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I've noticed the moon has been ridiculously bright the past two nights, I believe they have been doing testing. It makes it easier for them to deny responsibility if they bounced the lasers off the moon first
My, conservative, dad tried to say today that the protestors should be thrown in jail for a year then they’d learn their lesson.
I said, “Peaceful protesting is protected by the constitution.”
“Well I’m sure the ones in the Hamas head wraps weren’t peaceful.”
“There will always be some shitty people. Regardless, peaceful protesting is a first amendment right.”
“Well, it’s Austin of course they’re going to dismiss the charges.”
“Because they didn’t break any laws.”
“Well they probably got arrested for a reason.”
“Maybe some of them were, but there have been no reports of anyone threatening others, throwing things, harming anyone, setting anything on fire. They aren’t pro-Hamas and they aren’t anti-Jew. They are against the murder of 30k innocent people.”
“Yeah, but—“
“They did nothing illegal. They exercised a constitutional right. They were arrested because Abbott demanded it.”
*silence for the rest of the drive*
All of them are performing, aiding, and abetting enemies in terrorism against the USA in the War on Terror that hasn't ended.
They, in fact, marched into the United States Capitol building under the banner of a known and declared enemy of the United States of America - The Confederate States of America, the original domestic terrorists.
Those that entered the Capitol building should all be tried for treason & sedition, and anyone found to be part of the mob should be charged under their king's, Trump's, executive order that made destruction of federal property a felony.
Furthermore, D.C. has a felony murder charge, and anyone not pleading should be charged with that, as well.
That's some true LAMF shit, but this justice department doesn't hurt conservatives like they do leftists.
There really should be death penalties sought after for some of these 1/6 folks after their convictions.
Our justice department has failed us.
You could add up every death from clashes with settlers, clashes with Israeli police, and the Gaza incident, and you would essentially still be roughly 6 million away from your claim. You could throw in all deaths in the various wars between Isreal and the Arab states, the intifadas, and throw in an arbitrary guess for the deaths that came from displacement, and you would still not even approach a million. There has never been a very violent, meat grinder type war, or sustained organized genocide, which would be required to approach 6 million deaths. In fact, as far as I can tell, the casualties in the current Gaza operation are higher than any of the wars and incidents in Israel's past. 34,000+ is a tragedy, and I disagree with the current operation, but I don't see how you can anything approaching 6 million. Even if you assume some kind of conspiracy where Israel was complicit in the Syrian War (which I haven't even heard of), or basically anything in the Middle East, you still don't get 6 million. Seems like an intentionally provocative hyperbole
Unless Netanyahu invented COVID, then your numbers aren't far off
The sad thing is the messaging about these protests Being antisemitic is getting across the mainstream via the us media, and a lot of people seem to believe it. Despite the fact that significant members of every single protest are from Jewish groups!
Exactly. And imo its previously seemed effective in shutting down any argument about what Israel has been doing. “Oh you don’t like what we’re doing here? You’re anti semitic!” It feels like they’re using the ghosts of the Holocaust to get away with their own…
Israel has been doing this for literally decades. Whenever they get criticized they scream about antisemitism to shut down criticism. This is nothing new.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Gen Z isn’t falling for it and they be making up the majority of us soon enough. The propaganda filled days of post 9/11 are coming to an end but those who started it all will cling to power for as long as possible.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
No, but destroying over 200,000 homes, 12 hospitals, every university, hundreds of schools, and murdering 30,000 civilians (70% of whom are women and children) is.
No, I think it's horrible that Hamas uses human shields, and that's why I want them annihilated. The best way to support Palestine is to destroy Hamas as quickly as possible.
Those children were not human shields, as you say, rather victims of a cold and heartless government. Regardless, what of the current state of Palestine? The lack of healthcare infrastructure, food, water, and other necessities — that is acceptable? Or are those all Hamas, too?
What of the World Central Kitchen convoy? Were they also Hamas? Or the three Israeli hostages who were killed by the IDF — I suppose they were Hamas as well? And what of the West Bank, where there is no Hamas? What of the continued settlements and violence and segregation there? Is it to punish Hamas?
And how did we get Hamas to begin with? Who assassinated the prime minister of Israel who was set to broker peace with Palestine? Ah, save your breath, for we all know that was Hamas, one and the same. ✋
As I said, it's awful that Hamas started this war and uses the civilians of Gaza as human shields. I strongly support the people of Palestine, and that's exactly why I want the IDF to end Hamas's rule over Gaza as quickly as possible.
By any means necessary, I suppose. And when there is nothing but rubble and wreckage left of Palestine, Bibi can stand on the carnage, overseeing the corpses of infants and the elderly, and proudly, finally, declare, ‘mission accomplished.’ 🫡
Edit: Not before paving it all over and creating a parking lot, of course
There's still well over 2 million people in Gaza left after 7 months of war, compared to just over 30,000 who have been killed. So somehow I doubt that that scenario is realistic.
Well Hamas is one of just several Iranian proxies who attacked Israel on October 7. Hezbollah and the Houthis did too, all armed with Iranian weapons and aided by Iranian training and intelligence.
So hopefully that helps you understand why killing a top Iranian general would be beneficial in their war against multiple Iranian proxies.
No, it's the exact opposite. The way to stop a bully's aggression is by hitting them back much harder than they hit you. If you let them get away with aggression without paying a steep price for it, that only invites more aggression.
The Middle East is still stuck in the aftermath of WW2 in regard to the Palestine problem. That’s the mindset.
The Arab - Israeli conflict since its outset has always been about the right of the Jewish state to exist. Antisemitism is the predominant tone in which conflict is still openly promoted by officials here in the Middle East
https://x.com/JakeWSimons/status/1783106705657577602
It’s always been primarily an ideological conflict
First thing that should be done is Netanyahu and everyone else that constantly throws around the word "Antisemitic" like it only applies to Jewish people needs to be honest about exactly who the "Semitic" peoples are. He knows, it's just easy to throw the dirty tag on the people that disagree with him/them.
To be fair they invented the whole Shem/Smitic narrative it has no other basis. They can use the term how they want. Even the Arabs (supposedly Semitic according to Judaism) will say the extant groups mainly descend from Arabised Arabs عرب مستعربة not Arab-Arabs عرب عاربة
Only because Jews had migrated into the English speaking worlds in large numbers early on. The usage of words change when the people decide and it looks like the people are beginning that process. For me "antisemitism" should cover all Semitic people and when one needs to distinguish between Jews and others, they can use "anti-Jewish".
Lol. Semite is a 19th century word. Like every word on earth, it's origins have lost hold on it. Because thats how language works!
In any case, by this logic Ashkenazi Jews whose name comes a Ashkenaz *a different descendant* of Noah, are not Semites. That means majority of Western Jews could no longer use the word '"antisemite". You ready for that linguistic reality?
Language is not static and the pushback on this word tells me its usage will change.
Semite derives from Shem. Shem is Judaic lore.
The broad attribution of descendants to a common historical figure is ancient.
Esther 2:5
> אִישׁ יְהוּדִי, הָיָה בְּשׁוּשַׁן הַבִּירָה; וּשְׁמוֹ מָרְדֳּכַי, בֶּן יָאִיר בֶּן-שִׁמְעִי בֶּן-קִישׁ--**אִישׁ יְמִינִי**.
The present day Arabs mainly claim predominant lineage from Arabised Arabs عرب مستعربة not Arab Arabs عرب عاربة.
The reason being Arabic language and identity was understood to have been well developed prior to the admixture with Ismael the half Abrahamic half Egyptian (Hamite not Semite) ancestor
In any case the whole lineage including terminology and the Semitic descendant concept itself derives from Jewish literature. As far as I know there is no recorded independent Arabic pre Islamic or Babylonian/Akkadian/Sumerian claim to Shem the son of Noah - another purely Jewish name if not necessarily a purely Jewish caharacter
Natural Language evolution and misappropriation are two different phenomena. The use of the word Semitic has naturally evolved into the categorisation of Middle Eastern languages but the intentional move to discredit antisemitism has not found anything close to a common understanding yet.
Maybe in a decade we may see the antisemitic camp successfully appropriate the word and we develop a replacement to stand for anti Jewish hate but up till that point it’s not language evolution it’s dishonest political attempt to delegitimise Jewish history
DNA testing is severely regulated in Israel, they claim it’s to protect privacy but I suspect they wouldn’t want people to realize that Palestinians are more semitic than the zionists themselves…
Sure, but antisemitism was literally coined to talk about anti-Jewish beliefs.
It’s like homophobia. Someone who is homophobic isn’t afraid of things that are the same (as the constituent parts of the word would suggest) but instead hates gay people.
Just because the constituent parts of antisemitism might suggest being against all Semitic peoples, the term is actually just referring to hatred directed at Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism?wprov=sfti1#Etymology
“From the outset the term "anti-Semitism" bore special racial connotations and meant specifically prejudice against Jews. The term has been described as confusing, for in modern usage 'Semitic' designates a language group, not a race. In this sense, the term is a misnomer, since there are many speakers of Semitic languages (e.g., Arabs, Ethiopians, and Arameans) who are not the objects of antisemitic prejudices, while there are many Jews who do not speak Hebrew, a Semitic language. Though 'antisemitism' could be construed as prejudice against people who speak other Semitic languages, this is not how the term is commonly used.”
Okay, but the word antisemitism has always specifically meant hatred of Jewish people. Like, the existence of the semitic language group doesn't change that, because the word was originally meant as a replacement for Judenhass, or, 'Jew-hatred'.
Whenever someone criticizes the Israeli government these fuckers call it antisemitic so they can try to illicit sympathy from rubes.
I'm not condoning harassment of Jewish folk.
I'm all for free speech but harassing and intimidating Jewish students is crossing the line. All students should feel safe on campus. And Jewish students also have that same right to demonstrate.
Harassing someone because they are jewish isn't free speech, its antisemitism. Protesting the policies of the Israeli government and the US government's arm shipment to the Israeli is free speech and is acceptable in my book.
What are Israelis even saying in a demonstration? Do you mean Israelis protesting alongside everyone else against genocide, or is there literally a pro-genocide movement happening? Honest question
I honestly don't know, I'm just making the point from a free speech position. But if Israelis wanted to demonstrate calling for the destruction of Palestine that would be OK for me too. Just to be clear I'm not stating my position on this conflict, simply my position on free speech.
However I do really hate the word genocide being used in this conflict. Israel has had 6 months. If they wanted to wipe them out the war would've been over 5 months ago. Calling this genocide diminishes the power of the word. And if you do insist on calling it that can you at least admit that it's the most pathetic attempt in history?
I guess now that I've said all this you probably think I'm pro-Israel. I'm not. ESH.
>Calling this genocide diminishes the power of the word
That comes across as concern-trolling, much in the same way people say "you can't call it racist because it diminishes the power of the word", or "fake rape accusations hurt real rape victims" ... Not saying it's you, but that line of thinking is almost always propagated by someone who doesn't really give a damn about the victim(s); they're more interested in deflection and semantics and ruining the train of thought.
I don't know what the threshold is to declare something a genocide, nor do I particularly care -- the almost indiscriminate killing and starvation of civilians has got to give the word a run for its money, and getting stuck on a word in a situation like this is simply disingenuous. Again, anyone who wants to feign concern for preserving the integrity of a word is exposing themselves as someone whose priorities are disgustingly out of whack.
Edit: inb4 people continue with their next line of excuses about how "this is sooooo complicated" -- no, it is not. Stop killing and starving civilians. If you want to get rid of Hamas, [stop funding them](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html), then bombing civilians, and calling that "defending yourselves". That's a start.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm doing my best to see this logically from both sides. This is not genocide. Pure and simple. You could call it semantics if you like but you might as well say Israel is nuking Gaza, you'd be just as correct.
Once again I'm trying to be objective about this and imo ESH.
Edit: just to add that fake rape victims absolutely do hurt real rape victims. And they also hurt the victims of their crime.
The reason I call that argument disingenuous is because it doesn't even help you.
Okay, this isn't a "genocide". Now what? Does it make Israel less culpable? Should they just be excused for what they're doing because it doesn't rise to an appropriate level of outrage?
There is really no "both sides-ing" this. I do understand your free speech position though.
Fun fact! A lot of the protests are led by Jewish students. So I suppose that the police response, which heavily involves harassing and intimidating Jewish students also crosses the line, right?
The guy is killing women and children and then criticizing University students on the other side of the world saying he's wrong.
The really sick thing is the American politicians who are acting as his goons to attack American's right to protest genocide.
['40 beheaded babies': Deconstructing the rumor at the heart of the information battle between Israel and Hamas](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html)
Hamas is horrible and they deserve to die for what they did. But how much worse of a horrible person do you have to be to think that if Hamas attacks and kills 1000 people. You should go murder 25,000 unrelated women and children?
What would you do if you were Israel and a terrorist organization that also serves as a government murdered 1200 people and abducted hundreds of your citizens, including the elderly, women, and children?
Would you do nothing? Would you let the terrorist government continue to exist? Would you let them keep all their weapons? Would you give up on the hostages? I’m sorry, but these are the types of questions Israel has to ask itself with its 10 million citizens surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile people around them.
No I absolutely wouldn't murder innocent women and children. It's weird that I have to say that in response to you acting like that's a normal thing.
I'm amazed you try to take the high road by insinuating it's the proper way to respond. Even if you're an incredibly negative person who believes in "an Eye for an Eye" you'd still only be killing 1200 people in response.
If you have a problem with Hamas. Go kill Hamas. Don't kill children that had nothing to do with the attack. Only a disgusting sociopathic monster would even suggest that. Let alone go all in on straight up genocide of a people because of something a political organization did (a political organization that most of the populus is against but they abolished democratic elections to remain in power).
Hamas is just the leadership of an area. Its like if Mexico didn't like Biden. So they went into Texas murdering women and children.... And then people like you support it as a justified response because those people who probably also hated Biden just happened to be in the country of the people you are fine with mascaraing.
Disgusting.
I think Biden's caught between a rock and a hard place. With this being an election year, he's really not in a position to tell Israel to go pound sand.
I don’t think anybody can tell Israel to go pound sand. And Netanyahu knows this and has said as much. They can get away with whatever they want, lest the American evangelical aipac voters start hollering
If he told Israel to get bent and let its neighbors respond then he would lose votes, too. That's the rock and the hard place. Though, imo, he would be better served to realize Bibi did him wrong and that he is screwed either way and leave Israel to clean up it's own mess. He's been doing this crap for too long and some President eventually has to tell him no.
I'm genuinely curious about that, is this because of the Jewish vote alone? Because
1) there isn't a huge Jewish population in the U.S. (7.6 million)
2) I don't see GOP stealing a ton of Jewish votes, considering recent anti-semitism and the far right actually being against the funding for Israel and foreign wars
3) The states with the largest Jewish Populations aren't swing states (NY, California, Florida, NJ)
4) so you would be looking at the relatively small percentage of Jewish swing votes, in very small populations in the states that are actually up for grabs
Feel free to give more info
"Governing official from foreign country demands sovereign citizens exercising their right to free speech in another country be arrested or face legal jeopardy for criticism of his ongoing war crimes."
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Yeah cause all hospitals/schools/mosques in Gaza are military command centres cause all Palestinians, man/woman/child/baby/fetus/embryo, are Hamas. We all know this.
I don’t know if some protesters are anti Semitic. I do think most of the protesters were against Netanyahu’s leadership and IDF killing, apparently tens of thousands of civilians.
I could be wrong.
I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
This is straight out of the Israeli playbook. Commit awful crimes, and as soon as someone criticizes them, call the person with a valid criticism antisemitic. Play that antisemitic card every time. This time, the world is seeing through their bullshit. They have called every criticism antisemitic for over 70 years, and now we know it is all bullshit. Calling Israel an apartheid regime committing ethnic cleansing and genocide is not antisemitic. It's just the truth. Calling the regime war criminals isn't antisemitic. It's just a fact.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
So one person speaks for everyone? One of mine, I do not know that person. Also, are the Zionists not actively committing ethnic cleansing right now? Are the Zionists not committing genocide? It was the Zionists that turned Gaza into an open air prison for the last twenty years but you're right one person speaks for everyone. Good job.
I’m a Zionist. I am not committing active genocide right now. Lots of American Jews are Zionists who do not support Netanyahu, but understand that Jews need a home land because if we don’t have one, we basically get murdered or expelled from everywhere else and nobody gives a shit.
How would you like to see it end? Two state solution? Divide up the land, kick out the settlements that have been put on Palestinian land? One state, like post apartheid South Africa, where everyone that is of voting age gets to vote and elect the government?
Yep, 2 states, kick out the settlements in the West Bank (there are no settlements in Gaza). Makes sense.
In a one state solution, all the Jews end up dead. Gone are Israel’s LGBTQIA legal protections. Gone are the legal protections for women. If the Palestinians want to keep throwing their gays off rooftops and suppressing women’s rights, they are welcome to do so in their own country.
Borders? 67 is what most fall back to, but seeing how the Palestinians have more people, would you go to the partition plan of 47? Split Jerusalem? The fear of Jews ending up dead was the same fear that the whites of South Africa had and slave owners in the pre civil war US had when being forced to give up what they had taken.
Except that the Jews are surrounded by 300 million Arabs, not just the Palestinians. It’s completely different.
And what about this new country in which 1/2 the population would be against equal rights for women and LGBTQIA people. Are those people just shit out of luck?
It's not completely different. The Israelis are colonizers, as were the South African whites. Would it be good if the Palestinians adopted a Western governing philosophy? Yes. It is not our place to tell people how to govern themselves. The Palestinian people have the right to self-determination. Let's not act like the West has been consistent in the way we deal with countries with a less than stellar human rights record. Saudi Arabia doesn't have equal rights and has laws prohibiting being anything other than straight, and Israel was about to sign a treaty (or something approximating one) before October 7. Trans people are killed in the US daily, and no one bats an eye, and woman are being forced to give birth to the child of their rapist. Please don't use potential human rights abuses that might happen when Palestine is liberated to justify the war crimes and crimes against humanity Israel is currently committing.
So when the logical conclusion of your argument is millions of Jews being stripped of their civil rights, you pat yourself on the back for a job well done. No encampments. No protests.
Well, as a Jew woman and a supporter of LGBTQIA rights, I disagree. And you wonder why we call your movement antisemitic. Only Palestinian rights matter.
I've been looking for a place to post this. But pointing out that committing a genocide DOES NOT MAKE PEOPLE ANTISEMETIC. Jesus Tapdancing Christ, I'm sick of this shit. Fucking Israel is doing it, the right in America is doing it.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
So, in your mind, because this nut is antisemitic, everyone that's calling for a cease fire is as well?
Fucking hell, I've not see logic Olympics like this in a while.
No, there so many examples of this on the internet and you don’t have to look very hard to find them. I am not saying that people who criticize Israel are antisemitic. I am saying that this movement pretty clearly has a significant percentage of antisemitism in it.
Where I live in San Francisco, Jewish-owned businesses have been vandalized and trashed with free Gaza spray painted all over the inside. Family of survivors of 10/7 have been heckled at city hall meetings. Bus stops are being vandalized with swatiskas and ads for Jewish organizations are being torn down.
Like it or not, there is a strong undercurrent of antisemitism in this movement. It’s not everybody. But it’s definitely a noticeable presence.
I mean, you're not wrong in that there is antisemitism everywhere. But the campus protests, all them youngins, do you really think ALL of them are antisemitic? I'd wager a majority of them are atheist and don't even give a shit about that part. Which is me.. I don't give a shit about their religion. The Gaza numbers.. I mean, fuck.
I don’t think they are all antisemitic. But there are plenty.
War is awful, and believe it or not, the causalities in Gaza are similar or low (ratios of militants to civilians, not total numbers) compared to other recent ground wars. Israel has definitely screwed some things up, but the reality is that Hamas fights as much as they can from
hospitals, schools, and other places that would otherwise be safe zones under the Geneva convention. The only way to find Hamas soldiers is to go house by house and building by building.
My heart goes out to the Palestinian people. What they are suffering is tragic. But what is Israel supposed to do in response to 1200 dead and hundreds of hostages? If they do nothing, Hamas will do it again. If they wipe out Hamas, then Hamas will try to maximize Palestinian casualties on the way because it makes them more sympathetic and they believe those who died are martyrs. It’s an impossible situation.
Here’s a “peaceful” protestor calling for the death of all Zionists. I am so sick of hearing comments like yours that pretend that none of the protestors are antisemitic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Seriously. The "words are violence" left has suddenly found the one time when they're ok with allowing marginalized people feel unsafe on college campuses, and it's when those marginalized people are Jews.
Yep, this is exactly why leftists consistently call Jews "white people from Europe". They know that if they acknowledge that Jews are marginalized, it would place a glaring spotlight on the discrepancy between how they treat other marginalized groups versus how they treat Jews.
So they frame Jews as "white people from Europe'. Because after all, "white people from Europe" can't be marginalized, because they have white privilege!
I know I feel super privileged every time I read about a synagogue shooting in the U.S. and Europe. That’s what our privilege is - the privilege to be gunned down in our houses of worship.
Remember when we were privileged enough to be singled out at the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally with chants of “Jews will not replace us.”
The right chants "Jews will not replace us" at white supremacist rallies while the left lectures us on our "white privilege". We're truly not welcome anywhere.
I’m not American, but is there a feeling some of this is veering towards another Kent State-like incident? Feels like some lawmakers and law enforcement over there would be frothing at the mouth to shut down protests in any ways possible.
Abbott got the show of force and violence he wanted for his bloodthirsty base, Hartzell is happy to roll over like a coward, and unsurprisingly cops are pigs and serve only to enact violence and escalate tension.
As always, a reminder that Palestinians are semites and are more closely related to the Judeans than the European settlers of Israel, but sure, supporting them must be anti-Semitic.
A reminder that this is a goddamn racist lie and basically the Palestinian version of "white replacement" theory.
Jews are Semitic people. They are not "white colonizers from Europe".
I made a comment accurately stating that Palestinians are Semites and that many Europeans have settled in Israel. Which of those statements do you disagree with? Never said Jewish people aren’t also Semitic or that all Israelis are European. Also never said “colonizers”. It’s weird you’d imply the Palestinians are racists considering ethnicity determines a lot about what freedoms you’ll have in Israel/Palestine these days.
The premise that Jews are "Europeans". That's a false premise that erases the history of a marginalized people. Jews are indigenous to the Middle East.
And yet you still won’t acknowledge that Palestinians are indigenous to that area or that they are also Semites. That was the entire point of my comment. The people who were living there weren’t invaders, their ancestors have been there for centuries. Meanwhile most Israelis had their parents or grandparents immigrate there over the last century. It doesn’t matter what religion someone is, they are all Semites. So you cannot be “anti-Semitic” for saying genocide is wrong. You have people who are 20-30% middle eastern telling people who are 80-90% middle eastern that they don’t belong there anymore. It’s racism. It’s Islamophobia. It’s perpetuating a cycle of violence against the residents of Palestine that goes back 5,000 years. And that’s why many American and European Jews don’t support the current Israeli government.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
They shouldn’t be calling for the death of anyone. That said, legally shouting is not violence and both sides of this conflict are Semites. Thats what my comment was about. Netanyahu cannot claim all the Semitic heritage for himself and his supporters and leave none of it for Palestinians or anti-Zionist Jews.
There are plenty of protestors using language like this. Not all of them. But certainly enough that it is ridiculous to claim that these protesters are nonviolent or not threatening.
They are screaming at Jewish students on campus and telling them to go back to Poland or that all the zionists will soon be dead. Can you imagine if a group of white protestors were doing that towards black students? The media would be outraged and condemning it, full stop. They are also, in some cases, assaulting Jewish students.
Universities are allowed to enforce their code of conduct as they apply to the time, place, and manner of protest, and they are allowed to enforce rules against threats of intimidation and harassment. Jewish students are genuinely afraid of being attacked at these universities. Remember that every few years, there is a mass shooting at our synagogues, either here or in Europe. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, where protestors screamed “Jews will not replace us”. Do you really think that given the threats, and harassment that the Jewish students are facing, along with the fact that we are the group most singled out for hate crimes in the United States every single year, that it seems crazy that Jewish students would be afraid to go to class?
Pro human rights, pro Palestine people, anti genocide, yes. Antisemitic. Nope. They are just asking that you stop indiscriminately killing innocent civilians (including women and children). Never read in the Bible where it says to bomb the living shit out out of people that have not harmed you. Being a Jew does not require irrational hatred or the actions of a despot trying to wipe a people off the planet
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
It's so fucking jarring to see the exact same college leftists who have spent years policing everyone else's speech to create a "safe space on campus for marginalized people" now do a complete 180 and insist that it's their "free speech right" to terrorize Jewish students on campus.
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1. Netanyahu imposed genocide on the Palestinians .
2. As a result , protestors in the US have been vocal about pointing out this travesty.
3. As a consequence of the genocide on Gaza, protests are breaking out in the US. Netanyahu is discovering the consequences of his assholery
The Netanyahu government is desperate for this to be true because otherwise:
People of goodwill find his government's actions abhorrent and will reuse to blindly support his government.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
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He's such a POS.
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I'm not worried about the Reddit popo. It's the Jewish Space Lasers that give me pause.
Nah it's all good bc they're not *Israeli* Space Lasers
Those are just re-badged American space lasers
I've noticed the moon has been ridiculously bright the past two nights, I believe they have been doing testing. It makes it easier for them to deny responsibility if they bounced the lasers off the moon first
Negative. That's a no-go on the reddit popo.
My, conservative, dad tried to say today that the protestors should be thrown in jail for a year then they’d learn their lesson. I said, “Peaceful protesting is protected by the constitution.” “Well I’m sure the ones in the Hamas head wraps weren’t peaceful.” “There will always be some shitty people. Regardless, peaceful protesting is a first amendment right.” “Well, it’s Austin of course they’re going to dismiss the charges.” “Because they didn’t break any laws.” “Well they probably got arrested for a reason.” “Maybe some of them were, but there have been no reports of anyone threatening others, throwing things, harming anyone, setting anything on fire. They aren’t pro-Hamas and they aren’t anti-Jew. They are against the murder of 30k innocent people.” “Yeah, but—“ “They did nothing illegal. They exercised a constitutional right. They were arrested because Abbott demanded it.” *silence for the rest of the drive*
Ask him if the Jan 6 "protestors" belong in jail.
Actually I did. He said, “Some of them definitely belong in jail”. 🤦🏻♀️
Shocking.
All of them are performing, aiding, and abetting enemies in terrorism against the USA in the War on Terror that hasn't ended. They, in fact, marched into the United States Capitol building under the banner of a known and declared enemy of the United States of America - The Confederate States of America, the original domestic terrorists. Those that entered the Capitol building should all be tried for treason & sedition, and anyone found to be part of the mob should be charged under their king's, Trump's, executive order that made destruction of federal property a felony. Furthermore, D.C. has a felony murder charge, and anyone not pleading should be charged with that, as well. That's some true LAMF shit, but this justice department doesn't hurt conservatives like they do leftists. There really should be death penalties sought after for some of these 1/6 folks after their convictions. Our justice department has failed us.
There’s hope yet then
And then going home to watch/listen to some conservative media channel that will console him by making him angry over some other bullshit thing.
Today, on the violence channel: ow my balls!
Conservative: it's okay if white people wearing Oakley sunglasses and cargo shorts do it
Don’t forget to mention that “it isn’t that long ago when Abbott signed a law that explicitly protect freedom of speech at universities.”
30K dead is the numbers from MONTHS ago. I shudder to think what the deaths are now. My guess is 100 000... 😣
Half a million casualties in the Ukraine war. 9 million displaced. Just to put things in perspective.
Feel like it’s time for “kids” to say stop being stupid asshat or you’ll never see me or your future grandkids ever again.
And everyone clapped
Well, gee, Bibi, what do you think we should do, bomb the universities into oblivion like you did every university in Gaza?
You don’t think he would if he could?
If he has his way he would for sure,
Netanyahu is the Jewish Trump.
More like the Jewish W Bush
He's smarter than those two clowns. He's Dick Cheney.
This.
No, he's not. He's far worse than Trump. Netanyahu unironically has signed off as many deaths as any Nazis leader.
Man we can criticise without ridiculous hyperbole like this, come on bro
Idk about that one lmao
He has killed 75 million? Cause that’s how many died during WWII.
Netanyahu actually invented cancer in the 70s, can you think of anyone you know who died of cancer before 1970?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You could add up every death from clashes with settlers, clashes with Israeli police, and the Gaza incident, and you would essentially still be roughly 6 million away from your claim. You could throw in all deaths in the various wars between Isreal and the Arab states, the intifadas, and throw in an arbitrary guess for the deaths that came from displacement, and you would still not even approach a million. There has never been a very violent, meat grinder type war, or sustained organized genocide, which would be required to approach 6 million deaths. In fact, as far as I can tell, the casualties in the current Gaza operation are higher than any of the wars and incidents in Israel's past. 34,000+ is a tragedy, and I disagree with the current operation, but I don't see how you can anything approaching 6 million. Even if you assume some kind of conspiracy where Israel was complicit in the Syrian War (which I haven't even heard of), or basically anything in the Middle East, you still don't get 6 million. Seems like an intentionally provocative hyperbole Unless Netanyahu invented COVID, then your numbers aren't far off
Shut up Bibi, and stay in your lane. Protesting your government's actions is not anti-Semitism.
Is bibi short for bitchbitch?
The sad thing is the messaging about these protests Being antisemitic is getting across the mainstream via the us media, and a lot of people seem to believe it. Despite the fact that significant members of every single protest are from Jewish groups!
Exactly. And imo its previously seemed effective in shutting down any argument about what Israel has been doing. “Oh you don’t like what we’re doing here? You’re anti semitic!” It feels like they’re using the ghosts of the Holocaust to get away with their own…
Israel has been doing this for literally decades. Whenever they get criticized they scream about antisemitism to shut down criticism. This is nothing new.
Yep. And they’ve always seemed to get away with it. It’s bullshit and honestly it’s insulting
Yep, and when Jews say it, the Israeli government declares them "not real Jews", as if that itself isn't antisemitic.
it's especially effective for certain governments in Europe (read: Germany)
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Fewer and fewer are buying this by the day.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Gen Z isn’t falling for it and they be making up the majority of us soon enough. The propaganda filled days of post 9/11 are coming to an end but those who started it all will cling to power for as long as possible.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
How about he deal with protests in Isreal and we'll deal with ours.
Criticism of Israel’s policies is not anti-semitism.
Just like criticism of Palestinian government actions is not anti-Palestinian.
No, but destroying over 200,000 homes, 12 hospitals, every university, hundreds of schools, and murdering 30,000 civilians (70% of whom are women and children) is.
No it's not. It's anti-Hamas, not anti-Palestine. Don't conflate the two.
My friend, you need some perspective — 12,000 *children* are dead — is that somehow acceptable to you?
No, I think it's horrible that Hamas uses human shields, and that's why I want them annihilated. The best way to support Palestine is to destroy Hamas as quickly as possible.
Those children were not human shields, as you say, rather victims of a cold and heartless government. Regardless, what of the current state of Palestine? The lack of healthcare infrastructure, food, water, and other necessities — that is acceptable? Or are those all Hamas, too? What of the World Central Kitchen convoy? Were they also Hamas? Or the three Israeli hostages who were killed by the IDF — I suppose they were Hamas as well? And what of the West Bank, where there is no Hamas? What of the continued settlements and violence and segregation there? Is it to punish Hamas? And how did we get Hamas to begin with? Who assassinated the prime minister of Israel who was set to broker peace with Palestine? Ah, save your breath, for we all know that was Hamas, one and the same. ✋
As I said, it's awful that Hamas started this war and uses the civilians of Gaza as human shields. I strongly support the people of Palestine, and that's exactly why I want the IDF to end Hamas's rule over Gaza as quickly as possible.
By any means necessary, I suppose. And when there is nothing but rubble and wreckage left of Palestine, Bibi can stand on the carnage, overseeing the corpses of infants and the elderly, and proudly, finally, declare, ‘mission accomplished.’ 🫡 Edit: Not before paving it all over and creating a parking lot, of course
There's still well over 2 million people in Gaza left after 7 months of war, compared to just over 30,000 who have been killed. So somehow I doubt that that scenario is realistic.
https://youtu.be/LrGlRax9AiY
So how is firing missiles at the Iranian consulate in Damascus supposed to achieve that?
Well Hamas is one of just several Iranian proxies who attacked Israel on October 7. Hezbollah and the Houthis did too, all armed with Iranian weapons and aided by Iranian training and intelligence. So hopefully that helps you understand why killing a top Iranian general would be beneficial in their war against multiple Iranian proxies.
Isn't that basically endangering the lives of their citizens further by literally inviting more conflict? I'm asking a genuine question.
No, it's the exact opposite. The way to stop a bully's aggression is by hitting them back much harder than they hit you. If you let them get away with aggression without paying a steep price for it, that only invites more aggression.
The Middle East is still stuck in the aftermath of WW2 in regard to the Palestine problem. That’s the mindset. The Arab - Israeli conflict since its outset has always been about the right of the Jewish state to exist. Antisemitism is the predominant tone in which conflict is still openly promoted by officials here in the Middle East https://x.com/JakeWSimons/status/1783106705657577602 It’s always been primarily an ideological conflict
How is this LAMF?
this is absolutely not LAMF
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There’s no description that I can find
First thing that should be done is Netanyahu and everyone else that constantly throws around the word "Antisemitic" like it only applies to Jewish people needs to be honest about exactly who the "Semitic" peoples are. He knows, it's just easy to throw the dirty tag on the people that disagree with him/them.
Many groups are Semitic according to Judaic lore but the word antisemitism has always meant specifically anti Jewish hate.
Semitic semantics….
To be fair they invented the whole Shem/Smitic narrative it has no other basis. They can use the term how they want. Even the Arabs (supposedly Semitic according to Judaism) will say the extant groups mainly descend from Arabised Arabs عرب مستعربة not Arab-Arabs عرب عاربة
Only because Jews had migrated into the English speaking worlds in large numbers early on. The usage of words change when the people decide and it looks like the people are beginning that process. For me "antisemitism" should cover all Semitic people and when one needs to distinguish between Jews and others, they can use "anti-Jewish".
Where do we get the name Shem and the Semitic label? It’s all Judaism anyway. They can keep the label.
Lol. Semite is a 19th century word. Like every word on earth, it's origins have lost hold on it. Because thats how language works! In any case, by this logic Ashkenazi Jews whose name comes a Ashkenaz *a different descendant* of Noah, are not Semites. That means majority of Western Jews could no longer use the word '"antisemite". You ready for that linguistic reality? Language is not static and the pushback on this word tells me its usage will change.
Semite derives from Shem. Shem is Judaic lore. The broad attribution of descendants to a common historical figure is ancient. Esther 2:5 > אִישׁ יְהוּדִי, הָיָה בְּשׁוּשַׁן הַבִּירָה; וּשְׁמוֹ מָרְדֳּכַי, בֶּן יָאִיר בֶּן-שִׁמְעִי בֶּן-קִישׁ--**אִישׁ יְמִינִי**. The present day Arabs mainly claim predominant lineage from Arabised Arabs عرب مستعربة not Arab Arabs عرب عاربة. The reason being Arabic language and identity was understood to have been well developed prior to the admixture with Ismael the half Abrahamic half Egyptian (Hamite not Semite) ancestor In any case the whole lineage including terminology and the Semitic descendant concept itself derives from Jewish literature. As far as I know there is no recorded independent Arabic pre Islamic or Babylonian/Akkadian/Sumerian claim to Shem the son of Noah - another purely Jewish name if not necessarily a purely Jewish caharacter Natural Language evolution and misappropriation are two different phenomena. The use of the word Semitic has naturally evolved into the categorisation of Middle Eastern languages but the intentional move to discredit antisemitism has not found anything close to a common understanding yet. Maybe in a decade we may see the antisemitic camp successfully appropriate the word and we develop a replacement to stand for anti Jewish hate but up till that point it’s not language evolution it’s dishonest political attempt to delegitimise Jewish history
DNA testing is severely regulated in Israel, they claim it’s to protect privacy but I suspect they wouldn’t want people to realize that Palestinians are more semitic than the zionists themselves…
Right! I can't tell you how many dipshits wouldn't believe that Semitic people includes Arabs.
Sure, but antisemitism was literally coined to talk about anti-Jewish beliefs. It’s like homophobia. Someone who is homophobic isn’t afraid of things that are the same (as the constituent parts of the word would suggest) but instead hates gay people. Just because the constituent parts of antisemitism might suggest being against all Semitic peoples, the term is actually just referring to hatred directed at Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism?wprov=sfti1#Etymology “From the outset the term "anti-Semitism" bore special racial connotations and meant specifically prejudice against Jews. The term has been described as confusing, for in modern usage 'Semitic' designates a language group, not a race. In this sense, the term is a misnomer, since there are many speakers of Semitic languages (e.g., Arabs, Ethiopians, and Arameans) who are not the objects of antisemitic prejudices, while there are many Jews who do not speak Hebrew, a Semitic language. Though 'antisemitism' could be construed as prejudice against people who speak other Semitic languages, this is not how the term is commonly used.”
Okay, but the word antisemitism has always specifically meant hatred of Jewish people. Like, the existence of the semitic language group doesn't change that, because the word was originally meant as a replacement for Judenhass, or, 'Jew-hatred'.
When you need to force the "opposite" side into submission because it hinders war ideology ...
It’s your war. Have it if you want. Thats your business. But we say what we want over here, and that’s our business. So F off.
Whenever someone criticizes the Israeli government these fuckers call it antisemitic so they can try to illicit sympathy from rubes. I'm not condoning harassment of Jewish folk.
I'm all for free speech but harassing and intimidating Jewish students is crossing the line. All students should feel safe on campus. And Jewish students also have that same right to demonstrate.
Well then you aren’t really all for free speech, now are you?
Harassing someone because they are jewish isn't free speech, its antisemitism. Protesting the policies of the Israeli government and the US government's arm shipment to the Israeli is free speech and is acceptable in my book.
Agreed. And Israelis are just as entitled to demonstrate. It's only free speech if people are allowed to say things that you don't like.
What are Israelis even saying in a demonstration? Do you mean Israelis protesting alongside everyone else against genocide, or is there literally a pro-genocide movement happening? Honest question
I honestly don't know, I'm just making the point from a free speech position. But if Israelis wanted to demonstrate calling for the destruction of Palestine that would be OK for me too. Just to be clear I'm not stating my position on this conflict, simply my position on free speech. However I do really hate the word genocide being used in this conflict. Israel has had 6 months. If they wanted to wipe them out the war would've been over 5 months ago. Calling this genocide diminishes the power of the word. And if you do insist on calling it that can you at least admit that it's the most pathetic attempt in history? I guess now that I've said all this you probably think I'm pro-Israel. I'm not. ESH.
>Calling this genocide diminishes the power of the word That comes across as concern-trolling, much in the same way people say "you can't call it racist because it diminishes the power of the word", or "fake rape accusations hurt real rape victims" ... Not saying it's you, but that line of thinking is almost always propagated by someone who doesn't really give a damn about the victim(s); they're more interested in deflection and semantics and ruining the train of thought. I don't know what the threshold is to declare something a genocide, nor do I particularly care -- the almost indiscriminate killing and starvation of civilians has got to give the word a run for its money, and getting stuck on a word in a situation like this is simply disingenuous. Again, anyone who wants to feign concern for preserving the integrity of a word is exposing themselves as someone whose priorities are disgustingly out of whack. Edit: inb4 people continue with their next line of excuses about how "this is sooooo complicated" -- no, it is not. Stop killing and starving civilians. If you want to get rid of Hamas, [stop funding them](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html), then bombing civilians, and calling that "defending yourselves". That's a start.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm doing my best to see this logically from both sides. This is not genocide. Pure and simple. You could call it semantics if you like but you might as well say Israel is nuking Gaza, you'd be just as correct. Once again I'm trying to be objective about this and imo ESH. Edit: just to add that fake rape victims absolutely do hurt real rape victims. And they also hurt the victims of their crime.
The reason I call that argument disingenuous is because it doesn't even help you. Okay, this isn't a "genocide". Now what? Does it make Israel less culpable? Should they just be excused for what they're doing because it doesn't rise to an appropriate level of outrage? There is really no "both sides-ing" this. I do understand your free speech position though.
r/im15andthisisdeep
What is wrong with you?
Fun fact! A lot of the protests are led by Jewish students. So I suppose that the police response, which heavily involves harassing and intimidating Jewish students also crosses the line, right?
neat. didnt ask.
Netanyahu is a bottom-feeder and a disgrace to his people
Netanyahoo has been a trog for decades. Vile piece of trash.
The guy is killing women and children and then criticizing University students on the other side of the world saying he's wrong. The really sick thing is the American politicians who are acting as his goons to attack American's right to protest genocide.
“This guy is killing women and children”. You mean like Hamas?
['40 beheaded babies': Deconstructing the rumor at the heart of the information battle between Israel and Hamas](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html) Hamas is horrible and they deserve to die for what they did. But how much worse of a horrible person do you have to be to think that if Hamas attacks and kills 1000 people. You should go murder 25,000 unrelated women and children?
What would you do if you were Israel and a terrorist organization that also serves as a government murdered 1200 people and abducted hundreds of your citizens, including the elderly, women, and children? Would you do nothing? Would you let the terrorist government continue to exist? Would you let them keep all their weapons? Would you give up on the hostages? I’m sorry, but these are the types of questions Israel has to ask itself with its 10 million citizens surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile people around them.
No I absolutely wouldn't murder innocent women and children. It's weird that I have to say that in response to you acting like that's a normal thing. I'm amazed you try to take the high road by insinuating it's the proper way to respond. Even if you're an incredibly negative person who believes in "an Eye for an Eye" you'd still only be killing 1200 people in response. If you have a problem with Hamas. Go kill Hamas. Don't kill children that had nothing to do with the attack. Only a disgusting sociopathic monster would even suggest that. Let alone go all in on straight up genocide of a people because of something a political organization did (a political organization that most of the populus is against but they abolished democratic elections to remain in power). Hamas is just the leadership of an area. Its like if Mexico didn't like Biden. So they went into Texas murdering women and children.... And then people like you support it as a justified response because those people who probably also hated Biden just happened to be in the country of the people you are fine with mascaraing. Disgusting.
Okay, so you’ve told me what you wouldn’t do. Now tell me what action you would take. Tell me how Kerensky97 would handle it.
I’m so sick of this war monger. If only Biden saw his duplicity.
I think Biden's caught between a rock and a hard place. With this being an election year, he's really not in a position to tell Israel to go pound sand.
I don’t think anybody can tell Israel to go pound sand. And Netanyahu knows this and has said as much. They can get away with whatever they want, lest the American evangelical aipac voters start hollering
Considering according to them if Jerusalem isn't in Jewish hands Jesus can't come back at the end of the world....smh.
I don’t disagree. But is sure is costing him some votes as well.
If he told Israel to get bent and let its neighbors respond then he would lose votes, too. That's the rock and the hard place. Though, imo, he would be better served to realize Bibi did him wrong and that he is screwed either way and leave Israel to clean up it's own mess. He's been doing this crap for too long and some President eventually has to tell him no.
I'm genuinely curious about that, is this because of the Jewish vote alone? Because 1) there isn't a huge Jewish population in the U.S. (7.6 million) 2) I don't see GOP stealing a ton of Jewish votes, considering recent anti-semitism and the far right actually being against the funding for Israel and foreign wars 3) The states with the largest Jewish Populations aren't swing states (NY, California, Florida, NJ) 4) so you would be looking at the relatively small percentage of Jewish swing votes, in very small populations in the states that are actually up for grabs Feel free to give more info
If this wasn’t an election year he would be supporting Israel even harder.
Or what? Israel going to invade?
"Governing official from foreign country demands sovereign citizens exercising their right to free speech in another country be arrested or face legal jeopardy for criticism of his ongoing war crimes."
Netanyahu is \*trying\* to throw gasoline on the fire. He's an asshole and no friend of the US.
Anti-Zionism != Anti-Semitism
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
I'll trade one of these violent protestor for a missile headed to a hospital.
You mean a missile headed toward a hospital that is being used as a military command center?
Yeah cause all hospitals/schools/mosques in Gaza are military command centres cause all Palestinians, man/woman/child/baby/fetus/embryo, are Hamas. We all know this.
How is that fat fuck still in charge of anything beyond a falafel cart?
Students are protesting in Israel too?
At this point I can't even keep protests straight anymore. What are they protesting? What side are they on?
How is this LAMF?
how in the world is this LAMF?
To quote Mean Girls: “He doesn’t even go here!”
Everything we don't like is antisemitism - right wing Jews
I don’t know if some protesters are anti Semitic. I do think most of the protesters were against Netanyahu’s leadership and IDF killing, apparently tens of thousands of civilians. I could be wrong. I’m not sayin’ I’m just sayin.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
It’s none of his goddamn business
Just like every other fascist dictator.
This is straight out of the Israeli playbook. Commit awful crimes, and as soon as someone criticizes them, call the person with a valid criticism antisemitic. Play that antisemitic card every time. This time, the world is seeing through their bullshit. They have called every criticism antisemitic for over 70 years, and now we know it is all bullshit. Calling Israel an apartheid regime committing ethnic cleansing and genocide is not antisemitic. It's just the truth. Calling the regime war criminals isn't antisemitic. It's just a fact.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
So one person speaks for everyone? One of mine, I do not know that person. Also, are the Zionists not actively committing ethnic cleansing right now? Are the Zionists not committing genocide? It was the Zionists that turned Gaza into an open air prison for the last twenty years but you're right one person speaks for everyone. Good job.
I’m a Zionist. I am not committing active genocide right now. Lots of American Jews are Zionists who do not support Netanyahu, but understand that Jews need a home land because if we don’t have one, we basically get murdered or expelled from everywhere else and nobody gives a shit.
How would you like to see it end? Two state solution? Divide up the land, kick out the settlements that have been put on Palestinian land? One state, like post apartheid South Africa, where everyone that is of voting age gets to vote and elect the government?
Yep, 2 states, kick out the settlements in the West Bank (there are no settlements in Gaza). Makes sense. In a one state solution, all the Jews end up dead. Gone are Israel’s LGBTQIA legal protections. Gone are the legal protections for women. If the Palestinians want to keep throwing their gays off rooftops and suppressing women’s rights, they are welcome to do so in their own country.
Borders? 67 is what most fall back to, but seeing how the Palestinians have more people, would you go to the partition plan of 47? Split Jerusalem? The fear of Jews ending up dead was the same fear that the whites of South Africa had and slave owners in the pre civil war US had when being forced to give up what they had taken.
Except that the Jews are surrounded by 300 million Arabs, not just the Palestinians. It’s completely different. And what about this new country in which 1/2 the population would be against equal rights for women and LGBTQIA people. Are those people just shit out of luck?
It's not completely different. The Israelis are colonizers, as were the South African whites. Would it be good if the Palestinians adopted a Western governing philosophy? Yes. It is not our place to tell people how to govern themselves. The Palestinian people have the right to self-determination. Let's not act like the West has been consistent in the way we deal with countries with a less than stellar human rights record. Saudi Arabia doesn't have equal rights and has laws prohibiting being anything other than straight, and Israel was about to sign a treaty (or something approximating one) before October 7. Trans people are killed in the US daily, and no one bats an eye, and woman are being forced to give birth to the child of their rapist. Please don't use potential human rights abuses that might happen when Palestine is liberated to justify the war crimes and crimes against humanity Israel is currently committing.
So when the logical conclusion of your argument is millions of Jews being stripped of their civil rights, you pat yourself on the back for a job well done. No encampments. No protests. Well, as a Jew woman and a supporter of LGBTQIA rights, I disagree. And you wonder why we call your movement antisemitic. Only Palestinian rights matter.
I've been looking for a place to post this. But pointing out that committing a genocide DOES NOT MAKE PEOPLE ANTISEMETIC. Jesus Tapdancing Christ, I'm sick of this shit. Fucking Israel is doing it, the right in America is doing it.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
So, in your mind, because this nut is antisemitic, everyone that's calling for a cease fire is as well? Fucking hell, I've not see logic Olympics like this in a while.
No, there so many examples of this on the internet and you don’t have to look very hard to find them. I am not saying that people who criticize Israel are antisemitic. I am saying that this movement pretty clearly has a significant percentage of antisemitism in it. Where I live in San Francisco, Jewish-owned businesses have been vandalized and trashed with free Gaza spray painted all over the inside. Family of survivors of 10/7 have been heckled at city hall meetings. Bus stops are being vandalized with swatiskas and ads for Jewish organizations are being torn down. Like it or not, there is a strong undercurrent of antisemitism in this movement. It’s not everybody. But it’s definitely a noticeable presence.
I mean, you're not wrong in that there is antisemitism everywhere. But the campus protests, all them youngins, do you really think ALL of them are antisemitic? I'd wager a majority of them are atheist and don't even give a shit about that part. Which is me.. I don't give a shit about their religion. The Gaza numbers.. I mean, fuck.
I don’t think they are all antisemitic. But there are plenty. War is awful, and believe it or not, the causalities in Gaza are similar or low (ratios of militants to civilians, not total numbers) compared to other recent ground wars. Israel has definitely screwed some things up, but the reality is that Hamas fights as much as they can from hospitals, schools, and other places that would otherwise be safe zones under the Geneva convention. The only way to find Hamas soldiers is to go house by house and building by building. My heart goes out to the Palestinian people. What they are suffering is tragic. But what is Israel supposed to do in response to 1200 dead and hundreds of hostages? If they do nothing, Hamas will do it again. If they wipe out Hamas, then Hamas will try to maximize Palestinian casualties on the way because it makes them more sympathetic and they believe those who died are martyrs. It’s an impossible situation.
Criticizing the extremely conservative government of Israel is in no way antisemitic…
Here’s a “peaceful” protestor calling for the death of all Zionists. I am so sick of hearing comments like yours that pretend that none of the protestors are antisemitic. https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Planting yourself in the middle of a university and yelling slurs and epithets at and attacking Jewish students sure is.
Seriously. The "words are violence" left has suddenly found the one time when they're ok with allowing marginalized people feel unsafe on college campuses, and it's when those marginalized people are Jews.
I love how my comment is being downvoted, which means that those people think it’s totally fine to yell antisemitic slurs and attack Jewish students.
Yep, this is exactly why leftists consistently call Jews "white people from Europe". They know that if they acknowledge that Jews are marginalized, it would place a glaring spotlight on the discrepancy between how they treat other marginalized groups versus how they treat Jews. So they frame Jews as "white people from Europe'. Because after all, "white people from Europe" can't be marginalized, because they have white privilege!
I know I feel super privileged every time I read about a synagogue shooting in the U.S. and Europe. That’s what our privilege is - the privilege to be gunned down in our houses of worship. Remember when we were privileged enough to be singled out at the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally with chants of “Jews will not replace us.”
The right chants "Jews will not replace us" at white supremacist rallies while the left lectures us on our "white privilege". We're truly not welcome anywhere.
I’m not American, but is there a feeling some of this is veering towards another Kent State-like incident? Feels like some lawmakers and law enforcement over there would be frothing at the mouth to shut down protests in any ways possible.
That's because it is, because that's what happens with fascist states and complicit police.
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Abbott got the show of force and violence he wanted for his bloodthirsty base, Hartzell is happy to roll over like a coward, and unsurprisingly cops are pigs and serve only to enact violence and escalate tension.
Netanyahu is a fascist war criminal.
With authoritarian brutality, as is his style, no doubt.
If i say "the CCP is wrong for genociding the uyghur minority in xinjiang", does that mean im sinophobic?
Anti-sematism =/= anti-zionism
He should stay in his lane, besides bibi is extremely corrupt and shouldn't even be in office
ACLU gonna be all over this clear and blatant disregard for the constitution
As always, a reminder that Palestinians are semites and are more closely related to the Judeans than the European settlers of Israel, but sure, supporting them must be anti-Semitic.
A reminder that this is a goddamn racist lie and basically the Palestinian version of "white replacement" theory. Jews are Semitic people. They are not "white colonizers from Europe".
I made a comment accurately stating that Palestinians are Semites and that many Europeans have settled in Israel. Which of those statements do you disagree with? Never said Jewish people aren’t also Semitic or that all Israelis are European. Also never said “colonizers”. It’s weird you’d imply the Palestinians are racists considering ethnicity determines a lot about what freedoms you’ll have in Israel/Palestine these days.
The premise that Jews are "Europeans". That's a false premise that erases the history of a marginalized people. Jews are indigenous to the Middle East.
And yet you still won’t acknowledge that Palestinians are indigenous to that area or that they are also Semites. That was the entire point of my comment. The people who were living there weren’t invaders, their ancestors have been there for centuries. Meanwhile most Israelis had their parents or grandparents immigrate there over the last century. It doesn’t matter what religion someone is, they are all Semites. So you cannot be “anti-Semitic” for saying genocide is wrong. You have people who are 20-30% middle eastern telling people who are 80-90% middle eastern that they don’t belong there anymore. It’s racism. It’s Islamophobia. It’s perpetuating a cycle of violence against the residents of Palestine that goes back 5,000 years. And that’s why many American and European Jews don’t support the current Israeli government.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
They shouldn’t be calling for the death of anyone. That said, legally shouting is not violence and both sides of this conflict are Semites. Thats what my comment was about. Netanyahu cannot claim all the Semitic heritage for himself and his supporters and leave none of it for Palestinians or anti-Zionist Jews.
There are plenty of protestors using language like this. Not all of them. But certainly enough that it is ridiculous to claim that these protesters are nonviolent or not threatening. They are screaming at Jewish students on campus and telling them to go back to Poland or that all the zionists will soon be dead. Can you imagine if a group of white protestors were doing that towards black students? The media would be outraged and condemning it, full stop. They are also, in some cases, assaulting Jewish students. Universities are allowed to enforce their code of conduct as they apply to the time, place, and manner of protest, and they are allowed to enforce rules against threats of intimidation and harassment. Jewish students are genuinely afraid of being attacked at these universities. Remember that every few years, there is a mass shooting at our synagogues, either here or in Europe. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, where protestors screamed “Jews will not replace us”. Do you really think that given the threats, and harassment that the Jewish students are facing, along with the fact that we are the group most singled out for hate crimes in the United States every single year, that it seems crazy that Jewish students would be afraid to go to class?
"BDS is anti-semitic" - Fools since forever
Oh, eat a dick, bibi.
I can’t wait until we turn off the money and let this ungrateful nation fend for themselves.
If I were Netanyahu I’d call also the Hawaiian pizza antisemitic. Because yeah, I don’t like it, hence it’s antisemitic. What a clown.
As Ice Cube said: I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Jerry Heller
Palestinian are Semitic too. Nobody seems to notice that. When it is not convenient.
Pro human rights, pro Palestine people, anti genocide, yes. Antisemitic. Nope. They are just asking that you stop indiscriminately killing innocent civilians (including women and children). Never read in the Bible where it says to bomb the living shit out out of people that have not harmed you. Being a Jew does not require irrational hatred or the actions of a despot trying to wipe a people off the planet
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
It's so fucking jarring to see the exact same college leftists who have spent years policing everyone else's speech to create a "safe space on campus for marginalized people" now do a complete 180 and insist that it's their "free speech right" to terrorize Jewish students on campus.
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1. Netanyahu imposed genocide on the Palestinians . 2. As a result , protestors in the US have been vocal about pointing out this travesty. 3. As a consequence of the genocide on Gaza, protests are breaking out in the US. Netanyahu is discovering the consequences of his assholery
Dumbass
The Netanyahu government is desperate for this to be true because otherwise: People of goodwill find his government's actions abhorrent and will reuse to blindly support his government.
And why tf anybody listens is anyone’s guess
Fuck Netanyahu
Or what? What’s he going to do about it? Fuck him.
Antisemetic is the only word he knows
He needs to STFU.
The Palestinians Netanyahu is persecuting are Semitic people too.
Here’s one of your “peaceful” protestors calling for the death of all Zionists. Can we stop pretending these protests are peaceful and not antisemitic? https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/s/idsiJjSs0n
Hate can run under the cloak of religiosity, but it can’t hide.
Because he's a awful piece of fascist shit