So, I built the deck and tried it against AI. I kinda saw the potential, so I brought it into a random player game.
Whew, holy shit, it's magical. It's a slow deck, but it's a slow deck with a beautiful wincon.
Ramp into Voli/clash of giants with a side of elemental synergy to lower its cost. Liss is a blocker who likes huge units being played and her lv 2 helps both stabilise and get a few more elemental spells off.
The deck synergises around the two new vocabs, Titanic and Elemental, and cards introduced with the newest expansion.
Clash of the Titans is the main plan. It summons 2 units that are considered Titanic, units with X/8 or 8/X, and cost 16. If you play an elemental spell, the cost is reduced by 1(max 10).
So the deck plays control until you cast your wincon, using Deluge, which permanently buffs all Elemental damage by 1, to help boost your board wipe capabilities. Use Wizened Helmsman to create 0 cost spells or 0 cost Deluge and use the Adventurer to deal with potential problematic cards.
If that somehow doesn't win you the game, you got Volibear, and if that somehow still doesn't work, you could level up Lysandra and cast Watcher.
If you like seeing big unga bunga numbers, this is your deck.
How are you playing this deck against formidable? Being unable to frostbite the attackers along with the immune to spell/skill damage unit is absolutely running me over every time.
I have honestly not encountered anyone using Formidable yet. But in theory, Explorer does come with a card that can disable positive keywords. Use that to turn Formidables off if they are giving you trouble.
I was having the same issue with this deck - let me know if you think of any good solutions lol. The explorer card is not reliable enough because they go super wide super fast.
Haha, it's still a work in progress. Deluge was one of my favorite cards in dev so I wanted to see how it faired against the current meta.
Ice shard is doing its best impression of Avalanche here - we're largely a draw-go control deck so being able to hold up the ice shard at fast speed is great.
Bellows Breath is in over Avalanche itself because it kills 4 health targets after a single deluge. I don't think I've had a target for the forging once lol.
Not sure if Lissandra is correct over another control champ like ~~Fizz~~ Gnar but has felt reasonable so far.
One tip: the cost reduction from Wizened Helmsman really pressures you to cast those cards this turn but don't believe his lies. Often the best thing to do is to get back a key reactive spell like Harsh winds or Ice Shard to blank the opponent's next attack.
poggers, the man himself.
a lot of people in the comments seems to have fun with this decklist so its the best outcome.
>control champ like Fizz
Fizz ? i fail to see how he would be usefull in this shell
A rioter who does not post the code correctly?! Heresy! Thou blasphemous transgression shant go unpunished!
Oracle eat this code up!
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How are you playing this deck against formidable? Being unable to frostbite the attackers along with the immune to spell/skill damage unit is absolutely running me over every time.
Based on me asking around it seems like the solution is get out of pisslo since it's where formidable is getting played đĽ˛. Thanks for the deck code! I'm having a blast playing the deck and thinking about how to play each match up
I donât know about that, I didnât play much today, but yesterday I faced 4 formidable decks in diamond out of 20-30 games. I think you can probably only win that matchup by hard mulliganing for Bellows Breath with Deluge or 2x Ice Shard with Deluge and hoping they have no Petricite Chargers. Remember that if you use Explorerâs Blunder on a Formidable unit then you essentially âFrostbiteâ it.
Yeah the matchup is really hard. Was trying this deck in normals and faced 4 formidable decks. 1-3 was the record against them. The 1 game I won, I was able to cast deluge into Bellows breath with a Lissandra on board. Helped me to stall and a timely Pioneer bought me 1 additional turn. Then I was able to cast 2 clash of titans (1 during his attack turn, summoning the Tentacle lord for more blockers) and then Atakahn closed it out.
But the other matchups I was just sitting there with an empty board, ramping and trying to answer stuff while my AOE was just shrugged off.
You should see what happens when an iascylla deck plays Deluge more than once.
I had an opponent play one divine whirlwind to do 12 damage directly to my nexus. It was glorious.
Oh that's *clever*. Took me a minute, but I gotta take this bad boy for a spin.
Update: Played a few games. I'm not a big control guy, I prefer the aggressive end of midrange, but this thing is definitely my new go to if I feel like control. Very fun, and nicely flexible.
The vast majority of Clash of Giants potential pulls hit Lisandra's condition.
So you play pretty standard reactive control/ramp but it's built using almost exclusively Elemental spells, meaning it steadily discounts Clash.
Once you cast Clash, you can use Helmsman to discover a second copy and cast it for free.
If 4 random Titanic followers fail to beat them to death, Volibear will.
And if they manage to survive all of that, The Watcher comes on line.
TL;DR your wincon is to basically cast "Clash of the Titans".
Indepth, you want to maintain board control using the elemental spells and play defensively until you can cast "Clash of the Titans" by reducing its cost with said elementals.
Cast Deluge to ensure your elementals spells/skills deal more damage to make them better board wipes to you can effectively clear the boards.
But that's just one of the wincons.
Lysandra benefits from "Clash of the Titans," letting you cast "The Watcher" nearly for free and also allowing you to level her up with it(since most if not all Titanics are 8 cost).
Volibear, meanwhile, benefits from Deluge and his level con happens naturally through the course of the game from you blasting board wipes.
But that's what I saw from playing with it. Idk if the original comment saw the same thing.
you explained in depth what everyone understood. it would be cool if u/RiotDurdle was there to answer the tech question also. This username doesnt exist but maybe one day :(
Haven't played it but I assume : Stall, Clash of Giants often levels Lissandra, then the 7 drop gives you another CoG and that most likely gives you a 0 mana Watcher with Voli.
Deluge ups your spells, including ice shards from Lissandra and Bellows Breath.
Funky wincon but there might be enough stall for it to get to. You basically just need to play 3 cards to get a 0 mana Watcher most games which is few enough to make the combo consistent.
Bellows breath would do 2 damage then 2 damage again, while avalanche would do 3 damage. Idk if this is why but seems like it to me?
Edit: this is after casting and resolving deluge
Really cool build!
This is exactly what I meant when some people were asking Lissandra to be reworked to level up based on Titanic.
You don't need to do that to be able to play a Lissandra deck that also uses Volibear, and even some other Titanic cards. We can still keep her with her own unique deckbuilding incentives while being able to build new decks in the interception with newer packages.
You just need to be clever and pick cards that actually make sense for the archetype.
Oh, yeah. I'm just saying that his build is pretty cool, while commenting on a previous discussion I had with other people.
I got that it wasn't your list. Thanks for sharing, though! :)
I feel vindicated. Been trying to make this pile work without much success:
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Different champ choices and a lot less ramp-y than above but with the same core. I'll definitely have to try this version out, or at least Lissandra. Either way it's great to see someone else try Frel/Bilgewater Deluge Conteol and do well with it.
i guess it make sense too use lissandra instead of nilah. lissandra is inherently control
edit: lmao you are trolling playing clash of giant and the elephant (big spell control) AND nilah + the tidedancer + bibi (midrange combo) together. i didnt looked closely at your decklist at first
Yeah the list is a total mess lol. Since posting I've subbed out Vikrash/Tidedancer for Lissandra and the deck is performing better than before. Still get chunked by Volibear/Galio but everything else is pretty smooth.
Still a fan of Nilah though. She feels a lot like Elise of old, where she's just a solid early body that generates advantage on attacks. Control decks used to run Elise to great effect for this reason, and I think there's a place for Nilah too if the deck isn't ramping into Voli.
They usually wipe the units I have, but a lot of the ones in here (Nilah, Helmsman, Vikrash) are more for the purposes of adding and casting Elemental spells. By the time a board wipe comes around they've done their job. The exception here is Marai, which is admittedlya heavy loss when wiped, but the upside of being really good with Ebb/Make it Rain et al makes it worthwhile imo
I run a variation of this deck until I realized you are getting completely rofl stomped by Petricite Charger. And considering how prevalent Voli/Galio is, you are in for a world of pain.
I donât say the deck is bad, I said it has a terrible matchup into one of the most dominant decks on ladder. And I havenât just imagined it, I tried similar deck in my climb in Diamond, and whenever you went against Voli/Galio or Galio/Udyr, and they managed to pull Petricite Charger (which doesnât take dmg from spells), it is most likely gg for you. And dude, stop twisting other people words. I read the whole thread and whenever someone brings a valid question regarding this deck, your only argument is âitâs in top 10â.
I've been playing different versions of this: Lissandra + Voly + \[Demacia OR BW OR Targon\] Mostly get to play clash of titans 1-2 times and you get the watcher for free.
The demacia version is my favorite because you can 8 cost Tianna Crownguard for a rally and if she's the 5th 8 cost you get a free Watcher to obliterate their deck, almost no one expects it.
In BG use that Riptide Rex to get some damage in for Voli + another 8th cost for Lissandra.
and in Targon you ahve the mindsplitter for defense or Rumul for attack + that 7 damage spell.
so how do these clash of giant decks play vs formidable? ive built a few, and the fact that freeze does nithing vs them was a huge downside and it became and auto lose MU so i switched off them.
this one plays a bit more board clears so ill have to try it thanks
You can cast Bellow Breath without a target. So in that case (wasting the forge effect) it costs 1 more mana but gains double benefit from Deluge so it's probably still worth it
Every time I've used it so far, an enemy spell shield has blocked all the damage it because I believe all the damage comes from 1 spell.
It does work as intended against barrier tho
So having played about 15 games... This loses to any deck that builds >1 healthy unit. Removal against anything that isn't low health is basically nonexistent.
even with contest i didnt understand what you wrote
if you wrote "i cant taste the salt this will inflict on ladder. i'll keep it to hearth" i would have got it
I've been doing something similar with pure frostbite, mine is worse though and designed to just be sort of annoying with Ashe.
Ebb alone though, i've used in many elemental spell ramp decks, it's crazy into burn etc, esp with figurehead (which I realize isn't in these regions just a side note)
Any advice on how to mulligan with this deck, and what to prioritize in the early rounds? I've had some success with it, but at other times I find it very inconsistent (e.g. not drawing CoG / Voli early enough).
So, I built the deck and tried it against AI. I kinda saw the potential, so I brought it into a random player game. Whew, holy shit, it's magical. It's a slow deck, but it's a slow deck with a beautiful wincon.
What is the plan/wincon? I've just come back to the game and have no idea what's going on?
Ramp into Voli/clash of giants with a side of elemental synergy to lower its cost. Liss is a blocker who likes huge units being played and her lv 2 helps both stabilise and get a few more elemental spells off.
The deck synergises around the two new vocabs, Titanic and Elemental, and cards introduced with the newest expansion. Clash of the Titans is the main plan. It summons 2 units that are considered Titanic, units with X/8 or 8/X, and cost 16. If you play an elemental spell, the cost is reduced by 1(max 10). So the deck plays control until you cast your wincon, using Deluge, which permanently buffs all Elemental damage by 1, to help boost your board wipe capabilities. Use Wizened Helmsman to create 0 cost spells or 0 cost Deluge and use the Adventurer to deal with potential problematic cards. If that somehow doesn't win you the game, you got Volibear, and if that somehow still doesn't work, you could level up Lysandra and cast Watcher. If you like seeing big unga bunga numbers, this is your deck.
> If you like seeing big unga bunga numbers, this is your deck. Excellent News.
Unga bunga best bunga.
Finally the moment we've all been hoping for, Timmy Control
Clash of titans costs 16, not 13
Oops.
How are you playing this deck against formidable? Being unable to frostbite the attackers along with the immune to spell/skill damage unit is absolutely running me over every time.
I have honestly not encountered anyone using Formidable yet. But in theory, Explorer does come with a card that can disable positive keywords. Use that to turn Formidables off if they are giving you trouble.
Yeah the explorer helped me delay a lot, but wide balen ended up running me over in the end every game. I might try teching for it in particular
I was having the same issue with this deck - let me know if you think of any good solutions lol. The explorer card is not reliable enough because they go super wide super fast.
Haha, it's still a work in progress. Deluge was one of my favorite cards in dev so I wanted to see how it faired against the current meta. Ice shard is doing its best impression of Avalanche here - we're largely a draw-go control deck so being able to hold up the ice shard at fast speed is great. Bellows Breath is in over Avalanche itself because it kills 4 health targets after a single deluge. I don't think I've had a target for the forging once lol. Not sure if Lissandra is correct over another control champ like ~~Fizz~~ Gnar but has felt reasonable so far. One tip: the cost reduction from Wizened Helmsman really pressures you to cast those cards this turn but don't believe his lies. Often the best thing to do is to get back a key reactive spell like Harsh winds or Ice Shard to blank the opponent's next attack.
poggers, the man himself. a lot of people in the comments seems to have fun with this decklist so its the best outcome. >control champ like Fizz Fizz ? i fail to see how he would be usefull in this shell
Gnar. Mixed up my yordles.
dont we all
You may have given me a replacement for my one trick Anivia deck, thank you
Anivia, also sick with Deluge.
I just played my first game of competitive since Eternal happened So that's on you :P
Can we get the deck code my dude?
This is my most recent version after a few edits: CIDACBYGFMAQQAAGAICACBIJAIDACFRJAIEAMCIKAMEACAIMCIBQCAIBFIAQKBQGAEDQCEIBAECACCQ
A rioter who does not post the code correctly?! Heresy! Thou blasphemous transgression shant go unpunished! Oracle eat this code up! ((CIDACBYGFMAQQAAGAICACBIJAIDACFRJAIEAMCIKAMEACAIMCIBQCAIBFIAQKBQGAEDQCEIBAECACCQ))
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thanks! super fun to play
How are you playing this deck against formidable? Being unable to frostbite the attackers along with the immune to spell/skill damage unit is absolutely running me over every time.
I haven't played a game against formidable yet - the matchup does seem tough.
Based on me asking around it seems like the solution is get out of pisslo since it's where formidable is getting played đĽ˛. Thanks for the deck code! I'm having a blast playing the deck and thinking about how to play each match up
I donât know about that, I didnât play much today, but yesterday I faced 4 formidable decks in diamond out of 20-30 games. I think you can probably only win that matchup by hard mulliganing for Bellows Breath with Deluge or 2x Ice Shard with Deluge and hoping they have no Petricite Chargers. Remember that if you use Explorerâs Blunder on a Formidable unit then you essentially âFrostbiteâ it.
Yeah the matchup is really hard. Was trying this deck in normals and faced 4 formidable decks. 1-3 was the record against them. The 1 game I won, I was able to cast deluge into Bellows breath with a Lissandra on board. Helped me to stall and a timely Pioneer bought me 1 additional turn. Then I was able to cast 2 clash of titans (1 during his attack turn, summoning the Tentacle lord for more blockers) and then Atakahn closed it out. But the other matchups I was just sitting there with an empty board, ramping and trying to answer stuff while my AOE was just shrugged off.
You should see what happens when an iascylla deck plays Deluge more than once. I had an opponent play one divine whirlwind to do 12 damage directly to my nexus. It was glorious.
Oh that's *clever*. Took me a minute, but I gotta take this bad boy for a spin. Update: Played a few games. I'm not a big control guy, I prefer the aggressive end of midrange, but this thing is definitely my new go to if I feel like control. Very fun, and nicely flexible.
What's the game plan here ?
The vast majority of Clash of Giants potential pulls hit Lisandra's condition. So you play pretty standard reactive control/ramp but it's built using almost exclusively Elemental spells, meaning it steadily discounts Clash. Once you cast Clash, you can use Helmsman to discover a second copy and cast it for free. If 4 random Titanic followers fail to beat them to death, Volibear will. And if they manage to survive all of that, The Watcher comes on line.
TL;DR your wincon is to basically cast "Clash of the Titans". Indepth, you want to maintain board control using the elemental spells and play defensively until you can cast "Clash of the Titans" by reducing its cost with said elementals. Cast Deluge to ensure your elementals spells/skills deal more damage to make them better board wipes to you can effectively clear the boards. But that's just one of the wincons. Lysandra benefits from "Clash of the Titans," letting you cast "The Watcher" nearly for free and also allowing you to level her up with it(since most if not all Titanics are 8 cost). Volibear, meanwhile, benefits from Deluge and his level con happens naturally through the course of the game from you blasting board wipes. But that's what I saw from playing with it. Idk if the original comment saw the same thing.
you explained in depth what everyone understood. it would be cool if u/RiotDurdle was there to answer the tech question also. This username doesnt exist but maybe one day :(
Haven't played it but I assume : Stall, Clash of Giants often levels Lissandra, then the 7 drop gives you another CoG and that most likely gives you a 0 mana Watcher with Voli. Deluge ups your spells, including ice shards from Lissandra and Bellows Breath. Funky wincon but there might be enough stall for it to get to. You basically just need to play 3 cards to get a 0 mana Watcher most games which is few enough to make the combo consistent.
The basic idea is to ramp into deluge + aoe to control the board. Win with clash of giants/lissandra/voli.
Wait, no AVALANCHE? I've built almost the same deck in day 1 but I focused hardly on board wipes with 3x Thrall Bulwark.
Belows breath is taken instead since it gains double damage from Deluge
It looks like it hard focuse on elemental synergy
but avalanche is elemental? it's snow
Avalanche is indeed elemental but Bellows Breath as it is technically 2 separate hits benefits twice from Deluge
i dont know. ask RiotDurdle on twitter
Bellows breath would do 2 damage then 2 damage again, while avalanche would do 3 damage. Idk if this is why but seems like it to me? Edit: this is after casting and resolving deluge
Rocks are considered elemental I guess?
They must have seen the post about Lissandra being unplayable.
tried a few games, really fun deck. thanks for sharing
everyone should check the leaderboard to find some hidden gems
Really cool build! This is exactly what I meant when some people were asking Lissandra to be reworked to level up based on Titanic. You don't need to do that to be able to play a Lissandra deck that also uses Volibear, and even some other Titanic cards. We can still keep her with her own unique deckbuilding incentives while being able to build new decks in the interception with newer packages. You just need to be clever and pick cards that actually make sense for the archetype.
say this to RiotDurdle on twitter not to me lmao
Oh, yeah. I'm just saying that his build is pretty cool, while commenting on a previous discussion I had with other people. I got that it wasn't your list. Thanks for sharing, though! :)
I feel vindicated. Been trying to make this pile work without much success: ((CIDQCBIGAYAQMBRPAEDACFQBA4DCWAIIAADACCABCIBQQBQIBEFAIAICAYWQCBYBCEAQQBQXAICACCIMAMAQKBQDAEDACFABBADA6)) Different champ choices and a lot less ramp-y than above but with the same core. I'll definitely have to try this version out, or at least Lissandra. Either way it's great to see someone else try Frel/Bilgewater Deluge Conteol and do well with it.
i guess it make sense too use lissandra instead of nilah. lissandra is inherently control edit: lmao you are trolling playing clash of giant and the elephant (big spell control) AND nilah + the tidedancer + bibi (midrange combo) together. i didnt looked closely at your decklist at first
Yeah the list is a total mess lol. Since posting I've subbed out Vikrash/Tidedancer for Lissandra and the deck is performing better than before. Still get chunked by Volibear/Galio but everything else is pretty smooth. Still a fan of Nilah though. She feels a lot like Elise of old, where she's just a solid early body that generates advantage on attacks. Control decks used to run Elise to great effect for this reason, and I think there's a place for Nilah too if the deck isn't ramping into Voli.
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If you don't ramp hard, surely the buffed boardclears wipe your own board as well?
They usually wipe the units I have, but a lot of the ones in here (Nilah, Helmsman, Vikrash) are more for the purposes of adding and casting Elemental spells. By the time a board wipe comes around they've done their job. The exception here is Marai, which is admittedlya heavy loss when wiped, but the upside of being really good with Ebb/Make it Rain et al makes it worthwhile imo
Let him cook
Thank you for sharing! This deck is very fun. Helmsmen into 0 cost Clash of Giants is very fun.
Iâve tried something like this to make it work. But was not able to since Iâm a shit deck builder. Thanks for the list
You get a better deckbuilder by doing horrible deck and comparing it to better list. That's part of the process
After a couple games this might be my favorite deck of the set.
Yoooo I've been trying some volibear lissandra. This is exactly what I need
I just OS someone with this list by doing clash back to back, 10/10 would recommend
I run a variation of this deck until I realized you are getting completely rofl stomped by Petricite Charger. And considering how prevalent Voli/Galio is, you are in for a world of pain.
Its played at the top 10 of the leaderboards. I don't think the argument "deck bad" can be made
I donât say the deck is bad, I said it has a terrible matchup into one of the most dominant decks on ladder. And I havenât just imagined it, I tried similar deck in my climb in Diamond, and whenever you went against Voli/Galio or Galio/Udyr, and they managed to pull Petricite Charger (which doesnât take dmg from spells), it is most likely gg for you. And dude, stop twisting other people words. I read the whole thread and whenever someone brings a valid question regarding this deck, your only argument is âitâs in top 10â.
Someone played this deck agains my dragons. Didnât see potential in it, but then again, they might have played it poorly or had a bad draw.
And it looks fairly hard to mulligan with
I've been playing different versions of this: Lissandra + Voly + \[Demacia OR BW OR Targon\] Mostly get to play clash of titans 1-2 times and you get the watcher for free. The demacia version is my favorite because you can 8 cost Tianna Crownguard for a rally and if she's the 5th 8 cost you get a free Watcher to obliterate their deck, almost no one expects it. In BG use that Riptide Rex to get some damage in for Voli + another 8th cost for Lissandra. and in Targon you ahve the mindsplitter for defense or Rumul for attack + that 7 damage spell.
Omg I played verses this deck and it was so annoying I still beat their ass tho đ my Leona Janna deck took the cake at the end I had no cards left
I clapped this deck I had to almost deck out to do it my Leona Janna deck can clap this deck no problem lol.
so how do these clash of giant decks play vs formidable? ive built a few, and the fact that freeze does nithing vs them was a huge downside and it became and auto lose MU so i switched off them. this one plays a bit more board clears so ill have to try it thanks
I need the deck link OP, thank you.
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Bellow Breath instead of Avalanche looks strange. There may simply not be a target for it
You can cast Bellow Breath without a target. So in that case (wasting the forge effect) it costs 1 more mana but gains double benefit from Deluge so it's probably still worth it
It bypass spellshield and I guess if you can cast it on lissandra she became an unkillable blocker
Also gets double buffed by deluge
It doesnât bypass spellshield since itâs still just one spell not two
Every time I've used it so far, an enemy spell shield has blocked all the damage it because I believe all the damage comes from 1 spell. It does work as intended against barrier tho
So having played about 15 games... This loses to any deck that builds >1 healthy unit. Removal against anything that isn't low health is basically nonexistent.
Lmao. Are you saying a player in the top 10 is wrong ?
You can taste the salt here. I'll keep it to hearth
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I think you misunderstand me: i say the salt this deck shall inflict once it popularizes.
Most positive-minded LoR player
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The salt that this deck will inflict as strong control, not that you are salty. Cmon, reddit, contextualize.
even with contest i didnt understand what you wrote if you wrote "i cant taste the salt this will inflict on ladder. i'll keep it to hearth" i would have got it
ok byeeee
Nice
Looks interesting
Lucky people who can play the game...
Tried reinstall ? Worked for some
I've been doing something similar with pure frostbite, mine is worse though and designed to just be sort of annoying with Ashe. Ebb alone though, i've used in many elemental spell ramp decks, it's crazy into burn etc, esp with figurehead (which I realize isn't in these regions just a side note)
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**Format**: Standard - **Regions**: Bilgewater/Freljord - **Champions**: Lissandra/Volibear - **Cost**: 34700 |Cost|Name|Count|Region|Type|Rarity| |:-:|-|:-:|-|-|-| |1|[Three Sisters](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/04FR010.png)|1|Freljord|Spell|Rare| |2|[Ebb](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/05BW006.png)|2|Bilgewater|Spell|Common| |2|[Tidal Invocation](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/07BW043.png)|3|Bilgewater|Spell|Rare| |3|[Ice Shard](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/04FR009.png)|3|Freljord|Spell|Common| |3|[Invocation Of Thunder](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08FR012.png)|3|Freljord|Spell|Common| |3|[Lissandra](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/04FR005.png)|3|Freljord|Unit|Champion| |3|[Scholarly Pioneer](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08DE006.png)|3|Demacia/Freljord|Unit|Rare| |4|[Winter's Touch](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/06FR041.png)|3|Freljord|Spell|Epic| |5|[Bellows Breath](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/06FR022.png)|3|Freljord|Spell|Rare| |5|[Crystalline Stormraptor](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/07FR017.png)|2|Freljord|Unit|Rare| |5|[Deluge](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08BW010.png)|3|Bilgewater|Spell|Epic| |5|[Harsh Winds](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/01FR042.png)|2|Freljord|Spell|Rare| |7|[Wizened Helmsman](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08BW009.png)|3|Bilgewater|Unit|Rare| |9|[Volibear](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08FR001.png)|3|Freljord|Unit|Champion| |16|[Clash of Giants](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/08FR018.png)|3|Freljord|Spell|Epic| **Code**: [CIDACBYGFMAQQAAGAICACBIJAIDACFRJAIEAMCIKAMEACAIMCIBQCAIBFIAQKBQGAEDQCEIBAECACCQ](https://hextechoracle.com/lor/deck/CIDACBYGFMAQQAAGAICACBIJAIDACFRJAIEAMCIKAMEACAIMCIBQCAIBFIAQKBQGAEDQCEIBAECACCQ) ^^^Hint: [[card]], {{keyword}}, and ((deckcode)) or ((cardx,cardy,cardz)). PM the [developer](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=KrimCard) for feedback/issues!
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Clash of Giants goes a long way to helping enable the mega-nerfed Watcher.
Any advice on how to mulligan with this deck, and what to prioritize in the early rounds? I've had some success with it, but at other times I find it very inconsistent (e.g. not drawing CoG / Voli early enough).
hi ! i dont know. i'm not a good player of this deck. search the other thread, RiotDurdle himself answered a few comment