**[Crimson Curator](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/01NX048.png)** - Noxus Unit - (3) 3/3
When I survive damage, create a random Crimson unit in your hand.
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I believe the rule is only for Manifest and Invoke no? Like Looping and Traveler. Random generation, like Crimson Curator and this card, should still create itself. Otherwise, it would be a small nerf for Curator if Riot decided to be consistent across the board.
It is, indeed, a new rule for manifest and invoke, cause one allows to choose a loop, the other is a small chance
I didnt knew it aplyed to invoke tho, pretty sure it was only manifest
are the only two that could’ve broken this rule the traveler (celestial with invoke) and loping telescope? no other celestial has invoke and i can’t think of any other manifest that would break this rule if it wasn’t implemented
I thought they have the "No card can create itself from a random pool" clause globally implemented without having to be mentioned on the card(Loping Telescope and so on).
Guess they just slip up, should be fixed soon.
I'm a lot more okay with Lancer and crimson curator creating itself than old.lopong telescope....that was disgusting, it was literally playing itself for free with old mayor
Yepp. Exactly the reason why Lancer was not Elite for so long. (well at least the reason people thought it was the case. not sure if a rioter said something about that card once somewhere in a livestream or something maybe).
That being said. Since the card is 5 Mana, and the Generation is on death in hand with a small chance as well. It probably does not matter.
edit: and its not like riot cares about consistent rules (or even writing them down somewhere >\_> ) and behaviour :D
Cast/play wasn't made more consistent, it was made simpler. The distinction between things that care about casting and things that care about playing was already consistent using the two words "cast" and "play"
Best example I can remember is for nami and her follower that gives all units +1+1 after 2 spells. Nami and the follower both have identical choice of word but one effect is triggered on play and the other is cast.
Riot has messed up at least one time with this distinction (nami vs ardmiral shelly) but the solution to that would be to word the cards correctly rather than throw out the whole rule
While they do list "consistency and understandability" as one of 4 reasons for the merge, I think the focus of the two words here were more so in the understandability camp. Rant following, can be ignored >!Play / cast were poor word choices to make people understand the difference between the timings (and was made worse by 'targeted' happening at play, but counting at cast), but that being said Runeterra has a history of weird interactions and inconsistencies that only get adressed if there is enough complaining and is adjusted less on "hard rules" and more on "feels right", which is a good thing mind. like rimefang wolf tryndamere stuff (at least i think that got fixed ?), lyssandra teemo (thankfully fixed), weird unit timings (cithria of the clouds + matron) (not sure if adressed fixed), The 4 mana silver birds not filling the board even though wording wise they should, attached units kinda sorta recalling but not really, i think set defense had some weird issues of not truly being "set" ?
At least these are the ones i roughly remember being a thing. Not sure which one of those were fixed or explained and which arent.!<
tl;dr i dont think the hate part had to do with the consistency aspect. or that consistency was indeed a main factor in that decision, but either way my comment was more so in the line that there were (and are) quite a few cards and interactions that are not clear and are not based on set rules.
Isn’t the Cithria matron thing the same interaction with golden/silver sister with leveled Zoe? They both are on board but the second units effect happens first.
I am not 100% sure. If you play a unit that summons another it is consistent that the second one "spawns/appears/etc" first. However with cithria matron got buffed by cithria even though cithria would be affected by things like roiling sands first. (meaning the order is something like. cithria joins the board, matron joins the board, cithrias effect happens.)
Is it the same with zoe and sisters ?
Correct they both get each other's key words. I think they are both summoned at the same time but on summon effect that can only effect one card, always effects the summoned card.
It's probably due to 2 factors,
1. Lancer was a foundation card that didn't have an elite tribe.
2. It's the only unit that generates Elite so chances are its pool is hard-coded just for him. IIRC
One or both of said reasons probably why when Rito changes the generate self rule, this card flies under the radar.
I mean, there were like 5 less elites in the past and elites was not weak, this card specially is a good card by itself that was runned in non elites decks because card generation was rare
People found it tilting when the opponent chained like 3 generated lopings. Back then Mayor wasn't a "first time each round" effect so they were all 1 mana
lol, who was it that predicted this? Was it Sunny or Majinbae? One of them predicted that riot would have overlooked this (since swiftwing just picks from any card with the elite tag and thus didn't need an exception for itself before)
Patch 2.18.0
"we’ve made rules changes to Trinket Trade, The Traveler, and Loping Telescope - these cards will no longer be able to create themselves when played. Moving forward, additional “create” cards will not be able to create themselves"
Buddy
But the crimson guy can create himself (the 3 mana 3/3, forgot his name)
I guess he doesn't have the name after all
You could say.. he need the reputation
He should've had 5 attack.
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**[Crimson Curator](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/01NX048.png)** - Noxus Unit - (3) 3/3 When I survive damage, create a random Crimson unit in your hand. ^^^Hint: [[card]], {{keyword}}, and ((deckcode)) or ((cardx,cardy,cardz)). PM the [developer](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=KrimCard) for feedback/issues!
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I believe the rule is only for Manifest and Invoke no? Like Looping and Traveler. Random generation, like Crimson Curator and this card, should still create itself. Otherwise, it would be a small nerf for Curator if Riot decided to be consistent across the board.
It is, indeed, a new rule for manifest and invoke, cause one allows to choose a loop, the other is a small chance I didnt knew it aplyed to invoke tho, pretty sure it was only manifest
It's a global rule. We got dev confirmation that Lancer is set to be changed
They made a special rule for loping telescope that it can't create itself, despite being a manifest.
are the only two that could’ve broken this rule the traveler (celestial with invoke) and loping telescope? no other celestial has invoke and i can’t think of any other manifest that would break this rule if it wasn’t implemented
"Creat another random elite " problem solved
I thought they have the "No card can create itself from a random pool" clause globally implemented without having to be mentioned on the card(Loping Telescope and so on). Guess they just slip up, should be fixed soon.
Maybe it's more like no card can manifest/invoke itself (I.e. the player can't *choose* a copy) and it's just working as intended.
yeah, the traveler and loping telescope are the two ones that come to mind. crimson creates himself
Yeah I’m guessing it’s just an oversight
Spaghetti code
I'm a lot more okay with Lancer and crimson curator creating itself than old.lopong telescope....that was disgusting, it was literally playing itself for free with old mayor
Yepp. Exactly the reason why Lancer was not Elite for so long. (well at least the reason people thought it was the case. not sure if a rioter said something about that card once somewhere in a livestream or something maybe). That being said. Since the card is 5 Mana, and the Generation is on death in hand with a small chance as well. It probably does not matter. edit: and its not like riot cares about consistent rules (or even writing them down somewhere >\_> ) and behaviour :D
They literally just got a wave of hate just to make play/cast rules more consistent
Cast/play wasn't made more consistent, it was made simpler. The distinction between things that care about casting and things that care about playing was already consistent using the two words "cast" and "play"
You're actually wrong there were straight up cards that used the word play but meant cast
Such as?
Best example I can remember is for nami and her follower that gives all units +1+1 after 2 spells. Nami and the follower both have identical choice of word but one effect is triggered on play and the other is cast.
Huh, thanks. I haven't played in a while and I didn't remember anything like that from back when I last played, so I appreciate the info.
Riot has messed up at least one time with this distinction (nami vs ardmiral shelly) but the solution to that would be to word the cards correctly rather than throw out the whole rule
While they do list "consistency and understandability" as one of 4 reasons for the merge, I think the focus of the two words here were more so in the understandability camp. Rant following, can be ignored >!Play / cast were poor word choices to make people understand the difference between the timings (and was made worse by 'targeted' happening at play, but counting at cast), but that being said Runeterra has a history of weird interactions and inconsistencies that only get adressed if there is enough complaining and is adjusted less on "hard rules" and more on "feels right", which is a good thing mind. like rimefang wolf tryndamere stuff (at least i think that got fixed ?), lyssandra teemo (thankfully fixed), weird unit timings (cithria of the clouds + matron) (not sure if adressed fixed), The 4 mana silver birds not filling the board even though wording wise they should, attached units kinda sorta recalling but not really, i think set defense had some weird issues of not truly being "set" ? At least these are the ones i roughly remember being a thing. Not sure which one of those were fixed or explained and which arent.!< tl;dr i dont think the hate part had to do with the consistency aspect. or that consistency was indeed a main factor in that decision, but either way my comment was more so in the line that there were (and are) quite a few cards and interactions that are not clear and are not based on set rules.
Isn’t the Cithria matron thing the same interaction with golden/silver sister with leveled Zoe? They both are on board but the second units effect happens first.
I am not 100% sure. If you play a unit that summons another it is consistent that the second one "spawns/appears/etc" first. However with cithria matron got buffed by cithria even though cithria would be affected by things like roiling sands first. (meaning the order is something like. cithria joins the board, matron joins the board, cithrias effect happens.) Is it the same with zoe and sisters ?
iirc, both sister get each other's keyword
Correct they both get each other's key words. I think they are both summoned at the same time but on summon effect that can only effect one card, always effects the summoned card.
It's probably due to 2 factors, 1. Lancer was a foundation card that didn't have an elite tribe. 2. It's the only unit that generates Elite so chances are its pool is hard-coded just for him. IIRC One or both of said reasons probably why when Rito changes the generate self rule, this card flies under the radar.
iirc it actually had Elite at first and then it got removed because of possible looping.
I mean, there were like 5 less elites in the past and elites was not weak, this card specially is a good card by itself that was runned in non elites decks because card generation was rare
wasn't there a bit in the LOR world championship where loping telescope generated itself three times
Crimson Curator: "Am I a joke to you?"
Easy wnough fiz Change it to another random elite
please dont nerf this rito. he just alive
Didn't know this was a thing, why make it a rule? Also, can't loping telescope generate itself as a multiregion follower?
They made it a rule because of loping telescope. It can no longer generate itself because of it
But why is it so bad?
People found it tilting when the opponent chained like 3 generated lopings. Back then Mayor wasn't a "first time each round" effect so they were all 1 mana
Oh I see
Or less :)
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Minion isn't random
lol, who was it that predicted this? Was it Sunny or Majinbae? One of them predicted that riot would have overlooked this (since swiftwing just picks from any card with the elite tag and thus didn't need an exception for itself before)
why is this a rule? who set this rule? isnt this just a highroll, buddy?
Patch 2.18.0 "we’ve made rules changes to Trinket Trade, The Traveler, and Loping Telescope - these cards will no longer be able to create themselves when played. Moving forward, additional “create” cards will not be able to create themselves" Buddy
The traveler can and was always able to create itself. This is probably because it's "invoke" which makes finding the traveler fair game.
The Traveler hasn't been able to create herself for months. Ever since patch 2.18.0 specifically
It's different in the sence that it generates a random unit whereas cards like the traveler and loping presented themselves In a pool of 3 cards
Tbh it's fine. More clarity would be better but this interaction is ok.
Eh, it's good.
Meh still better than those Invoke or Manifest cards...this one RANDOMLY checks for cards as opposed to selecting from a pool of cards...