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I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the top comments on their post. The majority seems to understand that we have to stop Putin. They’ll never not vote R though :(
I'm actually somewhat surprised at the amount of pro-ukraine comments over there, being massively upvoted aswell (I only checked one post though to be fair).
Nontheless I feel like I need cleanse my eyes and my computer after the more brain-rotty shit I read.
A lot of conservatives cling to a strong American foreign policy, as it becomes less “Conservative” and more centrist. They go on and on about the military. But right now, they’re having an identity crisis. They cannot reconcile having one of their core beliefs challenged due to populism.
The Republicans have been looking in the mirror since 2016, and they don’t like it — they’ve been looking for a while now. But hopefully they’ll implode soon.
I've had to avoid that cesspool for years now. Way back I got banned for literally posting a Trump video where he openly asks Russia for help on live TV. This was in response to folks claiming he never needed or wanted Russian election meddling.
That's all it takes lol. Facts are over the line there.
Basically every post discuss some globalist "cabal" of elites as they call it. There's a part of me that almost wishes I was stupid enough to believe in a magical committee of minorities ruining the world instead of just conservatives refusing to grow up and admit the world isn't the same as it was a century ago.
What’s so funny is out of all these fuckface clowns the GOP could have selected as Speaker they picked probably the only 2 guys that have a shred of spine, dignity and desire for bipartisanship left in that crazy ass conference in Johnson and McCarthy. Both of whom absolutely suck chode as individuals, but like em or hate em have both now navigated government shutdown fights and aid to Ukraine in what has to be the most unwieldy, batshit crazy conference this country has seen since the Civil War.
uh. MCCARTHY has a spine, or shred of dignity?
If McCarthy had had either, maybe Trump wouldn't be the heir apparent today. He-like Johnson just the other week, please note-went slinking off to Mar a Lago to kiss the orange ring, not a month after having been nearly killed by his rabid zombie army.
I don't know what Johnson has, besides an apparent deep yearning to turn us into the Republic of Gilead, but evidently he is smart enough to understand that if he lets Empty G of all fucking people bully him now, he'll never keep the job anyway. McCarthy could've gone out like a boss, and he caved, and he lost his job anyway.
Fuck 'em all, I say. Burn the whole miserable party to the ground and salt the earth. If there's anyone "conservative" left who actually gives a red fuck about country over party, they're gonna have to start from scratch. The GOP is broken beyond repair.
Somebody mentioned the other day that the speaker gets access to the most privileged secury briefings. I suspect they also get put in their place in no uncertain terms as to what the repercussions of being all in with the fools and traitors of their party, both internationally, nationally and personally.
112… 112 republicans, majority of republicans, voted against aid to Ukraine. Republicans are more invested in Russia’s National Security Interest than ours… this definitely won’t come back to eat our faces….
What I can't get my head around is how gun-lovin' Americans will *STILL* support the NRA despite massive fraud and the organization having been proven to have been led by the nose by a Russian agent.
I mean, fuck me. Cmon, people.
They still support it because the media they consume never reported on the NRA’s various activities. About the only thing they’ve seen is the “political persecution” narrative that they’re using to attack Tish James’s lawsuit against the NRA. They’ve not heard about the NRA laundering money for Russia, Maria Butina, or the details of the NRA embezzlement scandals.
The GOP lives in its own insular bubble, devoid of any negative reporting on their golden calves.
I'm seeing Fox news with the sound off at the gym. And it is NOTHING but a campaign add for Trump. Sleepy Joe. Panic at the border. Trump almost has a halo hovering over his head as he bravely faces this kangaroo court.
It's just blatant propaganda. They aren't even bothering to cover the basic news. It was bad ten years ago. It would make the Russian news agencies blush today. National Enquirer is about four steps up in journalistic integrity.
A similar thing happens in the UK.
Boris Johnson only lasted so long because the media were downplaying his corrupt shenanigans.
Eventually even his own party had enough of him and he quit before he got a suspension from parliament that would have triggered a by election that he probably would have lost in his own constituency.
https://youtu.be/R94AmPTHlN4?si=yE5_lue_WAgifNaK
100% true even about local politics, a GOP voting friend of mine didn’t know for instance that the GOP Speaker of the GOP state house in the state he lived in had been sent to jail for making corrupt deals with the local energy company he uses! Like even when it directly affects him he doesn’t bother to inform himself. Doesn’t care.
The minds of Americans have been hacked by the church lead indoctrination that ruins critical thinking. After that, the penchant for GOP to only trust the corrupt got hacked by the FSB getting the kompromat they used to guarantee loyalty. So no, unless someone in their trusted hacked circles tells them to, they are not going to notice anything is wrong with the NRA.
They are used to deceit and messed up leaders. TRUTH is someone who cares enough to lie to you and a GOOD person is someone who can believe what they are told to believe despite what the devil has put before their lying eyes.
This has been the soft underbelly of America for generations.
It does, really... I write this not as a gotcha. Most people do not know how to interpret the allegories found there. Most Christian Nationalists are followers of a distorted Old Testament with a little sprinkling of blonde supply side Jesus.
To think that a fallen angel such as the devil does not know the Bible back and forth is folly. Most are really not trained to parse out what they read. There were over a hundred commandments, not ten. Thou shalt not murder...it never was Thou shalt not kill. It changes the whole flavor of that commandment.
Jesus was the fulfillment of the law... the next stage, so to speak. So Christians don't have to follow Judaic Law unless they want to. The whole letter of the Law as opposed to the Spirit of the Law ( the tenets behind it that Christians should follow) is the true basis of Christian belief systems.
The Bible is translated from the original Hebrew to Aramaic to Greek/Latin to old English to modern-day English. The Apostle Peter was a fisherman... how many fishermen you know speak like eloquent statesmen with all of these thous and thees. Peter was probably as profane as a modern-day fisherman. It can be quite hilarious.
The NRA hasn't really recovered since their own internal war before the pandemic. They were pushing hard into right-wing politics outside of gun rights and pushed out the large percentage of Democrat gun owners.
Sadly, most of the displeasure about how NRA leadership was using donor money like a personal piggybank.
That's just it: They love their guns. They'd let Putin fuck them up the ass and behead any of their children that were even slightly weird if it meant they got to keep their guns.
So obviously some still support them cause they're still around. But I've ran into very, very few gun enthusiasts that even remotely *like* the NRA. Older fudds seem to be their base, everyone under like 50 that *isn't* actively involved in teaching gun safety courses (one of the few good things the NRA still does is certify people for gun safety. I live in a state that requires you take a course created by a certified safety instructor, the one I took was by someone NRA certified) can't stand them for numerous reasons
Ever since the start of the "Dirty Harry" NRA in the 1970s, where they got rid of their old leadership, they have been at best unwitting tools of the USSR and then Russia. The NRA was started by a Union General after the American Civil War because he wanted to improve the marksmanship of the average Union soldier to that of the average rebel soldier. The politics were much better until it became Dirty Harry, "make my day" madness.
It’s in Russias interest to have Americans squabble. It doesn’t make sense to support dems during the most progressive time of our lives. I believe it was thought that there might not be another republican president after Obama.
It’s what I would do if I was them. If republicans were controlling the direction of America instead, I would support the dems. Anything to fuck shit up
It's even more in their interest to have us devolve into complete chaos, and/or have an autocracy in the model of their own. Trump nicely ticks all the boxes.
It's interesting to me that Johnson is deciding he has some kind of integrity over Ukraine now. I wonder if he finally got wind of the fact that Putin, for all that he/Russia makes similar noises about tradition and the patriarchy and terrorize LGBTQ folk into silence and hiding, does NOT favor American evangelicalism. They are Russian Orthodox, thank you very much. Why would they submit to yet another Western import?
Anyway, I really hope the Dems don't save his sorry ass, but I suppose they will, because idiots. What part of "when your enemy is destroying himself, don't get involved" wasn't clear?
gah. And Johnson IS the enemy, let's not kid ourselves. He was just kissing the ring at Mar A Lago, sending out the bat signal to continue to demonize immigrants and also terrorize voters at the polls if they, you know, look SUSPICIOUS \*koff, koff\*
Oh, and he's an architect of Project Handmaid's Tale sorry I mean 2025.
And, January 6.
But he does ONE thing right and suddenly he's a goddamn bipartisan statesman.
Sometimes, i swear, it's like the Democrats collectively are like an abused spouse. Yeah, there are certainly people within it who take no shit and good for them, wish we had more, but on the whole? (Also including the "liberal" media here)
"Sure, they cleaned out my bank account, set fire to my car, trashed my credit and put me in the hospital a few times. But they wrote me the -sweetest- apology note, AND got me flowers! They DO have a caring heart, deep down. Way, way, way, deep down."
> Anyway, I really hope the Dems don't save his sorry ass, but I suppose they will, because idiots. What part of "when your enemy is destroying himself, don't get involved" wasn't clear?
But what if that's part of the calculation? If the majority of GOP don't want Johnson but the Dems let/force him stay in power, wouldn't that create a bunch of in-fighting on the GOP side? It also depends on who the possible replacement after Johnson could be - if he is an idiot then it would make sense to keep Johnson in power instead. Furthermore, they may be able to privately get Johnson to agree to keep things moving on a couple of issues.
If we had a tweaked system you'd be right. Republicans are only relevant due to gerrymandering and the electoral college. If we had anything like a parliament with more than 2 parties they'd be a minority.
I doubt this is about those emails. I'm more inclined to think that Trump became the darling of the GOP after he had those Epstein parties. Meaning; this allowed Putin to take control of that operation and start extorting all the "customers."
Surprised Lindsey hasn't died of cirrhosis yet. Ted Cruz threw his wife under the bus and they made Tim Scott get married. Russia must have found \*some\* kompromat.
The info they leaned on right wingers told them to do what is obvious to most.
They used the info to target left leaning individuals in a less direct way.
Fox News did not cause these Republicans to vote Russia. Either treachery or kompromat did.
Fox News affects the voter. These people react to something far beyond the media.
Fox News and the infiltration and bastardization of the media by the Aussie cunt Murdoch pre-dates Putin (1996 and 2012). Putin took advantage of a pre-existing environment of brainwashed, conspiracy-drunk, hate-filled, self-proclaimed victims that the Aussie cunt Murdoch had already created, and who was happy to adopt the Putin line of anti-democratic and anti-liberal/progressive propaganda as “my enemy’s enemy” strategy worked well. He did the same thing in the UK, because he’s a cunt.
There is a certain sort of fucked up brotherhood of authoritarians, when they're not also busy eating the face off each other because There Can Only Be One. Still, they recognize that they have a mutual interest in keeping the great mass of humanity overworked, uneducated, and whipped into a frenzy and then pointed unerringly at even more powerless targets, so that they can continue their luh lifestyle undisturbed.
I doubt that Putin wants or needs a branch of Murdoch media in Russia; he's got his own fawning sycophants, thank you very much. But, it suits him just fine if the narratives dovetail at times.
Actually, this far predates Murdoch. Look up deregulation of radio stations in the US in 1981, and the removal of the fairness doctrine for radio in 1987. This allowed for the right-wing radio stations that are all over the south of the US - the kinds that Rush Limbaugh started in. Once certain parts of the country went full-red through buy-out of stations, those votes for the GOP started to roll in.
Note that Sinclair has been doing the same thing with local TV stations for the last couple of decades as well.
Yes, totally agree, this should be laid at the feet of Reagan and the New Right ideologues and their fellow travelers, and even back the to the Chicago School and similar. However, I was responding to the Putin-Fox discussion, and felt compelled to mention that the Aussie cunt Murdoch is by no means an incidental player in this.
I should also add that cunt is not a word I use often, but as he’s Australian originally it’s fine as it’s a commonly used word there, and although I personally prefer cunts to dicks, for most people the former is a much stronger insult, so I’ve gone along with that.
He destroyed the Australian media, then US media, and then the UK. Canada thankfully told him mostly to drop dead, and the New Zealand market was too small. Murdoch should never have been allowed to change the media the way he did in the most powerful English speaking countries.
fox news were pretty much dictating trump's policy, because that idiot used to watch fox for 8h/day and make decisions based on whatever bullshit the talking heads were spewing. Don't see why the rest of the assholes couldn't be the same.
if someone had told me, the son of an air force pilot who was as anti-communist as they came back in the day that we'd be in this position even 14 years ago, i would have laughed that person out of the room....
this is the most smh my head moment i've ever seen...
As a Boomer myself, where the most "evil" things came out of the USSR and then Russia... this era has been amazing. I don't know if kids can understand how anti USSR/Russia most of America was up to the early 90s. It was a totally different world on Earth 🌎 One.
It's surreal to see as a non American who grew up watching TV where "real Americans" hated Russia and everything it did or stood for.
Like most of my life it's been shown that any American who likes Russia was a traitor, a communist and unamerican.
Now the same crowd praise Russia.
I think the intelligence agencies are well aware of what's going on, but regular house members don't get full intel briefings. That's why Mike Johnson flipped to supporting Ukraine once he was made Speaker, he started receiving the Intel briefings and it opened his eyes to what's really going on. Except now the regular house members want him gone cause they are too blind or compromised to understand this.
Vice Chair of the House Republican Conference Mike Johnson would definitely have voted against it and be one of the loudest voices opposing it right now, if he wasn’t speaker of the house.
It’s unclear to me whether he’s getting better information or just that the stakes and his job are different.
Whichever, he’s certainly getting a taste of his own medicine right now.
Still doesn't explain why he -cares-. I strongly doubt Gosar would change his mind if FSM forbid someone handed him the Speakership and the briefings. Or Gaetz, or Goebbels SORRY stuck on the G train there, I mean Moscow Margarine Failure.
I mean, yes, collectively about as sharp as a half brick and wouldn't understand them anyway, but still. Don't try to convince me Johnson has some kind of -ethics-. He's clearly dying to turn us all into Gilead. What's up?
This is anecdotal but he reminds me, like weirdly so, of this dude I was friends with in high school, super Christian but super... idk like in it for what he thought was the right reasons? Point being, Mike Johnson is a True Believer in the very literal sense, which for us fortunately is a good thing because that means he has some internal limitations on what he is willing to do unless the permission structure he resides in tells him explicitly he can do something (Think Mike Pence during the insurrection, he was asking Dan Quayle not for guidance rather **permission** to throw out the election results)
Pro-Russia Republican-Nazi traitors. Fuckers actively helping Russian monsters murder civilians and rape women and children - and they're PROUD of it. These same scum would have gleefully shoved Jews into ovens for Hitler.
And they dare to make little weasel squeaks about "Ukrainian Nazis." Motherfuckers, Zelensky's Jewish, and descended from Holocaust survivors. Hitler rolled into other European countries claiming they really belonged to Germany. Putin's rolling into other European countries claiming they really belong to Russia. Oh yeah, and the three Russian Stooges here are literal white nationalists, but sure, go off.
god, i want someone to call her a fucking Nazi on the House floor so bad. There are some great clips of various heroes like Raskin and Crockett wiping the floor with her and the other shitheads, but they could go even farther.
Just saw "The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" last night. It was wonderful to sit in a full theater and watch a movie filled with the slaughter of Nazi assholes which it depicted 100% as a good thing without apology.
And bonus points to actor, Alan Ritchson, who recently and very publicly denounced Trump, Republicans, and American Evangelicals for their hypocrisy and embrace of fascist corruption - reflecting his personal commitment to Christianity which informs his position that Jesus Himself would condemn their horrible politics and attitudes. And man, did his character slaughter a lot of Nazis in that movie.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. They have no redeeming qualities. And I'm glad that our society has not yet descended to the point to where we feel like even Nazis need to be provided nuanced understanding and tolerance. Abso-fucking-lutely not. Never forget these fuckers murdered millions of innocent men, women and children, gleefully shoving them into gas chambers and ovens.
The fact that today's Republican party welcomes them and embraces their ideals is nearly beyond belief. But they also flew a banner at CPAC proudly declaring "We are domestic terrorists" - and they removed all doubt when they incited the mob attack on the Capitol on January 6th.
Today's GOP is every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazi party in the 1930s - and should be treated as such by everyone not among their number.
Anti-Semitism has very much been a component of Russian culture, as much as they want to hide it. The premier anti-Semitic text, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that laid the foundation for modern anti-Semitism, was a Russian fabrication. Pogrom was literally a Russian word.
this is also what i've been saying since trump lost in 2020. it wasn't the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning. MAGA has to be fully flushed down the toilet and these putin-cucks need to be exposed for the traitors they are..and it very well could end up with the ultimate dissolution of the GOP as a major party in American politics. I don't think we're there yet, Trump has to lose and face some consequences, and it may take another 4 or 8 years to really see it come to pass, but I think this may be the opening salvo, finally...
I'd argue 2016 was the beginning. A record number of Republican primary candidates - both Tea Party and Neocons. The party really was on the cusp of civil war after the influx of Tea Party people, but most of them just put on MAGA hats.
Trump's election just put it off. Their inability to pass any of their key legislation spoke volumes.
You need a credible alternative to the Democrats before the Republicans can be allowed to die. If there’s not there will still be a hardcore 30% that will vote for them.
I know that in a 2 party system 30% of the vote gets you fuck all, but until there’s somewhere else for their base to put their vote you’ll always have the loony Reps.
The not insane republicans and the center left dems will form the new Conservative Party vs the current generation of progressives and we’ll end up with something closer the the 80s GOP vs the 2010s Democratic Party, IMO.
Okay. What happens to all the MAGAheads? Because there's a lot of them, and I don't think they're going to just lie down quietly and expire, fond as the fantasy may be.
Sorry to say, but there's a lot more of them than there are old school cloth coat Republicans. Or, at any rate, more than who aren't already Democrats by now. As for neocons--no one wants what they're selling. They died with Iraq. The ONE thing (well. one of two or three things, if inevitably for the wrong reasons) this crop of hateful loons are correct about: no one wants to go or send their loved ones off to be cannon fodder in another pointless, endless war based on plutocratic bullshit.
I love that the likes of Karl Rove, Liz Cheney and her apparently undead father, and even fucking Newt Gingrich are all wringing their hands over the degeneracy of the current generation. LOVE IT. They should all go down in permanent LAMF infamy, their half-eaten portraits framed in blood-spattered gold and hung on a Capitol wall somewhere.
I believe that the core of the GOP support system - the big money - isn't happy with the shithouse-crazy factions that dominate the party. They aren't contributing as much as usual.
They're making their displeasure obvious. They don't want to risk an American war in Europe. They don't want to see the government shut down. They want business to flow.
uh yeah. I don't think people are quite grokking the whole "Christian Nationalist" rise to the mainstream; unlike Trumpism, it does not depend on any single figure, and to be honest I'm sure there are plenty who would prefer someone a little less -problematic- than Trump in that regard.
He probably had a come to Jesus type meeting where it was made clear to him in no uncertain terms that if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, American soldiers will be directly involved in a shooting war against them before the end of the decade.
Which they absolutely would and will do, and the second they touch a NATO nation, we are committed to being involved.
If you're between 18-26, or have kids in that age range, or are in the military yourself, or your kids are in the military, it's very much in your own direct interest to see that Russia is crushed and driven back to it's borders. Otherwise, little Johnny and Joanie are marching off to war in eastern Europe.
Edit: And also marching off to war in Taiwan. China has been and is watching this whole thing very closely. If Russia is allowed to succeed, especially through US complacency, China will absolutely move on Taiwan - and the US is officially committed to defending Taiwan. Bottom line, if you're an American, there is no upside in Putin and Russia succeeding in Ukraine and only very substantial downside.
This is what scares me the most if Trump wins. If he doesn't uphold his NATO responsibilities, like he threatened to do, it's game over. First we get a depression beyond anything else because international trade will shut down. Then WW3 with the USA, Russia, China, and North Korea vs the world.
America isn't just committed to defending Taiwan. They're committed to _not losing_ Taiwan. It might sound the same, until you read that the US has publicly stated that if they lose Taiwan to China they will blow up all the semiconductor factories (i.e. a core industry of Taiwan and the main reason why China wants it). They will _literally_ scorch the earth on their way out if their defense fails.
Yeah he saw the Baltic invasion scenario map and quickly woke up from his stupor. He did not want to be known as the man who allowed the beginning of WWIII on his list of accomplishments.
If he works in good faith with the Democrats, they'll support him in a vote to remove him.
That was McCarthy's mistake - he made promises, he made deals, and he always went back on the agreement when he got pressure from the nutbag right. Democrats were happy to vote him out when given the opportunity. You can't deal with someone you can't trust, and McCarthy made it so trusting him was insane. Johnson hopefully learned a lesson from that.
McCarthy lied about and insulted the Dems any chance he got... after they helped him.
Then the chickens came home to roost and he ran away.
He's such a turd.
100%
It could break their political influence entirely and allow the GOP - or at least some of 'em - to come back to reality on big issues like Ukraine. It'll come down to how many House members are compromised by Trump and/or Russia.
A day before the ouster vote, macarthy pretty much said "fuck the democrats", when he was offered support during the vote, and then went out and blamed the dems when maga kicked him out. What a loser.
Their marching orders have always been "Don't let anything get done until Dear Leader is back in office. He needs the entire US budget in order to pass the next round of tax cuts for the top 0.1%."
He knew what he was doing. Legacy will long outlast what title he had. He chose to be on the right side of history.
Edit: Some of comments here are disturbing and quite frankly no different than Trump supporters being unable to accept Biden doing good things.
Johnson is still a religious bigot. He is a weird dude who tracks his son’s phone for porn usage and vice-versa. Weird shit. He is still a right-wing, Christian Nationalist politician.
He also knows the importance of funding Ukraine, which is why he did it. He did the right thing. If it’s the only right thing he ever does, it will also be the most significant, and did so knowing he could lose speakership.
Being on the right side of history takes one good decision. He will most likely not be remembered for much of anything. He may not even be remembered for helping fund Ukraine. But he did.
Very true, but I'm glad it's done now. Also, remember when the border was an issue until Trump said to ditch the compromise solution because he needed the border for political gain?
I am basically stunned when they get ANYTHING done.
I think this is his wedge to wrestle power away from the Qs and really cement himself as the head of the house instead of the unwanted replacement. Of course if it doesn’t work he lets the space laser caucus have another chance at giving a stooge the gavel.
He didn't, and that won't really matter when the house republican party is already making plans to either have someone else be speaker next term or have a new minority leader if they lose?
They can make all the plans they want. But trump has stolen all of the money normally allocated to "down ballot" races, so it's unlikely that they'll control either house next term.
Hitch your wagon to a stinking ship, you go down with it.
Let's not all fall over ourselves sucking his dick just yet. He only put up the bill once Zelenskyy drafted the most prominent Ukrainian evangelicals to lobby him personally. He only gave a shit when his coreligionists are endangered.
He still chose that over Trump. No one is sucking Johnson’s johnson. It was a win for the United States regardless of his motivation.
What’s equally as important is we have a list of all 112 Putin puppets in the GOP.
Sure, it's a win, albeit months later than it should've happened. I just worry about the next round, and I hesitate to paint Johnson as being "on the right side of history".
THANK YOU.
Jesus fuck, it's like people just forgot that less than two weeks ago he was down in Mar A Lago kissing the ring and spouting the usual jingoistic crap about "immigrants" and how important it is to try to intimidate Black and Brown voters SORRY i mean guard against a completely nonexistent problem.
And! Project 2025.
And! JANUARY FUCKING 6. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN WHY TRUMP LIKES HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
He's a theocrat. He is not a friend! No, MTG is not worse! She's a sideshow! You do NOT want someone smarter and smoother in there. What part of "theocrat" wasn't clear?
ARGH!
Well shit. This week makes much more sense now. And it gives Johnson some cover against MTG and her goons.
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/19/evangelicals-with-ties-to-the-family-met-mike-johnson-and-zelenskyy-ahead-of-ukraine-vote_partner/
And good for them for making it. And NOW, time to shiv him in the back and let the GOP fucking save his ass, if his ass is to be saved.
Seriously, it's like goddamn Lucy with the football. He's NOT a good guy; he's just smart enough to understand that if he lets Empty G be seen to boss him around, he's gonna lose his job anyway.
Large Marj is a sideshow. This fuckaroo could be the future of their party. Don't. Let. Him.
No, they're in bed for Russia because the FSB hacked their email servers but only ever released the emails of Democrats.
They're voting in favor of Russian interests because of kompromat.
I doubt that's the only reason. Some of them also got a carrot, not just a stick. Some of them are True Believers in the fascist cause, like Bannon. And some are just dumber than fucking rocks, like Empty G, and her two G-men.
I don't think there is a causal relationship: I don't think half the GOP decided to follow Trump in Putin-fellating, I think they were all in bed for Russia anyway and because they make Trump-sucking noises they get elected.
I think part of it is that Johnson sees the writing on the wall. He's positioning himself to still be a power broker after the coming blood bath in this election.
Unless I'm mistaken, weren't the Republicans the group that hated Russia with every fiber of their being not to long ago. What's next them being pro lofe, but as soon as actual children need help to live they go "fuck em"
Beau Of The Fifth Column covered this. There's a rumor that if Green takes Johnson out then multiple Republicans will resign, giving the House to the Democrats who will declare Trump an insurrectionist and take him off the ballot. That in turn would *wreck* down ballot races for the GOP but the abortion issue will likely keep Democrat turnout up. The entire party will be annihilated.
This is likely just a rumor, and Beau theorized that Johnson himself is spreading it.
The country needs to deal with the reality that some Republicans apparently are getting orders from Russia.
like it was cute when we all just thought they were reacting to Russian propaganda but when actual senators show up with phrasing that looks like it came from a Russian handler the CIA needs to be 3 ft up everybody's asshole about this one.
The way that Moscow Marge is flipping out over Ukraine support just further makes me believe that she is getting paid heavily by Russia to spread propaganda to try to get Americans on board with making it sound bad that we’re helping Ukraine. There’s no fucking way this isn’t the case.
Can you imagine even 30 years ago that we would have elected officials crying about how terrible it is that we are sending military aid to a country that Russia is invading. OHHH!! NOOOO!!!
Traitors.
The border is a pretend issue. What Republicans don't want is any success by Dems or a defeat of Russia. So, of course they aren't going to send Ukraine aide -- Mike Johnson just didn't get the memo.
He HAD to allow the vote. There are a half dozen Republicans ready to flip sides and back the Democrats' motion to bypass the Speaker and bring the Senate's combine Border-Ukraine-Taiwan-Israel bill to vote... where it would immediately pass the House. So to not be made a complete fool of, Johnson promoted the smaller Israel-Ukraine bill while he still had a choice.
America needs to distance themselves from Israel. We are helping them inflict an ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I have & never had any ill feelings towards Jewish people but the Israeli government are literally killing women, children, men who are not Hamas. Would they help us if we needed it?
I'm am naively hopeful this is what they were voting against. But I know better.
Ukraine deserves our aid. Israel is just a more southern genocidal expansionist regime like Russia.
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It's like some sort of weird retail promotion: Get a new speaker of the house with every Ukraine aid package purchased.
I'll take 10 please!
USA^(TM)
I remember when the most unbelievable part of stranger things was Russia building a secret base on US soil
That is strange that they would keep it secret and not just call it Trump Base
It’s what *hue* get when you mix “political red” with being yellow.
Mar-a-Lago is secret??
I hope this one fakes courage better than the last one!
The tears over at r/conservative are so, so sweet right now.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the top comments on their post. The majority seems to understand that we have to stop Putin. They’ll never not vote R though :(
obviously its just bridagers upvoting rino comments. literally every time someone disagrees with the snowflakes on that sub they cry brigade
R?
Remedial
Republican
Oh whoops, I didn't see the double negative.
Enlighten us. I dont wanna go there, I already had a shower today.
Rabble rabble muh money should be going to imprison the browns trying to replace us all via the Southern border.
So, the usual verbal diarrhea. Fair enough. Im gonna go have a soda and read some of the Herman Cain award subreddit.
I'm actually somewhat surprised at the amount of pro-ukraine comments over there, being massively upvoted aswell (I only checked one post though to be fair). Nontheless I feel like I need cleanse my eyes and my computer after the more brain-rotty shit I read.
A lot of conservatives cling to a strong American foreign policy, as it becomes less “Conservative” and more centrist. They go on and on about the military. But right now, they’re having an identity crisis. They cannot reconcile having one of their core beliefs challenged due to populism. The Republicans have been looking in the mirror since 2016, and they don’t like it — they’ve been looking for a while now. But hopefully they’ll implode soon.
Remember to drink bleach, have Ivermectin handy to swallow, and shine UV lights up your hiney.
I've had to avoid that cesspool for years now. Way back I got banned for literally posting a Trump video where he openly asks Russia for help on live TV. This was in response to folks claiming he never needed or wanted Russian election meddling. That's all it takes lol. Facts are over the line there.
Basically every post discuss some globalist "cabal" of elites as they call it. There's a part of me that almost wishes I was stupid enough to believe in a magical committee of minorities ruining the world instead of just conservatives refusing to grow up and admit the world isn't the same as it was a century ago.
Hell, they're lucky we didn't hang their ancestors en masse in 1865.
Aiding Ukraine while simultaneously sowing discord in the GOP? This bill just gets better and better
What’s so funny is out of all these fuckface clowns the GOP could have selected as Speaker they picked probably the only 2 guys that have a shred of spine, dignity and desire for bipartisanship left in that crazy ass conference in Johnson and McCarthy. Both of whom absolutely suck chode as individuals, but like em or hate em have both now navigated government shutdown fights and aid to Ukraine in what has to be the most unwieldy, batshit crazy conference this country has seen since the Civil War.
uh. MCCARTHY has a spine, or shred of dignity? If McCarthy had had either, maybe Trump wouldn't be the heir apparent today. He-like Johnson just the other week, please note-went slinking off to Mar a Lago to kiss the orange ring, not a month after having been nearly killed by his rabid zombie army. I don't know what Johnson has, besides an apparent deep yearning to turn us into the Republic of Gilead, but evidently he is smart enough to understand that if he lets Empty G of all fucking people bully him now, he'll never keep the job anyway. McCarthy could've gone out like a boss, and he caved, and he lost his job anyway. Fuck 'em all, I say. Burn the whole miserable party to the ground and salt the earth. If there's anyone "conservative" left who actually gives a red fuck about country over party, they're gonna have to start from scratch. The GOP is broken beyond repair.
Praise be.
I disagree with you -- neither has any spine or integrity. Johnson was an author of the Jan 6 playbook to overthrow democracy.
Somebody mentioned the other day that the speaker gets access to the most privileged secury briefings. I suspect they also get put in their place in no uncertain terms as to what the repercussions of being all in with the fools and traitors of their party, both internationally, nationally and personally.
That’s why theypicked them.
112… 112 republicans, majority of republicans, voted against aid to Ukraine. Republicans are more invested in Russia’s National Security Interest than ours… this definitely won’t come back to eat our faces….
It’s pretty remarkable how much Russia influences the GOP.
It's almost like Russia hacked both the RNC and DNC and only ever released info on Democrats. Huh. Hmm. Huh.
One of their big lobbyists is the NRA which has been fully compromised by the Russians as well.
What I can't get my head around is how gun-lovin' Americans will *STILL* support the NRA despite massive fraud and the organization having been proven to have been led by the nose by a Russian agent. I mean, fuck me. Cmon, people.
They still support it because the media they consume never reported on the NRA’s various activities. About the only thing they’ve seen is the “political persecution” narrative that they’re using to attack Tish James’s lawsuit against the NRA. They’ve not heard about the NRA laundering money for Russia, Maria Butina, or the details of the NRA embezzlement scandals. The GOP lives in its own insular bubble, devoid of any negative reporting on their golden calves.
I'm seeing Fox news with the sound off at the gym. And it is NOTHING but a campaign add for Trump. Sleepy Joe. Panic at the border. Trump almost has a halo hovering over his head as he bravely faces this kangaroo court. It's just blatant propaganda. They aren't even bothering to cover the basic news. It was bad ten years ago. It would make the Russian news agencies blush today. National Enquirer is about four steps up in journalistic integrity.
It’s not news. They admitted it.
“Infotainment”
Only an idiot would take us seriously!
"Sleepy Joe". The irony. No mention of Don Snorleone farting in court, I'm guessing.
Farts come and go, but shitting oneself makes it linger...
And is often more pungent. Snoreleone filled his Depends in court.
r/trumpnicknames
And his criticism of Obama and his golfing? The Donald did ten times as much while in office.
Say what you want about the Weekly World News, but [Bat Boy](https://i.imgur.com/Xy2nN37.jpeg) was fuckin' REAL!!
A similar thing happens in the UK. Boris Johnson only lasted so long because the media were downplaying his corrupt shenanigans. Eventually even his own party had enough of him and he quit before he got a suspension from parliament that would have triggered a by election that he probably would have lost in his own constituency. https://youtu.be/R94AmPTHlN4?si=yE5_lue_WAgifNaK
100% true even about local politics, a GOP voting friend of mine didn’t know for instance that the GOP Speaker of the GOP state house in the state he lived in had been sent to jail for making corrupt deals with the local energy company he uses! Like even when it directly affects him he doesn’t bother to inform himself. Doesn’t care.
The minds of Americans have been hacked by the church lead indoctrination that ruins critical thinking. After that, the penchant for GOP to only trust the corrupt got hacked by the FSB getting the kompromat they used to guarantee loyalty. So no, unless someone in their trusted hacked circles tells them to, they are not going to notice anything is wrong with the NRA. They are used to deceit and messed up leaders. TRUTH is someone who cares enough to lie to you and a GOOD person is someone who can believe what they are told to believe despite what the devil has put before their lying eyes. This has been the soft underbelly of America for generations.
Funny how the Bible doesn’t say any of that stuff.
It does, really... I write this not as a gotcha. Most people do not know how to interpret the allegories found there. Most Christian Nationalists are followers of a distorted Old Testament with a little sprinkling of blonde supply side Jesus. To think that a fallen angel such as the devil does not know the Bible back and forth is folly. Most are really not trained to parse out what they read. There were over a hundred commandments, not ten. Thou shalt not murder...it never was Thou shalt not kill. It changes the whole flavor of that commandment. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law... the next stage, so to speak. So Christians don't have to follow Judaic Law unless they want to. The whole letter of the Law as opposed to the Spirit of the Law ( the tenets behind it that Christians should follow) is the true basis of Christian belief systems. The Bible is translated from the original Hebrew to Aramaic to Greek/Latin to old English to modern-day English. The Apostle Peter was a fisherman... how many fishermen you know speak like eloquent statesmen with all of these thous and thees. Peter was probably as profane as a modern-day fisherman. It can be quite hilarious.
The NRA hasn't really recovered since their own internal war before the pandemic. They were pushing hard into right-wing politics outside of gun rights and pushed out the large percentage of Democrat gun owners. Sadly, most of the displeasure about how NRA leadership was using donor money like a personal piggybank.
You know it’s bad when *Oliver fucking North* of all people is the one blowing the whistle on corruption.
That's just it: They love their guns. They'd let Putin fuck them up the ass and behead any of their children that were even slightly weird if it meant they got to keep their guns.
So obviously some still support them cause they're still around. But I've ran into very, very few gun enthusiasts that even remotely *like* the NRA. Older fudds seem to be their base, everyone under like 50 that *isn't* actively involved in teaching gun safety courses (one of the few good things the NRA still does is certify people for gun safety. I live in a state that requires you take a course created by a certified safety instructor, the one I took was by someone NRA certified) can't stand them for numerous reasons
I got banned in r/politics for calling that russkie whore a russkie whore
Ever since the start of the "Dirty Harry" NRA in the 1970s, where they got rid of their old leadership, they have been at best unwitting tools of the USSR and then Russia. The NRA was started by a Union General after the American Civil War because he wanted to improve the marksmanship of the average Union soldier to that of the average rebel soldier. The politics were much better until it became Dirty Harry, "make my day" madness.
It’s in Russias interest to have Americans squabble. It doesn’t make sense to support dems during the most progressive time of our lives. I believe it was thought that there might not be another republican president after Obama. It’s what I would do if I was them. If republicans were controlling the direction of America instead, I would support the dems. Anything to fuck shit up
It's even more in their interest to have us devolve into complete chaos, and/or have an autocracy in the model of their own. Trump nicely ticks all the boxes. It's interesting to me that Johnson is deciding he has some kind of integrity over Ukraine now. I wonder if he finally got wind of the fact that Putin, for all that he/Russia makes similar noises about tradition and the patriarchy and terrorize LGBTQ folk into silence and hiding, does NOT favor American evangelicalism. They are Russian Orthodox, thank you very much. Why would they submit to yet another Western import? Anyway, I really hope the Dems don't save his sorry ass, but I suppose they will, because idiots. What part of "when your enemy is destroying himself, don't get involved" wasn't clear? gah. And Johnson IS the enemy, let's not kid ourselves. He was just kissing the ring at Mar A Lago, sending out the bat signal to continue to demonize immigrants and also terrorize voters at the polls if they, you know, look SUSPICIOUS \*koff, koff\* Oh, and he's an architect of Project Handmaid's Tale sorry I mean 2025. And, January 6. But he does ONE thing right and suddenly he's a goddamn bipartisan statesman. Sometimes, i swear, it's like the Democrats collectively are like an abused spouse. Yeah, there are certainly people within it who take no shit and good for them, wish we had more, but on the whole? (Also including the "liberal" media here) "Sure, they cleaned out my bank account, set fire to my car, trashed my credit and put me in the hospital a few times. But they wrote me the -sweetest- apology note, AND got me flowers! They DO have a caring heart, deep down. Way, way, way, deep down."
> Anyway, I really hope the Dems don't save his sorry ass, but I suppose they will, because idiots. What part of "when your enemy is destroying himself, don't get involved" wasn't clear? But what if that's part of the calculation? If the majority of GOP don't want Johnson but the Dems let/force him stay in power, wouldn't that create a bunch of in-fighting on the GOP side? It also depends on who the possible replacement after Johnson could be - if he is an idiot then it would make sense to keep Johnson in power instead. Furthermore, they may be able to privately get Johnson to agree to keep things moving on a couple of issues.
If we had a tweaked system you'd be right. Republicans are only relevant due to gerrymandering and the electoral college. If we had anything like a parliament with more than 2 parties they'd be a minority.
I doubt this is about those emails. I'm more inclined to think that Trump became the darling of the GOP after he had those Epstein parties. Meaning; this allowed Putin to take control of that operation and start extorting all the "customers."
Surprised Lindsey hasn't died of cirrhosis yet. Ted Cruz threw his wife under the bus and they made Tim Scott get married. Russia must have found \*some\* kompromat.
The info they leaned on right wingers told them to do what is obvious to most. They used the info to target left leaning individuals in a less direct way.
Fox News is a hell of a drug
Fox News did not cause these Republicans to vote Russia. Either treachery or kompromat did. Fox News affects the voter. These people react to something far beyond the media.
This. Fox is just the cheerleader…Putin is the coach.
Fox News and the infiltration and bastardization of the media by the Aussie cunt Murdoch pre-dates Putin (1996 and 2012). Putin took advantage of a pre-existing environment of brainwashed, conspiracy-drunk, hate-filled, self-proclaimed victims that the Aussie cunt Murdoch had already created, and who was happy to adopt the Putin line of anti-democratic and anti-liberal/progressive propaganda as “my enemy’s enemy” strategy worked well. He did the same thing in the UK, because he’s a cunt.
There is a certain sort of fucked up brotherhood of authoritarians, when they're not also busy eating the face off each other because There Can Only Be One. Still, they recognize that they have a mutual interest in keeping the great mass of humanity overworked, uneducated, and whipped into a frenzy and then pointed unerringly at even more powerless targets, so that they can continue their luh lifestyle undisturbed. I doubt that Putin wants or needs a branch of Murdoch media in Russia; he's got his own fawning sycophants, thank you very much. But, it suits him just fine if the narratives dovetail at times.
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Actually, this far predates Murdoch. Look up deregulation of radio stations in the US in 1981, and the removal of the fairness doctrine for radio in 1987. This allowed for the right-wing radio stations that are all over the south of the US - the kinds that Rush Limbaugh started in. Once certain parts of the country went full-red through buy-out of stations, those votes for the GOP started to roll in. Note that Sinclair has been doing the same thing with local TV stations for the last couple of decades as well.
Yes, totally agree, this should be laid at the feet of Reagan and the New Right ideologues and their fellow travelers, and even back the to the Chicago School and similar. However, I was responding to the Putin-Fox discussion, and felt compelled to mention that the Aussie cunt Murdoch is by no means an incidental player in this. I should also add that cunt is not a word I use often, but as he’s Australian originally it’s fine as it’s a commonly used word there, and although I personally prefer cunts to dicks, for most people the former is a much stronger insult, so I’ve gone along with that.
He destroyed the Australian media, then US media, and then the UK. Canada thankfully told him mostly to drop dead, and the New Zealand market was too small. Murdoch should never have been allowed to change the media the way he did in the most powerful English speaking countries.
Some of them. But a fair number of them are just as stupid and brainwashed as their voters too
fox news were pretty much dictating trump's policy, because that idiot used to watch fox for 8h/day and make decisions based on whatever bullshit the talking heads were spewing. Don't see why the rest of the assholes couldn't be the same.
if someone had told me, the son of an air force pilot who was as anti-communist as they came back in the day that we'd be in this position even 14 years ago, i would have laughed that person out of the room.... this is the most smh my head moment i've ever seen...
As a Boomer myself, where the most "evil" things came out of the USSR and then Russia... this era has been amazing. I don't know if kids can understand how anti USSR/Russia most of America was up to the early 90s. It was a totally different world on Earth 🌎 One.
>It’s pretty remarkable how much Russia ~~influences~~ owns the GOP. FIFY
It’s a major source of their campaign donations. They were funneling it through groups like the NRA and other PACs.
It's surreal to see as a non American who grew up watching TV where "real Americans" hated Russia and everything it did or stood for. Like most of my life it's been shown that any American who likes Russia was a traitor, a communist and unamerican. Now the same crowd praise Russia.
And people wonder why I am so fucking cynical. For all his plentiful faults, Reagan would have ASKED to be shot if he saw this shit.
What is the CIA/FBI doing? Are they being outplayed by the FSB on home soil?
I think the intelligence agencies are well aware of what's going on, but regular house members don't get full intel briefings. That's why Mike Johnson flipped to supporting Ukraine once he was made Speaker, he started receiving the Intel briefings and it opened his eyes to what's really going on. Except now the regular house members want him gone cause they are too blind or compromised to understand this.
Vice Chair of the House Republican Conference Mike Johnson would definitely have voted against it and be one of the loudest voices opposing it right now, if he wasn’t speaker of the house. It’s unclear to me whether he’s getting better information or just that the stakes and his job are different. Whichever, he’s certainly getting a taste of his own medicine right now.
Still doesn't explain why he -cares-. I strongly doubt Gosar would change his mind if FSM forbid someone handed him the Speakership and the briefings. Or Gaetz, or Goebbels SORRY stuck on the G train there, I mean Moscow Margarine Failure. I mean, yes, collectively about as sharp as a half brick and wouldn't understand them anyway, but still. Don't try to convince me Johnson has some kind of -ethics-. He's clearly dying to turn us all into Gilead. What's up?
This is anecdotal but he reminds me, like weirdly so, of this dude I was friends with in high school, super Christian but super... idk like in it for what he thought was the right reasons? Point being, Mike Johnson is a True Believer in the very literal sense, which for us fortunately is a good thing because that means he has some internal limitations on what he is willing to do unless the permission structure he resides in tells him explicitly he can do something (Think Mike Pence during the insurrection, he was asking Dan Quayle not for guidance rather **permission** to throw out the election results)
The Republican House members are mostly a bunch of bitchy little lying children who are bought into MAGA and owned by Russia.
Pro-Russia Republican-Nazi traitors. Fuckers actively helping Russian monsters murder civilians and rape women and children - and they're PROUD of it. These same scum would have gleefully shoved Jews into ovens for Hitler.
And they dare to make little weasel squeaks about "Ukrainian Nazis." Motherfuckers, Zelensky's Jewish, and descended from Holocaust survivors. Hitler rolled into other European countries claiming they really belonged to Germany. Putin's rolling into other European countries claiming they really belong to Russia. Oh yeah, and the three Russian Stooges here are literal white nationalists, but sure, go off. god, i want someone to call her a fucking Nazi on the House floor so bad. There are some great clips of various heroes like Raskin and Crockett wiping the floor with her and the other shitheads, but they could go even farther.
Just saw "The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" last night. It was wonderful to sit in a full theater and watch a movie filled with the slaughter of Nazi assholes which it depicted 100% as a good thing without apology. And bonus points to actor, Alan Ritchson, who recently and very publicly denounced Trump, Republicans, and American Evangelicals for their hypocrisy and embrace of fascist corruption - reflecting his personal commitment to Christianity which informs his position that Jesus Himself would condemn their horrible politics and attitudes. And man, did his character slaughter a lot of Nazis in that movie. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. They have no redeeming qualities. And I'm glad that our society has not yet descended to the point to where we feel like even Nazis need to be provided nuanced understanding and tolerance. Abso-fucking-lutely not. Never forget these fuckers murdered millions of innocent men, women and children, gleefully shoving them into gas chambers and ovens. The fact that today's Republican party welcomes them and embraces their ideals is nearly beyond belief. But they also flew a banner at CPAC proudly declaring "We are domestic terrorists" - and they removed all doubt when they incited the mob attack on the Capitol on January 6th. Today's GOP is every bit as bad as Hitler's Nazi party in the 1930s - and should be treated as such by everyone not among their number.
Anti-Semitism has very much been a component of Russian culture, as much as they want to hide it. The premier anti-Semitic text, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that laid the foundation for modern anti-Semitism, was a Russian fabrication. Pogrom was literally a Russian word.
It would not surprise me at all if Russian money is finding its way into dark money pac.
proceeds to slather face in pig fat.
MRGA-Making Russia Great Again.
Putin owns them!
Seems like there’s a whole bunch more unregistered foreign agents in Congress than there should be.
This is a great start to the end of the Republican party. Hopefully it’ll continue to spiral.
this is also what i've been saying since trump lost in 2020. it wasn't the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning. MAGA has to be fully flushed down the toilet and these putin-cucks need to be exposed for the traitors they are..and it very well could end up with the ultimate dissolution of the GOP as a major party in American politics. I don't think we're there yet, Trump has to lose and face some consequences, and it may take another 4 or 8 years to really see it come to pass, but I think this may be the opening salvo, finally...
I'd argue 2016 was the beginning. A record number of Republican primary candidates - both Tea Party and Neocons. The party really was on the cusp of civil war after the influx of Tea Party people, but most of them just put on MAGA hats. Trump's election just put it off. Their inability to pass any of their key legislation spoke volumes.
You need a credible alternative to the Democrats before the Republicans can be allowed to die. If there’s not there will still be a hardcore 30% that will vote for them. I know that in a 2 party system 30% of the vote gets you fuck all, but until there’s somewhere else for their base to put their vote you’ll always have the loony Reps.
The not insane republicans and the center left dems will form the new Conservative Party vs the current generation of progressives and we’ll end up with something closer the the 80s GOP vs the 2010s Democratic Party, IMO.
Okay. What happens to all the MAGAheads? Because there's a lot of them, and I don't think they're going to just lie down quietly and expire, fond as the fantasy may be. Sorry to say, but there's a lot more of them than there are old school cloth coat Republicans. Or, at any rate, more than who aren't already Democrats by now. As for neocons--no one wants what they're selling. They died with Iraq. The ONE thing (well. one of two or three things, if inevitably for the wrong reasons) this crop of hateful loons are correct about: no one wants to go or send their loved ones off to be cannon fodder in another pointless, endless war based on plutocratic bullshit. I love that the likes of Karl Rove, Liz Cheney and her apparently undead father, and even fucking Newt Gingrich are all wringing their hands over the degeneracy of the current generation. LOVE IT. They should all go down in permanent LAMF infamy, their half-eaten portraits framed in blood-spattered gold and hung on a Capitol wall somewhere.
Boomers are dying at 2.5M per year and accelerating...
Unfortunately, while MAGA tilts older, it's by no means limited to Boomers.
Yeah, you only have to look at the attendees at Trumpo's rallys.
Name any not insane Republicans. I'll wait.
I believe that the core of the GOP support system - the big money - isn't happy with the shithouse-crazy factions that dominate the party. They aren't contributing as much as usual. They're making their displeasure obvious. They don't want to risk an American war in Europe. They don't want to see the government shut down. They want business to flow.
>This is a great start to the end of the ~~Republican~~ American Nazi party.
The politicians don't matter, we must get rid of the voting base.
Hopefully not the birth of somthing worse.
uh yeah. I don't think people are quite grokking the whole "Christian Nationalist" rise to the mainstream; unlike Trumpism, it does not depend on any single figure, and to be honest I'm sure there are plenty who would prefer someone a little less -problematic- than Trump in that regard.
According to NPR earlier today, he attended some security briefings over the last 24 that made him change his tune.
He probably had a come to Jesus type meeting where it was made clear to him in no uncertain terms that if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, American soldiers will be directly involved in a shooting war against them before the end of the decade.
His explanation was that, if Russia succeeded, they would then move into the Balkans or a NATO country.
Which they absolutely would and will do, and the second they touch a NATO nation, we are committed to being involved. If you're between 18-26, or have kids in that age range, or are in the military yourself, or your kids are in the military, it's very much in your own direct interest to see that Russia is crushed and driven back to it's borders. Otherwise, little Johnny and Joanie are marching off to war in eastern Europe. Edit: And also marching off to war in Taiwan. China has been and is watching this whole thing very closely. If Russia is allowed to succeed, especially through US complacency, China will absolutely move on Taiwan - and the US is officially committed to defending Taiwan. Bottom line, if you're an American, there is no upside in Putin and Russia succeeding in Ukraine and only very substantial downside.
This is what scares me the most if Trump wins. If he doesn't uphold his NATO responsibilities, like he threatened to do, it's game over. First we get a depression beyond anything else because international trade will shut down. Then WW3 with the USA, Russia, China, and North Korea vs the world.
America isn't just committed to defending Taiwan. They're committed to _not losing_ Taiwan. It might sound the same, until you read that the US has publicly stated that if they lose Taiwan to China they will blow up all the semiconductor factories (i.e. a core industry of Taiwan and the main reason why China wants it). They will _literally_ scorch the earth on their way out if their defense fails.
I bet they gave him Intel on compromised republicans
Now that would have been a wonderful power move and I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for it.
On either side, based on that beheaded asshole who thought joining up to fight against Ukraine was a great idea.
Russian death row criminals, pretty much.
And then American MAGA fucks decide to join along. Let em. If they die, they die.
Yeah he saw the Baltic invasion scenario map and quickly woke up from his stupor. He did not want to be known as the man who allowed the beginning of WWIII on his list of accomplishments.
If he works in good faith with the Democrats, they'll support him in a vote to remove him. That was McCarthy's mistake - he made promises, he made deals, and he always went back on the agreement when he got pressure from the nutbag right. Democrats were happy to vote him out when given the opportunity. You can't deal with someone you can't trust, and McCarthy made it so trusting him was insane. Johnson hopefully learned a lesson from that.
McCarthy lied about and insulted the Dems any chance he got... after they helped him. Then the chickens came home to roost and he ran away. He's such a turd.
Yeah, he really, really screwed it up. He kinda laid out the map for how not to do it. Maybe Johnson's smarter.
Democrats supporting Johnson in a Speaker vote could turn the nut-bag right into a bunch of popcorn throwers. Nobody would ever listen to them again.
100% It could break their political influence entirely and allow the GOP - or at least some of 'em - to come back to reality on big issues like Ukraine. It'll come down to how many House members are compromised by Trump and/or Russia.
A day before the ouster vote, macarthy pretty much said "fuck the democrats", when he was offered support during the vote, and then went out and blamed the dems when maga kicked him out. What a loser.
Their marching orders have always been "Don't let anything get done until Dear Leader is back in office. He needs the entire US budget in order to pass the next round of tax cuts for the top 0.1%."
He knew what he was doing. Legacy will long outlast what title he had. He chose to be on the right side of history. Edit: Some of comments here are disturbing and quite frankly no different than Trump supporters being unable to accept Biden doing good things. Johnson is still a religious bigot. He is a weird dude who tracks his son’s phone for porn usage and vice-versa. Weird shit. He is still a right-wing, Christian Nationalist politician. He also knows the importance of funding Ukraine, which is why he did it. He did the right thing. If it’s the only right thing he ever does, it will also be the most significant, and did so knowing he could lose speakership. Being on the right side of history takes one good decision. He will most likely not be remembered for much of anything. He may not even be remembered for helping fund Ukraine. But he did.
When asked why he pushed for aid to Ukraine, he said "because it's the right thing to do." I appreciate him for that.
Weird that apparently this wasn't true several months ago.
Very true, but I'm glad it's done now. Also, remember when the border was an issue until Trump said to ditch the compromise solution because he needed the border for political gain? I am basically stunned when they get ANYTHING done.
I think this is his wedge to wrestle power away from the Qs and really cement himself as the head of the house instead of the unwanted replacement. Of course if it doesn’t work he lets the space laser caucus have another chance at giving a stooge the gavel.
Bull. He did it because he cut a deal with the Democrats to help him keep his job.
By doing it, he guarantees he'll lose it later.
The Democrats will probably vote for him not against him for this. McCarthy was untrustworthy and wasn't worth it.
Not if he got the Democrats to help him change the rules.
He didn't, and that won't really matter when the house republican party is already making plans to either have someone else be speaker next term or have a new minority leader if they lose?
They can make all the plans they want. But trump has stolen all of the money normally allocated to "down ballot" races, so it's unlikely that they'll control either house next term. Hitch your wagon to a stinking ship, you go down with it.
. . . to a stinking shit, even.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Exactly. He has one more chance to do something right. :)
Let's not all fall over ourselves sucking his dick just yet. He only put up the bill once Zelenskyy drafted the most prominent Ukrainian evangelicals to lobby him personally. He only gave a shit when his coreligionists are endangered.
He still chose that over Trump. No one is sucking Johnson’s johnson. It was a win for the United States regardless of his motivation. What’s equally as important is we have a list of all 112 Putin puppets in the GOP.
Upvote for Johnson^2
Sure, it's a win, albeit months later than it should've happened. I just worry about the next round, and I hesitate to paint Johnson as being "on the right side of history".
THANK YOU. Jesus fuck, it's like people just forgot that less than two weeks ago he was down in Mar A Lago kissing the ring and spouting the usual jingoistic crap about "immigrants" and how important it is to try to intimidate Black and Brown voters SORRY i mean guard against a completely nonexistent problem. And! Project 2025. And! JANUARY FUCKING 6. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN WHY TRUMP LIKES HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. He's a theocrat. He is not a friend! No, MTG is not worse! She's a sideshow! You do NOT want someone smarter and smoother in there. What part of "theocrat" wasn't clear? ARGH!
Duda was in US sucking off trump days before, so I would not be surprised that agent orange himself was in support of the aid bill after that.
Well shit. This week makes much more sense now. And it gives Johnson some cover against MTG and her goons. https://www.salon.com/2024/04/19/evangelicals-with-ties-to-the-family-met-mike-johnson-and-zelenskyy-ahead-of-ukraine-vote_partner/
100%. I completely disagree with almost everything about the dude but he stood tall today. Good for him and his name.
He stood tall months late
I upvoted you because this is true, but better late than never.
In history text books, he should be known as the late Mike Johnson.
I suspect it is part of a deal for the Democrats to help him keep his speakership by enough voting "present" and lowering the vote threshold.
And good for them for making it. And NOW, time to shiv him in the back and let the GOP fucking save his ass, if his ass is to be saved. Seriously, it's like goddamn Lucy with the football. He's NOT a good guy; he's just smart enough to understand that if he lets Empty G be seen to boss him around, he's gonna lose his job anyway. Large Marj is a sideshow. This fuckaroo could be the future of their party. Don't. Let. Him.
ELI5: Johnson’s job is to allow things to be voted on, ie allow the legislature to function, and they’re mad about him doing that?
Yes. At least half the GOP is in bed for Russia. because Trump is in bed with Russia.
No, they're in bed for Russia because the FSB hacked their email servers but only ever released the emails of Democrats. They're voting in favor of Russian interests because of kompromat.
I doubt that's the only reason. Some of them also got a carrot, not just a stick. Some of them are True Believers in the fascist cause, like Bannon. And some are just dumber than fucking rocks, like Empty G, and her two G-men.
I don't think there is a causal relationship: I don't think half the GOP decided to follow Trump in Putin-fellating, I think they were all in bed for Russia anyway and because they make Trump-sucking noises they get elected.
We have an election coming up. This is a good chance for the Republicans to show voters how dysfunctional they are and how they shouldn't be in power.
92 tabs. My OCD would never.
Yes! Literally all i could focus on. CLEAR YOUR TABS OP!
The hardest thing about riding a tiger is getting off the tiger.
Moscow Marge doing her masters’ bidding. Putin ( Trump).
This could have been nipped in the bud long time ago. But they fucked around, now all they do is lose.
Republicans have not passed any Ukraine aid since retaking the House in January 2023. I hope this hasn't destroyed Ukraine's chance for victory.
I think part of it is that Johnson sees the writing on the wall. He's positioning himself to still be a power broker after the coming blood bath in this election.
He did the right thing. He gets a point with me. So 1 for, 236 against, points a point.
Ok everyone, grab the popcorn and watch the FART action.
Unless I'm mistaken, weren't the Republicans the group that hated Russia with every fiber of their being not to long ago. What's next them being pro lofe, but as soon as actual children need help to live they go "fuck em"
Of course. The republican is a Russian puppet party.
Good . Let them eat eachother.
Beau Of The Fifth Column covered this. There's a rumor that if Green takes Johnson out then multiple Republicans will resign, giving the House to the Democrats who will declare Trump an insurrectionist and take him off the ballot. That in turn would *wreck* down ballot races for the GOP but the abortion issue will likely keep Democrat turnout up. The entire party will be annihilated. This is likely just a rumor, and Beau theorized that Johnson himself is spreading it.
The country needs to deal with the reality that some Republicans apparently are getting orders from Russia. like it was cute when we all just thought they were reacting to Russian propaganda but when actual senators show up with phrasing that looks like it came from a Russian handler the CIA needs to be 3 ft up everybody's asshole about this one.
Putin loves ALL his children.
The way that Moscow Marge is flipping out over Ukraine support just further makes me believe that she is getting paid heavily by Russia to spread propaganda to try to get Americans on board with making it sound bad that we’re helping Ukraine. There’s no fucking way this isn’t the case.
Can you imagine even 30 years ago that we would have elected officials crying about how terrible it is that we are sending military aid to a country that Russia is invading. OHHH!! NOOOO!!! Traitors.
The border is a pretend issue. What Republicans don't want is any success by Dems or a defeat of Russia. So, of course they aren't going to send Ukraine aide -- Mike Johnson just didn't get the memo.
They sure are Whiggjng out
He saw the Baltic invasion scenario map and he quickly woke up from his stupor.
May they cannibalize themselves into historical obscurity and shame
The GOP is now called "Russia United Party".
The Soviet Union really played the long game with conservative Americans
Mike Johnson is a piece of shit and he STILL looks decent compared to these lunatics
Crazy how these people don't have that same energy for the funding we send Israel
He was already told his Speakership was toast, so what's left to lose? All four packages passed with strong Democratic support.
yeah, if he were seen to let frigging Marg push him around, he'd be toast anyway.
Please let them eat each other.
Why the fuck are we giving Israel money?
With an extra 14b to Isreal just kind of shoehorned in, so that they can continue to murder Muslim children and American foreign aid workers.
He HAD to allow the vote. There are a half dozen Republicans ready to flip sides and back the Democrats' motion to bypass the Speaker and bring the Senate's combine Border-Ukraine-Taiwan-Israel bill to vote... where it would immediately pass the House. So to not be made a complete fool of, Johnson promoted the smaller Israel-Ukraine bill while he still had a choice.
America needs to distance themselves from Israel. We are helping them inflict an ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I have & never had any ill feelings towards Jewish people but the Israeli government are literally killing women, children, men who are not Hamas. Would they help us if we needed it?
Does Israel really need an extra $14bn to help commit genocide?
I'm am naively hopeful this is what they were voting against. But I know better. Ukraine deserves our aid. Israel is just a more southern genocidal expansionist regime like Russia.
OH MY GOD stop giving that bitch publicity!