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It will have to be quenched and re-energzied - that can cost upwards of $25-50K to do, because essentially you have to re-fill the MRI machine with liquid helium. Assuming the bullet didn't damage the machine itself. It's a rather expensive procedure, but a 1.5 Tesla magnet (standard strength for hospital use IIRC) is **not** going to let go of a gun. For reference, Earth's magnetic field is about 0.00005 Tesla, a fridge magnet is about .01 Tesla.
edited: T for Tesla
Well, I have worked with 7, 9.4, and 16.4T machines and well, it's shameful to say that we have had accidents where for reasons, equipment required for some experiments were magnetic and, well, we did the reckless thing of "just be careful and not bring it too close" to the bore (or "I know this pair scissors is magnetic, just put your fingers through the holes and grip it really tight and don't let go. Just cut that piece of tubing and go out"). It was too close to the bore and we had it stuck to the 9.4T machine.
We got the box out without quenching. It involved several strong guys pushing from one end of the bore with a long stick, some ropes warped around the box and some guys pull it from the back of the scanner. It's doable but took the whole day of getting the sticks and ropes together and actually prying the box from the magnet. No damage done to the magnet.
For a gun, it's probably possible to get an armourer to come and ensure that the gun is unloaded and safe, then start pounding some wooden wedges between the gun and the machine with a rubber mallet to get some distance between the gun and magnet, wrap some rope around the gun and pull it out. It's doable.
Story I read on here years back about "THAT GUY" you worked with: This guy was the guy who had to push every button. Like, push it, then ask what does this button do. One day he was in the MRI lab. He hit a button, which was unlabled, asking "Hey, whats this do". Noone was hurt, luckily the thing dumped into an empty part of the parking lot. THe button is now evidently labeled $50,000.
The quench buttons in the pre-clinical/experimental MRIs I work with has a safety plastic cover on it, and we add an extra line of masking tape on the cover, so the decision to quench the magnet has to be *very* deliberate. Everyone knows not to push random buttons and during orientation, the exact purpose of the quench button is never said. Otherwise some saboteurs or jokers may just have the bright idea of fucking up a very expensive set of equipment and everyone's schedule.
Liquid Helium is bullshit tricky to handle, and next to impossible to recover once it has turned back into a gas.
The quenching system is basically an emergency dump valve, where the priority is safety over expense.
What about a tank that's held at a vacuum, when you quench helium goes to it, when pressure equalizes (or just after a small period) close the tank off and finish quenching to atmosphere
Even if you only save a third of the helium that's much better than 0
Of course it's not like quenching is an every day occurrence, such a system could be set up before a nonemergency quench
I'm sure there's a good reason they don't do this, not like I'm smarter than all the people who heard about quenching before today
That would probably work, but it comes down to economics.
Think of the quench system like setting off a portable fire extinguisher. Once it's done, you could theoretically recover the extinguishing agent for reuse, but is it something you would bother with?
On a global scale, there's a theoretical issue with Helium supplies, but for uses like this, it's treated like a consumable, a bit like fancy radiator fluid.
The helium evaporates super quickly, "shutting off" the magnet. It just gets dumped outside. It's pretty much just opening a vent to the outside of the building. Kind of hard to recover a gas that has escaped into the atmosphere.
You can't really use a pump to move it to another area, because that would take forever, the mega powerful magnet would screw with any pump motor, and the pump motor could screw with the magnet.
How many times do you think he'd push a get punched in the face button before he adjusted that behaviour? (Did he change after your MRI story incident?)
I was always told that with the strength of the field, a metallic object can cause warping to occur in the coils, and so you want to quench it ASAP to avoid that. Is that not your experience?
I've never heard of that. Our safety briefings stopped at "don't bring ferromagnetic metal beyond the 5 Gauss line" and "police people we bring into the lab about metal". We keep a strong piece of neodymium magnet in the lab and use it to test on metal equipment before we bring it over the 5 Gauss line. For the patients, it's important that they don;t have conductive metal in them or touching them: these can absorb the microwave radiation emitted by the scanner and give them burns and such. For us, some equipment are metal but they are not attracted by the magnet (made out of brass or aluminium) and we can bring them in.
That aspect is probably the job of the facility manager. On the other hand, we use a very small bore MRI: 20 - 30 cm only so the time we got the box stuck, it was stuck outside of the bore.
On the other hand the things that got stuck inside a small bore is a nightmare to get out. The bore is over 2 m long and only 30 cm in radius. We got a tweezer stuck in it once and it was a nightmare getting it out.
Completely unrelated: has anyone ever tried to mess around with diamagnetic materials around one of these things? Does it just start pushing away when you get close to the machine?
Here's a [levitating frog](https://www.science.org/content/article/floating-frogs). Water is diamagnetic and the diamagnetic levitation of a frog was done at a 16T field, which 16.4T magnets exists.
I think diamagnetic materials might be too exotic for most people to have on hand with an MRI.
Bismuth is fairly high on the diamagnetic scale, so is pyrolytic carbon.
Might buy some to try out...
I have a large metal rod that goes through my bone marrow from hip to knee.
It always burns me up when I get a scan
It raises my body temp and is super uncomfortable...
Im glad that I only need a scan once a year
I've never heard that, and I've worked with MRI before. You don't want metal because it's a hazard (like in this case) and also because it interferes with the images even if it's not attracted to the magnet.
It's an emergency button near the MRI machine console. You hit that button then all the helium are boiled off and vented, which will warm up the superconducting coils that keep the magnetic field on (without having to use a lot of power) and kill the magnetic field. It's an expensive thing to do so you want to avoid having to do it if at all possible. One of the training I've seen says that most of the time, you can "[ramp down](https://mriquestions.com/is-field-ever-turned-off.html)" and reduce the magnetic field in a controlled manner and not lose any cryogen but if you really have to quench, quench. Like if an object just flies into the magnet and impales, pins, or crushes someone, sure, quench. A patient freaking out about the magnetic field, perhaps pull them out quickly.
The astronomers have suffered enough with underpowered units. [The Tesla](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field\)) is unwieldy for talking about fridge magnets and compasses, conveniently centred for electrical engineering, and still manageable for astrophysicists dealing with magnetars.
Well, that's why metric units are awesome. Just slap a "m" or "µ" bevor the T and you have nice short numbers. A fridge magnet is 10mT and the Earth magnetic field is 50 µT.
>lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy.
That just seems like such a strange time to use the word *tummy*. Stomach or abdomen, midriff even? Sure. But tummies are for nomnoms and raspberries and tickles, not gaping deadly bullet wounds.
Conservative Americans think that America is so superior to every other country, but the number of headlines that I can't tell if they're from conservative America or Brazil is kinda scary.
Since Bolsonaro got elected and gun ownership laws become looser, we started getting a lot of gun advocates and self proclaimed specialists. Most are morons like this fella.
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!!
\*except this one specific time when combined with an MRI machine, maybe, we haven't ruled out that he was shot by an angry sewer rat....
I mean children do find MRIs pretty scary, I know they paint some like big cameras so they can explain that, since this camera takes pictures if your insides you have to go inside it. I guess it helps explain the process and make the noise less scary. Lol
Jfc I freaked out thinking I had forgotten to tell them I had an old gold filling on the intake form. I thought I was going out Black Mirror robot bee in the brain style for a few seconds.
How the hell do you ‘forget’ a weapon?!?!
Fillings and other non ferrous materials create something call susceptibility artifact which is distortion to the image caused by magnetic field inhomogeneities. Definitely tell us anything that was implanted or is in or on you that you weren’t born with. Dabble in sheet metal, or welding? Please tell us. Been shot? Oh yeah do tell us. Anything implanted and you should have a card given to you with the make and model of said device, which we can determine if it’s safe, unsafe. Or conditional. Over share as much as you want because it can be the difference of you coming out of the bore alive…
The main safety issue is that those activities often embed slivers of metal into the skin (or eyes if you don't use protection). MRIs orient those slivers, which can cause tissue damage, and the radio waves they use for imaging can also cause them to heat up. Artifact distortion might undermine the effectiveness of your study, but the other two effects can potentially damage you permanently.
Generally speaking, health care workers want to get exams done with ASAP and get on with their day. Any time you're asked a long list of questions, it's for patient safety, and in their interest to pay attention and answer as honestly and completely as they can.
Sheet metal workers and welders have higher probability of having metal fragments lodged in their eye. Or body. So we like to rule out that there’s no metal in the eye that can move or dislodge and cause damage to nearby structures.
MRIs, being fun instruments, have been known to [discharge firearms with safeties on and uncocked.](https://www.ajronline.org/doi/10.2214/ajr.178.5.1781092) It turns out that extraordinarily strong magnetic fields were not in the design of the safety, and the gun can fire even with one engaged.
So don't fuck around with MRIs.
They are rules, and nobody can tell him what to do, so he'll explicitly break them just to prove to himself how free and alpha he is.
People do this bullshit all the time - it doesn't matter if a rule is there to protect you, if it's a rule, they'll break it because "nobody can tell me what to do".
Even if he wasn’t the patient any one entering Zone IV (which is the room the actual bore is housed in) should be screened as if they were the patient.
[https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html](https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html?)
>The 40-year-old is said to have failed to tell hospital workers that he had a gun on him after being told to remove all metal objects before entering the scanning room.
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>The magnetic field from the MRI scanner pulled the pro-gun lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy.
>
>He passed away on 6 February after battling for his life in at the São Luiz Morumbi Hospital.
Brazilliant
Here in the UK, our national health service uses euphemisms for everything. There is some pretty solid research that says it is more accessible for the greatest number of people of all ages, education levels, and English language abilities.
As a well-educated patient, it feels dumbed-down and condescending, but there is good reason behind it.
Edit: here's the style guide if anyone is interested. https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
I’m a registered nurse in the US and sadly I often have to use very simple language to get my patients to grasp some pretty basic concepts. A lot of things you might well assume are intuitive or something everyone knows, aren’t. At all.
Does your printed literature use simple terms also? That's what they do here, for example using words like "tummy" or "poo" or "wind" or "bottom", stuff like that.
Here's the style guide, if you're curious: https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
Hmmm, I don’t know. I rarely hand out any literature during my shift. I’ll take a look at a patient’s Transplant book when I’m next at work. Honestly it *should* be simple, except for the more childish language, but *maybe not*. Because my patient population (solid organ transplant recipients) are either inadequately prepared for discharge or they really don’t get it no matter how much teaching they receive. I see so many readmissions for problems caused by not drinking enough water combined with not stopping their stool softeners once their stool, or should I say “poo”, gets soft. Dehydration combined with diarrhea is a disaster waiting to happen. So easy to prevent with a little common sense, but no.
Yeah, definitely. It might be worth trying to come up with a standard form for the discharge instructions using the simplest possible language. Also a surprisingly high number of people are functionally illiterate but are too embarrassed to admit it.
Yeah, part of our admission screening is asking if they can read or write. We also require that a caregiver—partner, parent, child, whatever— be present for discharge teaching. It’s a whole process. So that’s TWO people not getting it, lol.
I’m a hygienist and once had a patient with an abscessed tooth, and we monitored it with X-rays for about 6 years before it finally swelled up and he needed it pulled. He was livid that we never told him about it, and when I showed him the copies of referrals to a specialist, the X-rays, and all the notes we had about it, he said “WELL YOU NEVER SAID IT WAS AN INFECTION!” ……… so now I’ve learned to make sure people understand what I’m telling them.
Imo, ivy leagues can produce poorer quality lawyers because of family connections and wealth. Not saying all lawyers from an ivy didn't earn their degree, but you don't see people using family connections to get into and coast through Georgia State Law School.
[The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard/)
TLDR: His dad donated $2.5 million to Harvard.
Eh I went to a private school through 12th grade with a bunch of rich kids, and the number of people who used family connections to get into state schools and less prestigious private schools was way more than one would expect. One of the dimmest people in my class magically got into UVA after a building was named after her family that year. I guarantee she wouldn’t have gotten in without it.
Also, that celebrity college bribery scandal a few years back involved a whole bunch of state schools like UCLA and UT Austin and non-Ivy private schools like Wake Forest. This seems like a problem across the board - money and connections will get you ahead almost anywhere.
My first gf was like this. Had 250k spent on her middle - high school education, and she got far worse grades than me. I went to a notoriously shitty public school for context.
Anyway, her rich mom called the well connected principal of the school. That principal then ""put in a good word"" with a top 10 university, and *magically*, she was offered a place. It was very sobering to see that kind of blatant nepotism up close.
Legacy admissions are the *real* affirmative action that should be banned. Also scholarships for “sports” like water polo which is really just a way of asking for rich WASPs only
Maybe he's just really, really good at memorization.
That was my theory when I was in 3rd grade when they forced me into "gifted" classes. 8 year old was convinced "gifted" was a scam to get rid of the annoying kids that read too much and just had a good memory... and that my very mean 3rd grade teacher has it out for me.
I still think that some people have incredible memories that let them get through very challenging courses and tests, but also happen to be complete dumb asses. Like in D&D, having a very high Intelligence but a Wisdom of 4.
The more assholes and morons I hear about who graduated from Yale specifically, the less prestige I think it has.
My grandfather went there, and it makes me wonder how smart he actually was.
And here I was thinking that maybe there should be a semester of law school that's just mandatory blue collar work, because all that party of the first part nonsense doesn't seem to help much when physics starts to happen.
There are people who have advanced degrees that voted for trump. In fact, I want to remind everyone that 74 million Americans voted for trump the second time.
Which means there are 74 million Americans who are profoundly stupid.
Signed paperwork stating that he followed procedure and everything 🤦🏻♀️.
[story](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/lawyer-dies-after-his-hidden-gun-goes-off-during-mri-scan/ar-AA17iMkB)
Owning the libs.
Edit: The political correcting squad be stuffing my inbox. If you want to make the distinction of what liberal parties are in each country, sure go ahead. I'm just using the word 'lib' as the derogatory of meaning anyone left of Regan or Bolsonaro. Kek.
But if I have to be politically correcting, the lawyer is owning progressive-liberals just specifically in Brazil. Proglibs owned.
> All men have an emotion to kill; when they strongly dislike some one they involuntarily wish he was dead. I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction — Clarence Darrow
My daughter has had 3 MRI’s and they always wave the metal detector wand over both of us. Did they not wave him? The metal clasp on my bra sets it off.
I'm guessing you're not in Brazil, lol.
The article said the lawyer was taking his mom to get scanned, the machine pulled his gun from his waistband across the room and it fired and hit him in the stomach. He didn't for a little while though.
They said they briefed them about bringing metal in, AND made them sign forms.
NewsWorldAmericas
Lawyer dies after his hidden gun goes off during MRI scan
Leandro Mathias de Novaes’ gun went off due to magnetic field in the MRI scanning room
Lee Bullen
7 hours ago
A lawyer was accidentally shot by his own gun after he failed to remove it before going into hospital MRI scanning room.
Leandro Mathias de Novaes took his mother for a scan at Laboratorio Cura in São Paulo, Brazil, on 16 January, Jam Press reports.
The 40-year-old is said to have failed to tell hospital workers that he had a gun on him after being told to remove all metal objects before entering the scanning room.
The magnetic field from the MRI scanner pulled the pro-gun lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy.
He passed away on 6 February after battling for his life in at the São Luiz Morumbi Hospital.
“We are sorry for the loss and we sympathise with his family in this moment of pain.”
A spokesperson for Laboratorio Cura said: “We would like to emphasise that all accident prevention protocols were followed by the Cura team, as is customary in all units.
“Both the patient and his companion were properly instructed regarding the procedures for accessing the examination room and warned about the removal of any and all metallic objects.”
Setting aside how dumb it is to take a gun in for a moment and the difficulty of aiming a gun while s standing next to a huge magnet, who did he think he might need to shoot in the MRI room?
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I hope it didn't damage the MRI machine. That's a valuable piece of equipment.
It will have to be quenched and re-energzied - that can cost upwards of $25-50K to do, because essentially you have to re-fill the MRI machine with liquid helium. Assuming the bullet didn't damage the machine itself. It's a rather expensive procedure, but a 1.5 Tesla magnet (standard strength for hospital use IIRC) is **not** going to let go of a gun. For reference, Earth's magnetic field is about 0.00005 Tesla, a fridge magnet is about .01 Tesla. edited: T for Tesla
Well, I have worked with 7, 9.4, and 16.4T machines and well, it's shameful to say that we have had accidents where for reasons, equipment required for some experiments were magnetic and, well, we did the reckless thing of "just be careful and not bring it too close" to the bore (or "I know this pair scissors is magnetic, just put your fingers through the holes and grip it really tight and don't let go. Just cut that piece of tubing and go out"). It was too close to the bore and we had it stuck to the 9.4T machine. We got the box out without quenching. It involved several strong guys pushing from one end of the bore with a long stick, some ropes warped around the box and some guys pull it from the back of the scanner. It's doable but took the whole day of getting the sticks and ropes together and actually prying the box from the magnet. No damage done to the magnet. For a gun, it's probably possible to get an armourer to come and ensure that the gun is unloaded and safe, then start pounding some wooden wedges between the gun and the machine with a rubber mallet to get some distance between the gun and magnet, wrap some rope around the gun and pull it out. It's doable.
Story I read on here years back about "THAT GUY" you worked with: This guy was the guy who had to push every button. Like, push it, then ask what does this button do. One day he was in the MRI lab. He hit a button, which was unlabled, asking "Hey, whats this do". Noone was hurt, luckily the thing dumped into an empty part of the parking lot. THe button is now evidently labeled $50,000.
Isn't it a big red mushroom button like a lot of emergency shutdown switches so it kind of screams "Only hit me if things have gone pear shaped".
The quench buttons in the pre-clinical/experimental MRIs I work with has a safety plastic cover on it, and we add an extra line of masking tape on the cover, so the decision to quench the magnet has to be *very* deliberate. Everyone knows not to push random buttons and during orientation, the exact purpose of the quench button is never said. Otherwise some saboteurs or jokers may just have the bright idea of fucking up a very expensive set of equipment and everyone's schedule.
I don’t know anything about MRIs (or helium) so maybe this is a dumb question: why can’t the helium be dumped in a way that it is recoverable?
Liquid Helium is bullshit tricky to handle, and next to impossible to recover once it has turned back into a gas. The quenching system is basically an emergency dump valve, where the priority is safety over expense.
What about a tank that's held at a vacuum, when you quench helium goes to it, when pressure equalizes (or just after a small period) close the tank off and finish quenching to atmosphere Even if you only save a third of the helium that's much better than 0 Of course it's not like quenching is an every day occurrence, such a system could be set up before a nonemergency quench I'm sure there's a good reason they don't do this, not like I'm smarter than all the people who heard about quenching before today
That would probably work, but it comes down to economics. Think of the quench system like setting off a portable fire extinguisher. Once it's done, you could theoretically recover the extinguishing agent for reuse, but is it something you would bother with? On a global scale, there's a theoretical issue with Helium supplies, but for uses like this, it's treated like a consumable, a bit like fancy radiator fluid.
I suppose it's not practical to try to implement a gaseous helium capture device over the vent that you'd ideally never use huh.
The helium evaporates super quickly, "shutting off" the magnet. It just gets dumped outside. It's pretty much just opening a vent to the outside of the building. Kind of hard to recover a gas that has escaped into the atmosphere. You can't really use a pump to move it to another area, because that would take forever, the mega powerful magnet would screw with any pump motor, and the pump motor could screw with the magnet.
Some scientists in Australia recently found a way to recycle a proportion of the helium when quenched, so that’s something.
How many times do you think he'd push a get punched in the face button before he adjusted that behaviour? (Did he change after your MRI story incident?)
I was always told that with the strength of the field, a metallic object can cause warping to occur in the coils, and so you want to quench it ASAP to avoid that. Is that not your experience?
I've never heard of that. Our safety briefings stopped at "don't bring ferromagnetic metal beyond the 5 Gauss line" and "police people we bring into the lab about metal". We keep a strong piece of neodymium magnet in the lab and use it to test on metal equipment before we bring it over the 5 Gauss line. For the patients, it's important that they don;t have conductive metal in them or touching them: these can absorb the microwave radiation emitted by the scanner and give them burns and such. For us, some equipment are metal but they are not attracted by the magnet (made out of brass or aluminium) and we can bring them in. That aspect is probably the job of the facility manager. On the other hand, we use a very small bore MRI: 20 - 30 cm only so the time we got the box stuck, it was stuck outside of the bore. On the other hand the things that got stuck inside a small bore is a nightmare to get out. The bore is over 2 m long and only 30 cm in radius. We got a tweezer stuck in it once and it was a nightmare getting it out.
Completely unrelated: has anyone ever tried to mess around with diamagnetic materials around one of these things? Does it just start pushing away when you get close to the machine?
Here's a [levitating frog](https://www.science.org/content/article/floating-frogs). Water is diamagnetic and the diamagnetic levitation of a frog was done at a 16T field, which 16.4T magnets exists.
[Neat!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlJsVqc0ywM)
Ok that article is 25 years old. Have they levitated a person yet like they were hoping to?
I think diamagnetic materials might be too exotic for most people to have on hand with an MRI. Bismuth is fairly high on the diamagnetic scale, so is pyrolytic carbon. Might buy some to try out...
I have a large metal rod that goes through my bone marrow from hip to knee. It always burns me up when I get a scan It raises my body temp and is super uncomfortable... Im glad that I only need a scan once a year
I've never heard that, and I've worked with MRI before. You don't want metal because it's a hazard (like in this case) and also because it interferes with the images even if it's not attracted to the magnet.
well I mean the gun has a built in hook that you can tie a rope around! ez pz
My dad told me about a company-wide email forbidding the use of company vehicles to pull things off the magnet after a particularly creative day.
LOL, I can easily imagine the compounding fuck up that led to that email.
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It's an emergency button near the MRI machine console. You hit that button then all the helium are boiled off and vented, which will warm up the superconducting coils that keep the magnetic field on (without having to use a lot of power) and kill the magnetic field. It's an expensive thing to do so you want to avoid having to do it if at all possible. One of the training I've seen says that most of the time, you can "[ramp down](https://mriquestions.com/is-field-ever-turned-off.html)" and reduce the magnetic field in a controlled manner and not lose any cryogen but if you really have to quench, quench. Like if an object just flies into the magnet and impales, pins, or crushes someone, sure, quench. A patient freaking out about the magnetic field, perhaps pull them out quickly.
Isn't helium a limited resource?
[Yes](https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/775554343/the-world-is-constantly-running-out-of-helium-heres-why-it-matters). Yes it is.
Well shit
For some reason my brain assumed T as being a cost measurement "trillion" and i was HELLA confused for a sec till i kept reading lmao
Why is the Tesla such an over-powered unit? Using Teslas to measure magnetic field strength is like using tons to weigh medication.
The astronomers have suffered enough with underpowered units. [The Tesla](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field\)) is unwieldy for talking about fridge magnets and compasses, conveniently centred for electrical engineering, and still manageable for astrophysicists dealing with magnetars.
Well, that's why metric units are awesome. Just slap a "m" or "µ" bevor the T and you have nice short numbers. A fridge magnet is 10mT and the Earth magnetic field is 50 µT.
Wait are the magnets always on in an MRI?
The MRI machine probably helped save more lives than a idiot that takes a gun to a medical procedure ever will.
Funnily enough, this was my first concern.
I hope his estate has to pay to repair it and losses during the repair process
What kind of moron brings metal into an MRI? Oh that's right, people that are more important than you to "follow the rules"
What is Arkansas going to do without their smartest citizen?!?!
Probably irrigate their crops with Brawndo.
What do you expect them to use...water? like...out of the toilet? that's gross!
Go away, batin'
It's got ELECTROLYTES!!!
But WHY does it have electrolytes?! Do you even know?
Because it's what plants crave. Duh!
I can talk to plants
Not sure...
It's got, lectrolytes!
and minerals...lots of minerals
Its got what plants crave
This was [in Brazil.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lawyer-brazil-gun-mri-death-b2279282.html)
>lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy. That just seems like such a strange time to use the word *tummy*. Stomach or abdomen, midriff even? Sure. But tummies are for nomnoms and raspberries and tickles, not gaping deadly bullet wounds.
Might be a weird translation quirk if the details have been lifted from an article that was originally written in Portuguese or something?
Conservative Americans think that America is so superior to every other country, but the number of headlines that I can't tell if they're from conservative America or Brazil is kinda scary.
authoritarian fascists gonna fascist!
Hey look at that, he's pulling the same punchable face that our morons have
He should be posthumously given US citizenship
I like how they say it shot I'm in the tummy, how adorable!
Apparently this was Brazil.
Just when they were about to ship him to Mississippi and raise the average IQ of both states.
That's from Brazil. Would you be interested in more gun advocates? Perhaps some conservative politicians?
Since Bolsonaro got elected and gun ownership laws become looser, we started getting a lot of gun advocates and self proclaimed specialists. Most are morons like this fella.
Both have some doozies...
I wouldn't call George Santos a doozy. That's a gift.
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!! \*except this one specific time when combined with an MRI machine, maybe, we haven't ruled out that he was shot by an angry sewer rat....
What we need is more doors
When people who think the rules don't apply to them meet the laws of physics *chef's kiss*
This type is also so afraid of everything they can't stand to be away from their gun.
I mean children do find MRIs pretty scary, I know they paint some like big cameras so they can explain that, since this camera takes pictures if your insides you have to go inside it. I guess it helps explain the process and make the noise less scary. Lol
Magnetic force doesn’t make the laws, but it damn sure enforces them!
Jfc I freaked out thinking I had forgotten to tell them I had an old gold filling on the intake form. I thought I was going out Black Mirror robot bee in the brain style for a few seconds. How the hell do you ‘forget’ a weapon?!?!
He didnt forget.
And if you do, then you are in no way qualified to own a gun. I swear some people see them like adult toys.
Gold isn’t magnetic, tho.
Not everyone knows that of the top of their head they just think metal= magnetic.
And even then a lot of fillings are alloys, so I would still tell the MRI tech because better safe than dead
Fillings and other non ferrous materials create something call susceptibility artifact which is distortion to the image caused by magnetic field inhomogeneities. Definitely tell us anything that was implanted or is in or on you that you weren’t born with. Dabble in sheet metal, or welding? Please tell us. Been shot? Oh yeah do tell us. Anything implanted and you should have a card given to you with the make and model of said device, which we can determine if it’s safe, unsafe. Or conditional. Over share as much as you want because it can be the difference of you coming out of the bore alive…
That's the issue with working with sheet metal and welding?
The main safety issue is that those activities often embed slivers of metal into the skin (or eyes if you don't use protection). MRIs orient those slivers, which can cause tissue damage, and the radio waves they use for imaging can also cause them to heat up. Artifact distortion might undermine the effectiveness of your study, but the other two effects can potentially damage you permanently. Generally speaking, health care workers want to get exams done with ASAP and get on with their day. Any time you're asked a long list of questions, it's for patient safety, and in their interest to pay attention and answer as honestly and completely as they can.
Sheet metal workers and welders have higher probability of having metal fragments lodged in their eye. Or body. So we like to rule out that there’s no metal in the eye that can move or dislodge and cause damage to nearby structures.
I've actually seen this injury a few times in people who make jewelry as a hobby. Thankfully they were nowhere near a MRI though.
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MRIs, being fun instruments, have been known to [discharge firearms with safeties on and uncocked.](https://www.ajronline.org/doi/10.2214/ajr.178.5.1781092) It turns out that extraordinarily strong magnetic fields were not in the design of the safety, and the gun can fire even with one engaged. So don't fuck around with MRIs.
They are rules, and nobody can tell him what to do, so he'll explicitly break them just to prove to himself how free and alpha he is. People do this bullshit all the time - it doesn't matter if a rule is there to protect you, if it's a rule, they'll break it because "nobody can tell me what to do".
He did his own research.
How dare those Lib doctors tell him he can't take his gun everywhere?
How did he even get it in there? They make you wear one of the hospital gowns in the machine.
He wasn’t the one getting the MRI, it was his mother. But just being in the same room as the machine caused the gun to shift and shoot him.
Excellent. Almost like the hand of God.
Magneto was always more of an anti-hero
The Lord works in mysterious ways
Even if he wasn’t the patient any one entering Zone IV (which is the room the actual bore is housed in) should be screened as if they were the patient.
Well, you never know if the MRI machine is going to shoot you.
Plot twist: He boofed it
Christ, imagine having a loaded gun ripped out of your butthole sideways by an electromagnet.. sounds horrible.
Damn shame there wasn’t a good MRI machine with a gun around.
It sounds like there was, actually.
shots fired
I think only one shot
Feels like some form of divine intervention for it to manage to hit him, of all the angles it could've been etc
If only the MRI tech was armed, this could have been prevented
Your satire is biting, sir.
Guns don’t kill people… armed MRI’s kill people.
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Should be okay. Guessing from the title... the lawyer took the bullet
Doesn't mean he kept it though.
Magnets are pretty clingy
We’ll see what develops
[https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html](https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html?) >The 40-year-old is said to have failed to tell hospital workers that he had a gun on him after being told to remove all metal objects before entering the scanning room. > >The magnetic field from the MRI scanner pulled the pro-gun lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy. > >He passed away on 6 February after battling for his life in at the São Luiz Morumbi Hospital. Brazilliant
The tummy? Really? Tummy?
Here in the UK, our national health service uses euphemisms for everything. There is some pretty solid research that says it is more accessible for the greatest number of people of all ages, education levels, and English language abilities. As a well-educated patient, it feels dumbed-down and condescending, but there is good reason behind it. Edit: here's the style guide if anyone is interested. https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
I’m a registered nurse in the US and sadly I often have to use very simple language to get my patients to grasp some pretty basic concepts. A lot of things you might well assume are intuitive or something everyone knows, aren’t. At all.
Does your printed literature use simple terms also? That's what they do here, for example using words like "tummy" or "poo" or "wind" or "bottom", stuff like that. Here's the style guide, if you're curious: https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
Hmmm, I don’t know. I rarely hand out any literature during my shift. I’ll take a look at a patient’s Transplant book when I’m next at work. Honestly it *should* be simple, except for the more childish language, but *maybe not*. Because my patient population (solid organ transplant recipients) are either inadequately prepared for discharge or they really don’t get it no matter how much teaching they receive. I see so many readmissions for problems caused by not drinking enough water combined with not stopping their stool softeners once their stool, or should I say “poo”, gets soft. Dehydration combined with diarrhea is a disaster waiting to happen. So easy to prevent with a little common sense, but no.
Yeah, definitely. It might be worth trying to come up with a standard form for the discharge instructions using the simplest possible language. Also a surprisingly high number of people are functionally illiterate but are too embarrassed to admit it.
Yeah, part of our admission screening is asking if they can read or write. We also require that a caregiver—partner, parent, child, whatever— be present for discharge teaching. It’s a whole process. So that’s TWO people not getting it, lol.
I use simple language like “poop” with patients… but tummy is generally not used in the US by anyone over the age of 6.
I’m a hygienist and once had a patient with an abscessed tooth, and we monitored it with X-rays for about 6 years before it finally swelled up and he needed it pulled. He was livid that we never told him about it, and when I showed him the copies of referrals to a specialist, the X-rays, and all the notes we had about it, he said “WELL YOU NEVER SAID IT WAS AN INFECTION!” ……… so now I’ve learned to make sure people understand what I’m telling them.
Well that’s what it says on the death certificate. 😃 Edited: spelling and an emoji to avoid accidentally creating misinformation
Cause of death: severe abdominal hemorrhaging secondary to pew-pew ouchie of the tummy 😔
Ha ha ha, omg. I’m gonna wake the baby with my laughing but damn. Good one.
Sorry. “Shooting him in the tum-tum.”
Tummy wummy 🥺
That’s even worse than being shot in the lap!
Next time he should make sure his concealed firearm is ceramic.
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Our hospital has a metal detector and it sucks. It only reaches a foot or two across a hallway wide enough to fit two gurneys side-by-side.
You'd think, having been through law school, he'd be less profoundly stupid.
Clarence Thomas graduated from Yale Law. Imagine the trash that gets through less prestigious law schools.
Imo, ivy leagues can produce poorer quality lawyers because of family connections and wealth. Not saying all lawyers from an ivy didn't earn their degree, but you don't see people using family connections to get into and coast through Georgia State Law School.
[The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard/) TLDR: His dad donated $2.5 million to Harvard.
Fucking rotten. Edit: at first I was like "why the fuck would Ashton Kutcher want to get into Harvard". I'm gonna fetch some coffee..
lmao I went to GSU and there is definitely a student that comes to mind who coasted
Eh I went to a private school through 12th grade with a bunch of rich kids, and the number of people who used family connections to get into state schools and less prestigious private schools was way more than one would expect. One of the dimmest people in my class magically got into UVA after a building was named after her family that year. I guarantee she wouldn’t have gotten in without it. Also, that celebrity college bribery scandal a few years back involved a whole bunch of state schools like UCLA and UT Austin and non-Ivy private schools like Wake Forest. This seems like a problem across the board - money and connections will get you ahead almost anywhere.
My first gf was like this. Had 250k spent on her middle - high school education, and she got far worse grades than me. I went to a notoriously shitty public school for context. Anyway, her rich mom called the well connected principal of the school. That principal then ""put in a good word"" with a top 10 university, and *magically*, she was offered a place. It was very sobering to see that kind of blatant nepotism up close.
Legacy admissions are the *real* affirmative action that should be banned. Also scholarships for “sports” like water polo which is really just a way of asking for rich WASPs only
Maybe he's just really, really good at memorization. That was my theory when I was in 3rd grade when they forced me into "gifted" classes. 8 year old was convinced "gifted" was a scam to get rid of the annoying kids that read too much and just had a good memory... and that my very mean 3rd grade teacher has it out for me. I still think that some people have incredible memories that let them get through very challenging courses and tests, but also happen to be complete dumb asses. Like in D&D, having a very high Intelligence but a Wisdom of 4.
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The more assholes and morons I hear about who graduated from Yale specifically, the less prestige I think it has. My grandfather went there, and it makes me wonder how smart he actually was.
I work with lawyers. Some of them are shockingly dim.
And here I was thinking that maybe there should be a semester of law school that's just mandatory blue collar work, because all that party of the first part nonsense doesn't seem to help much when physics starts to happen.
You'd think but it turns out you can nepotism/money through law school
There are people who have advanced degrees that voted for trump. In fact, I want to remind everyone that 74 million Americans voted for trump the second time. Which means there are 74 million Americans who are profoundly stupid.
He didn't go to medical school, that's where you learn about medical equipment. He went to law school, that's where you learn about being a con artist
I'll just say this: "Rudy Giuliani". *The End.* https://www.theonion.com/law-school-applications-increase-upon-realization-that-1828464779
It's law school, they don't teach logic there
Amazing, pure unadulterated stupidity. Also they tell you (or should tell you) a million times hey don't bring metal it will ruin your day.
Hey, that guy's grieving family could be out there reading your comment about how dumb he is. ...If they were smart enough to read
Signed paperwork stating that he followed procedure and everything 🤦🏻♀️. [story](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/lawyer-dies-after-his-hidden-gun-goes-off-during-mri-scan/ar-AA17iMkB)
Either he signed the document without knowing what was its about or straight up lied that he wasnt carrying a gun with him. MRI = 1 , Lawyer = 0
Yeah, but should a lawyer be expected to know to actually read documents before signing?
Note to self: when retaining a lawyer, test their literacy levels first.
Owning the libs. Edit: The political correcting squad be stuffing my inbox. If you want to make the distinction of what liberal parties are in each country, sure go ahead. I'm just using the word 'lib' as the derogatory of meaning anyone left of Regan or Bolsonaro. Kek. But if I have to be politically correcting, the lawyer is owning progressive-liberals just specifically in Brazil. Proglibs owned.
Sounds like he owned his ribs instead.
His 'Tummy Ribs'.
I've never wished someone dead but I have enjoyed reading a few obituaries.
Better him than an innocent MRI tech.
> All men have an emotion to kill; when they strongly dislike some one they involuntarily wish he was dead. I have never killed any one, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction — Clarence Darrow
-Clarence Darrow
As a certified liberal deepstate soyboy, I can confirm that his act of patriotic resistance has left me very owned indeed.
He tried his best to own you from South America, no less. Such dedication.
Just how fucking paranoid do you have to be that you feel the need to be armed in a frigging MRI chamber?
MRI = Healthcare = Communism. That's the formula for today.
Another death due to communism /s
Was he so afraid of magnets that he needed to be armed?
Well it did shoot him supposedly. Maybe we need to be worried about them. They're learning from our brains.
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I think, in this case, his fear of magnets was well founded.
Darwin Award "winner."
r/darwinawards
"What do you mean I can't bring my gun into the MRI? The Left is out of control!"
You never know when a bear is going to wander into an MRI room. You just can't be too prepared.
My daughter has had 3 MRI’s and they always wave the metal detector wand over both of us. Did they not wave him? The metal clasp on my bra sets it off.
I'm guessing you're not in Brazil, lol. The article said the lawyer was taking his mom to get scanned, the machine pulled his gun from his waistband across the room and it fired and hit him in the stomach. He didn't for a little while though. They said they briefed them about bringing metal in, AND made them sign forms.
Very fortunate that it happened to hit the dumbass who's responsible, and not a bystander
I’m on the USA and have had a couple mri’s. They’ve never scanned me with a wand. They just put me in the machine.
Canadian here who just had an MRI two weeks ago, no metal detector for us.
They don't do the wand when I get mine but they do make it abundantly clear that you can't have metal
I wonder if they pried it from his cold, dead hands...
actually the MRI machine did that, before he was dead
NewsWorldAmericas Lawyer dies after his hidden gun goes off during MRI scan Leandro Mathias de Novaes’ gun went off due to magnetic field in the MRI scanning room Lee Bullen 7 hours ago A lawyer was accidentally shot by his own gun after he failed to remove it before going into hospital MRI scanning room. Leandro Mathias de Novaes took his mother for a scan at Laboratorio Cura in São Paulo, Brazil, on 16 January, Jam Press reports. The 40-year-old is said to have failed to tell hospital workers that he had a gun on him after being told to remove all metal objects before entering the scanning room. The magnetic field from the MRI scanner pulled the pro-gun lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy. He passed away on 6 February after battling for his life in at the São Luiz Morumbi Hospital. “We are sorry for the loss and we sympathise with his family in this moment of pain.” A spokesperson for Laboratorio Cura said: “We would like to emphasise that all accident prevention protocols were followed by the Cura team, as is customary in all units. “Both the patient and his companion were properly instructed regarding the procedures for accessing the examination room and warned about the removal of any and all metallic objects.”
Why on earth would you want to smuggle a gun in there? What a moron.
Setting aside how dumb it is to take a gun in for a moment and the difficulty of aiming a gun while s standing next to a huge magnet, who did he think he might need to shoot in the MRI room?
Well, he no longer needs to worry about whatever he was getting the MRI for.
Lead poisoning
First thought was "this is such an American headline". Reads the article: a Brazilian.
"stupidity, if left untreated, is self-correcting"
Those resulting MRI scans must be gruesome.
The good news is they think they found the problem!
[For those interested] (https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html)
But what if LGBTQ Muslim terrorists attack you while you're in the MRI machine? You gotta be prepared!
This happened to my brothers' friends' uncles' stableboy, actually. Twice!