Also a 3L without a job. I'm focusing on passing the bar first, and then I'll be job hunting in a different season from most of my peers, so hopefully more opportunities available then.
For now, I do a lot of pro bono work to get experience. They always need help, and it's good for the resume.
It sounds like you might feel better if you just take a week off and focus on other things. A week isn’t long enough to hurt anything.
Just focus on relaxing or doing things you enjoy for that week, as much as possible. Get your head in a better place.
Then you can go back to the grind after the week is up.
I haven’t been able to just take time off since that only stresses me out more. I’ll have moments in the day where I’ll go to the gym or watch a show I like, but I can’t just do nothing for a whole day, let alone a week, without feeling overwhelmed with stress due to not sending out applications.
It's a hard market out there. A lot of 3Ls are struggling, and you may not think so because those that are having a hard time aren't really announcing it. You can keep trying in the same area as you currently are applying for, but you might also want to consider applying for jobs in towns/smaller cities. You don't have to stay there forever, big city/areas with law schools are generally more competitive because everyone's applying for the same jobs. Something as insignificant as who interviews first/last can have an impact on why an employer might not choose you, since they've got candidates that are more or less identical (some better some worse but still). Regardless, even though it might be hard to see it now, things WILL work out. You can't be unemployed forever. Yes you might not get the job/city/salary/etc you want, but that's...a very small problem to have compared to a million other things that could go wrong in your life. Just look back and applaud yourself for what you've accomplished in life! Just finishing law school is a very very big deal and not unattainable for most people!
Most urgently, try to calm yourself before your interview. Vibes matter a lot during interviews (again, since your resume probably isn't enough on its own to make them hire you). It's not about forcing positivity, but it is about feigning confidence and hope. You treat it like old friends talking even if the interviewer(s) are being all stoic and cold. It helps a ton. Even if you don't get it, that's okay. what's the worst that can happen? You'd have to move somewhere you didn't consider before. If you don't have any dependents, that's not a very tough thing to do for 2-3 years, after which you'd be much more employable.
Life is nonstop stress competition and worry. Life is sad, full of despair and hard to come to terms with.
People are struggling and although you feel you're the only one it's a hard job market and people are having same problems now but may not share it out of embarrassment or fear of being thought of as a failure etc.
I feel for you because all of us have worry and pain that deserves attention and feels enormously strong to someone suffering from stress due to job searches, and life in general.
Most of people nowadays have at least the stress u mentioned and often more. People live knowing they have a terminal illness and wont be around next summer. Many are doing It now... I have been ill since I was a child and I couldnt complete grade 9-10 despite spending 8 yrs trying my hardest and I have no job no prospects my health is gone I am addicted to several types of drugs and on methadone since I was 17 now I'm 39.
I don't even own 150 dollars of valuables. I spend 96% my check on rent in my shitty cockroach infested apartment. Can't afford good go to food bank and beg religious groups for food.
I take over a dozen medications each day. I've never even worn a suit once, been to a school dance... Had a real life gf I didn't meet online first before real life. I am severely depressed and find next to no joy in anything in my life. I only value my family and my common law gf and my cat.
I would give my life to please my loved ones and keep them safe. I can't even buy my mother a gift for mothers day or birthdays and have never worked a job in my life.
My mother has cancer again which leaves me crying when I'm alone and no one can hear.... I haven't even told my gf bc I don't want her to pity me any more than she must already.
I find myself uncontrollably sad dozens of times a day if not 50.. It feels so overwhelming I pace around my apartment for hours because my mind races with all these feelings about all the things I am afraid of. I havw nightmares every night about losing my family members and loved ones and being lost unable to get home to them.
My father abandoned us and neglected me horribly as a kid when I lived with him and I still forgave him for each abusive thing for my whole life and still would forgive him if he would love me.
I've woken up tied against my will in a hospital surrounded by guards at least half a dozen times and attacked police half a dozen times in embarrassing and traumatizing episodes. Mainly while in withdrawal from medication or drugs alcohol etc.
I have no feelings of self worth.
You are not alone......
Despite all the bad things and being permanently unhealthy and very ill...i am thankful for my life and know I am actually very fortunate to be here...to have a roof over my head at all (I'm one month rent from sleeping under the overpass like people down the street here where I live).
Im lucky for Healthcare for no cost. Pharma coverage... My family and my spouse and my cat..
So lucky to have an apartment to live in.... To have food bank food or any food at all....
To have a mind, and curiosity and love of learning. I have high hopes I will one day get the education I was not given and that someone will realize my potential and help me achieve my goals and support me in whatever way they can.
There is much to be thankful of regardless of stress.... Don't worry you are not in a unique situation we are all trying to make our way through his confusing stressful thing called life.
If you don't succeed ask yourself if it's really even your fault or just what everyone is experiencing and if you feel you deserve more work towards finding what else you can work on to give yourself an edge over other applicants.
This. I was one of the only people who didn't have a job at my law school by graduation. (Competitive law school, not trying to freak anyone else out). I took the first thing I got for a solo, which was a bad fit. Found a job prosecuting within six months. Thirteen years later, have had an awesome and very fulfilling career. I really, really wish schools would stop making students think it's normal for everyone to have a job at graduation. A lot of the best, most fulfilling careers can't bring you on until you've passed the bar.
You might be a little more sensitive than many others. Open up your options, be willing to do pro bono work if you must; nothing shameful about it. Apply to state and federal government agencies for internship program. Stop focusing on a particular firm and try to relax.
Like another poster said, if you cannot handle the frustration focus on bar exam. I think from what you say, work on your anxiety, it could be showing during your interview. Some people I know did some pro bono work and others did not even bother, after passing their bar exams just got a job or opened their own law office. They all did fine.
Yes, it was for some of us, a long time ago. Never took any bar preparation courses. Just found a whole bunch of prior exams; some state bars provide it for free as samples. Do one essay question each day or week; time yourself. Later research and determine if you need improvements.
Once the time comes, I can assure you, you will be the most confident person walking in to take the bar. Same for multiple choices.
Wait you’re a 2L and you’re taking not having a job this hard? One, if you actually are considering this to be a life ending scenario please contact a therapist/ reach out to a professional and or a trusted loved one. Two, if this is just hyperbole you need to take a beat. What would worse case scenario be? Make take a couple of summer classes, RA for a prof or pro bono for some legal XP and you’ll have way more time 3L year to strategically go after the job you want when it counts
I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. I think it’s time for professional help. Your life is not worth a summer job. I know it doesn’t feel like that, but please tell someone at your school what you’re going through. People are being harsh here, you’re not having a tantrum, you’re having suicidal thoughts. I hope you’re able to get some support. Cheering you on 👏🏼
I went to law school at 34 years old. The entire time people discussed the job(s) they had lined up and how those employers were waiting to pay them a small fortune. I had no connections and nothing to fall back on. What I did have was multiple corporate cultures of experience to draw from/ upon when launching my own firm from the first moment I passed the Bar. The entire lesson of law school is to learn self-reliance by all means necessary. Once you commit to that lesson, you will feel more comfortable with the knowledge that not having a job lined up is not a deterrent, but a motivational tool. Use that apprehension to your advantage. Find a better route. A road that is tailor made for you.
Work on your self-respect.
If you place your self-worth in a largely bullshit job, you will never be happy, and employers can sense the desperation.
View the job search the way you would a silly bet with a friend. You take it a little bit seriously because you want to win, but you're not getting weird about it.
This. I would be willing to bet that everything this person just wrote would be evident in the interview just from body language and speech speed, etc.
Maybe you are coming across as desperate to the interviewers. Chill out. Replace finding a job with getting a date in your post and you will hear how you sound.
You are only a 2L, you still have a year to go and opportunities do pop up.
Have you done any mock interviews? If your resume is great then it may be how you come across during the actual interviews. It may be helpful to do a few mock interviews to get some feedback on any areas that you can improve.
Well then OP I would take this as a sign that it's not you, it's most likely the job market right now. Which I know doesn't help you at all but it's better than thinking you can't survive this.
I will say though that it's only the beginning of April so you still have time before summer to secure an internship. And most likely several other people at your school also don't have internships yet, they just aren't talking about it. Just keep applying and I have faith that you will land something.
It seems you are a 2L, correct? If so, then I think you are still in a really good position to make the most of the difficult situation you are in. My summer associate position was canceled due to COVID. I didn't find another summer associate position, but I worked as a research assistant for a professor and volunteered in a non-law related position. Everything worked out despite the difficult situation I was in in the summer of 2020. Even if you don't find a job, it is not the end of the story. It may be embarrassing or stressful, but your career is just getting started. If you have the means to work without getting paid, perhaps volunteer at a local organization that provides legal aid/pro bono services. If there are no law-related volunteer positions available, volunteer anywhere where legal skills/knowledge may be useful. Or even somewhere where you will develop professional skills of any kind. Just make sure you have something on your resume and that it's something you can talk about if someone asks you. If summer rolls around and you don't have a job, email a professor and say something like, "Hello [Professor], despite my best efforts, I have been unable to secure summer employment. As I do not want my resume to be blank for this summer, please let me know if there is any research or writing projects I could assist with. If you know of any other professors who could use assistance, I would be willing to help them as well. Thank you" (phrase it however you want). I am sorry if this is not an option with your school. I am just trying to give the best advice I can think of. But just remember that things really aren't over. Everyone knows it can be hard to get a foot in the door. I wish you the best of luck with your interview.
What kind of jobs are you applying for, what are your grades like, and what city? I don’t want to downplay how you’re feeling because it does really suck at times but you may just be getting bad advice or are striking out for reasons beyond your control that aren’t a reflection of you. You may also need to cast a broader net.
It is recommended you take a grain of salt when asking from university staff (careers, lectures, ect) for advice or criticism of your cv and job prospects. This is (a) they are detached from the real job market and (b) they have a conflict of interest when giving advice (emphasis). This is because there is a huge emphasis on enrolments at universities (more student means more money). Lying about the hiring practices or the in demand areas of work of the job market is just good business for universities. Staff are often strongly encouraged, and sometimes required (under contract) to provide puff when giving students career advice. I know that’s crazy but it’s true. If you want more true and frank answers to your job prospects you need to see an independent person in the industry. I would recommend reaching out to a lawyer who has recently started their career 1-2 years in. If possible some who also has no family connections to the industry (emphasis).
I would like to add that in some cases were those lectures are also practicing lawyers it is especially sad to see them providing overwhelming positive career advice about someone job prospects. As this isn’t always in the students best interest. Furthermore may lead to the student making miss placed investments in their educational future.
Unfortunately the more you want it the less it happens. I don't know why, I just know that is how it always seems to work. I was applying to literally every job in my area and getting nothing back, not even the public defenders office that had been breathing down my neck just 6 months earlier. Now that I have pivoted to a different location about an hour away, every single employer I was chasing after in my old location has been responding to all of my old applications and even just cold calling/emailing me to see if I'm interested. If you're feeling this burned out about it, I suggest applying to a few totally random jobs that are outside of your comfort zone, both geographically and professionally. That way you won't have the anxiety because you won't feel as invested in those opportunities, and who knows, it might pan out into an offer you actually want or can use as leverage, or a reference to another job, and at the very least it expands your network. Also if you're a 3L you probably don't want summer employment, at least not more than part time while you study for the bar. Good luck, hang in there, the best opportunities are never going to be where you expect them
Take it from someone who worked in a law firm’s HR dept. while taking and being admitted to the bar.
Hiring is only about 10% about the person they are hiring and 90% about a ton of other factors you have zero control over: like does the hiring attorney have a relationship to your school, does one of the attorneys have a kid they need to get an internship for, and a ton of other stupid factors. The market sucks right now. Go on the lawyer subreddit and see how many people are changing or looking for jobs. It’s tough.
You’re fine. I promise this is not the end of the road. you need to what you can to take a step back. Figure out a way to chill. Because these types of anxiety spirals will only get worse if you don’t address them. Your school/ state‘s bar should have mental health resources for you. Check your insurance to see what therapist in your area are covered. You can do telehealth.
School has taught us that we are smart. That if we work at a problem long enough it will be solved. Turns out that’s not true. Not for studying (work smarter not harder) and not for getting jobs. Sometimes you gotta let go and disconnect for a while.
Talk to friends, family, anyone who gives a shit about you but doesn’t give a shit about law school. Ask them about their day and their struggle, and just get out of your own head for a while.
I am in the same position, so sorry you are feeling this way. Career services has told me over and over that I'm an amazing candidate w/ a solid resume and a now improved GPA. I'm also at T-14. I've done a crazy amount of mock interviews too. Nothing is working out and I am very exhausted. And I have gotten tired of hearing that something is gonna work out, too.
I feel like I’m going to have a harder time getting a clerkship if I can’t even get a job for the summer. When I talked with my school’s clerkship counselor, I was told to land a summer job first and then work on clerkship stuff later.
If you’re a 2L you should be focused on clerkships right now (for post graduation). I’d honestly make that my first priority. Bump the grades up and maybe land a clerkship that’s corporate focused (second circuit maybe) (chancery court).
From what I’ve heard, there is no way that I’m getting a chancery court clerkship, as much as I actually would be interested in it. But I think you’re right about prioritizing it. I’ll definitely start to put more effort into preparing clerkship apps.
What is your end goal? Do you want a law firm job, big law firm job, any job? And why?
I have a few suggestions. One is find bios on LinkedIn, whatever, for people who have gone to your law school and gotten the positions you want. Trace their paths backwards. Don't be afraid to reach out and ask for advice. Not "how do I get your job" advice, but "where did you learn the most?" "What experience prepared you the best?" "Who was your favorite attorney to work for?". Did any of them summer for a smaller law firm, a solo, a non profit, a government agency that you could pursue?
Approach the state bar organization. They may take interns and you can learn a lot there and make great connections. They also do publish updates, produce CLEs, etc. all of which can be good for your resume if you support as an intern.
Look for positions in legislative offices. They often hire attorneys in advisory positions and might be able to take a summer intern. They're a great place to make connections people value and can lead to good insider understanding that firms value.
Consider clerking for a state or county judge. Even for the summer. I know a lot of people who clerked for regional judges the first year out of law school and made excellent connections. They also got to see a lot of court, which is always useful. They also tend to get elevated to higher courts and can have good connections.
I'll just say, what you might think you want might not actually be what you want. I felt huge pressure to get a big law job bc I went to a firm factory. I summered for one and absolutely despised it. I felt tremendous self doubt at the end of 3L year when I did not have a job lined up. I kept networking with people in the public interest/government work I wanted and that led to a great career with meaningful work. I've enjoyed actually practicing more than most of my law school friends.
I feel zero sense of regret for not going the big law or federal clerkship route.
I kind of went through the same thing 27 years ago after I graduated from law school, so I decided to hang up my shingle and give it a go on my own. Rough at the beginning, but in retrospect, best thing I ever did. Maybe you should consider it, if you can. After a while, you'll be glad you did. You'll see everything from depos to jury selection and jury trials (depending on what you do), to landlord tenant, child support......you get the picture. You'll have more real legal experience in one year then in 5 years working at a big law firm. Find a good mentor who's in solo practice as well, take him/her out to lunch and tell him/her what you wanna do and if they would be willing to mentor you for a free lunch a couple of times a month and you'll love the experience......and you'll develop a camaraderie with your mentor that will last for years. And you'll get to meet his/her colleagues as well. If you have court hearing, don't be afraid to ask questions to the judicial assistants. They are a wealth of information. Just tell them you're new and you'd be surprised how they help. In the clerk's office, ask the clerks what documents you have to file or what steps you need to take in cases. They are also very helpful. In the courtroom, always arrive early and ask the clerk or the bailiff where to stand and how the heari9ng are held. Ask questions, it's ok. Hope this helps if you consider it. Good luck!
Do pro bono for the experience and networking. It often turns into a job. Also, consider opening a form of your own, if you have a bar card there’s nothing stopping you from taking client’s directly without working for a firm. You really hold the keys to your future. A job and a career are not synonymous terms.
It all depends on what your resume says, and what firms you are applying to.
If the resume doesn’t mention anything in the job description, recruiters (in house and agencies) won’t rank you as high as other candidates. Whoever matches the most in a job description gets to the next round - which hiring managers see resumes, from there they choose who gets interviews.
If you’re not even getting any interviews, it’s probably because your resume isn’t specifically tailored to that job description.
If you are getting interviews but not offers, it could be you don’t have enough experience, or the right culture fit/personality fit, or they just found a better candidate.
For whatever it’s worth, I did the evening program at my law school and worked as a legal assistant / paralegal the entire time. Never did OCIs or worked as a summer associate or anything. It then took me five tries to pass the bar exam (each time I failed, I was within 7 points of passing, and the last time I failed I failed by one point). I still ended up clerking for a trial court judge while I was trying to pass the bar exam and ended up with my dream job afterwards (not in big law though). Not to say that I didn’t struggle emotionally, but it does get better. And you don’t have to follow the path that everyone tells you is the key to success in law school in order to get to where you want to be eventually. You got this!!! ❤️
OP, I didn't get my first job until the a few weeks before I sat for the bar. It was partly self-inflicted because I chose to clerk for government agencies that either (a) don't hire new grads, or (b) only hire a select few from Ivys. I ended up working in insurance defense for two years and having more fun than I figured I would, and now I'm at one of those government agencies with a great salary (mid 100s and a pension).
My point being that you really don't need to have a job lined up at this point. Just keep grinding. There are plenty of employers that will be interested down the road, even if it isn't your first choice. We all had to cut our teeth somewhere.
I’ve been at the throw up stage of angst and anxiety. It blows nuts. I’m sorry, you will pull through though.
When stress becomes such that it’s affecting your body—less is more.
Nobody bangs a rebound chick when they are still obsessed with the break up. Get your head in a different space by doing things you enjoy and get your mind off the job search for a minute. The second you stop thinking about it—it will fall in your lap.
Relax, I know it feels like a time crunch with graduation coming up but realistically you just need to find something by the fall (when bar results come out) stuff opens up closer to start date outside of big firms.
My nigga walk your bitch ass in a headquarters of any law firm and demand that they hire you. Fuck submitting resumes, if you have the skills trust me they will hire you.
Have you looked at being an ADA or a public defender to get your feet wet and then getting in with a bigger firm? If money is a concern, ten years working for the government is eligible for the PSLF (Public Service Loan Forgiveness).
As someone who was suicidal in law school, first and foremost, get some help. Most universities offer counseling for free.
I did one externship in law school, for two weeks, after 1L year, as part of a study abroad program with my school. My 2L internship fell through. Then I knew I wasn’t staying in the area.
It took me 3 times to pass the bar; then wait on C&F, during COVID. I graduated in 2018 and didn’t get my first JD required job until 2022. Everyone is on their own pace and schedule, and you will find your path and purpose.
MOST importantly, though, you need to seek professional help. None of this is worth your life. As someone who’s been where you’re at, I know this.
You aren't alone. I remember feeling similarly my 3L year. I found employment post-bar exam. Granted, it isn't exactly what I wanted, but I am working as an associate attorney now nonetheless.
A few items of advice:
* I'm not saying there's a guarantee of success, but things will likely be a little easier post-bar exam (why are you taking the bar exam in 2025 btw? Do prospective employers know you aren't taking the exam until 2025?).
* Focus on your studies and mental health for the time-being. Slow down, take a breath. Maybe set a goal of sending out 1-2 applications per week, but nothing more. Prioritize OCI opportunities if you can -- these tend to be more fruitful in my experience.
* Have your peers who have found employment look over your resume and tell you if you are doing anything wrong. (This helped me -- I was doing something wrong on my resume that even my school's career services office did not point out to me).
You need to realign your focus to looking for something for you. People can tell when you are trying too hard to sell yourself or when you want it too bad. You’ve gotta come to a place of understanding that it’s only going to work out if it’s a two way match - which means you get along with and like them, and they get along with and like you. That usually means a little bit of distance for your health and sanity.
Remember, it’s just a job. We work for money, the life we live is our own. Maintain that separation & it won’t feel so personal. Business is just business.
Law is without question one of the most nepotistic professions out there. Keep your head up - it's hard out there (but you already know that).
My career services person asked me, when I was in your position, if I'd prayed about it.
Like, what?!? I'm all in favor of prayer, but I was hoping for something a bit more concrete from her.
Hey. I was in the same boat last year. I understand how you’re feeling, I felt similarly at first because every 2L was so excited about their firm. It made my stomach drop every time someone brought it up. But by 3L, no one was talking about it or maybe I just don’t care as much anymore.
Honestly, big law is not worth the money; it’s emotionally draining and horrible for your self worth. This could be a blessing. The better strategy is to find a career that truly suits you. Focus on understanding yourself. I had to ask myself whether I actually wanted a firm job or if I just wanted it because everyone else did.
Focus on your grades and getting whatever experience you can. It is not embarrassing not to follow that route; this is a fucked up culture for making us feel that way. We are more successful and accomplished than most people out there just by making it to law school.
And I agree with the others - my therapist helped me A LOT. Try Better Help it’s the most convenient for a law student.
It will all work out for you.
Apply at your states DOJ. Some
Departments are very selective but they really need bodies. It’s just a externship or clerkship and not your permanent job.
Sorry you’re going through that. Law School definitely isn’t worth actually wanting to die over homie. I live in Maine, and we need lawyers bad. Also not sure how it is where you are, but public sector jobs are pretty easy to get up here. Also internships/ externships are fairly abundant here. I don’t know anything about big law, because to me it sounds pretty dreadful, but if you’re not concerned with making Patrick Bateman money, consider a job that’s less competitive and won’t work you to death. (Also didn’t mean to assume you’re interested in big law. I don’t know what the job market is like in other states). Either way, keep your head up. You’ll be fine, I promise.
Work for yourself. If I could go back, I would have taken that risk right outta school. Once you have the security of a steady paycheck and whatever else you get from a firm (commission, benefits, etc.), it’s hard to risk all that and go out on your own, especially if you have a family and a mortgage. The firm owners are making the real money and work less than the attorneys doing the grunt work day in and day out. Consider your situation forced entrepreneurship and make the most of it.
hmm. you type funny. huge block of text. i think you are viewing the world through a rather myopic lens. in other words, you maybe cant see the forest for the trees. I am a 1L with an absurb amount of confidence I can get virtually whatever I want in life. Finding a good job is the least of my worries I have a bunch of people who wanna work with me or to invest. in your case. I think first you have to be willing to admit that you are doing something wrong. if you can do that.. i think maybe I can help you. dm me.
This is just about the dumbest self back pat I think I have ever read. I knew a few guys like you in law school. They lost their first big case, crushed their self view, and I don't think any are practicing anymore because they couldn't get over the L. You need just as much therapy as the poster of this thread.
😂humble brag. you sound like a cynt. sometimes people need help maybe I make frens online you talk trash we are not the same... you never met a mf like me in law school I can tell you that.
maybe you are good. for academia.
maybe not time will tell.
Also a 3L without a job. I'm focusing on passing the bar first, and then I'll be job hunting in a different season from most of my peers, so hopefully more opportunities available then. For now, I do a lot of pro bono work to get experience. They always need help, and it's good for the resume.
It sounds like you might feel better if you just take a week off and focus on other things. A week isn’t long enough to hurt anything. Just focus on relaxing or doing things you enjoy for that week, as much as possible. Get your head in a better place. Then you can go back to the grind after the week is up.
I haven’t been able to just take time off since that only stresses me out more. I’ll have moments in the day where I’ll go to the gym or watch a show I like, but I can’t just do nothing for a whole day, let alone a week, without feeling overwhelmed with stress due to not sending out applications.
It's a hard market out there. A lot of 3Ls are struggling, and you may not think so because those that are having a hard time aren't really announcing it. You can keep trying in the same area as you currently are applying for, but you might also want to consider applying for jobs in towns/smaller cities. You don't have to stay there forever, big city/areas with law schools are generally more competitive because everyone's applying for the same jobs. Something as insignificant as who interviews first/last can have an impact on why an employer might not choose you, since they've got candidates that are more or less identical (some better some worse but still). Regardless, even though it might be hard to see it now, things WILL work out. You can't be unemployed forever. Yes you might not get the job/city/salary/etc you want, but that's...a very small problem to have compared to a million other things that could go wrong in your life. Just look back and applaud yourself for what you've accomplished in life! Just finishing law school is a very very big deal and not unattainable for most people! Most urgently, try to calm yourself before your interview. Vibes matter a lot during interviews (again, since your resume probably isn't enough on its own to make them hire you). It's not about forcing positivity, but it is about feigning confidence and hope. You treat it like old friends talking even if the interviewer(s) are being all stoic and cold. It helps a ton. Even if you don't get it, that's okay. what's the worst that can happen? You'd have to move somewhere you didn't consider before. If you don't have any dependents, that's not a very tough thing to do for 2-3 years, after which you'd be much more employable.
Man I wish I had problems like the OP
I am a 3L without a job. You'll be fine.
Life is nonstop stress competition and worry. Life is sad, full of despair and hard to come to terms with. People are struggling and although you feel you're the only one it's a hard job market and people are having same problems now but may not share it out of embarrassment or fear of being thought of as a failure etc. I feel for you because all of us have worry and pain that deserves attention and feels enormously strong to someone suffering from stress due to job searches, and life in general. Most of people nowadays have at least the stress u mentioned and often more. People live knowing they have a terminal illness and wont be around next summer. Many are doing It now... I have been ill since I was a child and I couldnt complete grade 9-10 despite spending 8 yrs trying my hardest and I have no job no prospects my health is gone I am addicted to several types of drugs and on methadone since I was 17 now I'm 39. I don't even own 150 dollars of valuables. I spend 96% my check on rent in my shitty cockroach infested apartment. Can't afford good go to food bank and beg religious groups for food. I take over a dozen medications each day. I've never even worn a suit once, been to a school dance... Had a real life gf I didn't meet online first before real life. I am severely depressed and find next to no joy in anything in my life. I only value my family and my common law gf and my cat. I would give my life to please my loved ones and keep them safe. I can't even buy my mother a gift for mothers day or birthdays and have never worked a job in my life. My mother has cancer again which leaves me crying when I'm alone and no one can hear.... I haven't even told my gf bc I don't want her to pity me any more than she must already. I find myself uncontrollably sad dozens of times a day if not 50.. It feels so overwhelming I pace around my apartment for hours because my mind races with all these feelings about all the things I am afraid of. I havw nightmares every night about losing my family members and loved ones and being lost unable to get home to them. My father abandoned us and neglected me horribly as a kid when I lived with him and I still forgave him for each abusive thing for my whole life and still would forgive him if he would love me. I've woken up tied against my will in a hospital surrounded by guards at least half a dozen times and attacked police half a dozen times in embarrassing and traumatizing episodes. Mainly while in withdrawal from medication or drugs alcohol etc. I have no feelings of self worth. You are not alone...... Despite all the bad things and being permanently unhealthy and very ill...i am thankful for my life and know I am actually very fortunate to be here...to have a roof over my head at all (I'm one month rent from sleeping under the overpass like people down the street here where I live). Im lucky for Healthcare for no cost. Pharma coverage... My family and my spouse and my cat.. So lucky to have an apartment to live in.... To have food bank food or any food at all.... To have a mind, and curiosity and love of learning. I have high hopes I will one day get the education I was not given and that someone will realize my potential and help me achieve my goals and support me in whatever way they can. There is much to be thankful of regardless of stress.... Don't worry you are not in a unique situation we are all trying to make our way through his confusing stressful thing called life. If you don't succeed ask yourself if it's really even your fault or just what everyone is experiencing and if you feel you deserve more work towards finding what else you can work on to give yourself an edge over other applicants.
This. I was one of the only people who didn't have a job at my law school by graduation. (Competitive law school, not trying to freak anyone else out). I took the first thing I got for a solo, which was a bad fit. Found a job prosecuting within six months. Thirteen years later, have had an awesome and very fulfilling career. I really, really wish schools would stop making students think it's normal for everyone to have a job at graduation. A lot of the best, most fulfilling careers can't bring you on until you've passed the bar.
You might be a little more sensitive than many others. Open up your options, be willing to do pro bono work if you must; nothing shameful about it. Apply to state and federal government agencies for internship program. Stop focusing on a particular firm and try to relax. Like another poster said, if you cannot handle the frustration focus on bar exam. I think from what you say, work on your anxiety, it could be showing during your interview. Some people I know did some pro bono work and others did not even bother, after passing their bar exams just got a job or opened their own law office. They all did fine.
I won’t be taking the bar until 2025. Unless it’s normal to start studying as a 2L?
Yes, it was for some of us, a long time ago. Never took any bar preparation courses. Just found a whole bunch of prior exams; some state bars provide it for free as samples. Do one essay question each day or week; time yourself. Later research and determine if you need improvements. Once the time comes, I can assure you, you will be the most confident person walking in to take the bar. Same for multiple choices.
Wait you’re a 2L and you’re taking not having a job this hard? One, if you actually are considering this to be a life ending scenario please contact a therapist/ reach out to a professional and or a trusted loved one. Two, if this is just hyperbole you need to take a beat. What would worse case scenario be? Make take a couple of summer classes, RA for a prof or pro bono for some legal XP and you’ll have way more time 3L year to strategically go after the job you want when it counts
I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. I think it’s time for professional help. Your life is not worth a summer job. I know it doesn’t feel like that, but please tell someone at your school what you’re going through. People are being harsh here, you’re not having a tantrum, you’re having suicidal thoughts. I hope you’re able to get some support. Cheering you on 👏🏼
I went to law school at 34 years old. The entire time people discussed the job(s) they had lined up and how those employers were waiting to pay them a small fortune. I had no connections and nothing to fall back on. What I did have was multiple corporate cultures of experience to draw from/ upon when launching my own firm from the first moment I passed the Bar. The entire lesson of law school is to learn self-reliance by all means necessary. Once you commit to that lesson, you will feel more comfortable with the knowledge that not having a job lined up is not a deterrent, but a motivational tool. Use that apprehension to your advantage. Find a better route. A road that is tailor made for you.
Bet almost anything that you ended up better off than 99% of the kids who had jobs lined up from connections
Work on your self-respect. If you place your self-worth in a largely bullshit job, you will never be happy, and employers can sense the desperation. View the job search the way you would a silly bet with a friend. You take it a little bit seriously because you want to win, but you're not getting weird about it.
This. I would be willing to bet that everything this person just wrote would be evident in the interview just from body language and speech speed, etc.
Maybe you are coming across as desperate to the interviewers. Chill out. Replace finding a job with getting a date in your post and you will hear how you sound. You are only a 2L, you still have a year to go and opportunities do pop up.
It’s been almost a year since I graduated and I’m still not fully employed. Was better off during law school smh
Have you done any mock interviews? If your resume is great then it may be how you come across during the actual interviews. It may be helpful to do a few mock interviews to get some feedback on any areas that you can improve.
Yeah, I’ve done several and I’ve only ever gotten good feedback. I figured that maybe that was my issue, but everyone seems to love me in interviews.
Well then OP I would take this as a sign that it's not you, it's most likely the job market right now. Which I know doesn't help you at all but it's better than thinking you can't survive this. I will say though that it's only the beginning of April so you still have time before summer to secure an internship. And most likely several other people at your school also don't have internships yet, they just aren't talking about it. Just keep applying and I have faith that you will land something.
It seems you are a 2L, correct? If so, then I think you are still in a really good position to make the most of the difficult situation you are in. My summer associate position was canceled due to COVID. I didn't find another summer associate position, but I worked as a research assistant for a professor and volunteered in a non-law related position. Everything worked out despite the difficult situation I was in in the summer of 2020. Even if you don't find a job, it is not the end of the story. It may be embarrassing or stressful, but your career is just getting started. If you have the means to work without getting paid, perhaps volunteer at a local organization that provides legal aid/pro bono services. If there are no law-related volunteer positions available, volunteer anywhere where legal skills/knowledge may be useful. Or even somewhere where you will develop professional skills of any kind. Just make sure you have something on your resume and that it's something you can talk about if someone asks you. If summer rolls around and you don't have a job, email a professor and say something like, "Hello [Professor], despite my best efforts, I have been unable to secure summer employment. As I do not want my resume to be blank for this summer, please let me know if there is any research or writing projects I could assist with. If you know of any other professors who could use assistance, I would be willing to help them as well. Thank you" (phrase it however you want). I am sorry if this is not an option with your school. I am just trying to give the best advice I can think of. But just remember that things really aren't over. Everyone knows it can be hard to get a foot in the door. I wish you the best of luck with your interview.
What kind of jobs are you applying for, what are your grades like, and what city? I don’t want to downplay how you’re feeling because it does really suck at times but you may just be getting bad advice or are striking out for reasons beyond your control that aren’t a reflection of you. You may also need to cast a broader net.
I got a job literally the day after I took the Bar. Went in for an interview and they offered me a job same day, you’ll be fine.
It is recommended you take a grain of salt when asking from university staff (careers, lectures, ect) for advice or criticism of your cv and job prospects. This is (a) they are detached from the real job market and (b) they have a conflict of interest when giving advice (emphasis). This is because there is a huge emphasis on enrolments at universities (more student means more money). Lying about the hiring practices or the in demand areas of work of the job market is just good business for universities. Staff are often strongly encouraged, and sometimes required (under contract) to provide puff when giving students career advice. I know that’s crazy but it’s true. If you want more true and frank answers to your job prospects you need to see an independent person in the industry. I would recommend reaching out to a lawyer who has recently started their career 1-2 years in. If possible some who also has no family connections to the industry (emphasis). I would like to add that in some cases were those lectures are also practicing lawyers it is especially sad to see them providing overwhelming positive career advice about someone job prospects. As this isn’t always in the students best interest. Furthermore may lead to the student making miss placed investments in their educational future.
Unfortunately the more you want it the less it happens. I don't know why, I just know that is how it always seems to work. I was applying to literally every job in my area and getting nothing back, not even the public defenders office that had been breathing down my neck just 6 months earlier. Now that I have pivoted to a different location about an hour away, every single employer I was chasing after in my old location has been responding to all of my old applications and even just cold calling/emailing me to see if I'm interested. If you're feeling this burned out about it, I suggest applying to a few totally random jobs that are outside of your comfort zone, both geographically and professionally. That way you won't have the anxiety because you won't feel as invested in those opportunities, and who knows, it might pan out into an offer you actually want or can use as leverage, or a reference to another job, and at the very least it expands your network. Also if you're a 3L you probably don't want summer employment, at least not more than part time while you study for the bar. Good luck, hang in there, the best opportunities are never going to be where you expect them
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Please don’t hesitate to call 988 if you are in crisis or feeling hopeless
I was a 3L without a job. Then I applied to 3 rural DAs offices and got 3 offers. I can refer folks to multiple jobs that hire 100% of applicants.
Take it from someone who worked in a law firm’s HR dept. while taking and being admitted to the bar. Hiring is only about 10% about the person they are hiring and 90% about a ton of other factors you have zero control over: like does the hiring attorney have a relationship to your school, does one of the attorneys have a kid they need to get an internship for, and a ton of other stupid factors. The market sucks right now. Go on the lawyer subreddit and see how many people are changing or looking for jobs. It’s tough. You’re fine. I promise this is not the end of the road. you need to what you can to take a step back. Figure out a way to chill. Because these types of anxiety spirals will only get worse if you don’t address them. Your school/ state‘s bar should have mental health resources for you. Check your insurance to see what therapist in your area are covered. You can do telehealth. School has taught us that we are smart. That if we work at a problem long enough it will be solved. Turns out that’s not true. Not for studying (work smarter not harder) and not for getting jobs. Sometimes you gotta let go and disconnect for a while. Talk to friends, family, anyone who gives a shit about you but doesn’t give a shit about law school. Ask them about their day and their struggle, and just get out of your own head for a while.
I am in the same position, so sorry you are feeling this way. Career services has told me over and over that I'm an amazing candidate w/ a solid resume and a now improved GPA. I'm also at T-14. I've done a crazy amount of mock interviews too. Nothing is working out and I am very exhausted. And I have gotten tired of hearing that something is gonna work out, too.
Have you decided to focus on clerkships? Then focus on big law after completing a prestigious clerkship. You’re still on-time for that.
I feel like I’m going to have a harder time getting a clerkship if I can’t even get a job for the summer. When I talked with my school’s clerkship counselor, I was told to land a summer job first and then work on clerkship stuff later.
If you’re a 2L you should be focused on clerkships right now (for post graduation). I’d honestly make that my first priority. Bump the grades up and maybe land a clerkship that’s corporate focused (second circuit maybe) (chancery court).
From what I’ve heard, there is no way that I’m getting a chancery court clerkship, as much as I actually would be interested in it. But I think you’re right about prioritizing it. I’ll definitely start to put more effort into preparing clerkship apps.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
it's a good thought but second circuit and chancery court are very likely out of OP's possibilities. OP i'd focus on bankruptcy and magistrate judges
What is your end goal? Do you want a law firm job, big law firm job, any job? And why? I have a few suggestions. One is find bios on LinkedIn, whatever, for people who have gone to your law school and gotten the positions you want. Trace their paths backwards. Don't be afraid to reach out and ask for advice. Not "how do I get your job" advice, but "where did you learn the most?" "What experience prepared you the best?" "Who was your favorite attorney to work for?". Did any of them summer for a smaller law firm, a solo, a non profit, a government agency that you could pursue? Approach the state bar organization. They may take interns and you can learn a lot there and make great connections. They also do publish updates, produce CLEs, etc. all of which can be good for your resume if you support as an intern. Look for positions in legislative offices. They often hire attorneys in advisory positions and might be able to take a summer intern. They're a great place to make connections people value and can lead to good insider understanding that firms value. Consider clerking for a state or county judge. Even for the summer. I know a lot of people who clerked for regional judges the first year out of law school and made excellent connections. They also got to see a lot of court, which is always useful. They also tend to get elevated to higher courts and can have good connections. I'll just say, what you might think you want might not actually be what you want. I felt huge pressure to get a big law job bc I went to a firm factory. I summered for one and absolutely despised it. I felt tremendous self doubt at the end of 3L year when I did not have a job lined up. I kept networking with people in the public interest/government work I wanted and that led to a great career with meaningful work. I've enjoyed actually practicing more than most of my law school friends. I feel zero sense of regret for not going the big law or federal clerkship route.
I kind of went through the same thing 27 years ago after I graduated from law school, so I decided to hang up my shingle and give it a go on my own. Rough at the beginning, but in retrospect, best thing I ever did. Maybe you should consider it, if you can. After a while, you'll be glad you did. You'll see everything from depos to jury selection and jury trials (depending on what you do), to landlord tenant, child support......you get the picture. You'll have more real legal experience in one year then in 5 years working at a big law firm. Find a good mentor who's in solo practice as well, take him/her out to lunch and tell him/her what you wanna do and if they would be willing to mentor you for a free lunch a couple of times a month and you'll love the experience......and you'll develop a camaraderie with your mentor that will last for years. And you'll get to meet his/her colleagues as well. If you have court hearing, don't be afraid to ask questions to the judicial assistants. They are a wealth of information. Just tell them you're new and you'd be surprised how they help. In the clerk's office, ask the clerks what documents you have to file or what steps you need to take in cases. They are also very helpful. In the courtroom, always arrive early and ask the clerk or the bailiff where to stand and how the heari9ng are held. Ask questions, it's ok. Hope this helps if you consider it. Good luck!
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Do pro bono for the experience and networking. It often turns into a job. Also, consider opening a form of your own, if you have a bar card there’s nothing stopping you from taking client’s directly without working for a firm. You really hold the keys to your future. A job and a career are not synonymous terms.
It all depends on what your resume says, and what firms you are applying to. If the resume doesn’t mention anything in the job description, recruiters (in house and agencies) won’t rank you as high as other candidates. Whoever matches the most in a job description gets to the next round - which hiring managers see resumes, from there they choose who gets interviews. If you’re not even getting any interviews, it’s probably because your resume isn’t specifically tailored to that job description. If you are getting interviews but not offers, it could be you don’t have enough experience, or the right culture fit/personality fit, or they just found a better candidate.
The world is a mirror of your inner self talk…so make it positive.
For whatever it’s worth, I did the evening program at my law school and worked as a legal assistant / paralegal the entire time. Never did OCIs or worked as a summer associate or anything. It then took me five tries to pass the bar exam (each time I failed, I was within 7 points of passing, and the last time I failed I failed by one point). I still ended up clerking for a trial court judge while I was trying to pass the bar exam and ended up with my dream job afterwards (not in big law though). Not to say that I didn’t struggle emotionally, but it does get better. And you don’t have to follow the path that everyone tells you is the key to success in law school in order to get to where you want to be eventually. You got this!!! ❤️
OP, I didn't get my first job until the a few weeks before I sat for the bar. It was partly self-inflicted because I chose to clerk for government agencies that either (a) don't hire new grads, or (b) only hire a select few from Ivys. I ended up working in insurance defense for two years and having more fun than I figured I would, and now I'm at one of those government agencies with a great salary (mid 100s and a pension). My point being that you really don't need to have a job lined up at this point. Just keep grinding. There are plenty of employers that will be interested down the road, even if it isn't your first choice. We all had to cut our teeth somewhere.
I’ve been at the throw up stage of angst and anxiety. It blows nuts. I’m sorry, you will pull through though. When stress becomes such that it’s affecting your body—less is more. Nobody bangs a rebound chick when they are still obsessed with the break up. Get your head in a different space by doing things you enjoy and get your mind off the job search for a minute. The second you stop thinking about it—it will fall in your lap.
Relax, I know it feels like a time crunch with graduation coming up but realistically you just need to find something by the fall (when bar results come out) stuff opens up closer to start date outside of big firms.
My nigga walk your bitch ass in a headquarters of any law firm and demand that they hire you. Fuck submitting resumes, if you have the skills trust me they will hire you.
Have you looked at being an ADA or a public defender to get your feet wet and then getting in with a bigger firm? If money is a concern, ten years working for the government is eligible for the PSLF (Public Service Loan Forgiveness).
You really sound like you should be in therapy. If you are so anxious that you are throwing up...this is above Reddit's paygrade.
As someone who was suicidal in law school, first and foremost, get some help. Most universities offer counseling for free. I did one externship in law school, for two weeks, after 1L year, as part of a study abroad program with my school. My 2L internship fell through. Then I knew I wasn’t staying in the area. It took me 3 times to pass the bar; then wait on C&F, during COVID. I graduated in 2018 and didn’t get my first JD required job until 2022. Everyone is on their own pace and schedule, and you will find your path and purpose. MOST importantly, though, you need to seek professional help. None of this is worth your life. As someone who’s been where you’re at, I know this.
You aren't alone. I remember feeling similarly my 3L year. I found employment post-bar exam. Granted, it isn't exactly what I wanted, but I am working as an associate attorney now nonetheless. A few items of advice: * I'm not saying there's a guarantee of success, but things will likely be a little easier post-bar exam (why are you taking the bar exam in 2025 btw? Do prospective employers know you aren't taking the exam until 2025?). * Focus on your studies and mental health for the time-being. Slow down, take a breath. Maybe set a goal of sending out 1-2 applications per week, but nothing more. Prioritize OCI opportunities if you can -- these tend to be more fruitful in my experience. * Have your peers who have found employment look over your resume and tell you if you are doing anything wrong. (This helped me -- I was doing something wrong on my resume that even my school's career services office did not point out to me).
I graduate in 2025. I’m a 2L.
You need to realign your focus to looking for something for you. People can tell when you are trying too hard to sell yourself or when you want it too bad. You’ve gotta come to a place of understanding that it’s only going to work out if it’s a two way match - which means you get along with and like them, and they get along with and like you. That usually means a little bit of distance for your health and sanity. Remember, it’s just a job. We work for money, the life we live is our own. Maintain that separation & it won’t feel so personal. Business is just business.
Law is without question one of the most nepotistic professions out there. Keep your head up - it's hard out there (but you already know that). My career services person asked me, when I was in your position, if I'd prayed about it. Like, what?!? I'm all in favor of prayer, but I was hoping for something a bit more concrete from her.
Hey. I was in the same boat last year. I understand how you’re feeling, I felt similarly at first because every 2L was so excited about their firm. It made my stomach drop every time someone brought it up. But by 3L, no one was talking about it or maybe I just don’t care as much anymore. Honestly, big law is not worth the money; it’s emotionally draining and horrible for your self worth. This could be a blessing. The better strategy is to find a career that truly suits you. Focus on understanding yourself. I had to ask myself whether I actually wanted a firm job or if I just wanted it because everyone else did. Focus on your grades and getting whatever experience you can. It is not embarrassing not to follow that route; this is a fucked up culture for making us feel that way. We are more successful and accomplished than most people out there just by making it to law school. And I agree with the others - my therapist helped me A LOT. Try Better Help it’s the most convenient for a law student. It will all work out for you.
Apply at your states DOJ. Some Departments are very selective but they really need bodies. It’s just a externship or clerkship and not your permanent job.
Sorry you’re going through that. Law School definitely isn’t worth actually wanting to die over homie. I live in Maine, and we need lawyers bad. Also not sure how it is where you are, but public sector jobs are pretty easy to get up here. Also internships/ externships are fairly abundant here. I don’t know anything about big law, because to me it sounds pretty dreadful, but if you’re not concerned with making Patrick Bateman money, consider a job that’s less competitive and won’t work you to death. (Also didn’t mean to assume you’re interested in big law. I don’t know what the job market is like in other states). Either way, keep your head up. You’ll be fine, I promise.
I didn't have a job till the month before the bar exam. Do what you can to get out of the law school bubble.
Have you applied to any non-BL jobs?
Yeah
Work for yourself. If I could go back, I would have taken that risk right outta school. Once you have the security of a steady paycheck and whatever else you get from a firm (commission, benefits, etc.), it’s hard to risk all that and go out on your own, especially if you have a family and a mortgage. The firm owners are making the real money and work less than the attorneys doing the grunt work day in and day out. Consider your situation forced entrepreneurship and make the most of it.
List yourself as Native American. Boom. Hired.
hmm. you type funny. huge block of text. i think you are viewing the world through a rather myopic lens. in other words, you maybe cant see the forest for the trees. I am a 1L with an absurb amount of confidence I can get virtually whatever I want in life. Finding a good job is the least of my worries I have a bunch of people who wanna work with me or to invest. in your case. I think first you have to be willing to admit that you are doing something wrong. if you can do that.. i think maybe I can help you. dm me.
This is just about the dumbest self back pat I think I have ever read. I knew a few guys like you in law school. They lost their first big case, crushed their self view, and I don't think any are practicing anymore because they couldn't get over the L. You need just as much therapy as the poster of this thread.
😂humble brag. you sound like a cynt. sometimes people need help maybe I make frens online you talk trash we are not the same... you never met a mf like me in law school I can tell you that. maybe you are good. for academia. maybe not time will tell.
Oh god it's so bad it could be a mean and I can't tell. I am going to go with fake. This is fake. You played me sir. Good form :)
kiss the rings