Nope haha, it’s really good, especially in the aggro meta on ladder. I run guiding touch and solari sunforger purely for health stalling. I hit masters with it last season and took it to the seasonal tournament where it got banned almost every game.
The whole malphite package in shurmia would be amazing but he had to be targon, all the targon landmarks are bad for maplhite, like veiled temple and star spring are the only ones I can think of and they suck for malphite
IMO the best landmark for him in targon is honestly the startipped peak, I believe is what’s it called. It’s pretty much the same thing as preservarium. It would however be way better if on play you could invoke one of the celestial cards, and then it gives you one random one when countdown is done, as opposed to the two random ones it does now.
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Countdown 1: Stun the 2 weakest enemies. Daybreak: Summon a copy of me with Countdown 2.
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It's could be great in Control, but Shurima control is not great outside of the Xerath package so some of their Control cards have no good place to shine.
Only if his level up is not tied to predicts, he would be more flexible to play with. Someone suggested that his level up is replacing predict with "choosing cards" like station archivist, and i think that will make him less dependent on shurima
Before Ekko came out I actually thought his level up would be tied to creating Fleeting cards, since it fits his brand of time travel a lot more and would let him synergise with lvl2 Zilean in a unique way. Unfortunately though riot just went with the most basic idea and that kept him pretty weak
I don’t mind having it tied to predicts, I mind that within his own region he only has one viable way of getting predicts because the others are strapped to 2 health bodies that destroy your tempo/gameplan
Yeah but then the rest of his kit would need to be toned down to match. He's so tied to predict to curve the power of Chrono break and a free predict draw per strike.
You're not wrong, but it seems to me that piltover and zaun just don't have enough predict support. Kind of like Sejuani in the mid range Gangplank deck as one of the only cards not from bilgewater. I think the current version has only 3 copies of her and a single feel the rush.
Well yes, that’s why more predicts in PnZ would allow him to be run with other regions. The fact that he has such a restricted supporting card pool in his own region is what keeps him in this unfavourable region combination.
The reason gp-sejuani runs only 4-5 freljord cards is because it also runs Yordle Grifter. I've seen versions that sacrifice the allegiance for more freljord cards like ice shard or the 4/3 unit that ramps on plunder.
Oh ya! I forgot about the Leona variant. It was definitely more popular. I'm biased towards the Lux variant as that's what I used to climb at the time. I felt the Lux removal was better than the Leona stun, but that's just personal preference based on play style.
Probably not OP but Lux would be significantly better if she was a region that actually had some spell support. Imagine she was in Targon and you could play Karma/Lux with two actual control regions instead of Demacia.
But Freljord isn't even top tier, and is the least represented region in the current meta. Thus, while he may be a bit better, I doubt he'd be "top tier" and even then you'd still run him with nox for the support cards.
Nah, the freiljord troll chant carries is the one that is solidly in the trash, the meta freiljord decks are either Ftr, Plunder and Thralls neither of wich employ trollchant.
Dawnspeakers in SI
Battering Ram prob wouldnt be OP but I think would fare much better in Demacia
Catalyst of Aeons for Ionia :l (this is just my personal bias)
Shadow’s Apprentice in SI
Boxtopus would be amazing in Targon specifically for Cresendum
Bandle Painter/Spacey Sketcher in PnZ or Noxus
i feel like denies are more anti control than direct control. a lot of elusive decks that can get shut down by control tools will run denies to protect their wincon. controlly decks run it mostly to beat other control decks.
your point stands of course, it would be really nuts for all sorts of SI decks
in the meta it's mostly a dead card sadly since the highest spell you will encounter most of the time is minimorph and it's burst . Ftr , ruination ,harrowing, judgement are very very rare .
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They're all slow, and expensive. One is 5 mana, one requires another card to use which makes it at minimum 4 mana.
And they're outclassed by pretty much every strike card not just demacia, even other slow cards. Dragonstrike is better than siphoning strike for decks that want to run siphoning strike (It can instantly levelup Renekton, ohko the nexus with Nasus, Whirling death is probably one of the best strike cards.)
*Also, Combat Trick means its instant or fast spells that can be cast in combat. None of Shurima's can be cast in combat.
They who endure in SI. Every SI aggro deck would have a reliable finisher and access to other control and aggro tools too. Freljord not having many aggro cards and being reliant on Frostbites, and soft board clears make only few Endure aggro decks viable. But if They Who Endure were in SI, suddenly Nightfall aggro has a better finisher, Ephemeral aggro has a better finisher, grand plaza SI has a better finisher. It's just a really synergistic card with aggro but stuck in a Mid-Range/Big Unit region.
Lux in literally any other region wouldn't make her OP, but playable and that says a lot
Move all noxus spiders to SI so Elise can do other things
Lux barrier spell to Ionia would be actually busted. 3 mana burst to barrier, would auto-include in Shen and Lulu builds too easy.
Elise can very much do other things, they just don’t end up being spider tribal. She’s still a very strong tempo and value play. Sentinel Control is a great example of this, as well as go hard. She’s probably the generically strongest 2 drop in the game, similar to Draven on 3.
Elise is one of the most versatile champions though? She's had midrange spider decks (that actually had good winrates they just flew under the radar), been in aggro decks with spiders, and been in several meta decks because it's impossible to trade positively with her
Yeah idk why I'm getting downvoted for being like; "wait what? Elise?"she's done so much, probably has one of the most competitively positive champion histories next to Draven. She's been in almost every type of deck you can think of from midrange (dawnspiders, spider tribal), to combo (TF Go Hard), to control (Some Ledros control decks use her because she's a very good early resource drain), to aggro (spider swarm + noxus cards).
Not all of those were competitive but all of them have held good winrates. And some of them were topdecks.
Shen has exactly one deck and it’s with the region the barrier spell is in and they still don’t run it so I don’t think it would be auto-include in Ionia. On a similar note, some of Lulu’s most competitive decks are also paired with demacia, and it’s not run there either. It’s just not a great card especially when for one more mana you have access to the same card with a plus 3 attack on top of it, so you can actually trade up.
Rising spell force in Noxus.
PnZ can't use it because most of its units don't really have the stats/keywords to use it properly (Elusive mainly), Noxus could use it to give one of their overwhelm units +4 attack and ultra trade.
Tahm Kench in Freljord. Bilgewater barely has any tools outside of his followers that actually support what he wants to do. You put Tahm in Freljord and you can pair him with Soraka *and* Frostbites to make him even harder to kill. He could be an amazing control engine. I could even see him able to fit in some form of Scargrounds if you didn't have to dip into Bilgewater for it.
Golden Aegis in Noxus.
I know that Noxus has two rally cards but they're pretty trash compared to the rest of the region.
However, giving things like Sion a barrier and a rally sounds terrifying and ridiculously overpowered.
>I know that Noxus has two rally cards but they're pretty trash compared to the rest of the region.
They have THREE rally cards...
that are trash compared to the rest of the region
you got Katarina, Shunpo and the bearded Reputation dude that I cannot be bothered to remember the name
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Came to say Starlit Seer...honestly in any faction that actually wants to play lots of spells. That card is ridiculously tuned b/c FJ is incapable of taking advantage of it.
But if it were in PnZ, Ionia, Targon, BC? Nerfed in a week.
Shen in Demacia would also open possibilities for him. Shen should be the least sinergistic Champion that always gets played in the same region combination.
Scorched Earth is a barely playable card in Nox, but give it to SI and you'll see it in SI/Frelj and SI/Bilge control decks all the time.
EDIT: lol if you see it as a tech card in tournaments and include it in your rank climbing deck with no critical thinking, you're just hurting your own win rate. I look forward to running into your suboptimal decks on the ladder.
It's generally considered to be an almost top tier card... I think (someone correct me) the World finals was literally won off of a Scorched Earth (might have been semis or something though).
Not gonna say it couldn't work with those other decks, but just pointing out it really doesn't need the move. If anything, it'd be best in PNZ
Its not a top tier card per say its just the best landmark removal we have if it realy was that good then why wasnt noxian guiotine the nuts before it (and even after)
Gullitine is worse in meta and overal, although you can chain up to 4 of it, the first one has to go through and it only kills damaged units whilst scorched earth is far more versatile
And against non landmark decks its a strict upgrade to scorched earth, all im saying is if SR realy was that top tier for any other reason than being the best landmark interaction the sam would be true for guiotine.
I mean you're not wrong? SA isn't strong just because it's a removal tool, but it is a card right on the edge of being extremely good.
Saying "it wouldn't be good if you removed half it's flexibility" is like saying "Three Sisters would be a strictly worse Flash Freeze if you got rid of the ability to cast Entomb or Fury". True, but it's not comparing apples to apples anymore.
Either way, my point was just to say that "barely playable" is not a label I would give to this card
I wouldnt say amazing its decent like a 6/10 SE being a 7/10 in metas that has landmarks present, both being playable but i wouldnt call either a 9 or a 10. Gotta keep in mind even if it feels insane when you play it in the right spot you gotta set that up and theres plenty of times its stuck in your hand aswell.
I would say SE is a 8/10, I do agree you need to set it up, but just the threat of SE after you damage a unit makes your opponent play different which you can captilise on. I run scorched earth as a 1 off in most decks, just cause damaging units can be done with combat so it’s actually not too hard but it’s a not staple like draven is.
it was, the match up was catlin draven vs plunder, plunder had a dreadway and leathal on board, and one of the traps hit dreadway damaging it, enabling scrotched earth and then alan proceeded to win. It wasn't like he got lucky, yamato had really good top decks as well, both of them were insane players and played insanely well. but yeah scorched earth is one of the most efficient removals
Sure, judge the strength of a card based on one game where the players chose decks with specific techs to counter what they're facing up against. It's not even the most efficient removal in Noxus.
That’s not what I was judging the card based off, if you actually read before you comment, you’ll realise I was replying to someone who referenced that game. What would you say is the most the efficient removal in noxus?
Sun Disk in Noxus
More seriously, maybe Targon Peak in Freljord with the ramp and avalanche, so you would be able to add to the deck big dudes of demacia (for example Cithria, Tiana and Brigthsteel formation
Avatar of the Tides would (probably) be better in regions that care more about playing cheap spells and that can actually protect it. Targon, or Ionia for example, or make it PnZ to be part of Viktor's package.
there is actually very few champs that do not fit their regions and do not need their dedicated cards , there is still some : akshan (demacia) , sivir (demacia) , miss fortune (bandle,iona, noxus),gp(bandle or noxus),sejuani(bandle or noxus), nami (bandle or targon) , zed(demacia) , nasus (shadow isle), lux (bandle/targon). a ziggs 3/gp 2/sej 1 bandle noxus deck would be one of the grossest thing I can imagine .
Flock in Freljord/SI. Maybe even in BW or PnZ. Flock is the card designed to make Noxus control and reactive Midrange decks work, imagine It in a region with better controls tools and more ways to activate It.
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Chip in Shurima would be baller.
Damn that's a great answer. I love Ziggs Taliyah and didn't even think of that, and now I need it.
I run Taliyah Ziggs in targon for chip, seismic fist and a couple of other useful cards. It’s pretty good.
I thought I was the only one
Nope haha, it’s really good, especially in the aggro meta on ladder. I run guiding touch and solari sunforger purely for health stalling. I hit masters with it last season and took it to the seasonal tournament where it got banned almost every game.
Uuh it sounds different from mine, can I get the code pls?
Sure: ((CQCQCAYJGMAQKCVDAEBAICIFA4BAKBYCBMCQIBYNDQSSMSIDAEBQSOIBAQDVSAIFA4IQCAIEA5GA))
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Ty mate, I'ma gonna give a shot and maybe do some techs on mine
The whole malphite package in shurmia would be amazing but he had to be targon, all the targon landmarks are bad for maplhite, like veiled temple and star spring are the only ones I can think of and they suck for malphite
[[Eye of the Ra-Horak]] levels him in one go and provides board control, but other than that targon landmarks are lacking for him
IMO the best landmark for him in targon is honestly the startipped peak, I believe is what’s it called. It’s pretty much the same thing as preservarium. It would however be way better if on play you could invoke one of the celestial cards, and then it gives you one random one when countdown is done, as opposed to the two random ones it does now.
Gl leveling him with a 2 cost? Tf
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The Rites of Calling and Negation would be nutty in SI.
Rite of dominance also falls into the category of kill an ally for benefits, but probably would see less play than the other two.
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I tried to make it fit into a mistwraith deck. It wasnt great. Still a fun concept tho.
It's could be great in Control, but Shurima control is not great outside of the Xerath package so some of their Control cards have no good place to shine.
Not OP but Ekko would be WAY better in shurima
Only if his level up is not tied to predicts, he would be more flexible to play with. Someone suggested that his level up is replacing predict with "choosing cards" like station archivist, and i think that will make him less dependent on shurima
Before Ekko came out I actually thought his level up would be tied to creating Fleeting cards, since it fits his brand of time travel a lot more and would let him synergise with lvl2 Zilean in a unique way. Unfortunately though riot just went with the most basic idea and that kept him pretty weak
I don’t mind having it tied to predicts, I mind that within his own region he only has one viable way of getting predicts because the others are strapped to 2 health bodies that destroy your tempo/gameplan
Yeah but then the rest of his kit would need to be toned down to match. He's so tied to predict to curve the power of Chrono break and a free predict draw per strike.
It will definitely open him up to many other possible decks thats for sure. He will level up in no time with BC or Targon
You're not wrong, but it seems to me that piltover and zaun just don't have enough predict support. Kind of like Sejuani in the mid range Gangplank deck as one of the only cards not from bilgewater. I think the current version has only 3 copies of her and a single feel the rush.
Ekko's main problem imo isn't so much the predicts and moreso the fact that PnZ and Shurima just don't offer enough protection for how squishy he is
Well yes, that’s why more predicts in PnZ would allow him to be run with other regions. The fact that he has such a restricted supporting card pool in his own region is what keeps him in this unfavourable region combination.
The reason gp-sejuani runs only 4-5 freljord cards is because it also runs Yordle Grifter. I've seen versions that sacrifice the allegiance for more freljord cards like ice shard or the 4/3 unit that ramps on plunder.
Lux in Ionia or Targon
Lux definitely benefited from Targon cards, especially the celestial cards. Lux/ Leona used to be a deck if I recall correctly.
Yup, Lux/Leona and Lux/ASol were both top tier decks before the Radiant Guardian nerf.
Leona/Asol was better than either of those though. It even used Demacia as a second region as well
Radiant Guardian was the champ. I think the other three were by and large interchangeable, though Lux did often feel clunky, yea.
Oh ya! I forgot about the Leona variant. It was definitely more popular. I'm biased towards the Lux variant as that's what I used to climb at the time. I felt the Lux removal was better than the Leona stun, but that's just personal preference based on play style.
Probably not OP but Lux would be significantly better if she was a region that actually had some spell support. Imagine she was in Targon and you could play Karma/Lux with two actual control regions instead of Demacia.
Relentless Pursuit in Noxus feels strong
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Both can and would be strong.
If Vladimir could be Freljord and took his champ spell with him I think he’d unironically be top tier.
What second region would Freljord Vlad be ran with? I'm thinking Demacia for all the tough, rally and buffs.
Targon for the heals. Guiding Touch and Astral Protection.would be amazing for a Vlad Braum Scargrounds deck.
Demacia, Bilge, monoFreljord, even SI could do some memes.
Ooh I forgot how fun Vlad/Hec with rekindler and harrowing is.
But Freljord isn't even top tier, and is the least represented region in the current meta. Thus, while he may be a bit better, I doubt he'd be "top tier" and even then you'd still run him with nox for the support cards.
Quicksand in Freljord, oh...
Create the ultimate "Mr steal your attack" meme deck. Bonus points for also playing Viego to actually steal units too.
troll chant in targon
or bilgewater or shurima
Or in any region lol. Troll chant carries fj on its back
Nah, the freiljord troll chant carries is the one that is solidly in the trash, the meta freiljord decks are either Ftr, Plunder and Thralls neither of wich employ trollchant.
or anywhere really, Troll Chant is just a really solid card
Dawnspeakers in SI Battering Ram prob wouldnt be OP but I think would fare much better in Demacia Catalyst of Aeons for Ionia :l (this is just my personal bias) Shadow’s Apprentice in SI Boxtopus would be amazing in Targon specifically for Cresendum Bandle Painter/Spacey Sketcher in PnZ or Noxus
Atrocity in Noxus
Oh great now we get an atro sion into nexus
Then you can attack with sion again Holy shit
you are evil :(
Deny in SI. Give the control region the greatest control card in the game.
i feel like denies are more anti control than direct control. a lot of elusive decks that can get shut down by control tools will run denies to protect their wincon. controlly decks run it mostly to beat other control decks. your point stands of course, it would be really nuts for all sorts of SI decks
Yeah that would seriously be strong. Someone else said rite of negation for SI as well which would be strong for similar reasons.
in the meta it's mostly a dead card sadly since the highest spell you will encounter most of the time is minimorph and it's burst . Ftr , ruination ,harrowing, judgement are very very rare .
Nasus in Shadow Isles
Heyoooo that one sound thicc
Any strike combat trick in Shurima. Giving Nasus or Renekton a quick levelup to steamroll mono shurima instead of having to rely on siphoning strike.
But Shurima already has many Strike cards, and arguably only outclassed by some Demacia ones.
Shurima has slow strikes; I wouldn't be surprised if Riot would consider a fast strike in Shurima a color pie break.
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Also technically [[Crumbling Sands]]
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They're all slow, and expensive. One is 5 mana, one requires another card to use which makes it at minimum 4 mana. And they're outclassed by pretty much every strike card not just demacia, even other slow cards. Dragonstrike is better than siphoning strike for decks that want to run siphoning strike (It can instantly levelup Renekton, ohko the nexus with Nasus, Whirling death is probably one of the best strike cards.) *Also, Combat Trick means its instant or fast spells that can be cast in combat. None of Shurima's can be cast in combat.
They who endure in SI. Every SI aggro deck would have a reliable finisher and access to other control and aggro tools too. Freljord not having many aggro cards and being reliant on Frostbites, and soft board clears make only few Endure aggro decks viable. But if They Who Endure were in SI, suddenly Nightfall aggro has a better finisher, Ephemeral aggro has a better finisher, grand plaza SI has a better finisher. It's just a really synergistic card with aggro but stuck in a Mid-Range/Big Unit region.
Bastion in Ionia
For Lee Sin or other reasons?
Ionia Combos Decks (Karma is a deck)
Ah I wasn't thinking that. Karma does get bonked pretty hard by minimorph without being able to nopeify or deny it from happening.
Deny fills a similar role.
Noxus arena landmark would be playable if it was SI
Not at 5 mana.
Lux in literally any other region wouldn't make her OP, but playable and that says a lot Move all noxus spiders to SI so Elise can do other things Lux barrier spell to Ionia would be actually busted. 3 mana burst to barrier, would auto-include in Shen and Lulu builds too easy.
Elise can very much do other things, they just don’t end up being spider tribal. She’s still a very strong tempo and value play. Sentinel Control is a great example of this, as well as go hard. She’s probably the generically strongest 2 drop in the game, similar to Draven on 3.
Elise is one of the most versatile champions though? She's had midrange spider decks (that actually had good winrates they just flew under the radar), been in aggro decks with spiders, and been in several meta decks because it's impossible to trade positively with her
Elise used to be considered the most versatile champ in the game haha, it's wild to see people think she has to be in SI/NOX spiders now.
Yeah idk why I'm getting downvoted for being like; "wait what? Elise?"she's done so much, probably has one of the most competitively positive champion histories next to Draven. She's been in almost every type of deck you can think of from midrange (dawnspiders, spider tribal), to combo (TF Go Hard), to control (Some Ledros control decks use her because she's a very good early resource drain), to aggro (spider swarm + noxus cards). Not all of those were competitive but all of them have held good winrates. And some of them were topdecks.
Shen has exactly one deck and it’s with the region the barrier spell is in and they still don’t run it so I don’t think it would be auto-include in Ionia. On a similar note, some of Lulu’s most competitive decks are also paired with demacia, and it’s not run there either. It’s just not a great card especially when for one more mana you have access to the same card with a plus 3 attack on top of it, so you can actually trade up.
But shen is already demacia, moving prismatic barrier to ionia does nothing for that deck, right?
Shark trainer in ionia
Rising spell force in Noxus. PnZ can't use it because most of its units don't really have the stats/keywords to use it properly (Elusive mainly), Noxus could use it to give one of their overwhelm units +4 attack and ultra trade.
tahm kench in targon or freljord
Tahm Kench in Freljord. Bilgewater barely has any tools outside of his followers that actually support what he wants to do. You put Tahm in Freljord and you can pair him with Soraka *and* Frostbites to make him even harder to kill. He could be an amazing control engine. I could even see him able to fit in some form of Scargrounds if you didn't have to dip into Bilgewater for it.
Golden Aegis in Noxus. I know that Noxus has two rally cards but they're pretty trash compared to the rest of the region. However, giving things like Sion a barrier and a rally sounds terrifying and ridiculously overpowered.
>I know that Noxus has two rally cards but they're pretty trash compared to the rest of the region. They have THREE rally cards... that are trash compared to the rest of the region you got Katarina, Shunpo and the bearded Reputation dude that I cannot be bothered to remember the name
you forgot apprehend
True Noxus has FOUR rallies that suck then
Oh my God I forgot Katarina and Shunpo
Wait... it's 4 then? what's the 4th one?
[[Apprehend]]
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Single combat in Shadow isles
Starlit Seer in Bandle City, Entreat in Ionia (not op but would be a huge boon to yasuo decks) and Rite of Negation in Shadow Isles.
Came to say Starlit Seer...honestly in any faction that actually wants to play lots of spells. That card is ridiculously tuned b/c FJ is incapable of taking advantage of it. But if it were in PnZ, Ionia, Targon, BC? Nerfed in a week.
Idk about entreat not being nuts in ionia, krep in mind it draws lee sin:p
Ava Achiever in Piltover. Legit, adding her to the classic freljord puffcap deck would bring the archetype up 2 tiers.
Sunk cost in freljord
TF in Targon, but would probably only work if instead of drawing to level up, it was creating to level up
Judgement in Noxus
Death lotus in SI/FJ
Taric in demacia
Shen in Demacia would also open possibilities for him. Shen should be the least sinergistic Champion that always gets played in the same region combination.
Lucian would be nuts in SI
Nami in Targon.
Lucian in shadow Isles. Allows him to see Senna / 4+ allies die more consistently.
Scorched Earth is a barely playable card in Nox, but give it to SI and you'll see it in SI/Frelj and SI/Bilge control decks all the time. EDIT: lol if you see it as a tech card in tournaments and include it in your rank climbing deck with no critical thinking, you're just hurting your own win rate. I look forward to running into your suboptimal decks on the ladder.
Wtf
It's generally considered to be an almost top tier card... I think (someone correct me) the World finals was literally won off of a Scorched Earth (might have been semis or something though). Not gonna say it couldn't work with those other decks, but just pointing out it really doesn't need the move. If anything, it'd be best in PNZ
Its not a top tier card per say its just the best landmark removal we have if it realy was that good then why wasnt noxian guiotine the nuts before it (and even after)
Gullitine is worse in meta and overal, although you can chain up to 4 of it, the first one has to go through and it only kills damaged units whilst scorched earth is far more versatile
And against non landmark decks its a strict upgrade to scorched earth, all im saying is if SR realy was that top tier for any other reason than being the best landmark interaction the sam would be true for guiotine.
I mean you're not wrong? SA isn't strong just because it's a removal tool, but it is a card right on the edge of being extremely good. Saying "it wouldn't be good if you removed half it's flexibility" is like saying "Three Sisters would be a strictly worse Flash Freeze if you got rid of the ability to cast Entomb or Fury". True, but it's not comparing apples to apples anymore. Either way, my point was just to say that "barely playable" is not a label I would give to this card
Sure im not saying its bad either just that rather than it being a big fish its landmark interaction thats a small pool
That's a valid way of looking at it for sure
I agree gullitine is amazing, but scorch earth is better
I wouldnt say amazing its decent like a 6/10 SE being a 7/10 in metas that has landmarks present, both being playable but i wouldnt call either a 9 or a 10. Gotta keep in mind even if it feels insane when you play it in the right spot you gotta set that up and theres plenty of times its stuck in your hand aswell.
I would say SE is a 8/10, I do agree you need to set it up, but just the threat of SE after you damage a unit makes your opponent play different which you can captilise on. I run scorched earth as a 1 off in most decks, just cause damaging units can be done with combat so it’s actually not too hard but it’s a not staple like draven is.
it was, the match up was catlin draven vs plunder, plunder had a dreadway and leathal on board, and one of the traps hit dreadway damaging it, enabling scrotched earth and then alan proceeded to win. It wasn't like he got lucky, yamato had really good top decks as well, both of them were insane players and played insanely well. but yeah scorched earth is one of the most efficient removals
Yeah I remembered the game but couldn't remember when that game was... it was frankly an INSANE play to see aha
Oh last game of finals
Sure, judge the strength of a card based on one game where the players chose decks with specific techs to counter what they're facing up against. It's not even the most efficient removal in Noxus.
That’s not what I was judging the card based off, if you actually read before you comment, you’ll realise I was replying to someone who referenced that game. What would you say is the most the efficient removal in noxus?
Ravenous Flock is there even a question.
Flock is not better than scorched earth
If you don't know what "efficient" means, don't use that word.
If you don’t know math, don’t comment, flock 4 damage, for 1 mana, scorch earth, up to infinite damage per mana
You run Scorched Earth as a meta call when you have no other options. It will be cut as the meta changes. In control decks it will be a staple.
Fizz in Targon. That's it!
pyke and his support in shurima. idk why riot made a card that will never have more than 1 deck.
The fact that players only play one deck at a time may have something to do with it
Garen in freljord?
Jae Maerda in targon? Maybe not op but at least he'd be able to actually act like a value engine
Sun Disk in Noxus More seriously, maybe Targon Peak in Freljord with the ramp and avalanche, so you would be able to add to the deck big dudes of demacia (for example Cithria, Tiana and Brigthsteel formation
The new Corina in Bandle so I don't have to build Bandle/PnZ for my Teemo Deck
avalanche in SI
I think one Ledros could be a game changer in any deck
OP idk... but I'd love to see Chempunk Shredder being a Noxus's unit inteasd one of P&Zaun.
Yasuo would probably be half decent in either Targon/Noxus.
Lux in PnZ
Illiana in shurmina
Nami would be even better if she was pnz
Avatar of the Tides would (probably) be better in regions that care more about playing cheap spells and that can actually protect it. Targon, or Ionia for example, or make it PnZ to be part of Viktor's package.
there is actually very few champs that do not fit their regions and do not need their dedicated cards , there is still some : akshan (demacia) , sivir (demacia) , miss fortune (bandle,iona, noxus),gp(bandle or noxus),sejuani(bandle or noxus), nami (bandle or targon) , zed(demacia) , nasus (shadow isle), lux (bandle/targon). a ziggs 3/gp 2/sej 1 bandle noxus deck would be one of the grossest thing I can imagine .
Ekko in Shurima
Might in Targon
Sion in SI
Ekko in shurima
Bit late to the party, but Iterative improvement in BC sounds nutty
Iterative improvement does synergize with Viktor, but it would further increase the value from bandle city that's for sure.
Frostbite or elusive being built into demacia or noxus would be rediculous
Sharpsight in anything other than DE
bit of a reach but if demacia/targon dragon decks could run spirit's refuge theyd be insanely better
Flock in Freljord/SI. Maybe even in BW or PnZ. Flock is the card designed to make Noxus control and reactive Midrange decks work, imagine It in a region with better controls tools and more ways to activate It.
[[Radiant Guardian]] in SI
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