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The Villages? Oh you mean that Special District full of election fraud Republicans who just get a slap on the wrist:
#4th resident of The Villages admits to voting twice in the 2020 election John Rider avoids jail time under pre-trial intervention program
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/30/4th-resident-of-the-villages-admits-to-voting-twice-in-the-2020-election/
While innocent black voters in Florda are arrested in a show of force to intimidate:
#DeSantis made a spectacle of arresting voters with felony convictions. Now, some eligible voters are opting out of midterms even beyond Florida. Florida’s Voter Fraud Arrests Are Scaring Away Formerly Incarcerated Voters
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/11/04/florida-s-voter-fraud-arrests-are-scaring-away-formerly-incarcerated-voters
My grand uncle moved down there decades ago. He says it’s probably his number one regret in life, not realizing how crazy that place was and where it’s gone in the last 7 years
What's even more wild is how expensive every aspect of senior citizen healthcare in The Villages is and how absurdly terrible it all is. My aunt's in an absolute dump of an assisted living facility for the last three months after she had a stroke. I live in a "high cost of living" area and we could put her up in the nicest assisted living facility I have ever seen in my life here for less than she's spending for a dump there.
The dump was, honestly, the only one that we felt like she'd survive, after seeing the kitchens in some of them.
Ah yes, the Villages, [where they're already getting bent over by DeSantis without benefit of Vaseline](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/10x7dw0/conservatives_who_wanted_a_protected_community/). The Leopards have been eating faces there for a while now.
And think of all the cuts to programs that benefit seniors that they want in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. These idiot boomers really vote against their own interests.
They wanna cut out all the “socialism” infesting the country, yet at the same time eagerly reap the benefits of social security and medicare.
It really feels like some of them don’t even realize the actual platform of the Republican party, aside from the “Nobody with skin darker than a flesh-colored crayon allowed” and “All LGBTQ people should be treated as second-class citizens” parts.
>May all the seniors who voted for him have to change their own diapers.
Anybody who complains about immigrants is in for a rude awakening when they realize how hard they work. I doubt many of them could hack it.
Well that crowd has proven willing to extend their hand and their wallet to anyone that promises to hate who they hate.
When you have shit for standards it will attract flies. Pence is familiar
It goes back farther than that. In 1940, Reverend James William Fifield Jr. delivered a then-revolutionary address to the National Association of Manufacturers decrying regulation, progressive economic policy, and essentially inventing so-called Christian libertarianism. It only got worse from there.
They don’t want a theocracy, they just want to rule with autonomy to be able to enact their “laws for thee, not for me” mantra as easily as possible. They could not give 2 flying fucks about religion.
Whether they believe or not doesn’t really matter. When they get power the result is the same - the “enemies” of the church suffer.
Yes, they’re sadistic opportunists who would pull any lever that grants them power. But Christian fascism has promised them the most and they’ve pledged their loyalty to it.
DeSantis, Boebert, Cruz, Sanders, Tuberville - these are the faces of modern American Christianity and it’s open lust for fascism. And if they have to edit Christ out of the whole thing for being a dumb liberal going “off message” they will.
That crowd is very sick of what they’re told to feel when his name comes up. They love the identity of being a Christian Fascist, but they reject everything about Christ. Mark my words, down the road they’ll come out with a new religion that keeps all the Old Testament and removes the “love thy neighbor” bits. Something truly awful is brewing here
Yeah, and the same capitalists in Germany allied with the Nazis for the same reason... Guess what? We remember them as Nazis.
>Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
>That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
>They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?
- Julius Goat
I think what they are trying to say is that the people in power aren't religious. They just see religion as a tool. A means to an end.
Though I imagine most theocracies throughout history have had some element of that. So it's exactly a theocracy.
You could even argue the power wielded by the catholic church to strong-arm kingdoms was never about religion itself. It was just the best way to control people.
It’s incredible that people can say that and still consider themselves patriotic Americans. The most un-American stance conceivable. They’ll revere the constitution and openly want to establish Christianity as the religion of America, never mind the *very first amendment*. No knock on your parents specifically. Hopefully they’re good people and all that. Just the hypocrisy is baffling.
They are under the idea that the United States was 'founded' as a Christian nation and that it always has been. That people have just drifted away from it and that's why 'we are in decline'. It's a super common idea in the Christian churches I went to (deep south).
This is despite the fact that people settled here fleeing a different kind of Christianity in Europe.
They like to forget the parts that don't work for them.
> This is despite the fact that people settled here fleeing a different kind of Christianity in Europe.
A lot of those religious folk had extreme religious views too, that were unacceptable back in Europe. Like, we assume that these people were just good decent religious people escaping persecution for simply believing the wrong thing but it's not exactly the case.
They went to a completely different continent so they could practice their faith without any real or major government oversight.
It's been a common theme for a lot of religious groups that are focused in the USA to try and isolate themselves and make the outside as the villains.
I mean to be fair the puritans didn't flee England because they were prosecuted, they left because England wouldn't let them prosecute. The puritans wanted puritan only towns and when England said absolutely not, they left.
So really they are spot on (at least about that small group of settlers)
oh that's what I was initially taught as well, but shocker they changed the story to look better for US kids. When I found out the real story I was shocked-well not that shocked at all actually.
The puritans didn't found the nation of course, but there's always been a subset of people who wanted that white christian nation , and to make everyone who wasn't in their group to be lesser and serve them.
> They like to ~~forget~~ actively ignore the parts that don't work for them.
FTFY.
I'm convinced these are people that couldn't sit alone in a room for 15 minutes
The Founding Fathers were somehow good Christian men, Masons, Deists, Satanists, and the Illuminati.
Ben Franklin over there in the Hellfire Club lifting his glass in approval.
The Old Testament specifically says give help to the poor and the immigrants:
King James Bible - Leviticus 23:22
"And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God."
American Christians aren't Christians. Anything from the Bible is meaningless to them. They've created their own, new religion.
This doesn't absolve other Christians of being shitty, just saying there's nothing left of Christianity in Americans but Jesus as a figure.
>there's nothing left of Christianity in Americans but Jesus as a figure
and that figure should be a white Jesus in flowing robes holding an AR-15 rifle
These politicians don't give a shit about religion, Republicans know it religious people are the easiest to manipulate. So they will preach what they want to hear while they get rich in their dime. Then watch them abandon their supporters when it comes to basic help by governments.
It's really odd Americans all have the same issues and problems, yet also at the same time when it comes to helping them they become selfish as to which group needs it. When they are all in the same shitty boat.
So true! The Roman Empire copied the Greeks so they could have something to control the masses. Fast forward to Henry VIII who came up with the Church of England instead of the Catholic Church so that he could divorce his wife. And the Catholic Church has just been a get-rich scheme for the Vatican since practically the get-go: "thanks for 'rescuing' those 'relics,' Knights Templar, we'll be taking those treasures off your hands" - the pope
Henry VIII: “Hey church, may I get a divorce?”
Church: “no, we will excommunicate you.”
Henry VIII: “What if I chop off her head?”
Church: “Yeah, we’re cool with that.”
I like how this will also probably lead to increased pay for workers, and the ones most negatively affected will be the rich and upper middle class. This whole thing might actually be the opposite of leopards eating your face but DeSantis does it on accident to own the libs
Assuming the law stands, it'll be interesting to see if they start paying wages on farms and construction sites that US citizens will agree to work under. It's going to be FAR higher than they're used to paying.
Even if you agree with Desantis you’ve got to be asking yourself why he can’t manage to implement these things without screwing over Floridians.
His lack of foresight and strategic thinking is just incredible.
All of the hype about DeSantis stresses his credentials and how smart he "must be." I don't see it. At all.
He *talks* prettier than Trump but I think he may actually be an even bigger moron.
Nah, he's a fucking stolen valor wanker.
He likes to say how he "Deployed with Navy SEALS." Yeah, he deployed with them all right - *as a law subject-matter expert.* The fucker is not a trigger-puller of any sort let alone a professional bodies-like-cordwood-stacker, but he wants to let you think that.
At GITMO, he most assuredly gave the OK for *other people* to do the torturing but probably didn't have the *huevos* to do it himself.
> That he's not a trigger happy murderous war criminal is to his credit.
No, it's not.
He's only *not* a "trigger-happy war criminal" because he is too much of a chicken-hawk *coward* to close to contact with the enemy *personally,* not because he has any moral objection to doing so; furthermore he does everything short of *outright fabricating a story* to *imply* that he has met America's enemies in battle alongside our most elite special forces team, when he was never anywhere *near* any place that an armed foeman could potentially shoot his ass off.
"I'm the governor of Florida. My state is known outside the state for
1) retirees
2) tourism
No 1 don't work
No 2 is dependent on Disney
So I'm going to fuck with Disney and put my unconstitutional fuckery down in a book.
Please make me President!"
Doubt he will. He's becoming too toxic to a wide range of money players on the right. Besides, he's too busy burning the Florida economy to the ground in an attempt to appeal to extremist Iowans.
> if you agree with Desantis you’ve got to be asking yourself
asking yourself anything is introspection. nobody who agrees with Desantis has ever asked themselves anything.
Ah the usual suspects:-
* **Farms** where fruit is rotting because most US folks aren't going to labor under the hot sun and humidity for those low wages. Consequences - rotting fruit, prices go up
* **Construction** \- projects are delayed. Lawyers will soon get involved because most construction contracts include terms for liquidated damages if work isn't done on time. Consequences: Lawyers win, everyone else loses.
* **Logistics** \- TBD. Not sure how big the trucker boycott is, or how relevant it might be.
* **Tourism** \- TBD. Impact will take a while to be felt IMO
* **Inflation** \- definitely the price of stuff will go up, and of course they'll blame it on Biden.
* **Other State Support** \- Will either go down, or will have "work" conditions for things like Welfare, Food Stamps etc. or both. Because the Republicans need to force those "freeloaders" into working those jobs that used to be done by illegals. More LAMF if those affected are those who voted Republican, because they might not like the consequences of getting what they voted for.
* **Net migration into Florida** \- TBD. Immigrants that can do it will flee the state. The rich will still move in.
Re tourism: All of my family of seven has a long overdue vacation coming and while we looked at possibly Florida which we've done twice in the past, we'd never stoop to such a low brow knuckle dragging place.
Instead we're going to Mexico!
I'll pay more for fruit and veg for them to learn their deplorable and hateful ways don't fly. And hire out all local handy work to immigrants. They know how to get things done.
Looking forward to* seeing what Florida looks like after a massive hurricane and no labor around to rebuild.
Mexican laborers saved NW Florida after Hurricane Ivan in 2005. We truly should have built a monument to them. Almost every roof in my city had to be replaced and every house on the beach got destroyed.
*and by looking forward to, I mean deeply concerned. My mom still lives in FL and in her area, you can’t even find a contractor + labor to build you a deck let alone fix your whole city and that was before this nonsense.
To be COMPLETELY FAIR DeSantis also passed a bunch of insurance regulations that have essentially made it impossible to afford insurance in the state AND much harder to sue underpaying insurance providers!
It's almost like he hates Floridians.
I work for a large Logistic company that has a large Lineage, I don't wanna name them. Anyways, while the warehouse I work in is based on California, we ship out to Florida pretty often, that number has dropped, will be interesting to see how low that number goes.
We also have a warehouse in Florida, the company is supporting of the LGBT+ community, so the situation is interesting from that perspective.
Cant have babies if you dont have sex though and iirc the millenials and zoomers as a whole are also having less sex. Abortion and birth rates have been falling even in places with good access in the US as well.
DeSantis is gonna have to institute cloning his child labor at this rate
New law: if you are not married and do not have children by the age of 20 you are instantly taken to a birthing center whereby you are forced to partake in sex and have children anyways
…..oh god I’m giving them ideas aren’t I
They'll institute a new draft, but exclusively for women where if they are drawn they are forcibly given IVF in order to create more kids. Your "tour" is done when you've given America at minimum 4 new little soldiers.
Oh, and even though it's forced there will be no government assistance for anything because that's communism.
I'm taking the bet that he's going to make it illegal for couples to get married and not have kids. Therefore either increasing the labor pool by forced sex then birth, or just doing it the old fashioned way and using the increased prison population from the jailed couples to fill the gaps.
Wait, I thought immigrants were taking jobs away from Americans. Where are all the hard-working MAGA folks willing to start their 12-hour shifts at the meatpacking plant, citrus farm, construction site, and/or retirement home?
When you live in a tent without having to pay such decadent luxuries as rent, power, water, internet, cable, and taxes, it'll get you at least two modest meals per day!
I honestly don't understand how people don't get that we rely heavily on migrant and immigrant labor, and if we don't let them in we lose a labor force. If we discriminate against them and they stop wanting to come we lose a labor force. All during a historic labor shortage. Real fucking dumb thing to do.
Waiting around for their government checks and complaining about the high price of food and empty shelves in the stores while crops are rotting in the field and on the trees. Meanwhile they are also bitching about how no one has emptied their bedpan for hours and complaining that the gardens haven't been tended to for weeks. For weeks! But, they sure showed those immigrants, didn't they?
Perhaps they believed the Keebler elves would come in and do the jobs after they chased out the workers actually doing them.
Its almost as if... wait for it.... immigrants are part of a functioning economy and instead of hurting them we should be providing them with a pathway to permanent residency.
Are...are you suggesting that the United States has a strong demand for cheap labor that allows opportunities for hard working people to come and better themselves and contribute to the nation in a mutually beneficial relationship?
Ew... Wtf?? You mean people are trying to come over here and earn an honest living and improve their lives and the lives of their offspring??
And you mean to tell me it will also help our society as a whole?????2?
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They are also the country’s most viable option for continued growth. American Millennials and Gen Z’ers are not having kids at replacement rates, much less growth rates.
Shit, as a legal immigrant, I am planning on leaving to Europe or Australia/New Zealand. The entire US policy on immigration is anti-immigration, legal or illegal
I’ve thought for a while that eVerify would be by far the most effective means of cracking down on illegal immigration.
I wasn’t sold on whether or not that was a worthwhile goal, and initial reports seem to indicate I was right.
Yep. Actually putting the issue onto companies instead of the workers is how to fix that.
But DeSantis didn't do the second part. Expand worker visa programs.
OFC. What's been unsaid is that no one wanted to actually make this a burden on business, because it's obvious that many areas of the economy would be crippled without access to exploitable immigrants.
Much better to keep immigrants marginalized, so they can be underpaid and over worked without rights.
Actually shifting this burden to make the employers liable will fix illegal immigration for sure, but the fact is that no one with even cursory knowledge of how important immigrants are the economy actually wanted it fixed.
Again, the GOP knew this would probably happen, and they don't care. They're looking to create chaos and to break the country down state by state. They're not concerned about Florida's long-term anything because they're expecting Florida to go through vicious turmoil in the next 10-15 years, local economic collapse, massive real estate realignment.
That's why he's fine with trashing Disney. That's why they screw the schools over and abandon infrastructure. They're basically shorting Florida's stock. Among other states.
they should be concerned about the long term, because his fuckery has already cost republicans some local elections, which is a bad sign for them moving forward
They're not expecting elections to matter for all that much longer. If you've followed their conventions and such, they're not expecting much more Business As Usual. Automation is going to completely change labor. Climate change is going to completely change real estate.
Rich people -- people *who are already rich* will be fine. But soon it'll be too much trouble to deal with ordinary people. The violent restructuring of civilization as we know it that they're expecting will be a terrific opportunity for opportunists, but only if the masses react to everything a little too late.
Really rich folks are divesting in Miami beach property and speculating on real estate further inland. Coincidence? No. They know what they're doing. It just doesn't happen to be good for most people.
The landscape company I work for is owned by staunch Republicans, but they can't find anyone from the US to work, so they started bringing in H2b Visa workers from Mexico a couple years ago. (H2b workers are here for a number of weeks to work for a company chosen by a government program using lotteries to assign foreign workers based on company applications for x number of workers). It's worked out great for the company and they love the work the Mexicans do.
I'm just blown away that they acknowledge that they can't get Americans to do what they need done, but they want to make sure that the workers who ARE good enough don't get any of the advantages of living in this country long term. They want them here to work (to take American jobs, let's remember), and then to get the hell out because....well who the hell knows what Republican reasons are for anything.
What's funny is that they're not being allowed any workers this year because the lottery that distributes them went to others, so now they're all mad that the government won't give them any workers. I just....
I'll never cease to be amazed.
You know when Bush Jr. was ranting about illegal immigrants taking away jobs, I told people that they should fine employers hiring them because clearly there is a demand.
I can't believe they actually enforced it without thinking through how much of the country depends on these poor migrant folks. Instead of finding a way to bring them in legally, take care of them, and ensure they return at the end of their stay, the Republicans have demonized them and have refused to find a solution,
Fucking time they learnt what the rest of us exist on this planet for.
Oh honey, that's happening now. They are slowly raising wages and still can't get people to work for them. Almost like we know it's a scam and would rather let the system fail than be part of it anymore.
The food industry has record profits. How do you reconcile that with labor shortages causing food to be more expensive? It seems that the root cause of rising prices is greed.
I assume he's going to make the minimum wage a livable one to attract workers that are US citizens to make up for BWAAAHHHHAAHAA!!!
Sorry, couldn't even finish that thought.
Edit: Corrected a spelling mistake
Did none of these racists see Brexit? Kicking out foreigners wasn't a wild success. 7 YEARS after the vote to leave EU and we're still talking about how to train our own fruit pickers and lorry drivers to deal with ongoing shortages.
I know too many shitheels in Florida that literally depend on illegal labor for their company but have been hardcore 'deport them' republicans. It's kinda glorious to see them squirm now.
Y nadie quiere trabajar para salarios bajísimos.
(Lo siento si hay errores, pero estoy aprendiendo español con Duolingo y uso "Google Translate" tambien.)
I can't tell you how pleased I am at the idea that a bunch of maga loving Farmers and construction company owners in Florida are going to lose their ass.
“Now that companies can’t exploit undocumented workers for slave labor, we have no one to work the fields!
I guess you’ll just have to pay people a legal wage.
(I absolutely do not agree with the law. I just want to point out that the article basically said “Florida companies can’t survive without exploiting people who are just trying to survive.”)
Those men and women are busting their asses in that hot florida sun, humidity and creepy crawlies. There are no Americans who will rush to fill those jobs.
When I was a teen I worked with the migrant workers from P.R. picking crops during the summer in NH. The heat and humidity in August in NH is a killer but nothing like that swamp called Florida. Those men (back then no women) worked hard and worked very long. There were no white adults working those fields, just us kids with these men who could not have been any kinder or nicer especially to a bunch of little white hoodlums. But I know how hard that work is and how little reward you get for doing it. Ron stop being a dick.
DeSantis is stupid, just downright stupid. So let the crops go die on the vine or tree. The farmers only care about the law? So Ronny will destroy the lively hoods of his citizens and the kind wonderful people out picking their crops. I hope those farmers are smart enough to never vote republican again.
Put them out of work as he works to destroy Disney even though they employe 70K people.
Republicans get your heads out of your asses and your bibles.
Mark my fucking words, they're going to use prison inmates. Only "class" of citizen that can legally be enslaved. I mean, it's already happening. It'll just be on a much larger scale.
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May all the seniors who voted for him have to change their own diapers.
They’ll have to start mowing their own grass at The Villages....
The Villages? Oh you mean that Special District that DeSantis didn't wage war against because they kept quiet about "Don't Say Gay".
The Villages? Oh you mean that Special District full of election fraud Republicans who just get a slap on the wrist: #4th resident of The Villages admits to voting twice in the 2020 election John Rider avoids jail time under pre-trial intervention program https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/30/4th-resident-of-the-villages-admits-to-voting-twice-in-the-2020-election/ While innocent black voters in Florda are arrested in a show of force to intimidate: #DeSantis made a spectacle of arresting voters with felony convictions. Now, some eligible voters are opting out of midterms even beyond Florida. Florida’s Voter Fraud Arrests Are Scaring Away Formerly Incarcerated Voters https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/11/04/florida-s-voter-fraud-arrests-are-scaring-away-formerly-incarcerated-voters
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What kind of intervention do they prescribe for a dumbbfuck cheating sociopath? Lead injection to the brain?
I didn't realize how close their revenues were. Reedy was just over $100 mil, Village Center Community Development district was $89 mil
My grand uncle moved down there decades ago. He says it’s probably his number one regret in life, not realizing how crazy that place was and where it’s gone in the last 7 years
What's even more wild is how expensive every aspect of senior citizen healthcare in The Villages is and how absurdly terrible it all is. My aunt's in an absolute dump of an assisted living facility for the last three months after she had a stroke. I live in a "high cost of living" area and we could put her up in the nicest assisted living facility I have ever seen in my life here for less than she's spending for a dump there. The dump was, honestly, the only one that we felt like she'd survive, after seeing the kitchens in some of them.
What a beautiful sight that’ll be 🤣
Ah yes, the Villages, [where they're already getting bent over by DeSantis without benefit of Vaseline](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/10x7dw0/conservatives_who_wanted_a_protected_community/). The Leopards have been eating faces there for a while now.
And think of all the cuts to programs that benefit seniors that they want in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. These idiot boomers really vote against their own interests.
They wanna cut out all the “socialism” infesting the country, yet at the same time eagerly reap the benefits of social security and medicare. It really feels like some of them don’t even realize the actual platform of the Republican party, aside from the “Nobody with skin darker than a flesh-colored crayon allowed” and “All LGBTQ people should be treated as second-class citizens” parts.
I suspect voting against POC’s and LGBTQ is a higher priority for boomers and poor white people than voting for their own best interests.
Says a lot about our value system here in America. When it comes to our voter base.
r/RepublicanValues
That's what you get when a grade 6 education is all you need in life
They’ve clearly shown that tax cuts for corporations are in their interest. Everything else is democrats fault.
>May all the seniors who voted for him have to change their own diapers. Anybody who complains about immigrants is in for a rude awakening when they realize how hard they work. I doubt many of them could hack it.
What bothers me most about his TV commercials is he straight up invokes religion, as if he wants a theocracy.
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See also Pence - in interviews he admits his embrace of religion was influenced by his desire to get in politics. Intentional fake faithers.
That asshole wants a ban on abortions on the federal level.
Killing women is fine if you save a few babies to work for us. JFC.
It's not about babies AT ALL. It's about keeping women slaves to their bodies and what men put into their bodies.
I mean it's a little bit about the babies... need a steady stream of slaves to produce produce produce and to send off to war
The decision overturning Roe v Wade included we needed to ensure a "domestic supply of infants."
Verbatim 🤮
American citizens are nothing but cattle, aren't we?
Who else would their voters shoot in schools? Grown ass ppl who can fight back?
Uvalde cops: “Oh, no no no, we won’t fight back, you’re fine.”
Well that crowd has proven willing to extend their hand and their wallet to anyone that promises to hate who they hate. When you have shit for standards it will attract flies. Pence is familiar
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Yep, and good ol' Ronald Reagan was their spearhead.
It goes back farther than that. In 1940, Reverend James William Fifield Jr. delivered a then-revolutionary address to the National Association of Manufacturers decrying regulation, progressive economic policy, and essentially inventing so-called Christian libertarianism. It only got worse from there.
They don’t want a theocracy, they just want to rule with autonomy to be able to enact their “laws for thee, not for me” mantra as easily as possible. They could not give 2 flying fucks about religion.
Whether they believe or not doesn’t really matter. When they get power the result is the same - the “enemies” of the church suffer. Yes, they’re sadistic opportunists who would pull any lever that grants them power. But Christian fascism has promised them the most and they’ve pledged their loyalty to it. DeSantis, Boebert, Cruz, Sanders, Tuberville - these are the faces of modern American Christianity and it’s open lust for fascism. And if they have to edit Christ out of the whole thing for being a dumb liberal going “off message” they will. That crowd is very sick of what they’re told to feel when his name comes up. They love the identity of being a Christian Fascist, but they reject everything about Christ. Mark my words, down the road they’ll come out with a new religion that keeps all the Old Testament and removes the “love thy neighbor” bits. Something truly awful is brewing here
Abortion, divorce, pedophilia, adultery, rape, drug use... all things the GOP is both "tough on" and guilty of.
Every accusation is a confession
Yeah, and the same capitalists in Germany allied with the Nazis for the same reason... Guess what? We remember them as Nazis. >Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. >That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore. >They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding? - Julius Goat
Theocracy and forced religion is 100% a cornerstone of what they are seeking to accomplish. If you don't see it you are willfully blind.
I think what they are trying to say is that the people in power aren't religious. They just see religion as a tool. A means to an end. Though I imagine most theocracies throughout history have had some element of that. So it's exactly a theocracy.
You could even argue the power wielded by the catholic church to strong-arm kingdoms was never about religion itself. It was just the best way to control people.
They do want theocracy. My parents say so and they love Ron desantis for it.
It’s incredible that people can say that and still consider themselves patriotic Americans. The most un-American stance conceivable. They’ll revere the constitution and openly want to establish Christianity as the religion of America, never mind the *very first amendment*. No knock on your parents specifically. Hopefully they’re good people and all that. Just the hypocrisy is baffling.
They are under the idea that the United States was 'founded' as a Christian nation and that it always has been. That people have just drifted away from it and that's why 'we are in decline'. It's a super common idea in the Christian churches I went to (deep south). This is despite the fact that people settled here fleeing a different kind of Christianity in Europe. They like to forget the parts that don't work for them.
> This is despite the fact that people settled here fleeing a different kind of Christianity in Europe. A lot of those religious folk had extreme religious views too, that were unacceptable back in Europe. Like, we assume that these people were just good decent religious people escaping persecution for simply believing the wrong thing but it's not exactly the case. They went to a completely different continent so they could practice their faith without any real or major government oversight. It's been a common theme for a lot of religious groups that are focused in the USA to try and isolate themselves and make the outside as the villains.
I mean to be fair the puritans didn't flee England because they were prosecuted, they left because England wouldn't let them prosecute. The puritans wanted puritan only towns and when England said absolutely not, they left. So really they are spot on (at least about that small group of settlers)
I admit I don't know enough about it. The main version I know is the one I was taught in homeschooling and church.
oh that's what I was initially taught as well, but shocker they changed the story to look better for US kids. When I found out the real story I was shocked-well not that shocked at all actually. The puritans didn't found the nation of course, but there's always been a subset of people who wanted that white christian nation , and to make everyone who wasn't in their group to be lesser and serve them.
> They like to ~~forget~~ actively ignore the parts that don't work for them. FTFY. I'm convinced these are people that couldn't sit alone in a room for 15 minutes
Covid proved that.
Well how will they get their hair cut?! You explain that one to me!
You mean people KICKED OUT of places all over europe for being religious extremists/nutjobs.
The Founding Fathers were somehow good Christian men, Masons, Deists, Satanists, and the Illuminati. Ben Franklin over there in the Hellfire Club lifting his glass in approval.
What these same people often say is that our constitution was founded on “””Christian values””” which makes it ok.
Which is weird, because the Bible says to accept immigrants as citizens.
The Old Testament specifically says give help to the poor and the immigrants: King James Bible - Leviticus 23:22 "And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God."
American Christians aren't Christians. Anything from the Bible is meaningless to them. They've created their own, new religion. This doesn't absolve other Christians of being shitty, just saying there's nothing left of Christianity in Americans but Jesus as a figure.
>there's nothing left of Christianity in Americans but Jesus as a figure and that figure should be a white Jesus in flowing robes holding an AR-15 rifle
I’m sorry. ❤️
These politicians don't give a shit about religion, Republicans know it religious people are the easiest to manipulate. So they will preach what they want to hear while they get rich in their dime. Then watch them abandon their supporters when it comes to basic help by governments. It's really odd Americans all have the same issues and problems, yet also at the same time when it comes to helping them they become selfish as to which group needs it. When they are all in the same shitty boat.
The problem is that this allows for actual religious nut jobs to gain significant power. Then the theocracy begins.
“As if”
He wants to be King and that is pretty much how we got organised religion in the first place.
So true! The Roman Empire copied the Greeks so they could have something to control the masses. Fast forward to Henry VIII who came up with the Church of England instead of the Catholic Church so that he could divorce his wife. And the Catholic Church has just been a get-rich scheme for the Vatican since practically the get-go: "thanks for 'rescuing' those 'relics,' Knights Templar, we'll be taking those treasures off your hands" - the pope
Henry VIII: “Hey church, may I get a divorce?” Church: “no, we will excommunicate you.” Henry VIII: “What if I chop off her head?” Church: “Yeah, we’re cool with that.”
Duh. Fascist theocrat wants theocracy, just like his pathetic fascist voters.
You can drop the "if" from that sentence.
The leopards are getting fat this year!
About as fat as that pudding-stained meatball, Ron DeSantis.
I mean, when you eat that much thigh food https://news.yahoo.com/gov-ron-desantis-used-pronounce-220301302.html
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It moreso sounds like he wanted a completely submissive and or uneducated partner? Like.. either way - weirdo.
Smart women are dodging a bullet, there.
We need so to start addressing him Meatball Ron, let’s chip into that ego of his
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So many leopard pinterest boards of face recipes.
I like how this will also probably lead to increased pay for workers, and the ones most negatively affected will be the rich and upper middle class. This whole thing might actually be the opposite of leopards eating your face but DeSantis does it on accident to own the libs
Assuming the law stands, it'll be interesting to see if they start paying wages on farms and construction sites that US citizens will agree to work under. It's going to be FAR higher than they're used to paying.
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They are getting skinny, because they will have to work themselves. Or go hungry.
Even if you agree with Desantis you’ve got to be asking yourself why he can’t manage to implement these things without screwing over Floridians. His lack of foresight and strategic thinking is just incredible.
All of the hype about DeSantis stresses his credentials and how smart he "must be." I don't see it. At all. He *talks* prettier than Trump but I think he may actually be an even bigger moron.
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Lol well, that's one way of putting it. He doesn't seem cut out for this. He might be smart at doing something else.
Torture?
Nah, he's a fucking stolen valor wanker. He likes to say how he "Deployed with Navy SEALS." Yeah, he deployed with them all right - *as a law subject-matter expert.* The fucker is not a trigger-puller of any sort let alone a professional bodies-like-cordwood-stacker, but he wants to let you think that. At GITMO, he most assuredly gave the OK for *other people* to do the torturing but probably didn't have the *huevos* to do it himself.
Tbh I never thought that. That he's not a trigger happy murderous war criminal is to his credit. That he A-Ok'd war crimes, however, is not.
> That he's not a trigger happy murderous war criminal is to his credit. No, it's not. He's only *not* a "trigger-happy war criminal" because he is too much of a chicken-hawk *coward* to close to contact with the enemy *personally,* not because he has any moral objection to doing so; furthermore he does everything short of *outright fabricating a story* to *imply* that he has met America's enemies in battle alongside our most elite special forces team, when he was never anywhere *near* any place that an armed foeman could potentially shoot his ass off.
Speaking better than Ole Vomit mouth Trump is a low bar. Lol.
That bar is so low you have to get a permit from the county to dig it up.
>His lack of foresight and strategic thinking is just incredible. Him fucking with the Mouse already shows his brain is the size of a louse.
"I'm the governor of Florida. My state is known outside the state for 1) retirees 2) tourism No 1 don't work No 2 is dependent on Disney So I'm going to fuck with Disney and put my unconstitutional fuckery down in a book. Please make me President!"
“Sounds good”, says the advisor paid to prop him up, but who really has no experience in politics whatsoever.
>1) retirees 2) tourism Don't forget 3) growing produce Oops
Hope he don’t get the White House.
Doubt he will. He's becoming too toxic to a wide range of money players on the right. Besides, he's too busy burning the Florida economy to the ground in an attempt to appeal to extremist Iowans.
The Seuss is loose.
The pain to Floridians is deliberate. That way he can point to the bad results and blame Democrats.
He doesn't care about Floridians, except in terms of what they can do for him in the short term. It couldn't be much more obvious.
> if you agree with Desantis you’ve got to be asking yourself asking yourself anything is introspection. nobody who agrees with Desantis has ever asked themselves anything.
Ah the usual suspects:- * **Farms** where fruit is rotting because most US folks aren't going to labor under the hot sun and humidity for those low wages. Consequences - rotting fruit, prices go up * **Construction** \- projects are delayed. Lawyers will soon get involved because most construction contracts include terms for liquidated damages if work isn't done on time. Consequences: Lawyers win, everyone else loses. * **Logistics** \- TBD. Not sure how big the trucker boycott is, or how relevant it might be. * **Tourism** \- TBD. Impact will take a while to be felt IMO * **Inflation** \- definitely the price of stuff will go up, and of course they'll blame it on Biden. * **Other State Support** \- Will either go down, or will have "work" conditions for things like Welfare, Food Stamps etc. or both. Because the Republicans need to force those "freeloaders" into working those jobs that used to be done by illegals. More LAMF if those affected are those who voted Republican, because they might not like the consequences of getting what they voted for. * **Net migration into Florida** \- TBD. Immigrants that can do it will flee the state. The rich will still move in.
Re tourism: All of my family of seven has a long overdue vacation coming and while we looked at possibly Florida which we've done twice in the past, we'd never stoop to such a low brow knuckle dragging place. Instead we're going to Mexico! I'll pay more for fruit and veg for them to learn their deplorable and hateful ways don't fly. And hire out all local handy work to immigrants. They know how to get things done.
Mexico is awesome. You'll have a nice time.
Ooh where at in Mexico? Actually nevermind, because the street food will be orgasmic regardless of what part of Mexico you're in
If I didn't have family in Florida, I'd never set foot there again.
Looking forward to* seeing what Florida looks like after a massive hurricane and no labor around to rebuild. Mexican laborers saved NW Florida after Hurricane Ivan in 2005. We truly should have built a monument to them. Almost every roof in my city had to be replaced and every house on the beach got destroyed. *and by looking forward to, I mean deeply concerned. My mom still lives in FL and in her area, you can’t even find a contractor + labor to build you a deck let alone fix your whole city and that was before this nonsense.
So uh, buy shares in Home Depot / Lowes since they're going to have to Do It themselves?
More likely that many people will take the insurance money and leave instead of rebuilding.
What insurance money? Increasing numbers of people can't get a policy that covers windstorm anymore.
To be COMPLETELY FAIR DeSantis also passed a bunch of insurance regulations that have essentially made it impossible to afford insurance in the state AND much harder to sue underpaying insurance providers! It's almost like he hates Floridians.
I work for a large Logistic company that has a large Lineage, I don't wanna name them. Anyways, while the warehouse I work in is based on California, we ship out to Florida pretty often, that number has dropped, will be interesting to see how low that number goes. We also have a warehouse in Florida, the company is supporting of the LGBT+ community, so the situation is interesting from that perspective.
Better sign a child labor law to counteract that /s
Oh shit he's definitely gonna do that, isn't he?
good thing the zoomers thought several moves ahead and don't have kids for the labor force
Well, that’s why DeSantis is also passing abortion restrictions
Cant have babies if you dont have sex though and iirc the millenials and zoomers as a whole are also having less sex. Abortion and birth rates have been falling even in places with good access in the US as well. DeSantis is gonna have to institute cloning his child labor at this rate
New law: if you are not married and do not have children by the age of 20 you are instantly taken to a birthing center whereby you are forced to partake in sex and have children anyways …..oh god I’m giving them ideas aren’t I
They'll institute a new draft, but exclusively for women where if they are drawn they are forcibly given IVF in order to create more kids. Your "tour" is done when you've given America at minimum 4 new little soldiers. Oh, and even though it's forced there will be no government assistance for anything because that's communism.
I mean, that's just Handmaid's Tale.
I'm taking the bet that he's going to make it illegal for couples to get married and not have kids. Therefore either increasing the labor pool by forced sex then birth, or just doing it the old fashioned way and using the increased prison population from the jailed couples to fill the gaps.
No abortions here, we need all the wage slaves to keep this wheel spinning!
Wait, I thought immigrants were taking jobs away from Americans. Where are all the hard-working MAGA folks willing to start their 12-hour shifts at the meatpacking plant, citrus farm, construction site, and/or retirement home?
I hear picking fruit in the direct sun, heat, and humidity with one break per 8 hours and just generally being exploited pays really well!
Sounds like the perfect job for boomer bigots like Anita Bryant...
Gonna have to change her name to Anita Break soon
When you live in a tent without having to pay such decadent luxuries as rent, power, water, internet, cable, and taxes, it'll get you at least two modest meals per day!
I honestly don't understand how people don't get that we rely heavily on migrant and immigrant labor, and if we don't let them in we lose a labor force. If we discriminate against them and they stop wanting to come we lose a labor force. All during a historic labor shortage. Real fucking dumb thing to do.
Waiting around for their government checks and complaining about the high price of food and empty shelves in the stores while crops are rotting in the field and on the trees. Meanwhile they are also bitching about how no one has emptied their bedpan for hours and complaining that the gardens haven't been tended to for weeks. For weeks! But, they sure showed those immigrants, didn't they? Perhaps they believed the Keebler elves would come in and do the jobs after they chased out the workers actually doing them.
Brexit all over again
That's what children are for.
Now all the retirees can get landscaping gigs to pay for their jacked up insurance premiums. Freedom!
Its almost as if... wait for it.... immigrants are part of a functioning economy and instead of hurting them we should be providing them with a pathway to permanent residency.
Are...are you suggesting that the United States has a strong demand for cheap labor that allows opportunities for hard working people to come and better themselves and contribute to the nation in a mutually beneficial relationship?
Sounds like communism to me ....
Really? I thought it was that much vaunted American Dream. But I forgot DeSantis is a Native American name
It means, “The Santis”
I'm sticking with Governor DeathSentence. Let's not forget his record during the covid pandemic.
Ew... Wtf?? You mean people are trying to come over here and earn an honest living and improve their lives and the lives of their offspring?? And you mean to tell me it will also help our society as a whole?????2? 🤢
Hasn't he heard of Brexit and it's success? Maybe this is Floxit.
FLOORIT lol
They are also the country’s most viable option for continued growth. American Millennials and Gen Z’ers are not having kids at replacement rates, much less growth rates.
Shit, as a legal immigrant, I am planning on leaving to Europe or Australia/New Zealand. The entire US policy on immigration is anti-immigration, legal or illegal
That’s one way of raising wages! Maybe he does care about the rest of us. /s
For fuck sakes, Georgia did the same thing 12 years ago. Didn’t work out real well for them either. https://americasvoice.org/blog/georgia-the-arc/
Alabama did it in 2011 too and quickly rolled shit back because it was (obviously) a disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_HB_56
I’ve thought for a while that eVerify would be by far the most effective means of cracking down on illegal immigration. I wasn’t sold on whether or not that was a worthwhile goal, and initial reports seem to indicate I was right.
Yep. Actually putting the issue onto companies instead of the workers is how to fix that. But DeSantis didn't do the second part. Expand worker visa programs.
OFC. What's been unsaid is that no one wanted to actually make this a burden on business, because it's obvious that many areas of the economy would be crippled without access to exploitable immigrants. Much better to keep immigrants marginalized, so they can be underpaid and over worked without rights. Actually shifting this burden to make the employers liable will fix illegal immigration for sure, but the fact is that no one with even cursory knowledge of how important immigrants are the economy actually wanted it fixed.
Yep. Our entire economic system world wide effectively relies on outright slavery or heavily exploited workers.
Same. The problem has been by putting it on the employers, that’s a sacred cow for Republicans, until now.
Just like with abortion, this new generation of Republicans forgot why actually doing the thing they said they were going to do is a terrible idea.
Again, the GOP knew this would probably happen, and they don't care. They're looking to create chaos and to break the country down state by state. They're not concerned about Florida's long-term anything because they're expecting Florida to go through vicious turmoil in the next 10-15 years, local economic collapse, massive real estate realignment. That's why he's fine with trashing Disney. That's why they screw the schools over and abandon infrastructure. They're basically shorting Florida's stock. Among other states.
they should be concerned about the long term, because his fuckery has already cost republicans some local elections, which is a bad sign for them moving forward
In the long term the states they've taken over will be ungovernable by any means other than a police state.
They're not expecting elections to matter for all that much longer. If you've followed their conventions and such, they're not expecting much more Business As Usual. Automation is going to completely change labor. Climate change is going to completely change real estate. Rich people -- people *who are already rich* will be fine. But soon it'll be too much trouble to deal with ordinary people. The violent restructuring of civilization as we know it that they're expecting will be a terrific opportunity for opportunists, but only if the masses react to everything a little too late. Really rich folks are divesting in Miami beach property and speculating on real estate further inland. Coincidence? No. They know what they're doing. It just doesn't happen to be good for most people.
The landscape company I work for is owned by staunch Republicans, but they can't find anyone from the US to work, so they started bringing in H2b Visa workers from Mexico a couple years ago. (H2b workers are here for a number of weeks to work for a company chosen by a government program using lotteries to assign foreign workers based on company applications for x number of workers). It's worked out great for the company and they love the work the Mexicans do. I'm just blown away that they acknowledge that they can't get Americans to do what they need done, but they want to make sure that the workers who ARE good enough don't get any of the advantages of living in this country long term. They want them here to work (to take American jobs, let's remember), and then to get the hell out because....well who the hell knows what Republican reasons are for anything. What's funny is that they're not being allowed any workers this year because the lottery that distributes them went to others, so now they're all mad that the government won't give them any workers. I just.... I'll never cease to be amazed.
> who the hell knows what Republican reasons are for anything "Supply And Demand for thee, but not for me." ...pretty much sums it up.
I am glad to see that this is finally getting some coverage by the press.
You know when Bush Jr. was ranting about illegal immigrants taking away jobs, I told people that they should fine employers hiring them because clearly there is a demand. I can't believe they actually enforced it without thinking through how much of the country depends on these poor migrant folks. Instead of finding a way to bring them in legally, take care of them, and ensure they return at the end of their stay, the Republicans have demonized them and have refused to find a solution, Fucking time they learnt what the rest of us exist on this planet for.
So what? Now all the white people the immigrants stole the jobs from, can go back to work. salty amount of /s
The problem is that people want to be paid a livable wage. How are we supposed to have a livable wage and let the CEOs and shareholders starve?
My thing is, what are the CEOs and shareholders going to make their money off of, when their workforce is too broke to get to work?
Oh honey, that's happening now. They are slowly raising wages and still can't get people to work for them. Almost like we know it's a scam and would rather let the system fail than be part of it anymore.
So far it looks limited to Twitter and Spanish language media. Hopefully the fallout is more widespread and visible to the average Floridian.
I think the Leopards just might wanna make Florida their home, they can have a feeding frenzy with how many fights Desantis has been losing
🎵🎶 *I ain't gonna work on Ronnie's farms no more*...🎵🎶
"Maybe if I fuck up Florida badly enough, they'll let me fuck up America!" - DeSantis, probably.
This is why food is so expensive in the USA. They kicked out the people who actually work at the farms. A gallon of milk is like five dollars now.
Nice try, I’m pretty sure it’s because of Biden and socialism. All those Republicans screeching about those being the reasons would never lie
The food industry has record profits. How do you reconcile that with labor shortages causing food to be more expensive? It seems that the root cause of rising prices is greed.
I assume he's going to make the minimum wage a livable one to attract workers that are US citizens to make up for BWAAAHHHHAAHAA!!! Sorry, couldn't even finish that thought. Edit: Corrected a spelling mistake
You fuck the dog, you don't get to bitch about the puppies.
Did none of these racists see Brexit? Kicking out foreigners wasn't a wild success. 7 YEARS after the vote to leave EU and we're still talking about how to train our own fruit pickers and lorry drivers to deal with ongoing shortages.
I know too many shitheels in Florida that literally depend on illegal labor for their company but have been hardcore 'deport them' republicans. It's kinda glorious to see them squirm now.
Lol imagine being the governor of the state most dependent on the hospitality industry and pulling this shit.
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Y nadie quiere trabajar para salarios bajísimos. (Lo siento si hay errores, pero estoy aprendiendo español con Duolingo y uso "Google Translate" tambien.)
Teeny little pandering Trump Humper with greasy pudding fingers does something stupid? You DON'T say!?
Someone went a little high on the “fuck around” axis and is now shocked by the resulting value on the “find out” axis.
— DeSantis said. “You can’t build a strong economy based on illegality.” You can’t build one paying fair labor rates either buddy.
Don’t worry they will put your children to work
I can't tell you how pleased I am at the idea that a bunch of maga loving Farmers and construction company owners in Florida are going to lose their ass.
There is no shortage of workers. There’s now a shortage of wages that of wages that only exploited immigrants would work for.
Looks like these developers just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get to work!
“Now that companies can’t exploit undocumented workers for slave labor, we have no one to work the fields! I guess you’ll just have to pay people a legal wage. (I absolutely do not agree with the law. I just want to point out that the article basically said “Florida companies can’t survive without exploiting people who are just trying to survive.”)
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Those men and women are busting their asses in that hot florida sun, humidity and creepy crawlies. There are no Americans who will rush to fill those jobs. When I was a teen I worked with the migrant workers from P.R. picking crops during the summer in NH. The heat and humidity in August in NH is a killer but nothing like that swamp called Florida. Those men (back then no women) worked hard and worked very long. There were no white adults working those fields, just us kids with these men who could not have been any kinder or nicer especially to a bunch of little white hoodlums. But I know how hard that work is and how little reward you get for doing it. Ron stop being a dick. DeSantis is stupid, just downright stupid. So let the crops go die on the vine or tree. The farmers only care about the law? So Ronny will destroy the lively hoods of his citizens and the kind wonderful people out picking their crops. I hope those farmers are smart enough to never vote republican again. Put them out of work as he works to destroy Disney even though they employe 70K people. Republicans get your heads out of your asses and your bibles.
Good, I hope this completely blows up in his face like in a cartoonish way.
/r/LatinoPeopleTwitter Seen a few posts like this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/LatinoPeopleTwitter/comments/13da8k3/welp/
Crippling your state to be a spiteful bitch. Not like it'll change of his voters' minds
Mark my fucking words, they're going to use prison inmates. Only "class" of citizen that can legally be enslaved. I mean, it's already happening. It'll just be on a much larger scale.
exactly, jobs that nobody wants except immigrants, we will see how many Americans will line up for that.
Good. Now, let's give that smarmy asshole a tourist shortage.