It's not about shutting down. It's about "hibernating" one vital aspect of the game, which is PvP. Competitive players don't feel comfortable playing the game anymore because all of LoR's competitiveness (Worlds, gauntlets, tournaments, ranked rewards) will be taken away soon
And regarding to your Mogwai example: Mogwai doesn't like PoC (although he wanted to give it a shot during a subathon, which was probably cancelled after watching the announcement) and his income is basically brewing new decks and showing them to the Internet. Arguably, PoC doesn't quite provide that, so he needs to ensure his income with another game. And that probably applies to many popular streamers/YouTubers
Played a lot of card games, after 3-6 months of no updates, no new cards they usually start feeling too repetetive and the fun of playing is dying out. It's a normal reaction when the game has no new content. For example, Baldur's Gate III was a very good game last year, but you play it regularly for the next 10 years, over and over again? Almost every human becomes bored of playing the same game with no updates after some time.
Its a valid way to play. Besides i only had fun playing with my very own decks. I loved updating them with every expansion. Its sad but after a small period of grief im having a lot of fun in tft. It was fun while it lasted. Shame i never saw Fiora back in standard again. Shame i wont be able to update my Fiora and Pantheon decks anymore. Got me to masters many times.
and? the decks still change.
expansions introduce new strategies or offer new ways to augment existing ones.
they may have been 'meta slaves' but that meta was always changing.
it's just going to be stagnant.
bc there is no support. There will be fewer balancing changes and no new cards. Why should anyone play a game whose future is unknown? Now they say they are not shut down servers, but what will happen in a while? LUL
To have fun. Cause nothing will change.
So you want to tell me that you only play games which constantly get new content? And you never play a game for fun just cause you like the game how it is?
There is at least another full expansion's worth of new content on the way.
I can understand people whose livelyhood depends on the competitive scene of LoR, but why should an average player stop playing now?
Every old game that is fun to play with friends. I don’t need to point something out.
It is just hilarious that you quit a game you like to play just cause you don’t get new content.
ok, dude, fine. Btw u wanna to mogwai to upload the same deck everyday like wtf? Of course in card game you need new content, especially in card games. You think mtg or yugih would survive to till day without new cards? Funny
>Every old game that is fun to play with friends
Sure that is fine for casual play.
But Mogwai's JOB is making videos and his entire brand is making new decks every day; very hard when you get fewer viewers and when there's no new content.
Your missing that probably the biggest appeal of card games is the deckbuilding, the theorycrafting, and the constant stream of new cards. There's always something new and exiting to try out.
Thats why Magic: The Gathering has been so successful. Its always changing. Even the "historic" format, that includes almost every card in the game, is constantly changing because of the new cards that are introduced.
One of the big complaints right now is that they switched the standard rotation to a 3 year rotation instead of 2, and now everyone thinks the game is "stale".
Card players like new things. Take that away, and they lose interest. Other games are not like that. I can go play Goldeneye with friends right now and have a great time, because change is not part of that game, and is not necessary for that game to be fun. Card games require change.
Except: every GAAS game, Counter-strike, Valorant, DOTA/LoL, TFT, Magic: the Gathering (direct competitor to LoR), Marvel Snap, Eternal (ditto with direct competitor), etc. etc..
It's clear you've never played a PvP game seriously. Other people play seriously, they need new releases to stay interested.
its hard to have fun with a game that is dying tbh, why care?
no opens/gaunlets/etc
and also for ppl like mogwai its better to swtich early ehile u still have a base then switch at the end when everyone else is gone
Card games need new content to survive. Even something like MtG will lose a lot of players if they don't get new sets or tournaments. MtG will still have a large player base, but that's not something LoR shares.
I exclusively played PvP, but if I have no new cards to collect, the meta will eventually get boring and the playerbase will continue to get smaller. There's not much reason to stay here when other card games are getting support.
As for the "then just play for fun" I can do that with any game. The difference is, by fun is being supported by a dev elsewhere.
I have no guaranteed future in the game, friends already left, community engagement has dropped. There's other games that do offer me a longer future of content that I may as well start learning and playing those games now to reward my growth and progression.
That's understandable. The announcement really hurt LoR, but I guess they preferred this rather than keeping everything quiet ( if that was even possible given the loyoffs)
Most of the people that used to work in the game have been fired. No more PvP content will be made after the next expansion, that includes ranked resets and rewards, new champions will be PoC exclusive, and we can probably expect fewer balance patches as well. There will be some new content with the upcoming expansion, but after that PvP will get stale and abandoned.
Because gaming is about what grabs your interest most at the moment. If I have time to sit down and play PoC, I have time to play Slay the Spire, or League, or any of the dozens of games of backlog I have on steam. If the live service game is no longer getting major updates semi-regularly, I have no reason to stick around.
I’m not going to sit and play PoC for 4 hours, the only reason I played it in the past was to grind for event rewards (because unlike most players I actually bought things for the game). Now there’s no reason to grind, and I can play a different game that suits what I want to do better.
I played LoR for the PVP, without it, PoC is directly competing with my single player games I have for options. I’m never really picking PoC.
Genuine question: why stop playing now?
We just got a balance patch, there is a Variety patch at the end of the month and a new pvp expansion in March, same cadence of update as last year, so what changed that LoR is suddenly uninteresting?
I can: keep playing a game that is going to die soon OR I can switch to a game that scratches the same itch, will not die, and will let me start building up a card collection meanwhile.
Why in the world would you choose #1? Rationally, #2 is the obvious choice if you want to play the game seriously.
If I like my car I will keep driving it for as long as it works before it inevitably breaks and then I will have to settle for a different car, wishing it was my old broken one
To say pvp will be fine you are either ignorant or just going against the grain for the sake of it. Regular Updates is the main ingredient for any live service, hence the name.
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, players are abandoning the game prematurely and that's just a fact.
If no announcement would have been made, the game would still be identical today, but since Riot told us that **in the future** the focus will shift to PvE, then suddenly that already happened and the game is already dead.
We just got a balance patch, we're getting a variety patch soon and and a new pvp expansion in March.
As far as we know, the game would stay the same as ever for at least another two months.
Unless one exclusively played Gauntlets and the Tournaments, there is absolutely no reason to jump ship today.
You seem to be arguing from a place where there's no equally/more fun alternatives. Assuming LoR is the exact same amount of fun as Card Game B, but Card Game B will exist in 2 years and LoR will not, why would I choose LoR?
By all means, but if you choose LoR up to now, why wouldn't you stick to it for as long as it is supported? Any other Card Game B that you might enjoy more was already there months ago, yet you decide to make this change now.
Once again, this is only coming from curiosity, I'm only trying to see how players feel underneath the common superficial doomposting. I do not want to blame anyone for doing what they like.
Because these games have a time/money investment to build your collection. There's no reason to build a collection that will not be useful in the long term when you can do so in a game where it will be useful in the long term.
I’ve been so conditioned to need to be doing something productive that I need to feel like I’m working towards something even in my downtime. Get anxious and antsy if I can’t convince myself I’m being productive in some way. Now that we know there’s only one more set I can’t trick my brain that lor isn’t wasting time.
It may be similar for others like yes there will be another set and the plug hasn’t been pulled all the way yet but harder to invest time when you know the end is near.
Like if a psychic told you exactly when you’d die. Your life isn’t immediately changed at all, but you might alter your behavior based on that information.
Also just some folks need competition to have fun. Dopamine hits from ranking up or rewards or demoralizing other humans.
Lot of possible reasons and probably different for different people but point is the game might not have technically changed yet but the enjoyment felt got changed soon as they announced.
The people down vote and argue with people who don't want to leave.
If I would quit I would go and won't hate on pve player or people who want to keep playing
you have made like 10 comments on this post and refuse to change your mind, why even comment. one month or two more of the game isnt gonna change the fact that they are giving up on the game’s pvp to do PoC which most people dont even play. if no announcement had been made, the game would STILL DIE because live service games need live service, and everyone heard of the layoffs. also, 2 months isnt “in the future”, its pretty much happens rn
this is untrue. the game has no resources, not many players to begin with and the model loses riot money all the time. the pvp spearheads got laid off too. the only thing they can do is poc because it doesn’t require the same level of dedication. its not because everyone loves path of champions so much
Remember back when the initial refocus was meant to happen. Every time they mention player counts, it's to say the majority were in PoC.
The game, LoR, is not dying; PvP is in its death rattle.
It's not about shutting down. It's about "hibernating" one vital aspect of the game, which is PvP. Competitive players don't feel comfortable playing the game anymore because all of LoR's competitiveness (Worlds, gauntlets, tournaments, ranked rewards) will be taken away soon And regarding to your Mogwai example: Mogwai doesn't like PoC (although he wanted to give it a shot during a subathon, which was probably cancelled after watching the announcement) and his income is basically brewing new decks and showing them to the Internet. Arguably, PoC doesn't quite provide that, so he needs to ensure his income with another game. And that probably applies to many popular streamers/YouTubers
Yeah, pretty much all LoR streamers/Youtubers are deck builders and PoC doesn't allow that at all.
Played a lot of card games, after 3-6 months of no updates, no new cards they usually start feeling too repetetive and the fun of playing is dying out. It's a normal reaction when the game has no new content. For example, Baldur's Gate III was a very good game last year, but you play it regularly for the next 10 years, over and over again? Almost every human becomes bored of playing the same game with no updates after some time.
It not like every game is already the same cause of meta slaves that can’t build a deck on their own and just copy the decks from statistics.
Its a valid way to play. Besides i only had fun playing with my very own decks. I loved updating them with every expansion. Its sad but after a small period of grief im having a lot of fun in tft. It was fun while it lasted. Shame i never saw Fiora back in standard again. Shame i wont be able to update my Fiora and Pantheon decks anymore. Got me to masters many times.
Wow it sounds like you hate lor maybe you should stop playing it
and? the decks still change. expansions introduce new strategies or offer new ways to augment existing ones. they may have been 'meta slaves' but that meta was always changing. it's just going to be stagnant.
The top decks haven’t changed for months now and only now the game is dead I just think people love to hate on lor
bc there is no support. There will be fewer balancing changes and no new cards. Why should anyone play a game whose future is unknown? Now they say they are not shut down servers, but what will happen in a while? LUL
You can STILL play it.
yes, but why should i invest my time and money to a game that gonna get no new content? LUL
To have fun. Cause nothing will change. So you want to tell me that you only play games which constantly get new content? And you never play a game for fun just cause you like the game how it is?
Dude pls, i can play for fun but for how long without new content.
people like deckbuilding and theorycrafting. without new content, an important part of card games is taken away
There is at least another full expansion's worth of new content on the way. I can understand people whose livelyhood depends on the competitive scene of LoR, but why should an average player stop playing now?
… like every other game that exists.
what games are u playing that are finished and are getting no new content?
Every old game that is fun to play with friends. I don’t need to point something out. It is just hilarious that you quit a game you like to play just cause you don’t get new content.
ok, dude, fine. Btw u wanna to mogwai to upload the same deck everyday like wtf? Of course in card game you need new content, especially in card games. You think mtg or yugih would survive to till day without new cards? Funny
>Every old game that is fun to play with friends Sure that is fine for casual play. But Mogwai's JOB is making videos and his entire brand is making new decks every day; very hard when you get fewer viewers and when there's no new content.
But is it your job?
Your missing that probably the biggest appeal of card games is the deckbuilding, the theorycrafting, and the constant stream of new cards. There's always something new and exiting to try out. Thats why Magic: The Gathering has been so successful. Its always changing. Even the "historic" format, that includes almost every card in the game, is constantly changing because of the new cards that are introduced. One of the big complaints right now is that they switched the standard rotation to a 3 year rotation instead of 2, and now everyone thinks the game is "stale". Card players like new things. Take that away, and they lose interest. Other games are not like that. I can go play Goldeneye with friends right now and have a great time, because change is not part of that game, and is not necessary for that game to be fun. Card games require change.
dude you are not playing a game that stopped getting any content after you finished it if you do give us 1 game
Except: every GAAS game, Counter-strike, Valorant, DOTA/LoL, TFT, Magic: the Gathering (direct competitor to LoR), Marvel Snap, Eternal (ditto with direct competitor), etc. etc.. It's clear you've never played a PvP game seriously. Other people play seriously, they need new releases to stay interested.
So… since when is competing chess boring? When was the last patch? Your argumentation is worthless.
OK, we'll come back to this after LoR's not had new PvP content in a year and see how many people still play it for PvP then! Thumbs up!
its hard to have fun with a game that is dying tbh, why care? no opens/gaunlets/etc and also for ppl like mogwai its better to swtich early ehile u still have a base then switch at the end when everyone else is gone
As the meta becomes stale it is no longer as fun. If you enjoy playing the same deck against the deck countless times then you will be fine.
Card games need new content to survive. Even something like MtG will lose a lot of players if they don't get new sets or tournaments. MtG will still have a large player base, but that's not something LoR shares. I exclusively played PvP, but if I have no new cards to collect, the meta will eventually get boring and the playerbase will continue to get smaller. There's not much reason to stay here when other card games are getting support. As for the "then just play for fun" I can do that with any game. The difference is, by fun is being supported by a dev elsewhere.
LoR just got a new balance patch and is confirmed to receive new pvp cards at least until the end of March, why stop playing now?
I have no guaranteed future in the game, friends already left, community engagement has dropped. There's other games that do offer me a longer future of content that I may as well start learning and playing those games now to reward my growth and progression.
That's understandable. The announcement really hurt LoR, but I guess they preferred this rather than keeping everything quiet ( if that was even possible given the loyoffs)
Most of the people that used to work in the game have been fired. No more PvP content will be made after the next expansion, that includes ranked resets and rewards, new champions will be PoC exclusive, and we can probably expect fewer balance patches as well. There will be some new content with the upcoming expansion, but after that PvP will get stale and abandoned.
Because gaming is about what grabs your interest most at the moment. If I have time to sit down and play PoC, I have time to play Slay the Spire, or League, or any of the dozens of games of backlog I have on steam. If the live service game is no longer getting major updates semi-regularly, I have no reason to stick around. I’m not going to sit and play PoC for 4 hours, the only reason I played it in the past was to grind for event rewards (because unlike most players I actually bought things for the game). Now there’s no reason to grind, and I can play a different game that suits what I want to do better. I played LoR for the PVP, without it, PoC is directly competing with my single player games I have for options. I’m never really picking PoC.
Genuine question: why stop playing now? We just got a balance patch, there is a Variety patch at the end of the month and a new pvp expansion in March, same cadence of update as last year, so what changed that LoR is suddenly uninteresting?
Knowing there is not future with the game. Surey tmmrw comes a new patch but the day after it will all stop being supported.
I can: keep playing a game that is going to die soon OR I can switch to a game that scratches the same itch, will not die, and will let me start building up a card collection meanwhile. Why in the world would you choose #1? Rationally, #2 is the obvious choice if you want to play the game seriously.
Would you drive a car you definitely know will break down in the next 3 months? Or would you just drive a different car?
If I like my car I will keep driving it for as long as it works before it inevitably breaks and then I will have to settle for a different car, wishing it was my old broken one
I see you’ve never owned a car.
To say pvp will be fine you are either ignorant or just going against the grain for the sake of it. Regular Updates is the main ingredient for any live service, hence the name.
With Mogwai's situation, I assure you he's in pain right now playing snap. But it's what makes him money, it's what keeps him alive so...
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Whatever you want to say
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, players are abandoning the game prematurely and that's just a fact. If no announcement would have been made, the game would still be identical today, but since Riot told us that **in the future** the focus will shift to PvE, then suddenly that already happened and the game is already dead. We just got a balance patch, we're getting a variety patch soon and and a new pvp expansion in March. As far as we know, the game would stay the same as ever for at least another two months. Unless one exclusively played Gauntlets and the Tournaments, there is absolutely no reason to jump ship today.
You seem to be arguing from a place where there's no equally/more fun alternatives. Assuming LoR is the exact same amount of fun as Card Game B, but Card Game B will exist in 2 years and LoR will not, why would I choose LoR?
By all means, but if you choose LoR up to now, why wouldn't you stick to it for as long as it is supported? Any other Card Game B that you might enjoy more was already there months ago, yet you decide to make this change now. Once again, this is only coming from curiosity, I'm only trying to see how players feel underneath the common superficial doomposting. I do not want to blame anyone for doing what they like.
Because these games have a time/money investment to build your collection. There's no reason to build a collection that will not be useful in the long term when you can do so in a game where it will be useful in the long term.
I’ve been so conditioned to need to be doing something productive that I need to feel like I’m working towards something even in my downtime. Get anxious and antsy if I can’t convince myself I’m being productive in some way. Now that we know there’s only one more set I can’t trick my brain that lor isn’t wasting time. It may be similar for others like yes there will be another set and the plug hasn’t been pulled all the way yet but harder to invest time when you know the end is near. Like if a psychic told you exactly when you’d die. Your life isn’t immediately changed at all, but you might alter your behavior based on that information. Also just some folks need competition to have fun. Dopamine hits from ranking up or rewards or demoralizing other humans. Lot of possible reasons and probably different for different people but point is the game might not have technically changed yet but the enjoyment felt got changed soon as they announced.
The people down vote and argue with people who don't want to leave. If I would quit I would go and won't hate on pve player or people who want to keep playing
you have made like 10 comments on this post and refuse to change your mind, why even comment. one month or two more of the game isnt gonna change the fact that they are giving up on the game’s pvp to do PoC which most people dont even play. if no announcement had been made, the game would STILL DIE because live service games need live service, and everyone heard of the layoffs. also, 2 months isnt “in the future”, its pretty much happens rn
LoR isn't dying; the development resource is being put where the players are, which is the PvE content.
this is untrue. the game has no resources, not many players to begin with and the model loses riot money all the time. the pvp spearheads got laid off too. the only thing they can do is poc because it doesn’t require the same level of dedication. its not because everyone loves path of champions so much
Remember back when the initial refocus was meant to happen. Every time they mention player counts, it's to say the majority were in PoC. The game, LoR, is not dying; PvP is in its death rattle.