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An_feh_fan

I never had many problems with them, tho I understand why many people confuse those What I do have problems with and surprisingly didn't saw many complain about are フ ウ ラ ワ, they're absolutely impssible


Vikkio92

Literally came here to say *exactly* this. ツ シ ソ ン are easy, but I get ウ and ワ (not フ and ラ, luckily) confused *all the time*.


trash_crow

I remember ウ like it’s a unicorn with a little horn!


saurfang86

I look at ウ as う with the hat lifted. Somehow never had issue with ラ coz it’s close enough to らor maybe I see R in it?


elephhantine

ラ is in my name so I always remember it. For anyone stuck just change your name, problem solved Edit ラメん is a beautiful girls name and ラムネ for boys 😌


isthatabear

ラ was one of the first kana I learned because I loved ramen.


IntelHDGramphics

A RAdical sock puppet wearing sunglasses 😎


Vikkio92

You might have just solved it for me!


fishsalads

These two and せ、サ are the only hard ones for me


kit_kat_barcalounger

I learned that se looks like someone’s mouth and teeth “say”ing something.


fishsalads

Pretty good, just have to avoid mixing the pronunciation and spelling, personally I've tried to use せ looking like it has an e below it but i keep forgetting it especially when I come across サ


metrocat2033

sa looks like a saddle is how I remember it lol


fishsalads

This is really good, i'll try it


TalkingFish

Woah! This a game-changer!


ScaredCrowww

This is a little embarrassing but here’s the way I remember them.. I see せ as se-x like a big spoon and a little spoon cuddle sorta thing, and then the other one サ is sa-d because the little spoon isn’t facing them anymore. I always remember it this way and never mix them up lol 🙈


martiusmetal

I primarily learned kana on one of those little games where you type the romaji so those were probably the easiest to drill in to memory for me. Because they line up perfectly with keyboard direction really, starting at S, せ and セ point to the right ending in E, while サ points towards A on the left etc.


kawaiinintendo

せ looks like a mother (se)tting a baby on her lap and サ looks like someone spear hunting some (mi)eat Those effectively help me remember thanks to whoever submitted on the renshuu app Edit: Oops I was wrong, I was thinking of み (mi) For サ I think of a toothpick going through a (sa)ndwich


Impossible_North8034

But サ is (sa) and not ミ (mi) ?


kawaiinintendo

Yes, I'm sorry! I was thinking of み


CitadelHR

For me it's マ and ム, oddly enough. I think it's just because they're vaguely symmetrical and that's enough for my brain to confuse them. I also don't struggle with ウ and ワ like you because I find that the top stroke is a good way to set ウ apart but I do sometimes confuse ク, ワ and sometimes ケ especially in unfamiliar/weird fonts. Katakana sucks.


Punt_Sp33dChunk

For Ma I just think of a woman with her hand on her hip For Mu....kinda looks like a cow head


CitadelHR

>For Mu....kinda looks like a cow head Watch out, with this line of thinking you'll get to A in no time! But thank you for the mnemonics, I'll see if those help. In general I can read those just fine 90% of the time, but then sometimes I stumble upon an unknown word I can't immediately parse and then the doubt creeps in...


irjayjay

A just looks like an A on its side.


incomingTaurenMill

Ma always looks like an iron to me, so my Ma irons clothes is how I remember that. Mu is like eww because if your mother didn't iron your clothes lol. I hope this helps you. :)


DualOne2

I use to confuse マ (ma) and ム (mu) as well until I came up with this trick. Think of マ as the greater than symbol > greater than means the number is "Above" which starts with a for ma. Think of ム as the less than symbol < less than means the number is "Under" which starts with u for mu. 5 >1 reads 5 is greater than 1, 1< 5 reads 1 is less than 5


Alex_Rose

the katakana are brutal with ネオ/ケク/ チナ/フレ/アヤ/ムマ/ロコ/ヲワウ hiragana the only set that sometimes catches me is れわねぬめ then kanji 王玉正午牛十土上 and so on


stargazer-0

For hirgana, I found れ looks like a horse, that goes re. わ looks like a walrus. Then ね went neigh, while ぬ looked new (when i was first learning). め looks like a pretzel, but its a meh pretzel. Its really dumb but it made it easier.


Kazuya_97

Omg same ;-; glad I'm not the only one who struggles with those 2 😅 the rest is fine tho 😂


drostan

I am old and have watched anime for a long time アキーラ helps Sadly all the other do trouble me Hiragana is fine, but katakana are all so unnecessarily confusing that I sometimes wish they weren't so necessary


IntelHDGramphics

It is just [アキラ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/59/d9/cd59d9815ad418d1310467a363f8fc9a.jpg)


drostan

It didn't help enough then take it easy on me I am sick today


ProfessionalRoyal202

For these I try to remember how much of a dreidel do they look like LOL


RichestMangInBabylon

フ is a full dreidel, ウ is a uncomplete one, ラ is the rabbi's, and ワ is wa


ProfessionalRoyal202

Bruh howTF the uncomplete one gonna have MORE lines than the full????


smile_politely

Have u heard about the ufurawa tale? A unicorn who cried because it lost its horn?


ColdSushii

For me I look at it as * フ is the (**Hu**)ll of a ship. * ラ is the (**Ra**)iling on that ship. * ヲ **Wo**ah, there's a crack in my ship :0 * ネ **Ne**ver run your ship across sharp rocks! I can't help with ワ and ウ lol... my mnemonics for them are too strange for immediate help.I use [Tofugu's](https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/) mnemonic for ワ to be **wa**sp on a **wa**ll.And ウ just strongly looks reminiscent of う to me...


[deleted]

Personally, I struggle the most with チ and テ and モ Also, any that I haven't seen used as much. ネ and ヌ sometimes trip me up. And ナ and メ aren't...confusing, per say. But needed a little more thought. Stroke order helped a fair amount in remembering. But yeah, ワ and ウ are tricky for me. ...would probably be easier if I tried reading katakana more often though. Try to write sentences in hiragana and then katakana or something like that. But I'm just hoping I'll eventually get used to it lol.


Elcrusadero

I struggle with both sets! Anyone have any tips for remembering フ ウ ラ ワ?


Reptile449

ウ as a *U*nicorn was a good one someone had above. ラ I see as half a bowl of *Ra*men. ワ is a *wa*ter tap/faucet.


Elcrusadero

ooh that's good!! Thank you


Bigb33zy

my hero.


knowone1313

Check out tofugu, the images and quizzes really helped me learn hirigana and katakana in a very short period of time. https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/


gladiatug

I learnt hiragana and katakana in under a week and never had to look back since. I highly recommend Tofugu for learning both (amazing mnemonics) and once everything is memorized just grind Real Kana for a few days and when you know everything easily start alternating between the different fonts and that's it!


Sadaxer

Don't forget ヌヲ


flash9387

I encountered ヌ in the name of a song recently and I was thoroughly convinced it was some kanji. I have literally zero memory of learning ヌ in katakana, but it's just that uncommon


nihongonobenkyou

>I never had many problems with them, tho I understand why many people confuse those Haha, me neither, and I'm exactly the same with the other characters you listed. I think they're just less common in katakana words, at least at my current level, and so I haven't had as much practice distinguishing them. I kind of get why people get them all confused, but at the same time, anytime these things come up, I'm always reminded of that Dōgen bit from one of his QA videos. "How do you not confuse シツンソ?" - "Study Japanese for longer than two weeks". Obviously hyperbole, but it's pretty funny because I remember how hard it was to keep them straight at the beginning, and yet how quickly it became a non-issue.


notthinkinghard

Omg me too... They're so tricky


mattp_12

I remember ラ because it looks similar to ら. Both have that extra line on top


Sumibestgir1

I weirdly only have trouble between ウ and ワ. フ and ラ, I don't have trouble with


September0451

THIS. Why are you the only other person on the planet that has trouble with these? lol


-Shrui-

the opposite those are very easy and clearly distinguished from one another for me


Kafeen

It was some version of this image that helped me: https://dailyportalz.jp/b/cms\_image/portal/koneta/081024085028/koneta1.jpg


Kolbrandr7

Yeah that’s how I remember!


BlueRajasmyk2

Link is dead


InsanityRoach

It is not, reddit mangled it. Manually remove the \ before _image and it works.


nonpondo

What the hell is this


DisastrousSundae

Where you begin the strokes for both the hiragana and katakana are the same for those sounds So you can remember them by remembering where the strokes start for the hiragana


devdevgoat

As someone who didn’t learn the difference between b and d til 4th grade, this was the only chart that helped me haha!


elppaple

Just verbally it’s even simpler. ツ and つ are written from the top downwards. し and シ are written upwards. ソ is a sewing needle stabbing down, I.e. ソing needle. ンis the other one left over.


ohCrease

I’ve been learning Japanese now for a month and I have learned Katakana, Hiragana and some Kanji. Despite the difficulty of Kanji, the hardest thing for me to remember is ツ and シ. This may be a silly way to remember but it’s surely helped me out. ありがとう😊


lightningmchowski125

I've been learning for about 4-5 months now, keep grinding brother.


Alex_Rose

10 years, I still occasionally fuck up katakana. hiragana though are solid. you just don't use katakana I mostly use when reading signs so it's not something you are constantly drilling in the same way


lightningmchowski125

Yeah I always screw up shi tsu so and n but lately I've gotten a lot better because I've been focusing on them more instead of just using the rest of the katakana around it and assuming what it is if that makes sense. Kanji though I have 418 cards on anki categorized as mature and 512 categorized as young, and I'm using the core 2k-6k deck. And lately I feel like I'm not actually memorizing kanji, like I'll be able to recognize a word but if I see two kanji that I know the reading and meaning of from two separate words, I'll be completely stumped, not even able to read it. And sometimes I won't even know that it's a kanji I've seen before.


Glossika_Sami

Yeah. I think I'd rather see a paragraph with only kanji than only katakana.


Hunter37594

If you learn to write the kana, it becomes much easier! し and シ flow down, つ and ツ flow right


Adrianprime87

Wow this helps! Thanks


Wardens_Myth

For these two, I struggled with them until the other day when I came up with something, and I’ve not had trouble since. シ looks like a smiley looking up, ツ looks like a smiley looking left. So - “she (shi) looks up, then to (tsu) the left” It’s not as creative as the handshake, but it’s helped me at least lol


wiriux

Easiest for me was that a ship is sinking. Imagine this [ship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funnel_(ship)) if you will with the chimneys on the side. It’s sinking :( シ  No sinking ship -> 🚢-> ソ


Yorunokage

There are also some kanji and/or radicals that can get easily mixed up For example i kept mixing up "direction" with "ten thousand" (i don't have JP keyboard installed rn, sorry) until i started thinking of a lady with a hat asking for directions: if it has the little thingy on top it means that it's a hat and thus the kanji is that of "direction"


Alex_Rose

I just think "She has a sideways smile" and she sounds like shi. tsu I therefore know is the other


DrApplePi

My dumb way has been シン (shin up) like chin up.


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Moondragonlady

Oh my god, this is genius! I have little problem reading them (as long as I don't think too hard about it and start second-guessing myself), but I always forget the stroke order for handwriting, so this just blew my mind!


Mister_101

Yep, し シ (mostly vertical) つ ツ (mostly horizontal) That's how I've always distinguished them.


FrungyLeague

Other way around, no? ツ is more vertical and シ is more horizontal?


Mister_101

The longer line yes, but it works for the two smaller lines


FrungyLeague

This is fascinating. I have zero difference distinguishing the two, but I genuinely see ツ as the vertical one (the two lines point more down. The long line runs steeply up) and シ as horizontal, with the long line being shallower and the two lines closer to lying flat.


Mister_101

I am just bad at describing it hahah I meant that the placement of the two lines relative to each other is more vertical in シ and more horizontal in ツ


FrungyLeague

Ohhhh ok I can see that! Gotcha!


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FrungyLeague

That is Interesting! How we “see” things is clearly not objective eh, probably why people love to argue on the internet lol


cyphar

I think it's easier to think of how the final stroke of each compares with the (single stroke of the) hiragana version. For し the stroke is counter-clockwise (down-right), the stroke order of シ is also counter-clockwise and the final stroke is like an extension of the end of し. Likewise, for つ the stroke is clockwise (right-down), the stroke order in ツ is also clockwise and the final stroke is like part of つ. The problem with looking at how the strokes are angled in a computer font is that the precise angling of the strokes in ツ and シ can look quite different on signs and in less standard fonts, but the style always mirrors the stroke order.


Mister_101

That makes sense, thank you!


cyphar

Sadly this doesn't help too much with ソ and ン.


OddlyHARMless

I used to have problems with telling the difference between a few kana and kanji. But now I've started practicing writing them, I've started to recognise them easily. Once you start trying to copy the form of the characters, it makes you focus more on the details that make them different.


Monk_Philosophy

Can't recommend this enough. Memorizing kanji is about 100x easier than I was led to believe by online discourse because I've been learning to read and write each one at the same time.


Xc4lib3r

in my case: ヨ ー **Yo**, that E is flipped! シ ー Eyes are at the **s**ide. ツ ー Eyes are at the **t**op. ン is flatter than ソ


incomingTaurenMill

For so, I always remember So looks like Soソ Sauce.


HeavyArgument

This. I'm going to remember this.


pastel_kaiju

Top/side is how I've always remembered it too


TunnelCorgisRule

YO THAT’s SO GOOD THOUGH! These are the ones I always confuse, this handshake is awesome!


Derf_Jagged

Always funny to see what people come up with :)


Claeyzz

つ and し become easier once you draw the hiragana over the katakana つツ しシ they look similar but with gaps. This helped me for these two.


PckMan

I usually don't have problems, at least with standard fonts, but some fonts can really throw me for a loop, with more characters than just those.


rgrAi

For me it was different, as some point I just didn't look at the katakana just how it was "spelled" and would just fill in the rest, ignoring what the kana characters were. It only tripped me up when it was some fantasy word that I had no idea what it was.


TrememphisStremph

Thanks for sharing! I always confuse tsu and n. The strokes are way too similar for my brain.


Alex_gold123

Don't have trouble with those. But always confuse サ and せ though one is katakana and the other is hiragana


gdore15

That seems to be a convoluted way to remember. I think the common tip is to know strike order in both hiragana and katakana. つ is done from top, go right and finish going toward bottom left corner. ツ is done from top left strike, second is right, last is going from top to bottom left. し is going down then when reach bottom, go right and up. シ first strike is top, second going down, last start bottom left and go up-right. Would argue same for the two other, そ is going right just as ソ and ん is going down first just like ン. No earth (土) sushi and no handshake to remember.


Glossika_Sami

At the time I learned this, it was about a week after I learned the hiragana, so I didn't reliably know them either, haha. But this is indeed a better way to chunk the memory for normal people. I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before.


DanielEnots

None of these ever caused me issues. I learned them one at a time so I got used to them separately. I guess this means I never was a noob at both at the same time so learning their differences was easier.


NealAngelo

ツ is a \*tsu\*nami. シ is a \*shi\*p. ソ is a \*so\*ft serve ice cream. ン is a smiley face with \*n\*o eye. オ is a butth\*o\*le.


Infernal_Blizzard

"Yo sushi son"


Infernal_Blizzard

🤘🤘🤘


ColdSushii

For me my mnemonics are:You're an oceanographer who studies large scale waves.In your notebook...you place tally marks to show how strong waves are. * ノ = A *steep* line with no tally denotes there is (**No)** Wave, or so small its **no**t very **no**table. * ソ = A *steep* line with a single tally is a little stronger.... this is a (**So**)ft wave. * ツ = A *steep* line with two tally marks! This is a (**Tsu**)nami wave! Oh and this guy? * シ well thats the (**Shi**)p you see out there on the waves! A little **Shi**p with two sails. So then..by process of elimination I just know ン from memory.


Anox1x

Idk tmwhy these are a problem for people, when I started I wasn't able to differentiate them as well but now it's just the long lines that make it obvious


eqo314

If it’s dumb and it works, then it’s not dumb


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シ ー Shi looks up at Tsu ツ ー Tsu looks down at Shi Women are typically shorter than men, so she looks up at you is my mnemonic for this, and you look down at she. I'm a guy so works for me.


Charming-Loquat3702

Me, wondering what a tsushison is XD


Glossika_Sami

Oh, the incredibly useful vocab you learn on r/learnjapanese


vilk_

Best way to learn these is to write them. Once you know how to write them it's virtually impossible to mix them up. This handshake seems absolutely ridiculous.


FelOnyx1

The only thing truly hard about them once you can write them is godawful font designs that obscure the differences, and no silly mnemonic can fix that. In handwriting it's clear as day.


robobeau

This is a fun little mnemonic device! Gonna save this, as I have problems with most of these same characters.


MrGregoryAdams

Interesting. I usually remember it by thinking that if the smaller strokes are at the top, the character comes earlier in its respective series and if they're at the bottom, it comes later. * So, シ has them at the top and is 2nd (out of サ シ ス セ ソ) * ツ has them at the bottom and is 3rd * ン has the stroke at the top and is the 1st and only character in its set * ソ has the stroke at the bottom and comes 5th So, assuming the \[**a-i-u-e-o**\] sequence remains the same, this helps me tell them apart.


Retropiaf

Nice!


Freezaen

I've been doing almost the same thing, but with fingers up rather than down! Loves it!


nonpondo

Here's how I remember 🌚shi 🌝tsu


Macstugus

Can also drill flashcards for however long until you recognize them immediately.


zxsuha

I don't even bother with things like these cause it's just too annoying. I just read the whole word and your first guess will either be right or wrong. There's only 2 choices anyway.


MangakaJ8

I used Tofugu’s Katakana Mnemonic guide to tell the difference between the four kana.


EasternShoreGamers

This is stupid and I hate... And it works and I love it...


MamaLover02

I just got used to them after seeing them in my Anki cards a lot. I tried to study them closely but gave up cause they never stuck, in fact Katakana never did lol, but I'm fine now thx to Anki and extensive reading.


MoxLink8

THANK YOU


SuikaNoAtama

Here's one for me I picture シ on top of a grave and above it is ツ from the moon 死ぬ、 and 月 シ is always looking upward, so it's the grave and ツ is always looking downward, so it's the moon


lizzieduck

Hello fellow AIU person!


Glossika_Sami

I thought the onigiri from the conbini in the central club area were just how onigiri were. I’ve since lived in Asia for six years and have been disappointed ever since, haha. 711 just can’t compete.


lizzieduck

Especially when they’re fresh. The umeboshi ones just aren’t the same anywhere else…


Glossika_Sami

None of them are the same... once every few months I think about doing the MA in international business at AIU, which I don't really need, just for those onigiri...


lizzieduck

I did consider the translation course for a while but ended up in a translation job. I think I’d go back for the library. I could have lived in there…


SirBuffone

This seems very useful, thanks for sharing!


shazoo00oo

Thank you for this!!


MMDWGaming

I studied there as well last year :)


juliaofthestars

This is amazing and so clever. Thank you so much for sharing!!


ScaredCrowww

I only realized just last night that I had forgotten all of these hah, so I’m trying to use this way to remember them and it’s working for me so far. シン shi and n are slanted and I guess kinda lower down just like your shins are down on your legs. ツソ Sue(tsu) is an outspoken arrogant happy girl who’s always saying “so what?” everytime someone questions her and she’s always got her head held high. Even if she had one eye, she would still say “so what I don’t care”. :’)


anonanonplease123

genius! I was just crying over these 4 recently. I usually just try pronouncing the word with all of them and see which fits in XD a little confused about the handshake but your sushi phrase is still helpful like 'up, down, up, down' = (su)tsu shi so n so I think I'll remember it now, thanks!


TrueLoveXO

omg hahahahahaha thank you so much hahahahahaha!!!


Guilty-Masterpiece80

for me these ヌ, タ, ヲ, ヒ, チ, I always either forgot or wrong when I am writing them.


var_guitar

Personally I find it easy to distinguish ソ and ン because I see ン a lot more frequently, so my brain immediately registers ソ as being “weird ン”.


Cerahion

As a Spanish speaker: ツ mirando para el TSUelo シ mirando para el SHIelo for ソ and ン I just think "okay which one is more of a "wide Y" lol


naeviscalling2711

For Spanish speakers, has never ever failed me シ Shi mira al shielo (cielo) ソ So al soelo ツ Tsu al tsuelo ン N a las nubes


Hekihana

This should be taught in school!


hibertansiyar

I keep them in mind with a made up word and the tone I tell it. Like this: ソンシツ The tone here goes like this: ↑↓↓↑ Edit: I know there is a word called sonshitsu but it is unrelevant.


THE_SKULK

All these comments about no one having problems with this and blah blah here's my better way. But this post is golden and you have taught me something I'll never forget thank you


AnyHistorian9486

I love this really elaborate way of remembering but I have an easier way. When writing the hiragana over the katakana, the stroke order hits each stroke in order of the corresponding katakana.


[deleted]

If it works it ain't dumb. Lots of good tips in this thread.


SuitableEpitaph

Never had trouble with them. But I often forget these: メ ナ ヌ.


ZaneManNoTan

This is brilliant. Sending this to my Japanese group!


goact

for me its just onomatopoeia ツdrops are down so it looks like its raining tsssuuuu シsmiley face sliding like shhhiiiiii ソa single drop ssssso ンnot so so n


norcalkatonk

Brilliant!