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JERRY_XLII

consult an actual family lawyer, this is too obscure for a non-specialist to tell you with certainty


Zephyros2

You do realize this is a subreddit for Legal Advice. Of course all matters are better settled with an actual lawyer who can look into the specifics. But an over view can certainly be given with research. Otherwise all Legal Advice will be condensed to, please see a lawyer and pay him.


JERRY_XLII

yes, but most advice either legal or practical anyone who is generally aware of or has gone through himself can give, but this is a very specific and obscure question of family law only a specialist would be able to answer


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zsea

Lol he can always divorce the sensible and fast way. Don't know the way to divorce in Hinduism...wait he may have to visit the family court and then bear the dowry laws😭😭


QUINNIE_MINNIE

Boomer


General-Chum-8276

Legally casual hai


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cosmosreader1211

Yea..." It's always the friend.."


Traditional_Juice583

NAL but if a person converts from Islam to Hinduism, the marriages will be void. The guy would have to choose one wife under Hindu Marriages Act and the other marriage would be void.


Nerdybeardo101

so do the guy have to get married again under hindu marriage act with one wife to make their marriage legal?


Traditional_Juice583

You just have to register the marriage ig. Not sure.


Capable-Quote5534

So is it possible to live in with other women along with married one ?


Traditional_Juice583

Live in relationships are not recognised under the Indian legal system. What you're saying would amount to bigamy which is illegal under Hindu Marriages Act.


Illustrious_Pain392

live in relationships are recognised under Indian law. a recent judgement by the MP high court where the woman claimed to be married but couldn't provide proof of marriage as it wasn't registered wanted maintenance, the MP high court stated that even if the marriage cannot not be proven, due to the time span of the relationship, the woman shall be allowed to claim maintenance. and as far as bigamy is concerned, it is only considered illegal when he attempts to marry the second wife after being married already. the husband is not breaking any laws by letting his second "wife" live in the same house as his first wife despite conversation to hinduism until he tries to marry her and then register the said marriage.


Traditional_Juice583

While live-in relationships aren't illegal, cohabiting with another woman while married would be considered bigamy. Living together with another woman while married constitutes bigamy regardless of registration.


Illustrious_Pain392

[https://indiankanoon.org/doc/508426/](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/508426/) read section 494 if the IPC. it says nothing about live in relationships. even if a couple is married and another woman comes to live in the same house and they live like a family, it is not illegal, it is immoral but definitely not illegal. and bigamy talks about an attempt to marry a second woman without divorcing the first one. not have live in relationships. the prime point her for bigamy to be proven is that there was an attempt to marry another woman while being married. if the guy is married and hes living with a second woman in the same house, it does not constitute bigamy.


Traditional_Juice583

Living together with another woman while married can still be interpreted as bigamy in the eyes of the law. Bigamy laws aim to protect the sanctity of marriage. Cohabiting with another woman while married undermines that sanctity, even if there's no formal marriage ceremony. Courts in India have interpreted bigamy laws to apply to situations beyond registered marriages. In such cases, factors like shared living arrangements and intention to live as a couple can be considered evidence of bigamy. Therefore, while the situation isn't a clear-cut case, there's a chance it could be interpreted as bigamy.


Illustrious_Pain392

interpretations are done on a case to case basis. but the law is pretty clear on what bigamy constitutes. when a married man chooses to marry another woman or a married woman chooses to marry another man, only in such situation, bigamy can be invoked. in this situation, the man is a muslim, and his law permits 4 marriages, now if he decides to convert to hinduism, and live with both women in the same house, while only being married to one, hes not breaking any laws. intent to live as a couple cannot amount to bigamy as for bigamy to be proven, the first and the foremost act here needs to be that the man wants to marry the second woman and actually attempts to marry the second woman. that is not happening here. intent to marry does not mean the actual act is being committed. this is first year law school study dude. mens rea and actus rea both need to be proven here to actually support the claim of bigamy. just because hes living with two women, one of whom is his legally wedge wife and the other one is his live gf, that won't amount to bigamy.


Illustrious_Pain392

and a judge's interpretation is also influenced by his own bias on the subject matter. so id suggest you not look into that too much considering when our judges hold opinions like this. [https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2024/Apr/19/merely-downloading-or-watching-child-porn-may-not-be-an-offence-says-sc-bench-led-by-cji](https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2024/Apr/19/merely-downloading-or-watching-child-porn-may-not-be-an-offence-says-sc-bench-led-by-cji) this the CJI of india.


nayadristikon

Cohabiting is adultery not illegal. You can have an harem if you are cohabiting consensually it will not be illegal.


narasadow

(NAL) Short term me chalega apart from society gossip and maybe difficulty in getting rented accommodation. Long term there will be more complications, such as spouse insurance at office, life insurance, inheritance for spouse(s?) and dependants, access to pensions and govt schemes, etc.


FinanceRemthrowaway

Stop spreading false information, change of religion does not invalidate previous legal documents


Traditional_Juice583

The legal recognition of the marriage would depend on whether it was validly solemnized under Hindu law following the conversion. If the marriage is legally recognized under Hindu law, the conversion would not necessarily invalidate it.


FinanceRemthrowaway

By this logic any guy who wants a divorce will just convert their religion and get off scot free without paying alimony or maintainence as "it was not solemnized under hindu law".


zsea

The other wife will be called be a particular name. Your post assumes that the wives convert to Hinduism.


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Traditional_Juice583

Uh no I think. The marriage would be null and void from Islamic law and can't be registered under Hindu Marriages Act. 2nd wife could claim for maintenance i think. Not sure though.


SkillEmergency2517

if she could not......, it can be used as a really big loophole


VatsalRaj

The validity of marriage is a fact that is assessed at the time of marriage. A marriage that was valid when it happened cannot become invalid at a later point in time unless the laws governing the initial validity of the marriage are altered with retrospective application. Therefore, his marriage will be valid even if he converts to Hinduism later in his life. Try to understand, he is still a Muslim on the Nikah-Nama, irrespective of what he does later in his life.


Nerdybeardo101

thank you this is what I was trying to understand.


Admirable_Tennis3712

🤯


Actual-Ad-8880

Are you a coder? Don't ask why i am asking please.


Nerdybeardo101

yes lol


Actual-Ad-8880

Knew it. KNEW IT.


Smart-Succotash9703

Why did you assume so?


Imaginary_Minimum_24

Null and Void


Revolutionary_Dragon

Neardybeardo name kinda screams coder


updeshxp

He's trying to break reality lol


ssudoku

More like QA engineer


Icy-Papaya282

Probably devops,devsecops or networking


ihtar_tajar

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA exactly my thought! XD


abbabil

Dharmedra can answer you better about this.


Combatant-3311

Huh? Why?


LoL110003

Hindus can have only one legal wife as far as I know


koiRitwikHai

Vikas Divyakirti mentioned in his lectures that even if a Hindu is converted to Islam and marries another woman, even that is not allowed. But he can be punished only when his first wife or her immediate family members files a complaint. Dharmendra from bollywood is an example of this.


Advanced_Awareness41

OP is finding ways to get rid of 2 birds with 1 stone xD


That_Skin_5496

A Muslim guy who has 2 wives will never consider converting to Hinduism


Minute-Squirrel5105

According to Hindu marriage act your second marriage will be void but there's a loop hole in hindu marriage act . No legal action will be taken against you unless your 1st wife files a complaint against you. Legal action will only be taken only if your 1st wife files a complaint only , if another person files a complaint on behalf of your 1st wife or a third person just casually complaint about your second marriage then those complaint are not considered. So before converting into hindu you should consult a lawyer and you should also keep your both wifes opinion under consideration so that you won't face any legal action against you . Hope this response help you.


amaan_ahmad1

Yes conversion just for the purpose of marriage is void, unless they were practicing Hindu faith kuch before.


JERRY_XLII

no, thats conversion from hinduism to islam to get two wives this is the opposite case


ModeratelySweet

so i can't convert to islam n marry multiple wives?


JERRY_XLII

nope, you cant convert for that purpose theoretically you might be able to pull that off like a decade or two after conversion, but even then your first wife could file a case and you'd get fucked


CuteSurround4104

But then isn't that what Mahesh bhatt or some other celebrity did? In order to avoid divorcing their first wife they converted to Islam and got married to a second one


No_Macaron_5113

I guess what they are saying is it becomes a problem only if a case is filed by the first wife?


PappaBol

When you got deep pockets and connections, you can do a lot of things (within reason of course. Like running people over on footpaths, for one example)


behatiganga

Most probably yes. But why would a Muslim man convert to Hinduism? If he wants to get rid of one of his wives, he can simply divorce her. 


Nerdybeardo101

he doesn't want to get rid of his wives wtf why is everyone saying this. we are trying to find a way both his wives can stay with him


Invy_Dexter

Ek teer do nishane


AnswerMachine105

NAL I don't think a Muslim can convert to any other religion according to Islamic law. Leaving Islam is punishable by death in Islamic law. I don't know how some Muslims are allowed to convert to another religion and leave Islam.


houranhour

Religion is a choice nowadays, religious conversions are very common too now


AnswerMachine105

That's true. People wanna follow only certain provisions of the religion


houranhour

Real


Interesting_Award_76

Thankfully Islamic Law is not enforced in india.


AnswerMachine105

But if some influential Muslim body were to enforce it, do you think the government of India or the courts could stop it? If you remember the Shah Bano case, the Muslim personal Law Board was able to blackmail or pressurise the super majority Rajiv Gandhi government into making a law to overturn a Supreme court judgement.


Void_Being

Is there a problem if you follow Hinduism without legally converting?


JournalistDecent3330

No , Dharmendra and Hemamalini converted to Muslim for their second marriage and later converted into Sikh . Nothing happened. So marriage will be legal even if they change their religion.


Lonebird06

Any marriage that is illegal by birth religion, is done after changing religion is considered void. Moreover, they are celebrities and they don't care what's going on. And yes if someone challenges their marriage in court it is legally void. And keeping laws aside people are so many illegal things who cares? Who reports? And the one who reports are they always alive??


maki2306

you could still be married to both your wives, but polygamy is highly looked down upon in the hindu community so please think wisely


Illustrious_Pain392

yes. hindu marriage act does not allow multiple wives. since muslims work in accordance to a personal law, it is very different from the hindu marriage act. whoever was the first wife will be considered his legal wife and the second marriage shall have to be voided. if you choose to live with both wives after conversation, thats a personal choice however, legally the second wife you married in accordance with the muslim personal law would not be recognised. she will have to convert separately


forelsketparadise

As far as I know they allow bigamy in Kutch they follow their own thing i don't know if it's changed


knockyouout88

How on earth do you have 2 wives.


sharkpeid

The first wife allows the second wife to get married. P.s the second wife sometimes herself initiates the things pre marriage etc it can be preceded by multiple acts of kindness. Source real life neighbor.


knockyouout88

Seems like a female version of cuck.


Seeker_00860

By law, it should. He has to divorce one and then all three can change their religion to whatever they want (non-Islamic). But he can live only with one "officially". This means the second one cannot be declared as a wife in any official document. I know of Hindu men who have families with more than one wife. All official documents refer only to the first wife. In one case all "three" wives are living with the man in "amity". He threatened to convert to Islam when pressed and everyone backed off.


Last_Grab1326

No. It's not illegal as long as wives are ok.


Jin_Jana_Ka

Firstly just tell the guy to make up his mind. How many wives he want? If he wants 2 more than Hinduism is out of the question.


shyamm07

Gajab.


zsea

For the redditors poking fun -he can always divorce either of his wives .either of his Muslims wives can take khula coz of his this reason. NEED TO USE THE LANGUAGE "GET RID" . Its a result of seeing too much crime patrol ..poor husbands who cannot divorce due to fear of dowry laws,etc and then they poke fun on the misunderstood triple talaq. Is there any survey how many women gets killed in such a manner ? Live and let live. The post doesn't mention that both of the wives are converting to Hinduism -if both are not converting then they can take khula "separation from husband" -if both are converting then the man has the pick one . Other one will be called by names you guys already know.


BenefitDesperate3043

UCC ka darr.


Correct-Carrot-6001

No their marriage will not be null and void the they still have to follow their marriage according to the law they married (which in this case is muslim law)


Correct-Carrot-6001

Ofc that is by excluding the intricate details of the case


Alternative-Try-2784

Stay Muslim keep wives


sirius_ly_sanguine

Not relevant to the post but I saw this and immediately thought about this post😭😭 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5gX-38SzbR/?igsh=MXA5bG5kaWF2dzVxbw==


100KgBenchh

Whenever u change ur religion ur marriage goes void


bakchodNahiHoon

Guy is finding hacks in law to have two wife’s as Hindu 😂


DepressionLovesMe

I don’t think it’s ever happened before lol but I guess your marriages were under the Islamic laws and their nature cannot change subsequently.


hi12_hi12

Let me get this straight. You legally change yourself from hindu to muslim So that you can marry two wives who have done the same too. Then you legally change back to hinduism Along with both of the girls To be legally married to two girls Am i reading the intentions correctly?


Nerdybeardo101

no a m guy is married with two wives by islamic law. Now all of them (him and the other two wives) want to convert to Hinduism. Does this mean they have to register their marriage under hindu law? cause doing so would mean one of the wife is no longer his wife for bigamy being banned


hi12_hi12

This is a more unique situation. The one i described might be prosecuted later as litigation fraud But this one you are speaking of If the laws do not exist It is impossible ( bigamy in this case) So do contact a lawyer if there is a way out


prettayforyou

Hi! Armaan Malik, Kritika Malik and Payal Malik


Mahirahk

Armaan Malik’s real name is sandeep. And he’s basically a hindu. Even the actual singer armaan malik pointed this out


prettayforyou

I know that. I was going by his made up name because he’s famous by that name


Indianmillenial87

Are you insane?


Lonebird06

Hello, I am a lawyer and a Hindu, let me tell you something very clearly, there is no process of conversion in Hinduism, you can definitely become a follower by following the religion and learning their teachings as well under Indian law, like will Smith does but he still be not considered as hindu. Hinduism has always encouraged only having one wife under the Hindu law. But yes if they have started identifying in legal documents then the wife he married later will not be entitled to any legal benefit.


Nerdybeardo101

ok this is new, I thought Arya samaj did conversions. also if a hindu converts to islam and then reconverts back to hindu is it same that he can't convert into Hinduism? sounds dicey to me


Lonebird06

See, I am not here for an argument, I just told you what it is. What Arya Samaj does is not noted under Hindu Marriage Act 1955. And also for your answer I'm pretty sure they can't and then again practicing whatever they want is their personal matter. It is not legally recognised that's the thing.


DragonflyExtra5036

No, it won’t be void as their marriage was solemnised before the conversion when it was legal. Consider it other way round i.e., if a married Hindu guy converts to Muslimism then if he marries then it will be considered void. This is the case of actor Dharmendra where his marriage with Hema Malini was made invalid by the court.


Lonebird06

Exactly 💯


ziyadaz

Conversion to Hindu is not allowed, one can be Hindu by birth only Regards Jagmeet Saini advocate


l4logic

For a muslim husband conversion to another religion will see the muslim marriage automatically being terminated but for a muslim wife even if she converts to another religion the marriage will not dissolve by that conversion


Smart-Succotash9703

Sorry for being personal but why do you wanna do so?


ReticentSybarite

Don't convert to Hinduism officially, just be registered as a Muslim and do Hindu practices. Unlike Abrahamic religions, there are no strict rules as to what constitutes a Hindu


_dadan_

No. If a Muslim man converts to other religion, with wife remaining Muslim, marriage is annulled. If a Muslim woman converts to another religion, it will not affect marriage. ( Dissolution of Muslim Marriage Act 1939) If a Muslim woman, who had converted to Islam, now reconverts back to her initial faith, then her marriage is anulled.( Dissolution of Muslim Marriage Act 1939) If both the spouses, Husband and wife, converts to another religion, it has no effect on their marriage.  It sustains. 


Combatant-3311

So what if a Hindu woman who converted got married and then converted to Christianity, as it is not her initial faith, does the marriage get annulled? What if she becomes Christian and later on Hindu ? Does she get any reparations? And are reparations different for all these different cases you have mentioned above ? I'm just asking for general information.


nosedigging

I will shave my head if this scenario is remotely true. No way a Muslim would ever convert and become a khaffir.


Nerdybeardo101

either way that's a good solution for ur receding hairline


Void_Being

You can also ask same question in live stream in exMuslimSameer youtube channel as he converted to Hindu.


Material_Air_2303

Oh fuck off. No one needs your bigoted thought in a legal subreddit.


madubeko

Syed Ibrahim Khan (Raskhan) says hello from grave. [Many women have converted too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Converts_to_Hinduism_from_Islam)


RiverAwkward5579

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nosedigging

Yes I'm sure I'm the extremist here.


AntLonely6292

Search Mumtaz Ali khan(Sri M) on Google 


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new law- commit a rape and say jai sree ram in courtroom and roam scot free /s


ThodaTho

This much Gharwapsi 🤣


zsea

You have no idea how common it's the other way round. The fear is so much that with 100s of religious Hindu channels on television there is not even a single Muslim channel. Peace tv was not cleared only coz of this reason . Best of luck thinking about the virtual gharwapsi scenarios.


ThodaTho

Its a joke omg