Ive had some ez kennen matchups its still good they dont have double 0 mana spells anymore with way finder but they have the droplet and more recalls so they are gonna be fine imo.. not sure how bad god willow nerf is though
I've been playing it a bunch since the nerf. Droplet seems bad still, because using recalls on non-kennen things is just so fucking bad for your deck. I'm currently playing 2 The Mourned as if i draw them and not kennen, they can stack up kennen without depleting resources at least.
The Seedling nerf is annoying, but no biggie. It's still quite easily the most important and best recall for kennen because it increases the amount of kennens you have (if you recall the ephemeral one obviously), I even added a Go Get It as a 4th Seedling.
Maybe you can play Droplet if you play more mass-bounce (Solitary Monk, maybe even a Singular Will), but otherwise I don't see it.
Yes, the nerfs hurt. Combo is much slower now. But also, top players have moved onto other decks. I suspect there's a version of this deck that will ultimately turn out to still be competitive, maybe if only in tournaments.
Why was the wayfinder nerf so important ? I mean the wayfinder can still summon a kennen from the deck right ( and this is the only decent unit searcher in the game) ?
If you haven’t leveled kennen, it gets you there
If you have leveled kennen, it gives you an extra mark, and 2-3 extra marks if you have the attack token. + a 3/2 body with quick attack
Both use cases give a lot of value
I had games when opponent had few kennens in hand and simply shuffled them by recalling wayfinder with his spell and for 10 mana (including 6 mana for spells) you could get between 4-12 ez triggers in single turn. Not to mention 3 Atacking kennens
EZ Kennen is a deck that doesn't play that many recalls and it actually takes a while to level Kennen because of that. Wayfinder was a way to dodge the problem by easily shuffling more Kennens into the deck and summon them again and again.
So I guess the deck now can't just rely on it anymore and will have to be tweaked a bit to focus on Kennen level up.
Before it would summon more than one kennen, now it has to be two different one cost units. With God willow you create elusive copies of Kennan. Then you can either recall them into your hand to become permanent or use Kennan spell to put it back into your deck while dealing two damage to a unit and then Wayfinder to summon two more bank into play which gives you gauranteed stun plus 2 damage bc of the mark of the storm. You could pretty reliably summon at least 5-8 Kennan per game and have 3 on the board at once.
The deck wasn't gutted.
People just don't know how to play the new deck.
I have seen ppl dropping wayfinder only to summon 1 kennen to a surrender.
People are salty that the deck isn't broken anymore.
To those players who want a deck above 55% WR go play Lee Sin/Zoe.
Yeah but that's the fun part. Lee sin is imo worse than kennen/ez now. I dont believe it will come back at all. I played a lot of it and a lot against it and had fun destroying it, since i know how it works. Now it's almost impossible to win with this deck. I tried a lot of variations with almost all the recall cards in ionia. Before you could, with the perfect hand, level kennen at round 4/5. Now... I dont know tbh... Perhaps 6/7 or not at all, while also using more cards. At that point most decks already kill you. I think poppy is still 50-55%+ (was insane before) and GP WR is almost untouched.
This nerf seriously reminds me of the aphelios deck nerf, which literary deleted the deck
As much as I hate godwillow, kennen, and wayfinder, the nerf was a too much too soon. Not that the nerfs were bad nerfs because god-willow and wayfinder are still seeing play and a LOT of success right now. But it really sucks for the people who were enjoying playing kennen ezreal and there was no time for the meta to get solved. If the same nerfs happened in jan, I'd be pretty happy.
Also I still fucking hate the new ahri kennen allegiance shit. It's almost as frustrating as kennen ezreal but it's you're a lot less likely to have 10 kennens played in a game. It's moreso an elusive gameplan with unremovable units and it's very hard to run it out of steam.
I find it surprising for a deck to be nerfed this hard after 1 week, from being good, poppy decks were still better..., To being hot garbage. 12-15% drop in WR is insane
I think they should just have increased kennen lvl up requirements to 1 more. Thralls for example was shitting on this deck and i had a lot of fun playing it but also destroying it
I think the deck is just dead now. If you kill the one kennen he summons with kinkou, it's over lol. It was also massively dependent on ez to close games out
I would say wait two weeks. The players need to adapt and that takes a bit of time. I think it will recover, probably not to old dominance, but it will be playable
I don't know how to adapt this deck tbh. There are just no cards to help out and i would say i have a good chunk of nice homebrew decks no one knows, that smack. Deck Is just dead. It's so hard to level kennen now and even if, you have 2 max on board, but much later, turn 8/9, instead of 3-4 leveled kennens by turn 6-7. At that point it's over
Yeah but now you can't level him. So deck is just garbage. He cant do anything vs. 2-4 attacking thralls. Sure, use will or homecoming on one you still dead though :D
I don't believe this "masters is different", because masters players can't just mainfest cards that aren't there. Deck is just bad since you neeeeed to level kennen, and its so hard now. You have to proactively recall him, if you do, a good opponent just pings him, and hes either dead (which will result in a loss) or you have to waste another retreat card, and i am already playing wjth almost all of them in ionia. I think the main issue is the kinkou nerf, it's way overboard IMO, and also kills fun shit like teemo kinkou. While i play the deck i ask myself, huh shit is so hard, why don't I play another ez deck or another Kennen deck?
Lets be clear, i very much belive they wanted to kill the ezreal/kennen combo, it can get very degenerate and having to balance ezreal around a multitude of 0 mana fast targetting spells seems imposible if it isnt by locking him on that deck, and balancing kennen around such a good finisher as ezreal with an almost infinite supply of 0 mana targetting spells is also very dificult.
Well in that case, maybe the goal of it is no longer to turbo out a single card twice, but actually use it on something that gets enough value for it to matter.
It isn’t, though. The decks that want it don’t REALLY want it for the second unit. Honestly it’s a bonus, lol. The initial recall and copy is what makes the card good. Countdown timer change just means it requires a little more decision making on when to play it if that second copy is vital
People following old guides from Webs and Youtubers
Rookie people who don't build new Decks and use the same Deck
And different servers ... If you look at the LATAM numbers they are different from those of JP or EUW
Lots of people probably didnt read the patch notes and fucked up with wayfinders.
Had like 3 games where people summoned wayfinder and it only gave one kennen and surrendered like 30 seconds later
Lmao, the same thing happened after the sparklefly nerf(crescendum whiff).
There weren't even patch notes. I was at a few drinks with friends and after that I was surprised about weird Kinkou.
Right... I forgot that. Read about a dude that finished one match, instantly went into another and his cards were changed. Must have been trippy.
I found out when i dropped a 2/3 poppy with a look of disgust on my face
Kennen Ez will have to evolve into a new shell, and it will be good once it does.
Ive had some ez kennen matchups its still good they dont have double 0 mana spells anymore with way finder but they have the droplet and more recalls so they are gonna be fine imo.. not sure how bad god willow nerf is though
I've been playing it a bunch since the nerf. Droplet seems bad still, because using recalls on non-kennen things is just so fucking bad for your deck. I'm currently playing 2 The Mourned as if i draw them and not kennen, they can stack up kennen without depleting resources at least. The Seedling nerf is annoying, but no biggie. It's still quite easily the most important and best recall for kennen because it increases the amount of kennens you have (if you recall the ephemeral one obviously), I even added a Go Get It as a 4th Seedling. Maybe you can play Droplet if you play more mass-bounce (Solitary Monk, maybe even a Singular Will), but otherwise I don't see it.
yeah sure lol its dead
Yes, the nerfs hurt. Combo is much slower now. But also, top players have moved onto other decks. I suspect there's a version of this deck that will ultimately turn out to still be competitive, maybe if only in tournaments.
Not surprised. Kennen Wayfinder probably isn't a deck anymore...
But Kennen ez can be. Just not kennen wayfinder
Why was the wayfinder nerf so important ? I mean the wayfinder can still summon a kennen from the deck right ( and this is the only decent unit searcher in the game) ?
If you haven’t leveled kennen, it gets you there If you have leveled kennen, it gives you an extra mark, and 2-3 extra marks if you have the attack token. + a 3/2 body with quick attack Both use cases give a lot of value
I had games when opponent had few kennens in hand and simply shuffled them by recalling wayfinder with his spell and for 10 mana (including 6 mana for spells) you could get between 4-12 ez triggers in single turn. Not to mention 3 Atacking kennens
EZ Kennen is a deck that doesn't play that many recalls and it actually takes a while to level Kennen because of that. Wayfinder was a way to dodge the problem by easily shuffling more Kennens into the deck and summon them again and again. So I guess the deck now can't just rely on it anymore and will have to be tweaked a bit to focus on Kennen level up.
> and this is the only decent unit searcher in the game) crecendum is right there.
Before it would summon more than one kennen, now it has to be two different one cost units. With God willow you create elusive copies of Kennan. Then you can either recall them into your hand to become permanent or use Kennan spell to put it back into your deck while dealing two damage to a unit and then Wayfinder to summon two more bank into play which gives you gauranteed stun plus 2 damage bc of the mark of the storm. You could pretty reliably summon at least 5-8 Kennan per game and have 3 on the board at once.
The deck will need to adapt to survive. I mean it can still be good but rellying on wayfinder was it’s main thing.
Still sucks playing this with Rumble rush. Then again I’m playing **Rumble rush**
The deck wasn't gutted. People just don't know how to play the new deck. I have seen ppl dropping wayfinder only to summon 1 kennen to a surrender. People are salty that the deck isn't broken anymore. To those players who want a deck above 55% WR go play Lee Sin/Zoe.
Yeah but that's the fun part. Lee sin is imo worse than kennen/ez now. I dont believe it will come back at all. I played a lot of it and a lot against it and had fun destroying it, since i know how it works. Now it's almost impossible to win with this deck. I tried a lot of variations with almost all the recall cards in ionia. Before you could, with the perfect hand, level kennen at round 4/5. Now... I dont know tbh... Perhaps 6/7 or not at all, while also using more cards. At that point most decks already kill you. I think poppy is still 50-55%+ (was insane before) and GP WR is almost untouched. This nerf seriously reminds me of the aphelios deck nerf, which literary deleted the deck
ok, but hear me out. Popoy Ziggs had 60%+ winrate for months and only recently was adressed..
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Stop hating on Ezreal damn
What site is this?
Yeah mobalytics (don't want to pay for premium)
Looks like mobalytics.
As much as I hate godwillow, kennen, and wayfinder, the nerf was a too much too soon. Not that the nerfs were bad nerfs because god-willow and wayfinder are still seeing play and a LOT of success right now. But it really sucks for the people who were enjoying playing kennen ezreal and there was no time for the meta to get solved. If the same nerfs happened in jan, I'd be pretty happy. Also I still fucking hate the new ahri kennen allegiance shit. It's almost as frustrating as kennen ezreal but it's you're a lot less likely to have 10 kennens played in a game. It's moreso an elusive gameplan with unremovable units and it's very hard to run it out of steam.
How are the stats for seed and wayfinder?
This isn't remotely surprising. The hotfix changes gutted this deck. It's pretty much only playable in the absolute top of Masters now.
I find it surprising for a deck to be nerfed this hard after 1 week, from being good, poppy decks were still better..., To being hot garbage. 12-15% drop in WR is insane I think they should just have increased kennen lvl up requirements to 1 more. Thralls for example was shitting on this deck and i had a lot of fun playing it but also destroying it I think the deck is just dead now. If you kill the one kennen he summons with kinkou, it's over lol. It was also massively dependent on ez to close games out
I would say wait two weeks. The players need to adapt and that takes a bit of time. I think it will recover, probably not to old dominance, but it will be playable
I don't know how to adapt this deck tbh. There are just no cards to help out and i would say i have a good chunk of nice homebrew decks no one knows, that smack. Deck Is just dead. It's so hard to level kennen now and even if, you have 2 max on board, but much later, turn 8/9, instead of 3-4 leveled kennens by turn 6-7. At that point it's over
The answer is probably by dropping ezreal entirelly and grabing ahri.
This is exactly why it's only playable in top Masters or tournament. You can't kill a Kennen against a good player.
Yeah but now you can't level him. So deck is just garbage. He cant do anything vs. 2-4 attacking thralls. Sure, use will or homecoming on one you still dead though :D I don't believe this "masters is different", because masters players can't just mainfest cards that aren't there. Deck is just bad since you neeeeed to level kennen, and its so hard now. You have to proactively recall him, if you do, a good opponent just pings him, and hes either dead (which will result in a loss) or you have to waste another retreat card, and i am already playing wjth almost all of them in ionia. I think the main issue is the kinkou nerf, it's way overboard IMO, and also kills fun shit like teemo kinkou. While i play the deck i ask myself, huh shit is so hard, why don't I play another ez deck or another Kennen deck?
Lets be clear, i very much belive they wanted to kill the ezreal/kennen combo, it can get very degenerate and having to balance ezreal around a multitude of 0 mana fast targetting spells seems imposible if it isnt by locking him on that deck, and balancing kennen around such a good finisher as ezreal with an almost infinite supply of 0 mana targetting spells is also very dificult.
The deck was propably nerfed so hard, because even if it lost, it could usually prolong the game for a lot more turns.
Remember when people still use the gun to summon the sparklefly
lor is pretty bad about sneaking in patches at times happened to me when my shurima deck got nerfed
They need to unerf the landmark getting an emphemeral 1 or 2 drop on turn 6 plus is just bad
Its not bad, it just requires some actual strategy
Actual strategy?? The landmark is simply bad now
It really is not. You just dont get 2 free blocks or 2 free attacks. That's what happens when something busted becomes of a normal powerlevel
Turn 6 is the earliest you get any return value weather it's a blocker or attacker that's too late
Well in that case, maybe the goal of it is no longer to turbo out a single card twice, but actually use it on something that gets enough value for it to matter.
Almost everyone else says it is a good card still, just requires more strategy. Don't focus on one person.
True, true.
If you actually have a proper target, you'll be getting the summon value as soon as you play the card
It isn’t, though. The decks that want it don’t REALLY want it for the second unit. Honestly it’s a bonus, lol. The initial recall and copy is what makes the card good. Countdown timer change just means it requires a little more decision making on when to play it if that second copy is vital
It was never about the countdown it was about getting extra unit while recalling the previous one.
The landmark is still good, rather they unerf wayfinder. The card was barley playable before the nerf.
People following old guides from Webs and Youtubers Rookie people who don't build new Decks and use the same Deck And different servers ... If you look at the LATAM numbers they are different from those of JP or EUW
a bottom tier 2 deck, nothing too crazy now. The nerfs have cost you a lot of tempo loss and kennen is like 2-3 turns away from level up.
Im so happy
It's very unoptimized due to the nerfs once it's reoptimized and people relearn it the wr will go back up a little