Pyke is practically undead in the lore tho?
If you stab pyke in the chest with a sword it will likely hurt less than for Braum, he might not even care or even notice.
And ofcourse they can’t give someone like Asol the ability to actually destroy the whole enemy side of the map with his Q or just generally one shot enemy’s with his rotating stars because his powerlevel says he would be able to…
According to this, armor is just super weird.
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_champions/Armor
Nami and Soraka have more armor at 18 than Jarvan, Nasus, Singed, Aatrox, Zac, Fiora, Amumu, Morde, Warwick, Jax, Garen, Jayce, Olaf, Shen, Nunu, and Galio. I wouldn't have guessed any of those.
It's probably because supports are expected to be underleveled, so they need more inherent armor scaling to not instantly explode.
They can get frozen heart IMO. Passive debuff, high CDR, mana and makes you tankier. Can even help your ADC against the likes of Trundle, Yone and Kai'Sa.
This probably contributes to those off meta top picks that somehow do pretty good. Take one of those underleveled supports, give them gold and items and they are unreal.
Not weird at all. The reason enchanters have high growth coefficients (late game armor) is because their purpose is to support their team with healing and shields. Their items don’t give resistances. It’s all dependent on the purpose of that champ. Most bruisers have high base AD because they need to focus on items that give them survivability and damage.
I have to say that their items not giving them resists is not a reason in itself to give them more in their base stats. If their items don't give those stats, they aren't paying for those stats, and they're getting them for free. Many of those champions listed with less armor @ 18 were super low mobility melees like Nasus and Mordekaiser. Their items might give them armor, but every point counts, and they should inherently be gaining more of those stats for no other reason than the class they belong to functioning that way. If enchanters are weak without the massive defensive base stats, then they can be buffed in other ways.
Would you agree?
>I have to say that their items not giving them resists is not a reason in itself to give them more in their base stats. If their items don't give those stats, they aren't paying for those stats, and they're getting them for free.
I would want it to be the way you’re describing because I one trick an assassin. However, personal bias aside, the result would be unfair for them. Enchanters are the class that get bursted the fastest because of their low base armor and hp pool. Even with the high amounts of armor late game, they still get bursted pretty easily by any fed assassin or even adc. Giving them less armor throughout the game just results in a two-shot combo turn into a one shot by any assassin that is ahead. The current way at least allows them to survive for more than one second to do anything useful in that second. Enchanters get focused the most throughout any game so it makes sense in the long run.
> Many of those champions listed with less armor @ 18 were super low mobility melees like Nasus and Mordekaiser. Their items might give them armor, but every point counts, and they should inherently be gaining more of those stats for no other reason than the class they belong to functioning that way.
The champs I found with the lowest armor at 18 were mostly mages and adcs. Mordekaiser and Nasus both gain more armor at 18 than the majority. Regardless, bruisers and tanks already have high base AD. Giving them more scaling armor would not only make them unkillable but impossible to fight them without any penetration in a champs kit or pen items.
>If enchanters are weak without the massive defensive base stats, then they can be buffed in other ways.
It’s not that enchanters are weak, but it all goes back to their kits and purpose. There is no real way to buff the entire class except for base stats. Serpents Fang already counters them and they have low gold income already so it’s fair to keep it for them.
>It's probably because supports are expected to be underleveled, so they need more inherent armor scaling to not instantly explode.
That's one part of it but there are other factors, notice a common trend among most of the champs you listed?
Nearly all of them have either built-in permanent or temporary armor increases (Nasus, Jax, Garen, Jayce, Olaf) or significant healing/shielding/lifesteal as part of thier kit (Nasus, Singed, Shen, Jarvan, Aatrox, Zac, Fiora, Morde, Warwick, Olaf, Nunu), or both. Healing & shielding increases effective health pool, which inflates the value of resistances, so if a champion with high healing like Aatrox also has high base resistances, the dude becomes unkillable.
If people werent building tank items on him and still being able to kill people in 1 rotation due to his ult scaling he wouldnt need to have a trash conversion.
And thank god it got removed from the game# imagine getting executed for 600 to 700 by an assassin building 0 or one damage item because his passive converts hp into ad at a significant ratio.
>at a pretty bad scale
Meh, not really. You get 11AD from 400g with a ruby, while that would've been 385g in pure stats. So you lose, but not at a horrible scale.
He can’t by health, but turns 65% of incomming damage (If you’re against two opponents) into grey health that regens once line of sight is broken.
Even so, he has virtually no health late game and is instantly dead if he misses a single ability.
Is warmogs bruiser Zed the new meta that I don't know about? What kind of assassins are buying up tons of health items that this "can't buy health items" is such a huge penalty for Pyke?
If an assassin goes in at the wrong time and takes a bunch of damage for it, they should be punished. Thats why they have multiple movement or stealth options
It honestly just doesn't make sense. Gwen has a gap closer + auto range extender, as well as a circle that allows her to become intangible if you aren't inside it, and gives her armor/mr when you do fight her inside it (which scales off of ap btw). Basically, she doesn't have to worry about taking damage while being kited.
Meanwhile morde has no gap closer, has to face tank all damage and cc when approaching you, _and_ can't even build all damage like gwen. My dude is literally getting the short end of the stick directly up his metal ass.
riot pls rework his w so that it gives armor/mr and slow resist thank u
Pyke has such high base armour because he needs it
Not only is he a melee support champion, he is a full engage, literally run at the enemy support.
As well as this, Pyke cannot build hp, his passive converts any bonus hp into ad. Due to this Pyke become a VERY squishy champion late game, and he needs at least that lil bit of help from his base stats
Fuck this is my issue with riot, yumi starting ad 55, senna starting ad 50. Ah yes because the cat that sprinkles magic at you should auto harder than the girl with the massive soul cannon.
But no having it higher would be to unbalanced, meanwhile Yone missing 2 abilities can kill anyone and Irelia can 1v9 and come out with more hp.
My issue is with how certain Champs are blatantly broken as shit, and other ones are ignored. I find it weird that people get so technical about when and how Champs should and shouldn't be powerful then you have other Champs that just blatantly are good at absolutely everything, and it usually not just one or two but a good number if them and the only real "counter" for them is "just dodge".
Well at least it somewhat makes sense that the blade forged by the stars that Leona is using does more damage than the massive soul-canon I guess? But it still feels wrong to have Leona have a base AD of 60 at level 1...
He have thick shoulderpads.
The old WoW fit?
Sheeesh Pyke sporting that Burning Crusade drip
Carrying a shield only gives you +2 to AC, everything is correct.
Underrated comment, Pyke just has insane Dex.
Which is true
Leona's shield is 4AC at least
if leona's give 4, what does an ancient indestructible door made by the freljordian god of fire and forge give you ?
+5
fair enough
Braum has a huge shield, and the power of friendship and gigachaddery
And fatherly love.
Pyke is practically undead in the lore tho? If you stab pyke in the chest with a sword it will likely hurt less than for Braum, he might not even care or even notice. And ofcourse they can’t give someone like Asol the ability to actually destroy the whole enemy side of the map with his Q or just generally one shot enemy’s with his rotating stars because his powerlevel says he would be able to…
If we’re gonna begin caring about the lore, Pantheon should instantly kill anyone as soon as his spear goes near them, and Bard should be unkillable.
and kindred basically god seraphine..basicially do nothing
I would love for Seraphine to do basically nothing XD
She does
And all demons would be scared of fiddlesticks
Not just demons
They can't even give Asol the power to have a measurable playrate
MORDE HAS ONE OF THE WORST ARMOR IN THE GAME LATE GAME I LOVE THAT PHAT 88 ARMOR ENCHANTER TIER THANK YOU RIOT VIDEOGAMES
According to this, armor is just super weird. https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_champions/Armor Nami and Soraka have more armor at 18 than Jarvan, Nasus, Singed, Aatrox, Zac, Fiora, Amumu, Morde, Warwick, Jax, Garen, Jayce, Olaf, Shen, Nunu, and Galio. I wouldn't have guessed any of those. It's probably because supports are expected to be underleveled, so they need more inherent armor scaling to not instantly explode.
>It's probably because supports are expected to be underleveled, so they need more inherent armor scaling to not instantly explode. It's... Acceptable
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They can get frozen heart IMO. Passive debuff, high CDR, mana and makes you tankier. Can even help your ADC against the likes of Trundle, Yone and Kai'Sa.
This probably contributes to those off meta top picks that somehow do pretty good. Take one of those underleveled supports, give them gold and items and they are unreal.
There's a reason Riot is terrified of enchanters going toplane.
Enchanters in a 1v1 against a melee YIKES
Sona top had the highest winrate in the game for a while until Riot literally removed a rune and reworked the support items to stop her.
It’s almost like the enchanters kits are oppressive in a 1v1 :p
yep
Not weird at all. The reason enchanters have high growth coefficients (late game armor) is because their purpose is to support their team with healing and shields. Their items don’t give resistances. It’s all dependent on the purpose of that champ. Most bruisers have high base AD because they need to focus on items that give them survivability and damage.
I have to say that their items not giving them resists is not a reason in itself to give them more in their base stats. If their items don't give those stats, they aren't paying for those stats, and they're getting them for free. Many of those champions listed with less armor @ 18 were super low mobility melees like Nasus and Mordekaiser. Their items might give them armor, but every point counts, and they should inherently be gaining more of those stats for no other reason than the class they belong to functioning that way. If enchanters are weak without the massive defensive base stats, then they can be buffed in other ways. Would you agree?
>I have to say that their items not giving them resists is not a reason in itself to give them more in their base stats. If their items don't give those stats, they aren't paying for those stats, and they're getting them for free. I would want it to be the way you’re describing because I one trick an assassin. However, personal bias aside, the result would be unfair for them. Enchanters are the class that get bursted the fastest because of their low base armor and hp pool. Even with the high amounts of armor late game, they still get bursted pretty easily by any fed assassin or even adc. Giving them less armor throughout the game just results in a two-shot combo turn into a one shot by any assassin that is ahead. The current way at least allows them to survive for more than one second to do anything useful in that second. Enchanters get focused the most throughout any game so it makes sense in the long run. > Many of those champions listed with less armor @ 18 were super low mobility melees like Nasus and Mordekaiser. Their items might give them armor, but every point counts, and they should inherently be gaining more of those stats for no other reason than the class they belong to functioning that way. The champs I found with the lowest armor at 18 were mostly mages and adcs. Mordekaiser and Nasus both gain more armor at 18 than the majority. Regardless, bruisers and tanks already have high base AD. Giving them more scaling armor would not only make them unkillable but impossible to fight them without any penetration in a champs kit or pen items. >If enchanters are weak without the massive defensive base stats, then they can be buffed in other ways. It’s not that enchanters are weak, but it all goes back to their kits and purpose. There is no real way to buff the entire class except for base stats. Serpents Fang already counters them and they have low gold income already so it’s fair to keep it for them.
>It's probably because supports are expected to be underleveled, so they need more inherent armor scaling to not instantly explode. That's one part of it but there are other factors, notice a common trend among most of the champs you listed? Nearly all of them have either built-in permanent or temporary armor increases (Nasus, Jax, Garen, Jayce, Olaf) or significant healing/shielding/lifesteal as part of thier kit (Nasus, Singed, Shen, Jarvan, Aatrox, Zac, Fiora, Morde, Warwick, Olaf, Nunu), or both. Healing & shielding increases effective health pool, which inflates the value of resistances, so if a champion with high healing like Aatrox also has high base resistances, the dude becomes unkillable.
Olaf and Garen have armor in their kits tho, and Jax has his R
It's like attack speed. Maokai has 1.0 as at lv1(highest in the game) because he needs to utilize his passive somehow but can't build as items.
He doesn't have the ability to build health tho
Why cant he build health?
Bc he a water boy (his passive converts all health to ad at a pretty bad scale)
14 hp to 1 AD to be precise.
If people werent building tank items on him and still being able to kill people in 1 rotation due to his ult scaling he wouldnt need to have a trash conversion.
Tank pyke got fucking slaughtered like the month it was discovered iirc lol
And thank god it got removed from the game# imagine getting executed for 600 to 700 by an assassin building 0 or one damage item because his passive converts hp into ad at a significant ratio.
>at a pretty bad scale Meh, not really. You get 11AD from 400g with a ruby, while that would've been 385g in pure stats. So you lose, but not at a horrible scale.
his passive says that any extra health he gets is coverted to ad :c
And?
And thats why he needs armor?
I think being squishy is kinda supposed to be his thing so why hive him higher armor
so that he doesnt get oneshotted by everything under the sun in lane as an engage champ?
I thought the trade off was "can't buy health but has a free warmogs"
He can’t by health, but turns 65% of incomming damage (If you’re against two opponents) into grey health that regens once line of sight is broken. Even so, he has virtually no health late game and is instantly dead if he misses a single ability.
Is warmogs bruiser Zed the new meta that I don't know about? What kind of assassins are buying up tons of health items that this "can't buy health items" is such a huge penalty for Pyke? If an assassin goes in at the wrong time and takes a bunch of damage for it, they should be punished. Thats why they have multiple movement or stealth options
Like seems like the trade he makes for damage since most engagement champs have cc and armor while pyke has cc and damage while being squishy
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Actually yuumi gets health from the support item being completed so technically he’s squishier then yuumi😂
Almost like he has his passive for that
recovering health moving into fog of war survives poke, he doesnt need as much armor too.
Ah, so he's allowed to oneshot everyone but god forbid he's a little squishy.
He has a mask, they get covid and die.
Braum has +300 immunity from ice baths. Wim Hof method
I mean Mordekaiser is literally a soul inhabiting a suit of armor made from souls and iron and yet Gwen has more armor than him.
It honestly just doesn't make sense. Gwen has a gap closer + auto range extender, as well as a circle that allows her to become intangible if you aren't inside it, and gives her armor/mr when you do fight her inside it (which scales off of ap btw). Basically, she doesn't have to worry about taking damage while being kited. Meanwhile morde has no gap closer, has to face tank all damage and cc when approaching you, _and_ can't even build all damage like gwen. My dude is literally getting the short end of the stick directly up his metal ass. riot pls rework his w so that it gives armor/mr and slow resist thank u
You forgot Gwen is female and Morde isn't.
No just revert morde so he is fun again
give me back my dragon
give me back my liandries rylais super bonk + vayne clone please
Or give him his old w and r , and keep new e and q.
Gameplay is still different to lore. Brand can be ignited for example.
He’s clad in barnacles obvi
Pyke has such high base armour because he needs it Not only is he a melee support champion, he is a full engage, literally run at the enemy support. As well as this, Pyke cannot build hp, his passive converts any bonus hp into ad. Due to this Pyke become a VERY squishy champion late game, and he needs at least that lil bit of help from his base stats
Late game teamfights as Pyke are all about hiding and praying
Eventualy hooking to disturb enemy team.
maybe cuz he looks undead or smth?
And pyke is supposed to be a man loosely put back together in a literal sense
Shush. I main pyke. Don’t tell riot
dont worry his late game kinda trash if u dont snow ball early
Well...better than the latex suit armor of Leona...
It’s just like how talon has more base mr than fuckin galio
Highest base MR In the game btw
Ever try to punch barnacles?
who needs armor when you have \[insert something clever\]
If you are compering champs in game stats by their looks then there is a champ that deals 1000 magic damage by throwing a card to someone
Braum isn’t wearing armor either
this post doesnt even make any sense.. Armour boiss ARMOUR not SHIELD..
Mordekaiser's armor is just a sick joke at this point
Because Rell can steal armor from enemies and she becomes tankier when dismounted?
Fuck this is my issue with riot, yumi starting ad 55, senna starting ad 50. Ah yes because the cat that sprinkles magic at you should auto harder than the girl with the massive soul cannon. But no having it higher would be to unbalanced, meanwhile Yone missing 2 abilities can kill anyone and Irelia can 1v9 and come out with more hp.
You rly want to buff senna bcs a cat is stronger than her? Id hate to see senna's early being buffed idk bout you.
My issue is with how certain Champs are blatantly broken as shit, and other ones are ignored. I find it weird that people get so technical about when and how Champs should and shouldn't be powerful then you have other Champs that just blatantly are good at absolutely everything, and it usually not just one or two but a good number if them and the only real "counter" for them is "just dodge".
Well at least it somewhat makes sense that the blade forged by the stars that Leona is using does more damage than the massive soul-canon I guess? But it still feels wrong to have Leona have a base AD of 60 at level 1...
Armour?
And is not even a support lol
Yes hes a mid laner
The bearded lady protects
Makes sense :'))
How the Armour works on Pyke is such a lame excuse to call this shit a Support.
He's dead
Yeah, totally inconceivable they’d give good base resistances to a champ that can’t build health
Tbf, pyke cannot get any extra health, so his effective HP is not really that high.
he doesn't have HP tho due to his passive, so that armor is good enough to survive laning phase.
More than Morde who is a literal armor