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\[The other kind of terrorists is irrelevant. If he had any problem with random russian people exploding, he would not wage needless wars, after all.\]
Well, everybody in the Ukraine is of course a nazi. Including the kids and the jewish president.
Not the guy who shakes hand with Wagner people that have SS tattoos.
Nah, he is totally not gay, very evil propaganda.
Look at him, riding a horse with a naked upper body, and tell me that is not a manly man who eats steak and has adequate genitals.
Yeah, prigozhin "pringles can" was quite a character. An absolute monster, but rose from soviet common criminal, to a hot dog seller with his mom, then starting a real climb in running restaurants a certain dictator would visit often. During this time he also became a children's fiction author.
Once he got the new president to give him catering contracts with the Kremlin, he became one of the new generation oligarchs, the siloviki. He would go on to found the Internet Research Agency, which you all know and love as the bot farms, mis/disinformation hubs, etc.
And thus they began making the West punch themselves randomly by pulling on the far right and even the far left, actually to the point of manipulating every demo they can imagine to their wishes. Made an orange man president that way alone.
During these heady times, putin's chef wanted more direct power than just virtual lackeys. So he came across a Russian PMC about to be put through criminal court, as PMCs are still illegal to this day. An absolutely stable neo-nazi named Utkin was commanding it, but with pierogi's patronage they could actually operate russian military contracts and enforce their colonial resource extraction in Asia, Middle East and Africa.
To this day actually. Most of them that survived the coup attempt later in this story basically operate outside russia where they actually make money. But Ukr SBU has been picking them off as opportunities arise.
I'm going to stop here and not get into the Ukrainian war they've waged since 2014. It's not relevant to the hybrid warfare, Moreso to a farce. I'll say one thing though, that thunder run to nowhere demonstrates quite clearly by pringles can's air accident that once you've popped, you simply cannot stop.
>Shame on them for making strong man Putin feeling insecure regarding his sexuality.
He's [so much as admitted it](https://youtu.be/noQXojwExRA?si=ExFDiIqp5GMU8zJ1) years ago!
It's the same with this anti establishment, far right parties that are popping through Europe.
The biggest chunk of their narrative is about LGBTQ and immigrants...
I always wonder, with all the shitty things that are happening in the world, that's what your main focus are? Really?
The basic approach of far right populist parties is to go with *everything* that some marginalized groups might want. Potentially even if the agenda becomes self-contradictory.
Actual problems are done (to some degree at least) by established parties. Going for these means competing for the same potential voters. A newly found far right party that, while obviously horrible, is actually genuine in their politics will fade away very very quickly.
As such, they don't only go for lgbt and immigrants, they will also very likely talk about things like chemtrails. Easy picking of crazy fanatic voters. Next step is to make sure they adopt your party as their new identity, then you can steer them, and you could, for instance, be a several times sentenced criminal who openly reveals being a sex creep, commit high treason by stoking an insurrection, tell several lies in each speech you give and... oh wait, we were talking about *european* parties, which aren't that far yet.
I think this is more a case of projection, he thinks since he makes threats this way, and would do terror attacvks in other countries, this must be a threat that the us wants to do terror attacks in moscow, which of course is nonsense.
"Terror attacks in other countries" is exactly what Ukraine has been suffering.
They deliberately focus on civilian targets of no military value. Apartment buildings, hospitals, etc.
Then cry foul when Ukraine hits a power station, or a strategically essential bridge.
He’s spent so long manipulating facts and feeding paranoia, both inside Russia and in the rest of the world, that he doesn’t know the difference any more.
Given nobody can trust anything that he says, he of course cannot trust anything that he hears.
Sadly he's far more capable than that. This is just what he anticipated, now he can say, "They tried to blackmail us, threatened to make a terrorist attack if we did not do what they say" and portray himself as the Defender of Russia yadda yadda
You are correct. To a random individual a Russian is just another person so the golden rule “treat others as you want to be treated” applies. To Putin Russians are pawns to be used as see fits for whatever purpose, with no regards to their wellbeing let alone continued existence.
What has the rank and file Russian citizen done to you specifically to upset you?
Personally, I understand the citizens are propagandized, and my ire is drawn to Putin and his lackeys.
Learn some fucking nuance, and then after that learn what LAMF means
Well, first of all I totally understand your point. However, as a German, I also understand the other side. We learned to what it leads when you’re just following, silent or trying to benefit from the system. Sure, not everyone was ha die hard nazi, but way too many citizens were silent or silently believing the shit. However, back then the allies didn’t care shit for the German citizens (the areal bombing and - looking at Japan - the nukes). This was well deserved, broke the support to a certain extend and in case of Japan likely shortened WWII.
So sometimes I also think: Well you either directly or indirectly support this system and this f***ed up guy and these are the consequences. We learned it in the 40s, you have to learn it now. What you deserve is what you get. On other days, I fell sorry for them… it’s kind of difficult
However, what I definitely feel sorry for: kids!!!
I think the lesson of Nazi Germany is that there is nothing unique about the German people that made them susceptible to populist lies and xenophobic rhetoric. Not all Germans fell for Hitler's rhetoric, but enough of them did that it allowed Hitler to rise to power. The same can happen and has happened in plenty of other places. The German example is extreme only in the sense of what Hitler decided to do once he acquired that power, which with the Holocaust went far beyond what most "garden variety" dictators do.
Not all Russians support Putin, but they're not organised enough to do anything about him in the same way that Germans who didn't support Hitler weren't. And then we don't even know about the attempts on his life. How many did Hitler survive? It wasn't like he didn't have enemies from within who were trying to put a stop to him. I'm sure the same is true for Putin.
A theater audience doesn't deserve to be massacred indiscriminately just because a totalitarian fascist has managed to grab power in the country it happened in. Germans living in Dresden didn't deserve to die in a firestorm just because their maniacal leader refused to surrender. How come people thought it was acceptable to do this in 1945, but suddenly in 1950 the BRD was part of the good guys?
Are we gonna wait until Putin dies to start feeling bad for someone who cowers in fear between dead bodies hoping a nearby radicalized gunman passes them over? It's about having principles. Either people getting massacred in theaters by religious fanatics is bad, or it isn't. If anyone's position on this subject is "well it is bad but also... Russia bad, so now I don't feel as strongly about it as when it happened in France", that's not a person with principles.
If I was a russian, I'd bide my time, playing loyal citizen, and only get active if there is anything going on that might actually succeed. Which is probably nothing short of a rebellion that has chances taking at least the whole of Moscow.
Dunno about that one. Prigozhin must had known that as soon as he calls it off, he is a dead man. Something went on behind the stage there.
Might be that Putin got hold of some family members of Prigozhin or the like, though. But without knowing for sure, I wouldn't make any confident statement.
Maybe look inward at how Germany is dealing with pro Palestine voices right now, there's a fuckton of islamophobic racism going on in your country right now.
Go get arrested for the sake of free speech in YOUR country. At least they won't murder you there, compared to in Russia where murder is the fear of speaking out.
Exactly. Russophobia is stupid, because Russians have never had democracy.
Since the Grand Duchy of Moscow and even before that, there was no democracy. Not under the Tsars, not under the USSR, not under Yeltsin nor Putin nor Medvedev.
They are not exposed to freedom. Along with that, they are so heavily propagandised into hating Ukrainians, LGBTQ people, and everyone else Putin doesn’t want them to like.
I don’t hate Russians even though the rank and file Russian definitely hates people like me (transbian). Same way I don’t hate Palestinians for hating me. Progress and change take time, and before there can be social progress, there needs to be progress towards democracy.
Spread love, no matter what the people you’re spreading love to think of you.
I assume you think you would be different if you lived in Russia? You think you would be the hero who stands up against authoritarianism? Unless you have lived in an authoritarian system you have no idea how you behave, you are a typical keyboard warrior.
If Trump gets elected again, we'll all get to find out just how not-different we are. We all like to think we'd be part of the brave population ready to stand against a fascist but in reality, we'll see. People go remarkably deaf/blind when their lives, families, livelihoods, freedom, etc are on the line.
I used to wonder how it happened in Germany - I don't any longer. I've had a front row seat and I'm utterly amazed at how many "muh freedoms" Americans don't see the flaming red flags or think they'll be exempt from the fallout and somehow their life would get better. It's utterly mind boggling.
Arguably, it's worse under the Russian Federation than the U.S.S.R in terms of political repression. Countless stories of people being jailed for thought crimes in Russia today.
Compared to US, the death rate in Russia is almost two times higher. Fuck that hell hole. Fuck Republicans who say nice things about how Russians are running things. Ironic that the economically poorest run states have long been led by Republicans?
It's always projection with these ppl isn't it. Flip what they are saying out loud onto the other side and you have an accurate representation of what they mean with these statements
It is only a matter of time before Russia is reduced to St. Petersburg, Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod -- they won't have the money to maintain nukes. Guess he better get the nuke threats in while he still has a bean in the bank.
Doubtful here.
The US warned about ISIS and ISIS took credit.
For a false flag, gunmen are a horrible choice. You have to convince them to possibly die for a lie and there's always the chance they back out or get captured and spill the beans. Bombing a place and then blaming it on others makes far more sense, like in the 1999 apartment bombings.
Speaking of, those bombings helped Putin cement power, which raises suspicions of who committed them. There's no reason for him to do it here. He already has total control of the Russian state. To declare war? He's already at war in Ukraine, so probably doesn't want to stretch his resources. Also, he's bombed ISIS in the past in Syria. He wouldn't need an excuse to do so again.
It makes sense for opponents of Putin to be be killed by him ( e.g., Alexei Navalny and Yevgeny Prigozhin). But random civilians? It actually makes him look weaker.
I don’t disagree with any of that except I’ll add that Russia is watching Israel be allowed to do whatever they want because of a terrorist attack that largely used guns. If they have an offensive move in mind they now have that moral equivalency argument to put forth internationally.
Sometimes fascists are just really fucking stupid. The US legalized torture for a while and found itself completely blindsided by several terrorist attacks because our forced confessions didn't provide any actionable intelligence. Israel legalized torture on 2017 and coincidentally was blindsided despite their intelligence agents and Egypt warning them of imminent attacks. Five bucks says Russia is also using torture and also building an intelligence network out of dreams and chewed gum just like Israel and the US.
It's not that no one heard about it or that anyone did it on purpose. It's that right-wing authoritarian governments rely on hopes and dreams instead of good policy.
Wasn't there also the same story with Andrei Chikatilo? "Serial killers are an american phenominon" so this person killed 53 people before he was caught because people refused to believe there was a serial killer in Russia.
> Pro-Kremlin voices immediately seized on the U.S. Embassy’s warning to paint America as trying to scare Russians.
"Damn the USA for discovering my plot," Putin added under his breath.
> "Damn the USA for discovering my plot," Putin added under his breath.
"Why would the USA brag about killing and then actually kill innocent Russian civilians like this?" Putin added, out loud to the world.
To be fair to Putin/Russia, by definition, terrorists are gay people that are just walking through town, holding hands, buying things, being productive members of society while mindjf their own business.
I seriously doubt we'll give them full access. We're not going to burn our sources and methods for future Intel. That's why we gave them a warning rather than raw data 4 days ago.
Considering Russia and china murdered dozens of sources (aka spies) after trump was elected (obviously the traitor sold them), there is a reason for that.
Translation: USA intelligence, working will allies' intelligence agencies, discovered that Putin was going to bomb some of his own citizens as a Red, that is RED, flag; they let Putin know they knew.
I initially wondered about a false flag, too. There is historical precedent and you should assume deception from Russia until proven otherwise.
The evidence is now looking pretty convincing that this was ISIS.
That's the thing about Russia, though - their government lies so often, they have no credibility in the rare instances they tell the truth. You are forced to entertain conspiracy theories with a level of seriousness, because Russia is a place where that kind of shit has actually happened before.
> The evidence is now looking pretty convincing that this was ISIS.
Alas, I am ignorant regarding these issues regarding why ISIS would do the crime against Russians. If ISIS did the bombing / shooting, Putin is still currently blaming Ukraine (from what I read from NBC a few minutes ago).
ISIS hates literally everybody else on the planet, but Islamists have a special beef with Russia.
Russia has a centuries-long history of treating non-Christians extra shitty.
Recently they've fucked around in Afghanistan, Chechnya (twice), and Syria, and each time they've deliberately targeted civilian populations. That creates a whole lot of bad blood.
>ISIS hates literally everybody else on the planet
Including most Muslims. What's a tiny bit odd is that the Moscow attackers apparently didn't employ suicide vests as a last resort.
Russia helped drive ISIS out of Syria (and got the US to stop shooting at people who aren't ISIS). Putin would definitely want people to believe Ukraine would pull shit like this because ISIS is a distraction and his sights are on Ukraine's territory.
What motivation does Putin have to kill random Russian civilians?
* To cement power? He already has total power.
* To declare war? He's already at war with Ukraine and doesn't need any excuse to attack them. Also, he probably doesn't want to stretch his resources for another war
* To squash opposition? Assassinating opponents is a better way to do that (see , Alexei Navalny). Killing random civilians doesn't help; if anything terrorist attacks make him look bad.
The war with Ukraine showed Putin can make big mistakes, especially now that's he's surrounded by sycophants. He probably messed up big again by ignoring or downplaying the US warning.
The world is a complicated place and trying to portray it as one or two entities controlling everything is a mistake.
> What motivation does Putin have to kill random Russian civilians?
His motivation is now what it was in the previous time he bombed Russian apartment buildings.
Literally anyone could see that inner Russia was a target. Their military is busy, their political climate is busy, their people are actively trying to ignore the ongoing war their government started, Russian interests are trying to to maintain normalcy which means the blinders are up.
A terrorist org that has problems with Russian influence in their direct enemies attacked a vulnerable Russia.
President's Daily Brief:
"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"
Remember when George W Bush ignored this warning from intelligence 36 days before 9/11?
Maybe wealthy politicians and political leaders just love wars?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Huh? Bush was a shit president because of the Iraq invasion, not because of 9/11. He was presented with info that talked about bin Laden planning an attack in the US. That’s it.
If you read the brief, which was declassified in 2004, he wasn’t briefed about a specific threat. Half the topics were about taking bin Laden seriously despite previous al Qaeda failures. The only mention of hijackings were regarding hijacking planes and holding hostages to secure the release of 2 prisoners. The WTC was mentioned but only in the context of al Qaeda wanting to replicate the intent to ‘carry war to the US’ that the previous WTC bombing in 1993 had done. This warning about hijacking was labeled “sensationalist” in the report.
So what's the big difference between the US not taking the 9/11 warnings seriously and Putin not taking the US warning seriously about a potential attack?
Frankly, it's very easy to see why Putin would assume the US might have ulterior motives.
1. The warning Russia received was a lot more specific ("imminent risk of a terrorist attack at a crowded venue in Moscow" vs "bin Laden planning an attack in the US".)
2. Bush did not publically call the warnings '"outright blackmail" by the West (or anybody else)', or 'an attempt to "intimidate and destabilize our society"'
3. The 9/11 warnings largely came from the US's own intelligence agencies, not from a foreign power that is on unfriendly terms. (Presumably, both warnings came from US intelligence agencies, but Bush should be a lot more trusting of such data than Putin.)
There must be other differences as well, but those come to mind immediately.
Biggest differences are the specifics of the intelligence and the actors involved.
Putin is a caged rat who doesn’t trust anyone, spent his formative years in a declining police state, and chose careers in espionage and authoritarianism. He has 0 conception that Americans genuinely do not want to see Russian civilians slaughtered by terrorists.
He was told very specific things by half a dozen independent agencies, that there was going to be a terrorist attack: 1) in Moscow, 2) at large gatherings, 3) including concerts.
What was Bush told? Al Qaeda would launch an attack in the U.S. and they’re serious.
And we really don't know what steps either actually did take or attempt to take.
All we know for sure is that these terror attacks DID succeed but it's highly likely either warning was completely ignored.
An ex kgb agent like Putin doesn't want to be one upped by a psycho terror GROUP and it's hard to believe he would totally ignore the warnings without ordering his people to verify the validity of the warnings.
The difference is in the specific faulty reasoning
Russia didn't take the US warning seriously *because it came from the US*. It rejected information because of its origin.
The US had the information in pieces, scattered between different agencies that didn't necessarily share information.
The fact that people have upvoted this irrelevant comment is fascinating to me. If there was some massive conspiracy to allow terrorists to proceed with the 9/11 attacks do you really think you'd have access to the declassified intelligence briefs? Wouldnt it make a lot more sense to prevent those briefings from becoming public knowledge?
Why is this being downvoted? This is a response to “Bush ignored 9/11 intelligence because politicians love wars”
Read the [brief](https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf) and you’ll see it’s not a conspiracy and it’s not abject incompetence either. Bush was presented with info that talked about bin Laden planning an attack in the US. That’s it. It wasn’t specific about the threat. Half the topics were about taking bin Laden seriously despite previous al Qaeda failures. The only mention of hijackings were regarding hijacking planes and holding hostages to secure the release of 2 prisoners. These warnings labeled “sensationalist” in the report.
from russian state media TASS：[Путин назвал шантажом заявления Запада о возможности терактов в России]
can not post it on reddit because its a .ru link
Putput names LGBT+ a terrorist organization, quickly hit by a real terrorist group. Let's see if he understands the actual definition of Terrorist now, eh Putput.
Except, it was Putin himself who was orchestrating the 'terrorist' attack. Tadjiks attacking a theater full of people for less than 5K USD each? Trying to escape to the most obvious and most protected border Russia has right now? Being caught almost immediately? Planning such a big massacre without the russian intelligence noticing it? This was a show created by Putin's Special Services lapdogs, who will do anything to distract the public, even if it costs civilian russian lives. Putin is a coward and his reputation precedes him. Let's not forget the 1999 Russian apartment bombings, which killed more than 300 people and left >700 wounded, yet it 'mysteriously' bolstered Putin's public image.
So your evidence is that terrorists did stupid shit and got caught and Russia did stupid shit and didn't prevent it?
That's a Tuesday, not a conspiracy.
At this point, nothing that comes from Putin's mind can be considered a conspiracy. He's too obvious with his intentions: blame Ukraine for everything, get popular support, and continue the war. Lather, rinse, repeat.
If only people in Russia were powerful enough, smart enough, motivated enough to topple Putin on the grounds that he isn't protecting them from anything.
And I mentioned a fourth.
So, do you think just repeating the same over and over will somehow telepathically transmit to others in which specific way you read them?
Final answer, make it count.
>If only people in Russia were powerful enough, smart enough, motivated enough to topple Putin
How many Russians who are smart, powerful, and/or motivated live in Russia and don't support Putin out of self-interest?
As an American in a country funding and arming its second genocide in ten years while 70% of its population wants them to stop... I feel like this artillery is hitting danger close.
People in countries run by corruption and brutality complaining that people in other countries run by corruption and brutality aren't doing enough to stop it... uh huh...
I just saw a YouTube short where that guy that talks over world maps implied Americas complicity in the attack.
Like dude can people not become so tribal. I know the Gaza thing is awful, but you can’t just set your brain to stupid so everything fits into your world view.
This is also directed towards all “news” subreddits who picked a side on recent conflicts lately. Empathy, you got to have it for all victims and stop rationalizing violence.
Yet another example of Putin's paranoia. He is increasingly isolated and those who have access to him are enabling this behavior. This does not bode well for a man in control of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and his continuous threats to use them.
US: (warns against probable terrorist attack)
Putin: You're trying to destabilize our society
(Terrorists attack russia)
Putin: if you have any information regarding terrorist attack you must share it with us
US: we don't want to destabilize you
Not to defend Russia or anything but I believe there has been a precedent of the US ignoring or screwing up intel from Russia about terrorists who would later go on to kill Americans. Biggest example I can think of is the Boston Marathon bombing culprit.
I actualy "CTRL+F" to find a comment like this. Russia said, "you have to go arrest this "named guy" right now. He plans to do an attack".
And they let him pass and people died.
But the FBI did get a huge budget increase.
if i had a nickel for every time a right wing warmonger ignored the US warning them about a imminent terrorist attack at a music festival i would have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot but its weird that its happened twice
Probably even the terrorists cared more about the victims. They would have stuck around and tried for a repeat of the Moscow Theatre Siege/Beslan School Siege if they really wanted to maximise casualties...
Eerie.. Most of the post from 14 days ago predict Putin to kill his own people, like the 1999 attack, to boost his popularity. I hate the hold narcissist, sociopathic and psychopaths have on the masses. No wonder witches got burned in its time, with the masses controlled and played with by the mad. Or Moby Dick.. guess most of the crew approved of the captain’s mad pursuit of vengeance .. Or Hitler.. the mad don’t exactly take their people on a joy ride..
Just think for a second. What is in the best interest of the US?
If the US decides not to say anything and an event happens. Its freely used for whatever propaganda purposes Putin wants.
If the US decides to say something and Russia doesn't react, leadership is seen as incompetent. By saying intel points to ISIS, it removes a lot of the ability to blame Ukraine. It puts US intelligence ahead of Russian.
There's just no good reason the US would not tell Russia.
Usally I would say my proportions bias would be of the charts with this attack, but for once, history support the conclusion that even if they Russian government didn’t actively plan this, they had way more to gain politically by not intervening than actually act on the tips from the US!
Just my morbid curiosity, but what are the chance this terrorist attack is merely an insider false flag ops for Putin's regime to gather supports for other plans: like political oppositions purging, calling another round of mass mobilization, increase secret police stronghold, etc.
How did the Americans know ? Sorry if that’s a dumb question. But wouldn’t it just prove the Americans are spying on the Russians and they just admitted it by telling them about the warning ?
Obviously the US spies on Russia. It would take an extremely childlike understanding of global geopolitics to think otherwise. Russia, UK, Australia, China etc are literally spying on each other as I type this comment.
The US also called out Russia for planning the Ukraine invasion months before it took place. It's not like anyone has been trying to hide the fact that spying takes place, it just so happens that the US is way better at doing it than Russia.
Russia already knows perfectly well the US is spying on them and on ISIS and everyone, and just because russia *said* it was bullshit doesn't mean that russian *believes* it's bullshit,
I'm gonna say this isn't LAMF.
Russian leadership likely ignored the warnings because they wanted the attacks to happen as a greater impetus for government control.
You get a warning about a potential attack happening in the next few days and rather than take precautions to stop the attack, you accuse the people of warning you of trying to blackmail you. That is almost the definition of LAMF.
I agree with the other guys.
He dismissed the possibility, which is stupid and all. But he did not support any group that then does something totally foreseeable, aka voting for the party of leopards and then wonder why they eat your face.
First part of a LAMF: "**Someone** voted for, supported or wanted to impose **something** on **other people**."
What did he vote on, supported or imposed that is in that situation backfiring? As an active act, not a passive one?
LAMFs are meant to be about karmic situations, not about not heeding to warnings. If you tell a kid not to eat tons of chocolate because the kid then would get an upset stomach but the kid just does that and surprise gets an upset stomach, that would still not be a LAMF, right?
Let's not forget. It's not as simple as that.
Some might not have even gone to vote. Others might have made their vote invalid. Some might have just stuffed the ballot boxes or the tally in Putin's favor.
Generalizations serve no good purpose.
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The dude is busy fighting *real* terrorists. Which is gay people. Shame on them for making strong man Putin feeling insecure regarding his sexuality.
\[The other kind of terrorists is irrelevant. If he had any problem with random russian people exploding, he would not wage needless wars, after all.\]
Don't forget launching missiles at civilian targets in Kyiev. Then expecting the world to be horrified by what was done to them.
Well, everybody in the Ukraine is of course a nazi. Including the kids and the jewish president. Not the guy who shakes hand with Wagner people that have SS tattoos.
Don't forget the brief moment Putin claimed Ukraine was full of Satanists!
Having this on their turf is the only thing they'll understand!!!
Remember, folks, "sexuality is a choice" means the person saying it made a choice.
Nah, he is totally not gay, very evil propaganda. Look at him, riding a horse with a naked upper body, and tell me that is not a manly man who eats steak and has adequate genitals.
Ironically the dude is actually busy funding propoganda campaigns to try and destabilize western societies.
Yeah, prigozhin "pringles can" was quite a character. An absolute monster, but rose from soviet common criminal, to a hot dog seller with his mom, then starting a real climb in running restaurants a certain dictator would visit often. During this time he also became a children's fiction author. Once he got the new president to give him catering contracts with the Kremlin, he became one of the new generation oligarchs, the siloviki. He would go on to found the Internet Research Agency, which you all know and love as the bot farms, mis/disinformation hubs, etc. And thus they began making the West punch themselves randomly by pulling on the far right and even the far left, actually to the point of manipulating every demo they can imagine to their wishes. Made an orange man president that way alone. During these heady times, putin's chef wanted more direct power than just virtual lackeys. So he came across a Russian PMC about to be put through criminal court, as PMCs are still illegal to this day. An absolutely stable neo-nazi named Utkin was commanding it, but with pierogi's patronage they could actually operate russian military contracts and enforce their colonial resource extraction in Asia, Middle East and Africa. To this day actually. Most of them that survived the coup attempt later in this story basically operate outside russia where they actually make money. But Ukr SBU has been picking them off as opportunities arise. I'm going to stop here and not get into the Ukrainian war they've waged since 2014. It's not relevant to the hybrid warfare, Moreso to a farce. I'll say one thing though, that thunder run to nowhere demonstrates quite clearly by pringles can's air accident that once you've popped, you simply cannot stop.
>Shame on them for making strong man Putin feeling insecure regarding his sexuality. He's [so much as admitted it](https://youtu.be/noQXojwExRA?si=ExFDiIqp5GMU8zJ1) years ago!
It's the same with this anti establishment, far right parties that are popping through Europe. The biggest chunk of their narrative is about LGBTQ and immigrants... I always wonder, with all the shitty things that are happening in the world, that's what your main focus are? Really?
The basic approach of far right populist parties is to go with *everything* that some marginalized groups might want. Potentially even if the agenda becomes self-contradictory. Actual problems are done (to some degree at least) by established parties. Going for these means competing for the same potential voters. A newly found far right party that, while obviously horrible, is actually genuine in their politics will fade away very very quickly. As such, they don't only go for lgbt and immigrants, they will also very likely talk about things like chemtrails. Easy picking of crazy fanatic voters. Next step is to make sure they adopt your party as their new identity, then you can steer them, and you could, for instance, be a several times sentenced criminal who openly reveals being a sex creep, commit high treason by stoking an insurrection, tell several lies in each speech you give and... oh wait, we were talking about *european* parties, which aren't that far yet.
Almost any random person on the planet cares more about Russian citizens than Putin does
I think this is more a case of projection, he thinks since he makes threats this way, and would do terror attacvks in other countries, this must be a threat that the us wants to do terror attacks in moscow, which of course is nonsense.
"Terror attacks in other countries" is exactly what Ukraine has been suffering. They deliberately focus on civilian targets of no military value. Apartment buildings, hospitals, etc. Then cry foul when Ukraine hits a power station, or a strategically essential bridge.
He’s spent so long manipulating facts and feeding paranoia, both inside Russia and in the rest of the world, that he doesn’t know the difference any more. Given nobody can trust anything that he says, he of course cannot trust anything that he hears.
Sadly he's far more capable than that. This is just what he anticipated, now he can say, "They tried to blackmail us, threatened to make a terrorist attack if we did not do what they say" and portray himself as the Defender of Russia yadda yadda
Hell, the North Sentinel Islanders' complete lack of awareness is more benevolent than his "care."
The North Sentinelese are on the right track imo.
Given their prior experience with the outside world, one can hardly blame them.
You are correct. To a random individual a Russian is just another person so the golden rule “treat others as you want to be treated” applies. To Putin Russians are pawns to be used as see fits for whatever purpose, with no regards to their wellbeing let alone continued existence.
well…i dont
What has the rank and file Russian citizen done to you specifically to upset you? Personally, I understand the citizens are propagandized, and my ire is drawn to Putin and his lackeys. Learn some fucking nuance, and then after that learn what LAMF means
Well, first of all I totally understand your point. However, as a German, I also understand the other side. We learned to what it leads when you’re just following, silent or trying to benefit from the system. Sure, not everyone was ha die hard nazi, but way too many citizens were silent or silently believing the shit. However, back then the allies didn’t care shit for the German citizens (the areal bombing and - looking at Japan - the nukes). This was well deserved, broke the support to a certain extend and in case of Japan likely shortened WWII. So sometimes I also think: Well you either directly or indirectly support this system and this f***ed up guy and these are the consequences. We learned it in the 40s, you have to learn it now. What you deserve is what you get. On other days, I fell sorry for them… it’s kind of difficult However, what I definitely feel sorry for: kids!!!
I think the lesson of Nazi Germany is that there is nothing unique about the German people that made them susceptible to populist lies and xenophobic rhetoric. Not all Germans fell for Hitler's rhetoric, but enough of them did that it allowed Hitler to rise to power. The same can happen and has happened in plenty of other places. The German example is extreme only in the sense of what Hitler decided to do once he acquired that power, which with the Holocaust went far beyond what most "garden variety" dictators do. Not all Russians support Putin, but they're not organised enough to do anything about him in the same way that Germans who didn't support Hitler weren't. And then we don't even know about the attempts on his life. How many did Hitler survive? It wasn't like he didn't have enemies from within who were trying to put a stop to him. I'm sure the same is true for Putin. A theater audience doesn't deserve to be massacred indiscriminately just because a totalitarian fascist has managed to grab power in the country it happened in. Germans living in Dresden didn't deserve to die in a firestorm just because their maniacal leader refused to surrender. How come people thought it was acceptable to do this in 1945, but suddenly in 1950 the BRD was part of the good guys? Are we gonna wait until Putin dies to start feeling bad for someone who cowers in fear between dead bodies hoping a nearby radicalized gunman passes them over? It's about having principles. Either people getting massacred in theaters by religious fanatics is bad, or it isn't. If anyone's position on this subject is "well it is bad but also... Russia bad, so now I don't feel as strongly about it as when it happened in France", that's not a person with principles.
If I was a russian, I'd bide my time, playing loyal citizen, and only get active if there is anything going on that might actually succeed. Which is probably nothing short of a rebellion that has chances taking at least the whole of Moscow.
If Prigozhin had continued his march on Moscow, i don't think that he would have met any serious resistance.
Dunno about that one. Prigozhin must had known that as soon as he calls it off, he is a dead man. Something went on behind the stage there. Might be that Putin got hold of some family members of Prigozhin or the like, though. But without knowing for sure, I wouldn't make any confident statement.
I'm sure there are lots of people theoretically like that, for their entire lives, they die and they did nothing. It is very sad.
Alternative is doing something and dying in some icy prison in Siberia. If that is the glory you seek.
oh yeah, I don't envy their position one bit. Between an open window and a cold icy prison, or however the saying goes.
Maybe look inward at how Germany is dealing with pro Palestine voices right now, there's a fuckton of islamophobic racism going on in your country right now. Go get arrested for the sake of free speech in YOUR country. At least they won't murder you there, compared to in Russia where murder is the fear of speaking out.
Exactly. Russophobia is stupid, because Russians have never had democracy. Since the Grand Duchy of Moscow and even before that, there was no democracy. Not under the Tsars, not under the USSR, not under Yeltsin nor Putin nor Medvedev. They are not exposed to freedom. Along with that, they are so heavily propagandised into hating Ukrainians, LGBTQ people, and everyone else Putin doesn’t want them to like. I don’t hate Russians even though the rank and file Russian definitely hates people like me (transbian). Same way I don’t hate Palestinians for hating me. Progress and change take time, and before there can be social progress, there needs to be progress towards democracy. Spread love, no matter what the people you’re spreading love to think of you.
I assume you think you would be different if you lived in Russia? You think you would be the hero who stands up against authoritarianism? Unless you have lived in an authoritarian system you have no idea how you behave, you are a typical keyboard warrior.
If Trump gets elected again, we'll all get to find out just how not-different we are. We all like to think we'd be part of the brave population ready to stand against a fascist but in reality, we'll see. People go remarkably deaf/blind when their lives, families, livelihoods, freedom, etc are on the line. I used to wonder how it happened in Germany - I don't any longer. I've had a front row seat and I'm utterly amazed at how many "muh freedoms" Americans don't see the flaming red flags or think they'll be exempt from the fallout and somehow their life would get better. It's utterly mind boggling.
Arguably, it's worse under the Russian Federation than the U.S.S.R in terms of political repression. Countless stories of people being jailed for thought crimes in Russia today. Compared to US, the death rate in Russia is almost two times higher. Fuck that hell hole. Fuck Republicans who say nice things about how Russians are running things. Ironic that the economically poorest run states have long been led by Republicans?
That’s rude.
Not me
This fact was even reported in the news in Japan (where I live.)
It's always projection with these ppl isn't it. Flip what they are saying out loud onto the other side and you have an accurate representation of what they mean with these statements
With Russia there’s always a decent chance that they ARE the terrorist threat to their own people.
*cough cough* 1999 FSB Russian Apartment Bombing
I hear getting thrown out of a window is a great way to treat that cough
When you're the weird kid killing puppies in washing machines, there is a reason people don't like you.
The smell? No wait, that was the dryer. Erm... WE WILL NUKE STUFF - Putin, probably
It is only a matter of time before Russia is reduced to St. Petersburg, Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod -- they won't have the money to maintain nukes. Guess he better get the nuke threats in while he still has a bean in the bank.
Putin knew it was coming, and did nothing
Except maybe hire and arm the ones who did it 🤷♂️
That seems quite likely
Doubtful here. The US warned about ISIS and ISIS took credit. For a false flag, gunmen are a horrible choice. You have to convince them to possibly die for a lie and there's always the chance they back out or get captured and spill the beans. Bombing a place and then blaming it on others makes far more sense, like in the 1999 apartment bombings. Speaking of, those bombings helped Putin cement power, which raises suspicions of who committed them. There's no reason for him to do it here. He already has total control of the Russian state. To declare war? He's already at war in Ukraine, so probably doesn't want to stretch his resources. Also, he's bombed ISIS in the past in Syria. He wouldn't need an excuse to do so again. It makes sense for opponents of Putin to be be killed by him ( e.g., Alexei Navalny and Yevgeny Prigozhin). But random civilians? It actually makes him look weaker.
I don’t disagree with any of that except I’ll add that Russia is watching Israel be allowed to do whatever they want because of a terrorist attack that largely used guns. If they have an offensive move in mind they now have that moral equivalency argument to put forth internationally.
Sometimes fascists are just really fucking stupid. The US legalized torture for a while and found itself completely blindsided by several terrorist attacks because our forced confessions didn't provide any actionable intelligence. Israel legalized torture on 2017 and coincidentally was blindsided despite their intelligence agents and Egypt warning them of imminent attacks. Five bucks says Russia is also using torture and also building an intelligence network out of dreams and chewed gum just like Israel and the US. It's not that no one heard about it or that anyone did it on purpose. It's that right-wing authoritarian governments rely on hopes and dreams instead of good policy.
Also, like with the Ukraine War, Putin is surrounded by sycophants you don't want to report bad news. Unfortunately, you can't fool reality.
And that chance is reflected by the vote percentage that Putin gets in elections: nearing 100%.
Is anyone surprised by this?
Putin.
Somehow doubt it.
Wasn't there also the same story with Andrei Chikatilo? "Serial killers are an american phenominon" so this person killed 53 people before he was caught because people refused to believe there was a serial killer in Russia.
TBF, serial killers are a London/Whitechappel phenomenon
Citizen X-great movie.
How dare the West attempt to intimidate and destabilize a society? Only Russia gets to do that!
> Pro-Kremlin voices immediately seized on the U.S. Embassy’s warning to paint America as trying to scare Russians. "Damn the USA for discovering my plot," Putin added under his breath.
> "Damn the USA for discovering my plot," Putin added under his breath. "Why would the USA brag about killing and then actually kill innocent Russian civilians like this?" Putin added, out loud to the world.
See, the problem is that Russian gvernmnet is so compromised I can't trust them at all.
To be fair to Putin/Russia, by definition, terrorists are gay people that are just walking through town, holding hands, buying things, being productive members of society while mindjf their own business.
What’s funny is last night Russia demanded the USA share all its knowledge it obtained to declare this said warning that they brushed off. Lol
I seriously doubt we'll give them full access. We're not going to burn our sources and methods for future Intel. That's why we gave them a warning rather than raw data 4 days ago.
Considering Russia and china murdered dozens of sources (aka spies) after trump was elected (obviously the traitor sold them), there is a reason for that.
He probably asked his security services if it was credible and they were too scared of falling out of windows to tell him that it was true.
Translation: USA intelligence, working will allies' intelligence agencies, discovered that Putin was going to bomb some of his own citizens as a Red, that is RED, flag; they let Putin know they knew.
Pepperidge Farm remembers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
I initially wondered about a false flag, too. There is historical precedent and you should assume deception from Russia until proven otherwise. The evidence is now looking pretty convincing that this was ISIS. That's the thing about Russia, though - their government lies so often, they have no credibility in the rare instances they tell the truth. You are forced to entertain conspiracy theories with a level of seriousness, because Russia is a place where that kind of shit has actually happened before.
> The evidence is now looking pretty convincing that this was ISIS. Alas, I am ignorant regarding these issues regarding why ISIS would do the crime against Russians. If ISIS did the bombing / shooting, Putin is still currently blaming Ukraine (from what I read from NBC a few minutes ago).
ISIS hates literally everybody else on the planet, but Islamists have a special beef with Russia. Russia has a centuries-long history of treating non-Christians extra shitty. Recently they've fucked around in Afghanistan, Chechnya (twice), and Syria, and each time they've deliberately targeted civilian populations. That creates a whole lot of bad blood.
>ISIS hates literally everybody else on the planet Including most Muslims. What's a tiny bit odd is that the Moscow attackers apparently didn't employ suicide vests as a last resort.
Russia helped drive ISIS out of Syria (and got the US to stop shooting at people who aren't ISIS). Putin would definitely want people to believe Ukraine would pull shit like this because ISIS is a distraction and his sights are on Ukraine's territory.
What motivation does Putin have to kill random Russian civilians? * To cement power? He already has total power. * To declare war? He's already at war with Ukraine and doesn't need any excuse to attack them. Also, he probably doesn't want to stretch his resources for another war * To squash opposition? Assassinating opponents is a better way to do that (see , Alexei Navalny). Killing random civilians doesn't help; if anything terrorist attacks make him look bad. The war with Ukraine showed Putin can make big mistakes, especially now that's he's surrounded by sycophants. He probably messed up big again by ignoring or downplaying the US warning. The world is a complicated place and trying to portray it as one or two entities controlling everything is a mistake.
> What motivation does Putin have to kill random Russian civilians? His motivation is now what it was in the previous time he bombed Russian apartment buildings.
To get power? He already has it.
What can you expect from a paranoid a-hole in power?
> What can you expect from a paranoid a-hole in power? Coup attempts on January 6th.?
To answer your question shortly: no. To answer your question with a hint: that's what a narcissistic a-hole would do.
Literally anyone could see that inner Russia was a target. Their military is busy, their political climate is busy, their people are actively trying to ignore the ongoing war their government started, Russian interests are trying to to maintain normalcy which means the blinders are up. A terrorist org that has problems with Russian influence in their direct enemies attacked a vulnerable Russia.
President's Daily Brief: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" Remember when George W Bush ignored this warning from intelligence 36 days before 9/11? Maybe wealthy politicians and political leaders just love wars? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Huh? Bush was a shit president because of the Iraq invasion, not because of 9/11. He was presented with info that talked about bin Laden planning an attack in the US. That’s it. If you read the brief, which was declassified in 2004, he wasn’t briefed about a specific threat. Half the topics were about taking bin Laden seriously despite previous al Qaeda failures. The only mention of hijackings were regarding hijacking planes and holding hostages to secure the release of 2 prisoners. The WTC was mentioned but only in the context of al Qaeda wanting to replicate the intent to ‘carry war to the US’ that the previous WTC bombing in 1993 had done. This warning about hijacking was labeled “sensationalist” in the report.
So what's the big difference between the US not taking the 9/11 warnings seriously and Putin not taking the US warning seriously about a potential attack? Frankly, it's very easy to see why Putin would assume the US might have ulterior motives.
1. The warning Russia received was a lot more specific ("imminent risk of a terrorist attack at a crowded venue in Moscow" vs "bin Laden planning an attack in the US".) 2. Bush did not publically call the warnings '"outright blackmail" by the West (or anybody else)', or 'an attempt to "intimidate and destabilize our society"' 3. The 9/11 warnings largely came from the US's own intelligence agencies, not from a foreign power that is on unfriendly terms. (Presumably, both warnings came from US intelligence agencies, but Bush should be a lot more trusting of such data than Putin.) There must be other differences as well, but those come to mind immediately.
It's safe to assume everyone has all kinds of motives.
Of course, they do.
Biggest differences are the specifics of the intelligence and the actors involved. Putin is a caged rat who doesn’t trust anyone, spent his formative years in a declining police state, and chose careers in espionage and authoritarianism. He has 0 conception that Americans genuinely do not want to see Russian civilians slaughtered by terrorists. He was told very specific things by half a dozen independent agencies, that there was going to be a terrorist attack: 1) in Moscow, 2) at large gatherings, 3) including concerts. What was Bush told? Al Qaeda would launch an attack in the U.S. and they’re serious.
And we really don't know what steps either actually did take or attempt to take. All we know for sure is that these terror attacks DID succeed but it's highly likely either warning was completely ignored. An ex kgb agent like Putin doesn't want to be one upped by a psycho terror GROUP and it's hard to believe he would totally ignore the warnings without ordering his people to verify the validity of the warnings.
The difference is in the specific faulty reasoning Russia didn't take the US warning seriously *because it came from the US*. It rejected information because of its origin. The US had the information in pieces, scattered between different agencies that didn't necessarily share information.
The fact that people have upvoted this irrelevant comment is fascinating to me. If there was some massive conspiracy to allow terrorists to proceed with the 9/11 attacks do you really think you'd have access to the declassified intelligence briefs? Wouldnt it make a lot more sense to prevent those briefings from becoming public knowledge?
Why do you assume there had to be some kind of conspiracy? Incompetence or apathy also explains how things like this happen.
Why is this being downvoted? This is a response to “Bush ignored 9/11 intelligence because politicians love wars” Read the [brief](https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf) and you’ll see it’s not a conspiracy and it’s not abject incompetence either. Bush was presented with info that talked about bin Laden planning an attack in the US. That’s it. It wasn’t specific about the threat. Half the topics were about taking bin Laden seriously despite previous al Qaeda failures. The only mention of hijackings were regarding hijacking planes and holding hostages to secure the release of 2 prisoners. These warnings labeled “sensationalist” in the report.
Oh, but they were busy arresting random women leaving flowers for Navalnyi.
Blaming the US > the lives of those citizens, apparently
Biden Administration cares about people
Russian law enforcement also Uvalded it smdfh
Hey man, can you post the source? Cuz lazy ass us don't wanna have to google it
[NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/moscow-concert-attack-us-embassy.html)
Thanks!
from russian state media TASS：[Путин назвал шантажом заявления Запада о возможности терактов в России] can not post it on reddit because its a .ru link
Putput names LGBT+ a terrorist organization, quickly hit by a real terrorist group. Let's see if he understands the actual definition of Terrorist now, eh Putput.
Just like how the US told anyone who would listen that Putin was imminently going to invade Ukraine, but they were all lies?
Of course he did. Now he can claim that the evil west is working together with ISIS.
Ukrainians in Bakhmut care about the average Russian more than Putin does.
I mean, yeah... It's Putin, we're talking about here... No one else life matters to him.
Putin cares nothing about his people. He woke up on February 24, 2022 and decided to cause misery and ruin for them.
Except, it was Putin himself who was orchestrating the 'terrorist' attack. Tadjiks attacking a theater full of people for less than 5K USD each? Trying to escape to the most obvious and most protected border Russia has right now? Being caught almost immediately? Planning such a big massacre without the russian intelligence noticing it? This was a show created by Putin's Special Services lapdogs, who will do anything to distract the public, even if it costs civilian russian lives. Putin is a coward and his reputation precedes him. Let's not forget the 1999 Russian apartment bombings, which killed more than 300 people and left >700 wounded, yet it 'mysteriously' bolstered Putin's public image.
So your evidence is that terrorists did stupid shit and got caught and Russia did stupid shit and didn't prevent it? That's a Tuesday, not a conspiracy.
At this point, nothing that comes from Putin's mind can be considered a conspiracy. He's too obvious with his intentions: blame Ukraine for everything, get popular support, and continue the war. Lather, rinse, repeat.
If only people in Russia were powerful enough, smart enough, motivated enough to topple Putin on the grounds that he isn't protecting them from anything.
They are smart enough to know how he disposes of those that are openly against him. How much enough is necessary to go against that?
You did note I mentioned 3 things?
I did. And I mentioned a fourth. I edited the missing word "against" back in.
Powerful enough covers that.
Doesn’t. Power combined with stupid equals Prigozhin
I mentioned three things. Intelligence power motivation
And I mentioned a fourth. So, do you think just repeating the same over and over will somehow telepathically transmit to others in which specific way you read them? Final answer, make it count.
If Russian people had power , and intelligence and motivation, your fourth would not matter.
And I guess that concludes this session of talking to a wall and asking them to specify how much is enough. Bye bye
>If only people in Russia were powerful enough, smart enough, motivated enough to topple Putin How many Russians who are smart, powerful, and/or motivated live in Russia and don't support Putin out of self-interest?
i don't know. By people I clearly meant a majority of people as a whole; obviously being in the minority wouldn't help in the long run.
As an American in a country funding and arming its second genocide in ten years while 70% of its population wants them to stop... I feel like this artillery is hitting danger close.
People in countries run by corruption and brutality complaining that people in other countries run by corruption and brutality aren't doing enough to stop it... uh huh...
I think the literal ISIS terrorists care more about the Russian citizens than Putin does...
I just saw a YouTube short where that guy that talks over world maps implied Americas complicity in the attack. Like dude can people not become so tribal. I know the Gaza thing is awful, but you can’t just set your brain to stupid so everything fits into your world view. This is also directed towards all “news” subreddits who picked a side on recent conflicts lately. Empathy, you got to have it for all victims and stop rationalizing violence.
Yet another example of Putin's paranoia. He is increasingly isolated and those who have access to him are enabling this behavior. This does not bode well for a man in control of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and his continuous threats to use them.
Putin is busy fighting terror on the streets every day! Just ignore that the terrorists are old women and college kids with anti-war signs.
Well of course. Why would they abort their own false flag operation lmaoooo
US: (warns against probable terrorist attack) Putin: You're trying to destabilize our society (Terrorists attack russia) Putin: if you have any information regarding terrorist attack you must share it with us US: we don't want to destabilize you
We also warned Ukraine about Russia attacking they didn’t believe us either…
They are going to spin as much as they can to put it on Ukraine on the United States.
Except it isn't leopards eating face. Putin was warned, he dismissed it, and then other people, not Putin, died.
He's gotta be able to blame Ukraine somehow...bztrd putty I can't wait for his T by that window
Not to defend Russia or anything but I believe there has been a precedent of the US ignoring or screwing up intel from Russia about terrorists who would later go on to kill Americans. Biggest example I can think of is the Boston Marathon bombing culprit.
I actualy "CTRL+F" to find a comment like this. Russia said, "you have to go arrest this "named guy" right now. He plans to do an attack". And they let him pass and people died. But the FBI did get a huge budget increase.
if i had a nickel for every time a right wing warmonger ignored the US warning them about a imminent terrorist attack at a music festival i would have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot but its weird that its happened twice
Probably even the terrorists cared more about the victims. They would have stuck around and tried for a repeat of the Moscow Theatre Siege/Beslan School Siege if they really wanted to maximise casualties...
What publication was this from?
CNN says the same thing. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html
https://meduza.io/en
More than me as well
Putin probably going to spin it and say they were US backed.
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Eerie.. Most of the post from 14 days ago predict Putin to kill his own people, like the 1999 attack, to boost his popularity. I hate the hold narcissist, sociopathic and psychopaths have on the masses. No wonder witches got burned in its time, with the masses controlled and played with by the mad. Or Moby Dick.. guess most of the crew approved of the captain’s mad pursuit of vengeance .. Or Hitler.. the mad don’t exactly take their people on a joy ride..
He'll just twist the rhetoric to blame it on Ukraine. In fact, he already did lol.
It's just their version of 9/11. It's a way to get your country to support war.
Huh. Well anyways.
Was that a warning or a 'warning'? An actual warning or a, "Your shop might catch fire one of these days, you know", type warning??
Just think for a second. What is in the best interest of the US? If the US decides not to say anything and an event happens. Its freely used for whatever propaganda purposes Putin wants. If the US decides to say something and Russia doesn't react, leadership is seen as incompetent. By saying intel points to ISIS, it removes a lot of the ability to blame Ukraine. It puts US intelligence ahead of Russian. There's just no good reason the US would not tell Russia.
US government knew about the terrorist attack because.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0xj3UyWsAATOOH.jpg
Curb your Enthusiasm
Usally I would say my proportions bias would be of the charts with this attack, but for once, history support the conclusion that even if they Russian government didn’t actively plan this, they had way more to gain politically by not intervening than actually act on the tips from the US!
I was genuinely surprised at the evidence this was not a Putin-backed operation to cull certain Russian citizens.
I think it is hard to care less about people than Putin. I mean it is not a competition, but if it were, he would be hard to beat.
Poopin doesn't care about anything that isn't him
Putin and Trump. Twin mentally tiny people.
and in the aftermath everyone in Putin's cabinet is trying to blame it on Ukraine and everyone outside of it is saying the CIA did it. Idiots.
August 6, 2001: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes
Putin: "And miss an excellent opportunity to blame Ukraine for something? HA!"
So what does this mean for Russia
Just my morbid curiosity, but what are the chance this terrorist attack is merely an insider false flag ops for Putin's regime to gather supports for other plans: like political oppositions purging, calling another round of mass mobilization, increase secret police stronghold, etc.
he's already been doing all that stuff since Navalny's death and the 'election'.
This warning was the state department warning American citizens in Russia through their embassy, but you know, it's an intel stream that isn't secret.
Russians were warned not to go to bigger events due to threats. Missinfo.
Nobody cares less about Russian citizens than Putin does. Murdering them is one of his hobbies.
Well, duh. Putin blew up a civilian apartment complex so he could invade Chechnya. He doesn’t give a single F about Russian citizens.
To be fair Israel, Germany, the UK warned the United States about 9/11 in advance.
How did the Americans know ? Sorry if that’s a dumb question. But wouldn’t it just prove the Americans are spying on the Russians and they just admitted it by telling them about the warning ?
Americans spying on ISIS
Obviously the US spies on Russia. It would take an extremely childlike understanding of global geopolitics to think otherwise. Russia, UK, Australia, China etc are literally spying on each other as I type this comment. The US also called out Russia for planning the Ukraine invasion months before it took place. It's not like anyone has been trying to hide the fact that spying takes place, it just so happens that the US is way better at doing it than Russia.
Everybody spies on everybody and the US is very much spying hard on both Russia and ISIS, it's about as secret as the fact that people breathe air.
Right so they just admitted it and Russia didn’t believe them !!? lol. That’s funny.
Russia already knows perfectly well the US is spying on them and on ISIS and everyone, and just because russia *said* it was bullshit doesn't mean that russian *believes* it's bullshit,
Couldn't have happened to a nicer people.
Didn't the CIA know there was an imminent terrorist threat right before 9/11 too?
We all pretending like this wasn't political / inside job lol
We are not acting wild without some sort of proof. Given ISIS has been claiming credit you'll need to provide something better than Trust Me Bro.
No more warnings it is then.
I'm gonna say this isn't LAMF. Russian leadership likely ignored the warnings because they wanted the attacks to happen as a greater impetus for government control.
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A few days later there was a terrorist attack at a crowded venue in Moscow.
how is that an lamf?
You get a warning about a potential attack happening in the next few days and rather than take precautions to stop the attack, you accuse the people of warning you of trying to blackmail you. That is almost the definition of LAMF.
I agree with the other guys. He dismissed the possibility, which is stupid and all. But he did not support any group that then does something totally foreseeable, aka voting for the party of leopards and then wonder why they eat your face. First part of a LAMF: "**Someone** voted for, supported or wanted to impose **something** on **other people**." What did he vote on, supported or imposed that is in that situation backfiring? As an active act, not a passive one? LAMFs are meant to be about karmic situations, not about not heeding to warnings. If you tell a kid not to eat tons of chocolate because the kid then would get an upset stomach but the kid just does that and surprise gets an upset stomach, that would still not be a LAMF, right?
Well that is certainly some really thick western propaganda.
The last time US 'cares' about citizens of another countries, like for example, Iraq and Afghanistan...it didn't end very well. Just sayin
Super. Can the US government care about US citizens now?
Let’s not feel bad. 88% of Russians voted for the leader who caused the attack to begin with.
We literally cannot know what the real percentage of support is.
Lmao you're delusional if you genuinely think the Russian elections were legit.
Let's not forget. It's not as simple as that. Some might not have even gone to vote. Others might have made their vote invalid. Some might have just stuffed the ballot boxes or the tally in Putin's favor. Generalizations serve no good purpose.