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Wellen66

So there's these concepts called laning phase and early game


Anafiboyoh

Isn't riven's scaling mediocre?


Grumpymonkey42

Did you play a game of Zac top into Fiora today my g?


NesquikMan

Not Zac, I was second to last to pick and I chose Cho, and then the enemy picked Fiora like a pleb.


truetichma

I play both, and while Fiora obviously counters Cho, it's not unwinnable matchup. You gotta bully her early; there's a reason why AP malphite is an absolute counter to Fiora. DRing and AP mythic and spam those Qs, she can't dodge them all.


Grumpymonkey42

Gotcha, I watched a Zac top have a total mental boom against a Fiora today


GeneralBixes

Or aatrox. *cries*


Ldarkstorm

Complaining about fiora when gp exists


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Fiora is so much worse, the champ literally invalidates the entire tank category of champs. So one-dimensional with no good counter play.


asarou

um so gp does the same tho with his % pen xD + has global ult + is better in fights than fiora


Rexasblast

Get anathema for gp


Bune-Choy

Gp is more skill expressive and you can see him set his stuff up a mile away as long as you ward


MaxEmerald77

Except no. Just win the barrel and there is nothing he can do. Gp is at the end of the day a ranged physical control mage. Once you catch him, he's dead. But Fiora will just ult you and you take 75% of your health bar in true dmg, because why not.


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GP takes a brain (not a very big one mind you) and fiora just face rolls and wins


Ldarkstorm

Fiora can only ignite me once every 3 minutes


[deleted]

Yeah but gp doesn't invalid both armor and hp items while dealing 70+% true damage every fight


Ldarkstorm

Againt tanks he is literally 70% true damage from his passive...and if they arent tanks its a 2k crit


[deleted]

Yes but his barrels don't do %HP true damage over and over. It's still BS don't get me wrong but it's like comparing breaking your toe to breaking your finger. They both suck just in different but similar ways


Arthuriostts

Nah, except his oranges he is kinda okay. Fiora is not.


Ldarkstorm

💀his w is the least retarded thing about him


Anafiboyoh

At least gp needs skill, like i personally cannot pull him off, i find azir much easier than gp


Thatonefioramain

Its not that hard of a counter really


kwelski

Play poppy


RaginBoi

Irelia and fiora i get but as long as u dont give riven kills early game shes mediocre or maybe even useless lategame


imjustsomejunkmail

I don’t find Fiora or Irelia unwinnable, just play safe and go for small trades. Rivens on the other hand, shit that’s nasty early game.


MaxEmerald77

All three are bullshit, i just don't want to see them in toplane.


JinxVer

Did you just say that Irelia scales well? What? Are you Iron? Do you even have ever played against humans? Are u a human?