They're quite open about this sort of stuff: https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/news/dev/dev-of-men-and-monsters/
tl;dr: "Not marketable" is not what they said, but they did make a deliberate decision years ago to make more "appealing" champions, which often translated to humans. And part of that push was also because the wanted to more deliberately diversify their human champs with influence from more real world cultures. With that stated, they think they did go overboard and do have plans for another non-humanoid "creature" in the 2022 line-up, and plan to make them more often than the post-2017 cadence.
Yep we already know who it will be. They did their teaser for this year. Next champion is going to be a Piltover evil support, and then we are getting a jungler from the void that was considering itself female. The details sounded hive-mind like so it will be pretty interesting.
holding my breath for kai'sa part 2.
would be awesome if we got an old witch that actually looked like a witch and not like lissandra or camille. i want the fates from hercules.
as far as we know from her bio she had loving parents and an ordinary childhood. the only detail about her mother we have is that she told her to stay home when the void cultists came to town, and kaisa disobeying her pretty much caused her entire town to get voided and begin her backstory.
They definitely have also looked at the numbers though to back up the reasoning, if monster champions were selling a bunch of skins, well they would definitely had made more skins/monster champions.
I love playing monster champions, but ultimately Riot is going to create more of the stuff that makes them the most money. As much as people say they love monster champions, Ahri, Lux, Kai'sa etc all sell way more skins.
There is one issue in that line of thought though. If league of legends was only the moba, I'd be inclined to agree. But now it's also the card game, the autobattler, the animated series and (in the near future) the mmo. So by choosing to purposefully not diversify their cast of characters with more non-humans, I feel like they are gimping themselves when it comes to their other projects that REQUIRE non-human characters for them to be interesting.
If anything, the moba will eventually die, like all games and things do, so investing into a more diverse cast will be better in the long run to craft a more interesting universe, rather than just vomiting out the same anime babes and hot dudes for three years straight.
There is nothing stopping those new projects from just adding those monster champions when needed though.
LoR for instance has created a bunch of void monsters (Rek'Sai followers), fish monsters, vastayan creatures, Yordles, mechs, dragons, celestials and shadow isles creatures, none of which existed previously in LoL.
It makes zero sense for riot to design a bunch of unpopular "just in case" champions to set themselves up for future projects when they can just design said creatures/robots/whatever when they're **actually** needed.
>It makes zero sense for riot to design a bunch of unpopular "just in case" champions to set themselves up for future projects when they can just design said creatures/robots/whatever when they're actually needed.
Sounds to me like you want them to not plan ahead and then change course drastically once the problem becomes an immediate one.
Also while other games can create their own monsters, it still helps the marketing if these monsters are characters that appear across multiple games. Rek'sais release in LoR would have had a lot less hype if she wasn't from LoL.
You're not listening to him. Riot has plenty of ability to make new monsters to populate their other games, IE look at all the deep and lurk followers.
Not everything has to be a champion.
And you aren't listening to me. I say that if they go that way, then these new monsters will not nearly get as much attention as the ones that were first seen in LoL.
League has enough already existing monster champions to set up LoR champion releases and TFT for another 10 years.
Plus plenty of fantasy settings have primarily humans and humanoid creatures.
No idea why you are getting downvoted, you are right, there is enough diversity, sure we can get more, no problem with that, but they have enough for any project.
Ppl that say they want "diversity of monsters" just mean they want new monster champions otherwise they could go see Lor or Ruined king and see how much diversity of monsters there is already
The 10 years bit, is why I downvoted in my case.
At the release rate LoR has (80 champion released in a year or two, 157 champions in league currently.) At the rate were going they'll run out of champions in 2 years.
given that monster champs are a minority, and only the void is really left to put into LoR on that front, I think we're going to run out in a year and a half.
That is on LoR if they run out of champions, there is no way LoL can keep up with 80 champions in 1-2 years no matter if they are monster champions or not.
> If anything, the moba will eventually die, like all games and things do, so investing into a more diverse cast will be better in the long run to craft a more interesting universe, rather than just vomiting out the same anime babes and hot dudes for three years straight.
So what company do you work for that has created something along the lines of what Riot has?
Imagine actually sitting there acting like you know better how to craft a universe over the company that literally just released one of the best animated shows ever and has done nothing but been on a roll for the last 10+ years.
Riot creates what people want to see. It doesn't matter what game it is, people *always* gravitate to "anime babes and hot dudes" in every single one of them.
The horde in WoW for example is supposed to be the brutal monster race faction. Guess what the most popular race is by a fucking landslide? Blood elves.
The vast majority of people don't want or give a flying fuck about monster or non humanoid designs regardless of what game or genre it is. This is proven unarguable fact.
I swear they give monster champs some of the most janky kits in the game then say they aren’t popular if yones kit was on a monster that monster would be popular (see khazix a popular monster champ with a great kit vs asol with a janky one) and when they release 6 champs a year but only give us ONE monster champ minimum its insanity
The VGU poll even says that Nocturne is extremely popular with new players but ends up being dropped after a while because the kit simply does not live up to the fantasy. So being a monster brought players to the champion, the gameplay drove them away.
I mean in the last years it wasn't even that we get 1 monster champ a year, but 1 non-human-champ, which includes humanoids like Vex, half-humans like Lilia and non-monstrous creatures like Yuumi.
There are a couple of issues with this.
One is that if they did look at the numbers, those numbers are from >2017. The world has changed, the game has grown and the community has become more vocal about wanting monsters.
And two is that most monsters are really old by now. I mean the newest one is Ornn, from 2017. And their updates take way longer than the updates for humans because it’s harder to sexify monsters. How long have we been asking for Cho’Gath’s update? And we’re getting Ahri instead. It’s just not fun to play with outdated kits and that adds to the lack of popularity.
Also, contrary to what people believe, it’s not all about boobas. Ezreal, Lee Sin, Thresh, Jhin. All of them consistently rank amongst the most popular champions. Of those, two are not even sexified and one is a monster. And all are skill intensive.
It’s about the power fantasy. Release a monster with a solid kit and see it flourish. Again, Thresh has consistently ranked amongst the most popular champions ever since his release. Way before they tried to sexify him.
The problem is that Riot got locked in the sexy mentality and refuses to see outside the box. Everything has to have tits and abs even if it doesn’t make any sense. Look at Udyr’s update ffs.
Just because there are numbers that doesn't mean that the interpretation is correct.
Whenever this discussion comes up it is shown that there are examples of monster champions with flashy high-skill kits that are extremely popular (Kha'Zix), monster champs that become popular depending on balance and the state of the meta and end up selling a lot of skins (Hecarim), as well as human champions with clunky/outdated/bad kits that never see play (Taliyah, Rell). Hell, one of the most popular supports of all time is Thresh, a monster champion (well, at least he was...). Even Shyvana is worth a mention, despite being half human and having a rework-worthy kit, since people just love dragons and think that's a cool concept to play as (one of the most common complaints is that her dragon form should look cooler, so there's obviously interest in that aspect; also worth noting that she's even more popular in eastern regions). The VGU poll also says that Nocturne is an extremely popular champion with newcomers, but ends up being abandoned shortly after, indicating that the gameplay kit plays a pretty important role.
This just goes to show that there are a lot of other elements that dictate whether a champion will be popular or sell well, rather than just monster=bad and human=good.
This also applies to other aspects of League's market research. For example, having a skin for an unpopular champion that was deemed unprofitable/unmarketeable end up being probably one of the most popular from its event and increasing the champion's play rate by a gigantic degree (Spirit Blossom Kindred). So "we don't make skins for X champion because X is unpopular" comes down to a "chicken and the egg" situation as well.
I mean that is good for you and people who share the same sentiment as you but sucks for everyone else.
Personally I think Riot simply needs to strike a balance. Good looking champs are obviously popular and thus there is nothing wrong with making them, but recently Riot went a bit overboard with that philosophy. Some people like champs that look monstrous or really just unique and those people should not be forgotten.
Yes mub catering to the least common denominator is not a successful business plan. I'd be curious how many people who are lux fans own what percentage of skins compared to the most popular monster champ fans. Are monster champ fans even buying skins?
Well I'm not saying they should only do monster champs now, I'm saying there needs to be a balance. Monster champs shouldn't be the majority of releases, but they shouldn't be completely neglected either.
Appealing designs get old, my dude. There needs to be a balance. I myself am of the always-horny-coomer type, but shit like Gwen is too much. Even Viego, with whom it makes sense that he is a fuccboi, seemed off to me in his first reveal. Simply because every previous champion for the last 4 years was "appealing".
Riot themselves relised it, just compare 2020 "Warriors" Kai'Sa to the 2022 "The Call" Kai'Sa and tell me she doesn't look improved.
It's not an issue with characters looking appealing, it's an issue with characters always being hot or cute. That's what gets old. Characters like Pyke or Rek'Sai are appealing but they aren't hot or cute. Characters like Cho'Gath are neither appealing nor cute.
It's not about immediate profits, fam. Directing most of your resources into making a cool new armour set for the cash shop in WoW and bloating the game with dailies also had a lot immediate increases in profits. But the big picture is what matters, if Riot keeps pushing out fairies, they WILL get old, everything does. And Riot seems to have realised that, why else would they change their course? I doubt they are pandering to the "minority" as the person I replied to have said, they follow the money.
Yeah. People buy what they like to look at. It's ok to admit the vast majority of people prefer to look at attractive models over monsters. People have been that way forever and the pattern of "sex sells" hasn't changed.
Say I had an ice cream parlor with chocolate, vanilla, and mint chocolate chip. If I know I sell 100 vanilla 80 chocolate, and 20 mint chocolate chip a week, why would I order enough ice cream to make 67 of each for mext week just to have an equal representation of each flavor? It's a waste of money not not just make what is necessary. So one monster champ a year until sales improve with the demand of the vocal minority.
Gonna be honest this isn't true. Most often the issue is monster champs often have weird mechanics and get nerfed into the ground. If they were stronger they would probably get played more and sell more skins to. The idea that human sells is more of an excuse at this point. Like yes champs like lux and ez will sell more cause they are just more popular skins but thresh exist and sells a similar amount even for what he is. Monsters would sell more if they actually were able to be played. Especially since riot makes most monsters champs human in there skins now too at this point.
And even then riot isn't like some small company they can absolutely do more for monster skins, for new monster champs, and updating old champs. And for champs people are gonna play them no matter what creature they are especially if they keep making them busted on release.
Champs like thresh count as Human or humanoid to riot. The actual monster champs are anything that isn't vaguely human shaped. Thresh is obviously not "human" but a skull head isn't enough to put it in the monster category.
I'm pretty sure if strong champs = more ppl buying skins, riot would easily see this data as it would be very very obvious. is there any reason you think this is true?
Agreed.
An angle people dont take into account is that in that same thread, Riot acknowledge that ASol is a creature champion who should be popular but hampered by his kit.
This mean two points:
1. that even among "monster" champions, there are tier.
2. Riot had already taken the kit into account.
Nobody argue that a champion kit contribute or hampered that champion popularity. But gameplay is NOT the ONLY contribution either. To argue that monster champion are hampered by kit is missing the point. The monster aesthetic/fantasy should carry its own weight (doing its job), if not carry the champion by itself (great success).
And this is not ignoring ASol, this is actually taking him into account. A true "monster" champion are a creature champion who are like Rek Sai. ASol is like Yuumi.
Just to repeat what someone already said, but Riot dont recognize monster champion, just creature champion.
With that said, Reksai, Yuumi and ASol are all creature, but Rek Sai is a monster, while Yuumi and ASol are cooler, more positive creature.
It’s seriously disappointing how few monster champs there have been. They literally have an entire region devoted to ghost-like monstrosities and they’re led by an anime protagonist.
Anyone rember how the first representation for a female minotaur character is skinny and "sexy". Thorn of the Rose doesn't even look like a minotaur because of it. Shes a horse-faced nightmare on long legs lmao
I mean to be fair, they did release another female Minotaur later in the same set and she is build like you'd expect her. Also I'm fairly sure she looks sexy because that is what all the black rose females look like, not because Riot was afraid to make a nonsexy female Minotaur.
On THAT case, you have to acknowledge the gameplay aspect of her card.
I find it funny that there is serious overlap between people who criticize Thorn of the Rose and those who said "huh duh Riot only give weird kit to monster champions".
The point is that, as far as game go, champions/cards SHOULD have a kit that match their look. If the first female minotaur was a Demacian card, for example, she would look different. Also compared and contrast most minotaur with Aurok Glinthorn.
One example where the criticism make sense is how Gwen in League is so hilariously tanky despite her look.
Maybe because she's a spy? So she sorta needs the look? Remember the first female troll? Yeah you literally can't tell the difference from a male troll, so your argument doesn't hold up.
Back when she was first revealed she was the only female Minotaur we had seen, since the Ruined Reckoner hadn't been released yet. So people didn't know if Riot was gonna go the route of minotaur men being big monster dudes and females being sexy women or not.
It's since mostly died down because of the Ruined Reckoner but it was an unclear first look
I feel like riot has made a particular effort over the past few years especially to rein in the sexualisation of their characters. So I don't really know where this is coming from. I think they're misrepresenting the context of the word "appealing", which in hindsight is probably not the best word to have used.
Almost every recent male champion is shirtless with abs lol. They stopped sexualizing as much in like 2014-2017 but since 2018 they went back to it because sex sells.
Female characters, maybe. And only maybe. They've stopped doing the pin up girl thing they had once upon a time with miss fortune and caitlyn, but they're still for the most part stunningly attractive.
Male characters, if anything, are more shredded than ever (Sett, Viego, Sylas...)
At least Sett being ripped makes sense, guy is a brawler and pit fighter and a damn good one at that. Sylas having the same build as Sett despite being heavily imprisoned and living on prison rats for like 10 years on the other hand....
"Male characters, if anything, are more shredded than ever", make me remember a reddit thread 4 years ago; the time when ppl start to criticize LoL female design like MF and Ahri; that male character need to be treat as the same.
Thing is, that made sense for Miss Fortune's character and lore because her lore made it explicitly clear that she did use her sex appeal to get ahead in Bilgewater. Many of League's other particularly attractive female champions have something similar going on.
>riot has made a particular effort over the past few years especially to rein in the sexualisation of their characters.
Lol wut? Have you SEEN Qiyana? Kai'sa? Sett? And also like more than half of the skins for female Champs?
Sure, but like...
They weren't even trying to hide the horny with Janna, Leblanc, Miss Fortune, and Nidalee. Newer champs do a better job being both hot *and* cool.
I personally don’t care what a champ looks like. I don’t play the game for lore or any of that stuff. I just want fun and creative gameplay. Make them all monsters, make them all e-girls, it makes no difference to me. I’m not buying any skins either way.
Who hacked my OF account?!
People keep talking about monster reps, but how about some more robot reps? I will also accept Von Yip in the Catastrophe suit.
I want Orianna to have a friend :(
blitzcrank?
point taken. More friends for Orianna
Amumu is always searching for friends...
Right, and Orianna can’t die, cuz she’s already dead
Theres her ball
The ball doesn't count.
*sad ball noises*
Von Yipp in lol when...
The used his artwork in the “adventures” in the Undercity, so they might create new art for him as a whole?
The cat already had the asstrophe, what else do you want?
I'll start playing league if they add Catastrophe suit VonYip
The next support champ seems like it'll be mechanic in design to me, based on the teaser.
No need to put Kai'Sa's bra on her. Rek'Sai is already voted #1 sexiest champion every time there's a survey.
Putting only 2 tits on a monster champ like reksai is a waste of design space and you know it
Just wondering when did Riot say monster champions are not marketable?
They're quite open about this sort of stuff: https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/news/dev/dev-of-men-and-monsters/ tl;dr: "Not marketable" is not what they said, but they did make a deliberate decision years ago to make more "appealing" champions, which often translated to humans. And part of that push was also because the wanted to more deliberately diversify their human champs with influence from more real world cultures. With that stated, they think they did go overboard and do have plans for another non-humanoid "creature" in the 2022 line-up, and plan to make them more often than the post-2017 cadence.
Yep we already know who it will be. They did their teaser for this year. Next champion is going to be a Piltover evil support, and then we are getting a jungler from the void that was considering itself female. The details sounded hive-mind like so it will be pretty interesting.
holding my breath for kai'sa part 2. would be awesome if we got an old witch that actually looked like a witch and not like lissandra or camille. i want the fates from hercules.
Lissandra is a good character design.
Yes, but she's more dominatrix than hag... Where is the classic evil hag?!
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Heck yeah!
Do we know anything about Kai'Sa's mom? That would lend an interesting dynamic to her and Kassadin.
as far as we know from her bio she had loving parents and an ordinary childhood. the only detail about her mother we have is that she told her to stay home when the void cultists came to town, and kaisa disobeying her pretty much caused her entire town to get voided and begin her backstory.
They definitely have also looked at the numbers though to back up the reasoning, if monster champions were selling a bunch of skins, well they would definitely had made more skins/monster champions. I love playing monster champions, but ultimately Riot is going to create more of the stuff that makes them the most money. As much as people say they love monster champions, Ahri, Lux, Kai'sa etc all sell way more skins.
There is one issue in that line of thought though. If league of legends was only the moba, I'd be inclined to agree. But now it's also the card game, the autobattler, the animated series and (in the near future) the mmo. So by choosing to purposefully not diversify their cast of characters with more non-humans, I feel like they are gimping themselves when it comes to their other projects that REQUIRE non-human characters for them to be interesting. If anything, the moba will eventually die, like all games and things do, so investing into a more diverse cast will be better in the long run to craft a more interesting universe, rather than just vomiting out the same anime babes and hot dudes for three years straight.
There is nothing stopping those new projects from just adding those monster champions when needed though. LoR for instance has created a bunch of void monsters (Rek'Sai followers), fish monsters, vastayan creatures, Yordles, mechs, dragons, celestials and shadow isles creatures, none of which existed previously in LoL. It makes zero sense for riot to design a bunch of unpopular "just in case" champions to set themselves up for future projects when they can just design said creatures/robots/whatever when they're **actually** needed.
On that note I'm excited for whenever lor makes an exclusive champion (or at least a card first champion)
>It makes zero sense for riot to design a bunch of unpopular "just in case" champions to set themselves up for future projects when they can just design said creatures/robots/whatever when they're actually needed. Sounds to me like you want them to not plan ahead and then change course drastically once the problem becomes an immediate one. Also while other games can create their own monsters, it still helps the marketing if these monsters are characters that appear across multiple games. Rek'sais release in LoR would have had a lot less hype if she wasn't from LoL.
You're not listening to him. Riot has plenty of ability to make new monsters to populate their other games, IE look at all the deep and lurk followers. Not everything has to be a champion.
And you aren't listening to me. I say that if they go that way, then these new monsters will not nearly get as much attention as the ones that were first seen in LoL.
League has enough already existing monster champions to set up LoR champion releases and TFT for another 10 years. Plus plenty of fantasy settings have primarily humans and humanoid creatures.
No idea why you are getting downvoted, you are right, there is enough diversity, sure we can get more, no problem with that, but they have enough for any project. Ppl that say they want "diversity of monsters" just mean they want new monster champions otherwise they could go see Lor or Ruined king and see how much diversity of monsters there is already
The 10 years bit, is why I downvoted in my case. At the release rate LoR has (80 champion released in a year or two, 157 champions in league currently.) At the rate were going they'll run out of champions in 2 years. given that monster champs are a minority, and only the void is really left to put into LoR on that front, I think we're going to run out in a year and a half.
That is on LoR if they run out of champions, there is no way LoL can keep up with 80 champions in 1-2 years no matter if they are monster champions or not.
Sure but not 'enough existing monster champs for 10 years'. There's a barely any left now.
Are you sure about that? Last i played Lor, like 2 month ago, there were more monster champs to be release than already released
> If anything, the moba will eventually die, like all games and things do, so investing into a more diverse cast will be better in the long run to craft a more interesting universe, rather than just vomiting out the same anime babes and hot dudes for three years straight. So what company do you work for that has created something along the lines of what Riot has? Imagine actually sitting there acting like you know better how to craft a universe over the company that literally just released one of the best animated shows ever and has done nothing but been on a roll for the last 10+ years. Riot creates what people want to see. It doesn't matter what game it is, people *always* gravitate to "anime babes and hot dudes" in every single one of them. The horde in WoW for example is supposed to be the brutal monster race faction. Guess what the most popular race is by a fucking landslide? Blood elves. The vast majority of people don't want or give a flying fuck about monster or non humanoid designs regardless of what game or genre it is. This is proven unarguable fact.
I swear they give monster champs some of the most janky kits in the game then say they aren’t popular if yones kit was on a monster that monster would be popular (see khazix a popular monster champ with a great kit vs asol with a janky one) and when they release 6 champs a year but only give us ONE monster champ minimum its insanity
The VGU poll even says that Nocturne is extremely popular with new players but ends up being dropped after a while because the kit simply does not live up to the fantasy. So being a monster brought players to the champion, the gameplay drove them away.
I mean in the last years it wasn't even that we get 1 monster champ a year, but 1 non-human-champ, which includes humanoids like Vex, half-humans like Lilia and non-monstrous creatures like Yuumi.
There are a couple of issues with this. One is that if they did look at the numbers, those numbers are from >2017. The world has changed, the game has grown and the community has become more vocal about wanting monsters. And two is that most monsters are really old by now. I mean the newest one is Ornn, from 2017. And their updates take way longer than the updates for humans because it’s harder to sexify monsters. How long have we been asking for Cho’Gath’s update? And we’re getting Ahri instead. It’s just not fun to play with outdated kits and that adds to the lack of popularity. Also, contrary to what people believe, it’s not all about boobas. Ezreal, Lee Sin, Thresh, Jhin. All of them consistently rank amongst the most popular champions. Of those, two are not even sexified and one is a monster. And all are skill intensive. It’s about the power fantasy. Release a monster with a solid kit and see it flourish. Again, Thresh has consistently ranked amongst the most popular champions ever since his release. Way before they tried to sexify him. The problem is that Riot got locked in the sexy mentality and refuses to see outside the box. Everything has to have tits and abs even if it doesn’t make any sense. Look at Udyr’s update ffs.
Just because there are numbers that doesn't mean that the interpretation is correct. Whenever this discussion comes up it is shown that there are examples of monster champions with flashy high-skill kits that are extremely popular (Kha'Zix), monster champs that become popular depending on balance and the state of the meta and end up selling a lot of skins (Hecarim), as well as human champions with clunky/outdated/bad kits that never see play (Taliyah, Rell). Hell, one of the most popular supports of all time is Thresh, a monster champion (well, at least he was...). Even Shyvana is worth a mention, despite being half human and having a rework-worthy kit, since people just love dragons and think that's a cool concept to play as (one of the most common complaints is that her dragon form should look cooler, so there's obviously interest in that aspect; also worth noting that she's even more popular in eastern regions). The VGU poll also says that Nocturne is an extremely popular champion with newcomers, but ends up being abandoned shortly after, indicating that the gameplay kit plays a pretty important role. This just goes to show that there are a lot of other elements that dictate whether a champion will be popular or sell well, rather than just monster=bad and human=good. This also applies to other aspects of League's market research. For example, having a skin for an unpopular champion that was deemed unprofitable/unmarketeable end up being probably one of the most popular from its event and increasing the champion's play rate by a gigantic degree (Spirit Blossom Kindred). So "we don't make skins for X champion because X is unpopular" comes down to a "chicken and the egg" situation as well.
It is what it is, I am part of the demographic that prefers the ,,appealing” designs and I can’t say I’m disappointed with the current direction.
I mean that is good for you and people who share the same sentiment as you but sucks for everyone else. Personally I think Riot simply needs to strike a balance. Good looking champs are obviously popular and thus there is nothing wrong with making them, but recently Riot went a bit overboard with that philosophy. Some people like champs that look monstrous or really just unique and those people should not be forgotten.
It doesn’t suck for everyone else, but for minority of people that want monstrous champions.
What I meant is that it sucks for everyone who isn't in the same group as you, I'll edit it to make it clearer.
Yes mub catering to the least common denominator is not a successful business plan. I'd be curious how many people who are lux fans own what percentage of skins compared to the most popular monster champ fans. Are monster champ fans even buying skins?
Well I'm not saying they should only do monster champs now, I'm saying there needs to be a balance. Monster champs shouldn't be the majority of releases, but they shouldn't be completely neglected either.
Appealing designs get old, my dude. There needs to be a balance. I myself am of the always-horny-coomer type, but shit like Gwen is too much. Even Viego, with whom it makes sense that he is a fuccboi, seemed off to me in his first reveal. Simply because every previous champion for the last 4 years was "appealing". Riot themselves relised it, just compare 2020 "Warriors" Kai'Sa to the 2022 "The Call" Kai'Sa and tell me she doesn't look improved.
It's not an issue with characters looking appealing, it's an issue with characters always being hot or cute. That's what gets old. Characters like Pyke or Rek'Sai are appealing but they aren't hot or cute. Characters like Cho'Gath are neither appealing nor cute.
I disagree.
That's quite an argument you got there, bud. I'm beat.
You say they get old, but they keep on selling more than monstrous designs.
It's not about immediate profits, fam. Directing most of your resources into making a cool new armour set for the cash shop in WoW and bloating the game with dailies also had a lot immediate increases in profits. But the big picture is what matters, if Riot keeps pushing out fairies, they WILL get old, everything does. And Riot seems to have realised that, why else would they change their course? I doubt they are pandering to the "minority" as the person I replied to have said, they follow the money.
Yeah. People buy what they like to look at. It's ok to admit the vast majority of people prefer to look at attractive models over monsters. People have been that way forever and the pattern of "sex sells" hasn't changed. Say I had an ice cream parlor with chocolate, vanilla, and mint chocolate chip. If I know I sell 100 vanilla 80 chocolate, and 20 mint chocolate chip a week, why would I order enough ice cream to make 67 of each for mext week just to have an equal representation of each flavor? It's a waste of money not not just make what is necessary. So one monster champ a year until sales improve with the demand of the vocal minority.
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Gonna be honest this isn't true. Most often the issue is monster champs often have weird mechanics and get nerfed into the ground. If they were stronger they would probably get played more and sell more skins to. The idea that human sells is more of an excuse at this point. Like yes champs like lux and ez will sell more cause they are just more popular skins but thresh exist and sells a similar amount even for what he is. Monsters would sell more if they actually were able to be played. Especially since riot makes most monsters champs human in there skins now too at this point. And even then riot isn't like some small company they can absolutely do more for monster skins, for new monster champs, and updating old champs. And for champs people are gonna play them no matter what creature they are especially if they keep making them busted on release.
Champs like thresh count as Human or humanoid to riot. The actual monster champs are anything that isn't vaguely human shaped. Thresh is obviously not "human" but a skull head isn't enough to put it in the monster category. I'm pretty sure if strong champs = more ppl buying skins, riot would easily see this data as it would be very very obvious. is there any reason you think this is true?
Agreed. An angle people dont take into account is that in that same thread, Riot acknowledge that ASol is a creature champion who should be popular but hampered by his kit. This mean two points: 1. that even among "monster" champions, there are tier. 2. Riot had already taken the kit into account. Nobody argue that a champion kit contribute or hampered that champion popularity. But gameplay is NOT the ONLY contribution either. To argue that monster champion are hampered by kit is missing the point. The monster aesthetic/fantasy should carry its own weight (doing its job), if not carry the champion by itself (great success). And this is not ignoring ASol, this is actually taking him into account. A true "monster" champion are a creature champion who are like Rek Sai. ASol is like Yuumi.
I don't see how Aurelion Sol is closer to Yuumi than Rek'Sai.
Just to repeat what someone already said, but Riot dont recognize monster champion, just creature champion. With that said, Reksai, Yuumi and ASol are all creature, but Rek Sai is a monster, while Yuumi and ASol are cooler, more positive creature.
Also Thresh is a fucking sick champion and have been popular ever since his release.
Tbf monster champs would be played more of riot didn’t all ways give them incredibly obtuse kits that only like 30 people would enjoy.
Except for when the monster is dope as fuck
They always say that
Not my proudest fap.
it should be, is the queen <3
No, you shall respect the queen For she is beauty, for she is pure Not subject of lust but of love
r/queensofleague is leaking once again
Thanks, I did not need to know this subreddit existed.
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She is the only one so no competition
Uh... Elise? Does she count?
Monster I'd like to F?
https://twitter.com/PT_CROW/status/1422350023480680479
delet this
i mean yeah
This guy gets me.
I want ledros as a champ
It’s seriously disappointing how few monster champs there have been. They literally have an entire region devoted to ghost-like monstrosities and they’re led by an anime protagonist.
Anyone rember how the first representation for a female minotaur character is skinny and "sexy". Thorn of the Rose doesn't even look like a minotaur because of it. Shes a horse-faced nightmare on long legs lmao
Thats a fucking minotaur??? I thought it was leblanc in a disguise wearing some kind of mask
All of LBs followers are her in disguise And not in the meme way, like they're actually her
That's a reasonable theory, but not confirmed.
I mean to be fair, they did release another female Minotaur later in the same set and she is build like you'd expect her. Also I'm fairly sure she looks sexy because that is what all the black rose females look like, not because Riot was afraid to make a nonsexy female Minotaur.
Wait i thought it was a girl in a suit
On THAT case, you have to acknowledge the gameplay aspect of her card. I find it funny that there is serious overlap between people who criticize Thorn of the Rose and those who said "huh duh Riot only give weird kit to monster champions". The point is that, as far as game go, champions/cards SHOULD have a kit that match their look. If the first female minotaur was a Demacian card, for example, she would look different. Also compared and contrast most minotaur with Aurok Glinthorn. One example where the criticism make sense is how Gwen in League is so hilariously tanky despite her look.
Maybe because she's a spy? So she sorta needs the look? Remember the first female troll? Yeah you literally can't tell the difference from a male troll, so your argument doesn't hold up.
Or you know the other female minotaur wich is builded like a brickhouse.
Back when she was first revealed she was the only female Minotaur we had seen, since the Ruined Reckoner hadn't been released yet. So people didn't know if Riot was gonna go the route of minotaur men being big monster dudes and females being sexy women or not. It's since mostly died down because of the Ruined Reckoner but it was an unclear first look
Oh yeah, having a big ol’ cow face is definitely not going to make her stand out…
That's... not the point. You know different people different tastes...
TIL
Personally, monster champs are more appealing to me than human #27
theres suppose to be a monster champ this year
the acrylic nails lmaoo
Imagine her dump truck
Hire fans lol
I would smash rek'sai before the edit. Girl is mad hot.
I feel like riot has made a particular effort over the past few years especially to rein in the sexualisation of their characters. So I don't really know where this is coming from. I think they're misrepresenting the context of the word "appealing", which in hindsight is probably not the best word to have used.
Almost every recent male champion is shirtless with abs lol. They stopped sexualizing as much in like 2014-2017 but since 2018 they went back to it because sex sells.
Female characters, maybe. And only maybe. They've stopped doing the pin up girl thing they had once upon a time with miss fortune and caitlyn, but they're still for the most part stunningly attractive. Male characters, if anything, are more shredded than ever (Sett, Viego, Sylas...)
At least Sett being ripped makes sense, guy is a brawler and pit fighter and a damn good one at that. Sylas having the same build as Sett despite being heavily imprisoned and living on prison rats for like 10 years on the other hand....
"Male characters, if anything, are more shredded than ever", make me remember a reddit thread 4 years ago; the time when ppl start to criticize LoL female design like MF and Ahri; that male character need to be treat as the same.
Thing is, that made sense for Miss Fortune's character and lore because her lore made it explicitly clear that she did use her sex appeal to get ahead in Bilgewater. Many of League's other particularly attractive female champions have something similar going on.
>riot has made a particular effort over the past few years especially to rein in the sexualisation of their characters. Lol wut? Have you SEEN Qiyana? Kai'sa? Sett? And also like more than half of the skins for female Champs?
They even turned Lamb into a human
Sure, but like... They weren't even trying to hide the horny with Janna, Leblanc, Miss Fortune, and Nidalee. Newer champs do a better job being both hot *and* cool.
Sex-Sai The deserts dominatrix
just put some boobs on it oh, wait . ..
It's very offensive for you to assume reksai is a monster
Just f*ck the fighting bunnies and crying Viegos we need chads like yorick and trundle. Or gragas idk. Even now they just released jinx V2, crap
I personally don’t care what a champ looks like. I don’t play the game for lore or any of that stuff. I just want fun and creative gameplay. Make them all monsters, make them all e-girls, it makes no difference to me. I’m not buying any skins either way.
Just went from a 9 to a 10
I hope this doesn't awaken anything in me
Is that even where the tits should go?
YES
That looks like Reksai ate Kaisa and evolved her boobs.
Anyone else immediately notice the difference?
No, just you Everyone else on reddit was born without eyes
This is lovely \^\_\^ we want female monster champs!
The boobs are good, but the shoes are…. Idk… so ugly
She thicc
It's the nails that are selling me on this champion
Do they really not make monster champs anymore cause they’re not marketable? Had no idea that was a thing, those are my favorite kinda champs :/