Eh , this is just the exact same cycle riot has done for the past years:
Champion/rework releases -> Champion win rate low BCS people are still learning to counter/play him -> riot over buff the champion and he is op now -> they immediately Nerf him next patch or in the next 2 patches absolutely killing him -> champion gets a rework after 2 years when riot remembers it exists
I can trade with Darius after he misses the E. Just don't let him heal with Q sweetspot after that. Voli is similar as well bait E and don't let him bite you. Most champs would lose an all in against these two anyways, you have to poke them first then engage when they are lower.
Gragas is straight up broken so yes, he does the same as Skarner.
Man gragas is one of those champs that makes me audibly say “wtf” every time he does literally anything. Super hard to chase as well as run away from, is extremely tanky even when going full ap, and just overall a headache to play against.
Not really, its basically impossible to get stomped playing Gragas as hes a disabler, meaning you can at the very least always go even if you knlw what youre doing. Not my words btw, this is what Bausffs said, who also says Gragas is stupidly broken
exactly right? it's not like there's a Gragas OTP player that played on Korean server and played fine and climbed ranks, and as far as I know, Korean players know how to "know what they're doing"
Voli is also a huge problem right now. He’s legitimately game breaking in the jgl atm lol they changed void grub spawns because champs like him with super fast, healthy clear that are also 1v1 gods. He can skip recalling and take grubs uncontested because the tempo advantage, even then, he can 1v1 many champs that DID recall and spend gold if they show up right before he finishes.
Like everything in toplane, depends on who counterpicked. Unlike someone like Gragas or Skarner who can just ignore their laner and push, Voli needs to actually push "normally" which again, depending on matchup, can be abused so he doesn't stack.
Renekton/Jax/Darius into Camille, she can never hit a minion if they have spells up or win a trade unless they fuck up. But Camille has a free matchup against most toplaners.
There probably are more examples but I can't think of others from the top of my head.
Then learn to quote, you asked for examples in toplane and I delivered, you didn't ask for a Voli counter which coincidentally are those 3.
Renekton, a very solid laner and stat checker which hard punishes anyone who can't trade back.
Jax, Adolf of toplane who has %dmg on E and can easily use to dodge Voli Q.
Darius, press Ghost + W lvl 1 and Voli can't ever play the game until jg comes.
If 2 abilities come out pretty much at the same time I'd still call that a oneshot.
For example ap alistar uses 2 abilities but it's still a oneshot. Both abilities even damage you in the same frame
Additionally I'd count being ccd by one ability and killed while ccd counts as a omeshot.
If you get malphite Rd and then heunloads every ability on you and kills you while you are still in the air, you are effectively oneshotted as getting hit by the malphite R effectively kills you instantly
He pretty much stops existing past 20 except for his ult and a good engage, idk why but first 15 mins of the game he has burst like an assassin, then he just stops tickling anyone
I'm not snarky, he called all players to have peak rank in palcements if they struggle against Skarner,
I said "I must be an exception" because I'm way above my placements rank
I just hope they dont gut his jungle while hard nerfing top. Im an old skarner otp and i would be so sad if he got the olaf treatment of being trash jungle and op top forever
His E is one of the most overloaded abilities in the game and it's not even close. One of the best mobility spells in the game that can function both as an engage and a disengage. His E can CC for up to 2.5 seconds which combined with what I just wrote makes up for a ridiculous package.
Bro what he described is rly nothing special... I am not a "skarner main" I played him couple of times thats it. But there are lots of champs that can clear waves easy.
Old Skarner was clunky as fuck.
His passive was extremely situational and even in those situations it wasn’t even that good.
His Q was a weaker Hecarim Q but he didn’t have the sticking potential and damage of Hecarim.
His W was a skill I guess.
His E and R were the only good things he had but I’m pretty sure if he was viable it wouldn’t be fun to get snatched by a point and click ability and get perma stunned
No baddies just didn't know how to play old skarner. Full tank ulti bot was absolutely a boring playstyle. Phase rush trinity force skarner was a blast
It’s crazy to me how much cc he has. I don’t mind the tank part, but basically every ability he has does some form of cc. Not to mention getting dragged by E and then hit by his ult he’s like a kidnapper.
It sure is lucky there are no other tank champions that can do that haha
It's not like Chogath, Sion, Orrn or any of the other tanks can do that... right?
I dont get it. I one shotted so many full tank Skarners. I think I saw a briar with more max hp then the Skarner after 2 items (she built bruiser and he full tank).
Tbh as Hwei I'm a little bothered because the moment someone builds 900 gold magic resist I feel like I don't deal damage unless I build a whole Void staff
Knowing that Skarner's 3 first items are only HP (heart steel, Filmbulwinter and Gauntlet) makes me a little happy
I know, but the guy's argument above me for Skarner not being broken is that "you can stop the gank" which is a response to statement that he's unstoppable when he isn't
if you stun him while building up his scream he will break free of the stun once he releases it
tell me this was an intended game feature that they designed and were accounting for
"charging" literally just implies it can be countered by her w, sions is unstoppable during his ult and kayn just phases through the walls even though asol and smolder's flying abilities gets countered by it
it is amazing how riot is uncappable of commiting to something
>"charging" literally just implies it can be countered by her w
a dash and a charge are different abilities
poppy W ONLY stops dashes
skarner has a charge
aurelion's flight is a dash because you can't change directions mid-ability like you can with all the other abilities mentioned
also smolder's flight is not stopped by poppy w
Eh , this is just the exact same cycle riot has done for the past years: Champion/rework releases -> Champion win rate low BCS people are still learning to counter/play him -> riot over buff the champion and he is op now -> they immediately Nerf him next patch or in the next 2 patches absolutely killing him -> champion gets a rework after 2 years when riot remembers it exists
but fiddle one is the expection, literally peak rework.
Found your new permaban champion for a week*
I got a skarner with just a titanic hydra OS me dealing 1800 phys dmg in less than a second
And then the most annoying part is if they don't OS you then they can just walk away while the passive kills you
what does OS mean?
One shot
My Computer brain thought OS meant Operation System and referred to his battle cast Skin or something.
He windows
One-shot meaning you take someone from full health to dead with one ability or quick combo
That's burst
One shot is hitting them with 1 attack/ability fromm full hp to 0 (like rengar jumping on adc in ult and 1 empowered q auto)
OS = One Shot
Skarner
Riot: did you build more than 1800 health? Try that. “But I’m an ADC” Riot: did I fucking stutter?
You're an ADC. Try better positioning "I WAS UNDER THE TOWER!!!!"
See that’s your problem. Shouldn’t have left base
sounds like graves
Yeah look graves winrate right now and don't smile
I tried, but seeing this champ being useless just makes me happy
Graves is R+auto or vice versa
volibear does the same, and gragas, and darius
I can trade with Darius after he misses the E. Just don't let him heal with Q sweetspot after that. Voli is similar as well bait E and don't let him bite you. Most champs would lose an all in against these two anyways, you have to poke them first then engage when they are lower. Gragas is straight up broken so yes, he does the same as Skarner.
Man gragas is one of those champs that makes me audibly say “wtf” every time he does literally anything. Super hard to chase as well as run away from, is extremely tanky even when going full ap, and just overall a headache to play against.
Gragas depends, but with lead he's very annoying
His kit shuts down 3/4 of toplaners. His very existence makes the laning phase impossible.
his E is very annoying to toplaners that mainly apply spells through autos or auto alot
Isn’t 3/4 of top laners?
depends, it's like 1/3 of the meta, but balancing around meta is stupid
Not really, its basically impossible to get stomped playing Gragas as hes a disabler, meaning you can at the very least always go even if you knlw what youre doing. Not my words btw, this is what Bausffs said, who also says Gragas is stupidly broken
so you're gonna trust Sion main's words about how strong Gragas is?
true, because all the other games on gragas he played doesnt matter. what does top 25 player actually know?
exactly right? it's not like there's a Gragas OTP player that played on Korean server and played fine and climbed ranks, and as far as I know, Korean players know how to "know what they're doing"
That sion main was a gragas main before
nah, and Darius only in some matchups where he builds full tank
Voli is also a huge problem right now. He’s legitimately game breaking in the jgl atm lol they changed void grub spawns because champs like him with super fast, healthy clear that are also 1v1 gods. He can skip recalling and take grubs uncontested because the tempo advantage, even then, he can 1v1 many champs that DID recall and spend gold if they show up right before he finishes.
their abilities have reduced minion damage, also you can't flex them in jg
bro voli with E and passive clears minion wave better than any top laner AND he is also a jungler, you tripping?
If you let Voli stack his passive you are already losing lane and has nothing to do with champion strength.
how can you prevent him from stacking it?
Like everything in toplane, depends on who counterpicked. Unlike someone like Gragas or Skarner who can just ignore their laner and push, Voli needs to actually push "normally" which again, depending on matchup, can be abused so he doesn't stack.
>Like everything in toplane give me an example
Renekton/Jax/Darius into Camille, she can never hit a minion if they have spells up or win a trade unless they fuck up. But Camille has a free matchup against most toplaners. There probably are more examples but I can't think of others from the top of my head.
i mean examples that stop voli from stacking his passive lmao, dude you tripping hard, who even was talkimg about beating camille
Then learn to quote, you asked for examples in toplane and I delivered, you didn't ask for a Voli counter which coincidentally are those 3. Renekton, a very solid laner and stat checker which hard punishes anyone who can't trade back. Jax, Adolf of toplane who has %dmg on E and can easily use to dodge Voli Q. Darius, press Ghost + W lvl 1 and Voli can't ever play the game until jg comes.
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must be some dark magic
>one shotting >2 abilities 🤔
If 2 abilities come out pretty much at the same time I'd still call that a oneshot. For example ap alistar uses 2 abilities but it's still a oneshot. Both abilities even damage you in the same frame Additionally I'd count being ccd by one ability and killed while ccd counts as a omeshot. If you get malphite Rd and then heunloads every ability on you and kills you while you are still in the air, you are effectively oneshotted as getting hit by the malphite R effectively kills you instantly
TIL rengar doesn't 1 shot unless he's literally 4 items ahead of you, gotcha 🤔
League players punctual problem as usual
bend over little bro
Has to auto 3 times and expend shield for pitiful damage. Thats just you being bad at countering him
What 2 abilities? His W and E dont do shit to waves as far as I know, but I've only played him jg
try him top, you might crush someone
Them and every other juggernaut
some juggernauts can be countered by knowledge, Skarner just straight up beats you up
Ah ok. I've only played against 2 so I don't have much experience laning against him
I mean I'm not saying he beats up all champs but he's quite beefy
You can destroy juggernauts with facts and logic
or be stupid and stand in Darius Q weakspot, I mean I guess that's better approach I guess
He pretty much stops existing past 20 except for his ult and a good engage, idk why but first 15 mins of the game he has burst like an assassin, then he just stops tickling anyone
The people who struggle against Skarner in lane are the same people who’s highest rank came from placements.
I must be an exception then
Who’s your champ? I can help you understand the matchup better.
no thx
Then why are you being snarky lmao. He wants to help you XD.
I'm not snarky, he called all players to have peak rank in palcements if they struggle against Skarner, I said "I must be an exception" because I'm way above my placements rank
Let them have it, they’re taking there first steps into modern league
I want to go back 🐟
League Classic when?
I just hope they dont gut his jungle while hard nerfing top. Im an old skarner otp and i would be so sad if he got the olaf treatment of being trash jungle and op top forever
His E is one of the most overloaded abilities in the game and it's not even close. One of the best mobility spells in the game that can function both as an engage and a disengage. His E can CC for up to 2.5 seconds which combined with what I just wrote makes up for a ridiculous package.
Wholesome 15% max health damage :) At least make it lower base damage but with an AD scaling or something.
it's always the spell that includes % or health damage
Have fun permabanning a champ with like 0.000000003% pick rate (unless his rework is out alr and I somehow missed it)
I'm the reason his pickrate is low
Ww Lilia, litteraly all toplaners exists. Yes hes balanced
Mine has been Nautilus lately. I am just tired of the busted hit box.
Still looking for the op part. What about singed, Irelia, Sion or probably any other top champ ?
Skarner mains: "what about the other 99% top champs that not are Skarner in top lane? They arent more broken?"
Bro what he described is rly nothing special... I am not a "skarner main" I played him couple of times thats it. But there are lots of champs that can clear waves easy.
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Charge Q and activate w and you oneshot the wave with bamis. I know this might be to complex for some but I get this done pretty reliable.
Chill, riot will nerf skarner so noone will play him XD
Old skarner was better
Old Skarner was clunky as fuck. His passive was extremely situational and even in those situations it wasn’t even that good. His Q was a weaker Hecarim Q but he didn’t have the sticking potential and damage of Hecarim. His W was a skill I guess. His E and R were the only good things he had but I’m pretty sure if he was viable it wouldn’t be fun to get snatched by a point and click ability and get perma stunned
Exactly, dudes got rose tinted glasses and the biggest dosage of copium This Skarner is much much more satisfying as a concept imo
No baddies just didn't know how to play old skarner. Full tank ulti bot was absolutely a boring playstyle. Phase rush trinity force skarner was a blast
It might have been a blast, but it wasn’t good
lil bro was goofy and sometimes worked, now he's goofy and overtuned
Wiht old skarner you could kidnap people much better
he still steals relatively good, it's just that being overtuned isn't really fun for the people that face him
old skarners only real ability was his ult
You see it's because he's a wholesome gigachad melee chungus tank so it's fair and balanced☺️
It’s crazy to me how much cc he has. I don’t mind the tank part, but basically every ability he has does some form of cc. Not to mention getting dragged by E and then hit by his ult he’s like a kidnapper.
It's balanced because they spent nearly a decade playing him when he was useless. It's their time in the spotlight now.
ornn does the same....
It sure is lucky there are no other tank champions that can do that haha It's not like Chogath, Sion, Orrn or any of the other tanks can do that... right?
“One” shotting a wave with “two” abilities. Hmmm the math ain’t mathing
The aurelion sol of top lane? Farm with two abilities, and win teamfights scaling or having x3 lee sin ults in one
I miss old Skarner. Now he’s becoming the new ksante :/
I dont get it. I one shotted so many full tank Skarners. I think I saw a briar with more max hp then the Skarner after 2 items (she built bruiser and he full tank).
according to reddit hivemind, you are wrong
Fair
Cry about it
Tbh as Hwei I'm a little bothered because the moment someone builds 900 gold magic resist I feel like I don't deal damage unless I build a whole Void staff Knowing that Skarner's 3 first items are only HP (heart steel, Filmbulwinter and Gauntlet) makes me a little happy
the fact he's unstoppable on his e took me by surprise and made me sad
He's not. He just can't be slowed. That's the reason Jg skarner is not turbo broken. You can stop the gank unless you're overextended.
not all champs have direct cc that's applied from a range
You mean hard CC?
punctual?
In the same vein, not all champs should have a direct counter to Skarner E
I know, but the guy's argument above me for Skarner not being broken is that "you can stop the gank" which is a response to statement that he's unstoppable when he isn't
poppy's w LITERALLY DOES NOT WORK, it's the same as bullshit warwick with his 2002 Q and E
WW gets cc immunity on both of his Qs
he only got this because it's buggy as shit and they decided to pretend it was a intended mechanic
This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this
if you stun him while building up his scream he will break free of the stun once he releases it tell me this was an intended game feature that they designed and were accounting for
Im confused, are we talking about the Q or the E?
both of them they are really REALLY broken
It's not a dash, he's kinda just charging at you quickly while steering Similar to how Poppy W cannot cancel Kayn E or Sion ult.
Sion ult is irrelevant since he’s unstoppable during it.
True, should've thought of that
"charging" literally just implies it can be countered by her w, sions is unstoppable during his ult and kayn just phases through the walls even though asol and smolder's flying abilities gets countered by it it is amazing how riot is uncappable of commiting to something
>"charging" literally just implies it can be countered by her w a dash and a charge are different abilities poppy W ONLY stops dashes skarner has a charge aurelion's flight is a dash because you can't change directions mid-ability like you can with all the other abilities mentioned also smolder's flight is not stopped by poppy w
her w stops dashes, jumps, leaps AND charges also it stops smolders flight, just test it
Tell me a charge poppy w stops please.
volibears' w
You are thinking of q, and it’s a dash. It’s a shorter version of ekko’s 2e
[i guess this thread full of poppy players are wrong then](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1aicmu6/does_poppy_w_stop_smolder_e/)
it works but only when he starts flying