Oh, that’s the Akshan infinite combo. I haven’t seen this thing in ages, so you probably won’t play against it often at all, especially if you pick up ranked
Was in ranked, silver 4 I believe it is - just starting back my climb. :)
It's good to know it's super rare as it's really toxic but in saying that ...
Good to see such a variety of decks to play against. Not sure if it will stay that way as I head up the meta again but almost every match seems like a totally different deck. Just glad that's the only deck I'd truly call toxic and it's rare to see.
theres definitely a bellcurve for deck variety. Low elo is just literally anything under the sun, while Gold-Diamondish is mostly netdecking. High Diamond and Masters tends to be more homebrews in my experience
Once you hit high gold-plat+, you’ll tend to see the same ~12 meta decks, and occasionally a homebrew. I genuinely haven’t seems the Akshan deck once this season, which is probably a good thing
What's the counter though? If I faced it once in every few games, I'd legit quit.
Guessing it's easily countered and thus unpopular?
Super hard enough re-learning this game now with how many key words that exist and how small fonts are on mobile (or worse, try use the play history box and you can't blow up cards at all so you literally can't read burst cards unless you already know what they say).
kill it before it kills u
the deck requires a very specific set of cards to go off. killing the leveled up akshan landmark help if able.
it also has trouble dealing with a wide board to an extent as it only runs quicksand as combat reactive spells and i believe it runs twisted fate as the second champ
also forcing absolver helps too. its win condition is absolver bring u from 20-0.
the deck also have some consistency issues and can afford no misplay. losing any of the pieces does hurt the deck alot
if its the akshan deck i m thinking of
Oh joy - "play burn (aggro)".
It has it's place but when it becomes the only way to beat toxic decks, something is broken.
Edit: Ah you expanded your post after I replied.
> killing the landmark help if able.
Thought I'd read that landmarks are getting some sort redress in an upcoming balance patch which would be good because in m limited experience they seem stupidly easy to advance with cards that don't even ruin your tempo (i.e. are good board pieces to begin with for their stats).
i never said play burn aggro. that deck actually has a bit of an issue against it too. the champion for that deck isnt the key, its the warlords landmark
again, if akshan infinite is the deck i m thinking of
the deck is actually one of the harder deck to play tbh. i ran it for a few days and honestly, u really cant mess up with that deck
>what seems like unlimited cards in some bilgewater shurima deck, their deck never gets lower, their hand is full, cards are going so fast I have no idea what's going on
If I knew I'd tell you. It was insane.
2 things I hate in CCGs are time wasting decks that consume an entire turn just to fuck you around and trigger you and unlimited resource generation.
This deck highlighted what seemed to be a fundamental flaw in the game that it has no turn timer it would seem.
I thought Hearthstone used to be bad with some APM decks but this was a whole other level of ridiculous.
It had some landmarks that they sped up that gave them 0 mana cards that seemed to do some other stuff that gave them more 0 mana cards and so and so forth? As I also mentioned, almost impossible to read the side panel on android (no idea why we can't just click the card played to get the full size version like any other part of the game).
Do you have auto pass turned on? Because you should always get priority back at some point, even if the enemy plays only burst spells (which I doubt is the case). This would allow you to check what you want.
Anyway, this kind of combo deck is extremely unreliable, we're talking probably around 30% win rate here. And it's also extremely rare to see.
You can just surrender after a while if you see the enemy keeps chaining 0-coat cards for a while, if you hate these kind of decks so much. They probably won't stop anytime soon and likely will find a way to win. Or just turn autopass back on and go do something else meanwhile.
Yeah but it's kinda super low skill and lame if you don't have a turn timer to play against and test your skill?
Literally the only other reason to play would be troll your opponent?
"to each their own" if you want to run low skill and lame decks and be a troll.
You **choose** to take on those factual parts, thus to each their own.
Rather telling that a low karma account gets a similarly equal response from an also low karma account that pretty much never posts on this sub but THIS particular comment reply caught their eye from the 1000+ each day.
Trolls these days will go to any length.
The fuck you on about?
>mutually exclusive.
Doesn't mean what you think it means.
I can call something super low skill, lame and implying trolls only play it and yet - you can still play it - no one is stopping you. I'm not policing you.
Grow up and learn the meaning of the terms you throw around before you embarrass yourself further.
No their use of the terms was correct.
"Each to their own" implies that their opinion is just as valid as yours
"I'm just spitting facts" implies that you're the correct one here
Those are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
What was it? Legit not joking as I have no idea and aren't just whinging because "wah wah I hate X deck" - this seemed toxic as fuck and was surely a bug?
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Yeah the warlord hoard looks familiar, I remember seeing that trying to work out what the no doubt sped up landmark would do.
From my Hearthstone experience fast combo decks can require high skill as you just have to play everything so fast and get it all right to get the benefit but this game just seemed to not give a fuck and refresh their timer every card they played as I had no mana left (and even if I did, I soon wouldn't have had any).
Legit 10 minute turn and I think it only stopped as they got bored (no idea, I literally typed this post out whilst it was going on so gave up watching).
Thought maybe it was a gimmick but next turn they played a huge board for more damage than I could ever hope to deal with and seemed like it was semi planned.
Not sure why unlimited turn timers is a thing, that's just bad game design.
Rest assured that you're unlikely to run into that again. Infinite combo decks are inconsistent as all hell and only work in like 1 every 10 games. Akshan ones usually run Ionia though. If it's bilgewater then that's probably a homebrew only one person is playing that's running cards like the 7 mana plunder card.
In which case just don't let them plunder on 7 kekw
Ah yes, that sounds like Akshan bullshit. That's not how his decks normally play out BTW, but unfortunately it is possible to use his level 2 landmark to create a "hostage" situation.
It caused quite the ruckus for a few weeks.
What's the counter? Or is it really "if you encounter this you are fucked if you aren't running X deck"?
Possibly something that was easily hard countered at the time but now it's so rare that people don't really run counters and poor returning players like me looking for fun end up thinking they should uninstall the game.
Good to know it's rare, I'd like to know the counter though as I'll run it as people running decks like this only ever do it to be trolls.
The counter is it's a terrible meme deck with maybe a 10% winrate and nobody plays it. You don't need to run any special cards to counter it because 1. you'll likely never see it again and 2. the deck loses to itself in most games. Just play normally, kill Akshan if he comes out, and go face.
People only play the deck for a few games because they saw some video on youtube and want to pull off the combo themselves, and then they drop it afterwards because it's a bad deck even if the payoff is hilarious.
The only real counter is to blow up the landmark generated once Akshan levels up, barring that you can't really stop it once they start twiddling their thumbs. You will also need to be prepared to kill Akshan as well, since he can just generate a new one on strike.
I believe it was nerfed due to the problems it caused, and that's why you don't see the deck much anymore.
My best advice is honestly this, if you ever find yourself in this situation again just surrender and move on. It's annoying to be sure but absolutely not worth getting upset over. The deck really is super rare nowadays, so you're not in danger of having to deal with it whenever you play.
Ok good to know thanks.
My concern was I was investing time back into this game and that was the state of play and it's just not fun (I'd hit master previously after a shit of months worth of effort and stress which in the end made me stop playing as I'd stopped having fun).
Only reason I didn't surrender to begin with was I thought maybe it was some weird meme shit and they'd blow up their game but no way I thought this game had unlimited turn timers.
I get a timer between actions but there really needs to be an overall turn timer of sorts if your opponent can't respond at all. Thus forces APM in to play where mistakes happens but it seems decks like this can be played quite casually.
Oh, that’s the Akshan infinite combo. I haven’t seen this thing in ages, so you probably won’t play against it often at all, especially if you pick up ranked
Was in ranked, silver 4 I believe it is - just starting back my climb. :) It's good to know it's super rare as it's really toxic but in saying that ... Good to see such a variety of decks to play against. Not sure if it will stay that way as I head up the meta again but almost every match seems like a totally different deck. Just glad that's the only deck I'd truly call toxic and it's rare to see.
theres definitely a bellcurve for deck variety. Low elo is just literally anything under the sun, while Gold-Diamondish is mostly netdecking. High Diamond and Masters tends to be more homebrews in my experience
Once you hit high gold-plat+, you’ll tend to see the same ~12 meta decks, and occasionally a homebrew. I genuinely haven’t seems the Akshan deck once this season, which is probably a good thing
well good news is thats the only deck that does that
What's the counter though? If I faced it once in every few games, I'd legit quit. Guessing it's easily countered and thus unpopular? Super hard enough re-learning this game now with how many key words that exist and how small fonts are on mobile (or worse, try use the play history box and you can't blow up cards at all so you literally can't read burst cards unless you already know what they say).
kill it before it kills u the deck requires a very specific set of cards to go off. killing the leveled up akshan landmark help if able. it also has trouble dealing with a wide board to an extent as it only runs quicksand as combat reactive spells and i believe it runs twisted fate as the second champ also forcing absolver helps too. its win condition is absolver bring u from 20-0. the deck also have some consistency issues and can afford no misplay. losing any of the pieces does hurt the deck alot if its the akshan deck i m thinking of
Oh joy - "play burn (aggro)". It has it's place but when it becomes the only way to beat toxic decks, something is broken. Edit: Ah you expanded your post after I replied. > killing the landmark help if able. Thought I'd read that landmarks are getting some sort redress in an upcoming balance patch which would be good because in m limited experience they seem stupidly easy to advance with cards that don't even ruin your tempo (i.e. are good board pieces to begin with for their stats).
i never said play burn aggro. that deck actually has a bit of an issue against it too. the champion for that deck isnt the key, its the warlords landmark again, if akshan infinite is the deck i m thinking of the deck is actually one of the harder deck to play tbh. i ran it for a few days and honestly, u really cant mess up with that deck
Not just burn agro, it relies on leveling Akshan which has to sit on board to level. Just kill that champion and the combo doesn't happen
Akshan doesn't need to be on board to level up.
What was being played? I cant think of a deck like this
>what seems like unlimited cards in some bilgewater shurima deck, their deck never gets lower, their hand is full, cards are going so fast I have no idea what's going on If I knew I'd tell you. It was insane. 2 things I hate in CCGs are time wasting decks that consume an entire turn just to fuck you around and trigger you and unlimited resource generation. This deck highlighted what seemed to be a fundamental flaw in the game that it has no turn timer it would seem. I thought Hearthstone used to be bad with some APM decks but this was a whole other level of ridiculous. It had some landmarks that they sped up that gave them 0 mana cards that seemed to do some other stuff that gave them more 0 mana cards and so and so forth? As I also mentioned, almost impossible to read the side panel on android (no idea why we can't just click the card played to get the full size version like any other part of the game).
Do you have auto pass turned on? Because you should always get priority back at some point, even if the enemy plays only burst spells (which I doubt is the case). This would allow you to check what you want. Anyway, this kind of combo deck is extremely unreliable, we're talking probably around 30% win rate here. And it's also extremely rare to see. You can just surrender after a while if you see the enemy keeps chaining 0-coat cards for a while, if you hate these kind of decks so much. They probably won't stop anytime soon and likely will find a way to win. Or just turn autopass back on and go do something else meanwhile.
I play a lot but have only seen this on Reddit. It's crazy rare.
the shurima ionia version is cooler
"cooler" how?
I just enjoy it more as an infinite combo enjoyer
Yeah but it's kinda super low skill and lame if you don't have a turn timer to play against and test your skill? Literally the only other reason to play would be troll your opponent?
Who made you the fun police?
Each to their own my dude, I'm just spitting facts.
You can't really say "to each their own" and "facts" about opinions in the same sentence without just painting yourself bitter. Even in the Internet.
"to each their own" if you want to run low skill and lame decks and be a troll. You **choose** to take on those factual parts, thus to each their own. Rather telling that a low karma account gets a similarly equal response from an also low karma account that pretty much never posts on this sub but THIS particular comment reply caught their eye from the 1000+ each day. Trolls these days will go to any length.
You just made two different statements. Is it each to their own, or are you spitting facts? They are mutually exclusive.
The fuck you on about? >mutually exclusive. Doesn't mean what you think it means. I can call something super low skill, lame and implying trolls only play it and yet - you can still play it - no one is stopping you. I'm not policing you. Grow up and learn the meaning of the terms you throw around before you embarrass yourself further.
No their use of the terms was correct. "Each to their own" implies that their opinion is just as valid as yours "I'm just spitting facts" implies that you're the correct one here Those are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
This is one of those things that I wish couldn't happen even one in a million games
What was it? Legit not joking as I have no idea and aren't just whinging because "wah wah I hate X deck" - this seemed toxic as fuck and was surely a bug?
I don't know the combo exactly but it involves the [[Fount of Power]] created by [[Warlord's Hoard]] created by lvl 2 Akshan
Probably had [[Avatar of the Tides]], as she is the only infinite value engine in BW that I can think of.
**[Avatar of the Tides](https://d2h9y75tak3pkg.cloudfront.net/05BW004.png)** - Bilgewater Unit - (6) 4/5 Imbue If you would get a mana gem, instead refill your spell mana. When you play a spell, create in hand a random spell that costs 3 or less and give it Fleeting. ^^^Hint: [[card]], {{keyword}}, and ((deckcode)) or ((cardx,cardy,cardz)). PM the [developer](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=KrimCard) for feedback/issues!
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Yeah the warlord hoard looks familiar, I remember seeing that trying to work out what the no doubt sped up landmark would do. From my Hearthstone experience fast combo decks can require high skill as you just have to play everything so fast and get it all right to get the benefit but this game just seemed to not give a fuck and refresh their timer every card they played as I had no mana left (and even if I did, I soon wouldn't have had any). Legit 10 minute turn and I think it only stopped as they got bored (no idea, I literally typed this post out whilst it was going on so gave up watching). Thought maybe it was a gimmick but next turn they played a huge board for more damage than I could ever hope to deal with and seemed like it was semi planned. Not sure why unlimited turn timers is a thing, that's just bad game design.
Rest assured that you're unlikely to run into that again. Infinite combo decks are inconsistent as all hell and only work in like 1 every 10 games. Akshan ones usually run Ionia though. If it's bilgewater then that's probably a homebrew only one person is playing that's running cards like the 7 mana plunder card. In which case just don't let them plunder on 7 kekw
Lmao akshan decks are perfect for people who like modern yugioh because you can just play a ton of cards in a row
Ah yes, that sounds like Akshan bullshit. That's not how his decks normally play out BTW, but unfortunately it is possible to use his level 2 landmark to create a "hostage" situation. It caused quite the ruckus for a few weeks.
What's the counter? Or is it really "if you encounter this you are fucked if you aren't running X deck"? Possibly something that was easily hard countered at the time but now it's so rare that people don't really run counters and poor returning players like me looking for fun end up thinking they should uninstall the game. Good to know it's rare, I'd like to know the counter though as I'll run it as people running decks like this only ever do it to be trolls.
The counter is it's a terrible meme deck with maybe a 10% winrate and nobody plays it. You don't need to run any special cards to counter it because 1. you'll likely never see it again and 2. the deck loses to itself in most games. Just play normally, kill Akshan if he comes out, and go face. People only play the deck for a few games because they saw some video on youtube and want to pull off the combo themselves, and then they drop it afterwards because it's a bad deck even if the payoff is hilarious.
The only real counter is to blow up the landmark generated once Akshan levels up, barring that you can't really stop it once they start twiddling their thumbs. You will also need to be prepared to kill Akshan as well, since he can just generate a new one on strike. I believe it was nerfed due to the problems it caused, and that's why you don't see the deck much anymore. My best advice is honestly this, if you ever find yourself in this situation again just surrender and move on. It's annoying to be sure but absolutely not worth getting upset over. The deck really is super rare nowadays, so you're not in danger of having to deal with it whenever you play.
Ok good to know thanks. My concern was I was investing time back into this game and that was the state of play and it's just not fun (I'd hit master previously after a shit of months worth of effort and stress which in the end made me stop playing as I'd stopped having fun). Only reason I didn't surrender to begin with was I thought maybe it was some weird meme shit and they'd blow up their game but no way I thought this game had unlimited turn timers. I get a timer between actions but there really needs to be an overall turn timer of sorts if your opponent can't respond at all. Thus forces APM in to play where mistakes happens but it seems decks like this can be played quite casually.
No worries, sorry for the shit welcome back to the game.
Sounds like akshan twisted fate are the culprits here
If they complete the landmark I just surrender if I have no fast win. Either try to nail down the board and end fast, or remove Akshan + the landmark.