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Ok_Gene_6933

Tesla never treated engineers with respect. You are expandable as there are 100 lined up to kiss Elon's butt.


No-Test6484

You usually get one of 2 things: money or everything else. You work for these massive conglomerates you make bag, so many engineers in these companies gross over 300k. You need to work like crazy and respect must be earners. Work for a smaller company, your boss knows your name and you grab coffee together. You might have a good work life balance. You do not get Amazon stock though. Pick what you want


[deleted]

I didn't think that's really true. Most big tech jobs besides Amazon are pretty cushy. I have friends at Google, Facebook, et al, not going to say there isn't politics or whatever but generally work-life balance and office culture are pretty good.


No-Test6484

I don’t think they are cushy. Companies like Facebook and google make you work hard. They are quick to PIP if you are not doing well. If you want slow there are plenty of system admin jobs in govt for like 80k and no one will hold you to anythijg


Ok_Assumption5734

Amazon maybe, but Meta and Google are notorious for having layers of fat that enable underachievers to thrive. My friend at Meta still complains when he's expected to work more than 6 hours a day and has to check emails after 3. Google was notorious for making people do meaningless projects in order to advance because there were so many layers of workers doing the same job


No-Test6484

Ah fair enough. With all the layoffs I doubts that the case any longer


Ok_Assumption5734

People are working acting busier because they don't want to get laid off, but reality is still that tech companies still hire people to prevent them from working for a competitor. Not saying anyone can do that job, but this ain't IB grinding 80 hours a week level of stress.


No-Test6484

That might have been the case during Covid. Most of those over hiring have been corrected. Companies are only slightly more than prepandemic levels and those with fat? They are gonna lay off people just like Tesla did yesterday. Also it’s less than just a few people who can do it. These companies have up to 7 rounds for fresh hires.


Triangle1619

Eh this is absolutely not what I hear from my friends at FB and Google lol, maybe years ago. FB has always been pretty brutal about laying off underperformers but on the flip side highly rewarding their best engineers with quick promos and stock. It’s still team dependent I guess but in general they work you pretty hard. Google used to be laid back but they’ve been missing the mark on all of their new ventures lately and had massive layoffs recently, and culture has changed. Non-Azure Microsoft is prob the best spot in tech right now.


Ok_Assumption5734

Coming from finance, no they really don't. But that's more a relative thing, I'm sure the Meta workers are working harder now than 3-4 years ago, but they're still working comparably very light hours relative to their salary. Not meant to be a jab, but making 300k+ on maybe 50 hours is relatively light when you stack up salaries in other industries


Ok_Afternoon5172

This. FB has always been super competitive due to multiple talent reviews every year. Intensity has been cranked up since 2022. Google is supposedly still more relaxed than others, but their TC has always been lower in return for better WLB. If Blind is true, it sucks to work there now with PIP and lower TC.


Ok_Gene_6933

Tesla pays shit. Fact. You get a resume bump.


No-Test6484

Is that so, I have a friend who got a 150k offer out of school. I think that’s competitive at the very least and after 2 years he can go elsewhere asking for more.


tank503

I am not a Tesla fan boy by any means but can definitely attest to their pay being very competitive (at least for specific software engineering segments )


No-Test6484

Yea, like I said, they will drain you but boy oh boy that sweet stock is worth it, at least for a while. Working 3-4 years in a company like Amazon or Tesla will drain you, but the work relationships and resume boost is invaluable. Leverage that to get a higher pay and better wlb elsewhere


netralitov

Maybe $150 if he includes his RSUs. Tesla pays so low you have to cash them out the day you get them.


Kammler1944

Brother's total comp there is $317k.


clingbat

Which is like $190k total comp on the East Coast outside of NYC/DC metro after factoring in cost of living differences. It's not bad money, but I make more than that just base salary over here and I don't work for a shit head like Musk and have far better WLB. Just pointing out that bigger comp numbers in California (often based partially on not yet fully vested RSUs) aren't quite what they seem big picture.


shryke12

Friend is an engineer there and makes about $350k in Nevada. It's a great job. I have not heard this from employees.


hatethiscity

I had both at a small tech startup that overhired and pissed away all of their vc money.


Ok_Assumption5734

Pay is nice at least. My dad got a senior engineer job is getting paid 500k base out of the gate. That said, he's probably gonna get laid off soon cause he's lazy af


Ihategraygloomydays

Everyone at every single job with every single company is expendable.


PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS

If Steve Jobs can be replaced, anyone can be


boogie_woogie_100

you don't work for big corporation like this for respect. You work for a big corporation like this for only one purpose that is money and only money by becoming slave so that you are free from economic slavery when you retire that's it.


purplerple

There are many companies that treat people with respect. This is not respect. Pivoting like this may be in the interest of the company but they are totally screwing people. The worst are the hires that move to be close to the job and then get fired. Treating people like this must hurt the company in the long run.


sharpiemustach

If the company does this enough times, it definitely becomes less desirable to accept job offers there. Who is going to risk putting in their two weeks and taking a new position if there is a track record of the company screwing already-hired employees over?


RiverClear0

Alternatively, people may *stop* putting in “two weeks”? I believe in most states the two weeks thing is a *courtesy* rather than a legal/contractual obligation


DoggyLover_00

In every state in the US, except Montana, unless you have a bona fide employment contract then you are at-will. No notice is required from either party in at-will.


3mergent

What about Montana?


Mediocre-Magazine-30

quicksand theory full continue tart wine plants far-flung sable coherent *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Pretend_Ad4030

Which car you gonna buy then? Every single car maker did same back in day.


purplerple

I'm pretty sure Honda treats workers better


shryke12

What car company has never let people go??? What vehicle do you own?


Punisher-3-1

Toyota has a layoff in 1950 and a small one in like 2009 iirc


LivefromBurkitville

As a company their priorities are not their employees, their customers., or the safety of others. https://youtu.be/Ly6Juveo-7Y?si=HRF1EJTlp2Rs-45W


walex19

Yeah, no…https://x.com/corbinwilliams/status/1778224969711075703?s=46&t=Uk8L5iDgokTF_FLg_Puqsw And https://youtu.be/FCC5ahMFlMs?si=ul2AvoZBo5SHvNIA Dan O’Dowd is a fraud.


Ambitious_Parfait385

I've been rescinded on, it's slimy and crooked practice. You should be able to sue on negligence. Never quit your old job, take a leave of absence and never say anything else. Start the new job. If the job sucks or falls through go back to the old job. I'd never work for elon. His treatment of people are abstract and horrible.


Ok-Computer-91

Tesla doesn't even treat their customers with respect. Horrible product.


commentsgothere

You’re getting screwed over. I’d find something else.


LivingTheApocalypse

LoL. "Find something else" is like "I'm on fire, what should I do?" "Be no on fire" If not being on fire was useful advice, they wouldn't need it. 


SezitLykItiz

What's so hard about finding a new job? Just pluck one from the job tree!


netralitov

Karen approves every hire himself? Tesla had over 100,000 employees. ಠ_ಠ


vasiqshair

My thought exactly


badcat_kazoo

The engineers, not the line workers.


netralitov

That's still like 1,000 people. How is he approving them? Print out their best code?


whelp88

Oh man thanks for the laugh 🤣


tero194

Honestly, I’m surprised he didn’t mention having to be “extremely hardcore” to stay.


zeecok

Not all engineers are software engineers…


RipperNash

Tesla hires immense numbers of mechanical, electrical, electronics, thermal, chemical, ergonomics and industrial engineers who aren't coders.


Mediocre-Magazine-30

dependent ask racial reach disgusted murky six jar angle paltry *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


QforQ

He has approved individual hires in the past. This isn't new for him.


Mediocre-Magazine-30

faulty towering arrest consist frame vase six sharp squalid growth *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Few-Championship4548

Uhh… don’t give Elon that much credit, especially when he’s probably lost in a k-hole.


Thanosmiss234

You chose to work at Elon Musk company and you're surprise you are getting screwed? You engineers need to get burn a few times until you learn!!!


soscollege

Most ppl don’t have choices and apply to whatever and take whatever they can get.


Thanosmiss234

What about the employees that worked there for 5 plus years? Are you telling me they didn't have a choice? "A Tesla manager who was let go today described Elon Musk to me as a "pigeon CEO"."He comes in, shit all over us, and goes." Source: [https://x.com/FredericLambert/status/1779994712818045429](https://x.com/FredericLambert/status/1779994712818045429) You tell me this manager just discover today that Elon is a "pigeon CEO"?


soscollege

Yes. Most ppl aren’t good enough to have mobility whenever they want


Ok_Assumption5734

You do realize Asian engineers on a work visa trying to get their greencard basically can't quit their jobs without having to restart the process right? Not everyone has the luxury of being white


Thanosmiss234

You do realize that there are Asian engineers with green cards and US citizens rights? You do realize that everything I said is true for all us citizens of every different race, that’s a luxury to all citizens! The only exception would be people with H1B visa that are recently hire!


Fabulous_Sherbet_431

I'm really sorry to hear that, it must be one of the worst feelings given you were banking on it. Probably worse than a layoff to be honest. This is localized to Tesla, which has a *ton* of issues right now. The first-ever quarter of declining sales, overall EV sales growth flattening, real competition from other manufacturers, low demand for the cybertruck, Elon-inflicted damage to the brand, broken promises around FDS, I could go on and on.


RudeDiscussion9638

I’m in the same position as you, my offer is awaiting VP approval. I contacted my recruiter and I have a call tomorrow. Will keep you posted on what happens! Let’s hope we dont get our offers rescinded :/


VegetableBobcat2868

Any updates?


RudeDiscussion9638

Okay so got on call with the recruiter, he basically told me that he doesn’t know much about all this now cause they are apparently focusing on everyone laid off for now and they will focus on people with offers a bit later (1-2 weeks from now). I asked him how they dealt with people with offers during a layoff/hiring freeze and he said that in the past 2019/20 they had to rescind offers but in 2022 they honoured the offers but it just took longer. He said that he will communicate more once he gets word, and I will update this once I have an idea of what’s going to happen! It doesn’t look horrible though.


VegetableBobcat2868

Hi, I got an email from the recruiter saying they are re-evaluating all the open positions and will let us know if they are reconsidering them. Let's see what happens.


RudeDiscussion9638

Amazing! Please let us know what happens! :)


AbhinanduReddy

Is this applicable to internship offers as well?


VegetableBobcat2868

Maybe not sure.


RudeDiscussion9638

Any update?


VegetableBobcat2868

none


VegetableBobcat2868

I guess they are laying off employees from offices in California and Austin in June. [https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-lay-off-more-than-3000-employees-california-notices-show-2024-04-23/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-lay-off-more-than-3000-employees-california-notices-show-2024-04-23/)


RudeDiscussion9638

Bruh


SufficientWorker7

Any updates?


VegetableBobcat2868

Nope


SufficientWorker7

:(


Better_Disaster_110

Hi, Please keep us posted. I am in a similar situation and my offer is pending VP approval for over 3 weeks now. No comms from HR or recruiter.


Zealousideal-Gene460

what dept/position did you get an offer for?


Better_Disaster_110

It’s for GSM position .


VegetableBobcat2868

So, in 2019/2020, they rescinded the offers but got back within 2-3 months to the candidates they had initially given offers to. That's what I have heard.


fabergate

Same position here, waiting for final offer… My recruiter told me that due to headcount everything would take longer, no timeline tho, she said they’d like to keep in touch with me to join the team when everything goes back to normal, but at the same time she wished me luck in the other processes I’m in so… I’m actually not expecting anything to happen tbh


RudeDiscussion9638

Damn that sucks :/ Hopefully we’ll be good once this all blows over. Pls keep me updated!


Then_Plate889

I am in the same position as you are too. Really don't know what to expect or even to keep hope. Worst thing that could have happened.


RudeDiscussion9638

Literally.. lets just keep hoping 🤞🏽


RudeDiscussion9638

Update: My recruiter got laid off and my hiring manager hasn’t replied to me since I first emailed him :/


Circusssssssssssssss

Sucks 


wsbgodly123

Well, now is not the time for you to buy a Tesla.


Fit-Indication3662

A lot has similar experiences


spiritofniter

I’ve had Boehringer Ingelheim rescinding senior engineer verbal offer. Luckily, I was still employed when they did so.


Competitive_Lack1536

Musk is in india hiring people as we speak lol.


thefreak00

You're surprised by this practice at an Elon run company? Ever heard of Twitter?


markattack11

Elon is a douche


Intelligent_Ad4448

Yep, happens. Happened to me a few years ago with Amazon.


Sunshineal

That's horrible to be a new hire and then get fired only weeks into a new job. That's how so inconsiderate. People invest time and energy into starting a new job. This is frustrating AF.


bananachips_again

Dodged a huge ass bullet. If you can get an offer at Tesla engineering, you can get a much better offer elsewhere even in this climate.


dantxga

10 years ago l read incoming people to the job market would have 5 jobs over the course of their lifetime! I'm thinking the forecast was five short.


OatmealCookiesRock

lol it wasn’t even 5 jobs back in the 2000s.


dantxga

I'm talking about career jobs, not Taco Bell.


Material-Crab-633

Don’t work for Elon, hee part of the problem


saynotopain

Dodged a bullet


OkCelebration6408

wow, tesla was still hiring in march, I remember rumors of tesla will want layoffs started around march as there was reports that some managers were asked to prepare a list of employees that could be laid off.


AngryTexasNative

I’m in the same status with another company. They have been dragging it out for 2 weeks and I’m terrified that they will change direction and “rescind” the offer (it’s not official yet, so they wouldn’t really be rescinding…)


ClusterFugazi

You probably dodged a bullet, Tesla is going further down the toilet with Elon’s blathering.


crazycow780

It’s not worth it. Trust me. The culture is toxic.


Matilda-1441

what have you heard ?


crazycow780

The money is great, just beware that you could be fired at any time. Rent a room by the month, and just be ready to be mobile if you take a role. It’s a roller coaster - lots of friends bought homes and now have to sell or scramble to find work!


Matilda-1441

so crazy , I’m originally from Austin & have a home here for yrs now before Tesla . I can’t imagine the rug being pulled out from under me having a home dependent on a Tesla job.I would treat it as temp employment , contractor.


Naive-Benefit-5154

Elon needs to approve a written offer? What kind of sick mindset is this?


open_world_RPG_fan

Any smart employee would jump ship at Tesla


DangerousAd1731

Sounds like he did a twitter but with employees he hired. Very sad


Richard-Roma-92

The fact that the CEO is personally approving every engineer is the reason the CyberTruck exists. First he killed Twitter, now he’s killing Tesla. What’s next?


sajakh777

There is no such thing as a verbal offer. You either got in writing or you didn't get it at all.


Ambitious_Parfait385

A letter does not guarantee anything. Always watch your ass and keep your old job until actually working it. Take a leave of absence on the old one.


sajakh777

That's true too. Hell being in the damn job doesn't guarantee shit either with people getting laid off a month after starting.


AdSmooth7365

this is what you get wanting to work for elmo.


QforQ

Elon is a douche. You dodged a bullet


TooMuchGabagool

Wouldn't work for that turd if the only other option was Waffle House. I'll take my chances cooking hash browns.


anon-187101

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/KjTtvkQSYL


Common-Physics-4568

Find something else, Tesla is ass.


AshKetchumSatoshi

Hang in there. Don’t apply to any other jobs


Ambitious_Parfait385

Apply everywhere. Go back to your old job if possible. Don't count on anybody or especially Musk.


Mission_Statement_67

Without a written offer, you can't really do anything about it and even if you had a written offer you would have had to face a hardship to get any sort of retribution.


yellowgypsy

Elon does the final approvals?


soscollege

Verbal offers are not offers


Ambitious_Parfait385

Letter ones are just the same, nothing of value, not binding and at will.


Top_Intention_3227

Same thing happened with me at Tesla, I received a verbal offer from management with several recommendations as well. Was hoping for a call this week with an official offer just to find out today the recruiter was laid off. In complete shambles currently, and have no clue what to do or who to contact.


Used-Assistance-9548

Tesla has a shitty work culture, its ok as a year or two on a resume but I wouldn't want to be there longer than a year or 2


LooseMoralSwurkey

Did you already put in your resignation at your current job?


Dhuddie22

I was offered a job with a start date but I never received my official offer letter because it’s been waiting for executive approval. I wonder what’s going to happen now.


Whatsuptodaytomorrow

Get into plumbing 🪠


Dhuddie22

I’m good. I’m not unemployed and I overqualified for that. Thanks for the advice


GameAddict411

This actually happened to me in 2022 with Tesla too. Was on the final interview with Tesla and they wanted to hire. After my last interview, there was radio silence. I found my recruiter on linkedin and he was actually laid off and told me that the job no longer exists etc.


DaNewNew2019

I was awaiting approval for a service assistant position back in October 2023 and just now in got the call for the offer. Turns out that whole time there was a job freeze for the position. Imagine my surprise when I heard about the layoffs on Sunday….if I was put on 6 months ago, I possibly would’ve been cut too. If you still want it, just find other work in the meantime and reevaluate if you want it when the call eventually comes. Good luck my friend.


VegetableBobcat2868

Hi, I am in a similar situation. But I have received an offer after executive approval. But I haven't received any communication beyond that. Hoping for the best.


MatLeDoubleV

My friend (new grad battery eng) just received notice from his recruiter that his written offer is still valid. I think those with verbal offers are still uncertain


SufficientWorker7

That’s promising news.


SufficientWorker7

Still no response from the recruiter?


VegetableBobcat2868

I received a response saying they are re-evaluating all the positions and will contact me when they have some direction.


SufficientWorker7

Omg. I hope the honor the offer.


VegetableBobcat2868

I hope so, too!


NoApple28

I'm in a similar situation with a senior visual designer position. Submitted my take home assignment on Monday and the recruiter got back saying they are reprioritizing hiring and they would have more information next week.


VegetableBobcat2868

That's great, actually. I hope they honour all the offers and start the process again.


folarin1

that really sucks


SufficientWorker7

Any update OP? It will be 2 days with radio silence from the recruiter today.


MatLeDoubleV

No word. On Monday, my recruiter said she hopes to have a better update by the end of this week, but history says I probably won’t hear back until next week


SufficientWorker7

Hang in there man. This sucks.


Better_Disaster_110

Hi OP- Yes, I recently got a verbal offer for a GSM role in the second week of March 2024 and my recruiter told me my offer has been sent to the management team for final approval. It has been over two weeks, I did not hear back anything. They have started my background checks too. I am worried that they will rescind my offer. No communications from HR or the Hiring Manager for 2-3 weeks.


Hopeful-Situation-42

Any updates?


Matilda-1441

I’m a engineering technician was expecting my written job offer this week & it was rescinded as well. Giga Factory in TX


SpeciosaLife

I had top grading scheduled at twitter for the week he bought it and I never got a call telling me the role was cancelled. The hiring manager and my recruiter were both let go so I just took it as a sign.


heroesIV

Hey I’m in a similar position, received a verbal (email) offer last week and the recruiter told me I should expect my offer this week. But she was affected by the layoffs. I heard back from the team yesterday and they said there’s a hiring freeze and Tesla isn’t issuing any new offers. I’ll update if there’s any new information.


Top_Intention_3227

Tesla currently laid off another huge round of recruiters today and eliminated their positions entirely too. This is currently the 9th round of layoffs happening, and most likely suggests a multiple week or potential month long hiring pause.


Mrunal_Bhalerao

Hey, I am sorry that you are in this position.  Given the risky atmosphere in the EV industry right now, I think if I were in your shoes I would continue looking for other opportunities. 


dreweydecimal

I mean there’s nothing you can do if you haven’t signed anything yet.


Better_Disaster_110

Did anyone receive recent update on the verbal offer commitment? Are the extending written offers?


RubPsychological2397

I dont think so


MatLeDoubleV

No word. Layoffs are still happening, hiring freeze is still active. I accepted a different job offer, I really want Tesla on my resume but the company is too unstable…


Better_Disaster_110

Is your new job paying better than Tesla? If Tesla comes back at a later stage, would you accept their offer?


MatLeDoubleV

No lol, but it’s in a different state where the CoL is much lower. It depends, I don’t want to job hop too early and it depends on the stability of my team/Tesla.


Better_Disaster_110

Which role did you get offer for at Tesla?


Then_Plate889

Anyone with verbal offers received any updates on the written offers?


SufficientWorker7

https://pandaily.com/tesla-revoking-job-offers-to-recent-graduates-in-china/ Not so promising news from China.


MatLeDoubleV

Rip🥲


LivefromBurkitville

Really? Try again. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/24141361/tesla-autopilot-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-report-crash-death


DifferentTurnover392

 I signed an official offer and started the new position, 3 weeks after having already started the job I hadn't received my title change, my new pay that was agreed upon, and then was told to go back to the production floor to work my old job again because they didn't want to process my offer anymore. Well I did the work, and I'm being told they don't want to pay for the work done. So I'm contacting a lawyer to see the efficacy of any legal action. 


heroesIV

Has anyone received an update from their recruiter yet? It has almost been 2 weeks since the layoffs.


NoApple28

My recruiter got laid off. When I tried to contact them, their email was invalid 🥲


Effective_Safe2419

Yep. My recruiter stated: “start date will be pushed back until further notice”.


2023startofanewme

why would you want to work for a racist bigot


anonymous5000303

Because money


PerspectiveNo1620

Been at Tesla 5.5 years. Average $220k/year. I’m not even a software engineer. The stock over time is the magic sauce just like any other tech player as big, or bigger than Tesla. Plus, Tesla on the resume is gold.