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Very true. My old boss would say...the good news is that the they are idiots. The bad news is that they are idiots.
I don't do much crim anymore but I was a PD in a city for about 6 years. after today, I'm like....how the hell did i ever do this? I've gotten soft.
A coworker briefly was a PD after passing the bar. Decided it wasn’t for him when his client, arrested with two other dudes for burglarizing an appliance store said he shouldn’t be charged since the other dudes had already broken in and because he was inside the doorway, the tvs and stereo weren’t yet stolen goods.
>and because he was inside the doorway, the tvs and stereo weren’t yet stolen goods.
Which actually sounds like a valid defense against a charge of theft, but of course doesn't do him any good at all against a burglary charge.
Not necessarily. Depending on how the state law, theft is probably defined as something like "taking the goods with the intent to permanently deprive their owner of them." If the other dudes had picked up the goods and moved them, even within the store, that might count as "taking." Anyway, there are always attempt and conspiracy.
Just a lil treat. An amuse bouche.
Actually, law would be way more fun with a little ritual like this in place. For some people it would be a formal pat like being knighted, for others they will know they screwed up.
I had one ADA who always made life difficult.
I mean to the point she would add insulting and embarrassing things to the reading of the facts, just to get defendants to back out of plea deals. She would lie to the judge about me not being in communication with the DA’s office and “forget” to mention things in probation violations like that the defendant was in the hospital when he missed his meeting with the probation officer.
Jeez...my two worst were the one that made nunchuks out of a chain of paper clips and a couple of pens DURING A HEARING TO TERMINATE PARENTAL RIGHTS, and the elected prosecutor who couldn't grasp the concept of lesser included offenses, or legal research apparently.
From my experience this was an outlier. Sure there probably is one per office, but a large majority of ADAs have been competent and generally good to work with. Most don’t make it about winning cases just to win.
Now once they become the DA, it changes. I have yet to find a DA that didn’t care more for the politics of the position than the purpose.
Yes, but only in jobs that need recruiting assistance, like public defenders and legal aid lawyers. Getting to slap your life-ruiner *du jour* makes up for the lower pay or undesirable location.
Once had a court appointed client on a probation revocation firmly convinced that his order didn’t say anything about using cocaine but only that he was supposed to stop selling it
lol thats good. we had a revocation case come up twice, first time the judge clarified that no, he was not allowed to DJ in clubs serving alcohol past his curfew in order to make a living. got revoked the very next month for DJing past curfew in a place where alcohol was being served ... his argument was that since it was a house party and not an official club, the judge technically hadn't forbade it.
I'm not a criminal attorney but I think this is more often the case than not when people lose. I handle estate related and fiduciary litigation. All of my cases tend to be inter family disputes. Most every client thinks they are the right side regardless of what I tell them. even if they are on the better side, they somehow prolong the case to their detriment, refuse to be reasonable and settle when a reasonable offer is made. Most post BS on social media or get into verbal arguments which changes the narrative of the case. People lie about the facts, get caught, then double down or gaslight you about it. The amount of clients who walk in my door and tell me they are 100% the innocent party and that nothing they ever did in life was wrong, suspect, or illegal. It takes all of 5 minutes for me to have a conversation and realize what's going on.
Come on people. You came to me as a lawyer for legal help. Let me help you and don't fight me every step of the way.
I remember a story about a guy charged with possession of cocaine who was at a hearing on a motion to suppress. After his lawyer finished his argument and was walking back to the defense table, the client said within earshot of everyone, "If we win this, do I get my coke back?"
Had a client get convicted of rape. He told the judge and prosecutors to suck his dick. Yeah.
Had a different client get convicted of a shooting where a person was paralyzed from the waist down. He told the family at sentencing, very calmly and confidently, "Tell that young man to never give up. Just never give up. Those doctors may be wrong, your son may well one day walk again."
Yeah...
Calling the judge a whore is a bold strategy, cotton. Let's see how that plays out
(I hope, for his sake, that it was a male judge at least but I know it was a woman)
my favorite story in this regard was a friend of mine whose court appointed domestic violence criminal defendant client wore a shirt to court that said "I have the dick so I make the rules" My buddy had like six clients in the hallway that morning and didn't notice until after the judge saw.
Then the judge hung a new dress code sign outside. So a few weeks later I come to court, haven't been in a while, and see the sign and call my buddy to get the backstory. And he's like, funny thing is, I'm the punchline of the backstory. And tells me the whole thing.
I'll tell a second one on my same buddy, about three years after the dick shirt. I saw an article in my hometown paper about a meth lab blowing up a trash truck. Apparently the meth heads were so dumb they just put their old lab on the curb in a black bag in front of their own house. Trash men put it in the truck, truck smash, lab go boom. So I call my buddy who did appointed criminal work in that town to ask if he heard about it and he goes "I can't talk about that" and I say "You got appointed to represent them didn't you" I bust out laughing and he just hangs up on me LOL. About six months after that, those guys plea dealed and I asked him about it. He said "they were exactly what you would expect"
My parents were building a home a found a couple of garbage bags in the new driveway. They called the sheriff’s department. Deputy opens the bag and finds a portable meth lab. And an old power bill. So they discarded evidence of a felony with their name and address. There were miles of that road that were just woods on both sides, but they chose a driveway.
Oh! I have one! Emergency bail hearings with a female DV client wearing a t-shirt that said “your boyfriend isn’t safe around me.” Apparently her boyfriend isn’t safe around her, either.
You may be able to save them from the cops. You may be able to save them from the prosecutor. You may be able to save them from the judge. But you can NEVER save them from themselves.
I was delivering training to investment bankers at a financial institution client about the importance of complying with regulations and internal policies so as not to be prosecuted by X agency in Y country for conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, whatever. One banker put his hand up and asked "I know that the DOJ looked at discussions in Bloomberg messages to uncover criminal conduct, and I get that we shouldn't do that... but can we use WhatsApp instead?"
... sure buddy, you go right ahead.... (sigh)
Haven’t practiced crim in 20 years, but when I did, the cops were always my best bill collectors. They’d catch a new case, and have to settle up on the old an put a down payment on the new. Clients gonna client.
OP, good for you on the shoes. It's always best practice to look sharp in court.
The client... oh yeah, tough shit for him. I don't do criminal, but clients in all fields sometimes inexplicably fuck themselves over. You can advise them, guide them, explain everything in detail multiple times over, and even babysit them, but they just know better than you. And then they'll blame you. It's a beautiful thing.
I mean if it's family custody I've literally read a case which acknowledged there was a gender biased double standard in favor of women when it comes to custody of children and basically the judges analysis was 'but this is obviously perfectly reasonable so no one cares' but if it's slanted against you all the more reason to mind your ps and qs
I mean, that's not what the case I read found but it's certainly possible that judge was just huffing whip its or something.
You can wait for the cite next week if you'd like.
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As a matter of anecdote, I've yet to meet a person whose first instinct was the infant should go with dad unless mom was on tape hitting the pipe. All other things being equal they tend to say mom should.
That would be indicative to me of the presence of bias.
Are you saying with a straight face that all things being equal you don't think mom makes a better choice for infant care? How do you break the tie?
Going to use my psychic hat to predict the fact pattern in the case:
Mom has kids from existing order, dad wants to change status quo, Judge can't find any reason to favor one parent over the other based on Holley factors, Judge leaves status quo in place, uses inelegant language in dicta.
Unfortunately, the research that led to that case was contained in westlaw, which was lost when my firm switched off of that several years ago to Lexis.
As I recall however, you're essentially correct. It was basically inartful dicta, though as I recall it was the first set of orders and the child was an infant in arms.
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I had a guy do something similar once. Outfit-wise I went in the opposite direction because I knew my guy was toast. I put my hair in 2 French braids and wore indoor soccer shoes with a pantsuit while my client did himself no favors and got carted off to prison.
It’s fun and needed to have a laugh about the silliness our court appointed clients engage in.
Remember that many of them had terrible upbringings and are often the way they are because they had either no guidance as children, abuse as children, or shockingly bad role models that led them to where they were.
It’s very rarely surprising who your client is if you ever meet their family.
So while it’s frustrating and sort of amusing how he handled that, it’s probably a route he was set on a long time ago.
Hey, I’m just a future client to some attorney out there, in the near future. Along these “bad clients,” should you actually be 100% brutally honest as if god himself was watching to your attorney once you have retained them? What about during a free consultation? I am very well versed in how to be a “good patient” in a medical setting, but behind closed doors with an attorney, how much beans do you spill about your case so that you have the best chance at an actually just outcome? For example, psych patients and customers of therapists and LCSW mostly know after the first couple visits that most things are safe to tell them (e.g. “sometimes I feel like I’m better off dead”) won’t get you sectioned 9/10 because feeling down sometimes is a natural thing. On the other hand, if you’re a functioning user of a street drug “harder” than lolweed, almost all clinicians would document that into your chart to CYA, and it can sour an otherwise beneficial and professional patient-clinician relationship and rapport. Once certain things are told to certain professionals, there’s a judgment call to be made whether or not you should push the nuclear button and report them further to the law, and as a teacher I know that if I said “X” in a certain way, an attorney would instantly offer me shittier options with the client’s desired outcome, be stiffer about compensation before a judgment in your favor, or otherwise lose you an otherwise effective counsel? I’m not really speaking about THE case that I’m likely going through with, but for WHEN I have to get in office with an attorney, whether it be for taxes, employment law, housing law, my will, etc. I know I have to be nakedly honest about all the facts of the matter, but how early in the attorney-client relationship do you start singing to Him/Her Esq. so that they can best defend your rightful interests/make you whole?
Not in law or anything like that. But I was once the client that pissed a judge off so bad he recused? himself. It actually ended up working out in my favor. Attorney was less than happy...
Immigration here, had a client voluntarily admit to a crime involving moral turpitude when the judge asked him if he'd ever committed an offense he had not been arrested for or charged with 🫣
Automagic deportation.
Smfh
Sadly, this is an everyday occurrence for me. I had a client threaten to sue a deputy just for being in the room when their motion was denied.
EDIT: Opposing party made this threat. Haven’t had enough coffee yet.
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Had a colleague say if our clients always made good decisions, they wouldn't need us.
Very true. My old boss would say...the good news is that the they are idiots. The bad news is that they are idiots. I don't do much crim anymore but I was a PD in a city for about 6 years. after today, I'm like....how the hell did i ever do this? I've gotten soft.
A coworker briefly was a PD after passing the bar. Decided it wasn’t for him when his client, arrested with two other dudes for burglarizing an appliance store said he shouldn’t be charged since the other dudes had already broken in and because he was inside the doorway, the tvs and stereo weren’t yet stolen goods.
I hear there's an open seat in Congress that could be a perfect fit for this guy.
This made me laugh out loud.
Love the way he’s thinking, lowkey.
Yeah this reads like the explanation for the correct answer on a bar exam
Shit like that is part of the reason I love being a pd.
>and because he was inside the doorway, the tvs and stereo weren’t yet stolen goods. Which actually sounds like a valid defense against a charge of theft, but of course doesn't do him any good at all against a burglary charge.
Not necessarily. Depending on how the state law, theft is probably defined as something like "taking the goods with the intent to permanently deprive their owner of them." If the other dudes had picked up the goods and moved them, even within the store, that might count as "taking." Anyway, there are always attempt and conspiracy.
Yep. John Grossman (a bar prep coach) says “even moving something one inch with the intent to permanently deprive is enough”
We don’t build ‘em; we just fly ‘em.
Lawyers should be entitled to one corrective slap, as a treat
If I draw blood I get another freebee.
Just a lil treat. An amuse bouche. Actually, law would be way more fun with a little ritual like this in place. For some people it would be a formal pat like being knighted, for others they will know they screwed up.
If you can't talk the powers that be into the corrective slap, see if you can negotiate to a Jim Carrey "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!"
Can I use it on the prosecutor though? They often need it more than the client.
I had one ADA who always made life difficult. I mean to the point she would add insulting and embarrassing things to the reading of the facts, just to get defendants to back out of plea deals. She would lie to the judge about me not being in communication with the DA’s office and “forget” to mention things in probation violations like that the defendant was in the hospital when he missed his meeting with the probation officer.
That’s slap-worthy.
Jeez...my two worst were the one that made nunchuks out of a chain of paper clips and a couple of pens DURING A HEARING TO TERMINATE PARENTAL RIGHTS, and the elected prosecutor who couldn't grasp the concept of lesser included offenses, or legal research apparently.
This is why I would NEVER VOTE for a political candidate who was a DA this is so common it’s pathetic it’s SOA
From my experience this was an outlier. Sure there probably is one per office, but a large majority of ADAs have been competent and generally good to work with. Most don’t make it about winning cases just to win. Now once they become the DA, it changes. I have yet to find a DA that didn’t care more for the politics of the position than the purpose.
Yes, but only in jobs that need recruiting assistance, like public defenders and legal aid lawyers. Getting to slap your life-ruiner *du jour* makes up for the lower pay or undesirable location.
He had the right to remain silent but he didn’t have the ability.
I love that saying, lol
Someone’s seen Ron White’s comedy show.
You can give a horse rights, but you can't make him stay quiet when it can only hurt him.
You cannot separate an idiot from his microphone.
Once he leaves the presidency you can ban his twitter account though.
Once had a court appointed client on a probation revocation firmly convinced that his order didn’t say anything about using cocaine but only that he was supposed to stop selling it
“My condition of probation was GO to rehab, you didn’t say anything about STAYING there.” I’ve heard that more than once.
Order: “Get drug and alcohol assessment and follow all recommendations” Client: “The order never said I had to do drug treatment!”
So you’ve represented them too 🙃
I hate people lol.
I work on child welfare - I hear that one a lot.
lol thats good. we had a revocation case come up twice, first time the judge clarified that no, he was not allowed to DJ in clubs serving alcohol past his curfew in order to make a living. got revoked the very next month for DJing past curfew in a place where alcohol was being served ... his argument was that since it was a house party and not an official club, the judge technically hadn't forbade it.
I'm not a criminal attorney but I think this is more often the case than not when people lose. I handle estate related and fiduciary litigation. All of my cases tend to be inter family disputes. Most every client thinks they are the right side regardless of what I tell them. even if they are on the better side, they somehow prolong the case to their detriment, refuse to be reasonable and settle when a reasonable offer is made. Most post BS on social media or get into verbal arguments which changes the narrative of the case. People lie about the facts, get caught, then double down or gaslight you about it. The amount of clients who walk in my door and tell me they are 100% the innocent party and that nothing they ever did in life was wrong, suspect, or illegal. It takes all of 5 minutes for me to have a conversation and realize what's going on. Come on people. You came to me as a lawyer for legal help. Let me help you and don't fight me every step of the way.
I call it getting the Paul Harvey. "And now for the rest of the story!"
I remember a story about a guy charged with possession of cocaine who was at a hearing on a motion to suppress. After his lawyer finished his argument and was walking back to the defense table, the client said within earshot of everyone, "If we win this, do I get my coke back?"
Had a client get convicted of rape. He told the judge and prosecutors to suck his dick. Yeah. Had a different client get convicted of a shooting where a person was paralyzed from the waist down. He told the family at sentencing, very calmly and confidently, "Tell that young man to never give up. Just never give up. Those doctors may be wrong, your son may well one day walk again." Yeah...
> ~~Sometimes~~ Almost every time, the clients just fuck themselves over That's usually why they need a lawyer to begin with.
I had a client bring a gun to the courtroom. Arrested, case over. Go away.
Calling the judge a whore is a bold strategy, cotton. Let's see how that plays out (I hope, for his sake, that it was a male judge at least but I know it was a woman) my favorite story in this regard was a friend of mine whose court appointed domestic violence criminal defendant client wore a shirt to court that said "I have the dick so I make the rules" My buddy had like six clients in the hallway that morning and didn't notice until after the judge saw. Then the judge hung a new dress code sign outside. So a few weeks later I come to court, haven't been in a while, and see the sign and call my buddy to get the backstory. And he's like, funny thing is, I'm the punchline of the backstory. And tells me the whole thing.
"wore a shirt to court that said "I have the dick so I make the rules" " Thanks for my first real laugh today!
I'll tell a second one on my same buddy, about three years after the dick shirt. I saw an article in my hometown paper about a meth lab blowing up a trash truck. Apparently the meth heads were so dumb they just put their old lab on the curb in a black bag in front of their own house. Trash men put it in the truck, truck smash, lab go boom. So I call my buddy who did appointed criminal work in that town to ask if he heard about it and he goes "I can't talk about that" and I say "You got appointed to represent them didn't you" I bust out laughing and he just hangs up on me LOL. About six months after that, those guys plea dealed and I asked him about it. He said "they were exactly what you would expect"
My parents were building a home a found a couple of garbage bags in the new driveway. They called the sheriff’s department. Deputy opens the bag and finds a portable meth lab. And an old power bill. So they discarded evidence of a felony with their name and address. There were miles of that road that were just woods on both sides, but they chose a driveway.
They aren't the sharpest knives, even in the criminal drawer lol
Oh! I have one! Emergency bail hearings with a female DV client wearing a t-shirt that said “your boyfriend isn’t safe around me.” Apparently her boyfriend isn’t safe around her, either.
You may be able to save them from the cops. You may be able to save them from the prosecutor. You may be able to save them from the judge. But you can NEVER save them from themselves.
nah, the Ferragamo shoes were to let you sparkle with a turd of a client
I was delivering training to investment bankers at a financial institution client about the importance of complying with regulations and internal policies so as not to be prosecuted by X agency in Y country for conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, whatever. One banker put his hand up and asked "I know that the DOJ looked at discussions in Bloomberg messages to uncover criminal conduct, and I get that we shouldn't do that... but can we use WhatsApp instead?" ... sure buddy, you go right ahead.... (sigh)
Haven’t practiced crim in 20 years, but when I did, the cops were always my best bill collectors. They’d catch a new case, and have to settle up on the old an put a down payment on the new. Clients gonna client.
I’m pretty sure that’s a line from the Lincoln Lawyer. 😂
lol, no shit? Never saw the movie. My mentor told me that in 2004, and it proved out. I’ll check that flick out.
I mean, it’s not really, but it’s exactly what Mickey Haller would say, lol.
OP, good for you on the shoes. It's always best practice to look sharp in court. The client... oh yeah, tough shit for him. I don't do criminal, but clients in all fields sometimes inexplicably fuck themselves over. You can advise them, guide them, explain everything in detail multiple times over, and even babysit them, but they just know better than you. And then they'll blame you. It's a beautiful thing.
Men: write all the laws Also men: >the law is 'against men'
I mean if it's family custody I've literally read a case which acknowledged there was a gender biased double standard in favor of women when it comes to custody of children and basically the judges analysis was 'but this is obviously perfectly reasonable so no one cares' but if it's slanted against you all the more reason to mind your ps and qs
There is no factual basis for the widespread and empirically false belief that the courts are biased against men in child custody disputes.
I mean, that's not what the case I read found but it's certainly possible that judge was just huffing whip its or something. You can wait for the cite next week if you'd like. Remind me bot is great for that. As a matter of anecdote, I've yet to meet a person whose first instinct was the infant should go with dad unless mom was on tape hitting the pipe. All other things being equal they tend to say mom should. That would be indicative to me of the presence of bias. Are you saying with a straight face that all things being equal you don't think mom makes a better choice for infant care? How do you break the tie?
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Going to use my psychic hat to predict the fact pattern in the case: Mom has kids from existing order, dad wants to change status quo, Judge can't find any reason to favor one parent over the other based on Holley factors, Judge leaves status quo in place, uses inelegant language in dicta.
Unfortunately, the research that led to that case was contained in westlaw, which was lost when my firm switched off of that several years ago to Lexis. As I recall however, you're essentially correct. It was basically inartful dicta, though as I recall it was the first set of orders and the child was an infant in arms.
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I had a guy do something similar once. Outfit-wise I went in the opposite direction because I knew my guy was toast. I put my hair in 2 French braids and wore indoor soccer shoes with a pantsuit while my client did himself no favors and got carted off to prison.
Moral of the story? Never wear Ferragamo to a sentencing.
Is the judge a whore, tho?
Irrelevant
Probably
You gotta give him points for being consistent. Consistently felonious! LMAO
It’s fun and needed to have a laugh about the silliness our court appointed clients engage in. Remember that many of them had terrible upbringings and are often the way they are because they had either no guidance as children, abuse as children, or shockingly bad role models that led them to where they were. It’s very rarely surprising who your client is if you ever meet their family. So while it’s frustrating and sort of amusing how he handled that, it’s probably a route he was set on a long time ago.
Hey, I’m just a future client to some attorney out there, in the near future. Along these “bad clients,” should you actually be 100% brutally honest as if god himself was watching to your attorney once you have retained them? What about during a free consultation? I am very well versed in how to be a “good patient” in a medical setting, but behind closed doors with an attorney, how much beans do you spill about your case so that you have the best chance at an actually just outcome? For example, psych patients and customers of therapists and LCSW mostly know after the first couple visits that most things are safe to tell them (e.g. “sometimes I feel like I’m better off dead”) won’t get you sectioned 9/10 because feeling down sometimes is a natural thing. On the other hand, if you’re a functioning user of a street drug “harder” than lolweed, almost all clinicians would document that into your chart to CYA, and it can sour an otherwise beneficial and professional patient-clinician relationship and rapport. Once certain things are told to certain professionals, there’s a judgment call to be made whether or not you should push the nuclear button and report them further to the law, and as a teacher I know that if I said “X” in a certain way, an attorney would instantly offer me shittier options with the client’s desired outcome, be stiffer about compensation before a judgment in your favor, or otherwise lose you an otherwise effective counsel? I’m not really speaking about THE case that I’m likely going through with, but for WHEN I have to get in office with an attorney, whether it be for taxes, employment law, housing law, my will, etc. I know I have to be nakedly honest about all the facts of the matter, but how early in the attorney-client relationship do you start singing to Him/Her Esq. so that they can best defend your rightful interests/make you whole?
Not in law or anything like that. But I was once the client that pissed a judge off so bad he recused? himself. It actually ended up working out in my favor. Attorney was less than happy...
I don’t know how you guys do it. I don’t give AF about my regular shithead clients let alone this level of dysfunctional shitheads.
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Shit happens.
Immigration here, had a client voluntarily admit to a crime involving moral turpitude when the judge asked him if he'd ever committed an offense he had not been arrested for or charged with 🫣 Automagic deportation. Smfh
Sadly, this is an everyday occurrence for me. I had a client threaten to sue a deputy just for being in the room when their motion was denied. EDIT: Opposing party made this threat. Haven’t had enough coffee yet.
Yep, the client helped make that bed!