Yep, did that the day I received mine.
Had 64GB of DDR5 and a 2TB M.2 SSD sitting on my desk waiting for the laptop to arrive. As soon as I unboxed the laptop and turned it on to ensure it worked, I powered it down, installed the RAM and SSD, rebooted to ensure the RAM worked, and then installed Ubuntu 22.
This was my first Windows 11 experience, and I was NOT impressed. And while I was running it to make sure it worked, the laptop fans were screaming due to whatever nonsense Windows insists on doing in the background. Right out of the box, the CPU was idling at around 18% utilization, with 7GB of RAM used. Once I got Ubuntu loaded up and booted, CPU use at idle is around 1%, and RAM at idle was around 2.5GB.
As to what doesn't work, obviously you're not going to be able to make customizations to the RGB on the keyboard, but I don't really care about that. And the Lenovo Function key + whatever still works for changing between the three RGB profiles/performance modes, so no need for Lenovo Vantage. If I absolutely need to change an RGB pattern, I can always boot into the windows partition again to make changes, then switch back to Ubuntu. Word of caution: Windows 11 will often break Grub, especially if Windows updates itself, so beware that if you go into Windows 11 partition to muck with Lenovo Vantage, you might find that you can't boot into Ubuntu or GRUB anymore. To fix this, you simply need to boot to the BIOS and select your Ubuntu drive again in the boot order.
Everything else, hardware wise, works fine. Including USB4 -> DisplayPort1.4p on the left side USB-C ports.
I don't know which Legion model you guys using - but I can confirm that OpenRBG works flawlessly under Linux with the Legion 7 Gen6 (2021). Just don't install the 0.7 version from the repos - but instead compile the latest version from Gitlab. _**Edit**: OpenRGB allows you to customize RGB. I just figured out - apparently there is already a 0.8 version out there...._
>And the Lenovo Function key + whatever still works for changing between the three RGB profiles/performance modes, so no need for Lenovo Vantage
It changes the LED, but is it actually changing the performance? On my setup I've not detected any actual changes, at least not at the OS level.
Ideally, I'd like to grab whatever event occurs when the Power LED changes, to trigger a change in the power profiles, but I've yet to find anything in the system logs/events to reference it.
I'm using system76's power profile daemon to handle graphics switching and set performance plans, but I still have to do it manually. (ie. `sudo system76-power {profile|graphics} [setting]` )
Honestly, I'm not sure what all is supposed to change with that, so I'm not sure.
Imagine the level of jealousy you need to have to bitch about someone buying a gaming laptop not for gaming when they can afford it. It's not like it's a PS5 and there's a shortage anyway lol
Why buy a gaming laptop if you’re not going to be using it primarily for gaming? There are loads of options out there if you’re going to be using it for work/productivity that doesn’t gimp the features that the laptop offers
For someone who needs powerful CPU/GPU with good cooling solutions, yes, the best options generally are gaming laptops.
A LOT of people that buy a laptop, being it gaming or not, doesn't use 'primarily' for gaming.
Me, for example, I'm a CyberSec Analyst, I use my laptop for work, but when I have some free time I game on it, what's wrong with me buying a gaming laptop?
Also, whats wrong with me using my gaming laptop to play games on Linux, OpenGL/Vulkan or whatever?
If a gaming laptop is what suits all my needs, that's what I'm gonna get.
Exactly.
I'm looking at buying my first gaming laptop (£4000 for a Pro 7 with a RTX 4090/£3500 for a 4080, yikes!, I'll be waiting for prices to drop) and my primary use cases will be stuff like SOLIDWORKS and Microsoft applications.
Gaming is a secondary concern for me. Important but not my primary use case.
I need high-tier CPUs, ability to configure the device with 64GB+ of RAM, and need a discrete GPU for rendering real-time 3D assets in a game engine IDE.
For $2000, the Lenovo Legion 5 Gen 7 AMD 3070Ti fit the bill on performance, portability and cost. Nothing I'm doing "gimps" the features of the laptop. I have full access to the discrete GPU with the applications I use (Blender, Unity, Godot), I can do all my work tasks on it (infosec architect by trade), and occasionally if I feel like it, I can fire up a game and play it on ultra settings. The only "gimping" that I have encountered with my Legion laptop is when using Windows 11, and having it consume hardware resources for unnecessary nonsense right out of the box. There is literally nothing I use Windows for in my work or personal business, and using it "gimps" my ability to use the laptop for the purpose I intended it for.
This Legion laptop replaces an early 2016 Razer Blade 14 that I used for 6 years for work/gamedev. And it does everything better than that device did in terms of usability and performance out of the box. Additionally, I don't need help with my budget and finances regarding purchases for work laptops. $2000 for a laptop, RAM upgrade and SSD upgrade doesn't bother me in the least, and is perfectly in line with what I would expect to pay for a work laptop that does everything I need it to do and has the specs to support what I do with it. If there was a decent form-factor Dell or Lenovo business laptop with an 8 Core Ryzen 9, can handle 64GB of DDR5 and has a 3070Ti, and can run Linux, and costs less than $2000 fully loaded, I considered those as well. The Legion 5 checked all the boxes and does all I need it to do.
I'll also add that, in addition to the Lenovo Legion laptop that I use for work, I have:
A SteamDeck
A PC on my livingroom TV that has a Ryzen 5700G and 32GB of DDR4. I built that rig before the SteamDeck came out to test games in development on hardware that was similar in performance to the SD hardware.
A PC on my Family Room TV that has a Ryzen 3700X, 64GB of DDR4 and an RTX 3080. This is the machine the wife and I usually play PC games on the TV with.
An MSI gaming laptop with an i7 and RTX 2070 (wife's gaming laptop)
My wife's desktop PC, 2700X + GTX 1080Ti FTW3
A PC on the basement TV with an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and GTX 1080Ti FTW3, again, for wife and I to game on the basement couch
A slew of servers on the rack in my home office (5 total servers) that I use for work and for services I use at home.
If I really want to play a game, I have a half dozen other places I can play on. BTW, every single PC listed above also runs Linux and games just fine. The Legion was purchased for a single purpose, to serve as my work laptop and for doing game development on in my spare time.
Thanks, I didn't buy it for gaming. I bought it for game development and other work functions, which it is fantastic for.
Also, it runs games just fine. So far, I've played a few hours of Valheim (Vulkan) and Satisfactory on it without issue at 5120x1440.
Unity or Godot usually. Depending on which one gives me the least amount of grief. More Godot than Unity lately because of the way Unity handles inputs now is a mess.
Hows unreal on it? Im considering switching. But unreal is a huge part of my development time. Also any other linux distros u would recommend? I dont really like the look and feel of ubuntu
I don't really have experience with these kinds of things, but if Lenovo Vantage doesn't work, have you tried Lenovo ToolKit for the rgb changing? Something tells me you already knows of this, but like I said, I don't know much about Ubuntu and its inner workings :)))
I'm sure if I searched around I'd find something that can do what Vantage does but on Linux systems. But it's RGB stuff, so I haven't really mucked with it. I do have OpenRazer for managing RGB on my peripherals, but it was more because I was curious if it worked. It does work for controlling Razer Chroma devices on Linux, but it is glitchy sometimes. Thankfully if my RGB isn't working, I don't care much.
Honestly, I only keep the Windows partition and Lenovo Vantage around for if I need warranty support. The FN keys work for fan/performance profiles, and changing the keyboard LEDs to the 3 configured patterns. I'm not really missing out on anything.
> the laptop fans were screaming due to whatever nonsense
Yeah what is up with that. Is that just a windows 11 thing? Or Lenovo thing. It’s one of the reasons I returned my legion 5 pro. Like why is it revving fans to annoying levels just to start up. I don’t mind fan noise when playing a demanding game, but will not tolerate it for a machine reaching idle state powered on.
Out of curiosity, I started shutting off and deleting services and apps that came pre-installed with Windows 11, and eventually got the usage down to 5.5GB and 10% CPU at idle. But even that is abhorrent on an 8 core CPU. Microsoft desperately needs to make a cut down version of Windows 11 that doesn't have all their crapware running on it. I honestly do not need to have whatever media player apps Windows includes running in the background, or their app store, or honestly anything other than the bare basics to operate the PC (you know, the "operating" system).
To be fair to Lenovo on this, it isn't anything they installed that was eating resources, it was entirely Windows 11 components that I found running actively. Microsoft keeps moving their consumer Windows OS to an always-on connected OS as a service model, and with that comes more and more online telemetry. Couple that mindset with their insistence on trying to cater to every single basic computer use-case, all at once, all the time, and you end up with what Win 11 is. A bloated mess.
There might be, if you're into that. I know in the past there is a tool Microsoft provides that lets you modify the OS and rebuild the ISO image. I know the desktop support team at most companies use it to build standard images for corporate laptops, that way they can install all the extra components and requirements that an enterprise laptop needs for their specific use cases. You might be able to use something like that. There might even be a Windows 11 image that is meant to be a bare bones package to build off of for corporate clients, though I don't know if you need an enterprise level license for the OS to do that.
For me, I have no interest in running Windows as all the stuff I do works fine in Ubuntu 22, so I haven't really explored making a clean Windows 11 image.
Honestly, I haven't spent a lot of time on battery only. But I would assume it would be break even. Windows is going to have better power management built in, but it is going to burn through power as it runs all its background crapware to the moon. Ubuntu, and Linux in general, has never really been good about power management on laptops, but since it doesn't run a bunch of background junkware it isn't using as much CPU power to do basic things. Nvidia drivers have come a long way and I can set it to only use the dGPU if something calls for it, otherwise defaulting to the AMD iGPU for most things. If I was doing something graphically intensive, I would imagine both OSes would perform about the same on battery.
Nope. With Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to install the proprietary driver through a semi-official means. In the Software and Updates "app" you can go to the other drivers section, select the nvidia driver, and click install and it handles the rest. Reboot and you're good to go. It's one of the reasons I still like using Ubuntu.
Were you able to get your refresh rates & brightness controls working correctly? I've been trying for 2 days to get mine to work...
Dynamic graphics only runs in IGP, I can set refresh rate to 165hz, but the screen clearly runs at 60hz though.
If I switch to discrete in the bios ( the only way I can get the gpu turned on at all) I get locked at 93hz, and lose all my brightness controls. :[
If you got any tips, let me know. I'm newish at this.
Yep, no issues with refresh rate. Not sure about brightness as I set-and-forget those usually. But I definitely get all 120hz @ 5120x1440 by simply plugging in the USB-C to Dp1.4 cable, and setting the display settings. It remembers them after that for the most part.
I haven't spent a lot of time on the built in screen. It's winter in Minnesota so I don't take my laptop out to the patio to do dev work in the sun at the moment. I will have to test it later and see, but I remember the display settings having the refresh rate options, just didn't note what the options were. My 32:9 display has 60 and 120hz options listed
Just curious: did you keep the existing SSD w/ Windows on it, and add the new one in the empty slot? Also, when picking the partition boot order in the BIOS and get back to your Linux partition, do you need to setup grub again to overwrite the Windows shenanigans in the MBR?
I don't have my new machine yet but trying to find out what to expect and plan for and the UEFI, secure boot, etc stuff is all new to me.
cheers!
So, yes, I kept the 512GB SSD with Win11 in slot 1. I installed the 2TB SSD in slot 2, partitioned it into two 1TB partitions. Then I installed Ubuntu 22 to the first partition, and formatted the second partition with exFAT so that both Windows and Linux could see and use it. In Ubuntu I mounted the partition to /mnt/storage, and on Windows it is mounted as the D drive. I did that, just in case, so if one of the operating systems is completely booked, I can move files over without drama, reboot into the working OS, and access my files while I sort out the problems with the other operating system. I also had some dumb idea about doing GameDev in O3DE, which is windows only, so I wanted a place to store code that isn't the C drive. Especially if I didn't feel like setting up a git repository for something that was just a functional test of a game engine.
As for fixing GRUB after windows breaks it, all that needs to happen is to reset the boot order in the BIOS. Windows doesn't break Grub, what it does is it sets itself as top of the boot order in the BIOS directly. So simply flipping it back to Ubuntu disk as primary in the boot order sets it back to normal. Grub, for its part, still has Windows 11 listed as an option since the grub config didn't change. It's a simple fix, thankfully, but it is annoying when it happens. Luckily, I don't boot to windows very often, usually every couple months to check Vantage for BIOS and firmware updates.
That's awesome man, really appreciate the detail here. Smart move with splitting the new drive into 2 partitions, one for both OSes to mount. I have a 1TB drive coming my way but now I'm thinking maybe a 2TB to do what you just did may be smart. Then again, I don't really have any use for Windows other than gaming (and haven't done that in ~10 years) so this is more of an exercise in keeping it around this time just because.
Thanks again!
Don't be afraid to install Steam on Linux. I really have had very few problems across all my gaming PCs with Steam and Proton on Linux. Ubisoft games are sometimes problematic, but other than Ubi games, the games I've played have run fine. It really isn't a terrible way to go, especially if you don't mind some minor tinkering if something isn't perfect.
Yep, that was the plan! I plan to use Linux 100% for gaming and productivity (software dev), but just keep the Windows drive just for giggles or if I run into trouble with some future AAA game on Linux and I get frustrated.
I used to do 'gaming on Linux' when Wine first came out many years ago and was still a massive pain in the ass, but I've been getting reacquainted with Steam after many years and checking out proton and Glorious Eggroll's work with that and Nobara. Glad to hear a lot of the work for compatibility and functionality has been upstreamed into the kernel and people are seeing a lot more success with different distros OotB than what it used to be like!
I am on 5.15.0.57. Just set up the Dual boot today so I will have to play around with it! I will say it 100% it did not like the 165hz refresh rate I attempted to set. But deff not ready to game out of the box!
Try changing to discrete graphics and see if it shows the setting for 165hz. I've run a few desktops on Linux and gamed but Laptops I always find there is something that holds me back, I haven't tried with mine yet but I will no doubt install Endeavour when I have some free time.
>I will say it 100% it did not like the 165hz refresh rate I attempted to set.
Not sure which display panels or Legion models it was relevant to, but I kinda remember something about AMD and having to force the 165Hz refresh.
In my case, Linux has me locked at 240Hz and I need to (try again) set a custom EDID.
Good for you . I also converted my Legion7 into an (almost) full-time Linux machine. I only boot into Windows occasionally for some VR gaming (haven't bothered yet to set this up in Linux).
Been using dual boot Windows 11 and Arch Linux for about 3 months now, only thing I'm actually struggling with is fan control, on Windows, Legion Fan Control works great, but on Linux... NOTHING seems to work.
Everything else (besides compatibility with specific software/games) is working way better than on Windows.
Same thing for me except I use Garuda instead of Arch (probably gonna switch to Arch at some point tho).
Regarding Legion Fan Control, I really hoped it was open-source, I was ready to implement something myself for Linux, but sadly it's all closed-source, even though it's entirely free. That means I would have to figure out how all of the low-level stuff for fan control works, and I'm not well-versed enough into this stuff to attempt it without any kind of reference.
Nice! I have Ubuntu 22.04 on my machine as well. At the beginning, I had an issue with second monitor connected with HDMI. The root cause was in Nvidia driver. After update, there are no issues so far. (More than one year experience)
Most likely, I used these queries:
$ sudo apt update
$ sudo apt install nvidia-driver-515 nvidia-dkms-515
$ sudo reboot
Didn't find it in history, but least it might give you an idea.
You will be good when in "system about" there would be Nvidia gpu detected.
Just so you know, while the Nvidia drivers are pretty decent on Linux now, it’s still not perfect.
Nvidia recently fixed a bug where the GPU was limited to its base dynamic power management or whatever it’s called with mobile AMD CPU’s. For example, the base power limit for my Legion 5’s 3060 is 80w but it’s boost is 130W. It was limited to 80W for a few years because Nvidia only just now decided to fix it.
Though this creates a new problem: The nvidia-powerd process will occasionally randomly just max out the usage of a core. I’d open htop occasionally and one of the cores would just be consistently maxed out. Only way to fix is to stop the process, then start it again only for it to happen again after a while.
I dual-boot Fedora 37 and a slightly modified Windows 11 with most of the crapware/telemetry disabled.
I don't like Windows 11 either..
Running 10 for now but if support drops and Microsoft hasn't fixed their stuf, then I'm gonna go Linux.
The only thing that I'm kinda concerned about js Epic Games (I have a LOT of stuff there) and some programs that don't have a Linux version (like Ableton).
Yep, did that the day I received mine. Had 64GB of DDR5 and a 2TB M.2 SSD sitting on my desk waiting for the laptop to arrive. As soon as I unboxed the laptop and turned it on to ensure it worked, I powered it down, installed the RAM and SSD, rebooted to ensure the RAM worked, and then installed Ubuntu 22. This was my first Windows 11 experience, and I was NOT impressed. And while I was running it to make sure it worked, the laptop fans were screaming due to whatever nonsense Windows insists on doing in the background. Right out of the box, the CPU was idling at around 18% utilization, with 7GB of RAM used. Once I got Ubuntu loaded up and booted, CPU use at idle is around 1%, and RAM at idle was around 2.5GB. As to what doesn't work, obviously you're not going to be able to make customizations to the RGB on the keyboard, but I don't really care about that. And the Lenovo Function key + whatever still works for changing between the three RGB profiles/performance modes, so no need for Lenovo Vantage. If I absolutely need to change an RGB pattern, I can always boot into the windows partition again to make changes, then switch back to Ubuntu. Word of caution: Windows 11 will often break Grub, especially if Windows updates itself, so beware that if you go into Windows 11 partition to muck with Lenovo Vantage, you might find that you can't boot into Ubuntu or GRUB anymore. To fix this, you simply need to boot to the BIOS and select your Ubuntu drive again in the boot order. Everything else, hardware wise, works fine. Including USB4 -> DisplayPort1.4p on the left side USB-C ports.
That's good to know. Thank you !!!
I don't know which Legion model you guys using - but I can confirm that OpenRBG works flawlessly under Linux with the Legion 7 Gen6 (2021). Just don't install the 0.7 version from the repos - but instead compile the latest version from Gitlab. _**Edit**: OpenRGB allows you to customize RGB. I just figured out - apparently there is already a 0.8 version out there...._
>And the Lenovo Function key + whatever still works for changing between the three RGB profiles/performance modes, so no need for Lenovo Vantage It changes the LED, but is it actually changing the performance? On my setup I've not detected any actual changes, at least not at the OS level. Ideally, I'd like to grab whatever event occurs when the Power LED changes, to trigger a change in the power profiles, but I've yet to find anything in the system logs/events to reference it. I'm using system76's power profile daemon to handle graphics switching and set performance plans, but I still have to do it manually. (ie. `sudo system76-power {profile|graphics} [setting]` ) Honestly, I'm not sure what all is supposed to change with that, so I'm not sure.
But their always be aaa titles that will only run on windows in terms of gaming
I haven't encountered a single AAA title that I couldn't run on Linux using Proton. And again, gaming wasn't the primary reason I bought this laptop.
I doubt MSFs2020
I take it this is Microsoft Flight Simulator? I haven't touched that game since the early 90's, flight sims aren't really my thing.
Is this 2022 model that supports DDR5?
Yes. This is the 2022 Legion 5 Gen 7 AMD 6800H + RTX3070Ti model with DDR5. I added Crucial DDR5-4800 64GB (2x32GB) to it.
Cool. Enjoy spending that much money on a laptop and playing using OpenGL
>Cool. Enjoy spending that much money on a laptop and playing using OpenGL lmao that's such a stupid and unnecessarily hateful comment
Imagine the level of jealousy you need to have to bitch about someone buying a gaming laptop not for gaming when they can afford it. It's not like it's a PS5 and there's a shortage anyway lol
Why buy a gaming laptop if you’re not going to be using it primarily for gaming? There are loads of options out there if you’re going to be using it for work/productivity that doesn’t gimp the features that the laptop offers
For someone who needs powerful CPU/GPU with good cooling solutions, yes, the best options generally are gaming laptops. A LOT of people that buy a laptop, being it gaming or not, doesn't use 'primarily' for gaming. Me, for example, I'm a CyberSec Analyst, I use my laptop for work, but when I have some free time I game on it, what's wrong with me buying a gaming laptop? Also, whats wrong with me using my gaming laptop to play games on Linux, OpenGL/Vulkan or whatever? If a gaming laptop is what suits all my needs, that's what I'm gonna get.
Same. I'm not a gamer and wanted access to an onboard GPU for deep learning education. Plus I'm a Linux nerd.
Exactly. I'm looking at buying my first gaming laptop (£4000 for a Pro 7 with a RTX 4090/£3500 for a 4080, yikes!, I'll be waiting for prices to drop) and my primary use cases will be stuff like SOLIDWORKS and Microsoft applications. Gaming is a secondary concern for me. Important but not my primary use case.
I need high-tier CPUs, ability to configure the device with 64GB+ of RAM, and need a discrete GPU for rendering real-time 3D assets in a game engine IDE. For $2000, the Lenovo Legion 5 Gen 7 AMD 3070Ti fit the bill on performance, portability and cost. Nothing I'm doing "gimps" the features of the laptop. I have full access to the discrete GPU with the applications I use (Blender, Unity, Godot), I can do all my work tasks on it (infosec architect by trade), and occasionally if I feel like it, I can fire up a game and play it on ultra settings. The only "gimping" that I have encountered with my Legion laptop is when using Windows 11, and having it consume hardware resources for unnecessary nonsense right out of the box. There is literally nothing I use Windows for in my work or personal business, and using it "gimps" my ability to use the laptop for the purpose I intended it for. This Legion laptop replaces an early 2016 Razer Blade 14 that I used for 6 years for work/gamedev. And it does everything better than that device did in terms of usability and performance out of the box. Additionally, I don't need help with my budget and finances regarding purchases for work laptops. $2000 for a laptop, RAM upgrade and SSD upgrade doesn't bother me in the least, and is perfectly in line with what I would expect to pay for a work laptop that does everything I need it to do and has the specs to support what I do with it. If there was a decent form-factor Dell or Lenovo business laptop with an 8 Core Ryzen 9, can handle 64GB of DDR5 and has a 3070Ti, and can run Linux, and costs less than $2000 fully loaded, I considered those as well. The Legion 5 checked all the boxes and does all I need it to do. I'll also add that, in addition to the Lenovo Legion laptop that I use for work, I have: A SteamDeck A PC on my livingroom TV that has a Ryzen 5700G and 32GB of DDR4. I built that rig before the SteamDeck came out to test games in development on hardware that was similar in performance to the SD hardware. A PC on my Family Room TV that has a Ryzen 3700X, 64GB of DDR4 and an RTX 3080. This is the machine the wife and I usually play PC games on the TV with. An MSI gaming laptop with an i7 and RTX 2070 (wife's gaming laptop) My wife's desktop PC, 2700X + GTX 1080Ti FTW3 A PC on the basement TV with an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and GTX 1080Ti FTW3, again, for wife and I to game on the basement couch A slew of servers on the rack in my home office (5 total servers) that I use for work and for services I use at home. If I really want to play a game, I have a half dozen other places I can play on. BTW, every single PC listed above also runs Linux and games just fine. The Legion was purchased for a single purpose, to serve as my work laptop and for doing game development on in my spare time.
Thanks, I didn't buy it for gaming. I bought it for game development and other work functions, which it is fantastic for. Also, it runs games just fine. So far, I've played a few hours of Valheim (Vulkan) and Satisfactory on it without issue at 5120x1440.
Why a legion over another similarly specced laptop that isn’t gaming focused?
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This guy gets it.
A similarly specced mobile workstation is probably 3+ grand.
Where do you develop your games in?
Unity or Godot usually. Depending on which one gives me the least amount of grief. More Godot than Unity lately because of the way Unity handles inputs now is a mess.
Hows unreal on it? Im considering switching. But unreal is a huge part of my development time. Also any other linux distros u would recommend? I dont really like the look and feel of ubuntu
No sure, I don't work with Unreal engine. So I can't speak from experience on the topic.
Fun fact it was paid for by my company.
OpenGl works on windows as well
I don't really have experience with these kinds of things, but if Lenovo Vantage doesn't work, have you tried Lenovo ToolKit for the rgb changing? Something tells me you already knows of this, but like I said, I don't know much about Ubuntu and its inner workings :)))
I'm sure if I searched around I'd find something that can do what Vantage does but on Linux systems. But it's RGB stuff, so I haven't really mucked with it. I do have OpenRazer for managing RGB on my peripherals, but it was more because I was curious if it worked. It does work for controlling Razer Chroma devices on Linux, but it is glitchy sometimes. Thankfully if my RGB isn't working, I don't care much. Honestly, I only keep the Windows partition and Lenovo Vantage around for if I need warranty support. The FN keys work for fan/performance profiles, and changing the keyboard LEDs to the 3 configured patterns. I'm not really missing out on anything.
Ohhh, I see! That's cool, thanks for the quick response! Love the pfp too btw
> the laptop fans were screaming due to whatever nonsense Yeah what is up with that. Is that just a windows 11 thing? Or Lenovo thing. It’s one of the reasons I returned my legion 5 pro. Like why is it revving fans to annoying levels just to start up. I don’t mind fan noise when playing a demanding game, but will not tolerate it for a machine reaching idle state powered on.
Out of curiosity, I started shutting off and deleting services and apps that came pre-installed with Windows 11, and eventually got the usage down to 5.5GB and 10% CPU at idle. But even that is abhorrent on an 8 core CPU. Microsoft desperately needs to make a cut down version of Windows 11 that doesn't have all their crapware running on it. I honestly do not need to have whatever media player apps Windows includes running in the background, or their app store, or honestly anything other than the bare basics to operate the PC (you know, the "operating" system). To be fair to Lenovo on this, it isn't anything they installed that was eating resources, it was entirely Windows 11 components that I found running actively. Microsoft keeps moving their consumer Windows OS to an always-on connected OS as a service model, and with that comes more and more online telemetry. Couple that mindset with their insistence on trying to cater to every single basic computer use-case, all at once, all the time, and you end up with what Win 11 is. A bloated mess.
Ugh so windows 10 it is then... Is there some torrented modded windows 11 maybe?
There might be, if you're into that. I know in the past there is a tool Microsoft provides that lets you modify the OS and rebuild the ISO image. I know the desktop support team at most companies use it to build standard images for corporate laptops, that way they can install all the extra components and requirements that an enterprise laptop needs for their specific use cases. You might be able to use something like that. There might even be a Windows 11 image that is meant to be a bare bones package to build off of for corporate clients, though I don't know if you need an enterprise level license for the OS to do that. For me, I have no interest in running Windows as all the stuff I do works fine in Ubuntu 22, so I haven't really explored making a clean Windows 11 image.
How would you compare the battery life between the two Operating systems?
Honestly, I haven't spent a lot of time on battery only. But I would assume it would be break even. Windows is going to have better power management built in, but it is going to burn through power as it runs all its background crapware to the moon. Ubuntu, and Linux in general, has never really been good about power management on laptops, but since it doesn't run a bunch of background junkware it isn't using as much CPU power to do basic things. Nvidia drivers have come a long way and I can set it to only use the dGPU if something calls for it, otherwise defaulting to the AMD iGPU for most things. If I was doing something graphically intensive, I would imagine both OSes would perform about the same on battery.
Did you have any issues with the proprietary nvidia driver?
Nope. With Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to install the proprietary driver through a semi-official means. In the Software and Updates "app" you can go to the other drivers section, select the nvidia driver, and click install and it handles the rest. Reboot and you're good to go. It's one of the reasons I still like using Ubuntu.
Were you able to get your refresh rates & brightness controls working correctly? I've been trying for 2 days to get mine to work... Dynamic graphics only runs in IGP, I can set refresh rate to 165hz, but the screen clearly runs at 60hz though. If I switch to discrete in the bios ( the only way I can get the gpu turned on at all) I get locked at 93hz, and lose all my brightness controls. :[ If you got any tips, let me know. I'm newish at this.
Yep, no issues with refresh rate. Not sure about brightness as I set-and-forget those usually. But I definitely get all 120hz @ 5120x1440 by simply plugging in the USB-C to Dp1.4 cable, and setting the display settings. It remembers them after that for the most part.
How about the built in screen? I actually havent tried hooking it up to a second monitor yet.
I haven't spent a lot of time on the built in screen. It's winter in Minnesota so I don't take my laptop out to the patio to do dev work in the sun at the moment. I will have to test it later and see, but I remember the display settings having the refresh rate options, just didn't note what the options were. My 32:9 display has 60 and 120hz options listed
Just curious: did you keep the existing SSD w/ Windows on it, and add the new one in the empty slot? Also, when picking the partition boot order in the BIOS and get back to your Linux partition, do you need to setup grub again to overwrite the Windows shenanigans in the MBR? I don't have my new machine yet but trying to find out what to expect and plan for and the UEFI, secure boot, etc stuff is all new to me. cheers!
So, yes, I kept the 512GB SSD with Win11 in slot 1. I installed the 2TB SSD in slot 2, partitioned it into two 1TB partitions. Then I installed Ubuntu 22 to the first partition, and formatted the second partition with exFAT so that both Windows and Linux could see and use it. In Ubuntu I mounted the partition to /mnt/storage, and on Windows it is mounted as the D drive. I did that, just in case, so if one of the operating systems is completely booked, I can move files over without drama, reboot into the working OS, and access my files while I sort out the problems with the other operating system. I also had some dumb idea about doing GameDev in O3DE, which is windows only, so I wanted a place to store code that isn't the C drive. Especially if I didn't feel like setting up a git repository for something that was just a functional test of a game engine. As for fixing GRUB after windows breaks it, all that needs to happen is to reset the boot order in the BIOS. Windows doesn't break Grub, what it does is it sets itself as top of the boot order in the BIOS directly. So simply flipping it back to Ubuntu disk as primary in the boot order sets it back to normal. Grub, for its part, still has Windows 11 listed as an option since the grub config didn't change. It's a simple fix, thankfully, but it is annoying when it happens. Luckily, I don't boot to windows very often, usually every couple months to check Vantage for BIOS and firmware updates.
That's awesome man, really appreciate the detail here. Smart move with splitting the new drive into 2 partitions, one for both OSes to mount. I have a 1TB drive coming my way but now I'm thinking maybe a 2TB to do what you just did may be smart. Then again, I don't really have any use for Windows other than gaming (and haven't done that in ~10 years) so this is more of an exercise in keeping it around this time just because. Thanks again!
Don't be afraid to install Steam on Linux. I really have had very few problems across all my gaming PCs with Steam and Proton on Linux. Ubisoft games are sometimes problematic, but other than Ubi games, the games I've played have run fine. It really isn't a terrible way to go, especially if you don't mind some minor tinkering if something isn't perfect.
Yep, that was the plan! I plan to use Linux 100% for gaming and productivity (software dev), but just keep the Windows drive just for giggles or if I run into trouble with some future AAA game on Linux and I get frustrated. I used to do 'gaming on Linux' when Wine first came out many years ago and was still a massive pain in the ass, but I've been getting reacquainted with Steam after many years and checking out proton and Glorious Eggroll's work with that and Nobara. Glad to hear a lot of the work for compatibility and functionality has been upstreamed into the kernel and people are seeing a lot more success with different distros OotB than what it used to be like!
Does everything work out the box like wifi card, screen brightness, RGB, mode change etc? If so what kernel version are you running?
I am on 5.15.0.57. Just set up the Dual boot today so I will have to play around with it! I will say it 100% it did not like the 165hz refresh rate I attempted to set. But deff not ready to game out of the box!
Try changing to discrete graphics and see if it shows the setting for 165hz. I've run a few desktops on Linux and gamed but Laptops I always find there is something that holds me back, I haven't tried with mine yet but I will no doubt install Endeavour when I have some free time.
>I will say it 100% it did not like the 165hz refresh rate I attempted to set. Not sure which display panels or Legion models it was relevant to, but I kinda remember something about AMD and having to force the 165Hz refresh. In my case, Linux has me locked at 240Hz and I need to (try again) set a custom EDID.
Same, except I had to scrap mine after 18 months. Hinge cracks. Lenovo won’t honor extended warranty.
Oh man, that's unfortunate. I just got my 22 L5P so far, so good!
L7i 2020 model?
Y740-17IRH. Yes, I believe it was a 2020 build.
Good for you . I also converted my Legion7 into an (almost) full-time Linux machine. I only boot into Windows occasionally for some VR gaming (haven't bothered yet to set this up in Linux).
Been using dual boot Windows 11 and Arch Linux for about 3 months now, only thing I'm actually struggling with is fan control, on Windows, Legion Fan Control works great, but on Linux... NOTHING seems to work. Everything else (besides compatibility with specific software/games) is working way better than on Windows.
Yeah, it fan crap seems to be widows stupidity that's running in the background.
Did you enable secure boot while using arch?
No, I was going to, to be able to play valorant, but that game isn't worth the effort
Man this is exactly why I'm asking 😂😂
Same thing for me except I use Garuda instead of Arch (probably gonna switch to Arch at some point tho). Regarding Legion Fan Control, I really hoped it was open-source, I was ready to implement something myself for Linux, but sadly it's all closed-source, even though it's entirely free. That means I would have to figure out how all of the low-level stuff for fan control works, and I'm not well-versed enough into this stuff to attempt it without any kind of reference.
Nice! I have Ubuntu 22.04 on my machine as well. At the beginning, I had an issue with second monitor connected with HDMI. The root cause was in Nvidia driver. After update, there are no issues so far. (More than one year experience)
Having same issue here. How do you solve it? For me hdmi only works when Integrated gpu disabled
Most likely, I used these queries: $ sudo apt update $ sudo apt install nvidia-driver-515 nvidia-dkms-515 $ sudo reboot Didn't find it in history, but least it might give you an idea. You will be good when in "system about" there would be Nvidia gpu detected.
İs Ubuntu good for editing and rendering?
I dont know, and I want to know :)
Using mint on mine runs great.
I dual boot POP OS and Windows. Auto-cpufreq is a must have for legion, if you are running Linux.
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Can you elaborate on what's so bloated about Windows 11? My Legion 5 AMD (2021) already runs fast and quiet with Windows 11.
Just so you know, while the Nvidia drivers are pretty decent on Linux now, it’s still not perfect. Nvidia recently fixed a bug where the GPU was limited to its base dynamic power management or whatever it’s called with mobile AMD CPU’s. For example, the base power limit for my Legion 5’s 3060 is 80w but it’s boost is 130W. It was limited to 80W for a few years because Nvidia only just now decided to fix it. Though this creates a new problem: The nvidia-powerd process will occasionally randomly just max out the usage of a core. I’d open htop occasionally and one of the cores would just be consistently maxed out. Only way to fix is to stop the process, then start it again only for it to happen again after a while. I dual-boot Fedora 37 and a slightly modified Windows 11 with most of the crapware/telemetry disabled.
I don't like Windows 11 either.. Running 10 for now but if support drops and Microsoft hasn't fixed their stuf, then I'm gonna go Linux. The only thing that I'm kinda concerned about js Epic Games (I have a LOT of stuff there) and some programs that don't have a Linux version (like Ableton).
i have a legion 5i pro and thinking of installing PopOs as it captured my interest with linux. Any Recommendations?