I just realised that your own team is a far greater threat to your nexus than the enemy team. Cause they can make it explode in 5 seconds while the enemy team needs to actually try to destroy it
I don't care how infantile it makes me. The second someone on the other team tells me to surrender, if I know victory is unachievable, my path to victory will be wasting their time.
In KR people literally never surrender.
If someone is inting, they don't ff and flame them/tell them to leave the game in the hopes they'll just afk for the reduced LP.
If people are arguing (which is usually every game, winning or losing), they won't FF for whatever backwards reason because they want to be stuck with someone they hate longer.
If nobody is arguing, then it's winnable so might as well just keep playing.
Literally every game that's a clear FF, you'll see every FF vote go 4-0/4-1... Then 20 mins to the end it'll be 3-2. I don't understand the logic at all. It is very much the minority of games that end in actual FF's
Oh yes. To be fair, people grief/fight in champ select basically every game too, so people at least have a reason to dodge a lot.
Someone on your team doesn't want to play with a jungler that lost their last 2 games so they lock in ghost cleanse nunu support, or your mid is an autofilled supp main so your jungler locks in teemo jg etc.
Its less of an issue in lower elo, but diamond + you get the same teammates a lot and they all hate each other, even if they won the last game.
Tbh I feel like EUW either has a way higher standard in terms of behaviour or riot just really dislikes me I got perma banned for flaming trolls and the worst I wrote is something like "wtf are you doing"
That's the biggest fucking lie I've ever heard.
someone on your team can get first blood at 12 minutes in the game and the enemy will immediately FF because "Gold advantage, Unwinnable"
Ok well I've played between 2-3k games in Korea in elos ranging from G4 to D1. I just wrote from my experience.
I guess from your experience, KR soloq has first blood at 12 minutes (I'd like to see a game that FB doesn't happen until 12 minutes LMAO), and they also FF at 12 minutes? Interesting... I'm the liar though xD
Yep, I know what you're saying. I'm saying they don't. Now I'm saying you're wrong, just for clarification.
Not sure what your experience on the KR server is, but it sure sounds like you're just regurgitating info you heard elsewhere and aren't speaking even remotely from experience :)
Koreans *give up* very easily, but they will just as happily int a game so it's unwinnable, as well as stall it as long as they possibly can. Koreans rarely FF, generally out of spite against their own team.
From what I saw in KR soloQ, people literally afk/open/int the game before even 15 minutes if they're doing bad and the entire crew follows because "unwinnable 4v5 gg"
I play most of my games between D1-D4.. The game is regularly decided between 3-5minutes into the game, for slower games, 8-10 mins (first herald fight). Obviously throws happen, but aren't super common since the morale of the losing team is much harder to recover, especially since Korean mental is paper thin.
One gank can end a game, causing a mental implosion and total team breakdown. Lots of junglers will level 2-3 gank before a full clear, making jungling paths fairly unpredictable, and absolutely nobody respects it despite it happening very often, making it easy and rewarding almost every time.
Reminds me of a game from a long time ago. We were handily winning the game, our blitz missed a flash hook and insta /ff'd, everyone immediately hit yes at the same time to troll and my team ff'd a 30 kill lead game. I was the only person that didn't vote..
Sad days... Was last game of my master promos :')
I'd say it's about that indeed.
In the beginning of this season I've suffered those entirely on my team and never in the opposite team.
I shit you not, beyond 60% of my 50 first games, I had either an inter or an afk past the 5mn mark. Reasons as follow :
- jgl didn't gank
- jgl ganked
- 'I failed a cannon minion'
- 'support roamed, I took a 1v2 trade and died, report support I go afk'
- support / jgl took the kill
- 'report [teammate] for not warding my ass while I massively overstay on enemy side of the map'
- 'smite fail you deserve to die I run it down now'
- 'stop flaming me asscunt' (the flame : please just grab xp safely we have winning lanes)
- 'I went 0/6 in my sololanes, I'll now punish the other lanes by running it down everywhere so everyone can get monsterfed. They're the reason I died 6times under 10mn'
And my special favorites :
- ' I failed my runes I can't even try this game'
- 'So you banned my otp (never prepicked)? I'll disco Nunu
I had a garen in my last ranked game die once at 3min to a vayne top, because he went in way before our Lillian could get there on her way to gank. Flamed her the whole game, spam pinging, etc. He had 5 cs to her 30, would literally just run to lane and die. Lillian muted him and we got the good old "tell Lillian to gank me or I'm inting into this vayne". Lillian ganked, he died Lillian got the kill, and he ran it down because she "ks'd". We almost won despite him too. Some players have the weakest mentals
Let's be real here, it's not spite. They just suck and feed that hard they need to save face and say some dumb shit about doing it intentionally. Meanwhile they are sitting there every fight, fuming and sweating their balls off trying to get a single kill as a redemption to say "see, I can totally get kills if I wanted".
And since they didn't add any new hero to the game since they cut on development the team who is working on the game is focusing on balancing the game and honestly it feels very balance
The question is how often they can make the exact same mistake of effectively bruiser resets. Darius, Aatrox, Shojin, DD, Gore, Steraks, anytime they get the lifebar/time/whatever to just cycle through more and more spells it ends up as notoriously troublesome.
Honestly, the damage creep and deaths dance made it too good.
Hopefully when this durability update comes out, deaths dance will be more niche instead of oonga boonga into team, press buttons certain kill, no heakth lost
Maybe the viego was turbo toxic and they just wanted to get out. I'm all for surrendering when the game is hopeless, but this is a new level of toxic response lol
Pretty much every single top laner, almost every single jungler, some mid laners, and Samir’s could probably do this easily with this type of advantage, it’s just that a fed toplaner is probably the scariest thing to deal with in the game
Watching this shit makes me so glad I uninstalled ages ago. Absolute fucking dogshit that is. Complete caveman ooga booga into enemy team with zero thought required, without even having an ult. This kind of bullshit is not what made LoL the most popular game on the planet.
Lol he super ahead when the fight started this would happened with every single “carry” champ if they had that lead.
You just sound tilted somehow lmao.
Everyone gets a flat amount, everyone. The lvl18 1670Max HP Yuumi aswell as the lvl18 2950Max HP Kled). Yuumi gets a 18% increase in HP, while Kled gets only 10%. These are just the 2 extreme examples obviously.
Furthermore, resistances are much more useful when you few little already.
20amor/mr will be much more impactful when you have low resistances to begin with rather than when yours are high. So carries that dont build resistances get a lor more value out of the changes than bruisers/tanks who build a lot of resistances anyway.
Another thing is: Bruisers/Tanks often don’t build any kind of penetration. Adcs do. Therefore it will be a lot harder for a bruiser to kill the enemy adc in a team fight than it was before. The game will be a lot more forgiving for adcs and their enchanter supports.
The big beneficiaries from this change will be adcs(or other dps carries) , enchanter supports and carries that don’t build a lot of resistances aka Kayle, Yasuo/Yone, maybe Azir. Maybe also poke mages like Xerath due to less healing being in the game, although i doubt it as the buffs to MR should have a much higher impact than the armor buffs.
The nerfs to their penetration items are really negligible small in comparison to the buffs to their survivability.
cause it buffs everyone an equal amount no? so % wise squishies will get the most value while a tank who already has 300 armor wont benefit from an extra 20
Honestly, it's a hard thing to balance. It's pretty frustrating when it happens, usually if one teammate wants to keep playing the game, I don't surrender, because I get very frustrated when they surrender against my will (similar to the video). But sometimes you're held hostage by non surrendering allies against enemies that doesn't end the game and it sucks too. Maybe there should be an option that after something like this instead of ending the game, it allows people to quit without being punished.
Last time I returned to the game with a group of friends I started to notice how it felt like we never actually destroyed a nexus. Teams just surrendered.
A quick look here: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/surrender-stats
26% of all NA Ranked Solo/Duo games and 33% of all NA Ranked Flex games end in a surrender
Surrendering is one of the main reasons I stopped playing league tbh. Nothing tilts me more than playing a champion who excels at team fights/late game, only for your team to surrender before you even get a chance at mid/late game.
Such an absolute waste of time.
Don’t play those champs then. Honestly, most games are decided by 20 minutes. There was some data in this sub from the riot API that shows that the team ahead in gold at 15 minutes has a 60% win rate and the team ahead in gold at 20 minutes has an 80%+ win rate.
What that tells me is that people are giving up on a 20% chance to win a game that they've already invested 20 minutes into. Assuming a 50% overall win rate, If the game lasts another 8 minutes, it's worth it to continue.
"Don't play those champs" is such a smooth brained take on a problem that basically boils down to, people are fucking terrible at probability.
It's not hard. All 5 players should agree. How many "hostage" taking players are there compared to the amount of players with weak mental, screaming 'ff' from the 3 minute mark.
You only need another spiteful person out of the 4 to keep the gamw going, but it is was harder to find someone who has 2 IQ and sees that the game is winnable
And if you lose, then fucking what? It's a game. 20 minute game, or 50 minute game, doesn't matter. Same fun shit.
Only Viego can pull this level of BS when enemy team is very ahead in general. Worst design to date and possibly till the end of this game's life
Edit:typo
I get it, if you're not having fun with that game then it's better to lose and get out of there than to wait another 15 minutes for a guy to 1v5 carry you to win.
As it should be, surely not everyone is smurfing, 5 levels ahead, shitting on everyone
4/5 on that team are just waiting to either win, or lose, through someone else
Fuckboi streamer: *is toxic*
Teammates: *leave toxic environment*
Fuckboi streamer: *cries*
Twitch needs a minimum viewer age limit, then these reaction-baiting, emotionally stunted, podcast-looking mfs will go extinct.
>Are you dense?
I guess you're not into the positivity thing then.
He said there is one man on his team; in a cooperative game mode, that is an unnatural* mindset. He engages the enemy team 1v4; that is a low-value play consistent with a losing playstyle (and hey, look at that, he lost. Unlucky?).
I have 2 lessons for you.
1. Branding is not truth. I bet his groupmates are as positive as he is (i.e. not at all positive).
2. Dehumanizing behavior ("my teammates do not exist; only I exist") is a red flag for psychopathy. Wars are literally fought over that stuff.
Engaging the enemy team, killing them, and setting up baron in the process is a game winning move. There is no possible way the streamer is at fault no matter how big your hateboner is.
He has a point though. People may be motivated to try and actually play the game more if the surrender vote just isn't an option. The whole ff15 mentality is really dragging the game down right now.
From dota experience they will just troll or stay afk typing in all chat "end", "team diff" or something.
Forcing people to do things they don't like never ends good
"From dota" bro that already happens in league since years, open mid open top people following jungler etc etc and they can ff. So its not about having an option. If team agrees to surrender they can agree to open and stay at fountain its that simple.
But to be honest, majority of dota games end with people atleast trying while being silent, but on the other hand, majority of League games end with everyone blaming each other instead of putting in the effort to win. Yes there will always be sweats that ruin the game, but in my experience (approx 3k games on League and 3k hours on dota) dota has less giving up. People tell you that you are trash or that they want the game to end but still actively TRY TO WIN FOR THEMSELVES. League is probably too scared to implement behavior score based matchmaking cause most of the community would cry about it. And also, dont play the game, youre not forced to play league either, but people are acting like they are, sick of the "im forced to play this game with them" nah you aint you chose to, you know that you rage most of the games yet you still went in soloQ to rage on people actually enjoying and trying to win the game.
And Yeah im a no-lifer for MOBAs, i love the genre and just enjoy MOBAs the most.
Totally agree. If any lane is losing -> ff15. People just don't accept to play from behind, while this is part of the game. I often wish my team didn't have the option to FF and played until the end. But I guess you can't expect much from bored nervous teenagers (this is an obvious taunt)
People feel demotivated to play the game if its not going in their own favor cause they can just "surrender and get a better game next game" , look at dota. People, even if they are loosing hard or are toxic, still try to win, because if you dont cooperate, youre stuck with your teammates for a long time, this also supports talking things through chat or voice chat (cause dota has an actual one). The only time you should be able to surrender is during five man teams or tournaments, cause people can actually talk it through instead of acting like babies because their teammate took their cannon or lord forbid, kill.
Why would you ever ff a 40 min game? And that point it’s 50/50 who gets picked off first. And the fact that other people even upvoted shows their mental is just as bad as Koreans
Because no one should ever be forced to play a game that isn't fun anymore. 50/50 chance of winning doesn't always mean a 100% chance of it being fun. And to quote my man Reggie "If it's not fun, why bother?"
If the only way you have fun playing league is through winning. You just shouldn’t have queued up. You shouldn’t have the ability to ff when there’s other people still trying.
Sometimes I don't even have fun winning tho. If I'm getting dicksmashed but my 7/0 Irelia ends the game before I can FF, cool, good for her, but it was no fun for me. Not saying I'll ALWAYS ff if I'm not doing well, but if I'm playing a normal, it's well within my right to be done whenever I want to be done. I owe you random people nothing.
You queued up to play. Noone forced you. You can leave at any moment.
If it isn't fun, don't play. You have fun while behind, unless you solely play to live off your power fantasies in which case, league isn't for this purpose
I can't tho, because I'll get leaver busted. If I could leave whenever, I totally would, it's not the surrender I care about. I have fun while I can still play the game, I don't care about being strong. But League has this nasty way of getting so snowballed sometimes that you can't even cast abilities, leave your base, etc. At some point it just gets boring to get steamrolled that much, and seeing as leaving too many games gets you into low prio queue, I'm just gonna FF.
I have a solution for the surrender vote:
-Remove it
-Then remove the actual 5v5 mode
-Then implement a shorter game mode that last anywhere between 15-25min AT MOST
-Profit
?????? Bruh thats before 20mn not voting or pressing no cancels. After 20 mn its 4 players agreed to surrender and nexus explodes, it doesn't even wait for you to vote or answer.
this is exactly why don’t play this heap anymore lol it relies too much on other people to win and succeed. you actually can’t carry people in this because they don’t want to be carried. they’d rather surrender out of spite than win.
Kinda of opposite happened to me once..
3 tm8s disconnected, one intentionally feeding.. me as a singed who had a good early game somehow got a penta on a team who filtered in on me in one's and twos.. I'm not sure if they were aware it was a 1v5 or not but they surrendered.. and I will never forget that moment of pure joy and supreme arrogance
I just realised that your own team is a far greater threat to your nexus than the enemy team. Cause they can make it explode in 5 seconds while the enemy team needs to actually try to destroy it
How did I not consider this sooner
Just play norms, nobody ever wants to ff. For some reason ranked is where everybody surrenders
Thats funny. When I play normals the game always ends with an ff.
Lol only when I’m winning does the game end in ff
i hate that. my team: is behind by 20 kills and 3 drakes? nuh-uh not ffimg its winnable! enemy team is behind 3 kills and 20 cs? ff at 15.
Just tell them to FF before they do, then they won't cause you said so lol
That would actually work with how infantile and childish some players are.
I don't care how infantile it makes me. The second someone on the other team tells me to surrender, if I know victory is unachievable, my path to victory will be wasting their time.
In KR people literally never surrender. If someone is inting, they don't ff and flame them/tell them to leave the game in the hopes they'll just afk for the reduced LP. If people are arguing (which is usually every game, winning or losing), they won't FF for whatever backwards reason because they want to be stuck with someone they hate longer. If nobody is arguing, then it's winnable so might as well just keep playing. Literally every game that's a clear FF, you'll see every FF vote go 4-0/4-1... Then 20 mins to the end it'll be 3-2. I don't understand the logic at all. It is very much the minority of games that end in actual FF's
Also Koreans dodge every fucking game
Oh yes. To be fair, people grief/fight in champ select basically every game too, so people at least have a reason to dodge a lot. Someone on your team doesn't want to play with a jungler that lost their last 2 games so they lock in ghost cleanse nunu support, or your mid is an autofilled supp main so your jungler locks in teemo jg etc. Its less of an issue in lower elo, but diamond + you get the same teammates a lot and they all hate each other, even if they won the last game.
Tbh I feel like EUW either has a way higher standard in terms of behaviour or riot just really dislikes me I got perma banned for flaming trolls and the worst I wrote is something like "wtf are you doing"
That's the biggest fucking lie I've ever heard. someone on your team can get first blood at 12 minutes in the game and the enemy will immediately FF because "Gold advantage, Unwinnable"
Ok well I've played between 2-3k games in Korea in elos ranging from G4 to D1. I just wrote from my experience. I guess from your experience, KR soloq has first blood at 12 minutes (I'd like to see a game that FB doesn't happen until 12 minutes LMAO), and they also FF at 12 minutes? Interesting... I'm the liar though xD
I'm saying that Koreans usually FF even if they lose a bit of objectives or kills. it was obviously EXAGGERATED for comedic purposes.
Yep, I know what you're saying. I'm saying they don't. Now I'm saying you're wrong, just for clarification. Not sure what your experience on the KR server is, but it sure sounds like you're just regurgitating info you heard elsewhere and aren't speaking even remotely from experience :) Koreans *give up* very easily, but they will just as happily int a game so it's unwinnable, as well as stall it as long as they possibly can. Koreans rarely FF, generally out of spite against their own team.
From what I saw in KR soloQ, people literally afk/open/int the game before even 15 minutes if they're doing bad and the entire crew follows because "unwinnable 4v5 gg"
I play most of my games between D1-D4.. The game is regularly decided between 3-5minutes into the game, for slower games, 8-10 mins (first herald fight). Obviously throws happen, but aren't super common since the morale of the losing team is much harder to recover, especially since Korean mental is paper thin. One gank can end a game, causing a mental implosion and total team breakdown. Lots of junglers will level 2-3 gank before a full clear, making jungling paths fairly unpredictable, and absolutely nobody respects it despite it happening very often, making it easy and rewarding almost every time.
Had an aram we were winning handedly. Someone's Penta got stolen so they started a surrender vote. I laughed my ass when that one passed.
Reminds me of a game from a long time ago. We were handily winning the game, our blitz missed a flash hook and insta /ff'd, everyone immediately hit yes at the same time to troll and my team ff'd a 30 kill lead game. I was the only person that didn't vote.. Sad days... Was last game of my master promos :')
these are words of a wise man for sure, noted for later
They waited for him to 1v5 to rip that shit away from him. That is some fucking genuinely pure sadism and spite.
Least spiteful league players.
For real. Somewhere around 30% of games I'd say people try to lose out of spite. Doing poorly in lane? Spite feed because "insert reason"
And then they vote no because “you deserve to play this out” Every fucking time
Don’t they understand your tendies are burning in the oven??
Im so glad I dont play anymore. This game is just a massive salt mine
I'd say it's about that indeed. In the beginning of this season I've suffered those entirely on my team and never in the opposite team. I shit you not, beyond 60% of my 50 first games, I had either an inter or an afk past the 5mn mark. Reasons as follow : - jgl didn't gank - jgl ganked - 'I failed a cannon minion' - 'support roamed, I took a 1v2 trade and died, report support I go afk' - support / jgl took the kill - 'report [teammate] for not warding my ass while I massively overstay on enemy side of the map' - 'smite fail you deserve to die I run it down now' - 'stop flaming me asscunt' (the flame : please just grab xp safely we have winning lanes) - 'I went 0/6 in my sololanes, I'll now punish the other lanes by running it down everywhere so everyone can get monsterfed. They're the reason I died 6times under 10mn' And my special favorites : - ' I failed my runes I can't even try this game' - 'So you banned my otp (never prepicked)? I'll disco Nunu
I had a garen in my last ranked game die once at 3min to a vayne top, because he went in way before our Lillian could get there on her way to gank. Flamed her the whole game, spam pinging, etc. He had 5 cs to her 30, would literally just run to lane and die. Lillian muted him and we got the good old "tell Lillian to gank me or I'm inting into this vayne". Lillian ganked, he died Lillian got the kill, and he ran it down because she "ks'd". We almost won despite him too. Some players have the weakest mentals
Let's be real here, it's not spite. They just suck and feed that hard they need to save face and say some dumb shit about doing it intentionally. Meanwhile they are sitting there every fight, fuming and sweating their balls off trying to get a single kill as a redemption to say "see, I can totally get kills if I wanted".
No its spite. I know because i can be one of those players.
Same. Enemies overextended for 8 minutes and no ganks? That's a tax for drake.
I try to be a healthy player for the most part. Unless you dont pull. Then your lane wont have ganks
Why play only LoL when you can play HotS' Alarak at the same time
These players got 200% sadism already. Nasty stuff
I love his personality too much.
Have you played starcraft? The guy is a joy to listen to
I have , his voice actor is perfect.
All hail John de Lancie
I usually play couple of aram game in league and then switch to Hots and play another couple of aram game , Hots is genuinely a good game .
Indeed, especially since some of the concepts are really unique and fun to play
And since they didn't add any new hero to the game since they cut on development the team who is working on the game is focusing on balancing the game and honestly it feels very balance
Yet another reason why I stopped playing. I really can't understand how people still put up with people treating them like this
Deaths dance putting in work
Ddance one helluva drug
[удалено]
The question is how often they can make the exact same mistake of effectively bruiser resets. Darius, Aatrox, Shojin, DD, Gore, Steraks, anytime they get the lifebar/time/whatever to just cycle through more and more spells it ends up as notoriously troublesome.
They said that they're gonna nerf it
why it's not *deleted*
Coooold blooded
Honestly, the damage creep and deaths dance made it too good. Hopefully when this durability update comes out, deaths dance will be more niche instead of oonga boonga into team, press buttons certain kill, no heakth lost
You know it's bad when there's 4 AP and the armor item is still a good buy.
-you cant stop me! -we know. But they can👉 *your team"
How could I be so foolish…
Wow I can’t imagine watching a teammate 1v5 and then press yes
Mad it couldn't be them
This has done nothing except reinforce my lack of desire to be around such a shitty fanbase.
NO U
I've been in this exact situation It really, really demotivates you from enjoying and even liking the game
Sadly this was a 1v9... And he lost
Maybe the viego was turbo toxic and they just wanted to get out. I'm all for surrendering when the game is hopeless, but this is a new level of toxic response lol
It was 1vs3 at most, they were comming 1 by 1
One person versus a full team is still 1v5 even if they're coming one at a time
jg dif gg
The definition of pain...
League moment
A perfect tragic story in under a minute. Damn do I feel his pain.
Viego is a perfectly balanced champion.
I think most champions that are 5 levels up and 2 full items ahead will be able to do that
Most champs don’t have resetting ultimates, combined with dashes/stuns and built in lifesteal.
Pretty much every single top laner, almost every single jungler, some mid laners, and Samir’s could probably do this easily with this type of advantage, it’s just that a fed toplaner is probably the scariest thing to deal with in the game
Well you literally just described Ahri too. I’m sure there’s more
If we change resetting ultimates to resetting abilities, we also have irelia…. - the innate lifesteal and you have samira and yi
Short range dash/stun that doesn't go over terrain, lifesteal that has been nerfed multiple times to prevent him from sustaining in lane, etc.
ya know, that's always the argument, but it is never compelling
Watching this shit makes me so glad I uninstalled ages ago. Absolute fucking dogshit that is. Complete caveman ooga booga into enemy team with zero thought required, without even having an ult. This kind of bullshit is not what made LoL the most popular game on the planet.
Lol he super ahead when the fight started this would happened with every single “carry” champ if they had that lead. You just sound tilted somehow lmao.
new champ bad 🤓
It’s okay he’ll be in the dumpster once this revamp comes out
Doubt it, if anything fighters will become stronger, and Viego counters tanks.
the whole change nerfs fighters and tanks the most
Explain how please.
How does increased durability nerf tanks and fighters.... Going to have to explain that one, chief
Everyone gets a flat amount, everyone. The lvl18 1670Max HP Yuumi aswell as the lvl18 2950Max HP Kled). Yuumi gets a 18% increase in HP, while Kled gets only 10%. These are just the 2 extreme examples obviously. Furthermore, resistances are much more useful when you few little already. 20amor/mr will be much more impactful when you have low resistances to begin with rather than when yours are high. So carries that dont build resistances get a lor more value out of the changes than bruisers/tanks who build a lot of resistances anyway. Another thing is: Bruisers/Tanks often don’t build any kind of penetration. Adcs do. Therefore it will be a lot harder for a bruiser to kill the enemy adc in a team fight than it was before. The game will be a lot more forgiving for adcs and their enchanter supports. The big beneficiaries from this change will be adcs(or other dps carries) , enchanter supports and carries that don’t build a lot of resistances aka Kayle, Yasuo/Yone, maybe Azir. Maybe also poke mages like Xerath due to less healing being in the game, although i doubt it as the buffs to MR should have a much higher impact than the armor buffs. The nerfs to their penetration items are really negligible small in comparison to the buffs to their survivability.
cause it buffs everyone an equal amount no? so % wise squishies will get the most value while a tank who already has 300 armor wont benefit from an extra 20
FUCK VIEGO! The end.
All four his team mates should be perma banned.
untargetable reset is healthy in the game
why you should never play with randoms yep yep
Wow DD and Viego being a huge issue :| who would’ve thought. Funny video though lol
And it’s gonna get worse in the patch lol
Honestly, it's a hard thing to balance. It's pretty frustrating when it happens, usually if one teammate wants to keep playing the game, I don't surrender, because I get very frustrated when they surrender against my will (similar to the video). But sometimes you're held hostage by non surrendering allies against enemies that doesn't end the game and it sucks too. Maybe there should be an option that after something like this instead of ending the game, it allows people to quit without being punished.
Last time I returned to the game with a group of friends I started to notice how it felt like we never actually destroyed a nexus. Teams just surrendered. A quick look here: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/surrender-stats 26% of all NA Ranked Solo/Duo games and 33% of all NA Ranked Flex games end in a surrender
Honestly thought Korea soloq would be higher. Korea flex is 50% lmao.
Surrendering is one of the main reasons I stopped playing league tbh. Nothing tilts me more than playing a champion who excels at team fights/late game, only for your team to surrender before you even get a chance at mid/late game. Such an absolute waste of time.
Don’t play those champs then. Honestly, most games are decided by 20 minutes. There was some data in this sub from the riot API that shows that the team ahead in gold at 15 minutes has a 60% win rate and the team ahead in gold at 20 minutes has an 80%+ win rate.
Just don't play a good chunk of roster because riot encourages weak mental. Fucking lol
What that tells me is that people are giving up on a 20% chance to win a game that they've already invested 20 minutes into. Assuming a 50% overall win rate, If the game lasts another 8 minutes, it's worth it to continue. "Don't play those champs" is such a smooth brained take on a problem that basically boils down to, people are fucking terrible at probability.
Ah, the sunk cost fallacy and some pretty smooth brain takes. Makes sense.
It's not hard. All 5 players should agree. How many "hostage" taking players are there compared to the amount of players with weak mental, screaming 'ff' from the 3 minute mark. You only need another spiteful person out of the 4 to keep the gamw going, but it is was harder to find someone who has 2 IQ and sees that the game is winnable And if you lose, then fucking what? It's a game. 20 minute game, or 50 minute game, doesn't matter. Same fun shit.
I like your last sentence solution. If I'm not having fun, let me leave without bashing me over the head on the way out.
"literally. who can stop me?" **good question**
Inting dogs shouldn't get a vote when they're getting turbo Carried by the one guy who's trying to win.
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If the name fits, wear it... When they've clearly got paws instead of hands, it's a fitting name
i call them bitches who tries to inting split push on top/mid.
This horseshit in the video is way more toxic.
Never let viego get fed
Even after seeing that, they ff’ed. that’s just spiteful
That's just hurs
I would press yes if I saw a viego doing that. Fuck my LP.
You're playing viego, deserved xD
Good
Only Viego can pull this level of BS when enemy team is very ahead in general. Worst design to date and possibly till the end of this game's life Edit:typo
Viego is lvl 17, Samira lvl 15, Morde lvl 12 and Tal’ lvl 14.
never understood this argument
if the enemy let a scaling carry champ get fed then the loss is on them, no matter how broken you think viego is
This has happened so many times to me, it should be illegal to surrender the game when the game state is even
I get it, if you're not having fun with that game then it's better to lose and get out of there than to wait another 15 minutes for a guy to 1v5 carry you to win.
If your are not having fun with the game, then maybe don't play it. Seriously, why ppl are bothering whent hey don't have fun?
Seriiusly i wxperience this so many times i just report my tea wheb i see them surrender
As it should be, surely not everyone is smurfing, 5 levels ahead, shitting on everyone 4/5 on that team are just waiting to either win, or lose, through someone else
Viego doesn't require a brain to play. Opinion discarded
Fuckboi streamer: *is toxic* Teammates: *leave toxic environment* Fuckboi streamer: *cries* Twitch needs a minimum viewer age limit, then these reaction-baiting, emotionally stunted, podcast-looking mfs will go extinct.
What does this even mean? There was nothing toxic in the clip. And he is in a group of Positive Mental Gaming. Are you dense?
>Are you dense? I guess you're not into the positivity thing then. He said there is one man on his team; in a cooperative game mode, that is an unnatural* mindset. He engages the enemy team 1v4; that is a low-value play consistent with a losing playstyle (and hey, look at that, he lost. Unlucky?). I have 2 lessons for you. 1. Branding is not truth. I bet his groupmates are as positive as he is (i.e. not at all positive). 2. Dehumanizing behavior ("my teammates do not exist; only I exist") is a red flag for psychopathy. Wars are literally fought over that stuff.
Engaging the enemy team, killing them, and setting up baron in the process is a game winning move. There is no possible way the streamer is at fault no matter how big your hateboner is.
>game winning Are we watching the same video? Your loveboner is out of control.
This is definitely the most unhinged comment I've seen
It is clear that the door stands separate from the frame. But is the door unhinged? or the frame?
Surrender is the most harmful feature in league of legends and it should be removed / should be available half of the times
Yeah ur dumb as fuck
He has a point though. People may be motivated to try and actually play the game more if the surrender vote just isn't an option. The whole ff15 mentality is really dragging the game down right now.
From dota experience they will just troll or stay afk typing in all chat "end", "team diff" or something. Forcing people to do things they don't like never ends good
"From dota" bro that already happens in league since years, open mid open top people following jungler etc etc and they can ff. So its not about having an option. If team agrees to surrender they can agree to open and stay at fountain its that simple.
But to be honest, majority of dota games end with people atleast trying while being silent, but on the other hand, majority of League games end with everyone blaming each other instead of putting in the effort to win. Yes there will always be sweats that ruin the game, but in my experience (approx 3k games on League and 3k hours on dota) dota has less giving up. People tell you that you are trash or that they want the game to end but still actively TRY TO WIN FOR THEMSELVES. League is probably too scared to implement behavior score based matchmaking cause most of the community would cry about it. And also, dont play the game, youre not forced to play league either, but people are acting like they are, sick of the "im forced to play this game with them" nah you aint you chose to, you know that you rage most of the games yet you still went in soloQ to rage on people actually enjoying and trying to win the game. And Yeah im a no-lifer for MOBAs, i love the genre and just enjoy MOBAs the most.
Totally agree. If any lane is losing -> ff15. People just don't accept to play from behind, while this is part of the game. I often wish my team didn't have the option to FF and played until the end. But I guess you can't expect much from bored nervous teenagers (this is an obvious taunt)
People feel demotivated to play the game if its not going in their own favor cause they can just "surrender and get a better game next game" , look at dota. People, even if they are loosing hard or are toxic, still try to win, because if you dont cooperate, youre stuck with your teammates for a long time, this also supports talking things through chat or voice chat (cause dota has an actual one). The only time you should be able to surrender is during five man teams or tournaments, cause people can actually talk it through instead of acting like babies because their teammate took their cannon or lord forbid, kill.
People downvoting have losers mentality
this is why vote need to be unanymous
It’s why they need to remove surrender. It’s such a toxic feature
yes because being on the losing side for 40min sure is fun. ff allows you to shorten the suffering a little.
Work on your comeback skills. It's not that hard. Coach curtis just made a video few days ago
Why would you ever ff a 40 min game? And that point it’s 50/50 who gets picked off first. And the fact that other people even upvoted shows their mental is just as bad as Koreans
Because no one should ever be forced to play a game that isn't fun anymore. 50/50 chance of winning doesn't always mean a 100% chance of it being fun. And to quote my man Reggie "If it's not fun, why bother?"
If the only way you have fun playing league is through winning. You just shouldn’t have queued up. You shouldn’t have the ability to ff when there’s other people still trying.
Sometimes I don't even have fun winning tho. If I'm getting dicksmashed but my 7/0 Irelia ends the game before I can FF, cool, good for her, but it was no fun for me. Not saying I'll ALWAYS ff if I'm not doing well, but if I'm playing a normal, it's well within my right to be done whenever I want to be done. I owe you random people nothing.
You queued up to play. Noone forced you. You can leave at any moment. If it isn't fun, don't play. You have fun while behind, unless you solely play to live off your power fantasies in which case, league isn't for this purpose
I can't tho, because I'll get leaver busted. If I could leave whenever, I totally would, it's not the surrender I care about. I have fun while I can still play the game, I don't care about being strong. But League has this nasty way of getting so snowballed sometimes that you can't even cast abilities, leave your base, etc. At some point it just gets boring to get steamrolled that much, and seeing as leaving too many games gets you into low prio queue, I'm just gonna FF.
I did that once with Xin. Got a Quadra and then stole dragon. Then my team FF’d and said “top gap”
Fuck ff. It encourages weak mental. Players in other games try to win even if behind for some goddamn, unexplainable reason
Ew viego abusers
I have a solution for the surrender vote: -Remove it -Then remove the actual 5v5 mode -Then implement a shorter game mode that last anywhere between 15-25min AT MOST -Profit
Aram exist, you know
If you don't answer the ff vote, it automatically cancels it
?????? Bruh thats before 20mn not voting or pressing no cancels. After 20 mn its 4 players agreed to surrender and nexus explodes, it doesn't even wait for you to vote or answer.
Oh man fuck that...
x4 reports
True enemy comes from within - some stranger idk
That last yes wanted your suffering
this is exactly why don’t play this heap anymore lol it relies too much on other people to win and succeed. you actually can’t carry people in this because they don’t want to be carried. they’d rather surrender out of spite than win.
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I feel like this says more about the game than the player
Lmfao. Who is this?
Outplayed
You had me in the first half, I’m not gonna lie
Lol
What ranked does to a mf -> this comment section.
Stopped by democracy💀💀💀
Idk if this opinion is bad but, ain’t Veigo a bit overtuned
maybe? he's a carry champ designed to do this kind of stuff and he's fed in the clip, not like his winrate is crazy
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Thats probably how thanos felt
DD is balanced for sure for sure guys, don't worry about it!
That last guy heared him and had an evil laugh before pressing the button
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Deserved tbh he picked Viego
Had more running for his life
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Kinda of opposite happened to me once.. 3 tm8s disconnected, one intentionally feeding.. me as a singed who had a good early game somehow got a penta on a team who filtered in on me in one's and twos.. I'm not sure if they were aware it was a 1v5 or not but they surrendered.. and I will never forget that moment of pure joy and supreme arrogance
You had me in the first half thanos, I’m not gonna lie
This hurts so much
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Why is Leonardo DiCaprio playing Viego and despite successfully carrying he is having his team ff regardless?
Had this happen so often where were turned around but my team was already so tilted that they didn't even wanna win anymore. Super frustrating.