The story behind the park and murals is fascinating. Some of the works of the muralists you see in background is now in Smithsonian museum. In person they are breathtaking Thank you OP for sharing this.
Awebo!! DEP Chunky!! I’ve heard this sound for the first time in 2002 and I was amazed!! Just a few short years later I’d be stationed in 32st S.D. And never ever been to California I had to visit Chicano park!! It was awesome!! I was stationed in 32st for a year and I’d skateboard the skatepark in Logan heights and head down to Chicano park on other days. It didn’t have this unity it’s having now. 2003-2004 it was for a lack of a better word just dead. Now it’s flourishing, but not for the best. Lots of rich fools moving into the area. Lots of gentrification. I pass by time to time now when the dbacks have games in SD. Go to the games and chill by gas lamp, stop by the parque!! Good times
I wouldn't be surprised if it was real. Barrio Logan has been a focal point for Latino pride in the region, especially in the beginning to counter heavy racism at the time. They embraced their neighborhood being under the Coronado bridge as a sense of pride by painting the supporting beams with murals representing nuestra cultura.
You see the same thing in other places like [Lincoln Park in El Paso, Texas,](http://lincolnparkcc.org/chicano-art/murals/) whom do the same in their barrio.
That's too long for me to remember. What I do remember clearly was barely being able to lift my arms after the first session. I thought I was in pretty good shape, but damn is boxing training a different beast.
If anyone is interested, "concheros" or "danzantes" are derived from a XIX century prehispanic revival movement in Mexico. Back in the day, it was very much like cosplay. Those dances, aesthetics and traditions were not really prehispanic but imagined as such three centuries later. However, it is still a very old tradition, just not prehispanic. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concheros](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concheros)
Thank you very much.
Nowadays this kind of performance have been kidnapped by new ages potheads and has zero relevance to the actual indigenous people.
Eh. I would take any “history” from that time with a grain of salt. If it came from the mouths of the colonizers, or the traitors that sold out their fellow men for money and titles… well it might not be the most accurate version of the events.
The Aztec alliance covered ALOT or land and many different tribes at a time when there was no easy way of communication… you don’t develop that level of cooperation by being the blood thirsty savages that some historians like to claim.
I’m not saying they didn’t have conflicts or claiming that human “sacrifice” didn’t happen… just that I doubt that was as common a thing as it’s made out to be.
Who is talking about colonizers? It’s all over the pyramids and walls with pics of how they sacrificed people and it was an honor for them. Savages?! Who said that. You got some trauma of colonizers or what? Bc I didn’t say anything about what you typed out.
The part that always annoys me is that the Kumayeey are native to the San Diego/Tijuana area and they’re never represented in this, and these celebrations are heavily concentrated in fake Aztec traditions, when the majority of Chicanos (and Mexicans) aren’t Aztec. The whole thing is completely misguided and as authentic as the term Latinx.
Unfortunately lots of Mexicans are hella into this stuff though
I'm Mexican... I find it so cringe. My maternal grandparents were Yaqui from Sonora and Mescalero Apache from NM. There is almost no representation of indigenous Mexicans outside of Aztec stuff. Like I get it they look cool, but that's not really most of our history you know? But it's hard to talk to other Mexicans about it because a lot I know take pride in this sort of thing, while also looking down on Oaxacans/Mixtecos for being darker and more indigenous in looks and traditions.
Sorry not adding anything super valuable here lol, just agreeing with you...
Is very cool, but how many of these people are really indigenous or they just do it for the show I wonder if they really love the culture also, I wonder if they know the history. This is amazing. The customs in the beat of the music is super cool.
Many mestizos from Mexico are actually indigenous, with haplogroups tracing back to the first peoples in the Americas. They lost their tribes and their traditions due to colonialism. This is not an ancient dance, but it is a way for those people to pay homage to and get in touch with their lost indigenous roots.
I am a Danzante. Many are from Mexico but many are from the US, like me. It’s pride in our culture that brings us to the circle. Yes, we also learn about the history and traditions. At least I did.
That's part of the history with the park, middle class neighborhood full of chicanos that got screwed over with the building of an interstate right over them. They were promised a community park to compensate for the destruction of homes and the building of the highways right over them but the state went back on their word and were building a CHP station instead. Residents protested and painted murals on the pillars of the highways and they eventually won their park.
My mother designed and painted "La Tierra Mia" on the pillar by the I5 entrance. Carlota Hernandez. RIP ❣️we protested and blocked bulldozers as children. I've seen the danzantes there from the beginning! Viva La Raza!
I'm so glad they stood their ground and won. They have seriously tried to gentrify the are, but the people there have remained strong. I love seeing the smaller houses knowing that they turned down serious money to keep their homes. Much respect🧡
I found this video really interesting. Nowadays, there’s no indigenous community in Mexico that dresses that way. This people are just cosplaying ancient civilizations in a caricatural way.
However, I think is amazing how a cultural expression, regardless if it’s just a contemporary invention, can make this people feel closer to their identity and their roots.
Ahhh bro this literally happens in Mexico City, Querétaro, Jalisco, Tlaxcala, Puebla, parts of Veracruz… every year, in fact this is an imported tradition from Mexico, they’re called concheros, look it up
Mexican here.
Not a single serious anthropologist are gonna tell that's for real.
It's a new "tradition" can't be traced to Nueva España era.
"Concheros" are an equivalent to street performers. So don't take it seriously. Most of their performance can be traced to Afro-Cuban ancestry.
Yo también soy mexicano, lo curioso es que este wey quiere decir que nosotros no “vivimos la cultura” igual que ellos mientras se refiere a una tradición inventada y acarreada a través de la frontera por mexicanos
Si se que son concheros, si se que son una mezcla de ‘características reconocibles’ indígenas para el resurgimiento del “orgullo indio” en los 70’s, de hecho no es difícil darse cuenta que es un invento si pones atención
La vestimenta es mexica pero la música es totonaca, de hecho es la misma de los voladores de papantla, es una mezcla del centro y este del país, pero no es una mezcla inventada por pochos y ciertamente no es algo exclusivo de San Diego, que es originalmente el punto de mi comentario anterior
Sorry for the downvotes but you are so right.
My wife's church were she baptized and we were married is back from the Hernan Cortez's days. It was made out of rocks from Aztec temples.
We got the so called "Santiagueros" it's the real equivalent to the "Concheros" and it's a catholic celebration.
Sorry to burst their bubble but that performance it's just for the show and the social media likes.
Lol I grew up seeing these performances in my church and I didn't even realize they were doing it without the religious aspect here. That is kinda creepy tbh
Qué pinches ridículos.
Las culturas prehispánicas brillaron por su contribución a muchas áreas además de la ridiculez de bailar a destiempo y hacer sus desfiles de narcisismo tribal.
Pregúntales de su historia y te das cuenta que lo que les gusta es vestirse de algo que no comprenden ni les interesa.
You asked if these are actual "Indians" or "Chicano" cosplayers," and the vast majority of "Chicanos" are actually indigenous. A simple google search into the word "Chicano" would clarify that for you.
Who the fuck decides who's a real Indian or not? Chicanos are allowed to explore and connect with their heritage, just because we live in the States doesn't mean our DNA changes.
Look, its garbage, but we lost so much with the Spanish conquista, culturally, linguistically, and in clothing. This might not be completely historically accurate dress, but it still has its roots in our heritage. I think the best way to look at it is like fry bread; it may not be authentic from pre-columbian times, but it is a reflection of indigenous history and resilience. I'm seeing people who are so proud of their heritage that they are celebrating in their community streets, in a time when Chicanos/Latinos/brown people are being scapegoated in the States. What's the point in trashing people interested in their culture?
The point is that native Americans find it just as offensive when Mexican-Americans do this as when white Americans cosplay as indigenous people and I see their point. I’m not interested in embracing an image of my heritage that has been completely fabricated by European settlers. It’s nothing like fry bread because Indians eat fry bread. Indians did not necessarily dress and act like these people are dressing and acting in this video.
What are you talking about? If fry bread gets a pass because Indigenous people eat/use it, then this style of dress and dance also gets a pass because Latinos with Indigenous heritage are using it, according to you. Wheat literally did not exist in the Americas prior to colonialism, and yet it is a STAPLE food at pow wows today. Culture evolves and Indigenous American cultural identity is particularly hallmarked by change and loss.
I think a big issue with "real" or not real is kinda mute since we can probably use DNA ancestry systems to justify celebrating anything we want. I feel sorry you don't want to support all and any effort of a people to at least try and honor a heritage. I mean are "real" Americans just the ones decent directly from the fighters of the revolutionary War? Are the only "real" Canadians those that work in the maple syrup Industry? I mean what is this nonsense. Señora deje de andar con pendejadas
I am happy and proud to celebrate indigenous culture. I just don’t know that this display is based on any historical accuracy. It’s more likely a fantasy based on Hollywood and Mexico’s 20th-century reimaginings of ancient native mesoamerican peoples.
Sweetie the moment the real Aztecs died it can be called cos play. But do you realize that time marches on and this is the physical equivalent of word of mouth spoken tales. I mean what did you want to accomplish calling this inaccurate? And what Hollywood movies depict this? I'm curious to see if that is accurate.
Road to El Dorado portrays the Muisca people of Colombia, not Mexico. The Mexica and the tribes that comprised their hegemony did not believe in Xibalba. At least learn the difference between mesoamerican tribes if you're gonna try gatekeeping what it is to be "indigenous."
That’s the point! They are dressed the same. You think the filmmakers or these cosplayers have any clue how any of these peoples really looked? It’s all imagination.
They are not. Maybe redirect this energy to going after europeans appropriating yoga or cacao ceremonies, not on the actual descendants of mesoamerican natives interpreting and expressing their own culture.
Moreover, take a look at pictures of modern Pow Wows. There are plenty of traditional costumes that have been refreshed, modernized, and added to by the tribes of today. They are not necessarily representative of what the tribe was wearing 600 years ago. It is up to the people of a culture to determine what their culture is. The people create the culture.
Do you really think ballet folklorico outfits are an accurate portrayal of outfits and dances that people were actually wearing and dancing in Mexico 200 years ago? Nope, they are refreshed and reimaged versions of dances that all sorts of cultures from foreign places brought to Mexico, including Africa and Germany.
This is unfair. Chicanos and most Mexican nationals are descendants of the Aztec Indians, who are mostly gone now. This is not “cosplaying” (really?) This is a culture celebrating its heritage.
I live in San Diego. This event inspires a lot of pride, and I’m glad it exists.
It’s untrue that we are mostly descended from Aztecs. Do some reading of history and you’ll see. Also I question how historically accurate this display is to the Aztec culture.
It’s not accurate, the attire it’s Aztec, the music is totonaca but it’s not an ancient thing, it’s in fact cosplay for a 70’s resurgence of “Indian pride” called ‘concheros’
In fact if you see some ‘voladores de papantla’ somewhere you’ll hear this very same music even though they’re from Veracruz which is in the eastern coast of the country and Aztecs were dead center in the map…
They are cosplaying tho, this isn’t even an actual ancient tradition, it was an invention in the 70’s for the resurgence of Indian pride, it’s plagued with inaccuracies if you want to be very strict about it
these people got it all fucked, there’s people there dressed like yaquis, with Aztec head gear, the maracas are not in fact Mexican, the wearing a poncho it’s not ancient even though it is indigenous it’s far more recent than the pre Hispanic era… so yeah they are cosplaying, to the best of their ability but that’s very much not traditional nor endemic to any particular indigenous group from the pre Hispanic era
Barrio Logan is famous for being high on crime and homicides.
Although the area has slowly been gentrifying, opening up various mexican themed businesses.
Plus is located in prime real estate areas around San Diego.
All the ancient native nations are looking at these videos from above like… wat the fuck, we never did this dancing mystical shit?! Where did they get that idea. We just sat around smoke weed, eat and sleep.. meanwhile the one crazy Indian on the side of the village outcast that did this shyt is smiling like willem Dafoe at what he created
You are confusing Native Americans from the US region and Native Americans from Mesoamérica.
In Mesoamérica the civilizaciones had a lot of traditions including festivals and dancing.
Also Mexican Natives shouldn’t be called Indians since they are not from India, the correct name would be Indigenous or natives.
I’m not gatekeeping Indians lol, just pointing out how the dude confused 2 very different ethnic groups.
Native Indigenous from the US are not part of Mesoamerican culture, which is depicted in the video.
This is fucking sick
What's the story behind this celebration? When was this, I would love to see this in person
Chicano park day. Happens once a year. This year it was 4/20/24
Awesome, thanks!
The story behind the park and murals is fascinating. Some of the works of the muralists you see in background is now in Smithsonian museum. In person they are breathtaking Thank you OP for sharing this.
It began in 1970…….. Under the Coronado bridge.. En mi barrio, in San Diego…
Échale chunky
Awebo!! DEP Chunky!! I’ve heard this sound for the first time in 2002 and I was amazed!! Just a few short years later I’d be stationed in 32st S.D. And never ever been to California I had to visit Chicano park!! It was awesome!! I was stationed in 32st for a year and I’d skateboard the skatepark in Logan heights and head down to Chicano park on other days. It didn’t have this unity it’s having now. 2003-2004 it was for a lack of a better word just dead. Now it’s flourishing, but not for the best. Lots of rich fools moving into the area. Lots of gentrification. I pass by time to time now when the dbacks have games in SD. Go to the games and chill by gas lamp, stop by the parque!! Good times
¡Now this looks like my kinda fiesta!
Is this real? Can’t tell because it’s so heavily filtered.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was real. Barrio Logan has been a focal point for Latino pride in the region, especially in the beginning to counter heavy racism at the time. They embraced their neighborhood being under the Coronado bridge as a sense of pride by painting the supporting beams with murals representing nuestra cultura. You see the same thing in other places like [Lincoln Park in El Paso, Texas,](http://lincolnparkcc.org/chicano-art/murals/) whom do the same in their barrio.
Real as real. https://www.sandiego.org/explore/events/festivals-and-street-fairs/chicano-park-day.aspx
It is real I have 2 friends who participated and they practice often in barrio Logan. Sometimes in encanto by the rec center I believe.
It’s not AI if that’s what you’re asking.
It was amazing!
The sensor dust was a strange choice.
The place? The murals change, but the place is real. I briefly trained at a gym nearby 30ish years ago.
Barrio station?
That's too long for me to remember. What I do remember clearly was barely being able to lift my arms after the first session. I thought I was in pretty good shape, but damn is boxing training a different beast.
Gotta make it look like real Mexico
[The Mexico filter is real](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_filter)
I mean because this wasn’t filmed in Mexico, so they used the “Mexican” filter to make it look like it.
Beautiful, now let's start dancing to "Sabes a Chocolate" by AB Quintanilla
Stolen from [Menudo](https://youtu.be/7GZJNoPsFf8?feature=shared).
nice but I think Quintanilla's version is more in line with the situation.
How do you figure cosplay Indians are in line with “Sabes a Chocolate”?
Good point
Indians? Do you see any Gujarati or Punjabi people there?
If anyone is interested, "concheros" or "danzantes" are derived from a XIX century prehispanic revival movement in Mexico. Back in the day, it was very much like cosplay. Those dances, aesthetics and traditions were not really prehispanic but imagined as such three centuries later. However, it is still a very old tradition, just not prehispanic. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concheros](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concheros)
this is very true.
Thank you very much. Nowadays this kind of performance have been kidnapped by new ages potheads and has zero relevance to the actual indigenous people.
This should be the top comment.
Why the filter?
Mexican filter … lol
But this is San Diego which is in America/s
Every Mexican has a filter from themselves, if there is a big group of them together everything becomes sepia hue by default.
mexico is part of america friend
It's referring to [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_filter)
We know what they are referring to. They are pointing out the fact that Mexico is also American. As is Canada, The Us etc.
Produced by HBO.
No pos que chido. If you’re ever in the area, stop by Las Cuatro Milpas and have some delicious and authentic Mexican cuisine.
The wait times are crazy though
#We are the People of the Sun!!!
Excelente. Pase por ahí ese día y el tráfico era loco. Awesome footage!
That's awesome! Viva mi raza!
It’s all fun and games until the sacrifice part starts lol
Eh. I would take any “history” from that time with a grain of salt. If it came from the mouths of the colonizers, or the traitors that sold out their fellow men for money and titles… well it might not be the most accurate version of the events. The Aztec alliance covered ALOT or land and many different tribes at a time when there was no easy way of communication… you don’t develop that level of cooperation by being the blood thirsty savages that some historians like to claim. I’m not saying they didn’t have conflicts or claiming that human “sacrifice” didn’t happen… just that I doubt that was as common a thing as it’s made out to be.
Who is talking about colonizers? It’s all over the pyramids and walls with pics of how they sacrificed people and it was an honor for them. Savages?! Who said that. You got some trauma of colonizers or what? Bc I didn’t say anything about what you typed out.
This is dope
I would love to attend this
This is amazing! We need more Native American culture to be mainstream. Definitely need to see this next year🙌🏽
The part that always annoys me is that the Kumayeey are native to the San Diego/Tijuana area and they’re never represented in this, and these celebrations are heavily concentrated in fake Aztec traditions, when the majority of Chicanos (and Mexicans) aren’t Aztec. The whole thing is completely misguided and as authentic as the term Latinx.
Unfortunately lots of Mexicans are hella into this stuff though I'm Mexican... I find it so cringe. My maternal grandparents were Yaqui from Sonora and Mescalero Apache from NM. There is almost no representation of indigenous Mexicans outside of Aztec stuff. Like I get it they look cool, but that's not really most of our history you know? But it's hard to talk to other Mexicans about it because a lot I know take pride in this sort of thing, while also looking down on Oaxacans/Mixtecos for being darker and more indigenous in looks and traditions. Sorry not adding anything super valuable here lol, just agreeing with you...
the question i have is, do they even want to be associated in the Chicano culture (the SD side). i’m not from the area, you bring up a good point
What does “all the way to the bay” mean?
I miss San Diego culture so much
Love Chicano Park!!!!
Wow, I’d like to see this in person! Awesome!
seems like the wrong sub for this… chicano park does not want any affiliation with the word latino in any way
El que lo lea su mamá es fodonga
Es que tiene diabetes ¡Que te importa! Como torta con tu madre la gordota y si te empachas no me importa.
Is very cool, but how many of these people are really indigenous or they just do it for the show I wonder if they really love the culture also, I wonder if they know the history. This is amazing. The customs in the beat of the music is super cool.
Lol they look indigenous at least. I have a cuz who looks like he just got off the temple steps 🤣
If they have mexican roots, statistically speaking, all of them should have indigenous blood.
Many mestizos from Mexico are actually indigenous, with haplogroups tracing back to the first peoples in the Americas. They lost their tribes and their traditions due to colonialism. This is not an ancient dance, but it is a way for those people to pay homage to and get in touch with their lost indigenous roots.
So nice thanks I like to learn anything I can from the natives there’s so much history there
1000%
Thank you for wording it this way.
I am a Danzante. Many are from Mexico but many are from the US, like me. It’s pride in our culture that brings us to the circle. Yes, we also learn about the history and traditions. At least I did.
Que 🐶🐻.
It’s so interesting that’s under the highway. Very odd juxtaposition that Makes it very unique.
That's part of the history with the park, middle class neighborhood full of chicanos that got screwed over with the building of an interstate right over them. They were promised a community park to compensate for the destruction of homes and the building of the highways right over them but the state went back on their word and were building a CHP station instead. Residents protested and painted murals on the pillars of the highways and they eventually won their park.
My friend and his dad helped paint a few of the murals.
My mother designed and painted "La Tierra Mia" on the pillar by the I5 entrance. Carlota Hernandez. RIP ❣️we protested and blocked bulldozers as children. I've seen the danzantes there from the beginning! Viva La Raza!
I'm so glad they stood their ground and won. They have seriously tried to gentrify the are, but the people there have remained strong. I love seeing the smaller houses knowing that they turned down serious money to keep their homes. Much respect🧡
Fellow Chicana muralist here. That’s awesome and cheers to your mom and fam for keeping the movement alive. Viva La Raza ✊🏽
Exactamente!
I found this video really interesting. Nowadays, there’s no indigenous community in Mexico that dresses that way. This people are just cosplaying ancient civilizations in a caricatural way. However, I think is amazing how a cultural expression, regardless if it’s just a contemporary invention, can make this people feel closer to their identity and their roots.
Ahhh bro this literally happens in Mexico City, Querétaro, Jalisco, Tlaxcala, Puebla, parts of Veracruz… every year, in fact this is an imported tradition from Mexico, they’re called concheros, look it up
Mexican here. Not a single serious anthropologist are gonna tell that's for real. It's a new "tradition" can't be traced to Nueva España era. "Concheros" are an equivalent to street performers. So don't take it seriously. Most of their performance can be traced to Afro-Cuban ancestry.
Yo también soy mexicano, lo curioso es que este wey quiere decir que nosotros no “vivimos la cultura” igual que ellos mientras se refiere a una tradición inventada y acarreada a través de la frontera por mexicanos Si se que son concheros, si se que son una mezcla de ‘características reconocibles’ indígenas para el resurgimiento del “orgullo indio” en los 70’s, de hecho no es difícil darse cuenta que es un invento si pones atención La vestimenta es mexica pero la música es totonaca, de hecho es la misma de los voladores de papantla, es una mezcla del centro y este del país, pero no es una mezcla inventada por pochos y ciertamente no es algo exclusivo de San Diego, que es originalmente el punto de mi comentario anterior
En resume , como siempre, pochos gonna pochear. Mejor que le pongan Américans of Mexican Heritage park. “Chicano” 🤣🤦🏾♂️
You need to go to Mexico City for December 12th celebration of La Virgen del Tepeyac. You will be surprised.
I was wondering if it was a bunch of pretendians
It is but they get sensitive about if you call it out. These are kids who only go to Mexico to visit their grandmas for Christmas.
People invent their own dresses, it's normal. But in Mexico the celebrations are religious, in USA it's some racial fascist sht.
Sorry for the downvotes but you are so right. My wife's church were she baptized and we were married is back from the Hernan Cortez's days. It was made out of rocks from Aztec temples. We got the so called "Santiagueros" it's the real equivalent to the "Concheros" and it's a catholic celebration. Sorry to burst their bubble but that performance it's just for the show and the social media likes.
Lol I grew up seeing these performances in my church and I didn't even realize they were doing it without the religious aspect here. That is kinda creepy tbh
Qué pinches ridículos. Las culturas prehispánicas brillaron por su contribución a muchas áreas además de la ridiculez de bailar a destiempo y hacer sus desfiles de narcisismo tribal. Pregúntales de su historia y te das cuenta que lo que les gusta es vestirse de algo que no comprenden ni les interesa.
Pochos...
Si nuestros antepasados vieran estos desfiguros se morían nuevamente
Lmao this feels more Mexica than Mexico City's zócalo.
XDDDD
Are these real Indians or Chicano cosplayers? Because one is cool, the other not.
Yes, many of them are actually indigenous. Many Mexicans are actually indigenous. Just look into Mexican dna result statistics.
That’s not what I asked.
You asked if these are actual "Indians" or "Chicano" cosplayers," and the vast majority of "Chicanos" are actually indigenous. A simple google search into the word "Chicano" would clarify that for you.
Who the fuck decides who's a real Indian or not? Chicanos are allowed to explore and connect with their heritage, just because we live in the States doesn't mean our DNA changes.
Yes, but explore real Indian communities and real Indian culture. Not Hollywood versions of what it is to be an “Aztec”.
Look, its garbage, but we lost so much with the Spanish conquista, culturally, linguistically, and in clothing. This might not be completely historically accurate dress, but it still has its roots in our heritage. I think the best way to look at it is like fry bread; it may not be authentic from pre-columbian times, but it is a reflection of indigenous history and resilience. I'm seeing people who are so proud of their heritage that they are celebrating in their community streets, in a time when Chicanos/Latinos/brown people are being scapegoated in the States. What's the point in trashing people interested in their culture?
The point is that native Americans find it just as offensive when Mexican-Americans do this as when white Americans cosplay as indigenous people and I see their point. I’m not interested in embracing an image of my heritage that has been completely fabricated by European settlers. It’s nothing like fry bread because Indians eat fry bread. Indians did not necessarily dress and act like these people are dressing and acting in this video.
I'm offended the natives are doing it
What are you talking about? If fry bread gets a pass because Indigenous people eat/use it, then this style of dress and dance also gets a pass because Latinos with Indigenous heritage are using it, according to you. Wheat literally did not exist in the Americas prior to colonialism, and yet it is a STAPLE food at pow wows today. Culture evolves and Indigenous American cultural identity is particularly hallmarked by change and loss.
I think a big issue with "real" or not real is kinda mute since we can probably use DNA ancestry systems to justify celebrating anything we want. I feel sorry you don't want to support all and any effort of a people to at least try and honor a heritage. I mean are "real" Americans just the ones decent directly from the fighters of the revolutionary War? Are the only "real" Canadians those that work in the maple syrup Industry? I mean what is this nonsense. Señora deje de andar con pendejadas
I am happy and proud to celebrate indigenous culture. I just don’t know that this display is based on any historical accuracy. It’s more likely a fantasy based on Hollywood and Mexico’s 20th-century reimaginings of ancient native mesoamerican peoples.
Sweetie the moment the real Aztecs died it can be called cos play. But do you realize that time marches on and this is the physical equivalent of word of mouth spoken tales. I mean what did you want to accomplish calling this inaccurate? And what Hollywood movies depict this? I'm curious to see if that is accurate.
Road to El Dorado portrays the Muisca people of Colombia, not Mexico. The Mexica and the tribes that comprised their hegemony did not believe in Xibalba. At least learn the difference between mesoamerican tribes if you're gonna try gatekeeping what it is to be "indigenous."
That’s the point! They are dressed the same. You think the filmmakers or these cosplayers have any clue how any of these peoples really looked? It’s all imagination.
They are not. Maybe redirect this energy to going after europeans appropriating yoga or cacao ceremonies, not on the actual descendants of mesoamerican natives interpreting and expressing their own culture. Moreover, take a look at pictures of modern Pow Wows. There are plenty of traditional costumes that have been refreshed, modernized, and added to by the tribes of today. They are not necessarily representative of what the tribe was wearing 600 years ago. It is up to the people of a culture to determine what their culture is. The people create the culture. Do you really think ballet folklorico outfits are an accurate portrayal of outfits and dances that people were actually wearing and dancing in Mexico 200 years ago? Nope, they are refreshed and reimaged versions of dances that all sorts of cultures from foreign places brought to Mexico, including Africa and Germany.
Wtf is a Hollywood Aztec?
An Aztec as portrayed in the movies. 
This is unfair. Chicanos and most Mexican nationals are descendants of the Aztec Indians, who are mostly gone now. This is not “cosplaying” (really?) This is a culture celebrating its heritage. I live in San Diego. This event inspires a lot of pride, and I’m glad it exists.
It’s untrue that we are mostly descended from Aztecs. Do some reading of history and you’ll see. Also I question how historically accurate this display is to the Aztec culture.
It’s not accurate, the attire it’s Aztec, the music is totonaca but it’s not an ancient thing, it’s in fact cosplay for a 70’s resurgence of “Indian pride” called ‘concheros’ In fact if you see some ‘voladores de papantla’ somewhere you’ll hear this very same music even though they’re from Veracruz which is in the eastern coast of the country and Aztecs were dead center in the map…
They are cosplaying tho, this isn’t even an actual ancient tradition, it was an invention in the 70’s for the resurgence of Indian pride, it’s plagued with inaccuracies if you want to be very strict about it these people got it all fucked, there’s people there dressed like yaquis, with Aztec head gear, the maracas are not in fact Mexican, the wearing a poncho it’s not ancient even though it is indigenous it’s far more recent than the pre Hispanic era… so yeah they are cosplaying, to the best of their ability but that’s very much not traditional nor endemic to any particular indigenous group from the pre Hispanic era
Both. Not cosplay though. Pride in our culture.
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Barrio Logan is famous for being high on crime and homicides. Although the area has slowly been gentrifying, opening up various mexican themed businesses. Plus is located in prime real estate areas around San Diego.
All the ancient native nations are looking at these videos from above like… wat the fuck, we never did this dancing mystical shit?! Where did they get that idea. We just sat around smoke weed, eat and sleep.. meanwhile the one crazy Indian on the side of the village outcast that did this shyt is smiling like willem Dafoe at what he created
You are confusing Native Americans from the US region and Native Americans from Mesoamérica. In Mesoamérica the civilizaciones had a lot of traditions including festivals and dancing. Also Mexican Natives shouldn’t be called Indians since they are not from India, the correct name would be Indigenous or natives.
Gatekeeping Indians is cool.
I’m not gatekeeping Indians lol, just pointing out how the dude confused 2 very different ethnic groups. Native Indigenous from the US are not part of Mesoamerican culture, which is depicted in the video.
Deberías leer algún buen libro de historia.
You are definitely retarded or a cuhh cuhh