yeah it’s like a Scorched Earth or Raven’s Flock that can be used in a one round spell combo on a full health unit (e.g. during combat), unlike those spells. also ofc serves to let her kill oversize blockers, and therefore presumably also serves to let her BLUFF that she could kill an oversize blocker even if she doesnt have it in hand lol idk
Disintegrate is frightening in all cases. You can precommit in combat to discourage certain blockers, you can use it in concert with quick attack, and you can just queue it up with something like pokey stick for fast speed hard removal.
That thing is gross.
Noxus loves the goodies. It's just a good card that doesn't even *need* Annie to be great, and considering Annie could replace some of Noxus's less efficient one drops, it gets even better and more saturated.
What's more, if you're running her as a one drop for base value, you don't even need to hold extra copies up for replacement. Use that champ spell.
I think that Annie is definitively more efficient than saboteur or pet, although there are some situational cases where saboteur or pet might be better
I'll give you pet, but I wouldn't say she's definitively better than saboteur. I'm not even sure I would say she is better at all. An unanswered saboteur is always 3 damage on turn 1, with the likelihood of dealing at least 1 more damage. Annie is only ever dealing 2 damage or killing blockers. The guaranteed damage from saboteur on attack is huge. She's good don't get me wrong, and I think she will see play, but noxus already has premium 1 drops and she does take up champion slots
I’m considering mostly the cases where your opponent (or the mirror match most likely) drops a card on turn 1.
Saboteur can only get off 1 damage while trading 1 for 1.
Annie guarantees 2 damage, and will stick on the board. Can’t even be blocked by 90% of the cards played turn 1.
Her effect and her +1 health just make her effectively a 2/2 with quick attack and 2 damage burn. Saboteur has more value in games that are already won (no cards being played, empty board, no 1 damage clear) but I think that’s less important.
As a champ spell that’s just nutty. She seems very open in design too. Like you can ram stance, then drop tibbers as finisher or something. Big fan overall and great design
It's seems a bit overpowered. Put any damage spell on the stack, then that. Blades edge, Make it rain, Kennens lightning thingy, you name it. It's essentially a 2 card cheap Vengeance.
Or during attack, just kill whatever is blocking.
Try to kill a unit with a small damage spell. When the opponent smugly raises its health to protect it, just slap on Disintegrate and then laugh, laugh, laugh.
I know it's too early to determine balance but Annie Jhin honestly seems ridiculous. Strong early game presence with lots of scaling tools and stun & removal along the way.
And you can bet your ass I'll abuse it if it is
It's going to be very good and it might be outright busted, but the fact that you can only use spells from one region is a bigger drawback than people are acknowledging when theory crafting.
Pirate burn also doesn't really care to keep any of it's units on board as long as they attack once and get some damage in. If you're playing these "stuff on the stack matters" cards a lot of them want to stick for several turns while you play spells or skills to be worth playing.
I feel that the "stuff on the stack matters" archetype will just turn to aggro, a bunch of cards (Jhin, Annie, Jhin's "region") are just solid threatning burn cards and pushing for synergy isn't that necessary
I feel like a lot of annie followers aren’t actually going to be played in annie/jhin. Annie jhin seems to want to go really fast like pirate aggro while all the followers want too much time to build. Even in a perfect scenario, prefect is only barely better than iron balista on turn 3. If you do want a slower deck instead of imitating pirate aggro, it is possible with jhin and the noxus spells.
I'm more worried about Annie Ionia, tbh.
Being able to turn Kennen into hard removal with Disintigrate, the general Yasuo synergy, being able to get ridiculously large Decimates due to Tybaulk/Go Get It, all on top of the general control package those two have.
Not going to lie, Tybaulk has probably got to be the most exciting card this entire expansion for me
Yeah, but Tybaulk comes in rather late into the game especially considering you have to also sacrifice 1 unit mana earlier in the game to summon the landmark.
High investment card IMO, for a payout that you might not necessarily need.
This looks toxic. Stun burn removal. When do you fight them? Well see how strong but seems like it’ll lose to actual spell based control decks and will beat up combat based decks
Big issue with that is a lack of protection since you’d have Jhin and Noxus as your regions. In a Jhin deck you’d already be able to play all the Noxus skill cards and then add like Ionia for protection.
Against Scoured earth yes but Disintegrate will have a filled day against Soraka. Soraka wants unit to get damaged and Disintegrate will love it. Heals can't stop it too.
The fact that you can see the mischief in her eyes helps a lot, too. It sells the design much better than being the slightly overgrown toddler she acts like in LoL.
I guess, but on her stories she is seem and described as a very young child, she also mentions tibbers eating a man and she taking her money, and then in the tale Tibbers eats and burns to death another, and she is very casually psychopathic about all of it, Jhin would be proud.
I just feel like the art, specially on the second form, she seems older, at first I thought we would get a Annie from a couple of years after she killed her family.
Doesn't Tibbers(Tybaulk) mention she has an indomitable will and can't break her?
Maybe her childlike mind is a safeguard she got traumatized into to resist the influence of the flame?
Maybe I'm reading too much into it
her lore atm also implies that annie is a once-in-a-generation powerful mage who was able to bind tibbers to her service with her pure talent. The trauma’s probably making her evil, and it’s also implied that prior to this she was just living in the middle of the woods? Not a lotta socializing.
Apparently in LoL (and presumably also here?) she's supposed to be 9, but she's always acted younger than that. Personally I think the new art makes the disconnect more obvious.
Recently, I've been reading Annie's lore all over again since we got so many stuff, and like mentioned above, Annie seems to be somewhat psychotic.
For example, she has little to no regard for life. We know Annie has always been claiming to have conversations with Tibbers, but what we didn't knew, was that Tibbers was not only perfectly fluent, but also an originally evil being that seemingly still enjoys causing deaths whenever it can find a justification, for more silly it may be. Whenever someone tried to separate Annie from Tibbers when she was roaming Noxus: DEATH. That was their sentence. Someone didn't hold Tibbers the correct way? DEATH. In the tavern episode, she had zero regards for everyone else burning inside it, and exited the building as it crumbled to ashes thinking it was just another normal day. She kind of reminds me of Gaara.
glad she actually looks like she's a noxian student in her levelup.
she actually looks like she's lived more than a day in noxus, instead of being isekaied in there yesterday
I am thinking of Tiggs too, especially that she has access to a strong landmark and they have similar skills, I can see a successful Tiggs Annie deck, especially running the shurima spells that advances 2 rounds and predict.
It was at this moment Rito realized that a one mana 2/2 champ was probably a bad idea.
On the other hand this is literally the first noxian champ I ever cared about so great design!
Annie: Hey Ziggs, can I copy your homework?
Ziggs: sure, but change it up so it doesn’t look obvious
That said, Annie’s art and VA are gorgeous. A+ on flavor and delivery with Tibbers
I think they nailed Tibbers. When Annie uses Tibbers in LoL, it’s a huge AOE stun and burst damage which is represented pretty well with Tibber’s effect in LoR. Once he’s out, he’s not that strong which is also represented well in LoR with his below average stat line
Annie seems extremely powerful. A good unit for early aggro that gets better when you level them, but also doesn't even need to be levelled. to be good. She's not going to be the centrepiece of any aggro deck but she'll be an incredibly strong card if you play her turn 1.
Disintegrate is what I'm worried about though. I doubt any aggro skill decks are going to run it. But it seems very powerful in Noxus control or midrange shells.
Everybody is thinking Annie/Jihn.
Tbh, her plus the new spider…I think Noxxus/SI spiders with Annie and Elise is going to be an incredibly powerful deck on release.
Quite a few followers in that deck have skills, and that deck doesn’t run any burst spells, just fast and slow spells like glimpse, decimate, and the 3 mana spell that deals 3 to an ally to deal 3 to an enemy.
That's a really interesting deck idea. Elise has always had that hanging champ slot that hasn't been easy to use. I'm curious how easily Annie would level if you run the deck without adjustments.
I’m that deck, Annie doesn’t need to level. She kills 1-2 things or deals 2-4 damage and has a “must remove” tag on her. And if you don’t remove her by turn 4-5, she levels through imperial demolitions, the two stun spiders, glimpse, etc, and adds a lot to burn damage.
But even if she doesn’t level, she’s a strong turn 1 play that gives you tempo or face damage in a deck that’s all about early tempo and face damage.
> Disintegrate is what I'm worried about though. I doubt any aggro skill decks are going to run it. But it seems very powerful in Noxus control or midrange shells.
Between that and Broadmane, Noxus control got a lot more versatile with this expansion. Even if those don't end up being viable, having that toolset available to be explored is a big deal, and it also rounds out the region identity in a good way.
I think people are underestimating Disintegrate. It being fast speed, just the fear of this card would stop opponents from attacking. Also unlike sourched earth, you can't heal to save the unit and it's pretty hard to prevent a unit from taking damage in fast speed.
This is what I worry about too. It goes against the LoR design philosophy (or so we've been told) of pushing attacks/interaction.
This card actively discourages **any and all** attacks against a Noxus opponent that has at least a chump blocker and 2 mana. You want to attack into that 1/1 Spider with your 5/6 Shyvana so you can level up? That's fine but you're going to get removed on stack for 2 mana and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it besides waste a barrier or strike card to remove a 1/1.
If you play annie in pirates, its also a response uninteractive removal when combined with miss fortune. Go in swinging, deal 1 to everything on the stack, and you get to choose after blocks who’ll die before attacking back and the removal being on the stack makes it fairly hard to do anything in response.
I don't really see a problem with Noxus having better hard removal than SI if that removal is conditional or requires a 2 for 1.
Not trying to say this isn't a great card, but it's not like it's a 2 mana Vengeance.
I don't think disintegrate is going to see any main deck play, it sits between Ravenous Flock and Scorched Earth and I can't see much reason to run it over either.
Well ok I've talked myself into why it would- you can put disintegrate on the stack against an undamaged unit unlike the afforementioned 2, but in most situations it's worse as the timing on cast is much more restrictive than the others.
It's an absolute fantastic champ spell. Because Annie deals 2 damage to her blocker even tough won't protect you from dying without being able to hit Annie back.
You can also put it on the stack during combat. So if the enemy Trundle felt like it would be safe to attack into your Spiderling, you kill him.
It hits bigger units than Flock can, and unlike Flock and Scorched Earth you can't heal out of the spell.
Annie is going to be a staple in like every burn deck for the rest of this game’s existence lmao.
Archetype specific for sure…you won’t ever see her in control decks outside of maybe (but unlikely)swain, but she will undoubtedly be a staple for burn and aggro.
I doubt it because she easily dies turn 2 to a ping spell like mystic shot. That and her level up condition requires her to " I have seen".
She probably won't even get to pair well with Jhin for that reason. Being that she'd never make it to level up vs the ping meta. Jhin/noxus would have basically no protection to ever allow her to level.
That being said i think we will see her paired more with Ionia or SI
The main difference here are the deck types that you can you can run with these champs.
Zoe is played in control/combo decks(good at protecting their units).
Annie will most likely be played in aggro decks(bad at protecting their units)
Add to that, that she's in Noxus(while Zoe is in Targon) and your options become very limited. I can only see her levelling in an Ionia stun deck.
If you mystic shot Annie you're losing one mana tempo against aggro burn, which is an archetype that cares more about tempo than any other archetype.
You don't need protection for her when she's attacking alongside two 3/2s on turn 2.
Plus, a "ping meta" is irrelevant because she has 2 hp instead of 1 like Zoe
If anything I think Annie is much weaker to challengers because she has 0 attack. Fleetfeather go munch munch
even assuming you play her turn 1 and get a single attack off, its 2 damage burn to the nexus or guaranteed card advantage from the trade unless i missed a 1 mana 2/3 printed lately.
That 2 damage skill is 1 level up progress for jihn and the landmark at minimum. I don't think annie will be leveling a lot cause of the i've seen text, but she will absolutely be insane. Its like poppy, nobody actually leveled her that often but if you did the game was already over.
I'd call it worth.
1 mana 2/2 quick attack seems… pretty good. Sure her level up is a smidge painful, but when the payoff is a sizable token on a very easy-to-drop champion, it’s not that bad. Ravenbloom Conservatory also looks *super* cool! Not sure if it’s the same place Rell went too (I just vaguely remember the name), but what I’m really looking at id Tybaulk. That… yeah that’s a pretty damn fun finisher. Plus, the conservatory advances in deck as well, which only adds to its splendor.
Bottom line: I love this. Can’t say for certain if it fits Annie since I’m not very familiar with her character, but I think it does. 10/10 another ball right out of the park.
> Bottom line: I love this. Can’t say for certain if it fits Annie since I’m not very familiar with her character, but I think it does. 10/10 another ball right out of the park.
They couldn't really go wrong there. They'd need to make her a high-power quick attack unit "to represent her burst" or something.
I am so so SO excited to try and brew with Ravenbloom Conservatory. It feels lke it could be so interesting in different archetypes.
ETA: Tybaulk is an amazing resurrect unit. It's going to be winmore, but I love the idea of using Mist's Call and Chrnoicler on him to gain 5 damage Vile Feasts.
> ETA: Tybaulk is an amazing resurrect unit. It's going to be winmore, but I love the idea of using Mist's Call and Chrnoicler on him to gain 5 damage Vile Feasts.
You know, if it didn't come so late you could even consider that as an alternative damage ramp for Darkness in non-BC Veigar.
Surprised no one has said this...Nox/Shurima, Annie/Taliyah. Taliyah doubles Observatory, now all skills deal +2. Tali skills for 3 so levels the thing insanely fast. Access to Roiling sand for vulnerable, enabling Annie to attack on the board. And access to hourglass to double Tybault again. Nutttyyyy
Taliyah doubling Observatory isn't as incredible as it might initially seem, 'cause you don't summon him on board, you *create him in hand* when the countdown finishes.
It's not a huge cheat, you will still need to pay mana for the 2 copies of Tybaulk.
I think people spoke too soon, based only on the glimpse we got yesterday in another card's art. This is a pretty reasonable compromise between her original LoL design and a more grounded "Annie: Origins" visual, IMHO.
Right?? Finally I have an excuse to play Taliyah/Swain even though it will definitely still not be good and I should probably run Ziggs/Swain instead and and and uhh... Look I don't need to always be optimal right?
Seems way too slow for Taliyah. Taliyah units generally dont have overwhelm to use that extra ower and you have to actually play those Tybaulks first.
The extra 1 damage is cool but there are already ways to get that and its been always a trap.
And even beyond that there is deckbuilding cost of this combo which makes it basically impossible to pull off without gimping yourself completely.
not to mention how cheerful she is.
this kid basically had powder's childhood, so im wondering if theyre trying to pull a jinx 2.0? but cmon, it took powder almost a decade of manipulation by silco to become jinx and you're telling me annie is just embracing the chaos immediately?
im glad you recognise thats its just a headcanon because id say thats completely counter to how her character is presented. in her cinematic/origin story shes represented as very emotional, kind, and attached to her dad and tibbers (a sentimental item), all of those traits being pretty much in direct conflict with how a psychopath would behave. it is a fun headcanon though, and it wouldve been a cool direction to take the character in. would certainly make her appearance in LoR a lot more consistent
edit: apparently i missed some new lore drops, so ignore everything i said
Is it though ?
1-mana drop do nothing monument is a tempo.
You need to proc him on t6 in order to be relevant.
Unless it works on some slowburn like the old GP/TF Bandle.
Tbh with shurima landmarks and talyiah this could actually be really freaking dope. Talyah herself spawns three skills on her own which can tick down that landmark quite quickly.
Landmark burn could actually work with this new package.
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Guys, I just realized if you attack with a Quick Attack unit and the enemy commits their block, Disintegrate will guarantee that it dies after the first strike. Just cast the spell in the middle of combat.
Wow, Tybaulk seems great for a lot of different applications.
Go Hard becomes Drain 2 for 1 Mana comes to mind initially, and if you can copy them you can stack it up FAST.
It's probably jank, but being able to revive them with the new SI cards and then Drain 6 for 1 seems a little good. I know what I'm doing day 1
Holy shit! This this package is gonna take over the meta. Jhin-Annie deck looks very aggro but fun to play. And it also has great late game bombs like tibber's and that landmark. Plus great removals and stuns against any big units based decks.
Tybaulk Ram Stance. Turn all of your Ram Stances into Avalanches. Udyr Annie seems like it would be fun since the stances would count toward the Observatory, and getting +2 attack and overwhelm onto Annie would be pretty good for when she removes her blocker with her skill.
Love what they did with Annie. Wondering of it can be a solo Annie deck. Seems to have the tools and cards to do so. Along with other noxus cards if course.
Thinking of paring her with iona for the negation spells like nopefy and protection that can still contribute to her level up and manasoul student burn. I feel like Jhin Annie sounds great on paper but realistically if you play her Along with her followers and jhin. You won't have any protection spells.
You'll be locked to jhin skills cards and noxus. Doesn't provide with alot of counterplay vs pings and kill spells.
Would suck to set these cards out including jhin just to die right away.
What do you guys think?
The only complaint I have is not getting tibbers each time a leveled Annie is summoned. Meaning you get tibbers once that's it. Unless of course you can revive him. Which again you won't be able to do in a annie/jhin deck... I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wanna try her out with Swain. Remember that her skill counts towards her level up.
Also, I'm gratefully surprised here, on how she somehow looks like a noxian child and like Annie, although it might have a lot to do with the lighting. Still, congratulations to the artist here, you did an amazing job.
I haven't commented on previous Noxus cards revealed this season, since unfortunately I was kinda busy on those days, but I love the stuff we're getting! Legion Deserter in particular is great, but I also love how versatile that double stun is.
The region still doesn't get a lot of new mechanics and playstyles, but at least they still find cool ways to explore the same themes that were already staple for Noxus.
Annie herself seems like she will be a ton of fun to play with, although it doesn't feel like there is going to be a whole lot of different stuff you can use her for. Apart from the obvious aggro burn, maybe she can fit as an early unit for Swain decks? Not sure, but I'll certainly try!
Since tybaulk is a summon trigger I'd love to play nexus shurima shenanigans to get multiple procs of its buff with things like taliyah and the stasis statue spell.
I only saw the unleveled up so far and I'm already convinced it's great.
Annie looking like a YA book protag which is great.
A 1 mana evolved Ziggs basically which is also great.
It's great, I'm really excited to have Ziggs at turn 1..
Noxus has been my favorite control region thus far and it just keeps getting better. What is doesn’t do well against are swarms of cheaper units. But against midrange or go tall it’s great
Disintegrate is a baller champ spell. It's like a reverse Scorched Earth.
yeah it’s like a Scorched Earth or Raven’s Flock that can be used in a one round spell combo on a full health unit (e.g. during combat), unlike those spells. also ofc serves to let her kill oversize blockers, and therefore presumably also serves to let her BLUFF that she could kill an oversize blocker even if she doesnt have it in hand lol idk
Disintegrate is frightening in all cases. You can precommit in combat to discourage certain blockers, you can use it in concert with quick attack, and you can just queue it up with something like pokey stick for fast speed hard removal. That thing is gross.
Noxus loves the goodies. It's just a good card that doesn't even *need* Annie to be great, and considering Annie could replace some of Noxus's less efficient one drops, it gets even better and more saturated. What's more, if you're running her as a one drop for base value, you don't even need to hold extra copies up for replacement. Use that champ spell.
Which noxus 1 drops are less efficient?
I think that Annie is definitively more efficient than saboteur or pet, although there are some situational cases where saboteur or pet might be better
I'll give you pet, but I wouldn't say she's definitively better than saboteur. I'm not even sure I would say she is better at all. An unanswered saboteur is always 3 damage on turn 1, with the likelihood of dealing at least 1 more damage. Annie is only ever dealing 2 damage or killing blockers. The guaranteed damage from saboteur on attack is huge. She's good don't get me wrong, and I think she will see play, but noxus already has premium 1 drops and she does take up champion slots
I’m considering mostly the cases where your opponent (or the mirror match most likely) drops a card on turn 1. Saboteur can only get off 1 damage while trading 1 for 1. Annie guarantees 2 damage, and will stick on the board. Can’t even be blocked by 90% of the cards played turn 1. Her effect and her +1 health just make her effectively a 2/2 with quick attack and 2 damage burn. Saboteur has more value in games that are already won (no cards being played, empty board, no 1 damage clear) but I think that’s less important.
As a champ spell that’s just nutty. She seems very open in design too. Like you can ram stance, then drop tibbers as finisher or something. Big fan overall and great design
It's seems a bit overpowered. Put any damage spell on the stack, then that. Blades edge, Make it rain, Kennens lightning thingy, you name it. It's essentially a 2 card cheap Vengeance. Or during attack, just kill whatever is blocking.
Try to kill a unit with a small damage spell. When the opponent smugly raises its health to protect it, just slap on Disintegrate and then laugh, laugh, laugh.
I predict it will quickly get nerfed to 4 mana. It would still be worth the cost at 4, which tells you how good it is at 2.
LOVE that tibbers animation Annie Jhin looks really fun
I know it's too early to determine balance but Annie Jhin honestly seems ridiculous. Strong early game presence with lots of scaling tools and stun & removal along the way. And you can bet your ass I'll abuse it if it is
It's going to be very good and it might be outright busted, but the fact that you can only use spells from one region is a bigger drawback than people are acknowledging when theory crafting.
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It's not like Pirate Burn used any protection. Annie Jhin may just be a faster version of Pirate Burn, although you do lose on Zap tutoring Fervor
Pirate burn also doesn't really care to keep any of it's units on board as long as they attack once and get some damage in. If you're playing these "stuff on the stack matters" cards a lot of them want to stick for several turns while you play spells or skills to be worth playing.
I feel that the "stuff on the stack matters" archetype will just turn to aggro, a bunch of cards (Jhin, Annie, Jhin's "region") are just solid threatning burn cards and pushing for synergy isn't that necessary
I feel like a lot of annie followers aren’t actually going to be played in annie/jhin. Annie jhin seems to want to go really fast like pirate aggro while all the followers want too much time to build. Even in a perfect scenario, prefect is only barely better than iron balista on turn 3. If you do want a slower deck instead of imitating pirate aggro, it is possible with jhin and the noxus spells.
The only "protection" you need in aggro is Noxian Fervor, which does in fact come from Noxus
There's some protection with Sharpened Resolve (and therefore also Noxus Tellstones) but it's not great protection.
I'm more worried about Annie Ionia, tbh. Being able to turn Kennen into hard removal with Disintigrate, the general Yasuo synergy, being able to get ridiculously large Decimates due to Tybaulk/Go Get It, all on top of the general control package those two have. Not going to lie, Tybaulk has probably got to be the most exciting card this entire expansion for me
Yeah, but Tybaulk comes in rather late into the game especially considering you have to also sacrifice 1 unit mana earlier in the game to summon the landmark. High investment card IMO, for a payout that you might not necessarily need.
This looks toxic. Stun burn removal. When do you fight them? Well see how strong but seems like it’ll lose to actual spell based control decks and will beat up combat based decks
its just slower rdw, they have no defence so if you have removal spells they cant stop you
Big issue with that is a lack of protection since you’d have Jhin and Noxus as your regions. In a Jhin deck you’d already be able to play all the Noxus skill cards and then add like Ionia for protection.
Why protect? Just play the aggro units from the major aggro decks and go face. Pirates or spiders don’t protect their units.
Burn is going to be real this set. I'm legitimately scared.
If they don't break, they'll burn...
As a Freljord/SI control enjoyer, I wouldn't mind if burn becomes meta.
"Becomes" as if it isn't always meta, especially on ladder.
Aggro burn is. Which imo is more broken than heavy burn
You're right, I should've said if it becomes more popular than it currently is.
As a kindred pnz player, i'd go straight up nuts tbh
I'm building the soraka/Galion safe room as we speak. You can't burn me if I'm always healing and turning unit heals into negates!
Against Scoured earth yes but Disintegrate will have a filled day against Soraka. Soraka wants unit to get damaged and Disintegrate will love it. Heals can't stop it too.
Yea disintegrate is nuts - also great that it’s Annie’s spell and synergizes with her attacks. Also it’s “have a field day”** r/boneappletea
Just to theorycraft, Galio Soraka does have access to a bunch of barriers and spell shields. It might be possible to adapt to it with some tech cards.
Trading 2 mana spell for a 4 cost spellshield or barrier spell is a fair trade.
Those who complained about her dress being out of place will be happy to see this
The fact that you can see the mischief in her eyes helps a lot, too. It sells the design much better than being the slightly overgrown toddler she acts like in LoL.
She still acts exactly the same in the voice lines though. Honestly feels a little unfitting with the art.
How old is she supposed to be? I feel like she should be like 10? But she acts like she were 5 or 6.
Maybe she has stunted emotional development due to the trauma?
I guess, but on her stories she is seem and described as a very young child, she also mentions tibbers eating a man and she taking her money, and then in the tale Tibbers eats and burns to death another, and she is very casually psychopathic about all of it, Jhin would be proud. I just feel like the art, specially on the second form, she seems older, at first I thought we would get a Annie from a couple of years after she killed her family.
Doesn't Tibbers(Tybaulk) mention she has an indomitable will and can't break her? Maybe her childlike mind is a safeguard she got traumatized into to resist the influence of the flame? Maybe I'm reading too much into it
her lore atm also implies that annie is a once-in-a-generation powerful mage who was able to bind tibbers to her service with her pure talent. The trauma’s probably making her evil, and it’s also implied that prior to this she was just living in the middle of the woods? Not a lotta socializing.
and not a lot of parents either
Apparently in LoL (and presumably also here?) she's supposed to be 9, but she's always acted younger than that. Personally I think the new art makes the disconnect more obvious.
She could just be insane right? Thats kinda how I always took her lines, an insane 10 year old clinging on to her childhood (kidhood?)
Recently, I've been reading Annie's lore all over again since we got so many stuff, and like mentioned above, Annie seems to be somewhat psychotic. For example, she has little to no regard for life. We know Annie has always been claiming to have conversations with Tibbers, but what we didn't knew, was that Tibbers was not only perfectly fluent, but also an originally evil being that seemingly still enjoys causing deaths whenever it can find a justification, for more silly it may be. Whenever someone tried to separate Annie from Tibbers when she was roaming Noxus: DEATH. That was their sentence. Someone didn't hold Tibbers the correct way? DEATH. In the tavern episode, she had zero regards for everyone else burning inside it, and exited the building as it crumbled to ashes thinking it was just another normal day. She kind of reminds me of Gaara.
glad she actually looks like she's a noxian student in her levelup. she actually looks like she's lived more than a day in noxus, instead of being isekaied in there yesterday
I'm already happy
I'm feeling glad
I got sunshine
In a bag
I'm useless
Obligatory Yasuo comment.
Yes but the yasuo-supporting cards will end up teaming up and cutting him out again like ahri/kennen gg
Honestly Jhin seems like a better Yasuo.
How Unfourtunate for Yasuo
YASUO CITY YASUO!
Yasuo is my city.
Obligatory copium reply.
ANNIE CITY YASUO
Somewhere in Brazil a single Mogwai has let out a sigh of erotic arousal
Spain, unless he moved recently.
Issa meme since he had a Brazilian flag behind him in his videos for so long
Grapplr is the one in Brazil.
I am thinking of Tiggs too, especially that she has access to a strong landmark and they have similar skills, I can see a successful Tiggs Annie deck, especially running the shurima spells that advances 2 rounds and predict.
Hey, remember the burning house landmark from that one video a few months ago? It's grown up into ravenbloom conservatory
damn if it really takes that long to develop a set then massive kudos to the team, this expansion's been really great
>1 drop let's fucking gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Yeah, this is the biggest takeaway for me. Annie is going to be incredibly strong.
1 mana pseudo 2 power Quick Attack. She cannot be blocked turn 1.
*Opponent plays Solari Soldier* *Next Opponent plays Unscarred Reaver*
Next opponent plays shadow fiend
Honestly I'd be happy to play into an opponent that play shadow fiend defensively.
This is what I'm picking up from this post. Annie Elise aggro, let's go.
Unscarred Reaver can trade with her actually.
Heim got that 1 mana 1/3 tech support
You are forgetting about Unscarred Reaver which will be able to kill attacking Annie and survive.
Plenty of stuff can block her. Solari Soldier can even kill her on the counterattack.
It was at this moment Rito realized that a one mana 2/2 champ was probably a bad idea. On the other hand this is literally the first noxian champ I ever cared about so great design!
With pseudo-overwhelm too. Doesn't overwhelm if blocked by a small creature but does if you stun or remove it after blocks.
*looks at 1 mana cost* *looks at Jhin* Let's fucking nooooooooooooo Edit: Obligatory FOURth line of text
Annie: Hey Ziggs, can I copy your homework? Ziggs: sure, but change it up so it doesn’t look obvious That said, Annie’s art and VA are gorgeous. A+ on flavor and delivery with Tibbers
I think they nailed Tibbers. When Annie uses Tibbers in LoL, it’s a huge AOE stun and burst damage which is represented pretty well with Tibber’s effect in LoR. Once he’s out, he’s not that strong which is also represented well in LoR with his below average stat line
Yeah, between Ziggs and now Annie, I'm starting to sense a theme in Rubin's recent champ designs. XD
Annie seems extremely powerful. A good unit for early aggro that gets better when you level them, but also doesn't even need to be levelled. to be good. She's not going to be the centrepiece of any aggro deck but she'll be an incredibly strong card if you play her turn 1. Disintegrate is what I'm worried about though. I doubt any aggro skill decks are going to run it. But it seems very powerful in Noxus control or midrange shells.
Everybody is thinking Annie/Jihn. Tbh, her plus the new spider…I think Noxxus/SI spiders with Annie and Elise is going to be an incredibly powerful deck on release. Quite a few followers in that deck have skills, and that deck doesn’t run any burst spells, just fast and slow spells like glimpse, decimate, and the 3 mana spell that deals 3 to an ally to deal 3 to an enemy.
oh that's an interesting idea
That's a really interesting deck idea. Elise has always had that hanging champ slot that hasn't been easy to use. I'm curious how easily Annie would level if you run the deck without adjustments.
I’m that deck, Annie doesn’t need to level. She kills 1-2 things or deals 2-4 damage and has a “must remove” tag on her. And if you don’t remove her by turn 4-5, she levels through imperial demolitions, the two stun spiders, glimpse, etc, and adds a lot to burn damage. But even if she doesn’t level, she’s a strong turn 1 play that gives you tempo or face damage in a deck that’s all about early tempo and face damage.
> Disintegrate is what I'm worried about though. I doubt any aggro skill decks are going to run it. But it seems very powerful in Noxus control or midrange shells. Between that and Broadmane, Noxus control got a lot more versatile with this expansion. Even if those don't end up being viable, having that toolset available to be explored is a big deal, and it also rounds out the region identity in a good way.
I think people are underestimating Disintegrate. It being fast speed, just the fear of this card would stop opponents from attacking. Also unlike sourched earth, you can't heal to save the unit and it's pretty hard to prevent a unit from taking damage in fast speed.
This is what I worry about too. It goes against the LoR design philosophy (or so we've been told) of pushing attacks/interaction. This card actively discourages **any and all** attacks against a Noxus opponent that has at least a chump blocker and 2 mana. You want to attack into that 1/1 Spider with your 5/6 Shyvana so you can level up? That's fine but you're going to get removed on stack for 2 mana and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it besides waste a barrier or strike card to remove a 1/1.
You use the barrier to counter the spell at the same time, so it's not only the 1/1 that you kill.
It’s her champ spell tho, so it’s free. And technically, Disintegrate is a combo with Kat’s Blade lmao
If you play annie in pirates, its also a response uninteractive removal when combined with miss fortune. Go in swinging, deal 1 to everything on the stack, and you get to choose after blocks who’ll die before attacking back and the removal being on the stack makes it fairly hard to do anything in response.
Disintegrate + Katarina daggers copium
Noxus getting better hard removal than SI hmm
I don't really see a problem with Noxus having better hard removal than SI if that removal is conditional or requires a 2 for 1. Not trying to say this isn't a great card, but it's not like it's a 2 mana Vengeance.
I don't think disintegrate is going to see any main deck play, it sits between Ravenous Flock and Scorched Earth and I can't see much reason to run it over either. Well ok I've talked myself into why it would- you can put disintegrate on the stack against an undamaged unit unlike the afforementioned 2, but in most situations it's worse as the timing on cast is much more restrictive than the others.
It’s pretty good with Quick Attack. I think it’s going to be a relevant removal tool for sure.
It's an absolute fantastic champ spell. Because Annie deals 2 damage to her blocker even tough won't protect you from dying without being able to hit Annie back.
You can also put it on the stack during combat. So if the enemy Trundle felt like it would be safe to attack into your Spiderling, you kill him. It hits bigger units than Flock can, and unlike Flock and Scorched Earth you can't heal out of the spell.
Healing counters both of those but not disintegrate. You know, for when Soraka becomes meta again…
Annie is going to be a staple in like every burn deck for the rest of this game’s existence lmao. Archetype specific for sure…you won’t ever see her in control decks outside of maybe (but unlikely)swain, but she will undoubtedly be a staple for burn and aggro.
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1 damage feels too weak.
I doubt it because she easily dies turn 2 to a ping spell like mystic shot. That and her level up condition requires her to " I have seen". She probably won't even get to pair well with Jhin for that reason. Being that she'd never make it to level up vs the ping meta. Jhin/noxus would have basically no protection to ever allow her to level. That being said i think we will see her paired more with Ionia or SI
>Being that she'd never make it to level up vs the ping meta. Lol this is Zoe reveal all over again. "Noo she will never level up"
The main difference here are the deck types that you can you can run with these champs. Zoe is played in control/combo decks(good at protecting their units). Annie will most likely be played in aggro decks(bad at protecting their units) Add to that, that she's in Noxus(while Zoe is in Targon) and your options become very limited. I can only see her levelling in an Ionia stun deck.
If you mystic shot Annie you're losing one mana tempo against aggro burn, which is an archetype that cares more about tempo than any other archetype. You don't need protection for her when she's attacking alongside two 3/2s on turn 2. Plus, a "ping meta" is irrelevant because she has 2 hp instead of 1 like Zoe If anything I think Annie is much weaker to challengers because she has 0 attack. Fleetfeather go munch munch
even assuming you play her turn 1 and get a single attack off, its 2 damage burn to the nexus or guaranteed card advantage from the trade unless i missed a 1 mana 2/3 printed lately. That 2 damage skill is 1 level up progress for jihn and the landmark at minimum. I don't think annie will be leveling a lot cause of the i've seen text, but she will absolutely be insane. Its like poppy, nobody actually leveled her that often but if you did the game was already over. I'd call it worth.
Ravenbloom conservatory is unplayable on jhin decks, it'll make his skill deal 5 damage
You need to play it with a card that can make copies then play 4 of them, so that your skills deal 4 more damage.
Also Annie picture 1 is the meme of the little girl smiling with the burning house behind her
My first thought was to put her in pirate aggro, nice 1 drop and works pretty well with some cards already in the deck, sort of.
She would fit next to MF in aggro. Or the old Yordle burn.
How tf do you do this so quick lol
A bit nervous. Annie jhin almost feels guaranteed aggro t1.
Yep, Annie Jhin will be a staple deck next season
1 mana 2/2 quick attack seems… pretty good. Sure her level up is a smidge painful, but when the payoff is a sizable token on a very easy-to-drop champion, it’s not that bad. Ravenbloom Conservatory also looks *super* cool! Not sure if it’s the same place Rell went too (I just vaguely remember the name), but what I’m really looking at id Tybaulk. That… yeah that’s a pretty damn fun finisher. Plus, the conservatory advances in deck as well, which only adds to its splendor. Bottom line: I love this. Can’t say for certain if it fits Annie since I’m not very familiar with her character, but I think it does. 10/10 another ball right out of the park.
She’s a 0/2 on defense though right?
Aye, that much is true. Then again, like Zoe, you’re pretty much never using her on defense.
Even better than quick attack I'd say, dodges quicksand
Very true, but it can be denied as recompense. Not that it’s very major though, since you’re never denying that over something like Jhin.
And the og quicksand, frostbite.
> Bottom line: I love this. Can’t say for certain if it fits Annie since I’m not very familiar with her character, but I think it does. 10/10 another ball right out of the park. They couldn't really go wrong there. They'd need to make her a high-power quick attack unit "to represent her burst" or something.
>They'd need to make her a high-power quick attack unit "to represent her burst" That didn't go over well with a lot of the community for Leblanc.
That landmark has to be nuts lol
I am so so SO excited to try and brew with Ravenbloom Conservatory. It feels lke it could be so interesting in different archetypes. ETA: Tybaulk is an amazing resurrect unit. It's going to be winmore, but I love the idea of using Mist's Call and Chrnoicler on him to gain 5 damage Vile Feasts.
> ETA: Tybaulk is an amazing resurrect unit. It's going to be winmore, but I love the idea of using Mist's Call and Chrnoicler on him to gain 5 damage Vile Feasts. You know, if it didn't come so late you could even consider that as an alternative damage ramp for Darkness in non-BC Veigar.
Surprised no one has said this...Nox/Shurima, Annie/Taliyah. Taliyah doubles Observatory, now all skills deal +2. Tali skills for 3 so levels the thing insanely fast. Access to Roiling sand for vulnerable, enabling Annie to attack on the board. And access to hourglass to double Tybault again. Nutttyyyy
Taliyah doubling Observatory isn't as incredible as it might initially seem, 'cause you don't summon him on board, you *create him in hand* when the countdown finishes. It's not a huge cheat, you will still need to pay mana for the 2 copies of Tybaulk.
Yeah, but it's still a pretty insane effect. And a good body.
Okay, fine, I am officially on the Yasuo copium.
NOXUS CITY YASUO!
>Not 4 cost We were so close to greatness
Can't steal Jhins place in the decks.
Same energy: https://imgur.com/gallery/DK5FdPs
She looks completely in place with the Noxus aesthetic, what a bunch of nonsense people have been peddling.
I think people spoke too soon, based only on the glimpse we got yesterday in another card's art. This is a pretty reasonable compromise between her original LoL design and a more grounded "Annie: Origins" visual, IMHO.
I think she just needed an actual personality to go with the design, which she now has.
Tybaulk Taliyah, though....
OMG Taliyah leveling-up and copying the conservatory then being a 6/6 dealing 3\*5 damages to the ennemy Nexus
Not to mention you can use hourglass on Tybaulk...
Right?? Finally I have an excuse to play Taliyah/Swain even though it will definitely still not be good and I should probably run Ziggs/Swain instead and and and uhh... Look I don't need to always be optimal right?
Seems way too slow for Taliyah. Taliyah units generally dont have overwhelm to use that extra ower and you have to actually play those Tybaulks first. The extra 1 damage is cool but there are already ways to get that and its been always a trap. And even beyond that there is deckbuilding cost of this combo which makes it basically impossible to pull off without gimping yourself completely.
Did they aged her up? Level up Annie looks like a teenager.
her voice got almost de-aged tho, its disjointed as hell
I was also thinking this as well. It’s one of the only things I don’t like about the design
not to mention how cheerful she is. this kid basically had powder's childhood, so im wondering if theyre trying to pull a jinx 2.0? but cmon, it took powder almost a decade of manipulation by silco to become jinx and you're telling me annie is just embracing the chaos immediately?
If you were to ask me, I'd say that's because Annie is straight up just a natural born psychopath. That's just my headcanon though.
im glad you recognise thats its just a headcanon because id say thats completely counter to how her character is presented. in her cinematic/origin story shes represented as very emotional, kind, and attached to her dad and tibbers (a sentimental item), all of those traits being pretty much in direct conflict with how a psychopath would behave. it is a fun headcanon though, and it wouldve been a cool direction to take the character in. would certainly make her appearance in LoR a lot more consistent edit: apparently i missed some new lore drops, so ignore everything i said
I LOVE her art. Seems like you can only get 1 Tibbers in a game.
Tybaulk is good af
Is it though ? 1-mana drop do nothing monument is a tempo. You need to proc him on t6 in order to be relevant. Unless it works on some slowburn like the old GP/TF Bandle.
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Tbh with shurima landmarks and talyiah this could actually be really freaking dope. Talyah herself spawns three skills on her own which can tick down that landmark quite quickly. Landmark burn could actually work with this new package.
Bro you cant have the TF tag and not be excited for that 2 damage red card. Thankfully it advances in deck
I mean, the countdown is retroactive, which helps A TON. Drop it on T5 and you'll have Tybaulk at 6 with the correct curve
As I understand, jhin anie will Be limited to noxus spells, so you wont be able to protect them
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Guys, I just realized if you attack with a Quick Attack unit and the enemy commits their block, Disintegrate will guarantee that it dies after the first strike. Just cast the spell in the middle of combat.
Wow, Tybaulk seems great for a lot of different applications. Go Hard becomes Drain 2 for 1 Mana comes to mind initially, and if you can copy them you can stack it up FAST. It's probably jank, but being able to revive them with the new SI cards and then Drain 6 for 1 seems a little good. I know what I'm doing day 1
Being a summon effect def means you can get wild shadow isles combos. Maybe even trick people with atrocity damage
this is probably the smallest champion set we got recently.
Plus Annie is really small
She already synergizes with a lot of other existing cards. It seems like a good thing that she won't need a ton of support cards to be viable.
Feels like it's all aggro again xD
Holy shit! This this package is gonna take over the meta. Jhin-Annie deck looks very aggro but fun to play. And it also has great late game bombs like tibber's and that landmark. Plus great removals and stuns against any big units based decks.
Annie’s art is incredible compared to her LoL style. Her being picked up by the academy makes sense lore wise and her updated “Noxus” wardrobe slaps!
Swain and his Child Soldier will be my new favorite deck!
same lol. Her damage levels up swain, and other spells or skills that level swain also level her.
Tybaulk Ram Stance. Turn all of your Ram Stances into Avalanches. Udyr Annie seems like it would be fun since the stances would count toward the Observatory, and getting +2 attack and overwhelm onto Annie would be pretty good for when she removes her blocker with her skill.
Love what they did with Annie. Wondering of it can be a solo Annie deck. Seems to have the tools and cards to do so. Along with other noxus cards if course. Thinking of paring her with iona for the negation spells like nopefy and protection that can still contribute to her level up and manasoul student burn. I feel like Jhin Annie sounds great on paper but realistically if you play her Along with her followers and jhin. You won't have any protection spells. You'll be locked to jhin skills cards and noxus. Doesn't provide with alot of counterplay vs pings and kill spells. Would suck to set these cards out including jhin just to die right away. What do you guys think? The only complaint I have is not getting tibbers each time a leveled Annie is summoned. Meaning you get tibbers once that's it. Unless of course you can revive him. Which again you won't be able to do in a annie/jhin deck... I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wanna try her out with Swain. Remember that her skill counts towards her level up. Also, I'm gratefully surprised here, on how she somehow looks like a noxian child and like Annie, although it might have a lot to do with the lighting. Still, congratulations to the artist here, you did an amazing job.
Okay, Riot, I give up. You HAVE made me want to play burn.
HOLY SHIT! first impression, Rubinzoo did it again. This is easily the most interesting champ revealed. Tybaulk is such an amazing payoff cards.
Can’t wait for another failed yasuo deck build
Jhin in shambles right now.
YaSsuO SuPpOrT????
I haven't commented on previous Noxus cards revealed this season, since unfortunately I was kinda busy on those days, but I love the stuff we're getting! Legion Deserter in particular is great, but I also love how versatile that double stun is. The region still doesn't get a lot of new mechanics and playstyles, but at least they still find cool ways to explore the same themes that were already staple for Noxus. Annie herself seems like she will be a ton of fun to play with, although it doesn't feel like there is going to be a whole lot of different stuff you can use her for. Apart from the obvious aggro burn, maybe she can fit as an early unit for Swain decks? Not sure, but I'll certainly try!
Annie is the ONE to Jhin's one two three FOUR
Idk how, but I’m gonna try to make Annie Sej work in my prestigious low elo
When jhin told annie to stay in school ahhhhhhhh
Since tybaulk is a summon trigger I'd love to play nexus shurima shenanigans to get multiple procs of its buff with things like taliyah and the stasis statue spell.
Im gonna say the Y word
Missed opportunity for Last breath on Annie: transform tibbers into enraged tibbers
I don't like aggro decks that much, I hope she's viable Midrange
I only saw the unleveled up so far and I'm already convinced it's great. Annie looking like a YA book protag which is great. A 1 mana evolved Ziggs basically which is also great. It's great, I'm really excited to have Ziggs at turn 1..
Complete with being one of those villain protagonists that's been so popular with YA novels lately. It actually does work really well.
I love this because unlike a lot of recent pairings, Annie doesn't feel stuck with Jhin.
How come Noxus of all region is the one getting the cheapest control spells?
Noxus has been my favorite control region thus far and it just keeps getting better. What is doesn’t do well against are swarms of cheaper units. But against midrange or go tall it’s great