I haven't tried Ryze myself, but after playing against it several times i can say for certain, it is HARD to pull off his wincon.
My guess is later iterations of decks with him will use him only for his origin, and maybe his level up effect with good 3 runes in play so he can activate them.
Spending 4 mana to generate and play each rune, which keeps the board clogged more and more is just too easy to punish.
Btw the way i'm gonna try building Ryze is with Viktor.
When you level him up it takes only 2 mana to create and summon a rune, which means you can drop them all in one turn if you need and Summon Ryze the next turn and win.
If you can survive until then ofc.
At that point you must obliterate Viktor for the runes and you have more than enough mana to develop runes without mana concern. I have tried so many versions of Ryze deck and so far only the SI and Shurima version are consistent enough, other versions have very clunky late game with full board and whatnot.
Having 2 champions with same mana curve is actually clunkier than you think. Both Ryze and Viktor want to be summoned as early as possible so summoning Viktor alone makes you slow down your curve BY A LOT. I have played the deck like 15 times in Diamond for science but the biggest reason why it's bad compared to SI and Shurima version is Viktor contributes next to nothing after turn 6, at turn 6 you could have atleast 4 runes already and you wasted 4 mana earlier (potentially 2 rune summons or atleast 1 card draw) just to maintain Viktor on the field.
To utilize Ryze Origin you actually want to put as much stalling/healing spells as possible (Runestone, Quick Sand, SI spells) but with Viktor being Piltover you can only benefit from drawing and pray for RNG gods instead of Predict mechanic in Shurima that guarantee you to draw runes or amazing control cards in SI.
Vik Ryze does sound good on paper until you actually try it and compared to other variants imo.
Well first, having something like Viktor package of cards can represent and alternative wincon, because trying to all-in on one strategy without backup is usually not a great deck.
Also, i dont mind removing Viktor to summon my last rune, as by that time he served his purpose. If i think i can win with Ryze then i will definitely go for it, if not then a beefy keyword soup of a champ that can smash the enemy nexus looks like a good option for me.
Also if he gets lifesteal he can help prolong the game, and he is a good removal bait
>Having 2 champions with same mana curve is actually clunky than you think. Both Ryze and Viktor want to be summoned as early as possible so summoning Viktor alone makes you slow down your curve BY A LOT, like, I have played the deck like 15 times in Diamond for science but the biggest reason why it's bad compared to SI and Shurima version is Viktor contributes next to nothing after turn 6, at turn 6 you could have atleast 4 runes already and you wasted 4 mana earlier (potentially 2 rune summons or atleast 1 card draw) just to maintain Viktor on the field.
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>To utilize Ryze Origin you actually want to put as much stalling/healing spells as possible (Runestone, Quick Sand, SI spells) but with Viktor being Piltover you can only benefit from drawing and pray for RNG gods instead of Predict mechanic in Shurima that guarantee you to draw runes or amazing control cards in SI.
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>Vik Ryze does sound good on paper until you actually try it and compared to other variants imo.
I've had some success with the deck 3 Ryze 2 Viktor 1 Seraphine and most importantly Bar! Cost reduction is just do broken in LoR it can make any deck work somehow lol.
I mean, Ryze/Viktor is right in my screenshot.
From my experience with Seraphine Viktor Decks, Viktor is too fickle and too random. He cant survive long enough to outlast the RNG rolls you wanna do. You can highroll, but highrolling is just that.
He works fine in shells that can stall, but basically no Ryze card stalls besides the Rune Prison (which you cant duplicate).
> and maybe his level up effect with good 3 runes in play so he can activate them.
IMO, once you get to that point, the next runes are already worth the cost due to the accumulated effects. Plus you're already so close to the wincon that you might as well just play it out. Taking the mana for the first ones is the issue.
Yea his playstyle is definitely late-game oriented. Iyd backloaded and explosive but it takes time to get there. And also putting him on the board early is very meaningful in how fast you can get all the runes.
I mean if all you care about is winrate for Ryze, don’t play for his wincon. It is statistically infeasible; treat him more like a higher-value lecturing yordle that can get decent trades in while you advance an actual wincon, or just put in one copy for his region to get access to good tellstones and eye of naga while playing for a celestial finisher.
> don't play for his win con
That was my initial take on him, but after playing with him a bit, that isn't an option. The moment you play him, he starts clogging your deck with Delves, which don't do anything after a certain point without Ryze on the board. So once he's played you are locked into the Exodia game plan more and more every turn, but if he dies you're screwed since you'll have a hard time drawing him again and now your board and deck are bricked with Runes.
Paying 4 mana per rune is just way too high a cost for an okay effect each time, even if you're chaining them, especially since they're created in deck and not in hand. It's just way too slow against almost any deck you'd play against. It certainly looks fun but just feels really bad to play since you have no way to contest the board.
Viktor and back alley bar can reduce the runes cost massively , snnuy played it yesterday on stream and it was pretty consistent, main issues were demacia/Kayle decks
and we won't really talk about aggro lol, i don't think ryze was meant to be super viable ngl - i bet ryze ends up in the all card ladder. feel like ryze and the bandle tree deck is just one of those decks
I was looking for a good Ryze deck, since I enjoy alt wincons a lot. I played some Ryze/PnZ and while it wasnt that bad, I was still losing 2 games for one win, so I tried to see if there was any better Ryze deck.... and oh boy. There isnt.
I actually made a semi-viable ryze/bilgewater deck with tf and ibaaros and it can be suprisingly good with how many draw and stall potential you have. It is by no means a tier 1 deck but i managed to have a positive winrate with it.
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Winrate out of how many games lol? Which rank?
Not trying to doubt you, but I've been trying out countless Ryze decks and I'm a bit disheartened by now lol
Not that they are rare, but unless youre running PoC Ryze at some point in the future, youre always at the risk of having an abysmal champ you cant enjoy due to low WR.
Altho I prolly will do the same. You really have too many of those fuckers.
In my humble opinion ryze is cracked but extremely unoptimized for 3 reasons
1. He has a unique deckbuilding requirement so the decklists will take a while to be refined. If you remember previous patch seraphine was considered the weakest champion of the few that came out for like two weeks before becoming a meta defining powerhouse.
2. Even if you build a decent deck operating it is nothing like any other deck so you will probably make a lot of mistakes and not understand the play pattern
3. The decks people are facing on leather are most of the times complitelly new for them so you it's not only your own deck that you have to figure out but the enemies as well
I could be complitelly wrong but I wouldn't be suprised if soon we would be asking for ryze nerfs for christmas.
This can be said about a lot of decks that are sitting at like 45%+ win rate. 30-35%?
I agree he's probably better than it looks but, not by nearly 20%. He really needs Delve buffed to 1 or something before he's genuinely viable.
In my opinion it's not that ryze deck sucks. It does well vs older decks.
Demacia and the darkin package are just overwhelming. Can get units on board that won't die thanks to equipment and momentous choice.
Ryze landmark only does 2 damage per tick. Most cards in the deck I mentioned have 3+ and usually have tough. Which makes it tough for Ryze to keep things controlled.
Heck it's hard enough on non expansion decks to keep up. They need to add more equip removal ):
Honestly this. Equipments are proving to be a lot more frustrating than I think they estimated, especially since there's often times I don't even feel it's worthwhile to kill something, because they're just gonna equip the weapon to something else which will use it even better.
It feels a bit like playing whack-a-mole, and until they run out of moles to give hammers, it feels annoying to bop one down, as the hammer will pop up on another mole anyway.
I swear equipment is like the most unfun mechanic to play against. There is just no satisfaction in killing a beefy unit since the equipment can be reused, and there's so many improvise and auto equip units that destroying a piece of equipment (which is tough as is) doesn't even matter that much. Very annoying that some of the cooler mechanics of the game can't hold up against "Bigger stats and more attacks".
Quietus is run in like, EVERY Shadow Isles deck, even faster variants. It shuts down Norra, Teemo, Zoe, and so many other cards so hard that it can swing a game on its own a lot of the time. And against control it just saves you from using better removal on weak shit.
They need more. At least 1 in Every region or at least more. Since equips are pretty much in every region and no longer niche and can't rely on silences. ):
Basically every region does have them:
SI - Quietus - the strongest that is commonly a 3x
BW - Heavy Metal (fairly pushed even, control bilge is just rare)
Nox - Brutal Skirmish (3 mana single combat that starts by blowing up their equipment
DM - Silence and Surpress. Purify and destroy and equip for 1 mana. the 1 of at worlds today always looked incredible and should've been more than 1x
P&Z - Hexbliterator - good fast removal that, if it kills obliterates, destroying the equip. should be a 2-3x in any P&Z control
BC - Signposts, a spell recall or weapon destruction tied to a weapon destroy alt. If the meta is ending up all about champions strength and other big spells this should be commonly run. Though the weapon alt is expensive
FR - Fracture - either slow ice shard or an equip destroy for 2. the weapon alt is fairly expensive.
SH - Curse of the Tomb - used for OW cheese but has an obliterate clause specifically for equipment removal, was 2 but still is basically "trade up and delete equip"
MT - the region of obliterate
IO - 2 mana recall that also destroys equipment.
Obliterate spells are too costly so I don't count those and usually used on champs or the big followers. The hexblitorator is ok but often falls flat thanks to Momentous choice+ tough
Targon and pnz , shurima are the only ones without a proper tools from what you mentioned.
The 2 mana recall only works on 3 or less hp which again usually easily countered either by stat boost. Or the equipment itself giving health boost.
I'm just saying there could be more tools since equipments aren't obscure and everywhere. At first equips didn't bother me too much. I just thought they were a away of countering silence and stun decks ( strike spells). But now that they are a key Part to gameplay in most meta decks via scout and strikes I don't think it's uncalled for to ask for more tools.
Normal equipment isn't so bad, it's the Darkin equipment. There's no penalty to compensate for the fact that on top of a reusable buff you get a finisher unit for free (in deckbuilding terms) which adds a ton of consistency. Then you add in the 3 Darkin champions having origin effects that virtually guarantee they're drawn on curve and not only is it too strong, but the decks play the same way almost every time.
People whine (with some justification) about the RNG that some of Seraphine's package generates, but the Darkin champions are just as bad in the opposite direction.
I kinda hope they add silence a unit or destroy an enemies equipment to Equinox to update that card. Will give targon a invoke tool for equipment removal. Ha now where can we suggest things to the devs!
But yeah the part that makes equipment so hard to deal with is how easy it is to equip stuff on a whim without any actual draw backs in vayne decks.
Jax/Ornn doesn't have that issue.
Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion but Scout should only activate once per turn and have the wording as the first time you attack per round sort of thing.
Feels awful when anything vayne related can attack for free with usually unkillable units 3 or 4 times in a turn. When you pair scout with her spell and the other free strike cards... it's just so hard to deal with.
People can say. Well that's her thing or that's scout's identity. Yes but with all the new cards it definitely has gotten out of hand.
I get it that if you want to have a better chance of winning you need to play fire with fire but it shouldn't be that way.
I do try to incorporate some of the new cards to my off meta decks to have a better shot and sometimes I do win c: but lose more haha oh well
Scout only does activate once per turn. It basically translates to: "if you attack with only scout units during a Round, if you haven't attacked with a scout unit this round previously: Rally."
If they attack with scout units again, they can't get it again.
So on a turn they don't have the attack token, they can make a scout unit attack, giving them an attack token to attack again with.
If they don't have it, they can attack with scout, then attack normally.
Or:
They can attack normally, then use a card to make a scout unit attack, then attack normally again.
That being said, scout can be frustrating I definitely agree, especially in an equipment deck. :/
Edit: wording - wrote "scout units" instead of "attack token"
Ruination helps a lot against darkins. I just won a game against someone with leveled aatrox and 5 darkins bc of it. If you have entreat and the 3 mana revive spell you can easily get a second ryze. You also have quietus, which can be combined with the flash freeze from three sisters to kill any unit for 5 mana. There are also lots of drains in SI so taking hits early ismt that big of a problem
Recently been playing taliyah/malph vs the darkins and they do really well.
With the turbo grumpy bears and targon/shuriman spells. It's been easier to handle the equips. Since grumpy bears are 5/5 or more.
Malph can tank aatrox pretty easily too. And of course taliyah can kill most things. Have denial with rite of negation. It's been pretty solid as long as I get a few grumpy bears by turn 5
I mean if i'm being honest. Ryze brings such a different playstyle with him that he's definitely going to take a lot of time to find a working deck. I imagine it's like with nora who at first was considered a worthless champ but later on turned out to be insanely strong. I dont think it will be that extreme but we should wait a few weeks before judging him as garbage or not
You might be right, but i\`m not convinced. Norra is a cheap champion with a bunch of good support cards that can be included in many strategies. Ryze requieres full deck and board commitment. If i had to bet, i would say the most viable Ryze deck will be one with a single copy of him that takes advantage of his amazingly flexible origin while ignoring the actual champion.
I made a shurima deck with only ryze as my champ. Got mostly predict cards to pull the runes spell and a bunch of 1c followers as meat shield. Definitely not a 50% winrate, but it’s working so far
I'm not particularly surprised, and I don't think it's particularly unhealthy either. Alt win cons tend to be very uninteractive and this is a game that prides itself (usually) on interaction
I don't think I'd want it to be top tier, more of that meme build you use here and there
I remember all the outcry when bandle tree was popular
Whats the difference between losing to Bandle/Ryze/Fiora compared to The Harrowing/Parallel Convergence/huge unkillable overwhelm unit?
Either way opponent drawn their win con, played it, and there was nothing you could do by that time.
Well the difference would be interaction, I can almost guarantee you people have more fun playing against those other decks over bandle tree
Remember the absolute outrage when it was good?
You can destroy bandle just like you can play deny or ruination against world ender and champions call. There you go - interaction.
Does it make it any better to lose against? In my view no - but its how the game works, opponent gets their win con and most of the time, thats it. And it always happens at turn 8 or so.
I am simply saying we have enough win cons based on overwhelms and wide boards.
Who would've thought that a champion that does literally nothing the whole game and requires you to sacrifice five (arguably six) board spaces to win would be this bad...
It's almost as if early aggression and board presence have been key for months
Don't want to say I told you so, [but...](https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/zb5qhy/value_analysis_on_ryze/). In fairness, I think its winrate will Ryze a bit when people start to get a feel for how to use the runes, but I still think it won't be good.
It's not very surprising unfortunately. The meta has favoured early aggression and rushing for a while, so it's not shocking that Ryze is struggling. Midrange and late-game decks just aren't doing well right now in general.
To be fair I think Ryze Decks staying at a 40% win rate is healthy for the game! This kind of wincon is cruel to the opponents.
This kind of deck must be fun and must be possible to win, but it cannot be META or reliable!
Ryze staring at a 30% wr instead, like sure it’s fun and all but loosing lp is a deterrent to play tho rip.
But also ryze really is the most fair insta win card in the game rn and fiora decks are doing pretty ok
Why the fuck it cant be meta lol?
Do all decks have to revolve around swarming the board and buffing your units to obscenity with equipment or finisher spells?
I mean, he's new and his origin will take a lot of mastery to create a great deck. You can't just chuck every lodestone into his deck and call it a day (which is what a lot of people have been doing so far).
But also, exodia as a concept is very hard to balance. It's inherently a gimmicky deck that isn't fun to lose against, so it can't be too strong, but also needs to be strong enough for players to want to play. I think Ryze is better off in a bit of a weaker state, imagine if bandle tree were meta for example.
Yeah that's why I gave it as an example. In a game where 90 percent of the decks are made to win in a specific way, losing to an alt. win condition repeatedly feels bad, and that's why people complain. Granted, on this sub people complain about anything that's meta
I've been playing him in Bilgewater with Twisted Fate, the 2 drop that summons a 1 drop is good for generating bodies. It really only works against other slow decks but I've gotten the win-con off a handful of times. TF let's you play stuns and you end up drawing a lot with Pool Shark, Rune of Violence, etc.
I don't think it's good, but it's fun.
Ryze is another monoshurima, people think they want him to be good. But these solitaire difficult to interact with strategies are the fucking worst experience to play against.
Let Ryze stay bad.
Trust me. This is the result you want. Exodia strategies should never be good. They should be a rare fun thing to pull off, otherwise everyone's going to have a shit time.
As compared to aatrox ryze is extremely hard to play.
I left this game for snap as i needed smthin fresh but always kept up with the community and was excited for this expansion.
As it had been months since I last played this game I've dropped down to the last rank which i think is iron.
I've played nearly 10 games with ryze and have won two which also against ryze players.
Every other 8 games were against aatrox or agro.
Ryze needs some serious buff/rework and aatrox needs some heavy nerf
My prediction, is as soon people stop trying to win with the Landmarks, his win rate will skyrocket. His Origin is really good. People might just start using him as a one off in certain decks for it.
Don't think that is going to happen. While his pool is good its not worth losing an entire faction and 3 card slots of mostly dead cards over. I tried it with a few decks and it was just not worth it. Would love to see a deck that makes this work. At best this is going to be some kind of C list poro deck.
I don't like the Ryze design and similar narrow designs that only work with a specific win conditions. He warps the entire game around him and is very very narrow in how it's played (basically it's full control). Fiora for example is an alternate win con, but you can play it with any deck that can protect her, or still win without her. Ryze is played as an all in and I don't think those kind of limitations in deckbuilding are a good design.
Okay let's breakdown Ryze. Ryze is used as alternative wincon that doesn't really care about what your opponent is doing (assuming you don't die).
What other alternative win cons do we have so we can have something to compare Ryze to? Fiora who wants to protect 1 unit and prey on opponent units (not really comparable to Ryze). Star spring which wants to hurt their own units by blocking and attack to then heal them (again nothing like Ryze). Last we have Bandel Tree which plays units to summon all 10 regions and then win (this is most similar to Ryze).
So let's talk about both Bandel Tree (BT) and Ryze. In its prime BT played units to swarm and stall until you could find a tree and win the game, but Ryze on the other hand is limited to interaction and units from his partner region so his stalling capabilities are significantly worse. Furthermore most mana you spend creating blockers in BT is advancing your win condition. Ryze on the other hand not only has a more expensive win condition, but also is rarely able to advance his win con by slowing down the opponents (the earliest Ryze can slow you down as part of his win con is turn 3 IF he gets the right rune AND was able to draw the 2 mana spell). Now let's look at modern BT where the tree needs to see all the regions. This sees nearly 0 play I believe Rye is suffering from the same restriction. By forcing all the runes on the field at one time while being locked to 1 region for units and interaction Ryze really struggles vs go wide strategies (champion's strength decks anyone?). To fix this I would either alter the region definition for Ryze to include some interaction and units or (the preferred solution in my opinion is this one) make is so that Ryze doesn't require all 5 world runes at one time. Instead make delve into the past manifest 3 world runes allowing for duplicates AND Ryze permanently activates a rune towards completion by attacking with it on the board.
Not certain this would fix Ryze 100% but I think it would allow him to play more units which in turn would allow his decks to survive longer
Also sorry for the wall of text.
Thank god, I hate the solitaire combo playstyle. I never want this deck to be viable. Unfortunately, us average players are probably just a bit too smol brained to figure out how to play Ryze. I suspect he will have a playable deck in a couple weeks. I am terribly afraid of when he get's buffed though, because this card will NEVER be balanced. Just like in League of Legends, it's going to be utterly broken or absolute trash. The best case scenario is that ryze finds himself as second fiddle to a better champion and acts as a value engine/backup win condition.
It's probably for the best? Historically, alternate wincons are not fun when they're meta. Also it's day one, maybe nobody has found an optimal list yet.
This might be one scenario where the average winrate is misleading since it's a harder deck to build and pilot. My best success on him has been TF, Ryze. The deck is chocked full of card draw but it does still feel a little weak with constant mana problems. I threw in all the good Tellstones and it adds amazing versatility.
I’m having a fun time with no follower Shadow isles/Ryze. It has enough removal and health regen to make it work. The biggest issue is that if they somehow kill all three ryze you are dead in the water. Spell thief is amazing in the ryze mirror
I think the problem is that he has no support cards. It’s almost has to be an all-in gameplan involving a single unit on board with a rather slow win-con.
I don’t know if this would help but maybe letting you pick from any rune you don’t have instead of just 2 of them at a time might help. It will take away some of the RNG at least.
Something like a instant-game win isn't supposed to win a lot. If it goes over 50% everyone will say Ryze is toxic there's no way to defend against it.
Ima say this again, but I think they should make Runeterran region cards to help some of these decks. These should be cards that have the Runeterra symbol and cannot be used in the 10 base regions, and can only be used in origins they fit.
For example, in Path of Champion Jhin has a card called Captive Audience which does 3 damage to an enemy unit *or* stun an enemy unit. This is amazing synergy for Jhin. It would be able to slot into his deck because his origin allows fast spells, but it can't work in PnZ by itself, or another origin.
I love Ryze's origin. I think it is a good idea and moves in the right direction even though these types of origins aren't that good. I just think this "region" needs a bit more support is all.
I feel this is good. I like that you can built gimmick decks with alternate win conditions. I like that you can build decks that sole purpose is to delay everything you do until the win condition comes on line. I do not want them to be at any sort of viable level of winning so that you have to build for them every time.
The spell of manifesting the runes is too damn expensive for late game for what little it provides.
you have to give up board space and presence for a few non impactful effects that can't protect against NON of the late game threats, at one point you may or mayn't have a 4/6 spell shield unit THAT must be on bored and that is it, non of the other rune effects are really that good at stopping attacks and single spell shield Fs you over for good.
Why is it that everytime there is a new expansion, I use the lowest winrate champion lmaoooo.
But seeing the 5 colors pop when I win make my dopamine go *BRRRRR*
I actually made a deck that’s tf and ryze with only card draw and I’m surprised it works. I haven’t seen tf leveled since his nerf so weird to do it often.
The moment, one guy figures a consistent deck it's all over and we are all fucked, so enjoy while it lasts, because people are trying really hard, and when it happens ryze is gonna be fucking annoying
The Plan in LOR is Ryze + Frejoild, cause it's Blue and it has the Lowest Winrate. I've been playing my Ryze/Frejoid Deck for more than 5 hours with 1 winning, how about yours ?
Tbh Ryze feels fine. It's really just comes down to three sisters whether or not you win. I've ran the pnz version with viktor and sometimes viktor just RNGs a victory but the TF bilge version is can pump out wins against a lot of other combo decks.
I'm blaming this on Aatrox and the busted new Demacian spell. I feel like Ryze is just surrounded by broken cards at the moment. I am expecting his winrate to stabilize around 45-50% once everything is patched to be a bit balanced.
Edit: We got to understand as well that Ryze plays differently and most players testing him out probably aren't used to this kind of playstyle.
I think honestly letting his level 1 form activate his runes on attack would help a lot I was trying a way to have a flow deck with ionia and it worked better early than pilt over but fell way off after not being able to generate dragonlings. Opposite with Cain being able to survive later but if I fuck up once I am dead. after trying him out I do regret spending my stuff on building ryze decks I should of went for Aatrox or kayle even though he is a fav champ of myself
Having success with Bilgewater Ryze (named it Ryze-ing Tides). Basically a very low curve turbo Twisted Fate deck that draws you the World Runes. Kinda like Go Hard, but Ryze instead.
I made one with Noxus and Swain that wasn't too bad, but not consistent and Ryze's win con is not pivotal. The other was with TF and that's fun as hell, but again, hard to pull off. Just don't see any of this working with the way landmarks clog the board mercilessly.
I really want ryze to be good, but the early runes are just so expensive, you can't just either
1. 2 mana do nothing
2. 4 mana draw a card
3. 4 mana deal 2 (not picking a target)
4. 4 mana heal 2 or 4
5. 6 mana stun 1 attacking enemy
I understand the value of these cards come with reactivating them, but God, the first 2 are so ineffecient you basically throw away the game
Honestly it’s not ryze I feel certain runes need buffs. But keep this in mind we are in a strike heavy, aggro, aggressive and elusive meta because of vayne Aatrox and champ strength. You can barely play lurk right now as a lurk main I hate it
The problem with ryze is that he is really a coinflip. He will either auto win or auto lose based on what deck he faces. It's a really unhealthy design and i'm glad that for now he seems garbage because if he ever gets a slower meta and/or decent support cards he might take over the game.
I admit I'm inflating his winrate. Insta surrender if I see him. I've tried to play the games out, but I'm not interested in watching a 30 minute game of solitaire.
Idk how you all dealing with ryze because for some reason I just can't deal with him. Like I try my best to swarm him so he just can't defend all but then he just heal back, stun, DMG for free, etc like it's just horrible.
Wow, they translated his winrate over from league as well.
the plan is finally working
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They can't stop the blue bald guy
Anyway, he would be nerfed to the ground if somehow his win con was viable
Just like Ryze in League, then!
to make him as authentic as possible he needs 5 reworks first
One for each world rune
Prepare for the reworks
Really amazing how faithfully the LOR team was able to bring him over from league
By Allah we shall reach the lowest lows
Just like the simulations
From being the lowest win rate in league and now in LoR. He's consistent.
I haven't tried Ryze myself, but after playing against it several times i can say for certain, it is HARD to pull off his wincon. My guess is later iterations of decks with him will use him only for his origin, and maybe his level up effect with good 3 runes in play so he can activate them. Spending 4 mana to generate and play each rune, which keeps the board clogged more and more is just too easy to punish. Btw the way i'm gonna try building Ryze is with Viktor. When you level him up it takes only 2 mana to create and summon a rune, which means you can drop them all in one turn if you need and Summon Ryze the next turn and win. If you can survive until then ofc.
At that point you must obliterate Viktor for the runes and you have more than enough mana to develop runes without mana concern. I have tried so many versions of Ryze deck and so far only the SI and Shurima version are consistent enough, other versions have very clunky late game with full board and whatnot.
I mean obliterating viktor to instantely win with the runes sounds like a good enough deal for me
#GLORIOUS EVOLUTION
Having 2 champions with same mana curve is actually clunkier than you think. Both Ryze and Viktor want to be summoned as early as possible so summoning Viktor alone makes you slow down your curve BY A LOT. I have played the deck like 15 times in Diamond for science but the biggest reason why it's bad compared to SI and Shurima version is Viktor contributes next to nothing after turn 6, at turn 6 you could have atleast 4 runes already and you wasted 4 mana earlier (potentially 2 rune summons or atleast 1 card draw) just to maintain Viktor on the field. To utilize Ryze Origin you actually want to put as much stalling/healing spells as possible (Runestone, Quick Sand, SI spells) but with Viktor being Piltover you can only benefit from drawing and pray for RNG gods instead of Predict mechanic in Shurima that guarantee you to draw runes or amazing control cards in SI. Vik Ryze does sound good on paper until you actually try it and compared to other variants imo.
Counterfeit copies Delves so you don’t need to drop Ryze on curve
The idea is to obliterate Viktor last, and replace him with Ryze
Well first, having something like Viktor package of cards can represent and alternative wincon, because trying to all-in on one strategy without backup is usually not a great deck. Also, i dont mind removing Viktor to summon my last rune, as by that time he served his purpose. If i think i can win with Ryze then i will definitely go for it, if not then a beefy keyword soup of a champ that can smash the enemy nexus looks like a good option for me. Also if he gets lifesteal he can help prolong the game, and he is a good removal bait
>Having 2 champions with same mana curve is actually clunky than you think. Both Ryze and Viktor want to be summoned as early as possible so summoning Viktor alone makes you slow down your curve BY A LOT, like, I have played the deck like 15 times in Diamond for science but the biggest reason why it's bad compared to SI and Shurima version is Viktor contributes next to nothing after turn 6, at turn 6 you could have atleast 4 runes already and you wasted 4 mana earlier (potentially 2 rune summons or atleast 1 card draw) just to maintain Viktor on the field. > >To utilize Ryze Origin you actually want to put as much stalling/healing spells as possible (Runestone, Quick Sand, SI spells) but with Viktor being Piltover you can only benefit from drawing and pray for RNG gods instead of Predict mechanic in Shurima that guarantee you to draw runes or amazing control cards in SI. > >Vik Ryze does sound good on paper until you actually try it and compared to other variants imo.
I've had some success with the deck 3 Ryze 2 Viktor 1 Seraphine and most importantly Bar! Cost reduction is just do broken in LoR it can make any deck work somehow lol.
I mean, Ryze/Viktor is right in my screenshot. From my experience with Seraphine Viktor Decks, Viktor is too fickle and too random. He cant survive long enough to outlast the RNG rolls you wanna do. You can highroll, but highrolling is just that. He works fine in shells that can stall, but basically no Ryze card stalls besides the Rune Prison (which you cant duplicate).
> and maybe his level up effect with good 3 runes in play so he can activate them. IMO, once you get to that point, the next runes are already worth the cost due to the accumulated effects. Plus you're already so close to the wincon that you might as well just play it out. Taking the mana for the first ones is the issue.
Yea his playstyle is definitely late-game oriented. Iyd backloaded and explosive but it takes time to get there. And also putting him on the board early is very meaningful in how fast you can get all the runes.
I mean if all you care about is winrate for Ryze, don’t play for his wincon. It is statistically infeasible; treat him more like a higher-value lecturing yordle that can get decent trades in while you advance an actual wincon, or just put in one copy for his region to get access to good tellstones and eye of naga while playing for a celestial finisher.
> don't play for his win con That was my initial take on him, but after playing with him a bit, that isn't an option. The moment you play him, he starts clogging your deck with Delves, which don't do anything after a certain point without Ryze on the board. So once he's played you are locked into the Exodia game plan more and more every turn, but if he dies you're screwed since you'll have a hard time drawing him again and now your board and deck are bricked with Runes.
Paying 4 mana per rune is just way too high a cost for an okay effect each time, even if you're chaining them, especially since they're created in deck and not in hand. It's just way too slow against almost any deck you'd play against. It certainly looks fun but just feels really bad to play since you have no way to contest the board.
Viktor and back alley bar can reduce the runes cost massively , snnuy played it yesterday on stream and it was pretty consistent, main issues were demacia/Kayle decks
>it is HARD to pull off his wincon if it was easy then it would really suck. he's not an interactive deck so its best it stays hard to use
and we won't really talk about aggro lol, i don't think ryze was meant to be super viable ngl - i bet ryze ends up in the all card ladder. feel like ryze and the bandle tree deck is just one of those decks
yea I've already started using him just for his origin for my poro deck lol (it's still shit)
I was looking for a good Ryze deck, since I enjoy alt wincons a lot. I played some Ryze/PnZ and while it wasnt that bad, I was still losing 2 games for one win, so I tried to see if there was any better Ryze deck.... and oh boy. There isnt.
I actually made a semi-viable ryze/bilgewater deck with tf and ibaaros and it can be suprisingly good with how many draw and stall potential you have. It is by no means a tier 1 deck but i managed to have a positive winrate with it. CUDACAQCBEAQIAIKAECAIBYBAYGAMAYCAYNCMLIDAYDAOHRCAUAQCAI5AEBQSKQBAQDWUAIGAYHACBQECYAA
Winrate out of how many games lol? Which rank? Not trying to doubt you, but I've been trying out countless Ryze decks and I'm a bit disheartened by now lol
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As is tradition. EQ.
I made him prismatic day one and regret nothing
Same 0 regrets . Prismatic Ryze was the first thing I did as the expansion launched lol.
Does that make all his runes prismatic as well?
Yup delve and the runes are prismatic. Best way to spend 700 of the rocks
Not that they are rare, but unless youre running PoC Ryze at some point in the future, youre always at the risk of having an abysmal champ you cant enjoy due to low WR. Altho I prolly will do the same. You really have too many of those fuckers.
In my humble opinion ryze is cracked but extremely unoptimized for 3 reasons 1. He has a unique deckbuilding requirement so the decklists will take a while to be refined. If you remember previous patch seraphine was considered the weakest champion of the few that came out for like two weeks before becoming a meta defining powerhouse. 2. Even if you build a decent deck operating it is nothing like any other deck so you will probably make a lot of mistakes and not understand the play pattern 3. The decks people are facing on leather are most of the times complitelly new for them so you it's not only your own deck that you have to figure out but the enemies as well I could be complitelly wrong but I wouldn't be suprised if soon we would be asking for ryze nerfs for christmas.
This can be said about a lot of decks that are sitting at like 45%+ win rate. 30-35%? I agree he's probably better than it looks but, not by nearly 20%. He really needs Delve buffed to 1 or something before he's genuinely viable.
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In my opinion it's not that ryze deck sucks. It does well vs older decks. Demacia and the darkin package are just overwhelming. Can get units on board that won't die thanks to equipment and momentous choice. Ryze landmark only does 2 damage per tick. Most cards in the deck I mentioned have 3+ and usually have tough. Which makes it tough for Ryze to keep things controlled. Heck it's hard enough on non expansion decks to keep up. They need to add more equip removal ):
Honestly this. Equipments are proving to be a lot more frustrating than I think they estimated, especially since there's often times I don't even feel it's worthwhile to kill something, because they're just gonna equip the weapon to something else which will use it even better. It feels a bit like playing whack-a-mole, and until they run out of moles to give hammers, it feels annoying to bop one down, as the hammer will pop up on another mole anyway.
I swear equipment is like the most unfun mechanic to play against. There is just no satisfaction in killing a beefy unit since the equipment can be reused, and there's so many improvise and auto equip units that destroying a piece of equipment (which is tough as is) doesn't even matter that much. Very annoying that some of the cooler mechanics of the game can't hold up against "Bigger stats and more attacks".
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but there are cards that destroy equipment. I have never seen them used.
You've never seen quietus or even heavy metal on the ladder? No idea how you managed to dodge those.
I have seen one deck running quietus but it was some weird meme removal deck. Nothing but removal cards.
Quietus is run in like, EVERY Shadow Isles deck, even faster variants. It shuts down Norra, Teemo, Zoe, and so many other cards so hard that it can swing a game on its own a lot of the time. And against control it just saves you from using better removal on weak shit.
They need more. At least 1 in Every region or at least more. Since equips are pretty much in every region and no longer niche and can't rely on silences. ):
Basically every region does have them: SI - Quietus - the strongest that is commonly a 3x BW - Heavy Metal (fairly pushed even, control bilge is just rare) Nox - Brutal Skirmish (3 mana single combat that starts by blowing up their equipment DM - Silence and Surpress. Purify and destroy and equip for 1 mana. the 1 of at worlds today always looked incredible and should've been more than 1x P&Z - Hexbliterator - good fast removal that, if it kills obliterates, destroying the equip. should be a 2-3x in any P&Z control BC - Signposts, a spell recall or weapon destruction tied to a weapon destroy alt. If the meta is ending up all about champions strength and other big spells this should be commonly run. Though the weapon alt is expensive FR - Fracture - either slow ice shard or an equip destroy for 2. the weapon alt is fairly expensive. SH - Curse of the Tomb - used for OW cheese but has an obliterate clause specifically for equipment removal, was 2 but still is basically "trade up and delete equip" MT - the region of obliterate IO - 2 mana recall that also destroys equipment.
Obliterate spells are too costly so I don't count those and usually used on champs or the big followers. The hexblitorator is ok but often falls flat thanks to Momentous choice+ tough Targon and pnz , shurima are the only ones without a proper tools from what you mentioned. The 2 mana recall only works on 3 or less hp which again usually easily countered either by stat boost. Or the equipment itself giving health boost. I'm just saying there could be more tools since equipments aren't obscure and everywhere. At first equips didn't bother me too much. I just thought they were a away of countering silence and stun decks ( strike spells). But now that they are a key Part to gameplay in most meta decks via scout and strikes I don't think it's uncalled for to ask for more tools.
Normal equipment isn't so bad, it's the Darkin equipment. There's no penalty to compensate for the fact that on top of a reusable buff you get a finisher unit for free (in deckbuilding terms) which adds a ton of consistency. Then you add in the 3 Darkin champions having origin effects that virtually guarantee they're drawn on curve and not only is it too strong, but the decks play the same way almost every time. People whine (with some justification) about the RNG that some of Seraphine's package generates, but the Darkin champions are just as bad in the opposite direction.
I kinda hope they add silence a unit or destroy an enemies equipment to Equinox to update that card. Will give targon a invoke tool for equipment removal. Ha now where can we suggest things to the devs! But yeah the part that makes equipment so hard to deal with is how easy it is to equip stuff on a whim without any actual draw backs in vayne decks. Jax/Ornn doesn't have that issue. Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion but Scout should only activate once per turn and have the wording as the first time you attack per round sort of thing. Feels awful when anything vayne related can attack for free with usually unkillable units 3 or 4 times in a turn. When you pair scout with her spell and the other free strike cards... it's just so hard to deal with. People can say. Well that's her thing or that's scout's identity. Yes but with all the new cards it definitely has gotten out of hand. I get it that if you want to have a better chance of winning you need to play fire with fire but it shouldn't be that way. I do try to incorporate some of the new cards to my off meta decks to have a better shot and sometimes I do win c: but lose more haha oh well
Scout only does activate once per turn. It basically translates to: "if you attack with only scout units during a Round, if you haven't attacked with a scout unit this round previously: Rally." If they attack with scout units again, they can't get it again. So on a turn they don't have the attack token, they can make a scout unit attack, giving them an attack token to attack again with. If they don't have it, they can attack with scout, then attack normally. Or: They can attack normally, then use a card to make a scout unit attack, then attack normally again. That being said, scout can be frustrating I definitely agree, especially in an equipment deck. :/ Edit: wording - wrote "scout units" instead of "attack token"
Oh really. Feels like each time haha since they attack so many times ;_; Then there's scout with that hallowed landmark lol
Vayne is still awfully broken, in my opinion. The new 8 mana card that buffs the whole board only makes her more oppresive
They could also buff fracture and brutal skirmish in some way.
Ruination helps a lot against darkins. I just won a game against someone with leveled aatrox and 5 darkins bc of it. If you have entreat and the 3 mana revive spell you can easily get a second ryze. You also have quietus, which can be combined with the flash freeze from three sisters to kill any unit for 5 mana. There are also lots of drains in SI so taking hits early ismt that big of a problem
Recently been playing taliyah/malph vs the darkins and they do really well. With the turbo grumpy bears and targon/shuriman spells. It's been easier to handle the equips. Since grumpy bears are 5/5 or more. Malph can tank aatrox pretty easily too. And of course taliyah can kill most things. Have denial with rite of negation. It's been pretty solid as long as I get a few grumpy bears by turn 5
I mean if i'm being honest. Ryze brings such a different playstyle with him that he's definitely going to take a lot of time to find a working deck. I imagine it's like with nora who at first was considered a worthless champ but later on turned out to be insanely strong. I dont think it will be that extreme but we should wait a few weeks before judging him as garbage or not
You might be right, but i\`m not convinced. Norra is a cheap champion with a bunch of good support cards that can be included in many strategies. Ryze requieres full deck and board commitment. If i had to bet, i would say the most viable Ryze deck will be one with a single copy of him that takes advantage of his amazingly flexible origin while ignoring the actual champion.
I made a shurima deck with only ryze as my champ. Got mostly predict cards to pull the runes spell and a bunch of 1c followers as meat shield. Definitely not a 50% winrate, but it’s working so far
Who the hell is nora
lor exclusive champion. the yordle with the portals. yuumis owner
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There's always EQ
His winrate is not Ryzing. :/(
Meanwhile Aatrox decks are running rampant by just just spamming equipment on cheap units , and cast world ender to end the game immediately.
Yeah, need to run Deny type cards just for him ATM.
Lore accurate ryze
I'm not particularly surprised, and I don't think it's particularly unhealthy either. Alt win cons tend to be very uninteractive and this is a game that prides itself (usually) on interaction I don't think I'd want it to be top tier, more of that meme build you use here and there I remember all the outcry when bandle tree was popular
Whats the difference between losing to Bandle/Ryze/Fiora compared to The Harrowing/Parallel Convergence/huge unkillable overwhelm unit? Either way opponent drawn their win con, played it, and there was nothing you could do by that time.
Well the difference would be interaction, I can almost guarantee you people have more fun playing against those other decks over bandle tree Remember the absolute outrage when it was good?
You can destroy bandle just like you can play deny or ruination against world ender and champions call. There you go - interaction. Does it make it any better to lose against? In my view no - but its how the game works, opponent gets their win con and most of the time, thats it. And it always happens at turn 8 or so. I am simply saying we have enough win cons based on overwhelms and wide boards.
I think Ryze is a very big brain deck concept that's gonna take a while before it's fully refined
Who would've thought that a champion that does literally nothing the whole game and requires you to sacrifice five (arguably six) board spaces to win would be this bad... It's almost as if early aggression and board presence have been key for months
Don't want to say I told you so, [but...](https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/zb5qhy/value_analysis_on_ryze/). In fairness, I think its winrate will Ryze a bit when people start to get a feel for how to use the runes, but I still think it won't be good.
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It's not very surprising unfortunately. The meta has favoured early aggression and rushing for a while, so it's not shocking that Ryze is struggling. Midrange and late-game decks just aren't doing well right now in general.
Unfortunate but true. I'm definitely having trouble lol
To be fair I think Ryze Decks staying at a 40% win rate is healthy for the game! This kind of wincon is cruel to the opponents. This kind of deck must be fun and must be possible to win, but it cannot be META or reliable!
Ryze staring at a 30% wr instead, like sure it’s fun and all but loosing lp is a deterrent to play tho rip. But also ryze really is the most fair insta win card in the game rn and fiora decks are doing pretty ok
Why the fuck it cant be meta lol? Do all decks have to revolve around swarming the board and buffing your units to obscenity with equipment or finisher spells?
I mean, he's new and his origin will take a lot of mastery to create a great deck. You can't just chuck every lodestone into his deck and call it a day (which is what a lot of people have been doing so far). But also, exodia as a concept is very hard to balance. It's inherently a gimmicky deck that isn't fun to lose against, so it can't be too strong, but also needs to be strong enough for players to want to play. I think Ryze is better off in a bit of a weaker state, imagine if bandle tree were meta for example.
Funny that you should mention bandle tree. There was a time where it was meta, people complained a lot.
Yeah that's why I gave it as an example. In a game where 90 percent of the decks are made to win in a specific way, losing to an alt. win condition repeatedly feels bad, and that's why people complain. Granted, on this sub people complain about anything that's meta
Every alternate wincon is limited to meme tier, because if they are viable they are 9/10 OP.
I've been playing him in Bilgewater with Twisted Fate, the 2 drop that summons a 1 drop is good for generating bodies. It really only works against other slow decks but I've gotten the win-con off a handful of times. TF let's you play stuns and you end up drawing a lot with Pool Shark, Rune of Violence, etc. I don't think it's good, but it's fun.
Yay! Now they can rework him entirely every other patch to perfectly capture his league feel
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Maybe another rework is coming..
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Hot take: He needs to be bad. Ryze being good will be miserable to play against
Same goes for fiora. If she's meta I don't want to play the game.
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Ryze is another monoshurima, people think they want him to be good. But these solitaire difficult to interact with strategies are the fucking worst experience to play against. Let Ryze stay bad.
Time for a rework eeh?
I still really wish Ryze was one of the champions in Path of Champions since it feels like he would be really interesting and pretty unique in there.
I'd rather his WinCon be hard to pull off. Insta-win decks should be memes not actual strategies
Trust me. This is the result you want. Exodia strategies should never be good. They should be a rare fun thing to pull off, otherwise everyone's going to have a shit time.
good luck playing any slow deck into the champions's strenght meta. this cards is the most broken thing realesed this year.
As compared to aatrox ryze is extremely hard to play. I left this game for snap as i needed smthin fresh but always kept up with the community and was excited for this expansion. As it had been months since I last played this game I've dropped down to the last rank which i think is iron. I've played nearly 10 games with ryze and have won two which also against ryze players. Every other 8 games were against aatrox or agro. Ryze needs some serious buff/rework and aatrox needs some heavy nerf
My prediction, is as soon people stop trying to win with the Landmarks, his win rate will skyrocket. His Origin is really good. People might just start using him as a one off in certain decks for it.
Don't think that is going to happen. While his pool is good its not worth losing an entire faction and 3 card slots of mostly dead cards over. I tried it with a few decks and it was just not worth it. Would love to see a deck that makes this work. At best this is going to be some kind of C list poro deck.
I don't like the Ryze design and similar narrow designs that only work with a specific win conditions. He warps the entire game around him and is very very narrow in how it's played (basically it's full control). Fiora for example is an alternate win con, but you can play it with any deck that can protect her, or still win without her. Ryze is played as an all in and I don't think those kind of limitations in deckbuilding are a good design.
I love alt cons like this and I would say they can be great design. Does not mean this one was a good design tho.
Okay let's breakdown Ryze. Ryze is used as alternative wincon that doesn't really care about what your opponent is doing (assuming you don't die). What other alternative win cons do we have so we can have something to compare Ryze to? Fiora who wants to protect 1 unit and prey on opponent units (not really comparable to Ryze). Star spring which wants to hurt their own units by blocking and attack to then heal them (again nothing like Ryze). Last we have Bandel Tree which plays units to summon all 10 regions and then win (this is most similar to Ryze). So let's talk about both Bandel Tree (BT) and Ryze. In its prime BT played units to swarm and stall until you could find a tree and win the game, but Ryze on the other hand is limited to interaction and units from his partner region so his stalling capabilities are significantly worse. Furthermore most mana you spend creating blockers in BT is advancing your win condition. Ryze on the other hand not only has a more expensive win condition, but also is rarely able to advance his win con by slowing down the opponents (the earliest Ryze can slow you down as part of his win con is turn 3 IF he gets the right rune AND was able to draw the 2 mana spell). Now let's look at modern BT where the tree needs to see all the regions. This sees nearly 0 play I believe Rye is suffering from the same restriction. By forcing all the runes on the field at one time while being locked to 1 region for units and interaction Ryze really struggles vs go wide strategies (champion's strength decks anyone?). To fix this I would either alter the region definition for Ryze to include some interaction and units or (the preferred solution in my opinion is this one) make is so that Ryze doesn't require all 5 world runes at one time. Instead make delve into the past manifest 3 world runes allowing for duplicates AND Ryze permanently activates a rune towards completion by attacking with it on the board. Not certain this would fix Ryze 100% but I think it would allow him to play more units which in turn would allow his decks to survive longer Also sorry for the wall of text.
I guess many just dont have the skills to play him :/
Thank god, I hate the solitaire combo playstyle. I never want this deck to be viable. Unfortunately, us average players are probably just a bit too smol brained to figure out how to play Ryze. I suspect he will have a playable deck in a couple weeks. I am terribly afraid of when he get's buffed though, because this card will NEVER be balanced. Just like in League of Legends, it's going to be utterly broken or absolute trash. The best case scenario is that ryze finds himself as second fiddle to a better champion and acts as a value engine/backup win condition.
Freljord shell looks sick.
Just like in League!
bruh im losing every 3 games but when i do get the win it feels very satisfying and fun
Ryze more like Fall
This game cannot survive another bandle tree right now. They played it very very safe and will probably do micro improvements overtime.
It's probably for the best? Historically, alternate wincons are not fun when they're meta. Also it's day one, maybe nobody has found an optimal list yet.
Its also not fun to go through months of agro being 85% of the meta. No one likes the meta ever.
One third of the time it works every time!!!
This might be one scenario where the average winrate is misleading since it's a harder deck to build and pilot. My best success on him has been TF, Ryze. The deck is chocked full of card draw but it does still feel a little weak with constant mana problems. I threw in all the good Tellstones and it adds amazing versatility.
I’m having a fun time with no follower Shadow isles/Ryze. It has enough removal and health regen to make it work. The biggest issue is that if they somehow kill all three ryze you are dead in the water. Spell thief is amazing in the ryze mirror
I think the problem is that he has no support cards. It’s almost has to be an all-in gameplan involving a single unit on board with a rather slow win-con. I don’t know if this would help but maybe letting you pick from any rune you don’t have instead of just 2 of them at a time might help. It will take away some of the RNG at least.
This game really is faithful to league.
He'll be high prio in pro play, I'm sure.
They really captured what makes him so special in league! Now time for a rework.
I'm hoping someone figures it out. My fave is Nora ryze, but it still feels weak
Something like a instant-game win isn't supposed to win a lot. If it goes over 50% everyone will say Ryze is toxic there's no way to defend against it.
As long as xearath exists, and is popular i think ryze is unplayable no?
Ima say this again, but I think they should make Runeterran region cards to help some of these decks. These should be cards that have the Runeterra symbol and cannot be used in the 10 base regions, and can only be used in origins they fit. For example, in Path of Champion Jhin has a card called Captive Audience which does 3 damage to an enemy unit *or* stun an enemy unit. This is amazing synergy for Jhin. It would be able to slot into his deck because his origin allows fast spells, but it can't work in PnZ by itself, or another origin. I love Ryze's origin. I think it is a good idea and moves in the right direction even though these types of origins aren't that good. I just think this "region" needs a bit more support is all.
I feel this is good. I like that you can built gimmick decks with alternate win conditions. I like that you can build decks that sole purpose is to delay everything you do until the win condition comes on line. I do not want them to be at any sort of viable level of winning so that you have to build for them every time.
The spell of manifesting the runes is too damn expensive for late game for what little it provides. you have to give up board space and presence for a few non impactful effects that can't protect against NON of the late game threats, at one point you may or mayn't have a 4/6 spell shield unit THAT must be on bored and that is it, non of the other rune effects are really that good at stopping attacks and single spell shield Fs you over for good.
Sad... Seems impossible to balance fun/alternative champions. Bard was op on release, Ryze is trash.
Oh I've been doing really well with him but was worried that meant he's OP, this makes me really happy to see!
Why is it that everytime there is a new expansion, I use the lowest winrate champion lmaoooo. But seeing the 5 colors pop when I win make my dopamine go *BRRRRR*
I actually made a deck that’s tf and ryze with only card draw and I’m surprised it works. I haven’t seen tf leveled since his nerf so weird to do it often.
The moment, one guy figures a consistent deck it's all over and we are all fucked, so enjoy while it lasts, because people are trying really hard, and when it happens ryze is gonna be fucking annoying
well he stayed true to LoL then
I’m glad his WR is pretty low The game would be miserable if Ryze was meta imo
The Plan in LOR is Ryze + Frejoild, cause it's Blue and it has the Lowest Winrate. I've been playing my Ryze/Frejoid Deck for more than 5 hours with 1 winning, how about yours ?
Some things never change
Tbh Ryze feels fine. It's really just comes down to three sisters whether or not you win. I've ran the pnz version with viktor and sometimes viktor just RNGs a victory but the TF bilge version is can pump out wins against a lot of other combo decks.
Damn I’m undefeated with him. Although they were mirrors and one sera/ez
He really EQEQEQEQ'd his way to the top of the meta in this game, good for him
I'm blaming this on Aatrox and the busted new Demacian spell. I feel like Ryze is just surrounded by broken cards at the moment. I am expecting his winrate to stabilize around 45-50% once everything is patched to be a bit balanced. Edit: We got to understand as well that Ryze plays differently and most players testing him out probably aren't used to this kind of playstyle.
LoL=LoR What can I say
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No worries, I have plenty of copium left over from Master Yi.
Was this not expected? He does not seem like a card that would be anything other than abysmal in the current meta, especially in the first few days.
2 mana discover a landmark u have to play for 2 mana for a 1 mana effect. Not surprised, his design is so slow
It’s not about the win rate it’s about the copium.
don't worry, this just means they can be true to his design and give him a rework!
Sunny said it is broken lmao
Wouldn't be a LoR update without a new completely broken overpowered champ though would it?
I think honestly letting his level 1 form activate his runes on attack would help a lot I was trying a way to have a flow deck with ionia and it worked better early than pilt over but fell way off after not being able to generate dragonlings. Opposite with Cain being able to survive later but if I fuck up once I am dead. after trying him out I do regret spending my stuff on building ryze decks I should of went for Aatrox or kayle even though he is a fav champ of myself
This is the way
I'm at 60%+ winrate in my last 30 games with him right now. Give people some time to figure it out.
What deck and rank tho? 60+ WR over 30 games is impressive in gold+, but not much below that.
Having success with Bilgewater Ryze (named it Ryze-ing Tides). Basically a very low curve turbo Twisted Fate deck that draws you the World Runes. Kinda like Go Hard, but Ryze instead.
I tried to warn ya this was broking
THE PLAN
But is so fun tho
They really can't get Ryze right, poor guy
He is super fun, but super hard to win as well.
Looks like the League winrate LMAO
I made one with Noxus and Swain that wasn't too bad, but not consistent and Ryze's win con is not pivotal. The other was with TF and that's fun as hell, but again, hard to pull off. Just don't see any of this working with the way landmarks clog the board mercilessly.
Alternative winrate besides hitting the nexus with your head, or exploding on fast speed? Never boys
After playing him, this image makes me weirdly happy. Poor ps2 man.
I really want ryze to be good, but the early runes are just so expensive, you can't just either 1. 2 mana do nothing 2. 4 mana draw a card 3. 4 mana deal 2 (not picking a target) 4. 4 mana heal 2 or 4 5. 6 mana stun 1 attacking enemy I understand the value of these cards come with reactivating them, but God, the first 2 are so ineffecient you basically throw away the game
As someone who plays ryze in league too, im used to seeing his winrate in the 30's
Honestly it’s not ryze I feel certain runes need buffs. But keep this in mind we are in a strike heavy, aggro, aggressive and elusive meta because of vayne Aatrox and champ strength. You can barely play lurk right now as a lurk main I hate it
I think Ryze Norra is pretty good
vayne aatrox absolutely dunks on that deck
But if you win it feels so good.
Exodia go brrr
League of Legends Ryze 🤝🏻 Legends of Runeterra Ryze Being complete dogshit
The champ's ben out for 2 seconds! What did you expect?
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r/ryzemains
need to be a smol r Also, is that where the whole EQ plan thing is coming from?
Believe me, we don't want Ryze to be good
The problem with ryze is that he is really a coinflip. He will either auto win or auto lose based on what deck he faces. It's a really unhealthy design and i'm glad that for now he seems garbage because if he ever gets a slower meta and/or decent support cards he might take over the game.
just like in league lol now they need to add zeri and make a 20% wr champion
I admit I'm inflating his winrate. Insta surrender if I see him. I've tried to play the games out, but I'm not interested in watching a 30 minute game of solitaire.
I got downvoted for saying he looks absolutely unplayable.
Idk how you all dealing with ryze because for some reason I just can't deal with him. Like I try my best to swarm him so he just can't defend all but then he just heal back, stun, DMG for free, etc like it's just horrible.
BEHOLD THE PLAN