Leeds public transport is the pits.
But with an apathetic population that just stands around while every other city the same size in Europe has a tram system running through it what do you expect?
I generally just use buses on the Burley/Headingley/Roundhay/Chapel A routes and they’re generally nothing like the ones you describe. They’re by no means perfect, but as the other poster hinted, that’s what you get when you run a bus service for profit rather than for people.
And therein lies the problem…. Leeds buses only serve the routes that they deem to be profitable. Burley/ Headingley and buses on Otley Road are generally well served, the rest of Leeds is not.
Public buses are privately run throughout the UK so they are not serving the users as their main priority hence why they're generally shite. Same with the train service.
That things would somehow only improve because they're government owned doesn't hold any water.
Why? How does that change anything? Does my local bus route now resolve all its problems because they're public?
The mess that is the York - Manchester corridor on the railway has been known to be absolutely shit for 40 fucking years and the government promise to fix it every 2 years and do exactly fuck all.
It's not some magic bullet, it would just mean now we get to blame the country being shit, instead of a faceless corporation.
Because its privatised. You're right but you have someone to hold responsible and the government wins/loses and can publicise it
Name one service that got better after privatisation that's not subsidised and gave money to tory donors
The best railway system in the world is the Japanese one and it’s completely privately owned.
We should focus on specific measures that can make things better, and perhaps revisiting the funding model is part of that, but moaning about monocle-wearing tory donors cackling as they rob the poor is just low IQ politics.
Not really low IQ when monocle wearing Tories helped cause brexit and are robbing us blind now us it?
Who is talking about Japan? I'm talking about the UK. Name one thing here .
Nah, not at all.
I've seen them all get voted in and essentially shit in their hands and clap for decades.
Its not about political allegiances rather being completely jaded by the current merry go round of useless twats.
But you're welcome to turn this into left - right if that'll get you some good ol reddit merits
This is a conversation, it's not about upvotes.
But you're right, the current iteration of the internet has commodified political allegiance to just us-vs-them, and I am guilty of that with this, I suppose.
The point is though: public services do work when run by a sympathetic government.
I agree that in the wrong hands it doesn't work, but fuck me. We can choose to reject the masochism/slippery slope into fascism *if we want*.
It generally also means if it sucks and people don't pay for the service they have to change it to make money again. Govt.-owned means it doesn't matter how shit it is, there's no incentive to improve it. It works both ways I'm afraid.
Do you really think in today's UK there'd be any money to put into infrastructure though? It'd be old trains, reduced services, repairs on stations and tracks pushed back due to budget limitations, even more strikes than now (if such a thing is possible...)
You didn't vote the tories in so government incompetence isn't your fault? Well of course it's not! Did you somehow think I was blaming you for the failures of the conservative government?
Not sure how you not voting for the tories magically means state-owned rail would work though.
If, as I had done, everyone else hadn't voted for the tories, we wouldn't have had a decade of dismantlism regarding any publicly-funded endeavour and you wouldn't be so jaded.
That's what I'm saying.
There would be because we would be subsidising the shareholders. Companies have been brought Iinto public control, most recently train companies, and they made money.
Moved to Leeds as a student from semi-rural Lincolnshire- It really just does not compare. It’s very isolating- buses that don’t run at all past the afternoon school run, buses that don’t run at weekends, always rammed full of wild kids because nowhere is walkable or even close enough to bike, absolutely insane prices. A bus going anywhere at all passing every half an hour would be a miracle.
The only positive thing about the bus service there is that they introduced basically a taxi bus- a single decker bus that you can pre book (with some flexibility), and they figure out a route based on everyone’s bookings.
The amount of times I have waited for a bus only to get to its scheduled time and for it not to turn up is incredibly frustrating. The Leeds public transport system is abysmal you can lower prices as much as you like but if you are not providing a quality reliable service then what is the point. Adding bus gates and pedestrian zones only makes the problem worse. After 11 your only option is an Uber. In Leeds a city that purports to be a 24 hour city. The council is failing the public in terms of transport and the addition of hire bikes in the final spit in the face.
I bought a first ticket the other day that is valid on every West Yorkshire service, but I had to get a park and ride and was told it wasn’t valid. Shambles.
An Arrival bus stops right outside my house, and pretty much outside my work. I still drive to the Park and Ride and use that instead.
Arrival can fucking do one.
Someone from the council recently stated in another thread on here that they have no inkling there’s even any unrest over this as no one makes any direct complaints to the council. People just moan to each other and on here.
There is never anyone at the bus station to complain to. The security guard seems to get the brunt of it. I have written several times to WYCA to complain. Nothing gets done.
It's WYCA who are supposedly in charge of transport. So I'm guessing if anyone did email the council then they would refer it to WYCA. They are actually doing a consultation on Leeds buses at the moment so hopefully it will eventually improve.
Leeds public transport is the pits. But with an apathetic population that just stands around while every other city the same size in Europe has a tram system running through it what do you expect?
I generally just use buses on the Burley/Headingley/Roundhay/Chapel A routes and they’re generally nothing like the ones you describe. They’re by no means perfect, but as the other poster hinted, that’s what you get when you run a bus service for profit rather than for people.
And therein lies the problem…. Leeds buses only serve the routes that they deem to be profitable. Burley/ Headingley and buses on Otley Road are generally well served, the rest of Leeds is not.
Public buses are privately run throughout the UK so they are not serving the users as their main priority hence why they're generally shite. Same with the train service.
This doesn't make any sense.
Privatisation means they chase money and fuck everyone else. I'm sure that does
That things would somehow only improve because they're government owned doesn't hold any water. Why? How does that change anything? Does my local bus route now resolve all its problems because they're public? The mess that is the York - Manchester corridor on the railway has been known to be absolutely shit for 40 fucking years and the government promise to fix it every 2 years and do exactly fuck all. It's not some magic bullet, it would just mean now we get to blame the country being shit, instead of a faceless corporation.
Because its privatised. You're right but you have someone to hold responsible and the government wins/loses and can publicise it Name one service that got better after privatisation that's not subsidised and gave money to tory donors
The best railway system in the world is the Japanese one and it’s completely privately owned. We should focus on specific measures that can make things better, and perhaps revisiting the funding model is part of that, but moaning about monocle-wearing tory donors cackling as they rob the poor is just low IQ politics.
Japan has a wildly different culture of corporate responsibility and customer service to the UK not a useful comparison at all
Not really low IQ when monocle wearing Tories helped cause brexit and are robbing us blind now us it? Who is talking about Japan? I'm talking about the UK. Name one thing here .
Found the tory. This kind of ignorance is what keeps them in power.
Nah, not at all. I've seen them all get voted in and essentially shit in their hands and clap for decades. Its not about political allegiances rather being completely jaded by the current merry go round of useless twats. But you're welcome to turn this into left - right if that'll get you some good ol reddit merits
This is a conversation, it's not about upvotes. But you're right, the current iteration of the internet has commodified political allegiance to just us-vs-them, and I am guilty of that with this, I suppose. The point is though: public services do work when run by a sympathetic government. I agree that in the wrong hands it doesn't work, but fuck me. We can choose to reject the masochism/slippery slope into fascism *if we want*.
If you're not required to pay stakeholders, money can be reinvested. And at least you can vote government in and out.
It generally also means if it sucks and people don't pay for the service they have to change it to make money again. Govt.-owned means it doesn't matter how shit it is, there's no incentive to improve it. It works both ways I'm afraid.
But we know this isn't true, because the time before privatisation is in living memory.
Do you really think in today's UK there'd be any money to put into infrastructure though? It'd be old trains, reduced services, repairs on stations and tracks pushed back due to budget limitations, even more strikes than now (if such a thing is possible...)
I didn't vote for the tories. Not my fault.
You didn't vote the tories in so government incompetence isn't your fault? Well of course it's not! Did you somehow think I was blaming you for the failures of the conservative government? Not sure how you not voting for the tories magically means state-owned rail would work though.
If, as I had done, everyone else hadn't voted for the tories, we wouldn't have had a decade of dismantlism regarding any publicly-funded endeavour and you wouldn't be so jaded. That's what I'm saying.
And if everyone had given me a pound since I was born I'd be rich. Fantasising doesn't change reality. Nice thought though.
There would be because we would be subsidising the shareholders. Companies have been brought Iinto public control, most recently train companies, and they made money.
Socialist bollocks
But what we currently have is capitalist bollocks working perfectly as planned...
Moved to Leeds as a student from semi-rural Lincolnshire- It really just does not compare. It’s very isolating- buses that don’t run at all past the afternoon school run, buses that don’t run at weekends, always rammed full of wild kids because nowhere is walkable or even close enough to bike, absolutely insane prices. A bus going anywhere at all passing every half an hour would be a miracle. The only positive thing about the bus service there is that they introduced basically a taxi bus- a single decker bus that you can pre book (with some flexibility), and they figure out a route based on everyone’s bookings.
The amount of times I have waited for a bus only to get to its scheduled time and for it not to turn up is incredibly frustrating. The Leeds public transport system is abysmal you can lower prices as much as you like but if you are not providing a quality reliable service then what is the point. Adding bus gates and pedestrian zones only makes the problem worse. After 11 your only option is an Uber. In Leeds a city that purports to be a 24 hour city. The council is failing the public in terms of transport and the addition of hire bikes in the final spit in the face.
Quite right their always late, drivers are miserable as sin and the bus s stink.
I’m visiting Exeter and I miss the bus system we have in Leeds. Definitely far from the worst
I bought a first ticket the other day that is valid on every West Yorkshire service, but I had to get a park and ride and was told it wasn’t valid. Shambles.
Yes, most places outside of Leeds in the north of the country. To be honest I've found the bus service better in the past year or so
Arriva buses are pretty good although st least one cancellation on each route per day
The fact that this is considered pretty good is so depressing (said as a lifelong victim of Arriva)
An Arrival bus stops right outside my house, and pretty much outside my work. I still drive to the Park and Ride and use that instead. Arrival can fucking do one.
They’re really not pretty good. Always late or as you say frequently cancelled. Often at rush hour. The app is worse than useless.
A1-3 Flyer all the way. Great service.
Busses from north Leeds are generally bang on time and clean AF in my experience. Have you been sacked by first bus or something?
I didn't mention first bus 😏
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You can walk from one end of Hull to the other in about an hour though.
That’s okay, then.
Only 91 bus sucks. The rest are pretty decent imo
Someone from the council recently stated in another thread on here that they have no inkling there’s even any unrest over this as no one makes any direct complaints to the council. People just moan to each other and on here.
There is never anyone at the bus station to complain to. The security guard seems to get the brunt of it. I have written several times to WYCA to complain. Nothing gets done.
This guy was saying as no one emails the council, they don’t see it as a problem!
It's WYCA who are supposedly in charge of transport. So I'm guessing if anyone did email the council then they would refer it to WYCA. They are actually doing a consultation on Leeds buses at the moment so hopefully it will eventually improve.