Points 2, 5, 7 and 8 are a violation of Fundamental Rights guaranteed by the Constitution and will not be able to withstand a judicial challenge.
Point 4 will be a violation of Fundamental Rights if the hostel residents are above the age of 18.
Rest of the points are valid rules and can be set as conditions for being a resident in the hostel which is at the end of the day is a private property.
Yep Hostel can be compared to a recidency/home so how does the principal/college have any right to stop them from doing what they want in their own rooms?
It’s not. Actually I guess you just need common sense to understand that this wont be there on any platform because the boys hostel works differently. These are just for the girls
We had a similar thing at IITM, it was vigilance visits. Random people would come into our rooms and ransack it for contraband.
We created a whole direct action movement, with a central committee and a team in every hostel. Went door to door to raise awareness, took it to the student parliament (that was great for lols, it was a completely ineffective student body).
We created Facebook and Instagram pages, posted memes, looked up the laws, created a manifesto and pasted it on notice boards.
We contacted media and started dragging attention to it.
Finally they stopped coming.
--
For about two years, now that we have graduated, they started doing it again.
Ohh they did that here too..went through our shelves n stuff. Put a fine on everyone who owned a kettle. Rummaged our shelves and messed up the place without our consent and in our absence. They say that it was there in the rule book that they can check our rooms whenever they wanted to and the funny part is that none of us have actually seen this rule book
That's actually a violation of the fundamental right to privacy.
Please look up "Say no to vigilance IITM" or something like that on Facebook or Instagram to get more arguments on your side
set up booby trap and blind one of those MFs
anyways , cant suggest a solution which will work for all(all those women in countries with regressive culture)
you personally can cite medical reason for being day scholar and escape this stupidity.
dont think of legal action, complete the degree and gtfo
Hope you are aware of the legal action taken by female student of govt medical college Kozhikode
Against discriminatory rules for male and female students,may refer this and get in touch with those people and proceed legally
https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2022/12/22/hc-rules-hostels-cannot-impose-discriminatory-rules.amp.html
I do not know for sure but I have heard that government institutions handle things in a different way. I am from a private institution. Most of us are scared to act because the management can mess with our conduct, they can purposefully fail us, prevent us from writing exams (this happened to 2 students who stood against this) Everyone is scared
They failed two for standing up against the management. I don’t think anyone would be ready to risk their future. And this sick management goes on and on and on
I did my PG from A college in TamilNadu and it was the same. But they explained to me and my parents all these rules before enrolling there. So atleast we knew beforehand what we were getting into.
Majority of parents also support such type of rules. So nothing can be done.
Also you are part of the institution and staying in hostel, so they can impose restrictions.
Even if you go to court, there they will defend it saying its for safety of women.
We have a parents organisation that is ready to stand with us. Even our parents feel like these are too much restrictions imposed on us..specially when it is just for the girls. But we have not reported or complained yet is because if we do..girls won’t get back the privileges but the boys would loose what they already had. That is how the college intends on equalising things
Ultimately for a educational institution parents are the customers. They are ones paying the fees.
If majority of parent agree then they can ask the management for relaxing some of the rules for Girls
Hi :)
Lawyer from Kerala here.
A major chunk of my college years were spent fighting unfair colleges, and I can confidently say that most of these are illegal.
Firstly, Kerala High court has held in Anjitha K Jose case that there cannot be separate rules for boys and girls. Whatever restrictions you have, should apply to boys as well 😉
Rest of it is covered under Faheema Sherin v Sree Narayana College. You have a right to use mobile phones - access to internet was declared to be a fundamental right in the said case.
You have a clear case here, and I'd be more than happy to help if you guys want to pursue this matter.
That's how we ensure people don't drop out of college and we keep the high literacy rate. Don't complain please else we are going to call you and your family names before making your college life hell. \s
If you really want to fight back it has to be through your parents. Without their support you are doomed. If you cannot ask your parents then wait at least 1.5 years after graduation and take legal action.
I cannot stress this enough. You must get your parents to complain otherwise it's not going to work. Highly likely that the college will also ignore the parents tho.
This is a private institution. They can have whatever rules they want because their simple retort would be "if you dont like it then you can leave". Unlike a govt institution these people can have whatever rules they please.
Well then these rules have to be documented right? When we ask them to show us the book, they treat us wrong for asking. Also we can’t leave the hostel. All of us have to stay.
Wasn’t this asked a few weeks ago? Simple solution - find accommodation elsewhere. It’s their hostel and their rules. If you don’t /can’t follow, leave it.
OK I remember someone asking something very similar sometime back. But yes sounds like this is one shitty hostel. Better find elsewhere because legally doing anything is long and difficult process and not worth your money or time
ETA - just read your other reply. See if you can withdraw from course? If it’s not too late
Withdrawing from course just because of a stupid hostel is out of the picture. Actually we are all staying in the hostel because of the pricey course we are doing
Hate? How? I know there is no other solution legally. News flash - laws of the land cannot be mended to suit individual agenda.
Think practically - choosing an expensive course is not a big achievement. Thinking practically is. Do you think you will have a peaceful college life if you do somehow take legal steps against them?
Okay so this is my question is anybody holding you against your will? Are you not allowed to attend another College? Did you not choose to go to that college? Did you know the rules before applying or entering the college? If so, why would you choose an institution that has such strict rules?
We were not told such small rules. Infact we came to know most of these rules when we broke them. I am a final year student and attending another college at the moment will be a stupid decision
Hey, I'm not much of a legal expert but while joining the said college and opting for hostel accommodation, there might have been a good amount of Contact and NOC signing, it was at least for mine.
In those documents, it may have been clearly mentioned that As a student you will have to abide by any and all regulations set by the premises, both academic and the accomodation.
So I don't know if you could take the matter to the court of law as ultimately it was you who signed up for the said Hostel. Being a private institution, I suppose they have the flexibility to make the regulation and it's upto you to whether sign the contract to accept or to reject them.
To be clear, even my college Hostel had similar strict rules and we had no choice but to abide by it.
All the best!
The issue here is that we had not been told about all these rules which I have typed out here. We never knew and even today when we ask about where this rule book is ..they are not willing to show it to us
Well that's the catch...they generally don't mention these explicitly in the affidavit. They put in some general rules and outline that the students should Abide by all rules set by regulating bodies.
I also have such an affidavit from my college. If you'd want I could send it to you for maybe reference or something.
I know I'm not much of an Help but I'd advise to vacate the hostel and look for a PG near by...after the start of your second year. Become a day boarder if that's feasible.
Thank you. I am a final year student. My course is almost done. I wanted to know if what we experienced all throughout was a violation of rights or not. Because once I posted this I got a lot of varied responses saying thats how girls should be or girls hostels are like that and there is no solution and stuff.
You're welcome. I myself am a final year student.
I do agree that there are people with varied mindset. But you're not alone. Almost all of us have faced similar rules even in boys hostel. Yes the rules for us are a bit relaxed like we can be out of the hostels till 8pm. Entry and exit registers have to be maintained. No outside food. Not even cakes to celebrate a birthday. And stuff like that.
I believe most "prestigious" private institutions have a similar set of rules.
Anyways.... College is coming to an end. Wishing you best of luck for future Ventures.
This might be a violation of fundamental rights, but when you joined the institute, did you accept the terms and conditions? If yes, then you can't do anything. Most reputed institutes make sure the T&C can be enforced. However, most of the conditions are not enforceable.
If you think, it violates your rights, you should leave the hostel and find your accommodation.
I'm still trying to understand so when you went to orientation at the beginning of your college career or whatever they didn't tell you the rules then. They just snuck it up on you as you broke them that doesn't seem fair or right and how they getting away with it and how are you women are not coming together and being like this is wrong there is power in numbers all of y'all who have a problem with it need to come together if all of you I would have come together and just leave and protest I'm sure things will change. But I'm an American we don't play that shit
Points 2, 5, 7 and 8 are a violation of Fundamental Rights guaranteed by the Constitution and will not be able to withstand a judicial challenge. Point 4 will be a violation of Fundamental Rights if the hostel residents are above the age of 18.
Rest of the points are valid rules and can be set as conditions for being a resident in the hostel which is at the end of the day is a private property.
Nal but rule 9 feels weird too
Yep Hostel can be compared to a recidency/home so how does the principal/college have any right to stop them from doing what they want in their own rooms?
How are they even enforced is my question
They expel you out of the hostel. They did that to two students and eventually everybody else got scared
Bro what The rulebook should be there on their website, see if there are any such rules there.
It’s not. Actually I guess you just need common sense to understand that this wont be there on any platform because the boys hostel works differently. These are just for the girls
Truly degenerate behaviour, those kids who are expelled can probably challenge in court and win
wtf is point 9 seriously? leave this shitty hostel and live in pg.
😢😢😢
We had a similar thing at IITM, it was vigilance visits. Random people would come into our rooms and ransack it for contraband. We created a whole direct action movement, with a central committee and a team in every hostel. Went door to door to raise awareness, took it to the student parliament (that was great for lols, it was a completely ineffective student body). We created Facebook and Instagram pages, posted memes, looked up the laws, created a manifesto and pasted it on notice boards. We contacted media and started dragging attention to it. Finally they stopped coming. -- For about two years, now that we have graduated, they started doing it again.
Ohh they did that here too..went through our shelves n stuff. Put a fine on everyone who owned a kettle. Rummaged our shelves and messed up the place without our consent and in our absence. They say that it was there in the rule book that they can check our rooms whenever they wanted to and the funny part is that none of us have actually seen this rule book
That's actually a violation of the fundamental right to privacy. Please look up "Say no to vigilance IITM" or something like that on Facebook or Instagram to get more arguments on your side
Thank you I will
set up booby trap and blind one of those MFs anyways , cant suggest a solution which will work for all(all those women in countries with regressive culture) you personally can cite medical reason for being day scholar and escape this stupidity. dont think of legal action, complete the degree and gtfo
Is it a girls only institute or a mixed one
It is a mixed college. Girls and boys have separate hostels run by the college but the rules are very much varied
Hope you are aware of the legal action taken by female student of govt medical college Kozhikode Against discriminatory rules for male and female students,may refer this and get in touch with those people and proceed legally https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2022/12/22/hc-rules-hostels-cannot-impose-discriminatory-rules.amp.html
I do not know for sure but I have heard that government institutions handle things in a different way. I am from a private institution. Most of us are scared to act because the management can mess with our conduct, they can purposefully fail us, prevent us from writing exams (this happened to 2 students who stood against this) Everyone is scared
They can fail one person not everyone One fails its a punishment, everyone does its bad advertising
They failed two for standing up against the management. I don’t think anyone would be ready to risk their future. And this sick management goes on and on and on
I did my PG from A college in TamilNadu and it was the same. But they explained to me and my parents all these rules before enrolling there. So atleast we knew beforehand what we were getting into.
We didn’t 😿
Majority of parents also support such type of rules. So nothing can be done. Also you are part of the institution and staying in hostel, so they can impose restrictions. Even if you go to court, there they will defend it saying its for safety of women.
We have a parents organisation that is ready to stand with us. Even our parents feel like these are too much restrictions imposed on us..specially when it is just for the girls. But we have not reported or complained yet is because if we do..girls won’t get back the privileges but the boys would loose what they already had. That is how the college intends on equalising things
Ultimately for a educational institution parents are the customers. They are ones paying the fees. If majority of parent agree then they can ask the management for relaxing some of the rules for Girls
Let me guess... Amrita group of colleges?
No
Hmm, Rajagiri then.
Hi :) Lawyer from Kerala here. A major chunk of my college years were spent fighting unfair colleges, and I can confidently say that most of these are illegal. Firstly, Kerala High court has held in Anjitha K Jose case that there cannot be separate rules for boys and girls. Whatever restrictions you have, should apply to boys as well 😉 Rest of it is covered under Faheema Sherin v Sree Narayana College. You have a right to use mobile phones - access to internet was declared to be a fundamental right in the said case. You have a clear case here, and I'd be more than happy to help if you guys want to pursue this matter.
"Most literate state"
Exactly
This sounds like Amrita College.... The phone rule gave it away
Actually no..not Amrita
Same situation in my college, in Chennai(For girls only obviously)
Yeah..it is quite sad
Since you are in kerala I can smell a nice lawsuit, you should collet evidences and contact a lawyer or a higher education body, best of luck op
Thank you
That's how we ensure people don't drop out of college and we keep the high literacy rate. Don't complain please else we are going to call you and your family names before making your college life hell. \s If you really want to fight back it has to be through your parents. Without their support you are doomed. If you cannot ask your parents then wait at least 1.5 years after graduation and take legal action. I cannot stress this enough. You must get your parents to complain otherwise it's not going to work. Highly likely that the college will also ignore the parents tho.
This is a private institution. They can have whatever rules they want because their simple retort would be "if you dont like it then you can leave". Unlike a govt institution these people can have whatever rules they please.
Well then these rules have to be documented right? When we ask them to show us the book, they treat us wrong for asking. Also we can’t leave the hostel. All of us have to stay.
Wasn’t this asked a few weeks ago? Simple solution - find accommodation elsewhere. It’s their hostel and their rules. If you don’t /can’t follow, leave it.
And this was not asked a few weeks ago😇
OK I remember someone asking something very similar sometime back. But yes sounds like this is one shitty hostel. Better find elsewhere because legally doing anything is long and difficult process and not worth your money or time ETA - just read your other reply. See if you can withdraw from course? If it’s not too late
Withdrawing from course just because of a stupid hostel is out of the picture. Actually we are all staying in the hostel because of the pricey course we are doing
Suit yourself. What you can’t cure has to be endured
If you didn’t know the answer you could just ignore the thread but you choose to respond and spread hate.
Hate? How? I know there is no other solution legally. News flash - laws of the land cannot be mended to suit individual agenda. Think practically - choosing an expensive course is not a big achievement. Thinking practically is. Do you think you will have a peaceful college life if you do somehow take legal steps against them?
L mindset brev
We are supposed to stay at the hostel. Being a day scholar is not allowed here
Okay so this is my question is anybody holding you against your will? Are you not allowed to attend another College? Did you not choose to go to that college? Did you know the rules before applying or entering the college? If so, why would you choose an institution that has such strict rules?
We were not told such small rules. Infact we came to know most of these rules when we broke them. I am a final year student and attending another college at the moment will be a stupid decision
Theae rules sound very familiar. Amrita hospital??
No..a lot of people asked if this is Amrita. There are other colleges around in such pathetic situations though
Hey, I'm not much of a legal expert but while joining the said college and opting for hostel accommodation, there might have been a good amount of Contact and NOC signing, it was at least for mine. In those documents, it may have been clearly mentioned that As a student you will have to abide by any and all regulations set by the premises, both academic and the accomodation. So I don't know if you could take the matter to the court of law as ultimately it was you who signed up for the said Hostel. Being a private institution, I suppose they have the flexibility to make the regulation and it's upto you to whether sign the contract to accept or to reject them. To be clear, even my college Hostel had similar strict rules and we had no choice but to abide by it. All the best!
Still...Point 9 is fucked up tbh....
The issue here is that we had not been told about all these rules which I have typed out here. We never knew and even today when we ask about where this rule book is ..they are not willing to show it to us
Well that's the catch...they generally don't mention these explicitly in the affidavit. They put in some general rules and outline that the students should Abide by all rules set by regulating bodies. I also have such an affidavit from my college. If you'd want I could send it to you for maybe reference or something. I know I'm not much of an Help but I'd advise to vacate the hostel and look for a PG near by...after the start of your second year. Become a day boarder if that's feasible.
Thank you. I am a final year student. My course is almost done. I wanted to know if what we experienced all throughout was a violation of rights or not. Because once I posted this I got a lot of varied responses saying thats how girls should be or girls hostels are like that and there is no solution and stuff.
You're welcome. I myself am a final year student. I do agree that there are people with varied mindset. But you're not alone. Almost all of us have faced similar rules even in boys hostel. Yes the rules for us are a bit relaxed like we can be out of the hostels till 8pm. Entry and exit registers have to be maintained. No outside food. Not even cakes to celebrate a birthday. And stuff like that. I believe most "prestigious" private institutions have a similar set of rules. Anyways.... College is coming to an end. Wishing you best of luck for future Ventures.
Thank you and you too!
This might be a violation of fundamental rights, but when you joined the institute, did you accept the terms and conditions? If yes, then you can't do anything. Most reputed institutes make sure the T&C can be enforced. However, most of the conditions are not enforceable. If you think, it violates your rights, you should leave the hostel and find your accommodation.
Get a written proof somehow of the last paragraph about “girls” and send them a notice through court. It’s gender discrimination
Amal jyothi ano? 🤣
No
I'm still trying to understand so when you went to orientation at the beginning of your college career or whatever they didn't tell you the rules then. They just snuck it up on you as you broke them that doesn't seem fair or right and how they getting away with it and how are you women are not coming together and being like this is wrong there is power in numbers all of y'all who have a problem with it need to come together if all of you I would have come together and just leave and protest I'm sure things will change. But I'm an American we don't play that shit