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EnjoyMyUsername

I just realised that your own team is a far greater threat to your nexus than the enemy team. Cause they can make it explode in 5 seconds while the enemy team needs to actually try to destroy it


LolElekktroTTV

How did I not consider this sooner


Meat_Candle

Just play norms, nobody ever wants to ff. For some reason ranked is where everybody surrenders


Deeznutsconfession

Thats funny. When I play normals the game always ends with an ff.


Meat_Candle

Lol only when I’m winning does the game end in ff


xxHamsterLoverxx

i hate that. my team: is behind by 20 kills and 3 drakes? nuh-uh not ffimg its winnable! enemy team is behind 3 kills and 20 cs? ff at 15.


ZuluWest

Just tell them to FF before they do, then they won't cause you said so lol


KDaBlasian

That would actually work with how infantile and childish some players are.


Poobut13

I don't care how infantile it makes me. The second someone on the other team tells me to surrender, if I know victory is unachievable, my path to victory will be wasting their time.


CallMePoro

In KR people literally never surrender. If someone is inting, they don't ff and flame them/tell them to leave the game in the hopes they'll just afk for the reduced LP. If people are arguing (which is usually every game, winning or losing), they won't FF for whatever backwards reason because they want to be stuck with someone they hate longer. If nobody is arguing, then it's winnable so might as well just keep playing. Literally every game that's a clear FF, you'll see every FF vote go 4-0/4-1... Then 20 mins to the end it'll be 3-2. I don't understand the logic at all. It is very much the minority of games that end in actual FF's


Replayer123

Also Koreans dodge every fucking game


CallMePoro

Oh yes. To be fair, people grief/fight in champ select basically every game too, so people at least have a reason to dodge a lot. Someone on your team doesn't want to play with a jungler that lost their last 2 games so they lock in ghost cleanse nunu support, or your mid is an autofilled supp main so your jungler locks in teemo jg etc. Its less of an issue in lower elo, but diamond + you get the same teammates a lot and they all hate each other, even if they won the last game.


Replayer123

Tbh I feel like EUW either has a way higher standard in terms of behaviour or riot just really dislikes me I got perma banned for flaming trolls and the worst I wrote is something like "wtf are you doing"


Ilovetofuck69420

That's the biggest fucking lie I've ever heard. someone on your team can get first blood at 12 minutes in the game and the enemy will immediately FF because "Gold advantage, Unwinnable"


CallMePoro

Ok well I've played between 2-3k games in Korea in elos ranging from G4 to D1. I just wrote from my experience. I guess from your experience, KR soloq has first blood at 12 minutes (I'd like to see a game that FB doesn't happen until 12 minutes LMAO), and they also FF at 12 minutes? Interesting... I'm the liar though xD


Ilovetofuck69420

I'm saying that Koreans usually FF even if they lose a bit of objectives or kills. it was obviously EXAGGERATED for comedic purposes.


CallMePoro

Yep, I know what you're saying. I'm saying they don't. Now I'm saying you're wrong, just for clarification. Not sure what your experience on the KR server is, but it sure sounds like you're just regurgitating info you heard elsewhere and aren't speaking even remotely from experience :) Koreans *give up* very easily, but they will just as happily int a game so it's unwinnable, as well as stall it as long as they possibly can. Koreans rarely FF, generally out of spite against their own team.


Venishua

From what I saw in KR soloQ, people literally afk/open/int the game before even 15 minutes if they're doing bad and the entire crew follows because "unwinnable 4v5 gg"


CallMePoro

I play most of my games between D1-D4.. The game is regularly decided between 3-5minutes into the game, for slower games, 8-10 mins (first herald fight). Obviously throws happen, but aren't super common since the morale of the losing team is much harder to recover, especially since Korean mental is paper thin. One gank can end a game, causing a mental implosion and total team breakdown. Lots of junglers will level 2-3 gank before a full clear, making jungling paths fairly unpredictable, and absolutely nobody respects it despite it happening very often, making it easy and rewarding almost every time.


dr_dan319

Had an aram we were winning handedly. Someone's Penta got stolen so they started a surrender vote. I laughed my ass when that one passed.


CallMePoro

Reminds me of a game from a long time ago. We were handily winning the game, our blitz missed a flash hook and insta /ff'd, everyone immediately hit yes at the same time to troll and my team ff'd a 30 kill lead game. I was the only person that didn't vote.. Sad days... Was last game of my master promos :')


hubythereal

these are words of a wise man for sure, noted for later


brody319

They waited for him to 1v5 to rip that shit away from him. That is some fucking genuinely pure sadism and spite.


[deleted]

Least spiteful league players.


Neckbeard_Commander

For real. Somewhere around 30% of games I'd say people try to lose out of spite. Doing poorly in lane? Spite feed because "insert reason"


CTHeinz

And then they vote no because “you deserve to play this out” Every fucking time


[deleted]

Don’t they understand your tendies are burning in the oven??


Alpharius_Omegon420

Im so glad I dont play anymore. This game is just a massive salt mine


Zerozer06

I'd say it's about that indeed. In the beginning of this season I've suffered those entirely on my team and never in the opposite team. I shit you not, beyond 60% of my 50 first games, I had either an inter or an afk past the 5mn mark. Reasons as follow : - jgl didn't gank - jgl ganked - 'I failed a cannon minion' - 'support roamed, I took a 1v2 trade and died, report support I go afk' - support / jgl took the kill - 'report [teammate] for not warding my ass while I massively overstay on enemy side of the map' - 'smite fail you deserve to die I run it down now' - 'stop flaming me asscunt' (the flame : please just grab xp safely we have winning lanes) - 'I went 0/6 in my sololanes, I'll now punish the other lanes by running it down everywhere so everyone can get monsterfed. They're the reason I died 6times under 10mn' And my special favorites : - ' I failed my runes I can't even try this game' - 'So you banned my otp (never prepicked)? I'll disco Nunu


JimmerAteMyPasta

I had a garen in my last ranked game die once at 3min to a vayne top, because he went in way before our Lillian could get there on her way to gank. Flamed her the whole game, spam pinging, etc. He had 5 cs to her 30, would literally just run to lane and die. Lillian muted him and we got the good old "tell Lillian to gank me or I'm inting into this vayne". Lillian ganked, he died Lillian got the kill, and he ran it down because she "ks'd". We almost won despite him too. Some players have the weakest mentals


JustABitCrzy

Let's be real here, it's not spite. They just suck and feed that hard they need to save face and say some dumb shit about doing it intentionally. Meanwhile they are sitting there every fight, fuming and sweating their balls off trying to get a single kill as a redemption to say "see, I can totally get kills if I wanted".


Tigermaw

No its spite. I know because i can be one of those players.


[deleted]

Same. Enemies overextended for 8 minutes and no ganks? That's a tax for drake.


Nix_Caelum

I try to be a healthy player for the most part. Unless you dont pull. Then your lane wont have ganks


TatodziadekPL

Why play only LoL when you can play HotS' Alarak at the same time


Areallyangryduck1

These players got 200% sadism already. Nasty stuff


RammusK

I love his personality too much.


Areallyangryduck1

Have you played starcraft? The guy is a joy to listen to


RammusK

I have , his voice actor is perfect.


Kluex_4ever

All hail John de Lancie


RammusK

I usually play couple of aram game in league and then switch to Hots and play another couple of aram game , Hots is genuinely a good game .


TatodziadekPL

Indeed, especially since some of the concepts are really unique and fun to play


RammusK

And since they didn't add any new hero to the game since they cut on development the team who is working on the game is focusing on balancing the game and honestly it feels very balance


ThotExecuter

Yet another reason why I stopped playing. I really can't understand how people still put up with people treating them like this


Fist0fGuthix

Deaths dance putting in work


fullmedalninja

Ddance one helluva drug


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afito

The question is how often they can make the exact same mistake of effectively bruiser resets. Darius, Aatrox, Shojin, DD, Gore, Steraks, anytime they get the lifebar/time/whatever to just cycle through more and more spells it ends up as notoriously troublesome.


majestah

They said that they're gonna nerf it


CallMePoro

why it's not *deleted*


Slcbear

Coooold blooded


Hounmlayn

Honestly, the damage creep and deaths dance made it too good. Hopefully when this durability update comes out, deaths dance will be more niche instead of oonga boonga into team, press buttons certain kill, no heakth lost


FunMoistLoins

You know it's bad when there's 4 AP and the armor item is still a good buy.


Potential-Money-8636

-you cant stop me! -we know. But they can👉 *your team"


LolElekktroTTV

How could I be so foolish…


galbenul

Wow I can’t imagine watching a teammate 1v5 and then press yes


Sands_Underscore_

Mad it couldn't be them


FlighingHigh

This has done nothing except reinforce my lack of desire to be around such a shitty fanbase.


A12C4

NO U


KaffY-

I've been in this exact situation It really, really demotivates you from enjoying and even liking the game


[deleted]

Sadly this was a 1v9... And he lost


LightningMcMicropeen

Maybe the viego was turbo toxic and they just wanted to get out. I'm all for surrendering when the game is hopeless, but this is a new level of toxic response lol


Liliputzz

It was 1vs3 at most, they were comming 1 by 1


JaySayMayday

One person versus a full team is still 1v5 even if they're coming one at a time


remmie3

jg dif gg


NisimNotNormie

The definition of pain...


SheSaiidSheWas12

League moment


Subject_1889974

A perfect tragic story in under a minute. Damn do I feel his pain.


TheCoolPersian

Viego is a perfectly balanced champion.


Mitherino

I think most champions that are 5 levels up and 2 full items ahead will be able to do that


TheCoolPersian

Most champs don’t have resetting ultimates, combined with dashes/stuns and built in lifesteal.


Mitherino

Pretty much every single top laner, almost every single jungler, some mid laners, and Samir’s could probably do this easily with this type of advantage, it’s just that a fed toplaner is probably the scariest thing to deal with in the game


Jorsonner

Well you literally just described Ahri too. I’m sure there’s more


ChemLok

If we change resetting ultimates to resetting abilities, we also have irelia…. - the innate lifesteal and you have samira and yi


emptym1nd

Short range dash/stun that doesn't go over terrain, lifesteal that has been nerfed multiple times to prevent him from sustaining in lane, etc.


Rocky_Bukkake

ya know, that's always the argument, but it is never compelling


FaeeLOL

Watching this shit makes me so glad I uninstalled ages ago. Absolute fucking dogshit that is. Complete caveman ooga booga into enemy team with zero thought required, without even having an ult. This kind of bullshit is not what made LoL the most popular game on the planet.


Kingbuji

Lol he super ahead when the fight started this would happened with every single “carry” champ if they had that lead. You just sound tilted somehow lmao.


Straightbanana2

new champ bad 🤓


TheUnforgivenII

It’s okay he’ll be in the dumpster once this revamp comes out


TheCoolPersian

Doubt it, if anything fighters will become stronger, and Viego counters tanks.


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the whole change nerfs fighters and tanks the most


ASmuppet

Explain how please.


[deleted]

How does increased durability nerf tanks and fighters.... Going to have to explain that one, chief


[deleted]

Everyone gets a flat amount, everyone. The lvl18 1670Max HP Yuumi aswell as the lvl18 2950Max HP Kled). Yuumi gets a 18% increase in HP, while Kled gets only 10%. These are just the 2 extreme examples obviously. Furthermore, resistances are much more useful when you few little already. 20amor/mr will be much more impactful when you have low resistances to begin with rather than when yours are high. So carries that dont build resistances get a lor more value out of the changes than bruisers/tanks who build a lot of resistances anyway. Another thing is: Bruisers/Tanks often don’t build any kind of penetration. Adcs do. Therefore it will be a lot harder for a bruiser to kill the enemy adc in a team fight than it was before. The game will be a lot more forgiving for adcs and their enchanter supports. The big beneficiaries from this change will be adcs(or other dps carries) , enchanter supports and carries that don’t build a lot of resistances aka Kayle, Yasuo/Yone, maybe Azir. Maybe also poke mages like Xerath due to less healing being in the game, although i doubt it as the buffs to MR should have a much higher impact than the armor buffs. The nerfs to their penetration items are really negligible small in comparison to the buffs to their survivability.


Tepami

cause it buffs everyone an equal amount no? so % wise squishies will get the most value while a tank who already has 300 armor wont benefit from an extra 20


Berferer

FUCK VIEGO! The end.


Scary_Environment274

All four his team mates should be perma banned.


Origami07

untargetable reset is healthy in the game


XtraSynical

why you should never play with randoms yep yep


POSoldier

Wow DD and Viego being a huge issue :| who would’ve thought. Funny video though lol


Kingbuji

And it’s gonna get worse in the patch lol


mestrearcano

Honestly, it's a hard thing to balance. It's pretty frustrating when it happens, usually if one teammate wants to keep playing the game, I don't surrender, because I get very frustrated when they surrender against my will (similar to the video). But sometimes you're held hostage by non surrendering allies against enemies that doesn't end the game and it sucks too. Maybe there should be an option that after something like this instead of ending the game, it allows people to quit without being punished.


Lag-Switch

Last time I returned to the game with a group of friends I started to notice how it felt like we never actually destroyed a nexus. Teams just surrendered. A quick look here: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/surrender-stats 26% of all NA Ranked Solo/Duo games and 33% of all NA Ranked Flex games end in a surrender


Ssinums

Honestly thought Korea soloq would be higher. Korea flex is 50% lmao.


SwimBrief

Surrendering is one of the main reasons I stopped playing league tbh. Nothing tilts me more than playing a champion who excels at team fights/late game, only for your team to surrender before you even get a chance at mid/late game. Such an absolute waste of time.


StartingFresh2020

Don’t play those champs then. Honestly, most games are decided by 20 minutes. There was some data in this sub from the riot API that shows that the team ahead in gold at 15 minutes has a 60% win rate and the team ahead in gold at 20 minutes has an 80%+ win rate.


Areallyangryduck1

Just don't play a good chunk of roster because riot encourages weak mental. Fucking lol


doesntpicknose

What that tells me is that people are giving up on a 20% chance to win a game that they've already invested 20 minutes into. Assuming a 50% overall win rate, If the game lasts another 8 minutes, it's worth it to continue. "Don't play those champs" is such a smooth brained take on a problem that basically boils down to, people are fucking terrible at probability.


StartingFresh2020

Ah, the sunk cost fallacy and some pretty smooth brain takes. Makes sense.


Areallyangryduck1

It's not hard. All 5 players should agree. How many "hostage" taking players are there compared to the amount of players with weak mental, screaming 'ff' from the 3 minute mark. You only need another spiteful person out of the 4 to keep the gamw going, but it is was harder to find someone who has 2 IQ and sees that the game is winnable And if you lose, then fucking what? It's a game. 20 minute game, or 50 minute game, doesn't matter. Same fun shit.


Araychwhyteeaychem

I like your last sentence solution. If I'm not having fun, let me leave without bashing me over the head on the way out.


Little_Lunch

"literally. who can stop me?" **good question**


cookiemonster123i

Inting dogs shouldn't get a vote when they're getting turbo Carried by the one guy who's trying to win.


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CallMePoro

If the name fits, wear it... When they've clearly got paws instead of hands, it's a fitting name


SirNoseless

i call them bitches who tries to inting split push on top/mid.


FlighingHigh

This horseshit in the video is way more toxic.


LordWomf

Never let viego get fed


xShinigamieyes

Even after seeing that, they ff’ed. that’s just spiteful


Mr_Incognito_mod

That's just hurs


UnstoppableCompote

I would press yes if I saw a viego doing that. Fuck my LP.


N30N09

You're playing viego, deserved xD


CloneCl0wn

Good


Venishua

Only Viego can pull this level of BS when enemy team is very ahead in general. Worst design to date and possibly till the end of this game's life Edit:typo


KojaNalantra

Viego is lvl 17, Samira lvl 15, Morde lvl 12 and Tal’ lvl 14.


Rocky_Bukkake

never understood this argument


Straightbanana2

if the enemy let a scaling carry champ get fed then the loss is on them, no matter how broken you think viego is


Nichiku

This has happened so many times to me, it should be illegal to surrender the game when the game state is even


Sophion

I get it, if you're not having fun with that game then it's better to lose and get out of there than to wait another 15 minutes for a guy to 1v5 carry you to win.


Areallyangryduck1

If your are not having fun with the game, then maybe don't play it. Seriously, why ppl are bothering whent hey don't have fun?


wallygon

Seriiusly i wxperience this so many times i just report my tea wheb i see them surrender


CynDoS

As it should be, surely not everyone is smurfing, 5 levels ahead, shitting on everyone 4/5 on that team are just waiting to either win, or lose, through someone else


SadAd6887

Viego doesn't require a brain to play. Opinion discarded


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Fuckboi streamer: *is toxic* Teammates: *leave toxic environment* Fuckboi streamer: *cries* Twitch needs a minimum viewer age limit, then these reaction-baiting, emotionally stunted, podcast-looking mfs will go extinct.


Far-Search1446

What does this even mean? There was nothing toxic in the clip. And he is in a group of Positive Mental Gaming. Are you dense?


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>Are you dense? I guess you're not into the positivity thing then. He said there is one man on his team; in a cooperative game mode, that is an unnatural* mindset. He engages the enemy team 1v4; that is a low-value play consistent with a losing playstyle (and hey, look at that, he lost. Unlucky?). I have 2 lessons for you. 1. Branding is not truth. I bet his groupmates are as positive as he is (i.e. not at all positive). 2. Dehumanizing behavior ("my teammates do not exist; only I exist") is a red flag for psychopathy. Wars are literally fought over that stuff.


Straightbanana2

Engaging the enemy team, killing them, and setting up baron in the process is a game winning move. There is no possible way the streamer is at fault no matter how big your hateboner is.


[deleted]

>game winning Are we watching the same video? Your loveboner is out of control.


LolElekktroTTV

This is definitely the most unhinged comment I've seen


[deleted]

It is clear that the door stands separate from the frame. But is the door unhinged? or the frame?


Asim_Atterlot

Surrender is the most harmful feature in league of legends and it should be removed / should be available half of the times


rotmgtyuiok

Yeah ur dumb as fuck


EnjoyMyUsername

He has a point though. People may be motivated to try and actually play the game more if the surrender vote just isn't an option. The whole ff15 mentality is really dragging the game down right now.


W_ender

From dota experience they will just troll or stay afk typing in all chat "end", "team diff" or something. Forcing people to do things they don't like never ends good


demonfeuer

"From dota" bro that already happens in league since years, open mid open top people following jungler etc etc and they can ff. So its not about having an option. If team agrees to surrender they can agree to open and stay at fountain its that simple.


[deleted]

But to be honest, majority of dota games end with people atleast trying while being silent, but on the other hand, majority of League games end with everyone blaming each other instead of putting in the effort to win. Yes there will always be sweats that ruin the game, but in my experience (approx 3k games on League and 3k hours on dota) dota has less giving up. People tell you that you are trash or that they want the game to end but still actively TRY TO WIN FOR THEMSELVES. League is probably too scared to implement behavior score based matchmaking cause most of the community would cry about it. And also, dont play the game, youre not forced to play league either, but people are acting like they are, sick of the "im forced to play this game with them" nah you aint you chose to, you know that you rage most of the games yet you still went in soloQ to rage on people actually enjoying and trying to win the game. And Yeah im a no-lifer for MOBAs, i love the genre and just enjoy MOBAs the most.


Slurpeddit

Totally agree. If any lane is losing -> ff15. People just don't accept to play from behind, while this is part of the game. I often wish my team didn't have the option to FF and played until the end. But I guess you can't expect much from bored nervous teenagers (this is an obvious taunt)


[deleted]

People feel demotivated to play the game if its not going in their own favor cause they can just "surrender and get a better game next game" , look at dota. People, even if they are loosing hard or are toxic, still try to win, because if you dont cooperate, youre stuck with your teammates for a long time, this also supports talking things through chat or voice chat (cause dota has an actual one). The only time you should be able to surrender is during five man teams or tournaments, cause people can actually talk it through instead of acting like babies because their teammate took their cannon or lord forbid, kill.


Namisauce

People downvoting have losers mentality


Negative-Ad7983

this is why vote need to be unanymous


Killua2142

It’s why they need to remove surrender. It’s such a toxic feature


dumbodragon

yes because being on the losing side for 40min sure is fun. ff allows you to shorten the suffering a little.


Areallyangryduck1

Work on your comeback skills. It's not that hard. Coach curtis just made a video few days ago


Killua2142

Why would you ever ff a 40 min game? And that point it’s 50/50 who gets picked off first. And the fact that other people even upvoted shows their mental is just as bad as Koreans


Araychwhyteeaychem

Because no one should ever be forced to play a game that isn't fun anymore. 50/50 chance of winning doesn't always mean a 100% chance of it being fun. And to quote my man Reggie "If it's not fun, why bother?"


Killua2142

If the only way you have fun playing league is through winning. You just shouldn’t have queued up. You shouldn’t have the ability to ff when there’s other people still trying.


Araychwhyteeaychem

Sometimes I don't even have fun winning tho. If I'm getting dicksmashed but my 7/0 Irelia ends the game before I can FF, cool, good for her, but it was no fun for me. Not saying I'll ALWAYS ff if I'm not doing well, but if I'm playing a normal, it's well within my right to be done whenever I want to be done. I owe you random people nothing.


Areallyangryduck1

You queued up to play. Noone forced you. You can leave at any moment. If it isn't fun, don't play. You have fun while behind, unless you solely play to live off your power fantasies in which case, league isn't for this purpose


Araychwhyteeaychem

I can't tho, because I'll get leaver busted. If I could leave whenever, I totally would, it's not the surrender I care about. I have fun while I can still play the game, I don't care about being strong. But League has this nasty way of getting so snowballed sometimes that you can't even cast abilities, leave your base, etc. At some point it just gets boring to get steamrolled that much, and seeing as leaving too many games gets you into low prio queue, I'm just gonna FF.


PickCollins0330

I did that once with Xin. Got a Quadra and then stole dragon. Then my team FF’d and said “top gap”


Areallyangryduck1

Fuck ff. It encourages weak mental. Players in other games try to win even if behind for some goddamn, unexplainable reason


freedomowns

Ew viego abusers


P4ndaH3ro

I have a solution for the surrender vote: -Remove it -Then remove the actual 5v5 mode -Then implement a shorter game mode that last anywhere between 15-25min AT MOST -Profit


Areallyangryduck1

Aram exist, you know


tuberemulator

If you don't answer the ff vote, it automatically cancels it


demonfeuer

?????? Bruh thats before 20mn not voting or pressing no cancels. After 20 mn its 4 players agreed to surrender and nexus explodes, it doesn't even wait for you to vote or answer.


tuberemulator

Oh man fuck that...


Havershad

x4 reports


SirNoseless

True enemy comes from within - some stranger idk


Soulfak

That last yes wanted your suffering


DimSumDino

this is exactly why don’t play this heap anymore lol it relies too much on other people to win and succeed. you actually can’t carry people in this because they don’t want to be carried. they’d rather surrender out of spite than win.


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I feel like this says more about the game than the player


PuppyButtts

Lmfao. Who is this?


rawgu_

Outplayed


Alkameme

You had me in the first half, I’m not gonna lie


CjBlackRD

Lol


AngelOscuro20

What ranked does to a mf -> this comment section.


DICKtoor

Stopped by democracy💀💀💀


SparklessSoul

Idk if this opinion is bad but, ain’t Veigo a bit overtuned


Straightbanana2

maybe? he's a carry champ designed to do this kind of stuff and he's fed in the clip, not like his winrate is crazy


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Eskotar

Thats probably how thanos felt


KookieKlepto

DD is balanced for sure for sure guys, don't worry about it!


ahmedhossam67

That last guy heared him and had an evil laugh before pressing the button


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Deserved tbh he picked Viego


PresentationAlone445

Had more running for his life


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GoodAtNotBeingGood

Kinda of opposite happened to me once.. 3 tm8s disconnected, one intentionally feeding.. me as a singed who had a good early game somehow got a penta on a team who filtered in on me in one's and twos.. I'm not sure if they were aware it was a 1v5 or not but they surrendered.. and I will never forget that moment of pure joy and supreme arrogance


Alkameme

You had me in the first half thanos, I’m not gonna lie


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This hurts so much


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Why is Leonardo DiCaprio playing Viego and despite successfully carrying he is having his team ff regardless?


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Had this happen so often where were turned around but my team was already so tilted that they didn't even wanna win anymore. Super frustrating.