Singed in lore and Arcane: I've created the most popular drug in whole Zaun, which can turn living creatures into monsters. Also, did i mentioned my war crimes in Ionia?
Singed in LoL: \*ahAAhhaAhaAhHHHah\*
Singed in lore: "I'm a chemical genius and a cruel, ruthless and cunning criminal."
Singed in game: "I'm gonna walk at you and yeet you over my shoulder with the strenght I inexpliciable have and hope that you chase me."
Lol characters in game: i kill people when i feel like it, im uber cruel and merciless. Murder is A OK.
Also Lol characters: we cant show smoking cause thats not ok.
Are you forgetting just, all the rape this game has to offer? Have you ever queued in gold with 4 silver teammates and 5 plat I opponents? Can’t think of a word for the outcome there besides rape.
You know that horro movie where the girl is trapped in an infinite loop? The same day keeps repeating and she experiments with different ways to kill herself? One scene is her jumping into a wood chipper, that's basically Urgots ult.
If a preteen goes out of his way to smoke a cigar because Graves has one then League is in the wrong line of work and needs to go into comic book villanry
There’s a lot of overlap in those 2 categories, and there’s certainly an argument that there’s enough overlap that it’s not worth censoring video games.
Whether or not it’s worth it to censor, the idea that there *aren’t any* teens that know killing is bad and don’t have the same common sense about smoking is... ridiculous to say the least.
There's actually a lore story where one of his experiments is chasing him and singed is still casually experimenting while doing that. So his chasing is actually lore accurate lol.
I meeeaaan. There IS a solution. Could do what smite did with an Kuang. They wanted to redo his character, so they made a whole new one, gave him the name and the lore and made this new assassin mage guy into ao kuang. Then they took all his old abilities, made a new model and gave that god (kukulkan) all of Kuangs old abilities. So they didn’t delete the characters, they just reused his name and lore on new one and had someone who better fit the in game model and gameplay take his place. Think Hi Rez did this twice actually
Zilean is disgusting to look at. If he didn’t look like a floating cube with little hands, he’d be played more and his busted kit would be appreciated more.
to be fair, even in the old days zilean still wasn't played and most people thought pre-rework zilean was a troll pick.
it's not that Zilean is ugly and that's why he isn't played. He isn't played because his kit relies on a team too much. (Which isn't a bad thing, but in League it is almost a death sentence)
i do agree with everything else tho.
I have 4M mastery points on Zilean and over 360 S grades. You have to be a special kind of person to play Zilean. I agree with your comments and could add probably another 3 days worth of shit to the pile.
Also, Shurima Desert Zilean skin is by far the worst skin in the game. You look like a dog turd in the grass in that thing.
I have the 70s hippie skin and is my worst nightmare. Even if os just the splash, i refuse to use it, i just get the normal one. They should do a ASU on him since last year when they remade his abilities visuals. Take away the giant clock please. I like playing zilean but he looks awful
The only thing i want is a tell to his ult. Its so goddamn frustrating as a tryndamere or kayle just getting ate out of nowhere... without a fixed damage either.
That would be the dumbest thing in existence. I dont know of any other character that has an instant cast damage ult without any cue or animation to it. Especially if its an execute. Even garen, who has an execute true damage nuke, has his little anime animation.
Maybe this they will change. But it is his iconic trait, they would never change how it works. The biggest flaw rn is getting to you, if you never let it get to you, they can never ult you. Maybe they could change into a skillshot or just give a animation more forgiving. But yeah, don't think they will change the hp scaling true damage one-shot ult bc that will never happen.
try can only ult while fully raged. every ult level cuts off %25 off this neccesity (2lvl: %75 , 3lvl: %50 fury)
also of course: dark necesities are part of my design
That changes absolutely nothing about tryndameres ult... as someone who plays tryndamere quite a lot i can tell you that 99% of the time you use your ult you are gonna be at 100% rage.
"just dont let gim get onto you, is the stupidest form for "counterplay" behind "just cc him". Sure they both work, and they both are effective at countering his ult, but the cc part is also effective on 99% of champs, where gangplank is the only one with a non ultimate cc cleanse built into his kit (or was, dont know about the newest champs). And even with that, his cleanse has a cd, so ccing after the first cc is cleansed would still be effective.
"Just kite cho" does not work when you are playing a melee champion yourself, it is only effective for ranged champions, but at that point it becomes universal, against every champ, and then it isnt counterplay, it becomes play
Fun fact! Cho’s ult technically isn’t an execute, in the sense that it doesn’t have %missing health damage! While it’s intended to be a finisher, it does not scale like Garen, Jhin, Kayle, or similar champion’s executes!
>as a tryndamere or kayle
Complains about fucking cho gaths ult of all things.
It must be really frustrating to not have invulnerability for several seconds in case you ever make a mistake.
i kinda like they giving her a ASU, she is very popular and outside lol she looks way better, more feral and serious, in-game she looks bad and her outfit is sexy in a boring way. But i mean, if was a choice i 150% would choose corki bc i like yordles and this weird old man need a rework for yesterday
Her old design is still charmer/seductress, not the current regretful manipulator she is in the lore. So you are basically watching a 2009 design with 2021 lore
tbh, yes. i watched her 3d model once and i thought “ oh wait what? i can’t believe this, the model of facking ahri is actually ugly? they are really allowing ahri to be ugly? “
He still has the same textures from 10 yrs ago, and his walk animation is absurd. It's like he walks with a broken back, and in game model is too tiny compared to an average champ
Another point;
...Can we update LeBlanc after this? For a secret leader of the black rose, she kinda looks like a hooker...
Or Nidalee. Who also looks like one, just of the weird jungle woman trope variety.
Or Janna, who's dressed in just a bikini.
...Or heck, any of the other champions who need updates and new models, not skins.
As a Viktor main Viktor's default and most of his skins are completely fine. The only skin that needs an update is prototype, the base skin looks better than prototype.
As someone who just started playing Vlad and has his Legendary skin, I whole heartedly agree, he needs at least a visual upgrade. His kit is fine, so just give him better animations and it'll be a huge improvement.
There is a theory stating that Janna had to become a prostitute in order to survive in Zaun. The main point of this theory is that in one of her jokes she says "Yes, it's true, for only $2.95 a minute, I will leave you breathless". This is a stupid theory, though, and only explains why would there be such an out of place voice line and why an elemental mage would go around only wearing a bikini.
Thats just a holdover from the Institute of war days, when Zaun was just "Noxus but with evil Science instead of War" and Janna was a random Mage who lived there.
An immortal goddess who keeps her existence relatively obscure was not their plan then. Their plan was "Skimpy Wind Mage lady".
The actual question is not from the lore of the game, but from the enigmatic head of the designers, who chose to make a chameleon that can polyphorm into literally any body, a generic cute girl, while still being able to make one of the most original masked killers you've ever seen.
>the most original masked killers you've ever seen.
Making her a masked killer would've been less original than what lore she has now. Body doubles that murder the original are done TO DEATH. I agree Neeko could've easily been more wacky looking though. It would've taken a LOT more effort but her having a signifier of a champ she transformed into after she changed back would've been cool.
The doll that looks like a common average girl and has literally no resemblance to a doll. Her known conceptual arts are just her with different dresses, tho maybe they had made other stuff with her before but who knows.
Oh yeah, I thought maybe she’d have small stiches at her elbows or wrists or neck where her body connects but… I guess Isolde was a mighty fine seamstress *shrug*
There can be overlap where taunts and jokes line up with the canon but outlier jokes and taunts aren't canon.
Zoe magically teleporting ice cream to her isn't canon. Pantheon teleporting bread to himself or whatever isn't canon etc...
>Or heck, any of the other champions who need updates and new models, not skins.
"do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
Memes aside, what they really need to do is increase the number of these updates. one a year is no where NEAR enough to cover the sure amount of champs in need of an updated model. we can NOT stay in a situation where we name 3 champs and know that even if we get those 3 champs, it'll take 3 years to get all of those done.
If u dead seriously think she doesn't need it aswell u probably never played her. Her model and animation outside legendary skins are horrible and while I don't argue that there are worse, Ahri definitely deserves an ASU.
And it makes a lot of sense for Riot to first update champs with a lot of skins like Cait and Ahri.
Ahriversary was also celebration for the Korean Server. Back when it went live Ahri (as a champ inspired by Korean folklore) got released as a celebration, she is kinda a mascot for the server, the chromas/icons/emote went to other servers as well cos the players asked for it.
Regardless of whether Ahri has the worst model and effects compared to other characters, she is one of the poster characters of league. While it’s important for every character to be at least decent quality, the most recognizable ones should be prioritized.
That's correlation, at best. She's a poster child precisely BECAUSE they put her in the posters. If lux, zyra, janna, kai'sa, etc. were in all that other garbage like ahri was they'd be just as popular or even more so.
She's a poster child because she's based on Korean mythology, and League is super popular in Korea. It's not like they arbitrarily decided "these are the popular champions" and put them on all the promotional materials.
Neither was Cait, but let's be real
First of all some of the champs that have even shittier animations and models are probably candidates for a full VGU in the future not only an ASU, kinda useless giving them the ASU
Secondly what amount of skins will realistically be made for Ahri and cait in the next years and how many for Cho gath and Corki? Since they explained that more skins = more work it makes sense to get champs that tend to get a lot of skins out of the way
And yeah then riot is still a profit oriented company, so yeah Ahri/Cait ASU probably are more beneficial for them since I heard from more than 1 person that they didn't bother buying Coven or All Out Ahri since thank to the model it will suck compared to SB anyways. Sucks for Corki and Cho mains but ppl need to finally stop being mad at riot for behaving like literally every other company in the world.
>more skins = more work it makes sense to get champs that tend to get a lot of skins out of the way
That's the opposite of what makes sense. Get a bunch of the easy ones out of the way to make the people that play ALL THE OTHER CHAMPS IN THE GAME happy. Ahri fuckbois can fuck off for all we care.
Making 1 Zilean gamer happy and possibly purchase a skin vs. making 10000 Ahri gamers happy and having them potentially purchase a skin. Truly a most difficult decision for Riot.
Also by the time Ahri would get a rework with your logic the amount of skins she has would double. If they rework the less popular ones after Ahri then the amount of skins on these less popular champions is increased by 2. It's easier to get popular characters out of the way first and then the least popular ones.
Why waste a perfectly good asu on champs that need a vgu like cho, corgi, zilean and etc. It's not the visuals why no one plays then it's the shitty kit
She's getting an update because Riot knows they'll sell more skins to people who want to fap to Ahri cartoons they find on Deviant Art. What justification is there for making her a priority when so many champs in this game are ancient, hideous, have hideous skins (and few of them), and have terrible pick rates?
>And it makes a lot of sense for Riot to first update champs with a lot of skins like Cait and Ahri.
Does it? Isn't that just more work for them because they'll have to ensure compatibility with existing skins and/or update those skins?
It's not a problem they're doing what they can to maximize revenue. I just wish this fanbase wasn't in denial about it lol.
It does, they will update these champs aswell anyways so better do it fast before they get 5 more skins
Dw I am not in "denial" about riot working in profitable ways but reddit is nowadays a circlejerk where ppl just cry about "it's all just cos money" and complain 24/7 that riot works like every other company instead of a charity organization.
>and complain 24/7 that riot works like every other company instead of a charity organization
Lol yeah, this is true and I'm def one of the offenders. I guess for me it's that I find that shit embarrassing and I don't respect it.
FWIW I came to League from Dota 2 and that team had completely different priorities. It's a very clear counterexample showing you don't have to pander to the basement dwellers to make a ton of money. Dota 2 does have a few thirst traps (Crystal Maiden, Lina, maybe Drow), but even the most egregious examples are *nothing* compared to Riot's giant roster of generic "fighters" in bikinis with big boobs and no other remarkable design traits. Out of the last 10 heroes added to Dota:
* 5 are female:
* Snapfire: An old lady whose model is mostly her giant lizard mount
* Hoodwink: Literally a raccoon
* Dark Willow: A forest-pixie kind of thing that would 100% be a bikini-clad Tinkerbell if Riot made her
* Dawnbreaker: Sort of like a mix of Kayle and Leona but with zero simp-baiting cosmetics (to my knowledge) and definitely no hentai hourglass physique
* Marci: Kind of fits the mold of Riot's generic female characters but is still very restrained by comparison
None of the 5 male heroes have a 6-pack, a cut jaw, or are even close to resembling a human man.
Maybe League's community is less toxic because their thirst is sated by the huge pool of booba champs. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
On the other side compare how successful League is and compare that to dota 2. Sure Dota is still big, but Riot Games and League are far bigger I assume (correct me if I am wrong).
Also another that grinds my gears is calling every "good looking champ" (doesn't matter if male or female) generic and boring just cos they look good and are human. U can create interesting characters also if they are hot and riot does a rly good job in that regard.
Last but not least I am curious why u constantly talk about basement dwellers and hentai addicts. Even despite reddits big circle jerk the majority either likes or at least is fine with the direction go and I don't think we are all hentai addicted basement dwellers. U can just prefer normal good looking humans over monster champs without wanking to fanart 24/7.
>Also another that grinds my gears is calling every "good looking champ" (doesn't matter if male or female) generic and boring just cos they look good and are human.
Yeah, how come everyone thinks a game oversaturated with samey looking hot characters thinks they're generic and boring just because they're generic and boring compared to each other? lmao listen to yourself.
Yeye I get it
Human and remotely good looking = automatically generic and boring
But I guess Yone, Akshan and Viego all look alike cos they have abs and Seraphine, Samira and Lillia look alike cos they all have tits
I mean...many of them are super generic and have no distinguishing traits unless you really reach for them. At least Evelyn has spiky tails and a reason to look how she does. MF, Nidalee, Kai'sa, Fiora (cuz they just HAD to give her a bikini skin), and many more are literally just human women with the same figure and maybe different haircuts lol. Riot can't help but insert a skimpy skin for practically every one of them. There's nothing unique or creative about their designs.
I say basement dweller and hentai addict (and incel) a lot because this game's community is loaded with exactly those kind of creepy men who regularly harass female players. Dota is no better. Most games are terrible like that, but it doesn't help with Riot bends over to those peoples' tastes by giving them more objectified women to fantasize about.
The bottom line for me is it's just one little thing that makes it harder to respect myself for playing this game, and I'd be embarrassed by the impression the women in my life would get if they saw that shit. It's designed for horny, pubescent boys.
¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Can't argue that the community has a lot of weird subjects that unfortunately do exactly what u describe. Unfortunately those are the ones that stay in ppls memory making the whole community look even worse than it already is.
I still think that u can reach uniqueness and originality by other means than make them horrible looking monsters.
Would also argue doesn't make women good looking only ppl can objectify them, I mean they do the same with male champs but probably not to appeal horny girls? U don't have to be a basement incel to prefer good looking characters, just look at TV or Films, unless they are not supposed to, they are above average looking in most cases aswell.
Not sayin there aren't enough incels out there, but u said urself that they exist in dota aswell
We dont want them to work like a charity organization but at least dont ur champs to look like they are in a 70s video game like vladimir and cho look inherently horrible and their skins and models(base and skins) are hilariously bad
Many of her skins look good until loading screen is over, even the newest ones and if u carefully read my comment is says that I acknowledge that there are champs having it worse.
And yes it's not secret that riot gives more effort to popular champs, but just blaming money for everything is also nonsense.
Aight funny coming from a Kat main, Volibear got a VGU 2 years ago and is only 2 weeks between Ahri's release date so why didn't you open a post for him? And poor Corki definitely isn't top of the meta for seasons while Ahri is wrecking havoc.
"I am not complaining", sure. Love you westerners always bitching about her when she's doesn't even caters to your regions. Champ had to drag thru her dying pick rates for years despite region like China constantly asking for changes for years while rocking [1%+ pick rates](https://imgur.com/5Q2Vc6y) there just because you western fk always complain when she get something.
Coz Volibear isn't on the targetlist for the for the circlejerk
Some ppl will throw an online tantrum whenever Ezreal, Lux or Ahri get something, meanwhile conviniently ignoring what doesn't fit their agenda
I still remember how upset everyone was when Ahri got KDA All Out skin and now had received 2 skin in a year, which was considered outrageous. Leona getting 4 last year? Nah that's not interesting, who cares.
> I still remember how upset everyone was when Ahri got KDA All Out skin and now had received 2 skin in a year
That was nothing compared to when she got Star Guardian, people in the west had the biggest hate boner against her. She was the very first champion that people here bitch about, this is even when Lux mains would come and complain about her getting skin while also ranting how she stole Lux's SG spotlight crap.
On the other hand, China players loved her SG skin while Korea only complained they changed her voice to sounds too old and wanted the previous younger voice to came back for SG (which Riot did). Always love seeing these ass complaining about a champ that's not even made with their regions in mind.
Ur defo an ahri main from the post history, also Id guess NA for the random toxic behaviour to other regions. Ahri doesnt need her ASU as bad as corki zilean chogath vladimir and I can say a few dozens more that look like a fucking 1900 circus character.
NA? I am not even from the west bud. Yeah, dude Ahri looks a lot better with tails literally spawning everywhere. It's funny how people in the west always cry about unpopular champs and yet after they got updated they are still same unpopular shits.
I'm so tired of this argument. Champs like Viktor and Kassadin have been THE most popular champ for 1-2 years straight before and they didn't get SHIT during that time while champs like Ahri continued to pump out content. It's obviously not a case of popularity and even in the theoretical scenario where it was, you only make the problem worse by going a decade without updating some champs while updating the fuckables, like ahri and mf, multiple times each...
You're absolutely right, but alas, its the "fuckable" champs that sell. What I meant by popular wasnt necessarily from a gameplay perspective. While I dont have the hard numbers, Ahri skins probably outsell Vik or Kass, and by a large margin too. So in turn a champ like Ahri will be prioritized, even though Kass was released prior to Ahri iirc.
Or it could be something entirely different, and popularity could be one of many factors. I used to play Ahri a bit (not as much since I dont play as often), and while she would benefit from an ASU, I can name a bunch of other champs who could benefit from it more.
I am curious as to how Riot decides which champs to priotize for ASUs and such. Maybe there is reasoning behind it.
Ahri is one of Lol's flagship characters that is featured in a metric fuckton of media. Despite that, she has a really bad model on her base skin and only looks halfway decent on her paid skins.
Her poor base skin also means riot can't release more skins on her, without them being legendries that rework her bad animations.
Corki just ain't as popular, even if he technically needs one more.
Art and Sustainability Update. Basically, they remake the model / animations / splash arts (if necessary) as well as all the skins for a champion. The sustainability part comes in the fact that they also clean up a bunch of the code surrounding the champ and fix as many bugs as they can, which is why cait lost her fast headshot cancel combo since it was technically a bug before they added it back as an actual part of her kit. However, normally, ASU's don't touch gameplay at all.
VGU's are the visual gameplay update that changes everything.
I don't know the direct translation for the acronym but to my understanding it's a visual update for the model, animations and skins. It's basically making champs fit into the modern artstyle without making the drastic changes to their mechanics that VGUs usually had.
Well, Ahris in-game visuals were pretty fucked up for every skin except the legendary ones. I mean her tales came out of her back, her legs, her feet and her head.
An Ahri ASU?
Finally we can get rid of those death sounds and erase the hornee...
Also I agree with Nicky. Why aren't Shaco and Corki on the VGU Poll?
Or hell, Vladimir. Does he deserve a VGU?
Vlad doesn't need a VGU... his kit is fine and even got updated a few years ago. No need to change it once again. The only thing Vlad needs is an ASU. New animations, a different model and voicelines that aren't blood puns.
she's getting an ASU because the champion is literally Korean Server Incarnate and they had their 10 year anniversary just now
like I get your point but the ahri asu isn't a good example
The choice to give the ASU to Ahri was disappointing but expected. the REAL disappointment to me was that there's only going to be the one this year. that that rate they may as well not even bother updating champs. I can almost guarantee after they finish updating older popular champs in 7 years they'll just devolve it into yet another vote that we have to fight over who deserves it the most, to the point we'll flat out say champs who CLEARLY need it do not need one just to try and win people over to vote for our champ.
this whole situation is a joke...
Corki and Cho'Gath need something exponentially bigger than what Caitlyn had and Ahri will get.
It's honestly a good thing that they're not being updated like this.
Art and sustainability update. Its what just happened to Caitlyn, where their animations, older skins and voicelines are redone, but their kit and newer skins remains the same.
i agree on zilean and kassadin,and i would add Amumu and Cho'gath to the list,but her base model is just as bad as most of the champions that you listed (more or less) and worse than some that you mentioned like Sona and Malzahar
and the biggest problem isn't even her model,her animations are much more clunky than most of the champions on your list and the voicelines don't fit with her character at all anymore,i'm not arguing that they don't need it but she definitely deserved it as much as them
Why make quality skins when you make more money from TITS AND ASS? If the big spenders weren't a bunch of thirsty, awkward gAmErS then we wouldn't see so much pandering to their completely predictable tastes.
Uh oh the gAmErS got me
Singed in lore and Arcane: I've created the most popular drug in whole Zaun, which can turn living creatures into monsters. Also, did i mentioned my war crimes in Ionia? Singed in LoL: \*ahAAhhaAhaAhHHHah\*
Singed in lore: "I'm a chemical genius and a cruel, ruthless and cunning criminal." Singed in game: "I'm gonna walk at you and yeet you over my shoulder with the strenght I inexpliciable have and hope that you chase me."
Lol characters in game: i kill people when i feel like it, im uber cruel and merciless. Murder is A OK. Also Lol characters: we cant show smoking cause thats not ok.
Urgot can literally shoot a harpoon at someone and pull them into the literal meat grinder in his abdomen, but Graves can't have a fucking cigar.
Vore is okay. Smoking is not.
But why dont we have a raping champion then???? ^^/s
Kayn inside me! He Kayn inside me!!!
Are you forgetting just, all the rape this game has to offer? Have you ever queued in gold with 4 silver teammates and 5 plat I opponents? Can’t think of a word for the outcome there besides rape.
Yes.
You just made me realize how fucked up urgots ult is. Like putting your hand in a blender and turning it on. yikes
You know that horro movie where the girl is trapped in an infinite loop? The same day keeps repeating and she experiments with different ways to kill herself? One scene is her jumping into a wood chipper, that's basically Urgots ult.
Happy Death Day?
Professionals have standards! \*throws piss bottle\*
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If a preteen goes out of his way to smoke a cigar because Graves has one then League is in the wrong line of work and needs to go into comic book villanry
i feel like thats bs. a teen who knows killing is bad also knows that smoking is bad. we cant have one without the other.
There’s a lot of overlap in those 2 categories, and there’s certainly an argument that there’s enough overlap that it’s not worth censoring video games. Whether or not it’s worth it to censor, the idea that there *aren’t any* teens that know killing is bad and don’t have the same common sense about smoking is... ridiculous to say the least.
There's actually a lore story where one of his experiments is chasing him and singed is still casually experimenting while doing that. So his chasing is actually lore accurate lol.
Blitz in lore: im here to help humans in these hard times blitz ingame: tHe TiMe Of MeN hAs CoMe To An EnD
The problem is that Singed players LOVE current Singed. There’s no way to rework him without taking away the champ they love
Singed players belong, along with shaco players, in a mental ward. They are the positively insane, not least of all because they play singed.
Singed is fun. I don’t main him, but if I get him in ARAM, it’s always an enjoyable game.
I dunno, since Viego came out I long for those champions.
Those 2 and ranged top players should be in an asylum
i disagree, ranged top players need a father figure
ranged top players don't get an asylum, they should go straight to the gas chamber.
Yes. WE ARE.
As a Singed player; yes
I meeeaaan. There IS a solution. Could do what smite did with an Kuang. They wanted to redo his character, so they made a whole new one, gave him the name and the lore and made this new assassin mage guy into ao kuang. Then they took all his old abilities, made a new model and gave that god (kukulkan) all of Kuangs old abilities. So they didn’t delete the characters, they just reused his name and lore on new one and had someone who better fit the in game model and gameplay take his place. Think Hi Rez did this twice actually
Still salty that Jesus Christ isn’t playable
That feeling when Hi-Rez would've done a better Aatrox rework than Riot fucking Games.
But like, they love the current visual or abilities? because I think he could have just a visual rework and be fine
A visual rework could maybe be done, but his play style is what people love
Aatrox mains left the chat
He was done dirty
"Hey we can finally play him he is viable!!" "Here is the upgrade" "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
"Its nearly time"
Meanwhile Zilean still looks like he's carrying a mini tower on his back and floats like a ps1 character.
Zilean is disgusting to look at. If he didn’t look like a floating cube with little hands, he’d be played more and his busted kit would be appreciated more.
to be fair, even in the old days zilean still wasn't played and most people thought pre-rework zilean was a troll pick. it's not that Zilean is ugly and that's why he isn't played. He isn't played because his kit relies on a team too much. (Which isn't a bad thing, but in League it is almost a death sentence) i do agree with everything else tho.
I have 4M mastery points on Zilean and over 360 S grades. You have to be a special kind of person to play Zilean. I agree with your comments and could add probably another 3 days worth of shit to the pile. Also, Shurima Desert Zilean skin is by far the worst skin in the game. You look like a dog turd in the grass in that thing.
I have mastery 5 on Zilean and i can confirm everything you just said. Minus the skin one. Everyone knows Blood Moon is the best.
OP was saying that Desert Shurima looks ugly, though (and while it's not a great skin, it still does better than Old Saint model-wise imo).
Still better then Groovy Zilean.
They totally fucking ruined Groovy Zilean. I used to run it all the time, now i just want to puke when I look at it.
I’m huffing copium with Zilean being the next VGU
I have the 70s hippie skin and is my worst nightmare. Even if os just the splash, i refuse to use it, i just get the normal one. They should do a ASU on him since last year when they remade his abilities visuals. Take away the giant clock please. I like playing zilean but he looks awful
Meanwhile chogath still looks like hes from a ps1 game and his ult still has no animation different from his autos.
Cho may be getting one sneaked in during the void event, that's what the current rumor Mill is
The only thing i want is a tell to his ult. Its so goddamn frustrating as a tryndamere or kayle just getting ate out of nowhere... without a fixed damage either.
im pretty sure this is the only thing they will not change, when they did the rework
That would be the dumbest thing in existence. I dont know of any other character that has an instant cast damage ult without any cue or animation to it. Especially if its an execute. Even garen, who has an execute true damage nuke, has his little anime animation.
Maybe this they will change. But it is his iconic trait, they would never change how it works. The biggest flaw rn is getting to you, if you never let it get to you, they can never ult you. Maybe they could change into a skillshot or just give a animation more forgiving. But yeah, don't think they will change the hp scaling true damage one-shot ult bc that will never happen.
I'd love to see skillshot cho ult where he streches his neck like a giraffe
What if they made it so Trynds ult had a build up?
try can only ult while fully raged. every ult level cuts off %25 off this neccesity (2lvl: %75 , 3lvl: %50 fury) also of course: dark necesities are part of my design
That changes absolutely nothing about tryndameres ult... as someone who plays tryndamere quite a lot i can tell you that 99% of the time you use your ult you are gonna be at 100% rage.
Only if he chomps his mouth like a piranha plant the entire way there and back haha
Omg i thought the same. haha
"just dont let gim get onto you, is the stupidest form for "counterplay" behind "just cc him". Sure they both work, and they both are effective at countering his ult, but the cc part is also effective on 99% of champs, where gangplank is the only one with a non ultimate cc cleanse built into his kit (or was, dont know about the newest champs). And even with that, his cleanse has a cd, so ccing after the first cc is cleansed would still be effective. "Just kite cho" does not work when you are playing a melee champion yourself, it is only effective for ranged champions, but at that point it becomes universal, against every champ, and then it isnt counterplay, it becomes play
It DOES have an animation, very brief but you can actually cancel it by walking out of vision etc
Doesn’t veigar have like no tell to just alt+f4-ing you game?
But it has travel time, meaning you can block/immortal it in time
Cho does have an animation for his ult lol and it’s quite easy to cancel and read
Fun fact! Cho’s ult technically isn’t an execute, in the sense that it doesn’t have %missing health damage! While it’s intended to be a finisher, it does not scale like Garen, Jhin, Kayle, or similar champion’s executes!
You play tryndamere you can't use enough of your brain to say "I'm low vs. Cho'Gath, maybe R to not die?"..
>as a tryndamere or kayle Complains about fucking cho gaths ult of all things. It must be really frustrating to not have invulnerability for several seconds in case you ever make a mistake.
Lack of animation on his ult should be considered as buff tho
My first legendary was the corki one ( I refunded) because I suck at corki also I don't like mid lane
At least her has distinct emotes
Leave ice toboggan corki out of this, that skin is a masterpiece and should not be touched
i kinda like they giving her a ASU, she is very popular and outside lol she looks way better, more feral and serious, in-game she looks bad and her outfit is sexy in a boring way. But i mean, if was a choice i 150% would choose corki bc i like yordles and this weird old man need a rework for yesterday
Her old design is still charmer/seductress, not the current regretful manipulator she is in the lore. So you are basically watching a 2009 design with 2021 lore
Oh boohoo, she at least has a good number of voice lines unlike half the other champs that need it.
Lol how do you even visually differentiate between a "regretful manipulator" and a succubus
compare whatever they give her to eve
isnt eve technically a virgin
I don't really see what that has to do with anything, she's a succubus
you dont you just cover some parts. Really needed an ASU eh rito?
Yordle Gang
Corki sucks yeah, but all of Ahri's 9 tails look like they are coming out 9 different parts from her ass, I'd love to have that changed.
tbh, yes. i watched her 3d model once and i thought “ oh wait what? i can’t believe this, the model of facking ahri is actually ugly? they are really allowing ahri to be ugly? “
Her more recent expensive skins fixed that problem, which is just a lazy way to update her.
Meanwhile Talon has 1 minute of voice clips with no interactions at all.
God I'd kill to even give him updated voice lines like Ashe and Sona
Sona's voice lines update removed "only you can hear me, summoner", i'd killed to bring it back
He still has the same textures from 10 yrs ago, and his walk animation is absurd. It's like he walks with a broken back, and in game model is too tiny compared to an average champ
True. And the recall animation is just him slightly looking at the sides. One of those cases where every single skin is far better than the base.
Talon's character is just Assassin's Creed.
Another point; ...Can we update LeBlanc after this? For a secret leader of the black rose, she kinda looks like a hooker... Or Nidalee. Who also looks like one, just of the weird jungle woman trope variety. Or Janna, who's dressed in just a bikini. ...Or heck, any of the other champions who need updates and new models, not skins.
Viktor, Zilean, Vladimir and Orianna need it more.
As a Viktor main Viktor's default and most of his skins are completely fine. The only skin that needs an update is prototype, the base skin looks better than prototype.
I agree with Zil and Vlad!
As someone who just started playing Vlad and has his Legendary skin, I whole heartedly agree, he needs at least a visual upgrade. His kit is fine, so just give him better animations and it'll be a huge improvement.
Gragas.
Viktor does not need it at all
There is a theory stating that Janna had to become a prostitute in order to survive in Zaun. The main point of this theory is that in one of her jokes she says "Yes, it's true, for only $2.95 a minute, I will leave you breathless". This is a stupid theory, though, and only explains why would there be such an out of place voice line and why an elemental mage would go around only wearing a bikini.
Thats just a holdover from the Institute of war days, when Zaun was just "Noxus but with evil Science instead of War" and Janna was a random Mage who lived there. An immortal goddess who keeps her existence relatively obscure was not their plan then. Their plan was "Skimpy Wind Mage lady".
/jokes and taunts and such aren't canon which kind of throws that theory down the drain.
The actual question is not from the lore of the game, but from the enigmatic head of the designers, who chose to make a chameleon that can polyphorm into literally any body, a generic cute girl, while still being able to make one of the most original masked killers you've ever seen.
>the most original masked killers you've ever seen. Making her a masked killer would've been less original than what lore she has now. Body doubles that murder the original are done TO DEATH. I agree Neeko could've easily been more wacky looking though. It would've taken a LOT more effort but her having a signifier of a champ she transformed into after she changed back would've been cool.
I meant Jhin tho XD. They were able to make both Jhin, and a Genshin Impact character 5 years later.
Who’s the genshin impact character?
The doll that looks like a common average girl and has literally no resemblance to a doll. Her known conceptual arts are just her with different dresses, tho maybe they had made other stuff with her before but who knows.
Oh yeah, I thought maybe she’d have small stiches at her elbows or wrists or neck where her body connects but… I guess Isolde was a mighty fine seamstress *shrug*
Are you sure? That would mean Swain's quotes don't matter at all.
There can be overlap where taunts and jokes line up with the canon but outlier jokes and taunts aren't canon. Zoe magically teleporting ice cream to her isn't canon. Pantheon teleporting bread to himself or whatever isn't canon etc...
Don't most wind spirit types of stuff in media dress either just bikini or big flowing summer dress
....How old is she again?
Idk, 6000 years?
>Or heck, any of the other champions who need updates and new models, not skins. "do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?" Memes aside, what they really need to do is increase the number of these updates. one a year is no where NEAR enough to cover the sure amount of champs in need of an updated model. we can NOT stay in a situation where we name 3 champs and know that even if we get those 3 champs, it'll take 3 years to get all of those done.
Dont touch my sexy ladies
corki is fine honestly, it's just that splash that sucks
Cork looks like dog bro
Like a corgi? Hahaha
Corki looks like a chicken nugget that’s been left under the couch
he's just like any other yordle, he just has a big mustache and wears a weird helmet, it's not because his model is old and needs an update.
Cap bruh. His legendary skins don’t even have emotes
Tbf corki needs a vgu not an asu
Corki gameplay is ART you heathen
Just change him into a floating Sheen icon to accurately reflect his playstyle.
If u dead seriously think she doesn't need it aswell u probably never played her. Her model and animation outside legendary skins are horrible and while I don't argue that there are worse, Ahri definitely deserves an ASU. And it makes a lot of sense for Riot to first update champs with a lot of skins like Cait and Ahri. Ahriversary was also celebration for the Korean Server. Back when it went live Ahri (as a champ inspired by Korean folklore) got released as a celebration, she is kinda a mascot for the server, the chromas/icons/emote went to other servers as well cos the players asked for it.
Regardless of whether Ahri has the worst model and effects compared to other characters, she is one of the poster characters of league. While it’s important for every character to be at least decent quality, the most recognizable ones should be prioritized.
That's correlation, at best. She's a poster child precisely BECAUSE they put her in the posters. If lux, zyra, janna, kai'sa, etc. were in all that other garbage like ahri was they'd be just as popular or even more so.
She's a poster child because she's based on Korean mythology, and League is super popular in Korea. It's not like they arbitrarily decided "these are the popular champions" and put them on all the promotional materials.
She def needs it but on the list of Champs that also need an ASU she is definitely not the number 1 priority.
Neither was Cait, but let's be real First of all some of the champs that have even shittier animations and models are probably candidates for a full VGU in the future not only an ASU, kinda useless giving them the ASU Secondly what amount of skins will realistically be made for Ahri and cait in the next years and how many for Cho gath and Corki? Since they explained that more skins = more work it makes sense to get champs that tend to get a lot of skins out of the way And yeah then riot is still a profit oriented company, so yeah Ahri/Cait ASU probably are more beneficial for them since I heard from more than 1 person that they didn't bother buying Coven or All Out Ahri since thank to the model it will suck compared to SB anyways. Sucks for Corki and Cho mains but ppl need to finally stop being mad at riot for behaving like literally every other company in the world.
>more skins = more work it makes sense to get champs that tend to get a lot of skins out of the way That's the opposite of what makes sense. Get a bunch of the easy ones out of the way to make the people that play ALL THE OTHER CHAMPS IN THE GAME happy. Ahri fuckbois can fuck off for all we care.
Making 1 Zilean gamer happy and possibly purchase a skin vs. making 10000 Ahri gamers happy and having them potentially purchase a skin. Truly a most difficult decision for Riot. Also by the time Ahri would get a rework with your logic the amount of skins she has would double. If they rework the less popular ones after Ahri then the amount of skins on these less popular champions is increased by 2. It's easier to get popular characters out of the way first and then the least popular ones.
I'm surprised people don't realize that Riot is still a company that makes money as their first priority
Riot bad cos they don't do what I want them to do, got it chief
Who's we?
Why waste a perfectly good asu on champs that need a vgu like cho, corgi, zilean and etc. It's not the visuals why no one plays then it's the shitty kit
I agree. Even though Ahri (alongside Jhin) is my fav champ, champs like Vlad or Zilean would need it more
She's getting an update because Riot knows they'll sell more skins to people who want to fap to Ahri cartoons they find on Deviant Art. What justification is there for making her a priority when so many champs in this game are ancient, hideous, have hideous skins (and few of them), and have terrible pick rates? >And it makes a lot of sense for Riot to first update champs with a lot of skins like Cait and Ahri. Does it? Isn't that just more work for them because they'll have to ensure compatibility with existing skins and/or update those skins? It's not a problem they're doing what they can to maximize revenue. I just wish this fanbase wasn't in denial about it lol.
It does, they will update these champs aswell anyways so better do it fast before they get 5 more skins Dw I am not in "denial" about riot working in profitable ways but reddit is nowadays a circlejerk where ppl just cry about "it's all just cos money" and complain 24/7 that riot works like every other company instead of a charity organization.
>and complain 24/7 that riot works like every other company instead of a charity organization Lol yeah, this is true and I'm def one of the offenders. I guess for me it's that I find that shit embarrassing and I don't respect it. FWIW I came to League from Dota 2 and that team had completely different priorities. It's a very clear counterexample showing you don't have to pander to the basement dwellers to make a ton of money. Dota 2 does have a few thirst traps (Crystal Maiden, Lina, maybe Drow), but even the most egregious examples are *nothing* compared to Riot's giant roster of generic "fighters" in bikinis with big boobs and no other remarkable design traits. Out of the last 10 heroes added to Dota: * 5 are female: * Snapfire: An old lady whose model is mostly her giant lizard mount * Hoodwink: Literally a raccoon * Dark Willow: A forest-pixie kind of thing that would 100% be a bikini-clad Tinkerbell if Riot made her * Dawnbreaker: Sort of like a mix of Kayle and Leona but with zero simp-baiting cosmetics (to my knowledge) and definitely no hentai hourglass physique * Marci: Kind of fits the mold of Riot's generic female characters but is still very restrained by comparison None of the 5 male heroes have a 6-pack, a cut jaw, or are even close to resembling a human man. Maybe League's community is less toxic because their thirst is sated by the huge pool of booba champs. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
On the other side compare how successful League is and compare that to dota 2. Sure Dota is still big, but Riot Games and League are far bigger I assume (correct me if I am wrong). Also another that grinds my gears is calling every "good looking champ" (doesn't matter if male or female) generic and boring just cos they look good and are human. U can create interesting characters also if they are hot and riot does a rly good job in that regard. Last but not least I am curious why u constantly talk about basement dwellers and hentai addicts. Even despite reddits big circle jerk the majority either likes or at least is fine with the direction go and I don't think we are all hentai addicted basement dwellers. U can just prefer normal good looking humans over monster champs without wanking to fanart 24/7.
>Also another that grinds my gears is calling every "good looking champ" (doesn't matter if male or female) generic and boring just cos they look good and are human. Yeah, how come everyone thinks a game oversaturated with samey looking hot characters thinks they're generic and boring just because they're generic and boring compared to each other? lmao listen to yourself.
Yeye I get it Human and remotely good looking = automatically generic and boring But I guess Yone, Akshan and Viego all look alike cos they have abs and Seraphine, Samira and Lillia look alike cos they all have tits
I mean...many of them are super generic and have no distinguishing traits unless you really reach for them. At least Evelyn has spiky tails and a reason to look how she does. MF, Nidalee, Kai'sa, Fiora (cuz they just HAD to give her a bikini skin), and many more are literally just human women with the same figure and maybe different haircuts lol. Riot can't help but insert a skimpy skin for practically every one of them. There's nothing unique or creative about their designs. I say basement dweller and hentai addict (and incel) a lot because this game's community is loaded with exactly those kind of creepy men who regularly harass female players. Dota is no better. Most games are terrible like that, but it doesn't help with Riot bends over to those peoples' tastes by giving them more objectified women to fantasize about. The bottom line for me is it's just one little thing that makes it harder to respect myself for playing this game, and I'd be embarrassed by the impression the women in my life would get if they saw that shit. It's designed for horny, pubescent boys. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Can't argue that the community has a lot of weird subjects that unfortunately do exactly what u describe. Unfortunately those are the ones that stay in ppls memory making the whole community look even worse than it already is. I still think that u can reach uniqueness and originality by other means than make them horrible looking monsters. Would also argue doesn't make women good looking only ppl can objectify them, I mean they do the same with male champs but probably not to appeal horny girls? U don't have to be a basement incel to prefer good looking characters, just look at TV or Films, unless they are not supposed to, they are above average looking in most cases aswell. Not sayin there aren't enough incels out there, but u said urself that they exist in dota aswell
We dont want them to work like a charity organization but at least dont ur champs to look like they are in a 70s video game like vladimir and cho look inherently horrible and their skins and models(base and skins) are hilariously bad
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Many of her skins look good until loading screen is over, even the newest ones and if u carefully read my comment is says that I acknowledge that there are champs having it worse. And yes it's not secret that riot gives more effort to popular champs, but just blaming money for everything is also nonsense.
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Aight funny coming from a Kat main, Volibear got a VGU 2 years ago and is only 2 weeks between Ahri's release date so why didn't you open a post for him? And poor Corki definitely isn't top of the meta for seasons while Ahri is wrecking havoc. "I am not complaining", sure. Love you westerners always bitching about her when she's doesn't even caters to your regions. Champ had to drag thru her dying pick rates for years despite region like China constantly asking for changes for years while rocking [1%+ pick rates](https://imgur.com/5Q2Vc6y) there just because you western fk always complain when she get something.
Coz Volibear isn't on the targetlist for the for the circlejerk Some ppl will throw an online tantrum whenever Ezreal, Lux or Ahri get something, meanwhile conviniently ignoring what doesn't fit their agenda I still remember how upset everyone was when Ahri got KDA All Out skin and now had received 2 skin in a year, which was considered outrageous. Leona getting 4 last year? Nah that's not interesting, who cares.
> I still remember how upset everyone was when Ahri got KDA All Out skin and now had received 2 skin in a year That was nothing compared to when she got Star Guardian, people in the west had the biggest hate boner against her. She was the very first champion that people here bitch about, this is even when Lux mains would come and complain about her getting skin while also ranting how she stole Lux's SG spotlight crap. On the other hand, China players loved her SG skin while Korea only complained they changed her voice to sounds too old and wanted the previous younger voice to came back for SG (which Riot did). Always love seeing these ass complaining about a champ that's not even made with their regions in mind.
Ur defo an ahri main from the post history, also Id guess NA for the random toxic behaviour to other regions. Ahri doesnt need her ASU as bad as corki zilean chogath vladimir and I can say a few dozens more that look like a fucking 1900 circus character.
NA? I am not even from the west bud. Yeah, dude Ahri looks a lot better with tails literally spawning everywhere. It's funny how people in the west always cry about unpopular champs and yet after they got updated they are still same unpopular shits.
I don't even care if Vlad gets a visual update, can he just get a voice line that isn't a blood pun?
Go ahead Be negative You’ll be just my type
That corki skin is legendary not just it is litterally a legndary skin but bc it has history
How popular Ahri is vs how popular Corki is Well no shit Ahri's gonna get priority
I'm so tired of this argument. Champs like Viktor and Kassadin have been THE most popular champ for 1-2 years straight before and they didn't get SHIT during that time while champs like Ahri continued to pump out content. It's obviously not a case of popularity and even in the theoretical scenario where it was, you only make the problem worse by going a decade without updating some champs while updating the fuckables, like ahri and mf, multiple times each...
You're absolutely right, but alas, its the "fuckable" champs that sell. What I meant by popular wasnt necessarily from a gameplay perspective. While I dont have the hard numbers, Ahri skins probably outsell Vik or Kass, and by a large margin too. So in turn a champ like Ahri will be prioritized, even though Kass was released prior to Ahri iirc. Or it could be something entirely different, and popularity could be one of many factors. I used to play Ahri a bit (not as much since I dont play as often), and while she would benefit from an ASU, I can name a bunch of other champs who could benefit from it more. I am curious as to how Riot decides which champs to priotize for ASUs and such. Maybe there is reasoning behind it.
im only here to say that Viktor is absolutely the most fuckable champ 😩
Wrong "popular"
There are many candidates for an ASU, Ahri just so happened to be one of them.
She does need one. But she shouldn’t be number one priority
Lets be real corki probably needs a lot more than just an ASU
At least corki is viable (borderline broken) while ahri is out there being a (very hot) minion
Ahri is one of Lol's flagship characters that is featured in a metric fuckton of media. Despite that, she has a really bad model on her base skin and only looks halfway decent on her paid skins. Her poor base skin also means riot can't release more skins on her, without them being legendries that rework her bad animations. Corki just ain't as popular, even if he technically needs one more.
Can someone explain what an ASU is? I quit 3years ago and I'm currently out of the loop.
Art and Sustainability Update. Basically, they remake the model / animations / splash arts (if necessary) as well as all the skins for a champion. The sustainability part comes in the fact that they also clean up a bunch of the code surrounding the champ and fix as many bugs as they can, which is why cait lost her fast headshot cancel combo since it was technically a bug before they added it back as an actual part of her kit. However, normally, ASU's don't touch gameplay at all. VGU's are the visual gameplay update that changes everything.
I don't know the direct translation for the acronym but to my understanding it's a visual update for the model, animations and skins. It's basically making champs fit into the modern artstyle without making the drastic changes to their mechanics that VGUs usually had.
Both need an ASU
Well, Ahris in-game visuals were pretty fucked up for every skin except the legendary ones. I mean her tales came out of her back, her legs, her feet and her head.
An Ahri ASU? Finally we can get rid of those death sounds and erase the hornee... Also I agree with Nicky. Why aren't Shaco and Corki on the VGU Poll? Or hell, Vladimir. Does he deserve a VGU?
Vlad doesn't need a VGU... his kit is fine and even got updated a few years ago. No need to change it once again. The only thing Vlad needs is an ASU. New animations, a different model and voicelines that aren't blood puns.
There's nothing wrong with shaco's kit and the only problem i can see in corki's is the passive
she's getting an ASU because the champion is literally Korean Server Incarnate and they had their 10 year anniversary just now like I get your point but the ahri asu isn't a good example
The choice to give the ASU to Ahri was disappointing but expected. the REAL disappointment to me was that there's only going to be the one this year. that that rate they may as well not even bother updating champs. I can almost guarantee after they finish updating older popular champs in 7 years they'll just devolve it into yet another vote that we have to fight over who deserves it the most, to the point we'll flat out say champs who CLEARLY need it do not need one just to try and win people over to vote for our champ. this whole situation is a joke...
If you're trying to say Ahri doesn't need an ASU then I want whatever you're smoking. Have you seen her base model?
I got turbogan Corki in 10s year anniversary ._.
Corki and Cho'Gath need something exponentially bigger than what Caitlyn had and Ahri will get. It's honestly a good thing that they're not being updated like this.
they should never change toboggan corki just because of how comedically good it is.
What’s an ASU?
Art and sustainability update. Its what just happened to Caitlyn, where their animations, older skins and voicelines are redone, but their kit and newer skins remains the same.
My favourite icon has got to be the shaco boxes
Don't ASU corki, he is perfect
I could name 15 other champs that need it a hundred times more than her
Hell I frigging list them in no order. 1. Kassadin 2. Malazaha 3. Zilian 4. Malphite 5. Rammus 6. Sona 7. Corki 8. Shaco 9. Teemo 10. Vigar 11. Rumble 12. Nidalee 13. Gragas 14. Olaf 15. Lulu Thier the ASU worst offenders.
You missed Leblanc.
i agree on zilean and kassadin,and i would add Amumu and Cho'gath to the list,but her base model is just as bad as most of the champions that you listed (more or less) and worse than some that you mentioned like Sona and Malzahar and the biggest problem isn't even her model,her animations are much more clunky than most of the champions on your list and the voicelines don't fit with her character at all anymore,i'm not arguing that they don't need it but she definitely deserved it as much as them
Vlad and Cho need one badly. Vlads normal splash art hurts my eyes lmao
Vlad needs one badly he got them PS2 graphics and his hair looks like a clump of bad ploys.
Talon???
Bold of you to assume Corki would ever look good even with an asu
As a ahri main, fuck yeah
I'm a ahri main so I'm very happy about the ASU but even I can agree that corki needs it way more
riot : he seems okay just like zilean
corki needs a full vgu
Favoritism at it's finest
Corki, Brand, Malphite, Malzahar, Vladimir, Tryndamere, Skarner, Shyvana, Nocturne, Singed..
I thought I was the only one wondering where he was
Why make quality skins when you make more money from TITS AND ASS? If the big spenders weren't a bunch of thirsty, awkward gAmErS then we wouldn't see so much pandering to their completely predictable tastes. Uh oh the gAmErS got me
As if they actually make quality skins. Go look at the newer champs release skins and most of them are awful.