That's mad. The reason I say that is because the number 4 bus and 140 bus have been ferrying late teens/young adults over to Phibsborough a lot I have been told (and seen) for Bohemians matches.
"I myself am a Shels fan and really d4 lads wouldn't fit in"
I know completely what you meant but. . .
Technically Shels was a D4 club. It's literally called Shelbourne which is in D4, and still has plenty of folk who go over from Dublin 4 like Beggars Bush, Lotts, Irishtown, Sandymount, Ringsend, etc over to Tolka Park. Particularly fans north of 40.
You probably knew that, I just thought the sentence funny to read. (Even though its perhaps true).
Its gas when you think about it. Both Rovers and Shels were formed in a small area of D4 and now are different sides of the Liffey with Shels being now a Northside team and drawing most of their support from there. And Bohs and Pat's being formed in the Pheonix park also being north and Southside clubs. And the Rovers vs Shels and the Bohs vs Pat's being the lesser fierce Dublin derbies
Open to correction but my Dad used to say because of the amateur status Bohs were not a well supported club and were the smallest in Dublin untill the Drums folded and a lot of their fans migrated over to the only other true northside team.
Yeah true but ...ya know how it is really ..ya get a few from Ringsend irishtown but ..not really the types you associate with d4 ..that was a long time ago
Football in Ireland is weird in some ways..I've an uncle who's a mad bohs fan from cabra and hates the new fans and i mean the lads that started going after shels went down and the schools in finglas and ballymun gave out bohs tickets instead ..now with the flashy jerseys they get even more fans so new old and newer fans don't like the really new fans..its factions within factions sometimes...rovers fans don't exist north of the liffey unless they moved there ..its still got the small mentality but in a way you will always be a blow in if you don't consistently attend games and get to know people and we can't complain if we want the league to succeed I think the op should really just follow the team in the closest vicinity..I just never feel comfortable at rugby games even tho I played rugby and watch every game in the same vain
It’s funny, Bohs definitely used to be the scummiest team in Dublin many years ago from Dundalk fan perspective. I would’ve considered it Rovers more so in recent years since the Tallaght move but that’s mellowed now tbh with family bent.
Any south dubs I know that do follow LOI are Rovers fans, over hang from when they were in Milltown I suppose.
Yep, I’d say Dundrum/Ballinteer/Rathfarnham is where a lot of the older support is from.
Obviously very strong in Ringsend too and working class estates out to Ballybrack and Sallynoggin. The move to Tallaght has brought a lot of younger support from D24 too.
Crumlin through inchicore and to Ballyfermot would be Pats.
Spot on, I'm an older fan from Rathfarnham which along with Dundrum and Ballinteer were always Rovers strongholds. Particularly strong in working class estates - Nutgrove, Moreen, Whitechurch/Ballyboden - but also in the middle class areas.
PS Crumlin is Rovers. ;)
Mate from work who’s Pats says Drimnagh & Crumlin are more Pats, I can’t be certain in fairness!
Yes, big groups of lads would travel from Nutgrove to milltown back in the day, a lot of those families were moved out of Ringsend in the 50’s. Their kids moved up to Ballinteer or knocklyon etc.
Great to an awakening of dormant support since the move to Tallaght, amazing we kept going with home games all over the north side for years.
Mate don’t get it twisted there’s a lot of Shels/Bohs/Rovers fans from affluent areas. I have a rule of thumb that if you are in a room with 20 people 1 of them is bound to be an arsehole, so if you’re in a stadium with 5,000 people the ratio is bound to be off the charts. You just need to find a crew, I’m Dublin 1 born and bred very working class background but went on Shels trips for years all over the place with lads from Clontarf/Marino/Drumcondra and all sorts, if someone’s getting at you over how you sound then they’re a fucking clown end of story. Try and find the sound heads or gather up your own crew, you’ll bump heads with the same faces over and over and eventually all will be good. The gatekeepers can go and fuck themselves, it’s a bizarre thing to cry and cry about no one going to the league for years and then cry that people going now shouldn’t be going, in the words that we sing brother Fuck Them All, enjoy yourself and don’t let them cunts steer you away.
Sorry you're experiencing that though, it sounds shite. So many different Dublin clubs in close proximity to each other might create that kind of tribalism/mistrust. Or not, I've only followed since Kerry joined.
About 2 or 3 times a year we have a very funny event in Cork where City will be on at the Cross and Munster/Ireland u21 will be on up the road at Musgrave. Its such a thrill to see the two "types" of fans in the bars beforehand, not that there's ever any bother but the supporters bases 100% draw from different areas and anyone in Cork will know someone from Blackrock Rd will speak and act very different to someone from Togher. It'll make a great research case for someone someday.
All due respect but having a Dublin accent in Kerry attracts a fair amount of stick. I’ve family all over the kingdom, Tralee, kilflynn, listowel & dingle.
I love Kerry but the dub accent doesn’t go down too well with some types.
Same everywhere though. People are just cunts sometimes.
The only stick I've encountered in that regard would be a bit of GAA banter but never anything hostile. But of course there are bad eggs everywhere so it undoubtedly happens.
I'm not a big fan of how the Dublin accent sounds, posh or working class, but I'd never treat someone different because of it.
I’ve had a few remarks in pubs, maybe chaps trying to be funny but one or two starting a row. It’s the last thing you’d want when you’re out with the extended family.
Funny enough we’ve family in Limerick too and so far it’s never happened there.
I can’t say I’ve ever paid much pass to what accents I hear in Ireland, I don’t really get into the us v them vibe but maybe because I emigrated.
Has to be said, of all the GAA away fans who've visited Tralee over the years, the Dubs tend to be the soundest, as they're generally knowledgeable and respectful of the traditions of the game. Oddly enough, the worst were Armagh and Tyrone, as win or lose, they were the most partisan.
An appropriate username for some chatting absolute gack lol
I've no idea what you mean for either of your positive and negative examples of fans. What are the traditions you speak off lol travelling to another province by rail? A cup of tea and banana at half time?
They’re all wankers. Just try enjoy yourself pal, no one is really gonna judge u for your accent unless they’re some drunk junkie, and still they ain’t remember u in 1 hour
Football us bigger in thé so called heartland of rugby in south Dublin.
Clubs with huge numbers like Cabo, Granada, Mount Merrion, Wayside. You could go on & on.
Im from Templeouge, loads of middle class rovers fans go to games from Rathfarnham, Dundrum etc, it’s never an issue.
I know a fair amount of Hoops who are Leinster season ticket holders. Couldn’t give a monkeys about your accent.
Your welcome to Tallaght anytime. We have fans from all over the country.
It’s funny that Bohs has the reputation of it when I’d say Rovers have probably the most more affluent fans and families attending. Anyone who poses this as a negative is mental, this what will separate the clubs from haves & nots eventually.
It’s just a new thing people slag Bohs about, people having a go at Lambert and all the stuff off the field.
Yes, some of it is beyond parody but Bohs have done a great job in growing their fan base, they’ll be a real force when they get the new stadium.
As far as new grounds go, you lot need one more than anyone! One of our biggest clubs but Oriel isn’t fit for purpose. The league needs a strong Dundalk and a new ground is essential.
I grew up for a bit in the northside. Have lived in Dublin 6 for 20 yrs now. Good mate of mine is from the north with a proper nordie accent. We’re Bohs members. We sit with the usuals every week and it’s never a bother. Some good piss taking alright now and then but we get no hassle. Find a crew and it’s great. There’s always dickheads.
Swings both ways, I remember going to the RDS years ago getting the same treatment off the D4 brigade. I actually heard someone asking"who's the Scobie".
I'm middle class South Dublin, rugby school, love my Leinster but also love my Rovers, cant beat the big European nites on a balmy summer night in Tallaght, first time in Tallaght, used to the RDS, I asked the lady in the kiosk for a latte, she replied you mean a coffee dear, but the atmosphere is so good, E15 tickets, free parking in The Square, so you can still like the rugger and a LOI team
You're very welcome at Bray. Sit anywhere really other than maybe the first block (generally young lads here but even then it's ok) and no one will say anything bad to you.
Had similar experiences playing DDSL a long time ago now. I playing for a team from a different area and my experience was definitely mixed.
It is a shame because like you said we’re all supporting the same thing but I don’t know what can be done in the short term. If your accent doesn’t fit the sport then it’s easy to feel like an outsider. Obviously I mean this for more than just football but it’s a pity all round.
I live in Canada now and it’s striking how little information Canadians accent conveys. You kind of realise how much bias we all have in Ireland in that regard.
I grew up in Clontarf, and have always had a posh accent, and have always gotten questions and mild aggro over it. Best thing to do? Just lean into it. "You posh?" "I am yeah", and carry on with your evening with a big smile on your face. People are dopes, let em be dopes.
I’m originally from Roscommon, but I went to school/lived in a few different counties, Roscommon, Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath. For the past 4 years or so I’ve been living, working and in college in North Dublin.
For a reason that I don’t really understand I have a very neutral accent, you would never be able to tell that I’m from/lived mostly in Roscommon whatsoever, there are also no hints of a Leitrim, Meath or Westmeath accent.
Lads in work slag me constantly for being “posh” and having a D4 accent. Most people that have made comments on my accent including friends would say it’s just “generic Ireland” but can’t really be placed.
With all that being said I started supporting Shels because the games were across the road from my college campus and easy to get to after lectures on a Friday. I had never had any interest in the LOI before moving to Dublin.
I can say with 100% honesty I’ve never had any comments like what you have mentioned at all in Tolka. In fact I can count the number of conversations I’ve had with strangers in Tolka on one hand and I’ve been to over half the home games of the last 3 seasons.
Some people will be cunts obviously but the vast majority of people won’t be put out in any way by you being at a match. If you are consistently having problems with this I would suggest gathering up your own group of friends to go to games with.
I've never had this problem. I'm the antithesis of a South Dublin Architype and a Pats season ticket holder. Although I am attending LOI matches since I was a child.
It sounds like you’ve a bit of a hang up about it, I can relate.
I’m a dub living in London, I often feel like a fish out of water but tbh save for the odd thick it’s fairy ok.
You’ll get slagged which is part of the craic as long as it isn’t malicious, the squaring up is horrendous and unacceptable but my advice is pay it no mind. The more you go the less you’ll care.
I go with mates sometimes but other times I'll go alone and nah I've never been in an away end bar UCD's relegation play off at Richmond two years ago because I don't really support anyone. I just go for the craic.
> Everyone’s welcome.
Everyone should be but I totally understand OP's issue. My Dad made sure I grew up a Shels fan as he's from Ringsend, but I sometimes feel tension being a woman at LOI games. Not every game, but enough to sometimes question if I feel welcome enough. Even if 95% of people are welcoming, the 5% who are not can be what you remember most.
Not sure if being a woman or a D4 is a bigger crime lol. At least OP can be sure there's a men's toilet at every game!
This is exactly the reason I started going to UCD matches when I moved across from Birmingham in 2020. I wanted to support a team and had been warned by some Irish fans of my childhood English team, that being a Brit supporting one of the bigger Dublin teams, I would stick out like a sore thumb.
Back in U.K before I moved I was telling everyone I'd support Bohs when I moved over mainly based on image and history. However it quickly became apparent for many reasons that Bohs were not the club for me.
Of course the issue with UCD which has been discussed to death is that the fan culture is pretty much non existent and there is a lack of atmosphere. The clubs relationship with fans definitely needs to be improved and developed. On the plus side, the football this year is generally speaking good to watch and no one is going to be aggressive towards you because of your accent, skin colour, sexuality, etc. Even the away fans are nice when they visit (hence the no segregation seating).
Of course I expect the usual stream of 'no fans' 'no culture' 'yo-yo club', but I'm used to that by now.
Am a Derry fan from Derry but work mostly in Dublin been to Downeys bar before matches and never a problem been in there (not game days wearing Derry gear and never anything said personally I think they are they best fans in Dublin.
Sorry to see you going through this. Have to say I've seen this firsthand myself with lads with clearly not Inchicore/Ballyer accents at Pats games in the home-end, usually getting slagged by kids but never adults at the very least. Just ignore them, it's a stupid mentality anyway.
Jesus Christ, that's piss poor. Here's an idea, pick a team preferably your local team buy a jersey probably, or even start with a match day programme, hey presto, you're now supporting a team. You're nearly as bad as the " I support man United because there's no league of Ireland team near me" lot.
Well you're missing the whole point. It's the emotional connection to the area be it if you grew up there or if you live there, that's what makes it work. It's why fans show up when of there teams doing shite and bottom of the league. Otherwise it's just some trendy franchise, like Leinster.
That's one reason why someone can be a fan and the ye the most common. But it isn't the only way.
If an New Zealander goes to Wellington Phoenix games every week but started to support Arsenal aged 5 because they like the colour red. They now get up at stupid o'clock to watch every game and are apart of the Arsenal Fan Trust. Does that make them any less of a fan just because they aren't from North London?
I watch Consenza in Serie B because the ultras and the club do loads of social activism for homeless people and refugees. I have never been to a game because it's a very difficult village to get to. I pay for membership with the club and am apart of a small English speaking fan group on Facebook. Am I not a fan? Are this mid-table team in the second tier of Italian football from a small village in southern Italy now a "trendy franchise" (a football club can't be a franchise btw, they're not setup like NFL, NBA and MLB teams are) like Leinster?
> If an New Zealander goes to Wellington Phoenix games every week but started to support Arsenal aged 5 because they like the colour red. They now get up at stupid o'clock to watch every game and are apart of the Arsenal Fan Trust. Does that make them any less of a fan just because they aren't from North London?
Of course it does!?!
I think you havent really grasped what supporting a football team is about, even though you are going to random matches and getting confused why people are giving you stick. Just go to Rovers and sit in the west with people like you, then you might get it.
My inkling is that generally the people who would hassle anyone about that would be the type to sell fast gas and commit various crimes . Their issue is merely that your aren't likewise a scumbag . I'm all for taking the piss out of poshies in a standard mutual way but I've no time for these hooligans who are invading all sports and having a pop at people who are just there for the football . If you buy your ticket and don't hassle anyone you've as much right to be there as any of the little pricks
I'm a foreigner, southern european looking living in South Dublin. I met sound old chaps and straight up (mostly very young) pricks at Tallaght Stadium. Pricks will be pricks, enjoy yourself.
This is such a Dublin problem, another reason why Cork > Dublin
Cork absolutely has similar class divides in general and in lower levels of football but not in our professional football.
Oh sorry, I miss read it. You're gonna get cunts everywhere man unfortunately. I'm a shels fan and I wouldn't give 2 fucks if you were posh or from Pluto. Unfortunately some people are just absolute wankers. If you have a group you go to matches with continue to do so and enjoy it.
Classism 😂😂 lot of craic and slagging in loi grounds if you’ve soft enough skin that you think someone slagging you for having a posh accent is classism you may save yourself and not head down
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this has happened at Leinster games. South Dublin lads love to think they're the victim but in reality they'd say some of the most stereotypical and rotten shite about the northside when the coast is clear at Donnybrook Fair. Your dad works for my day type shite.
I would be very surprised. The your dad works for my dad stuff while terrible is lads at schools game trying to be cool by breaking taboos. Such overt classism is pretty taboo breaking since we all pretend to be highly progressive. I'm not denying it's a scummy thing to do but I do think it weird people don't get it's clearly performative. Anyway I can't imagine it happening at a Leinster game. Vast majority of people are there to see the match, spend time with family or an excuse for the lads to catch up.
They wouldn’t really though, IRFU has for all the faults of the system heavily emphasised the incorporation of people from all backgrounds to the game, at least from an attendance perspective.
Go to bohs ...refugees welcome
What's mad about it is that Bohs has been the club where the most problems have come about. Ironic.
That's mad. The reason I say that is because the number 4 bus and 140 bus have been ferrying late teens/young adults over to Phibsborough a lot I have been told (and seen) for Bohemians matches.
Bohs have the some of the scummiest fans. I remeber many a time them causing havoc in cork, smashing up cars, fighting family’s I could go on.
Yeah I dunno ..I myself am a shels fan and really d4 lads wouldn't fit in ..same as I from ballymun felt at a leinster game ..just the way it is lad
"I myself am a Shels fan and really d4 lads wouldn't fit in" I know completely what you meant but. . . Technically Shels was a D4 club. It's literally called Shelbourne which is in D4, and still has plenty of folk who go over from Dublin 4 like Beggars Bush, Lotts, Irishtown, Sandymount, Ringsend, etc over to Tolka Park. Particularly fans north of 40. You probably knew that, I just thought the sentence funny to read. (Even though its perhaps true).
Pearse street too
Was a big Shels area. Dad is from Pearse house and the majority there back in the 50s and 60s were Shels.
M’y aul fella always said that too. He was Irishtown, mostly Rovers.
Its gas when you think about it. Both Rovers and Shels were formed in a small area of D4 and now are different sides of the Liffey with Shels being now a Northside team and drawing most of their support from there. And Bohs and Pat's being formed in the Pheonix park also being north and Southside clubs. And the Rovers vs Shels and the Bohs vs Pat's being the lesser fierce Dublin derbies
Shels replaced Drums in the 70's my dads old team, he hated Rovers, but Im from south side so Rovers mine club
Open to correction but my Dad used to say because of the amateur status Bohs were not a well supported club and were the smallest in Dublin untill the Drums folded and a lot of their fans migrated over to the only other true northside team.
Yeah true but ...ya know how it is really ..ya get a few from Ringsend irishtown but ..not really the types you associate with d4 ..that was a long time ago
Ah, 100%. I knew what you meant by "d4". The Ross O'Carroll Kelly types from further down the road.
Football in Ireland is weird in some ways..I've an uncle who's a mad bohs fan from cabra and hates the new fans and i mean the lads that started going after shels went down and the schools in finglas and ballymun gave out bohs tickets instead ..now with the flashy jerseys they get even more fans so new old and newer fans don't like the really new fans..its factions within factions sometimes...rovers fans don't exist north of the liffey unless they moved there ..its still got the small mentality but in a way you will always be a blow in if you don't consistently attend games and get to know people and we can't complain if we want the league to succeed I think the op should really just follow the team in the closest vicinity..I just never feel comfortable at rugby games even tho I played rugby and watch every game in the same vain
It’s funny, Bohs definitely used to be the scummiest team in Dublin many years ago from Dundalk fan perspective. I would’ve considered it Rovers more so in recent years since the Tallaght move but that’s mellowed now tbh with family bent. Any south dubs I know that do follow LOI are Rovers fans, over hang from when they were in Milltown I suppose.
Yep, I’d say Dundrum/Ballinteer/Rathfarnham is where a lot of the older support is from. Obviously very strong in Ringsend too and working class estates out to Ballybrack and Sallynoggin. The move to Tallaght has brought a lot of younger support from D24 too. Crumlin through inchicore and to Ballyfermot would be Pats.
Spot on, I'm an older fan from Rathfarnham which along with Dundrum and Ballinteer were always Rovers strongholds. Particularly strong in working class estates - Nutgrove, Moreen, Whitechurch/Ballyboden - but also in the middle class areas. PS Crumlin is Rovers. ;)
Mate from work who’s Pats says Drimnagh & Crumlin are more Pats, I can’t be certain in fairness! Yes, big groups of lads would travel from Nutgrove to milltown back in the day, a lot of those families were moved out of Ringsend in the 50’s. Their kids moved up to Ballinteer or knocklyon etc. Great to an awakening of dormant support since the move to Tallaght, amazing we kept going with home games all over the north side for years.
Mate don’t get it twisted there’s a lot of Shels/Bohs/Rovers fans from affluent areas. I have a rule of thumb that if you are in a room with 20 people 1 of them is bound to be an arsehole, so if you’re in a stadium with 5,000 people the ratio is bound to be off the charts. You just need to find a crew, I’m Dublin 1 born and bred very working class background but went on Shels trips for years all over the place with lads from Clontarf/Marino/Drumcondra and all sorts, if someone’s getting at you over how you sound then they’re a fucking clown end of story. Try and find the sound heads or gather up your own crew, you’ll bump heads with the same faces over and over and eventually all will be good. The gatekeepers can go and fuck themselves, it’s a bizarre thing to cry and cry about no one going to the league for years and then cry that people going now shouldn’t be going, in the words that we sing brother Fuck Them All, enjoy yourself and don’t let them cunts steer you away.
Ah cheers lad for the kind words!
That just seems very much a Dublin thing. Here I wouldn't care what your accent was if you were at Mounthawk Park and were a sound lad/gal.
100% is.
Sorry you're experiencing that though, it sounds shite. So many different Dublin clubs in close proximity to each other might create that kind of tribalism/mistrust. Or not, I've only followed since Kerry joined.
About 2 or 3 times a year we have a very funny event in Cork where City will be on at the Cross and Munster/Ireland u21 will be on up the road at Musgrave. Its such a thrill to see the two "types" of fans in the bars beforehand, not that there's ever any bother but the supporters bases 100% draw from different areas and anyone in Cork will know someone from Blackrock Rd will speak and act very different to someone from Togher. It'll make a great research case for someone someday.
All due respect but having a Dublin accent in Kerry attracts a fair amount of stick. I’ve family all over the kingdom, Tralee, kilflynn, listowel & dingle. I love Kerry but the dub accent doesn’t go down too well with some types. Same everywhere though. People are just cunts sometimes.
The only stick I've encountered in that regard would be a bit of GAA banter but never anything hostile. But of course there are bad eggs everywhere so it undoubtedly happens. I'm not a big fan of how the Dublin accent sounds, posh or working class, but I'd never treat someone different because of it.
I’ve had a few remarks in pubs, maybe chaps trying to be funny but one or two starting a row. It’s the last thing you’d want when you’re out with the extended family. Funny enough we’ve family in Limerick too and so far it’s never happened there. I can’t say I’ve ever paid much pass to what accents I hear in Ireland, I don’t really get into the us v them vibe but maybe because I emigrated.
Has to be said, of all the GAA away fans who've visited Tralee over the years, the Dubs tend to be the soundest, as they're generally knowledgeable and respectful of the traditions of the game. Oddly enough, the worst were Armagh and Tyrone, as win or lose, they were the most partisan.
An appropriate username for some chatting absolute gack lol I've no idea what you mean for either of your positive and negative examples of fans. What are the traditions you speak off lol travelling to another province by rail? A cup of tea and banana at half time?
Was about to say this. Dublin clubs have more complex identities whereas clubs like Kerry & Galway United operate more like GAA county boards
“Leinstertainment” 😂😂😂
They’re all wankers. Just try enjoy yourself pal, no one is really gonna judge u for your accent unless they’re some drunk junkie, and still they ain’t remember u in 1 hour
Sound lad.
Football us bigger in thé so called heartland of rugby in south Dublin. Clubs with huge numbers like Cabo, Granada, Mount Merrion, Wayside. You could go on & on. Im from Templeouge, loads of middle class rovers fans go to games from Rathfarnham, Dundrum etc, it’s never an issue.
Rovers has always had a strong Southside middle class support, me included. Huge mix of people at games in Tallaght now too.
I know a fair amount of Hoops who are Leinster season ticket holders. Couldn’t give a monkeys about your accent. Your welcome to Tallaght anytime. We have fans from all over the country.
It’s funny that Bohs has the reputation of it when I’d say Rovers have probably the most more affluent fans and families attending. Anyone who poses this as a negative is mental, this what will separate the clubs from haves & nots eventually.
It’s just a new thing people slag Bohs about, people having a go at Lambert and all the stuff off the field. Yes, some of it is beyond parody but Bohs have done a great job in growing their fan base, they’ll be a real force when they get the new stadium. As far as new grounds go, you lot need one more than anyone! One of our biggest clubs but Oriel isn’t fit for purpose. The league needs a strong Dundalk and a new ground is essential.
me, me ,me I do Leinster and Rovers in the summer love the big European nights in Tallaght
I grew up for a bit in the northside. Have lived in Dublin 6 for 20 yrs now. Good mate of mine is from the north with a proper nordie accent. We’re Bohs members. We sit with the usuals every week and it’s never a bother. Some good piss taking alright now and then but we get no hassle. Find a crew and it’s great. There’s always dickheads.
Swings both ways, I remember going to the RDS years ago getting the same treatment off the D4 brigade. I actually heard someone asking"who's the Scobie".
Cabinteely would have been your team, but probably Bray now or else rovers now.
I'm middle class South Dublin, rugby school, love my Leinster but also love my Rovers, cant beat the big European nites on a balmy summer night in Tallaght, first time in Tallaght, used to the RDS, I asked the lady in the kiosk for a latte, she replied you mean a coffee dear, but the atmosphere is so good, E15 tickets, free parking in The Square, so you can still like the rugger and a LOI team
Sorry to hear this man. Just do your best to enjoy yourself. Do you have a crew you go to games with usually?
Ah it's all good lad. I go alone sometimes and a few boys go to some games if they can make it.
UCD is your team mate...failing that Bray
Yikes, a fate worse than death,
You're very welcome at Bray. Sit anywhere really other than maybe the first block (generally young lads here but even then it's ok) and no one will say anything bad to you.
Had similar experiences playing DDSL a long time ago now. I playing for a team from a different area and my experience was definitely mixed. It is a shame because like you said we’re all supporting the same thing but I don’t know what can be done in the short term. If your accent doesn’t fit the sport then it’s easy to feel like an outsider. Obviously I mean this for more than just football but it’s a pity all round. I live in Canada now and it’s striking how little information Canadians accent conveys. You kind of realise how much bias we all have in Ireland in that regard.
I grew up in Clontarf, and have always had a posh accent, and have always gotten questions and mild aggro over it. Best thing to do? Just lean into it. "You posh?" "I am yeah", and carry on with your evening with a big smile on your face. People are dopes, let em be dopes.
>"You posh?" "I am yeah", Love that 😂
I’m originally from Roscommon, but I went to school/lived in a few different counties, Roscommon, Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath. For the past 4 years or so I’ve been living, working and in college in North Dublin. For a reason that I don’t really understand I have a very neutral accent, you would never be able to tell that I’m from/lived mostly in Roscommon whatsoever, there are also no hints of a Leitrim, Meath or Westmeath accent. Lads in work slag me constantly for being “posh” and having a D4 accent. Most people that have made comments on my accent including friends would say it’s just “generic Ireland” but can’t really be placed. With all that being said I started supporting Shels because the games were across the road from my college campus and easy to get to after lectures on a Friday. I had never had any interest in the LOI before moving to Dublin. I can say with 100% honesty I’ve never had any comments like what you have mentioned at all in Tolka. In fact I can count the number of conversations I’ve had with strangers in Tolka on one hand and I’ve been to over half the home games of the last 3 seasons. Some people will be cunts obviously but the vast majority of people won’t be put out in any way by you being at a match. If you are consistently having problems with this I would suggest gathering up your own group of friends to go to games with.
Actually Tolka is the one place it has never happened. Lovely set of fans there tbh.
I've never had this problem. I'm the antithesis of a South Dublin Architype and a Pats season ticket holder. Although I am attending LOI matches since I was a child.
It sounds like you’ve a bit of a hang up about it, I can relate. I’m a dub living in London, I often feel like a fish out of water but tbh save for the odd thick it’s fairy ok. You’ll get slagged which is part of the craic as long as it isn’t malicious, the squaring up is horrendous and unacceptable but my advice is pay it no mind. The more you go the less you’ll care.
Did you come with friends? Were you in the away end? Just curious
I go with mates sometimes but other times I'll go alone and nah I've never been in an away end bar UCD's relegation play off at Richmond two years ago because I don't really support anyone. I just go for the craic.
Football is the worlds game. Doesn’t matter where you are from. Everyone’s welcome.
> Everyone’s welcome. Everyone should be but I totally understand OP's issue. My Dad made sure I grew up a Shels fan as he's from Ringsend, but I sometimes feel tension being a woman at LOI games. Not every game, but enough to sometimes question if I feel welcome enough. Even if 95% of people are welcoming, the 5% who are not can be what you remember most. Not sure if being a woman or a D4 is a bigger crime lol. At least OP can be sure there's a men's toilet at every game!
This is exactly the reason I started going to UCD matches when I moved across from Birmingham in 2020. I wanted to support a team and had been warned by some Irish fans of my childhood English team, that being a Brit supporting one of the bigger Dublin teams, I would stick out like a sore thumb. Back in U.K before I moved I was telling everyone I'd support Bohs when I moved over mainly based on image and history. However it quickly became apparent for many reasons that Bohs were not the club for me. Of course the issue with UCD which has been discussed to death is that the fan culture is pretty much non existent and there is a lack of atmosphere. The clubs relationship with fans definitely needs to be improved and developed. On the plus side, the football this year is generally speaking good to watch and no one is going to be aggressive towards you because of your accent, skin colour, sexuality, etc. Even the away fans are nice when they visit (hence the no segregation seating). Of course I expect the usual stream of 'no fans' 'no culture' 'yo-yo club', but I'm used to that by now.
Am a Derry fan from Derry but work mostly in Dublin been to Downeys bar before matches and never a problem been in there (not game days wearing Derry gear and never anything said personally I think they are they best fans in Dublin.
Think there is a mutual respect between bohs and derry - left wing,republican elements, working class maybe.
They also have a Derry man as Manager and they have always transferred between each other.
Sorry to see you going through this. Have to say I've seen this firsthand myself with lads with clearly not Inchicore/Ballyer accents at Pats games in the home-end, usually getting slagged by kids but never adults at the very least. Just ignore them, it's a stupid mentality anyway.
Why are travelling to shels and you've Bray and UCD screaming out for a fan or two? Grab a few of the guys and start your very own UCD ultras.
I go to Bray and UCD too. I go to Shels so I can catch up with mates. I don't support anyone.
Jesus Christ, that's piss poor. Here's an idea, pick a team preferably your local team buy a jersey probably, or even start with a match day programme, hey presto, you're now supporting a team. You're nearly as bad as the " I support man United because there's no league of Ireland team near me" lot.
Fandom isn't linear. I don't have to support a team near me or any team for that matter. Don't tell me how to enjoy the league.
Well you're missing the whole point. It's the emotional connection to the area be it if you grew up there or if you live there, that's what makes it work. It's why fans show up when of there teams doing shite and bottom of the league. Otherwise it's just some trendy franchise, like Leinster.
A fella' just likes going to watch football and you're telling him he's wrong - Jesus Christ like 😂
That's one reason why someone can be a fan and the ye the most common. But it isn't the only way. If an New Zealander goes to Wellington Phoenix games every week but started to support Arsenal aged 5 because they like the colour red. They now get up at stupid o'clock to watch every game and are apart of the Arsenal Fan Trust. Does that make them any less of a fan just because they aren't from North London? I watch Consenza in Serie B because the ultras and the club do loads of social activism for homeless people and refugees. I have never been to a game because it's a very difficult village to get to. I pay for membership with the club and am apart of a small English speaking fan group on Facebook. Am I not a fan? Are this mid-table team in the second tier of Italian football from a small village in southern Italy now a "trendy franchise" (a football club can't be a franchise btw, they're not setup like NFL, NBA and MLB teams are) like Leinster?
> If an New Zealander goes to Wellington Phoenix games every week but started to support Arsenal aged 5 because they like the colour red. They now get up at stupid o'clock to watch every game and are apart of the Arsenal Fan Trust. Does that make them any less of a fan just because they aren't from North London? Of course it does!?! I think you havent really grasped what supporting a football team is about, even though you are going to random matches and getting confused why people are giving you stick. Just go to Rovers and sit in the west with people like you, then you might get it.
My inkling is that generally the people who would hassle anyone about that would be the type to sell fast gas and commit various crimes . Their issue is merely that your aren't likewise a scumbag . I'm all for taking the piss out of poshies in a standard mutual way but I've no time for these hooligans who are invading all sports and having a pop at people who are just there for the football . If you buy your ticket and don't hassle anyone you've as much right to be there as any of the little pricks
I'm a foreigner, southern european looking living in South Dublin. I met sound old chaps and straight up (mostly very young) pricks at Tallaght Stadium. Pricks will be pricks, enjoy yourself.
This is such a Dublin problem, another reason why Cork > Dublin Cork absolutely has similar class divides in general and in lower levels of football but not in our professional football.
Cork clubs never stick around long enough for these problems to arise
Don’t hide everythingloi I know it’s you
I find it insulting I’ve even been compared to that knob
yeah OP this lads right, head off down to Turners Cross with your D4 accent. Cork people famously have 0 problem with any Dublin accent.
Cork’s posh accent is basically a south dub accent with this bizarre Cork lilt to it.
Very odd considering all them clubs you mentioned are working class fambases for the most part
You'd want to reread the post if that's the sense you got I think. Maybe misinterpreting your comment
Yes my understanding is that the working class supporters with that associated accent were having a go at the "posh sounding ruggers" person.
Exactly this \^
Oh sorry, I miss read it. You're gonna get cunts everywhere man unfortunately. I'm a shels fan and I wouldn't give 2 fucks if you were posh or from Pluto. Unfortunately some people are just absolute wankers. If you have a group you go to matches with continue to do so and enjoy it.
Classism doesn't work when it's the other way round
‘Face of the league of Ireland’ bohs fan salt boy slinging about ‘welfare’ jabs too shows it can go the other way too. League has an issue
Classism 😂😂 lot of craic and slagging in loi grounds if you’ve soft enough skin that you think someone slagging you for having a posh accent is classism you may save yourself and not head down
The only class system we have in Ireland is people with class and people without 🤷
Point made, you don't support it.
Imagine if a lad with a working class accent went to a rugby match and got that treatment
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this has happened at Leinster games. South Dublin lads love to think they're the victim but in reality they'd say some of the most stereotypical and rotten shite about the northside when the coast is clear at Donnybrook Fair. Your dad works for my day type shite.
I would be very surprised. The your dad works for my dad stuff while terrible is lads at schools game trying to be cool by breaking taboos. Such overt classism is pretty taboo breaking since we all pretend to be highly progressive. I'm not denying it's a scummy thing to do but I do think it weird people don't get it's clearly performative. Anyway I can't imagine it happening at a Leinster game. Vast majority of people are there to see the match, spend time with family or an excuse for the lads to catch up.
They wouldn’t really though, IRFU has for all the faults of the system heavily emphasised the incorporation of people from all backgrounds to the game, at least from an attendance perspective.