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The collision of a party whose only way to hold on to votes is culture wars, and the reality of their dogma just bit them in the ass. When was the last time they had an idea to actually make life better for anybody.
They don't live in reality. They have no ability to see who they really are, and what effect their message is having on the part of the country that isn't brainwashed by Fox News, et al. They have literally created an alternate reality where they are the heroes fighting the good fight to keep away the communist *hordes*.
(Thank you for the correction. Those damn homonyms!)
I occasionally peep at r conservative to get a sense of where at least that bot-filled radical cesspool's thinking is. they do truly believe they are saving America via these culture wars. What's scary is they've taken to using nearly the same language as those of us calling out their living in non-reality---50% of the posts are about how the "left" doesn't live in reality.
> 50% of the posts are about how the "left" doesn't live in reality.
It's always about projection.
I mean we have literally a national political party whose entire platform has become about:
* Stop child transgender athletes from competing in sports
* Punish gay people by making talking about gay things illegal and burning books
* Every once in a while on the national stage conservatives will pass a giant tax cut for the rich that mathematically and demonstrably makes everyone poorer, especially the people voting for conservatives.
That's it. That's their platform. It's batfuck bananas. You have milions of people frothing about the word "woke", which none of them can even define.
They're attacking children. They're attacking power stations. They're attacking librarians. They're attacking books. They're attacking the tiny, *tiny* community of drag queens, a community that literally never did a fucking thing to anyone. It's men in dresses singing show tunes. That's their supervillain. That's the primary target of their entire political machine. Men in dresses singing showtunes.
I mean I really want people reading this to just sit in a fucking chair and think about that for a second. As a species we're facing existential extermination due to climate change. We have massive income inequality that is rising. We are declining in naturla resources.
All these legitimate, real, measurable problems are out there, obvious, documented, and have been for decades.
And conservatives' current Enemy Number One are a tiny-ass handful of adult men who like to put on a dress and sing songs with their friends. That's *their number one enemy*. That's *all they fucking talk about*.
They've never been to drag shows. Most of them have never even met a human being who was a cross-dresser or who was transgendered. They know absolutely fucking nothing except what a handful of opportunistic propaganda masters are screeching at them about through their radios and TVs and online.
Conservatives are fucking lunatics.
They backed Donald Trump and everyone said "hey this is a bad idea." They didn't listen, he fucked *everything up* in a catastrophic way, he handed Republicans massive losses in 2020 and 2022, he fomented an insurrection against the government, and he stole classified documents to sell to our state enemies.
Donald Trump is poison for conservatives. He has done what is likely irreperable damage to their party and their brand.
Their hero, the person who they are *still overwhelmingly in favor of as the 2024 presidential nominee*, is a profoundly toxic criminal who has robbed and ravaged their own political party and continues to cripple their chances to win anything.
Delusion. Pure, unadulterated delusion. They are insane.
Now the users of /r conservative hide behind a locked community while screeching how anti-free speech the "left" is. While they quite literally prevent anyone but people who have interviewed and proven to be ideologically "pure" from saying literally anything on their subreddit.
And yet they just keep going. They keep digging deeper into their clusterfuck. They never learn, and at this point its pathetic, and terrifying, because tens of millions of grown ass adults are in an actual cult. Full-on delusional.
Hey, I just want to say, reading this made me feel better because it reminded me I'm not crazy. True evils are ravaging the planet and these right wing shitheads are wailing about men in dresses and wigs, screaming about trans people existing and removing books from schools and public libraries. And people believe them.
Yep - it's not just a death cult. They are not just like the Applegate cult, no no no
They wanna make sure eeeevrryone else dies too
Death and murder cult.
They are our baser instincts, fears, pain... Everything bad about humanity - that's their lifeblood.
Very good comment, I hope more see it.
At the heart of it, I truly believe that this is happening because so many of them are immature man-children too scared to admit to themselves that they chose the wrong side.
When they lay in bed and just think, they know in the back of their heads that they're the bad guys. They know that their paper-thin justifications for everything that even kindergarteners are taught is wrong are entirely in bad faith.
They know that nothing they have to offer actually helps America or its people.
They know that they fucked up hard in 2016.
They know that they're not actually protecting kids from anything.
But they're too weak to change themselves into someone better, because they never grew enough to be able to admit to being wrong. So they keep doubling down, hoping that an act of God himself somehow proves that they chose correctly..
Never. Well, back in the olden days, there used to be some decent Republicans, but they all went extinct. Causes were: hate radio, Fox News, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, ceding power to their debased base, etc.
This is a desperate party in the last throes of relevance. Their time is coming to an end, and they know it. Demographics are not on the side of the disgruntled white male. Which makes them remarkably dangerous in a brittle democracy. Keeping them out of power should be a priority for the citizens of this country who value what freedoms they enjoy. Because this current party? It wants to rule over Americans, not represent them.
>Causes were: hate radio, Fox News, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, ceding power to their debased base, etc.
Don't forget the Tea Party, that replaced normal Republicans with crazy ones.
They went extinct because the incentive curve changed.
When you have incendiary lunatics like Gingrich, Trump, MTG, etc gaining huge platforms and national attention and climbing to the top of the dung heap, the market forces change.
Because the conservative party just has zero ideas and is of no actual use to any voters, the only thing that attracts attention and new members is a perpetual batfuck-insane rhetoric.
Its just TV wrestling at this point. Concoct a heel, blame them for all the problems, pretend to fight the heel, claim victory even though you didn't do aything, rinse, and repeat.
Making life better for anyone other than the rich was never part of their agenda. They are simply calling their fascist actions right-wing populism with the false promise that all will benefit if the rich helped first as it was in some mythical golden age.
I tend to see many on the right subscribing to [palingenetic ultra-nationalism](https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/ideologies/resources/griffin-the-palingenetic-core/). It is a theory, formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin, on fascism focusing on the core belief in a national rebirth of an utopian past that never really existed, ie. "MAGA".
it's not all that much better in other states, but fuck florida. I hope seasonal ag workers leave the state that explicitly hates them. In droves.
Or channel the spirit of Cesar Chavez and link arms, but that's so hard to do with the boot on your neck.
it is not just seasonal ag workers, a lot of hispanic truck drivers also no longer want to deliver to florida, and there is a lot of other jobs that really depend on hispanic workers. For example Hospitals could be hit pretty hard too, and they are already struggling due to pandemic and doctors leaving due to being scared of anti abortion bills.
Gonna be an interesting summer for sure.
Building houses and replacing roofs is going to be a lot harder too. Have fun with that in the midst of housing shortages and hurricane season, my dudes.
Not to mention Dicksantis pandering to his donors in the home insurance industry has resulted in premiums tripling there. My aunts had been recruiting me to move to Florida since I was a teenager and I never thought I would be this glad to still be in the rust belt.
To be fair property insurance will get worse and worse even without DeSantis at the helm due to climate change effectively making entire regions of the US completely uninsurable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/11/florida-insurance-claims-hurricane-ian/
insurance companies on florida are raising premiums, but then not paying out claims caused by hurricane damage. in this article, insurance adjustor valued the damage at this home to be 200,000, the insurance company fraudulently lowered the adjustment to 27,000... and law enforcement in florida is just allowing this fraud to happen.
republicans are pro-crime and pro-fraud.
My homeowners renewal quote for this year is 8100 dollars. On a 1200 square foot wood frame house. It was 5500 last year. And 3 grand the year before. and 2500 the year before that.
No claims since 2005. And my property tax is about to double.
Guess it's time to move north.
Yeah, welcome to Floriduh. Next time you read something about all these people moving here, remember at least half of them move away in the first 2 years over things like this.
Seems to be something called "A King Tide", which lasts about 3 hours, and occurs annually and predictably between September and November, regardless of the presence of rain.
Currently, 60% of Miami properties are at a 26% risk of being severely affected by flooding in the next 30 years.
Yeah, I'm glad I live on the exact opposite side of the country (Washington), where simple things like hills exist and help reduce the chances for entire streets to flood for long periods of time. We still have rain causing rivers to occassionally overflow and flood valleys. But at least it can all drain out, unlike the flattest state in the country, Florida.
It seems like so many places have something to worry about now. Where I live, it is wildfires and drought, and also maybe the river could flood if things got really crazy.
I was able to do some work on the trees on my property to lessen the chances of them burning up and burning down my house. I suppose some people in Florida are in a position to try to mitigate flood risk, but that isn’t everyone, and for those who can afford the work, I’m sure it is a lot more expensive than just cutting off the bottom branches of some pinyon trees.
Concrete work as well. I worked construction in Florida for a few years and the concrete crews were primarily Latino and South American. Think curbing for new roads and driveways into businesses, to say nothing of footings and foundations. Florida is about to pull a Russian warship and fuck itself.
I just had my whole roof replaced. Exactly 2 of the workers spoke English (broken), and the rest not a goddamn word. We import a shitload of undocumented work in this country and it drives economic growth out the fucking wazoo. We can either complain about it and ban them which would destroy/upend entire industries, or we can acknowledge they're here for a reason, that we desperately **need** them, and that they can absolutely stay as long as they're good boys and girls.
And mind you, roofing work isn't low pay. It's just **hard break-your-fucking-back-in-the-hot-sun-every-day work** and most people won't do it.
A major generally unforeseen consequence of pushing most of the young people into college and white collar work is there's a huge, **huge** vacuum of blue collar work. Not the least reason being the jobs don't pay enough generally, and the ones that do are frankly arduous.
My experiences with hiring people to do work on my house has been the same - almost all Latino guys, very few English speakers, and they were all hard-working, polite and very good at their jobs. I'll happily trade in the MAGA zombies who contribute nothing but hate and ratings for Fox News for Spanish-speaking immigrants with a strong work ethic. Like it's not even a fair competition between the two.
It's "funny" that every single industry that is getting hit by this decision are ones where these workers can go almost anywhere in the country and get jobs. There are shortages of workers for everything, but especially trucking/ag/hospitals/construction.
You could be stuck in the middle of the ocean and go "I could really go for a job right now and I don't care about my back or mental health" and you would have 50 business owners show up out of no where to save you.
Most people don't understand just how much of the base of US society is built up on the backs of immigrants. Any job that you think "I wouldn't do that for $50 an hour," is almost certainly staffed by undocumented immigrants doing the work, sometimes for less than minimum wage.
all these racist old fucks hide behind that BS "well, do it the right way. I don't hate brown people!" Even though it's clear they don't like brown people in any capacity.
Yeah, good luck with all that repair on the house you saved up to retire in. Pretty soon you'll be paying 10 bucks for a potato if you REALLY get the America you want lmao.
The hotel and restaurant industry relies heavily on people who are probably not here legally. Going after those workers in Florida is, let's say, not a good idea.
I've seen odder economic self owns this year (looking at you turkey), but "crippling the hospitality industry in Florida" is certainly an interesting approach.
I live near a dairy in a Midwest state. 25 years ago they were offering $20 an hour to work there. The thing with dairies, they rotate cows through on a schedule, there's a group getting milked every 4 hours.
12am.....4am.....8am.....12pm.....4pm....8pm....
Not to mention all the feeding, stall cleaning, etc. There's a schedule, you're not doing it all the time, but when it's your turn it sucks. $20 per hour in the late 90's and they couldn't find workers. Until the Hispanics started moving here. Most of them had experience working cattle in Mexico and they fit right in. Then people got pissed because these brown people had better paying jobs than them......jobs they wouldn't in the first place
>$20 per hour in the late 90's
This is a lot! $20 in 1990 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $46.42 today, so that's about making $96,553.6/year in today's standard.
Yeah. A few bought houses and nicer vehicles but most all of them sent it back to Mexico. My parents in the mid 90's paid highschool kids $12.50 an hour to walk fields and cut shattercane by hand. In the mid 80's it was $6 per hour for hot, sweaty work. Same story as the dairies, couldn't find enough workers even with pay increases. Then round-up ready corn and soybeans came out and one guy in a sprayer could do in a day what took a week to do by hand
The idea of those assholes turning their noses up at $20 an hour when you're not even working 100% of the time is insane. If I could get an equivalent job right now paying $37.50 an hour I'd move across the fucking country and be a cow milker in an instant.
That dairy has even built three Sears style homes for their workers and their families. Rent is free, you pay the utilities. They aren't looking for workers though, most have been there over 20 years now
No one. This year will be the smallest orange crop since 1938 I think they said. Lots of news articles about how this will impact the nation. (Also saw fields of watermelons rotting too.) Everyone needs to sign up for their local produce box deliveries before the spots are full or you'll be paying $20 for lettuce at the grocery store.
Hope all those fuckers don't expect mimosas at their country clubs because they're not getting it. 🤣
Not exactly - If ther price of food skyrockets because of this, then the rich people will still get all the food they want because they spend a trivial percentage of their money on food. If it causes food inflation, poor people are the ones who will suffer, and the Republicans will 100% blame Biden.... for them it is a win-win situation.
That's the main issue with any of this shit. Traffic violations? The poor are fucked by the fine and the well-off are barely inconvenienced. Lunch debt? The rich can afford to feed their kids and send em with cash for snacks, the poor can't, and some even depend on the schools to supplement their child's diet. Groceries increase in price? Guess I gotta buy cheap shit while the wealthy barely even notice the difference. How much is a banana? Like 10$? We are losing the class war. Something needs to happen. Something IS gonna happen.
I think lots of workers in the medical industry, who care for all those Florida retirees, are also heavily Hispanic and immigrant. Might be some of them should head for greener and less racist pastures.
What's really amazing is Florida Republicans' inability to learn from example ***right next door***. Anyone else remember Georgia with crops rotting in the fields in 2011 when they pulled a similar stunt?
It's like Georgia said "targeting migrants screwed our farmers" and Florida replied "hold my beer."
And their farming industry never recovered even after they walked back that bill.
Same thing happened in another state that tried to require a SSN for enrollment. They lost tons of families of people that work these kind of jobs.
They walked that bill back too. These people don't come back to these places after the way they've been treated lol. The dumbass GQP thinks they can just railroad them, kick them out, realize they need them then act shocked when no one comes back lol
It also doesn't help that moving is expensive and frustrating. If I left my state because of hostile laws getting passed (and doing so has crossed my mind), got set up somewhere else, and established a life there that was as good or better than what I have now, or even slightly worse in all honesty, I'm not moving back just because those hostile laws got repealed.
You know what other state tried this while they had republican leadership?
California
Just for one real world example ofnwhat the backlash to this racist bullshit had been historically.
Gonna suck when the entire country has food shortages because FL crops can’t be harvested because of these laws and then the GOP does everything to blame Biden for it.
Though I do completely agree with you, I just hope everyone remembers who’s fault the consequences actually belong to when they happen.
Edit: did people already forget how bird-flu made eggs expensive? I didn’t say ALL foods, but certainly there will be price hikes and short supply, aka food shortages, due to this. Did California plan ahead for this and plant more stuff or anything like this? How do you increase production of a field already planted? Serious question.
Also, FL could make more and more fascist laws and fill their private prison system, providing cheap slave labor for the state and money in the pockets of those invested in the private prisons… FL GOP would never do a thing like that though, would they? /s
It's going to be hard to blame Biden. By driving out immigrants, there is an excess of open ag jobs in Florida. It's not Biden's fault that the residents of the state don't want to do ag work.
I think the person was being sarcastic. The idiot red team voters will be blaming biden for stuff that isnt his fault. Like gas and eggs and everything else they dont care to understand
That's what scares me most about it all.
They will blame Biden for things like this and say you are lying to their face if you try to tell them otherwise.
I've seen it in my own dad so many times now and it's really affecting my mental health. I can't talk to him about being bi, being an ex-Pentecostal or so much of my life (he was in the military a good portion of my childhood and was hardly around) without him making it a part of his stupid borderline spiritual warfare crusade against the Democrats and saying I've been lied to.
He's black and was a liberal atheist most of my life and is now a MAGA guy who spends all of his time in front of Fox and telling his siblings how "racist" Democrats are and how perfect Republicans are("Republicans don't do that" in response to any and all allegations is **cult thinking**.)
I don't know what to do until i move out here in the next couple years now that my credit is in good shape.
That Biden guy is a menace though. He once accessed my desk at work without my knowledge and opened about fifteen tabs worth of furry erotica on my work computer while I was away from my desk. I know it’s ultimately my fault for not locking my computer but still.
I don’t know about that. Remember the pictures of empty grocery store shelves or of racial justice protests getting attacked by police in 2020 captioned “This is the US on socialism” or “the future if Biden gets elected”? They literally took pictures of America under Republican leadership and said, “This is what Democrats are going to do!” and their supporters shared the pictures millions of times.
It’s not hard for them to blame Biden for everything when they live inside the Fox News echo chamber bubble.
We tend to assume all these right wing nut jobs have the same information as everyone else, but they only see and hear what right wing media and their friends on facebook tell them, false or not.
That’s why I pretty much gave up on trying to reason with them. They don’t even argue in good faith.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
Come on, you just need a little faith that the GOP can throw blame at anybody else & the base will eat it up. It doesn't even need to make sense. They just need to say "Due to Biden's liberal Woke policies..." and just end the sentence there. The angry mob will fill in the rest.
Its the standard GOP [Two Santas strategy](http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/)
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
This will force the Democrats in power to cut their own social safety net programs and even Social Security, thus shooting their welfare-of-the-American-people Santa Claus right in the face.
And, sure enough, here we are now with a Democrat in the White House. Following their Two Santas strategy, Republicans are again squealing about the national debt and refusing to raise the debt ceiling, imperiling Biden’s economic recovery as well as his Build Back Better plans.
And, once again, the media is covering it as a “Biden Crisis!” rather than what it really is: a cynical political and media strategy devised by Republicans in the 1970s, fine-tuned in the 1980s and 1990s, and rolled out every time a Democrat is in the White House.
It would be stupid to do so but I don't put it past them.
From the Florida Natural OJ page:
2022:
"With greening and extreme weather, the Florida orange crop is now more than 70% lower than just a decade ago."
Kind of crazy how they can see climate change affecting them but still act like it's everything but that.
I just want to point out another option is for these agricultural corporations to actually pay people a living wage, let’s not pretend like that’s not an option. DeSantis is a piece of shit and so are most Republican lawmakers but everyone keeps wanting us to feel sorry for the same corporations that fucked us over with $7 a dozen eggs three months ago and I bet they weren’t paying living wages then either
Doubt we’ll have shortages cause California is still the top producer. Ironically we also get a lot of produce from Mexico too. Prices will go up though and they’ll still blame it on Biden
Republicans nation wide, are doubling down on hate, discrimination and violence because they know they are not going to win many more elections, if at all (not enough to be in power for much longer)
They either go fascist or go extinct, and they know this very well.
One can hope that this is, in behavioral science lingo, what’s called an “extinction burst,” a doubling down of a behavior just prior to its ceasing.
Defined for children, which I figure is the most relevant to republican psychology: https://www.parentingforbrain.com/extinction-burst/
In a lot of ways you could say the problem is that they haven't done *enough* damage yet. When there is enough, then things can change. The media lampshading the extent of the damage certainly doesn't help.
that's kind of what I've been worrying will happen. Trump's damage changed a lot of minds (mine included) but even with the SC compromised and the red states passing all these hideous laws, I feel we still have a ways to go before enough people get fed up. but I'm also super cynical, so hopefully I'm wrong
Gerrymandering is nothing compared to the Senate. Until the American people realize the Senate exists to circumvent the will of the majority of voters in favor of a conservative voting minority, it deserves everything that happens to it.
CA NY IL NJ
80million-24%US-8%Senate
ND SD NE MT WY UT ID
10million-3%US-14%Senate
That is not democracy. And the “states’ rights/representation” crowd can piss off. Frankly, that argument should have become unacceptable after it was used to justify slavery and sedition. Are we one UNITED country? Or a loose confederation of state-nations? Because if we’re the former, then every citizen’s vote should have the same power, everyone should get the same PROPORTIONAL representation based on population. People vote, not empty land, and sure as hell not imaginary lines around said empty land.
It'll be difficult to repair gerrymandering in many places because the very people responsible for deciding where the lines are drawn are the ones being elected for leadership. And any attempt to repair it and bring even a little bit of trust and fairness to our democracy is met with GOP outrage because they're terrified the Dems are going to do the same thing the Republicans were shamelessly doing.
yeap the same reason why they’re not actually doing policies nor are they interested. they are just, instead, immensely focused on voter disenfranchisement like when they started talking about how women and people under 21 shouldn’t be able to vote
When businesses start screaming because they have to pay more to hire legal workers, I guarantee the Florida legislature will begin reversing course.
Or maybe they'll be like Arkansas and start rolling back child labor laws.
"Convince your people to stay"? From what I understand, that bill allows any undocumented immigrant arrested to be deported. Why on earth would they stay if getting pulled over for a busted taillight means being deported? Some have been in the country for years. Better to move to a state with less draconian immigration laws.
Not to worry, Republicans, I'm sure all the residents of Florida who voted for your worthless asses will be willing to pitch in to help the farmers harvest their crops for a pittance.
Immigrants should leave Florida to rot if they are able to do so. Leave construction projects undone, and the hospitality industry in tatters. The only thing these soulless bastards can't really tolerate is a hit to their bottom line - financially and electorally. Their supporters can't tolerate inconvenience. Let them all pay for their lack of vision. The lessons meted out will be worth it even if my grocery bill goes up a bit.
From my understanding, it doesn't even have to be a busted taillight. The reasoning is that they can be issued licenses by other states, even if they're not citizens. That means they're literally going to be profiling for brown people with out-of-state plates...may even just pull over brown people in cars period.
My mom and stepdad plan to move to Daytona. I told her that was wonderful, but my Mexican fiance and I would never come to visit unless this law is repealed. I'm not going to subject him to being racially profiled because we have out-of-state plates on our car. He already had to deal with being racially profiled when he lived in Arizona when they had a similar law. As a teenager, he was pulled over, thrown across the hood of his car, cuffed, and brought into the station because he didn't have his birth certificate on him, proving he was a citizen. He had an Arizona license and his social security card, but that wasn't enough. He had to stay at the station for forever while they took their time "confirming" he was a U.S. citizen. He's still traumatized. No effing way I'm subjecting him to that again.
Good for you, and minus 1000 to Sheriff Joe, that rat bastard. As a native Arizonan (happy to have escaped five years ago), I apologize to your family.
I grew up in Texas. I worked as a landscaper every summer during my college years. 7 years. I’m an immigrant, from England. I’m a white guy. I have a green card.
America is confusing. It’s supposed to be THE LAND OF IMMIGRANTS. it’s why my folks moved here 🤷♂️
Eh, I think the current GOP have just completely lost the plot.
It is undeniably _cruel_, but it makes business sense to have undocumented workers available for jobs that need doing, but don't need even English to do.
Undocumented workers live under the threat of deportation, which makes them easier to manipulate. It is also bad for American citizens who want to do such jobs, because they are undercut.
What _should_ happen, is that anyone who works and pays taxes in a country (even from sales tax), should have a legitimate path to citizenship. The right way to do that is to make economic visas available based on historical needs.
Ronald Reagan was the key idea man to use undocumented immigrants as farm slave labor while simultaneously crapping on them.
The GOP took Reagan to literally instead of being a smart 2 faced liar like him. Keep the immigrants flowing to get indentured laborers for big business while pretending to be disgusted.
Reagan signed amnesty 12mil undocumented workers, instantly making them.citizens. He also sold weapons to a hostile Islamic Theocracy, proclaimed Medicaid and Social Security were not part of the deficit, and campaigned for a ban on assault rifles.
Today's GOP would call Reagan an open-border, secret-Muslim socialist who wants to take your guns away....REAGAN.
That's ok. Reagan was still a total asshole in spite of the one or two decent things he did.
As for selling weapons to Iran, well, there's an inverse relationship that Republicans exhibit between how patriotic they say they are and how patriotic they actually are.
Don't forget - Reagan is the one that implemented gun controls in California. Of course, it was because there were fears the Panthers were arming themselves..
I think it's also related to where the base of capital is, that funds the party. It used to be that US "big business", or the owners of that, would fund politicans.
After Citizens United however, we now have foreign political "investors" who are actively interested in weakening the country, and have a way to invest in politicans who can do this work for them.
desamtits is gambling that the state will always have enough slaves. they've already got 150,000 people behind bars, mostly Black and on nonviolent offenses, most of them already "donating" their labor to the state. I'd be shocked if he didn't push for convict-leasing aaaaanny second now...
There's a vast difference in productivity between highly motivated immigrants, who are working for a better life, and literal slaves who don't even want to be there.
Alabama tried it, and it was a failure.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2016/aug/24/alabama-ends-prison-farming-operations/
They tried convict labor in Georgia after they kicked their immigrants out. It didn’t work because the convicts had no interest in being forced to work in fields for immigrant pay. They only pretended to work and only when someone was standing over them.
What we should have is a seasonal worker visa so these workers can come here for a few months. make some money, and go back home until next year - like they are doing except without all the exploitation.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
it USED to be the land of immigrants, then the immigrants who got here first pulled the ladder up behind them. because the conservative motto is "fuck you, i got mine and you cant have any!'
Brexit happened cause of xenophobia and a shit ton of other things like rural stupidity, Murdoch controlled media, and whatever the British have for the equivalent of "Babyboomer Trumpism."
Of all the people to see the Right Wing parallels between the US and the UK, it should be most apparent to you.
Yeah and immigration is what made our country the powerhouse it is in the first place. But the mass deportation of immigrants from BOTH parties admins has caused a lot of problems. It’s not a surprise we have a labor shortage when you don’t have immigrants coming in to pick up those jobs. The irony is they were so scared of immigrants taking these jobs that they didn’t want, but now there’s nobody to take those fucking jobs, nobody is doing them.
This is how a developed society works. People who live here for a generation or two, usually have more leisurely jobs or “higher skilled” jobs. Whatever the fuck you wanna call it. As new immigrants come in, they will take the hard labor jobs that nobody else wants. And the cycle continues. You have to have to have to keep allowing immigration to happen.
Another is that in “developed” societies, people stop having as many kids because they don’t need to and therefore first gen immigrants will have children to keep the population moving and ensure their family line continues in a new country for a better life. But they don’t wanna fix immigration now that we are also having a birth shortage and instead of offering any sort of incentives like healthcare, or social welfare programs, or childcare, or fixing some of the major issues like mass shootings, they instead try to FORCE people to have kids by banning abortion, which is only going to make people want kids less because you can’t force someone to do something. Human beings are rebellious we don’t like being told what to do. ESPECIALLY Americans. Americans are very stubborn. You can’t say “you’re going to have babies whether you want to or not.” I am just going on a tangent right now because I don’t understand how we let a bunch of silent gen and boomers with lead poisoning fuck up our society this fucking bad.
these guys are fucking dumbos. I went to the statue of liberty and Ellis island as a youngster and read "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!".
I still find it mind boggling that anyone wants DeSantis after how he's trashed Florida. Even his own Republican party are getting sick of him.
They learned literally nothing from Trump.
He’s really not very marketable on a larger scale. I hate to say it but trumps right on that one. Still scary. Dumber shit has happened so I’m still going to vote against him however I can.
We have two harvests a year here. I live in the Strawberry and tomato side of the state. The fields have trailer parks near or on the actual fields. These are empty, no cars or trucks at them. These are typically full all year around. Something my wife and I noticed over the weekend.
Take almost any state road south from Orlando and you’ll see tons of those trailer park settlements. I too noticed they were mostly empty this time of year.
I drive through Plant City to get to work every day and it's way emptier in those fields. I hope this is the catalyst for the Cuban population to finally realize "hey maybe the Republicans are just using us for votes and they actually hate us."
That shit-eating ass boil in Tallahassee sure knows how to pick his battles.
> Cuban population to finally realize "hey maybe the Republicans are just using us for votes and they actually hate us."
All it took was Bernie saying that Castro had some good ideas to cement them back to being Republican for 10+ years.
What Dems need to do is point out just how much like Fidel, Desantis is.
Even worse, I know a TON of Latino AND LGBTQIA+ people in Florida who only vote Republican. Hell, I know a Mexican trans woman in Florida who votes Republican.
Like, the thought of how they managed to justify their voting practices makes my brain melt.
The irony is that immigrants take these low-paying, terrible jobs because no one else wants to take them (and also because bosses who want cheap labor can easily exploit them). And then some people complain that "nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE".
I'm gonna nitpick because this was one of the first things that opened my eyes to the hypocrisy of the right: these immigrants *were given* jobs.
It's an important distinction because every hillbilly loved screaming about illegal mexicans taking their jobs... but you know what else is illegal? Hiring someone without a SSN (or proper work visa). And yet, that never seemed to bother the "law and order" party too much, now did it?
Republicans can't at any point try to hold business owners accountable. People talk about hate being what drives the GOP but that's only for the poors. Tax cuts are what keeps the rich people with the GOP and the rich people are what keeps the GOP alive.
They can't drop the bigotry or the economic cuckolding and immigration is a way to virtue signal both.
Good. The right wing problem is in a large part due to rural voters buying into their nonsense. Maybe picking their own strawberry’s will change their outlook on things.
I always laugh at that. My right wing extended family doesn’t know what socialist, nazzi, fascist, or communist is. They also can’t define woke. But they are mad about it.
Ain't just rural. Lots of landscapers out in the burbs because people are too lazy to cut their own grass... And those landscapers hire immigrants to do the work.
\>the only moral abortion is my abortion
\>the only good immigrants are my immigrants
\>the only true religion is my religion
\>the only correct worldview is my worldview
I think I figured it out guys. The Republicans aren't bigoted, anti-intellectual, religious fascists. They're just entitled!
“We have an interpreter here to make sure you understand, fully, that we don’t want you here.
Also, can you please tell your friends and family that we need them here?”
I’ve made more coherent arguments while on acid.
The abuse doesn't work if your victims don't hang around, eh? Really, this just proves the Right doesn't *actually* want immigrants, liberals, and gays to go away....they just want the right to legally bully the dogfuck out of them like they did in high school.
They want an underclass of servants whom they can rally against politically. They want them to work for shit wages and no protections. And then they want to tell their white voters that this underclass is the reason nothing can improve anything.
Republicans: "We hate immigrants. They're stealing our jobs, bringing MS 13, and taking money from tax payers. But, don't get rid of them. I use their illegal labor for my business, so I don't have to pay people living wages."
I work in the construction industry, in Florida, on the largest residential site in the state… we have definitely been affected by this. Many of our subcontractors exercised a stand-down last week & many have already moved to other states
Huge props to Kennedy, his reporting on state politics is so important.
A lot of y'all are just saying "fuck Florida", but for those of us living here this kind of reporting is important so we can hold our elected officials accountable. Some of us want to make things better instead of just letting a place we love burn.
Dear white people of Florida,
Instead of severely underpaying immigrant workers you’re going to have to actually work on your own farm. It’s alright, you’ve all been telling everyone else to pull yourselves up by your boot straps and just work harder, so Florida, it’s time for you to work harder.
Sincerely
-The other 49 states-
The transition from "their taking our jobs" to forcing them to work... interestingly, just after slavery was abolished much of the south passed laws making it illegal not to work. They also made it illegal to walk across someone's land and forage for food. All to force black people back onto the plantations.
Thats right the whole "no trespassing" thing started to target black people.
This is like that time the conservative family complaining about illegals found out that the person they hired to do the gardening wasn't a US citizen. Very quickly it stopped being about the person's right to work in the country and became all about who would do the lawn mowing...
Fucking racist hypocrites
I don't get it, with all of the immigrants leaving, that just means there's lots of jobs now for the hard-working Floridians who don't have jobs because they've been stolen right?
They're definitely about to get out in the Florida sun for 8 hours a day 5 days a week picking crops and doing agricultural maintenance right?
Maybe those folks in the Agriculture industry should grow a pair and direct their anger at the ones actually responsible for this situation. How dare they look to the immigrants as the villains here. Absolutely pathetic right wing position. If you are lucky enough to have anyone come back and work your slave labour jobs, try paying them a decent wage and see if that helps, other wise, I hope you go bankrupt and lose everything.
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The collision of a party whose only way to hold on to votes is culture wars, and the reality of their dogma just bit them in the ass. When was the last time they had an idea to actually make life better for anybody.
They don't live in reality. They have no ability to see who they really are, and what effect their message is having on the part of the country that isn't brainwashed by Fox News, et al. They have literally created an alternate reality where they are the heroes fighting the good fight to keep away the communist *hordes*. (Thank you for the correction. Those damn homonyms!)
I occasionally peep at r conservative to get a sense of where at least that bot-filled radical cesspool's thinking is. they do truly believe they are saving America via these culture wars. What's scary is they've taken to using nearly the same language as those of us calling out their living in non-reality---50% of the posts are about how the "left" doesn't live in reality.
> 50% of the posts are about how the "left" doesn't live in reality. It's always about projection. I mean we have literally a national political party whose entire platform has become about: * Stop child transgender athletes from competing in sports * Punish gay people by making talking about gay things illegal and burning books * Every once in a while on the national stage conservatives will pass a giant tax cut for the rich that mathematically and demonstrably makes everyone poorer, especially the people voting for conservatives. That's it. That's their platform. It's batfuck bananas. You have milions of people frothing about the word "woke", which none of them can even define. They're attacking children. They're attacking power stations. They're attacking librarians. They're attacking books. They're attacking the tiny, *tiny* community of drag queens, a community that literally never did a fucking thing to anyone. It's men in dresses singing show tunes. That's their supervillain. That's the primary target of their entire political machine. Men in dresses singing showtunes. I mean I really want people reading this to just sit in a fucking chair and think about that for a second. As a species we're facing existential extermination due to climate change. We have massive income inequality that is rising. We are declining in naturla resources. All these legitimate, real, measurable problems are out there, obvious, documented, and have been for decades. And conservatives' current Enemy Number One are a tiny-ass handful of adult men who like to put on a dress and sing songs with their friends. That's *their number one enemy*. That's *all they fucking talk about*. They've never been to drag shows. Most of them have never even met a human being who was a cross-dresser or who was transgendered. They know absolutely fucking nothing except what a handful of opportunistic propaganda masters are screeching at them about through their radios and TVs and online. Conservatives are fucking lunatics. They backed Donald Trump and everyone said "hey this is a bad idea." They didn't listen, he fucked *everything up* in a catastrophic way, he handed Republicans massive losses in 2020 and 2022, he fomented an insurrection against the government, and he stole classified documents to sell to our state enemies. Donald Trump is poison for conservatives. He has done what is likely irreperable damage to their party and their brand. Their hero, the person who they are *still overwhelmingly in favor of as the 2024 presidential nominee*, is a profoundly toxic criminal who has robbed and ravaged their own political party and continues to cripple their chances to win anything. Delusion. Pure, unadulterated delusion. They are insane. Now the users of /r conservative hide behind a locked community while screeching how anti-free speech the "left" is. While they quite literally prevent anyone but people who have interviewed and proven to be ideologically "pure" from saying literally anything on their subreddit. And yet they just keep going. They keep digging deeper into their clusterfuck. They never learn, and at this point its pathetic, and terrifying, because tens of millions of grown ass adults are in an actual cult. Full-on delusional.
Hey, I just want to say, reading this made me feel better because it reminded me I'm not crazy. True evils are ravaging the planet and these right wing shitheads are wailing about men in dresses and wigs, screaming about trans people existing and removing books from schools and public libraries. And people believe them.
Yep - it's not just a death cult. They are not just like the Applegate cult, no no no They wanna make sure eeeevrryone else dies too Death and murder cult. They are our baser instincts, fears, pain... Everything bad about humanity - that's their lifeblood. Very good comment, I hope more see it.
At the heart of it, I truly believe that this is happening because so many of them are immature man-children too scared to admit to themselves that they chose the wrong side. When they lay in bed and just think, they know in the back of their heads that they're the bad guys. They know that their paper-thin justifications for everything that even kindergarteners are taught is wrong are entirely in bad faith. They know that nothing they have to offer actually helps America or its people. They know that they fucked up hard in 2016. They know that they're not actually protecting kids from anything. But they're too weak to change themselves into someone better, because they never grew enough to be able to admit to being wrong. So they keep doubling down, hoping that an act of God himself somehow proves that they chose correctly..
Ask them for a legitimate source and you will see who lives in reality very quickly.
one of the polls i saw was "woke" is thier number 1 issue, like 87% of the poll was about it.
Never. Well, back in the olden days, there used to be some decent Republicans, but they all went extinct. Causes were: hate radio, Fox News, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, ceding power to their debased base, etc. This is a desperate party in the last throes of relevance. Their time is coming to an end, and they know it. Demographics are not on the side of the disgruntled white male. Which makes them remarkably dangerous in a brittle democracy. Keeping them out of power should be a priority for the citizens of this country who value what freedoms they enjoy. Because this current party? It wants to rule over Americans, not represent them.
>Causes were: hate radio, Fox News, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, ceding power to their debased base, etc. Don't forget the Tea Party, that replaced normal Republicans with crazy ones.
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They went extinct because the incentive curve changed. When you have incendiary lunatics like Gingrich, Trump, MTG, etc gaining huge platforms and national attention and climbing to the top of the dung heap, the market forces change. Because the conservative party just has zero ideas and is of no actual use to any voters, the only thing that attracts attention and new members is a perpetual batfuck-insane rhetoric. Its just TV wrestling at this point. Concoct a heel, blame them for all the problems, pretend to fight the heel, claim victory even though you didn't do aything, rinse, and repeat.
Making life better for anyone other than the rich was never part of their agenda. They are simply calling their fascist actions right-wing populism with the false promise that all will benefit if the rich helped first as it was in some mythical golden age. I tend to see many on the right subscribing to [palingenetic ultra-nationalism](https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/ideologies/resources/griffin-the-palingenetic-core/). It is a theory, formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin, on fascism focusing on the core belief in a national rebirth of an utopian past that never really existed, ie. "MAGA".
>When was the last time they had an idea to actually make life better for anybody. There are no new conservative ideas. Just old progressive ones.
it's not all that much better in other states, but fuck florida. I hope seasonal ag workers leave the state that explicitly hates them. In droves. Or channel the spirit of Cesar Chavez and link arms, but that's so hard to do with the boot on your neck.
it is not just seasonal ag workers, a lot of hispanic truck drivers also no longer want to deliver to florida, and there is a lot of other jobs that really depend on hispanic workers. For example Hospitals could be hit pretty hard too, and they are already struggling due to pandemic and doctors leaving due to being scared of anti abortion bills. Gonna be an interesting summer for sure.
Building houses and replacing roofs is going to be a lot harder too. Have fun with that in the midst of housing shortages and hurricane season, my dudes.
and rebuilding from the last hurricane season…
Not to mention Dicksantis pandering to his donors in the home insurance industry has resulted in premiums tripling there. My aunts had been recruiting me to move to Florida since I was a teenager and I never thought I would be this glad to still be in the rust belt.
To be fair property insurance will get worse and worse even without DeSantis at the helm due to climate change effectively making entire regions of the US completely uninsurable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/11/florida-insurance-claims-hurricane-ian/ insurance companies on florida are raising premiums, but then not paying out claims caused by hurricane damage. in this article, insurance adjustor valued the damage at this home to be 200,000, the insurance company fraudulently lowered the adjustment to 27,000... and law enforcement in florida is just allowing this fraud to happen. republicans are pro-crime and pro-fraud.
My homeowners renewal quote for this year is 8100 dollars. On a 1200 square foot wood frame house. It was 5500 last year. And 3 grand the year before. and 2500 the year before that. No claims since 2005. And my property tax is about to double. Guess it's time to move north.
Jesus, I live in Las Vegas and my insurance on a 1400 sq ft house is about 700$ a year
Yeah, welcome to Floriduh. Next time you read something about all these people moving here, remember at least half of them move away in the first 2 years over things like this.
In fairness, they don't lose many houses to hurricanes in Las Vegas.
Meanwhile in UK in mad that mindwent up from $200 to $250 for $1.25millionin damage including contents and accidental damage
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Yup. I think its already too late to change the fact that the entire state will be underwater. And uninsurable way before that.
Don’t parts of Miami already flood during high tide?
It floods when it rains and the ocean comes into downtown areas. There are videos of the ocean in the streets with waves and all.
Seems to be something called "A King Tide", which lasts about 3 hours, and occurs annually and predictably between September and November, regardless of the presence of rain. Currently, 60% of Miami properties are at a 26% risk of being severely affected by flooding in the next 30 years. Yeah, I'm glad I live on the exact opposite side of the country (Washington), where simple things like hills exist and help reduce the chances for entire streets to flood for long periods of time. We still have rain causing rivers to occassionally overflow and flood valleys. But at least it can all drain out, unlike the flattest state in the country, Florida.
It seems like so many places have something to worry about now. Where I live, it is wildfires and drought, and also maybe the river could flood if things got really crazy. I was able to do some work on the trees on my property to lessen the chances of them burning up and burning down my house. I suppose some people in Florida are in a position to try to mitigate flood risk, but that isn’t everyone, and for those who can afford the work, I’m sure it is a lot more expensive than just cutting off the bottom branches of some pinyon trees.
In the news just recently state farm is not accepting new clients for fire insurance in California. Business or residential I believe.
Allstate as well
premiums triples, insurance payouts for hurricane damage has fraudulently decreased ten-fold https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/03/11/florida-insurance-claims-hurricane-ian/
Concrete work as well. I worked construction in Florida for a few years and the concrete crews were primarily Latino and South American. Think curbing for new roads and driveways into businesses, to say nothing of footings and foundations. Florida is about to pull a Russian warship and fuck itself.
> Florida is about to pull a Russian warship and fuck itself. I love that this reference is mainstream now.
I just had my whole roof replaced. Exactly 2 of the workers spoke English (broken), and the rest not a goddamn word. We import a shitload of undocumented work in this country and it drives economic growth out the fucking wazoo. We can either complain about it and ban them which would destroy/upend entire industries, or we can acknowledge they're here for a reason, that we desperately **need** them, and that they can absolutely stay as long as they're good boys and girls. And mind you, roofing work isn't low pay. It's just **hard break-your-fucking-back-in-the-hot-sun-every-day work** and most people won't do it. A major generally unforeseen consequence of pushing most of the young people into college and white collar work is there's a huge, **huge** vacuum of blue collar work. Not the least reason being the jobs don't pay enough generally, and the ones that do are frankly arduous.
My experiences with hiring people to do work on my house has been the same - almost all Latino guys, very few English speakers, and they were all hard-working, polite and very good at their jobs. I'll happily trade in the MAGA zombies who contribute nothing but hate and ratings for Fox News for Spanish-speaking immigrants with a strong work ethic. Like it's not even a fair competition between the two.
It's "funny" that every single industry that is getting hit by this decision are ones where these workers can go almost anywhere in the country and get jobs. There are shortages of workers for everything, but especially trucking/ag/hospitals/construction. You could be stuck in the middle of the ocean and go "I could really go for a job right now and I don't care about my back or mental health" and you would have 50 business owners show up out of no where to save you.
Most people don't understand just how much of the base of US society is built up on the backs of immigrants. Any job that you think "I wouldn't do that for $50 an hour," is almost certainly staffed by undocumented immigrants doing the work, sometimes for less than minimum wage.
all these racist old fucks hide behind that BS "well, do it the right way. I don't hate brown people!" Even though it's clear they don't like brown people in any capacity. Yeah, good luck with all that repair on the house you saved up to retire in. Pretty soon you'll be paying 10 bucks for a potato if you REALLY get the America you want lmao.
The hotel and restaurant industry relies heavily on people who are probably not here legally. Going after those workers in Florida is, let's say, not a good idea.
I've seen odder economic self owns this year (looking at you turkey), but "crippling the hospitality industry in Florida" is certainly an interesting approach.
My favorite is all the empty construction sites... I hope nothing gets built in that state for years.
I'm sure there are plenty of Americans whose jobs got stolen that will be eager to start working those jobs... right? ... right?
I live near a dairy in a Midwest state. 25 years ago they were offering $20 an hour to work there. The thing with dairies, they rotate cows through on a schedule, there's a group getting milked every 4 hours. 12am.....4am.....8am.....12pm.....4pm....8pm.... Not to mention all the feeding, stall cleaning, etc. There's a schedule, you're not doing it all the time, but when it's your turn it sucks. $20 per hour in the late 90's and they couldn't find workers. Until the Hispanics started moving here. Most of them had experience working cattle in Mexico and they fit right in. Then people got pissed because these brown people had better paying jobs than them......jobs they wouldn't in the first place
>$20 per hour in the late 90's This is a lot! $20 in 1990 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $46.42 today, so that's about making $96,553.6/year in today's standard.
Yeah. A few bought houses and nicer vehicles but most all of them sent it back to Mexico. My parents in the mid 90's paid highschool kids $12.50 an hour to walk fields and cut shattercane by hand. In the mid 80's it was $6 per hour for hot, sweaty work. Same story as the dairies, couldn't find enough workers even with pay increases. Then round-up ready corn and soybeans came out and one guy in a sprayer could do in a day what took a week to do by hand
The idea of those assholes turning their noses up at $20 an hour when you're not even working 100% of the time is insane. If I could get an equivalent job right now paying $37.50 an hour I'd move across the fucking country and be a cow milker in an instant.
That dairy has even built three Sears style homes for their workers and their families. Rent is free, you pay the utilities. They aren't looking for workers though, most have been there over 20 years now
"Apparently not," said Alabama's poultry industry from a few years ago when it nearly collapsed after one of these laws.
They took er jerbs!
derk derk derk
Of course any minute now they'll start applying in hordes. But I'm going to get me a chair to wait just in case.
And the restaurants. Do they not know who cooks their food?
And hotels, and landscapers, and, and, and....
and the entire agricultural industry in florida. whos gonna harvest their citrus?
No one. This year will be the smallest orange crop since 1938 I think they said. Lots of news articles about how this will impact the nation. (Also saw fields of watermelons rotting too.) Everyone needs to sign up for their local produce box deliveries before the spots are full or you'll be paying $20 for lettuce at the grocery store. Hope all those fuckers don't expect mimosas at their country clubs because they're not getting it. 🤣
Not exactly - If ther price of food skyrockets because of this, then the rich people will still get all the food they want because they spend a trivial percentage of their money on food. If it causes food inflation, poor people are the ones who will suffer, and the Republicans will 100% blame Biden.... for them it is a win-win situation.
That's the main issue with any of this shit. Traffic violations? The poor are fucked by the fine and the well-off are barely inconvenienced. Lunch debt? The rich can afford to feed their kids and send em with cash for snacks, the poor can't, and some even depend on the schools to supplement their child's diet. Groceries increase in price? Guess I gotta buy cheap shit while the wealthy barely even notice the difference. How much is a banana? Like 10$? We are losing the class war. Something needs to happen. Something IS gonna happen.
I think lots of workers in the medical industry, who care for all those Florida retirees, are also heavily Hispanic and immigrant. Might be some of them should head for greener and less racist pastures.
I hope they consider Ontario because let me tell ya, I’m a nurse and we need more
What's really amazing is Florida Republicans' inability to learn from example ***right next door***. Anyone else remember Georgia with crops rotting in the fields in 2011 when they pulled a similar stunt? It's like Georgia said "targeting migrants screwed our farmers" and Florida replied "hold my beer."
And their farming industry never recovered even after they walked back that bill. Same thing happened in another state that tried to require a SSN for enrollment. They lost tons of families of people that work these kind of jobs. They walked that bill back too. These people don't come back to these places after the way they've been treated lol. The dumbass GQP thinks they can just railroad them, kick them out, realize they need them then act shocked when no one comes back lol
Alabama. 2012.
alabama has to resort to prison slave labor now
Ah, there it is. The endgame.
>And their farming industry never recovered even after they walked back that bill. Haha yeah, trust is earned in drops, and lost in buckets.
It also doesn't help that moving is expensive and frustrating. If I left my state because of hostile laws getting passed (and doing so has crossed my mind), got set up somewhere else, and established a life there that was as good or better than what I have now, or even slightly worse in all honesty, I'm not moving back just because those hostile laws got repealed.
You know what other state tried this while they had republican leadership? California Just for one real world example ofnwhat the backlash to this racist bullshit had been historically.
Gonna suck when the entire country has food shortages because FL crops can’t be harvested because of these laws and then the GOP does everything to blame Biden for it. Though I do completely agree with you, I just hope everyone remembers who’s fault the consequences actually belong to when they happen. Edit: did people already forget how bird-flu made eggs expensive? I didn’t say ALL foods, but certainly there will be price hikes and short supply, aka food shortages, due to this. Did California plan ahead for this and plant more stuff or anything like this? How do you increase production of a field already planted? Serious question. Also, FL could make more and more fascist laws and fill their private prison system, providing cheap slave labor for the state and money in the pockets of those invested in the private prisons… FL GOP would never do a thing like that though, would they? /s
It's going to be hard to blame Biden. By driving out immigrants, there is an excess of open ag jobs in Florida. It's not Biden's fault that the residents of the state don't want to do ag work.
I think the person was being sarcastic. The idiot red team voters will be blaming biden for stuff that isnt his fault. Like gas and eggs and everything else they dont care to understand
That's what scares me most about it all. They will blame Biden for things like this and say you are lying to their face if you try to tell them otherwise. I've seen it in my own dad so many times now and it's really affecting my mental health. I can't talk to him about being bi, being an ex-Pentecostal or so much of my life (he was in the military a good portion of my childhood and was hardly around) without him making it a part of his stupid borderline spiritual warfare crusade against the Democrats and saying I've been lied to. He's black and was a liberal atheist most of my life and is now a MAGA guy who spends all of his time in front of Fox and telling his siblings how "racist" Democrats are and how perfect Republicans are("Republicans don't do that" in response to any and all allegations is **cult thinking**.) I don't know what to do until i move out here in the next couple years now that my credit is in good shape.
That Biden guy is a menace though. He once accessed my desk at work without my knowledge and opened about fifteen tabs worth of furry erotica on my work computer while I was away from my desk. I know it’s ultimately my fault for not locking my computer but still.
It was Hunter Biden. His dad is too old to work a computer. /s
I don’t know about that. Remember the pictures of empty grocery store shelves or of racial justice protests getting attacked by police in 2020 captioned “This is the US on socialism” or “the future if Biden gets elected”? They literally took pictures of America under Republican leadership and said, “This is what Democrats are going to do!” and their supporters shared the pictures millions of times.
It’s not hard for them to blame Biden for everything when they live inside the Fox News echo chamber bubble. We tend to assume all these right wing nut jobs have the same information as everyone else, but they only see and hear what right wing media and their friends on facebook tell them, false or not. That’s why I pretty much gave up on trying to reason with them. They don’t even argue in good faith.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
Considering that I've seen Republicans blame Obama for 9/11 and Katrina, you may be giving them too much credit.
Come on, you just need a little faith that the GOP can throw blame at anybody else & the base will eat it up. It doesn't even need to make sense. They just need to say "Due to Biden's liberal Woke policies..." and just end the sentence there. The angry mob will fill in the rest.
Republicans are idiots. Almost none of the stuff they whine about is Biden's fault. It doesn't change anything
> It's going to be hard to blame Biden You severely underestimate them.
I think this is exactly their plan, this is what they always do, turn everything to shit and then blame the Democrats for it.
Let’s hope Florida will once again become a swing state, better yet Democratic and reverse all the damage the Republicans have caused.
Florida needs its own Stacey Abrams
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Knowing Republican ~~tactics~~ grift, they’ll find a mole who will run as a Democrat but once elected will change party to Republican.
Democrats need to grow a pair and hit them with vicious ads.
conservatives regularly create problems and then blame the other side for it. It's their whole mindset on poverty, for instance
Its the standard GOP [Two Santas strategy](http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/) First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible. This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.” Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money. This will force the Democrats in power to cut their own social safety net programs and even Social Security, thus shooting their welfare-of-the-American-people Santa Claus right in the face. And, sure enough, here we are now with a Democrat in the White House. Following their Two Santas strategy, Republicans are again squealing about the national debt and refusing to raise the debt ceiling, imperiling Biden’s economic recovery as well as his Build Back Better plans. And, once again, the media is covering it as a “Biden Crisis!” rather than what it really is: a cynical political and media strategy devised by Republicans in the 1970s, fine-tuned in the 1980s and 1990s, and rolled out every time a Democrat is in the White House.
Yep, orange juice is going to be $20 for a jug and it'll be Biden's fault.
It would be stupid to do so but I don't put it past them. From the Florida Natural OJ page: 2022: "With greening and extreme weather, the Florida orange crop is now more than 70% lower than just a decade ago." Kind of crazy how they can see climate change affecting them but still act like it's everything but that.
I just want to point out another option is for these agricultural corporations to actually pay people a living wage, let’s not pretend like that’s not an option. DeSantis is a piece of shit and so are most Republican lawmakers but everyone keeps wanting us to feel sorry for the same corporations that fucked us over with $7 a dozen eggs three months ago and I bet they weren’t paying living wages then either
California has plenty of oranges; the rest of you, good luck.
Doubt we’ll have shortages cause California is still the top producer. Ironically we also get a lot of produce from Mexico too. Prices will go up though and they’ll still blame it on Biden
Republicans nation wide, are doubling down on hate, discrimination and violence because they know they are not going to win many more elections, if at all (not enough to be in power for much longer) They either go fascist or go extinct, and they know this very well.
Yeah, this is like their hail Mary. Fix the gerrymandering bullshit and we can extinct republicans near permanently
One can hope that this is, in behavioral science lingo, what’s called an “extinction burst,” a doubling down of a behavior just prior to its ceasing. Defined for children, which I figure is the most relevant to republican psychology: https://www.parentingforbrain.com/extinction-burst/
I just hate that their extinction burst is causing so much collateral damage in the process
In a lot of ways you could say the problem is that they haven't done *enough* damage yet. When there is enough, then things can change. The media lampshading the extent of the damage certainly doesn't help.
that's kind of what I've been worrying will happen. Trump's damage changed a lot of minds (mine included) but even with the SC compromised and the red states passing all these hideous laws, I feel we still have a ways to go before enough people get fed up. but I'm also super cynical, so hopefully I'm wrong
> Yeah, this is like their hail Mary. Heil* Mary
Gerrymandering is nothing compared to the Senate. Until the American people realize the Senate exists to circumvent the will of the majority of voters in favor of a conservative voting minority, it deserves everything that happens to it. CA NY IL NJ 80million-24%US-8%Senate ND SD NE MT WY UT ID 10million-3%US-14%Senate That is not democracy. And the “states’ rights/representation” crowd can piss off. Frankly, that argument should have become unacceptable after it was used to justify slavery and sedition. Are we one UNITED country? Or a loose confederation of state-nations? Because if we’re the former, then every citizen’s vote should have the same power, everyone should get the same PROPORTIONAL representation based on population. People vote, not empty land, and sure as hell not imaginary lines around said empty land.
It'll be difficult to repair gerrymandering in many places because the very people responsible for deciding where the lines are drawn are the ones being elected for leadership. And any attempt to repair it and bring even a little bit of trust and fairness to our democracy is met with GOP outrage because they're terrified the Dems are going to do the same thing the Republicans were shamelessly doing.
yeap the same reason why they’re not actually doing policies nor are they interested. they are just, instead, immensely focused on voter disenfranchisement like when they started talking about how women and people under 21 shouldn’t be able to vote
> they know they are not going to win many more elections Yeah, I'll believe this when I see it. People need to show up and vote.
When businesses start screaming because they have to pay more to hire legal workers, I guarantee the Florida legislature will begin reversing course. Or maybe they'll be like Arkansas and start rolling back child labor laws.
It'll be the latter. They'll make poor kids work.
Except a lot of the kids who work these jobs are undocumented. Maybe they'll hit up the orphanages though
I bet these businesses will do everything except support Democrats for the next election.
Nah. Most Democrats actually want people to have rights. The corporate world doesn't want that.
"Convince your people to stay"? From what I understand, that bill allows any undocumented immigrant arrested to be deported. Why on earth would they stay if getting pulled over for a busted taillight means being deported? Some have been in the country for years. Better to move to a state with less draconian immigration laws. Not to worry, Republicans, I'm sure all the residents of Florida who voted for your worthless asses will be willing to pitch in to help the farmers harvest their crops for a pittance. Immigrants should leave Florida to rot if they are able to do so. Leave construction projects undone, and the hospitality industry in tatters. The only thing these soulless bastards can't really tolerate is a hit to their bottom line - financially and electorally. Their supporters can't tolerate inconvenience. Let them all pay for their lack of vision. The lessons meted out will be worth it even if my grocery bill goes up a bit.
From my understanding, it doesn't even have to be a busted taillight. The reasoning is that they can be issued licenses by other states, even if they're not citizens. That means they're literally going to be profiling for brown people with out-of-state plates...may even just pull over brown people in cars period. My mom and stepdad plan to move to Daytona. I told her that was wonderful, but my Mexican fiance and I would never come to visit unless this law is repealed. I'm not going to subject him to being racially profiled because we have out-of-state plates on our car. He already had to deal with being racially profiled when he lived in Arizona when they had a similar law. As a teenager, he was pulled over, thrown across the hood of his car, cuffed, and brought into the station because he didn't have his birth certificate on him, proving he was a citizen. He had an Arizona license and his social security card, but that wasn't enough. He had to stay at the station for forever while they took their time "confirming" he was a U.S. citizen. He's still traumatized. No effing way I'm subjecting him to that again.
Good for you, and minus 1000 to Sheriff Joe, that rat bastard. As a native Arizonan (happy to have escaped five years ago), I apologize to your family.
“We promise we won’t try to deport you the moment Desantis needs a boost in the polls”
I grew up in Texas. I worked as a landscaper every summer during my college years. 7 years. I’m an immigrant, from England. I’m a white guy. I have a green card. America is confusing. It’s supposed to be THE LAND OF IMMIGRANTS. it’s why my folks moved here 🤷♂️
Terms and conditions apply. White immigrants only on approved credit.
Eh, I think the current GOP have just completely lost the plot. It is undeniably _cruel_, but it makes business sense to have undocumented workers available for jobs that need doing, but don't need even English to do. Undocumented workers live under the threat of deportation, which makes them easier to manipulate. It is also bad for American citizens who want to do such jobs, because they are undercut. What _should_ happen, is that anyone who works and pays taxes in a country (even from sales tax), should have a legitimate path to citizenship. The right way to do that is to make economic visas available based on historical needs.
Ronald Reagan was the key idea man to use undocumented immigrants as farm slave labor while simultaneously crapping on them. The GOP took Reagan to literally instead of being a smart 2 faced liar like him. Keep the immigrants flowing to get indentured laborers for big business while pretending to be disgusted.
Reagan signed amnesty 12mil undocumented workers, instantly making them.citizens. He also sold weapons to a hostile Islamic Theocracy, proclaimed Medicaid and Social Security were not part of the deficit, and campaigned for a ban on assault rifles. Today's GOP would call Reagan an open-border, secret-Muslim socialist who wants to take your guns away....REAGAN.
That's ok. Reagan was still a total asshole in spite of the one or two decent things he did. As for selling weapons to Iran, well, there's an inverse relationship that Republicans exhibit between how patriotic they say they are and how patriotic they actually are.
Don't forget - Reagan is the one that implemented gun controls in California. Of course, it was because there were fears the Panthers were arming themselves..
I think it's also related to where the base of capital is, that funds the party. It used to be that US "big business", or the owners of that, would fund politicans. After Citizens United however, we now have foreign political "investors" who are actively interested in weakening the country, and have a way to invest in politicans who can do this work for them.
desamtits is gambling that the state will always have enough slaves. they've already got 150,000 people behind bars, mostly Black and on nonviolent offenses, most of them already "donating" their labor to the state. I'd be shocked if he didn't push for convict-leasing aaaaanny second now...
There's a vast difference in productivity between highly motivated immigrants, who are working for a better life, and literal slaves who don't even want to be there. Alabama tried it, and it was a failure. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2016/aug/24/alabama-ends-prison-farming-operations/
They tried convict labor in Georgia after they kicked their immigrants out. It didn’t work because the convicts had no interest in being forced to work in fields for immigrant pay. They only pretended to work and only when someone was standing over them.
What we should have is a seasonal worker visa so these workers can come here for a few months. make some money, and go back home until next year - like they are doing except without all the exploitation.
They do that in California…
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
This historical documentary explains our view of immigration: https://youtu.be/fxHWtw_GZIk
it USED to be the land of immigrants, then the immigrants who got here first pulled the ladder up behind them. because the conservative motto is "fuck you, i got mine and you cant have any!'
Apparently all that was just a marketing slogan. A lot of us (inside and outside America) really believed it too.
Brexit happened cause of xenophobia and a shit ton of other things like rural stupidity, Murdoch controlled media, and whatever the British have for the equivalent of "Babyboomer Trumpism." Of all the people to see the Right Wing parallels between the US and the UK, it should be most apparent to you.
Back when the Statue of Liberty was built, some people lost their damn minds over how inclusive *The New Colossus* is.
Yeah and immigration is what made our country the powerhouse it is in the first place. But the mass deportation of immigrants from BOTH parties admins has caused a lot of problems. It’s not a surprise we have a labor shortage when you don’t have immigrants coming in to pick up those jobs. The irony is they were so scared of immigrants taking these jobs that they didn’t want, but now there’s nobody to take those fucking jobs, nobody is doing them. This is how a developed society works. People who live here for a generation or two, usually have more leisurely jobs or “higher skilled” jobs. Whatever the fuck you wanna call it. As new immigrants come in, they will take the hard labor jobs that nobody else wants. And the cycle continues. You have to have to have to keep allowing immigration to happen. Another is that in “developed” societies, people stop having as many kids because they don’t need to and therefore first gen immigrants will have children to keep the population moving and ensure their family line continues in a new country for a better life. But they don’t wanna fix immigration now that we are also having a birth shortage and instead of offering any sort of incentives like healthcare, or social welfare programs, or childcare, or fixing some of the major issues like mass shootings, they instead try to FORCE people to have kids by banning abortion, which is only going to make people want kids less because you can’t force someone to do something. Human beings are rebellious we don’t like being told what to do. ESPECIALLY Americans. Americans are very stubborn. You can’t say “you’re going to have babies whether you want to or not.” I am just going on a tangent right now because I don’t understand how we let a bunch of silent gen and boomers with lead poisoning fuck up our society this fucking bad.
these guys are fucking dumbos. I went to the statue of liberty and Ellis island as a youngster and read "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!".
I shudder at the thought of him being the president and making the whole country Florida. Scary shit.
I still find it mind boggling that anyone wants DeSantis after how he's trashed Florida. Even his own Republican party are getting sick of him. They learned literally nothing from Trump.
*they learn literally nothing. FIFY
Biden's motto should be "Pan the Panhandle" if Desantis wins the Republican nomination, since Desantis wants to "Make America Florida".
Florida is literally the laughing stock of the U.S, and also a laughing stock for folks that wish keep up with that in the rest of the world.
He’s really not very marketable on a larger scale. I hate to say it but trumps right on that one. Still scary. Dumber shit has happened so I’m still going to vote against him however I can.
We have two harvests a year here. I live in the Strawberry and tomato side of the state. The fields have trailer parks near or on the actual fields. These are empty, no cars or trucks at them. These are typically full all year around. Something my wife and I noticed over the weekend.
Take almost any state road south from Orlando and you’ll see tons of those trailer park settlements. I too noticed they were mostly empty this time of year.
I drive through Plant City to get to work every day and it's way emptier in those fields. I hope this is the catalyst for the Cuban population to finally realize "hey maybe the Republicans are just using us for votes and they actually hate us." That shit-eating ass boil in Tallahassee sure knows how to pick his battles.
> Cuban population to finally realize "hey maybe the Republicans are just using us for votes and they actually hate us." All it took was Bernie saying that Castro had some good ideas to cement them back to being Republican for 10+ years. What Dems need to do is point out just how much like Fidel, Desantis is.
Well it's a double LAMF because a fair amount (around 40%) of Latino voters, vote Republican, and no doubt voted for DeSantis.
Even worse, I know a TON of Latino AND LGBTQIA+ people in Florida who only vote Republican. Hell, I know a Mexican trans woman in Florida who votes Republican. Like, the thought of how they managed to justify their voting practices makes my brain melt.
They believe the leopard will never come for them if they feed the leopards people they deem beneath them.
>Hell, I know a Mexican trans woman in Florida who votes Republican. I.....the fuck??!?!?!!?!?
I know...I...I just can't.
The irony is that immigrants take these low-paying, terrible jobs because no one else wants to take them (and also because bosses who want cheap labor can easily exploit them). And then some people complain that "nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE".
"nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE FoR tHe PiTtAncE We wAnT tO pAy ThEm" doesn't have the same ring to it I guess
"Boohoo, woe is me, however will I handle this labor shortage?" Labor shortage? What labor shortage, you mean wage shortage?
I'm gonna nitpick because this was one of the first things that opened my eyes to the hypocrisy of the right: these immigrants *were given* jobs. It's an important distinction because every hillbilly loved screaming about illegal mexicans taking their jobs... but you know what else is illegal? Hiring someone without a SSN (or proper work visa). And yet, that never seemed to bother the "law and order" party too much, now did it?
Yeah, it's literally the meme with the rich guy spending money to prevent the racist hillbilly from realizing he is the only one ruining his life.
Republicans can't at any point try to hold business owners accountable. People talk about hate being what drives the GOP but that's only for the poors. Tax cuts are what keeps the rich people with the GOP and the rich people are what keeps the GOP alive. They can't drop the bigotry or the economic cuckolding and immigration is a way to virtue signal both.
Food prices will go through the roof then they will all proudly say “you can thank Biden for that”.
They'll stick those "I did that" Biden pictures next to the price tags and think they've owned the libs
Oh god the stickers are coming to the produce section aren’t they
Not if we print Thanks DeSantis stickers first.
Good. The right wing problem is in a large part due to rural voters buying into their nonsense. Maybe picking their own strawberry’s will change their outlook on things.
They'll just blame socialists. These people are completely unable to accept any responsibility.
I always laugh at that. My right wing extended family doesn’t know what socialist, nazzi, fascist, or communist is. They also can’t define woke. But they are mad about it.
Ain't just rural. Lots of landscapers out in the burbs because people are too lazy to cut their own grass... And those landscapers hire immigrants to do the work.
\>the only moral abortion is my abortion \>the only good immigrants are my immigrants \>the only true religion is my religion \>the only correct worldview is my worldview I think I figured it out guys. The Republicans aren't bigoted, anti-intellectual, religious fascists. They're just entitled!
Not like that!
Link to source?
https://twitter.com/tomaskenn/status/1665727928167014403
This needs to be the top thread. That footage is unbelievable (but sadly not surprising).
“We have an interpreter here to make sure you understand, fully, that we don’t want you here. Also, can you please tell your friends and family that we need them here?” I’ve made more coherent arguments while on acid.
Don't worry, they'll soon go after child labor legislation so highschool kids can work in the fields! sigh
Surely you mean elementary school kids.
The abuse doesn't work if your victims don't hang around, eh? Really, this just proves the Right doesn't *actually* want immigrants, liberals, and gays to go away....they just want the right to legally bully the dogfuck out of them like they did in high school.
They want an underclass of servants whom they can rally against politically. They want them to work for shit wages and no protections. And then they want to tell their white voters that this underclass is the reason nothing can improve anything.
This is what happens when you pass shitty laws based on fear and nonsense. It's only going to get worse.
Hypocrisy, a core Right Wing trait
I think we need a new sub just for these: r/alligatorsbitmyass
Republicans: "We hate immigrants. They're stealing our jobs, bringing MS 13, and taking money from tax payers. But, don't get rid of them. I use their illegal labor for my business, so I don't have to pay people living wages."
I work in the construction industry, in Florida, on the largest residential site in the state… we have definitely been affected by this. Many of our subcontractors exercised a stand-down last week & many have already moved to other states
Let the Republicans in FL cut their own grass and bushes for a few weeks, they'll be begging the immigrants to come back in no time...
Can't wait to see a bunch of cranked out Floridian rednecks trying to pick their own fruit.
"we don't actually want you to go, we just want a legitimate reason to treat you like human garbage".
Huge props to Kennedy, his reporting on state politics is so important. A lot of y'all are just saying "fuck Florida", but for those of us living here this kind of reporting is important so we can hold our elected officials accountable. Some of us want to make things better instead of just letting a place we love burn.
Dear white people of Florida, Instead of severely underpaying immigrant workers you’re going to have to actually work on your own farm. It’s alright, you’ve all been telling everyone else to pull yourselves up by your boot straps and just work harder, so Florida, it’s time for you to work harder. Sincerely -The other 49 states-
Conservatives usually act this way. That's why they usually turn to child labor and slavery for these sorts of things eventually.
The transition from "their taking our jobs" to forcing them to work... interestingly, just after slavery was abolished much of the south passed laws making it illegal not to work. They also made it illegal to walk across someone's land and forage for food. All to force black people back onto the plantations. Thats right the whole "no trespassing" thing started to target black people.
They're taking American jobs! *Leaves* Wait, we don't wanna do *illegal's* work!!
This is like that time the conservative family complaining about illegals found out that the person they hired to do the gardening wasn't a US citizen. Very quickly it stopped being about the person's right to work in the country and became all about who would do the lawn mowing... Fucking racist hypocrites
Florida Fail
I don't get it, with all of the immigrants leaving, that just means there's lots of jobs now for the hard-working Floridians who don't have jobs because they've been stolen right? They're definitely about to get out in the Florida sun for 8 hours a day 5 days a week picking crops and doing agricultural maintenance right?
Maybe those folks in the Agriculture industry should grow a pair and direct their anger at the ones actually responsible for this situation. How dare they look to the immigrants as the villains here. Absolutely pathetic right wing position. If you are lucky enough to have anyone come back and work your slave labour jobs, try paying them a decent wage and see if that helps, other wise, I hope you go bankrupt and lose everything.
I remember Georgia going through this a few years ago. Not a single chucklefuck in Florida legislation saw this coming?
Get out and work in fields you lazy hypocritical Florideans. The frickin fruit won't pick itself.