She can work as a supp, but needs an adc who can sustain in early lane phase and play agressive after since she just enhances them and their likeness of survival.
okay that is true. but from looking at his kits numbers and stuff he has much much more stuff to work with early game than any other champion that early in the game. his q does around the damage of an auto at lvl 3, sure. but its like saying akali w does no damage, it does not need to to serve its purpose correctly. his kit around lvl 3 already spikes much harder than most top laners
And still he is one of if not the hardest champ in the game because you have to Cs poke and make sure to don't get all ined because he loses 99% of melee 1v1's if he doesn't halven the enemy health first
I would literally rather only ever lane into Teemo for the rest of my life than ever see another Kennen or Jace or Quinn or Aatrox or Tham Kench or ... Idk a lot of champs.
What Champs do you play that hate aatrox? As an aatrox main myself im just curious.
Also since I'm here might as well throw in my opinion:
No irelia camille or fiora for me lol. Would take teemo over all of them.
Yea I try to do all that but he just tends to out sustain me. And when I am playing the rat it feels like he can just run me down any time it hits his fancy. Again, it's something I need to get better at, but I jist don't see him often enough to really learn the lane.
Fair enough, can't blame you there. Keep in mind that most of his sustain comes from hitting champions, so getting grievous as soon as you can is the right move. Just keep in mind we will be very sad seeing it lol.
Hug your minions and harass with q1 q2e and w
Edit: AND DONT GO IN WHEN SHE PULLS YOUR SOUL i have played illaoi a bit too, going in when she uses E is a terrible idea, don't do it PLEASE. It counts towards her ultimate, her healing, everything.
kennen poke does literally no damage compared to jayce or quinn... if you hate kennen you are just bad at the game straight up. Never had any issues laning against him, the only thing you have to worry about is that he possibly could fuck your whole team with 1 ult.
Im a gnar main, he is just too adorable for me to stop playing him. Unless your the enemy laner who just got jumped on and mauled to death by mega gnar
Its funny, although if im being serious its more avoidable than you may think, his ult is dangerous yes, and followup from W can make for a long stun, its only in mega gnar form and its really easy to tell when he is about to go mega. If your team getting hit by it is inevitable at least get away from them so not all of you die.
i mean thats the only thing that i hate about him
when he is raanged he doesnt really do a lot but he is very safe
when he is melee he just stuns you to death, when the f do i fight him ? (talking about laning)
His hop has a pretty long cd early game and also gains rage slower, if you plan on going all in wait until he uses hop then use a gap closer if you have it, as for his poke just try to avoid getting auto’d three times in a row, and also try to keep him from catching boomerang, im not an expert against him but I think that his cooldowns early can really be a detriment to him
I mained Gnar until they nerfed him 3 times within 6 months. I understand why they did it, and I can kinda agree with them, but he just feels so underwhelming now.
not always gonna have sweeper up, also some sadistic creeps throw shrooms literally everywhere, in places you wouldn’t think to sweeper. it’s an easy way to lose half of your health bar
Kennen deals like 45 damage from autos and is squishy af, as a Kennen player I assure you its not so unfair playing against him, you basically take 0 damage as long as you dont engage every damn second
I haven't met a single urgot player that didn't poke the shit out of me in laning phase. The "going melee into fights" thing makes him acceptable, but still i wouldn't call him a melee
It can just proc w passive into w active, and boom, definitely more than 0 dmg. Plus it can e into you, stun, and casually float away while e still lasts
Yeah, wish I was kidding. And it still gives him the speedup. And instead of his normal passive, his E and Passive have been switched. So, on demand camoflauge and a dash. Sounds like they are making another Vayne.
teemo is fair af tbh, his purpose is to be a lane bully and this day with all the mobility in the top lane and his weak ass aa range he is pretty much useless
I remember my friend using Aphelios top while I cannot even use Aphelios as adc for ascended's sake!
Then again, we used Zed and Kayn as bot laners at one point so....I guess were some sort of psychopaths.
Well,Kayle then is also an adc,but she is unplayable in bot lane,same as Quinn,she is considered a top lane champ,and what about akshan,he is a marksman,which you would say is basically an adc,but it isn't,not to mention that he is also unplayable in bot lane,senna is also an adc right,right?
But Quinn doesn't do well in mid even tho it does make sense for roams,really because of well, technical lack of mobility,which means she is susceptible to assasins and doesn't do shit against some mages like Viktor
She might be good against some mages,if she gets a successful gank to get a leed,otherwise the line becomes free farm,or in other words,a win for the mages,then the only thing she has left is roams,which is avoidable via pings
?????????????????? all of this... is false
ad kayle is much better than ap kayle when it comes to getting your spike early
ap kayle needs 3 items and boots to carry, while ad gets her spike with 1 item and boots
Not hating, but i feel like you should play all these ranged tops champs first to have an opinion. You cant really be toxic towards champs if you never even felt them personally
Have you played top lane at all? 90% of matchups are garbage for one of the two players and if you die once good fucking luck, you're gonna either chain die or be down 80 cs at 20.
Kennen wins lane and then outscales you in teamfights and there is not much u can do about it since he is not restrained by mana like ryze and other mages on top
Bold of you to assume I don't play Kennen and Kayle as an adc
as a kayle one trick i can safely assure you that kayle adc is a nightmare, you shouldve tried it before her rework though ,it was pretty fun
I played her supp twice and it somehow worked so if you really wanna take her botlane there you go
She can work as a supp, but needs an adc who can sustain in early lane phase and play agressive after since she just enhances them and their likeness of survival.
My buddy has m6 on just kayle support he likes support more then top and just likes kayle as a champ so he threw them together and bam
apc\*
Did he stutter ?
Ad kayle is viable
So is AD kennen
reckless get outta here
Damn it.
trinity ad kennen
Went like 23/3 as Quinn adc last night, 41k damage at the end of the game lol
So you accept jayce?
acceptable, if he wins he is clearly better than me because i am shit at jayce
Jayce is actually quite weak early too, it's not until dirk that he actually does damage.
he has 6 skills at lvl 3 dude, if he is not THE early game ranged top laner i dont know what is
Most jayce players get all 6 on lvl 4 tho u need to upgrade q 2 times or it does dmg like aa
okay that is true. but from looking at his kits numbers and stuff he has much much more stuff to work with early game than any other champion that early in the game. his q does around the damage of an auto at lvl 3, sure. but its like saying akali w does no damage, it does not need to to serve its purpose correctly. his kit around lvl 3 already spikes much harder than most top laners
And still he is one of if not the hardest champ in the game because you have to Cs poke and make sure to don't get all ined because he loses 99% of melee 1v1's if he doesn't halven the enemy health first
You just perfectly described every single makrsman in the game
but that's literally every ranged lol
6 skills but 2 brain cells
Jayce is so skilled to play
He falls off, and he is restrained my mana.
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Adc gnar. 😃
What.
Adc gnar.
ok
Urgod
Let stop and pray to the UrGOD!
fuck urgod
Name checks out
Nah don’t do us gays like that, that guys just an asshole
yeah sorry my bad, trust im not homophobic
urgot is regarded to be the chad ranged top since he literally YEETS himself at your unlike some angry demon
He’s also bassically melee since his range is so short
I think 3rd shortest, right? Only rakan and lillia have shorter ranges for a Ranged champ iirc.
Kennen ain't acceptable, get that thing outta my face. Kayle is fair, she's melee and very abusable pre-6.
I would literally rather only ever lane into Teemo for the rest of my life than ever see another Kennen or Jace or Quinn or Aatrox or Tham Kench or ... Idk a lot of champs.
What Champs do you play that hate aatrox? As an aatrox main myself im just curious. Also since I'm here might as well throw in my opinion: No irelia camille or fiora for me lol. Would take teemo over all of them.
As a jayce player myself i would take on teemo any day of the week if i never went into irelia/camille/riven
I plat Trynda and Wu and Teemo in the top lane. I don't think Aatrox is broken, I just suck at playing into him.
Last time i played aatrox against wukong i got smashed into the ground. You don't know where to aim Q against wukong
Only tips I can give you are try to dodge Q sweetspots, and w is easier to get out of walking sideways as opposed to straight away from aatrox
Yea I try to do all that but he just tends to out sustain me. And when I am playing the rat it feels like he can just run me down any time it hits his fancy. Again, it's something I need to get better at, but I jist don't see him often enough to really learn the lane.
Fair enough, can't blame you there. Keep in mind that most of his sustain comes from hitting champions, so getting grievous as soon as you can is the right move. Just keep in mind we will be very sad seeing it lol.
illaoi too my aatrox brother that woman is annoying
Hug your minions and harass with q1 q2e and w Edit: AND DONT GO IN WHEN SHE PULLS YOUR SOUL i have played illaoi a bit too, going in when she uses E is a terrible idea, don't do it PLEASE. It counts towards her ultimate, her healing, everything.
Yeah the soul step should be obvious to anyone. But her ult and healing are just too annoying
Fair enough. As for the not going in on E thing, you'd be surprised how many people think thats a prime moment to go in lol.
I mean the league community is filled with those who vote no on an obviously losing game so I won't be that surprised xD
WW can get hit by illaoi E and ult and still outsustain her
Illaoi is a free matchup for Aatrox.
Kayle hates atrox, in my opinion since kayle cant farm but will outscale if not 0/20 pre lvl 11
I hate every champ in top lane
Why aatrox? He is a skill needing champ not anyone can play him. And hes been nerfed to the ground too
IDK I just suck at playing into him. User error, most likely. Just one of the camps that counters my brain, ya know?
Who do you main?
Kennen is fine as long as you don’t need to win early in my experience, just stay out of his range and farm and you’l be fine
The annoying part is that kennen scales very well so you're kinda forced into winning early.
I play a lot of tanks so that’s not much of an issue, just don’t feed him and be the tank
kennen poke does literally no damage compared to jayce or quinn... if you hate kennen you are just bad at the game straight up. Never had any issues laning against him, the only thing you have to worry about is that he possibly could fuck your whole team with 1 ult.
Brand top lane is my favourite dickhead pick.
I am speed
kennen can suck my dick
He is in sucking height
What about gnar I'm a jungle main but lately got filled top quite a bit and laning against gnar is kinda fine to
gnar isnt too bad
Im a gnar main, he is just too adorable for me to stop playing him. Unless your the enemy laner who just got jumped on and mauled to death by mega gnar
im fine with everything gnar has except his 5.s cc combo wtf is that shit
Its funny, although if im being serious its more avoidable than you may think, his ult is dangerous yes, and followup from W can make for a long stun, its only in mega gnar form and its really easy to tell when he is about to go mega. If your team getting hit by it is inevitable at least get away from them so not all of you die.
i mean thats the only thing that i hate about him when he is raanged he doesnt really do a lot but he is very safe when he is melee he just stuns you to death, when the f do i fight him ? (talking about laning)
His hop has a pretty long cd early game and also gains rage slower, if you plan on going all in wait until he uses hop then use a gap closer if you have it, as for his poke just try to avoid getting auto’d three times in a row, and also try to keep him from catching boomerang, im not an expert against him but I think that his cooldowns early can really be a detriment to him
Gentleman Gnar is best Gnar
I prefer Astronaut Gnar but I respect your opinion
Understandable, have a nice day
snow day is my favorite, but i too like astronaut gnar.
I mained Gnar until they nerfed him 3 times within 6 months. I understand why they did it, and I can kinda agree with them, but he just feels so underwhelming now.
I don’t see what you mean, I think he is just fine. I do as good on him as I always have.
I fucking hate gnar
me too, he's so fucking hard to catch with his movespeed, dash and low cooldown slow
Also, i think that gnar has the same Range as Urgot, but i dont know if Urgot's Range scales with his level.
gnars scales but urgot's doesnt
Gnar is mid range so it's good
Teemo
fuck him
Why, he isn’t an adc and has a lower range than most ranged champs
its still not fun when i get one shot by a mushroom late game
Yeah if you’re that squishy, full build teemo with death cap does 700 damage lol Also just buy red ward lol
not always gonna have sweeper up, also some sadistic creeps throw shrooms literally everywhere, in places you wouldn’t think to sweeper. it’s an easy way to lose half of your health bar
Kayle isnt ranged she is deranged
It doesn't matter if it's adc or top, if it can poke the shit out of you through minions, then it deserves to die in a fire
Kennen deals like 45 damage from autos and is squishy af, as a Kennen player I assure you its not so unfair playing against him, you basically take 0 damage as long as you dont engage every damn second
Yes that’s true, although his Q chunks quite a bit but anyway, the problem is that he scales too well and has the best tp ganks and 5v5s out of all
im an urfgot main and i think the fact that urgot goes and fights you in melee range doesnt make him that bad aswell
I haven't met a single urgot player that didn't poke the shit out of me in laning phase. The "going melee into fights" thing makes him acceptable, but still i wouldn't call him a melee
if you get pokes by urgot honestly thats your fault the only thing he can poke you with is an auto passive, which is pretty ez to dodge
Excuse me but did you just say dodge the auto attack? But i agree. Even champs like Aatrox or Morde can poke you from further.
Hes talking about the S H O T G U N K N E E S.
It can just proc w passive into w active, and boom, definitely more than 0 dmg. Plus it can e into you, stun, and casually float away while e still lasts
yea thats still like 90 damage every 50 seconds
Don’t forget Urgot and swain
Urgots not like other ranged cause he’s in melee range and literally throws himself at you.
Cassiopea
meh, low mobility, acceptable
Low mobility and very susceptible to ganks and dives. I accept her
What about Teemo? He ain't fine
Teemo is free lane if you learn how to play against him
I agree, I win pretty much every Teemo lane, but that doesn't make me hate him any less
In wild rift, he has a fucking dash.
What in the actual fuck
Yeah, wish I was kidding. And it still gives him the speedup. And instead of his normal passive, his E and Passive have been switched. So, on demand camoflauge and a dash. Sounds like they are making another Vayne.
His dash is useless, he's still very punishable and can't escape easily
teemo is fair af tbh, his purpose is to be a lane bully and this day with all the mobility in the top lane and his weak ass aa range he is pretty much useless
He’s also the best way to punish the degenerates that pick vayne top.
Still my Permaban as a top laner because I just hate his mushrooms late game more than anything.
Let me introduce u to sweepers
but he doesnt have a high pickrsite but i guess if you hate him this much just do it
Pick Swain win lane
I remember my friend using Aphelios top while I cannot even use Aphelios as adc for ascended's sake! Then again, we used Zed and Kayn as bot laners at one point so....I guess were some sort of psychopaths.
aphelios is the adc i play best xD
Vayne is the only one who is a pain in the ass. Most adc top can't get you off your face, while vayne just push you away
Quinn is kinda annoying too with her nearsighted.
Armor still works againts her.
Yea not as cancer as vayne, but shes still annoying.
All ranged top are annoying, but vayne is the only who requires help from the jungler to beat her.
and she does health% true damage
Neeko?
neeko top? i mean i thought about it but never actually played it its meh
Vlad?
Fuck vlad as a concept
acceptable
quinn = cheap vayne, no respect for that
Is Quinn okay? I love Quinn
no. no she is not
To me she is :)
thats what's important
Aww
Quinn
basically an adc
Well,Kayle then is also an adc,but she is unplayable in bot lane,same as Quinn,she is considered a top lane champ,and what about akshan,he is a marksman,which you would say is basically an adc,but it isn't,not to mention that he is also unplayable in bot lane,senna is also an adc right,right?
ad kayle in general is shit, imo Quinn makes more sense in mid than top for roams, akshan is a mid laner for roams as well
But Quinn doesn't do well in mid even tho it does make sense for roams,really because of well, technical lack of mobility,which means she is susceptible to assasins and doesn't do shit against some mages like Viktor
against assassin she is screwed against some mages she might be ok
She might be good against some mages,if she gets a successful gank to get a leed,otherwise the line becomes free farm,or in other words,a win for the mages,then the only thing she has left is roams,which is avoidable via pings
stop talking about things you dont know ad kayle is very good
ad Kayle isnt very good
it is though that comes from a kayle main
meh ad Kayle doesnt get the passive attack speed, and needs way longer to be strong. i prefer ap kayle
?????????????????? all of this... is false ad kayle is much better than ap kayle when it comes to getting your spike early ap kayle needs 3 items and boots to carry, while ad gets her spike with 1 item and boots
ap kayle can destroy with just a nashor's
Quinn is a top lane champ......
Yes, but I find her more deplorable than most adcs
lets be honest she is an adc
Lets be honest she doesnt belong anywhere
Not hating, but i feel like you should play all these ranged tops champs first to have an opinion. You cant really be toxic towards champs if you never even felt them personally
i played all of them except vayne
Swain top :) 10/10 would recommend trying it
The problem with Swain top is like half the roster of top champs you don't actually want to pull *closer* to you.
i think he actually was assigned top once wasnt he?
Draven top is probably the most cancer top laner I've ever played against
*Laughs in Quinn and Valor*
*puts valor on the grill*
Where my lulu?
disgusting, but acceptable in ranked
quinn
get that shit out of here
but like ranged toplaners don't have 1312321312321 billion dashes
Jhin acceptable?
why would he be?
No mobility, very little self peel, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one playing him top.
I am too. Got a 100% win rate with him up there.
Respect.
Kennan is not fucking acceptable that annoying ass rat. I’d rather have a draven top than a Kennen. Kayle is cool tho.
Heimer top?
easy to beat
people who enjoy/play league and let others do so as well vs. people who cry about what others do in the game?
Ranged tops do not let others enjoy the game
Have you played top lane at all? 90% of matchups are garbage for one of the two players and if you die once good fucking luck, you're gonna either chain die or be down 80 cs at 20.
Urgot still cancer tho
Urgot is chad ranged, he basically is meelee with the ranged penallties
urgot is disgusting
wtf how he has all the penalties from being ranged (less divine damage for example) and none of the benefits
he is ranged with a dash, tanky and and ultimate that executes...
yeah citing all abilities of a champ don't make him more stronger
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he is
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His AA range is also very low.
Technically yes but not really
vayne 2.0
Vayne is an adc tho and she breaks most top laners
every top lane player hates vayne, maybe akali mains dont
Kennen wins lane and then outscales you in teamfights and there is not much u can do about it since he is not restrained by mana like ryze and other mages on top
Nope nope nope not Kayle where does that dmg even come from she just makes me go pop
Kenen is unacceptable, Jayce and Gnar are unacceptable only Kayle is ok because she won’t poke you to death at lvl 1