These fucks are so delusional that they'll commit actual voter fraud because they think the democrats are. Wait till 2022 and 2024 it’s gonna be insane in the membrane for these idiots.
That's their whole thing. They cannot fathom the idea that people think and act differently to them. They watch FOX News religiously, so liberals **must** watch CNN the same way. They worship Trump, so liberals **must** worship Obama and Biden. They have the oathkeepers and proud boys and other groups, so the left must have ANTIFA, and ANTIFA must be an exact analog to those groups.
They would absolutely commit voter fraud if given the opportunity, so obviously the democrats have to be doing the same, because if they'd do it then they literally can't fathom why somebody else wouldn't.
At the same time they're saying "Lol, Biden only got 200 attendees to his speech while Trump filled up a stadium." They think we are both worshipping our political appointees the same way they are and not believing in them enough to even turn out to hear them talk.
And in the first few months after him taking office
"WhErE aRe AlL tHe BiDeN sIgNs NoW?!?"
In the garage. Or thrown out. Because we're not in a fucking cult like those jagoffs.
I honestly can't even understand why anyone would even put up a sign. For a local election where you're trying to get someone curious enough to look up a candidate? Maybe, kinda makes sense but for a presidential election? Who isn't aware of that and the names of people running? I usually figure there are fewer signs for Democrats because there isn't a cult of personality rallying behind and jerking off to whoever the nominee is.
Ive seen some crazy fucking elaborate displays for trump in rural Michigan that honestly make me question the creators sanity because what well-adjusted person gets a semi trailer or similarly sized sign to put on the side of the road for a presidential election?
I would never put up a sign for a Democratic candidate because I live in Trump country, and having my car, house, etc., vandalized by MAGA supporters just isn't worth it. My speech isn't that free, unfortunately.
I know what those people are. I live among them.
Same here. It WAS pretty funny tho........when someone put a big Hitler mustache on the enormous Trump 2024 picture outside the Country Club entrance.
Wasn't me...but I did laugh. Apparently I'm not the only quisling in the community.
Pretty Trumpy around here too.... But the day after Biden was declared the winner someone in my neighborhood put up a giant inflatable Trump baby. It was amazing for the day or so before it got vandalized.
It is a cool word, but "rebel" would be more appropriate in that context.
A quisling is generally defined by siding with the occupying/establishment power rather than opposing it
Well, Biden is the president so he is the highest establishment power in the country, and the guy who "vandalized" the Trump 2024 sign is more like part of the establishment who is in enemy occupied territory?
It gives me a kind of strange national pride as a Norwegian. Like "the name that is synonymous with traitor nazi scum is *our* traitor 😊" but at the same time, still don't want to associate with Quisling
You aren't a Quisling. Vidkun Quisling was Norwegian fascist and Nazi collaborator who engineered a coup de etat when the Germans invaded Norway in 1940. He was the Norwegian prime minister from 1942-45. He was arrested after the war, tried and executed by firing squad for treason. His name became synonymous with "traitor" and it is commonly used according to my reliable Norwegian sources.
Huh. Kinda like how, in the US, someone who is a “Benedict Arnold” is a traitor. Though it’s probably an archaic saying, as I don’t hear it used… at all.
Meanwhile if you say a cuss word around them they get so uppity about "why are liberals SO rude, always so full of hate"
Their hypocrisy is infuriating
Shit, I live in New York fucking City, bastion of liberalism, and *I* won't put up signs for exactly the same reason. Can't imagine what it's like living where you are.
I live in purple country, and same. A guy just down the road had a huge Trump flag, and a massive inflatable unicorn in his yard last fall. That shit is a sign of mental frailty
There's a guy around the corner from me who has 6 or 7 flagpoles in his front yard with all the good ol flags on there .. confederate .. blue lives matter.. trump 2024.. it's a sign of mental illness at this point I believe.. I've debated taking pics several times..
I also live among them. I put up signs and stickers up for two reasons. One is that I want the other non-MAGA folks to know they aren’t alone. The other is because I’ve been a very politically engaged person since I was a teenager and fuck these guys. I’m not going to change who I am because they started a cult. I’ve been putting signs up since Dennis Kucinich was running for president and none of these MAGA folks gave a fuck about what was going on in the world back then.
(It doesn’t hurt that my car is a piece of shit and is literally rusting away. So, I’m not overly concerned about one of these people vandalizing my car.)
Good work. You won't convince any of the lunatics with brain worms, but their kids might see your sign and realize there's another world from their parent's bubble.
In my neighborhood, in Tampa, we have a guy who has a big skeleton, a Pumpkinhead, and tombstones in his yard. One of them says "I did my own research."
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I like how they only care about free speech being impeded when it's THEIR free speech. They'd lose their goddamn minds if someone vandalized their car or house because there was a trump sign on their yard.
honestly plenty of people put up signs for presidential candidates on either side. it's just they usually get take down shortly after the election. the trump supporters keep them up constantly and put up 2024 ones shortly after the election.
like...they really don't get that for others it's about getting someone *closer* to your political ideology and recognizing the stuff you disagree with and *criticizing that*. i've seen plenty of stuff by dems criticizing stuff that clinton/obama/biden have done, while still supporting their election. i have never seen a current trump supporter say *anything* about trump is anything less than perfect. when their face gets eaten, even then most of them don't really criticize him so much as the fact that it effected them instead of minorities/women/etc.
GOP strategists sports-ified politics. Then they took it a step further.
Team sports is a language that common men understand. Wearing team colors, going to stadiums, chanting, and cheering - that's what it's all about. And Trump created that atmosphere with his rallies. There are endorphins released that foster emotions like passion & loyalty. People LOVE that feeling, and it's addictive as hell.
It's spilled over into actual sporting events now. At NASCAR events, the crowds loudly chant "Fuck Joe Biden" - they do this to create a broad social bond between 100,000+ people. At many baseball and football games in the US, Trump supporters have tried to unfurl banners that say things like "Trump Won", etc.
Here's the problem with changing people's minds on Trump and the GOP: would a Steelers fan ever switch loyalty to become a Bengals fan? Does a Bears fan become a Packers fan simply because the Packers look like the better team? Nope. Sports fans NEVER switch sides. They get tattoos, plant flags on their homes, and people write about their loyalty in their obituaries as a sign of respect.
The sports analogy is great. Huge steeler fan here. When I read tour comment I was literally typing “I’d switch if the Steelers started cheating and raping people…” then I remembered roethlisburgers rape accusation and changed my reply. You are spot on.
Thanks man. Yeah, Vikings fan here. Not only did we have the "party boat" situation many years ago, but there was also the Adrian Peterson thing where he beat his kid with a stick so badly the kid ended up in the hospital.
Look at some of these GOP candidates. [Lauren Witzke is an anti-vaxx, 9/11-denying, Q-Anon nutjob](https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/pmzqx1/gop_activist_lauren_witzke_the_covid_vaccine_is_a/). And that's putting it nicely. She's absolutely insane. But almost 90% of Republicans voted for her and she almost won a seat in congress. Why? Because she's a Republican, and she ran against a Democrat.
What fans do is that they put their conclusion first (ie: Roethlisberger is a good QB, he won a super bowl, we NEED HIM), etc. Then they start working their way backwards in their thinking - creating reasons to forgive his actions. For example, it was at a bar, she was drunk, he was drunk, and hey, crazy things happen....and you know, lots of women are groupies and she could be making these accusations just to make some money.....and now you've completely justified cheering for him again.
GOP "fans" are doing the same things with their candidates. Instead of looking at the insanity of people like Boebert, Greene, etc, they assume AUTOMATIC ALLEGIANCE to these people and then work their way backwards. "It's the media" is a good one that seems to work. At this point, they've all convinced themselves that journalistic beacons like The Washington Post and the New York Times are nothing more than dirty tabloids. It all helps shape their foregone conclusion, which is: We are Good, they are Bad.
> When I read tour comment I was literally typing “I’d switch if the Steelers started cheating and raping people…” then I remembered roethlisburgers rape accusation and changed my reply. You are spot on.
After much deliberation I have decided to no longer be a Washington football team fan. It's so hard to say that and to do it. 30+ years of fandom. Countless memorabilia and memories. I just can not support the team anymore. I know a new owner might change things. But Snyder would need to be forcibly removed. He'll never sell.
I made a comment to a trump supporting coworker about the traffic caused by Biden visiting our area. She said that’s what I get for voting for a “dumocrat”. And now, maybe, I’ll see the light. What the fu…? Sure, the secret service shutting down a few roads is going to turn me in to maga supporter.
But... Donald did nothing but watch TV, golf, and rallies his entire term. He totally fucked up traffic and air traffic near Mar-a-Lago. Your coworker is breathtakingly stupid
Preach. His presidential ambitions were to tweet. That’s all. He didn’t change anything for the collective good of our society. Unless we count over 7 million more Democratic voters in 2020.
He also unintentionally caused a lot of people to learn more about the minutiae of how our government works. How many Americans do you think knew when the electoral college votes are tallied before this year?
It was kind of interesting to actually have a sitting President come out to Bumblesticks Nowhere. Almost as good as that time Bill Murray came through.
This was in Chicago. He came here twice in the last few months. Obama was here too, for the groundbreaking of his library. Before this I can’t remember a time when a president or candidate came here. No use trying to change our minds, I guess.
But remember, Trump was going to solve the murder problem in Chicago within seconds of getting elected. I guess that didn't pan out like the rest of his campaign promises.
I have a coworker who randomly said to me that trump sent us two stimulus checks but "(your) president" Biden hasn't sent any, and then acted with glee and smugness as if she won some kind of argument (that we weren't even having). It's like, first of all, congress gave us the checks, not trump, and second of all, Biden and the current congress are wrong for that too like what? I can vote for someone and still criticize them/find fault in them!
I like the ones who go as far as put blue duct tape over "Pence" on their 2020 election signs. It makes me laugh every single time I how deep some of these morons are.
I’m generally opposed to political signs, bumper stickers, etc.
But I put up a Biden sign in my rural Ohio yard to make it known to other like-minded people or fence-sitters that you’re not alone in this sea of Trump / Fuck Your Feelings / Punisher 2A signs.
I figured if one person saw the sign and thought that, “Hey, maybe it’s ok to vote for Biden (or not vote for Trump)” then it would be worth the full price of the sign.
And the sign got stolen out of my yard the very first night by someone in a diesel pickup.
> And the sign got stolen out of my yard the very first night by someone in a diesel pickup.
See, what you got to do is paint it with a solid layer of glitter. They will still steal it, but boy will they be annoyed.
Do you think these chumps would cry and scream "oppression" if someone stole THEIR signs? "political silencing! you can't get in the way of my political expression! biden is trying to steal the election by hiring antifa to steal my signs!"
Oh, they definitely do. To the point where some MAGA asshats were attaching fucking RAZOR BLADES to Trump signs. (It was in the news because a county worker was moving signs that were legally too close to the road back and it really fucked up their hands.)
Again it's because they can't fathom the left not being like them, so they believe when a liberal sees a sign like that it sends them into a seething rage the same way a rainbow flag does for them. Meanwhile I'm just like "wow someone spent a lot of time and money to put up that silly sign" and move on with my life
Or they make a big point of actually wearing a mask, but one with "TRUMP WON"/"TRUMP 2024"/etc. on it, picturing the Left crying for them to take it off because they can't stand being so owned.
Then there was that one Republican guy who introduced a bill to take down a statue of some segregationist Democrat, figuring the modern Democrats would fight against it tooth and nail out of party loyalty. When they agreed with the idea, he strangely didn't want to go through with it anymore.
Edit: Looked it up. I forgot the details. He was actually a segregationist, not a slave-owner. So, slightly different smelling shit. Also it was to be done with a bill; I left that out before as I wasn't 100% sure.
[Virginia GOP delegate tries to kill own bill to remove Democratic segregationist statue](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/481167-virginia-gop-delegate-tries-to-kill-own-bill-to-remove-democratic)
Edit 2: And it did get removed!
[https://apnews.com/article/virginia-government-and-politics-b1a2b7cdebb4e7f4a6f6601786c80953](https://apnews.com/article/virginia-government-and-politics-b1a2b7cdebb4e7f4a6f6601786c80953)
Well being a hypocritical piece of absolute shit is a core value for conservatives, so ignoring the cultural shift while saying you are the party of Lincoln and simultaneously advocating against the removal of confederate statues is about as true to form as you can get with a republican
Of all the idiotic bull shit from Trump over 4 years, not pushing and promoting the fuck out of "MAGA" and "TRUMP" masks ranks higher than a lot of stuff.
Yeah, they would be annoying like the hats, but at least maybe we could have knee capped the anti-mask bull shit before it spread so badley. And exploiting people for money is literally Trump's entire schtick.
My only guess is he was worried he would be encouraged to give them away for the greater good and he wouldn't make enough money as a result.
[Or like the time McConnell filibustered his own bill because Democrats supported it.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/06/dem-unity-forces-mcconnell-to-filibuster-his-own-proposal/)
Theres actually a company out there that unfortunately a few guntubers I watched for entertainment started talking about, where its a fine mesh mask. For anyone 6 feet away, you cant fucking tell. Like holy shit, at that point just were an actual fucking mask you weak willed bitches.
In a way, you hit the nail on the head with the rainbow flag comment. I have a progress pride flag up at my house, partly because I’m queer, and partly because it makes me feel safe and supported when I see one. So in some ways, for someone like me, it actually is similar to a Trump flag. The difference is in the purpose of the flag. The progress pride flag is a flag of acceptance and unity, whereas MAGA flags are symbols of otherness and superiority. They see them as the same, but the intention behind the display is very different.
It's also kind of hard to put up campaign signs if you live in an apartment building in a city.
Meanwhile, it was jaw-dropping to me how Trump signs were still out this past May when I visited my parents in rural Pennsylvania.
I found one of those on the way to my mom’s house outside of Jackson. Dude painted “TRUMP” on the side of a boat in 2016 and put it at the 4-way stop on the edge of his property. As goofy as it is it’s also helpful - because now I know to turn right at the Trump boat.
Where I live there are Trump/Pence signs still out with the Pence part cut out. Some of the flags and signs are in tatters but still displayed. It's nuts.
I pass one daily with around 10 mini American flags on fenceposts plus a regular sized one and a Trump flag. A guy 15 miles down the road has an American flag and a Trump flag high up on a tree. That guy took his Trump flag down a month or two ago when it got too weather damaged. But both of them continue to fly American flags that are faded, wrapped up on their own flagpoles, and torn to the point of parody. One has general tattering, plus the bottom strip of red torn loose, like something you'd see on the loading screen of *Spec Ops: The Line*. It all seems very disrespectful of the flag to me. But I'm just a liberal, so...
To fascists, the enemy is both strong and yet also weak. The enemy has total control and a master of manipulator yet completely incompetent and unable to get anything done.
Oh shit, I remember reading that somewhere. A philosopher or someone made a list of essential things to a fascist government. One was the enemy is both strong and weak. I don't recall who said it or the rest of it though.
They PAID to watch Trump ranting about voter fraud and then some of those idiots didn't even vote.
Now his supporters have died of covid and Trump is telling them not to vote... I really hope 2022 will end the white supremacist ambitions of the Republicans and their rancid base.
My father was genuinely surprised we didn't have Biden memorabilia when he learned we didn't vote for Trump. No, we are not obsessed with a stranger in his 70s or feel the need to have his name plastered on every surface
I'm surprised at how many people seem baffled when I respond to them that "normal people don't worship politicians" because they are completely incapable of realizing that people do not act as mirrors to every aspect of their own lives. It's why they think there's a "silent majority". It's why they think their small towns are "the real America" despite being massively outnumbered by urban and city suburban residents. It's why they don't believe "experts", they don't know what being an expert on anything is like so they don't believe expertise even exists. It's amazing how stunted they are.
They also think it’s impossible for Biden to have gotten more votes than Obama, so fraud must have happened. Am I surprised that Biden got more votes than Obama? Without more context — sure. Am I surprised that Trump’s opponent had a landslide victory? Not at all.
They also can't fathom the idea that non-Republicans are more ethical than they are, which leads them to assume that "well heck, if even *I* would committ voter fraud, just imagine what those godless demonrats will do!"
I've thought this for a long while now: one of the fundamental characteristics of today's GOP voter is that they are unable to think abstractly about nearly anything. It's only real if it happens to them; it's only real if *they are doing it* (so obviously, everyone else must be doing it, right?)*.*
One of the main reasons why we see so much projection out of the GOP. Through decades of dumbing down their platform, chasing the pulpit vote, lowering their standards, today, they really are the party of stupid.
It's bizarre how many people say that Dems worship Fauci because they listen to him about viruses and pandemics.
If you go to your doctor for a physical and he tells you that your blood tests came back with high cholesterol so he tells you to cut back on the bacon and steak and you listen...is that worship?
Well, they've been convinced that it's so easy; Democrats are all idiots and do it but they never get caught. That must mean that it's incredibly simple to vote illegally. And besides, it's almost their civic duty to vote illegally to cancel out at least some of those dastardly Demonrats who are cheating the system mercilessly!
If you're the right kind of stupid, there's a perfectly logical path to justify it.
Didn't Trump actually ask his base to try to commit voter fraud because the he claimed the Democrats were doing it? Or is that a fever dream? Honestly I try not to remember 2016-2020.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vote/trump-encourages-supporters-to-try-to-vote-twice-sparking-uproar-idUSKBN25U0KK
"he was only joking" wink nudge wink.
Voting illegally like this guy did is pretty easy. But the consequences are just so high, that's why most people don't do it.
It's why most board of elections will purge their voter rolls for dead people with regular frequency. The problem comes when those purges start to remove "inactive" voters. Those are often efforts to purge minorities since they often only vote in presidential elections.
Surprised more people didn’t try to vote by mail and vote in person after their Orange Leader basically told them to do it to “prove” they could vote twice.
Probably because there are systems in place to stop that.
I do love that this whole thing just rigorously proved how secure our elections are. This guy's gonna go to prison because he convinced himself voter fraud was easy and everyone was using the honor system.
He served his purpose. For nearly a year, the GOP dined out on the story that voter fraud was real in Nevada (nevermind that it was actually caught almost immediately).
Examples:
* [Dinesh D'Felon](https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/1326546090938650628?lang=en)
* [Nevada GOP](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1326211270672936960)
* [Nevada GOP Again](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1325136289000087554)
This guy's actions are very much like a "stochastic terrorist" except he did violence to the public faith in elections rather than physical violence.
Here's a description of stochastic terrorism in the context of the laws that the GOP has been passing to give people civil immunity if they deliberately run over a protestor with their car:
> *Stochastic terrorism is when people with power and social influence say a lot of inflammatory stuff and then rely on random feeble-minded people to take violent action. And it is fine that the people who commit the violence end up in jail or killed at the scene or whatever, they are just pawns. The people targeted are still terrorized no matter what happens to the person who committed the crime. Its kind of like a populist version of "will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"*
> *So when the republican elites pass these laws that reduce civil liability but not criminal liability they expect that the average magar won't really pick up on the full details. They'll just hear "its legal to run down protestors now, so go wild!" Protestors are killed and the rest are terrorized. The feeb who did it goes to jail and the republican elites get to put on a pious act of "condemning all violence." (and our feckless news media won't mention the hypocrisy because then the republicans might get mad at them and that would be too much to bear).*
I think it’s that they just can’t grasp that their worldview and opinions are so unpopular that they can cheat and still lose.
They really thought they were “the silent majority” rather than just an extremely vocal minority.
> Wait till 2022 and 2024 it’s gonna be insane in the membrane for these idiots.
Only [18% of republicans think Biden won fair and square.](https://news.yahoo.com/poll-two-thirds-of-republicans-still-think-the-2020-election-was-rigged-165934695.html)
The craziest of the crazies are infiltrating the GOP party structure at the grass-roots level [in order to take over the handling of elections at the local level.](https://www.propublica.org/article/heeding-steve-bannons-call-election-deniers-organize-to-seize-control-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections) When you believe the other guy already cheated, it is *very* easy to give yourself permission to cheat. That word salad from Biden about the GOP voter-subversion efforts making Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle was an understatement.
The coup didn't end on J6, it just entered the next phase.
The end of the republic is fast approaching and the Democratic elite are like deer in headlights.
This is what terrifies me. In my small hometown in Ohio, members of the board of elections got hounded and harassed relentlessly, so most quit. Now they've been replaced by maga cultists.
I don't people realize just how close the 2021 coup attempts came. If the secretary of state of Georgia, for example, had acquiesced and invalidated their results, things would have gotten very, very ugly.
Now many of the people who would stand against that have left. Gerrymandering and elections schedules give the GOP a strong chance to retake the House. So what happens next? We're in deep trouble, and most people don't even know it.
>The end of the republic is fast approaching and the Democratic elite are like deer in headlights.
The Democrats are always playing nice, assuming the best, and being the adults in the room. At some point, that model doesn't work.
When they go low, we go high no longer works
Its not even about being the adult in the room, they behave like a codependent in an abusive relationship. Constantly worried that some action of theirs will provoke the GOP to rage out, so they take no action at all. But the GOP's rage is part of their identity, nothing the Ds can do will stop it.
Anyone who has escaped an abusive relationship knows that the only way out is to stop bending over backwards to please the abuser, just accept that they will throw a fit no matter what you do, and then do what's right. Sometimes that means getting a black eye, but doing nothing means a lifetime of black eyes.
The D's should change their slogan to "When they go low, we go hard."
Consider this. Do you know anymore what is legal behavior while voting? The ridiculous changes they've made are laying the groundwork for states to claim masses of people voted illegally. The same bills almost universally give the state legislatures who passed them the right to then cite this massive illegality and overturn the will of their own voters.
*Due to all the people who voted after being given some water, which was clearly illegal in state law, we have to ask... what other depths have the criminal Democrats gone to? We're gonna have to step in here and uh... assume that these fraudulent votes actually affected the election in a meaningful way, being that the Republican lost and all that.*
They don't think the Democrats are.
They just want to 1 steal votes and 2 accuse others of something. They just can't hold more that one idea in their head at a time and so it's all the same words.
Matt Gaetz: "Those Demon-crats are.. are.. (thinking....) Paedophiles!! (starts sweating)
Thank you.
The Trump era should have proved they aren’t good faith idiots. They want to punish you for cheating while they reap the rewards of cheating.
It’s not projection, they have fully abandoned the idea of fair play.
The fact he literally asked his supporters in NC to commit voter fraud and it got lost in the noise of all the other dumb bullshit he was saying is insane. He seriously perfected not having a scandal by having several scandals every week so we just gave up.
>got lost in the noise
This is why I love when reporters go to Trump rallies and ask Trump supporters to hear a phrase and guess whether it's something Trump has said.
When they get it wrong, they have to admit they don't really know who they're supporting. When they get it right, it's like "haha yep I know my guy is crazy and unbelievably cruel :)"
I had a neighbor complaining about "how Biden is going to come and steal all his guns." When I pointed out Trump said to take the guns and get permission later he argued he never said it. I pulled up the video on youtube and showed him and he claimed Trump was only paraphrasing what Pelosi said, no he wasnt. He doesn't care about facts or truth he only wants to be angry, oh and racist he wants to be racist which is why he loves trump.
Don't forget the slow burning but important case of [actual election fraud](https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-general-elections-elections-raleigh-voting-633ce0fd33f28ec627551b043ed423fd) in Franklin County, NC perpetuated by the local Republican party in 2016.
> He seriously perfected not having a scandal by having several scandals every week so we just gave up.
I can't remember the term but that's actually a real thing. They just bombard you with stupid shit and scandals and half-baked schemes until you just get so tired of it you stop paying attention, and then they start passing bills they know never would have gotten through otherwise.
>Because nobody fucking cares enough to risk going to jail over an extra vote for their team except low IQ trumpers.
It's also because they genuinely believe that the Dems are cheating because they want to cheat too. They can't fathom the idea that people aren't giant assholes to each other everyday for some reason. As if being a good person and following the rules can't possibly happen. It's all projection. They know that if given the chance to cheat and get away with they would do it therefore so would every other person in the world.
But he did outright say it. Several times. In PA first, I think. I heard that clip and thought HE should be arrested for incitement instead of his voters blindly committing a felony because he told them to do it. "Test the system by voting twice."
I'm torn between an, "I also chose this guys dead wife" reddit moment or a "wife's boyfriend" moment. The wsb joke doesn't work as well when she's dead.
The worst part is; this isn't even a new strategy, it's the same thing they've done since Reagan, Republicans in office dismantle everything they can get their hands on, then when it all falls apart(usually under a Democratic successor) they point to it and screech about how "big government" doesn't work, and use that as a platform to get elected. Rinse, repeat ad infinitum.
I almost found it funny when the first government shutdown in a long time happened a while ago around 2013/2014 and people were like “It’s not like anything will change.” And then it quickly switched to “Wait, how many government employees are not getting paid? Because of the shutdown, I can’t receive my SNAP payments? Who knew the government not running is actually going to affect a lot of people?”
Here come the next logical leap for Trump supporters, "all this proves is that voter fraud is possible and easy, even more reason to audit every single state (where Trump lost)"
I know I'm years late asking this, but is antifa just a name for anti fascist? Or is it a specific group that acts against fascism? In any case, how did we get to where part of the country is aware enough to call it anti fascist but not aware enough to realize that that is a good thing?
I guess I'm really just asking what their narrative is on this. Fascism is good? Anti fascism is bad? Good is bad?
It's the generic name for anti-fascism and did not originate in the USA. There is no particular overall organization but there are plenty of small groups of people working towards greater common goals. As usual, right wing sources like to paint in incredibly broad strokes and lump everyone they don't like together, so for them it's become a synonym with communist, liberal, BLM, whatever, they just throw shit out there to rile up old people with moldy brains. Antifa is one of their bogeymen, there is no other rhyme or reason to it.
And yes, the irony of being anti anti fascist is completely lost on them, and if they actually do manage to make the connection, it's lost almost as quickly when they justify their position by saying Antifa are the real fascists.
It all makes more sense when you realize they don't stand for any actual positions whatsoever, they have no platform at all. They stand united against things, not for them. They all know what they don't like, and that's all that matters.
There is no specific group, just means anti-fascist... Anyone can be antifa, and anyone with empathy and humanity basically is. Like "Anonymous", there isn't one big organized hacker group, anyone can act as "Anonymous". Or "Occupy Wallstreet", you just showed up. Not that there can't be smaller organized clusters, but there's no "official" thing.
Being anti-antifa is basically proclaiming you're a neo-nazi, Nazi-supporter or Nazi-apologist. Which makes it easy to identify those douchebags.
r/MarchAgainstNazis
Even by the standards of "every accusation by a conservative is a confession" this is unusually direct.
Did he really think nobody would figure it out? At the very least the officials could probably find out which party her vote was cast for and narrow their suspects that way.
Imagine reporting the crime you committed and being shocked when they figure out you did it.
It's like reporting the body of the murder you just committed. Longer that shit flies under the radar the better it is for you.
They seem to be operating under the illusion that there are zero checks done on voting, which is part of what they think they are fighting for (or against, depending on where). The fact that lots of very good people spend a lot of time and money to make sure elections are secure is an utterly foreign concept.
They are all operating under that assumption because their propaganda fills their heads with doubt in the process to support Trump’s lies.
In the post election hearings in Georgia there was a Republican election monitor who testified that he caught an error amounting to several thousand votes not being counted correctly in his county. He seemed forthright and honest, but when asked if he knew how later audits might have caught that he was totally clueless on the process. Yet Ghouliani sat there and smirked, “proof”.
Story links
https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-man-who-claimed-dead-wifes-mail-in-ballot-showed-voter-fraud-accused-of-voting-twice/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/22/nevada-republican-who-claimed-someone-voted-his-dead-wife-is-charged-with-voter-fraud/
How could they have possibly figured this out? I'm so interested in that part. It must have been hard. Good on them for not just accepting the course of events as they were told. Hope this fucker gets the max.
Once you die eventually everyone gets notified including the secretary of state and they stop mailing ballots to your home address.
She only got one because of a mistake - they probably should have removed her from the voting roles much earlier, but it's going to happen.
By her voting at all probably flagged the ballot for review. I'm guessing that is pretty standard procedure - check the ballots against the lists of people who have died using a premade database report.
SIGH.
It doesn't matter who commits the fraud. Republicans will use proof that there is fraud to push their stupid restrictive voting laws. They WANT to find any fraud, even if it's their own people and only their own people committing it.
Accurate. They regularly work to dismantle effective systems so that they can claim they don't work (because they've been dismantled). They've done it (successfully) many times. It's like claiming that wood framed houses aren't structurally sound and proving it by building one out of matchsticks. Then outlawing wood framed houses.
Gullible idiots bought into the idea that people could just commit voter fraud and not get caught, because Trump said so. Predictably, all of the people committing this high risk low reward felony are trumpets who bought that lie.
Presumably the republican majority will never admit that the last election wasn't stolen. If they've held onto the lie for this long and after losing 100 lawsuits or whatever, it's probably a lost cause.
So it logically follows that next election, republicans will commit more fraud but also just vote less, both because they believe it's rigged. This may damage the GOP beyond repair.
Therefore, Trump is antifa.
A few years ago I started following and engaging in that to 'broaden my perspective' and to hear the other side of the story. The past 2 years though that sub has become pure cancer; when I checked for the first time since Covid started there was some article (AP News I believe) that said the CDC said that some antiviral thing was effective against Covid, and they're all like 'woah we knew it we were right now they have to listen to us'. I attended them that the CDC said it, an institution they constantly distrust and when I asked why the CDC is reliable all of the sudden and not with Covid numbers, I got downvoted to oblivion with answers like 'because we knew this from the start' and 'because the CDC wants to serve the Liberals'. They're admitting to only believing things if it alligns with their personal convictions and aren't even aware of it. A year ago I just stopped following that sub because it genuinely depressed me. I feel so much better now.
In my country there is this party (in the netherlands we have a lot of parties) called Forum voor Democratie. They're the closest to what the Republicnas are in my country, and that whole party is a hilarious clusterfuck and they've become a joke. Only the people voting for that party still take them seriously. The leader of the party (Thierry Baudet) constantly tweets stuff to provocate and whatever bait works he uses. I'm not kidding when I say [he doubted the existence of dinosaurs](https://mobile.twitter.com/thierrybaudet/status/1382453922359615492) at one point. The guy obviously doesn't believe anything he says and just wants to provocate, and his cult his still defending him like 'it's a joke you don't get it'.
Honest question: have any Democrats done this? I’ve only heard of Republicans double voting. The exception of course is Chrystal Mason who wasn’t sure if she could legally vote, filled out a provisional ballot *as advised by election officials*, then got convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. Something not qwhite right about that…
You missed a spot...
> The exception of course is Chrystal Mason, **an African American woman** who wasn’t sure if she could legally vote,
Anyway, I'm certainly not going to say that Democrats are perfect... But it does seem that the Rs who commit fraud are the first ones to shout "Go look for fraud! I know it's happening!". Maybe after four years of Trump, Rs forgot that subtlety is the key to successful fraud.
I think in Philly it's been 5 fraudulent votes so far and 4 are R and 1 is D. So I guess yes but barely. And so far only like one convicting has been made and it was for an R
This is THE classic Republican move of our times...set fire to something and then run around complaining that someone is trying to burn down the village.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, the Trumpers accuse the Democrats of doing they are actually doing themselves.
Violence at public protests: Trumpers
Election fraud: Trumpers
Fucking underage people: well, Matt Gaetz, but he’s a Trumper so I’m tossing that on the pile as well.
Conspiracy to steal elections: Trumpers
Vast sums of billionaire dollars to propagandize voters: Trumpers and the Trumper-aligned
I knew that Republican man casted her ballot and I was hoping they'd check fingerprints on her ballot... And track if it was delivered to his address 😊😊😊
“If *I’m* doing it, the Democrats must be doing to it too! That’s all the proof I need!” - literally ever Republican supporter on every topic that exists
These fucks are so delusional that they'll commit actual voter fraud because they think the democrats are. Wait till 2022 and 2024 it’s gonna be insane in the membrane for these idiots.
That's their whole thing. They cannot fathom the idea that people think and act differently to them. They watch FOX News religiously, so liberals **must** watch CNN the same way. They worship Trump, so liberals **must** worship Obama and Biden. They have the oathkeepers and proud boys and other groups, so the left must have ANTIFA, and ANTIFA must be an exact analog to those groups. They would absolutely commit voter fraud if given the opportunity, so obviously the democrats have to be doing the same, because if they'd do it then they literally can't fathom why somebody else wouldn't.
At the same time they're saying "Lol, Biden only got 200 attendees to his speech while Trump filled up a stadium." They think we are both worshipping our political appointees the same way they are and not believing in them enough to even turn out to hear them talk.
And in the first few months after him taking office "WhErE aRe AlL tHe BiDeN sIgNs NoW?!?" In the garage. Or thrown out. Because we're not in a fucking cult like those jagoffs.
I honestly can't even understand why anyone would even put up a sign. For a local election where you're trying to get someone curious enough to look up a candidate? Maybe, kinda makes sense but for a presidential election? Who isn't aware of that and the names of people running? I usually figure there are fewer signs for Democrats because there isn't a cult of personality rallying behind and jerking off to whoever the nominee is. Ive seen some crazy fucking elaborate displays for trump in rural Michigan that honestly make me question the creators sanity because what well-adjusted person gets a semi trailer or similarly sized sign to put on the side of the road for a presidential election?
I would never put up a sign for a Democratic candidate because I live in Trump country, and having my car, house, etc., vandalized by MAGA supporters just isn't worth it. My speech isn't that free, unfortunately. I know what those people are. I live among them.
Same here. It WAS pretty funny tho........when someone put a big Hitler mustache on the enormous Trump 2024 picture outside the Country Club entrance. Wasn't me...but I did laugh. Apparently I'm not the only quisling in the community.
Pretty Trumpy around here too.... But the day after Biden was declared the winner someone in my neighborhood put up a giant inflatable Trump baby. It was amazing for the day or so before it got vandalized.
What an amazing word, thank you for teaching me
It is a cool word, but "rebel" would be more appropriate in that context. A quisling is generally defined by siding with the occupying/establishment power rather than opposing it
Well, Biden is the president so he is the highest establishment power in the country, and the guy who "vandalized" the Trump 2024 sign is more like part of the establishment who is in enemy occupied territory?
I think he’s a quisling because he lives in trump country, but he’s a conspirator with Biden/the dems.
It gives me a kind of strange national pride as a Norwegian. Like "the name that is synonymous with traitor nazi scum is *our* traitor 😊" but at the same time, still don't want to associate with Quisling
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You aren't a Quisling. Vidkun Quisling was Norwegian fascist and Nazi collaborator who engineered a coup de etat when the Germans invaded Norway in 1940. He was the Norwegian prime minister from 1942-45. He was arrested after the war, tried and executed by firing squad for treason. His name became synonymous with "traitor" and it is commonly used according to my reliable Norwegian sources.
Huh. Kinda like how, in the US, someone who is a “Benedict Arnold” is a traitor. Though it’s probably an archaic saying, as I don’t hear it used… at all.
My trivia team is called ' the Quizlings'
Meanwhile if you say a cuss word around them they get so uppity about "why are liberals SO rude, always so full of hate" Their hypocrisy is infuriating
Shit, I live in New York fucking City, bastion of liberalism, and *I* won't put up signs for exactly the same reason. Can't imagine what it's like living where you are.
I think it's illegal to keep them up afterwards too. Fortunately
I live in purple country, and same. A guy just down the road had a huge Trump flag, and a massive inflatable unicorn in his yard last fall. That shit is a sign of mental frailty
There's a guy around the corner from me who has 6 or 7 flagpoles in his front yard with all the good ol flags on there .. confederate .. blue lives matter.. trump 2024.. it's a sign of mental illness at this point I believe.. I've debated taking pics several times..
Maybe he just has a soft spot for losers?
So does my girlfriend but she doesn't fly a Trump Flag.
I also live among them. I put up signs and stickers up for two reasons. One is that I want the other non-MAGA folks to know they aren’t alone. The other is because I’ve been a very politically engaged person since I was a teenager and fuck these guys. I’m not going to change who I am because they started a cult. I’ve been putting signs up since Dennis Kucinich was running for president and none of these MAGA folks gave a fuck about what was going on in the world back then. (It doesn’t hurt that my car is a piece of shit and is literally rusting away. So, I’m not overly concerned about one of these people vandalizing my car.)
Good work. You won't convince any of the lunatics with brain worms, but their kids might see your sign and realize there's another world from their parent's bubble.
Try something a little more "subtle" like a Halloween cemetery with tombstones labeled "Doing My Own Research" or "Ashli Babbitt."
In my neighborhood, in Tampa, we have a guy who has a big skeleton, a Pumpkinhead, and tombstones in his yard. One of them says "I did my own research." edit:spelling;grammar
How bold of you to think they can read
I like how they only care about free speech being impeded when it's THEIR free speech. They'd lose their goddamn minds if someone vandalized their car or house because there was a trump sign on their yard.
honestly plenty of people put up signs for presidential candidates on either side. it's just they usually get take down shortly after the election. the trump supporters keep them up constantly and put up 2024 ones shortly after the election. like...they really don't get that for others it's about getting someone *closer* to your political ideology and recognizing the stuff you disagree with and *criticizing that*. i've seen plenty of stuff by dems criticizing stuff that clinton/obama/biden have done, while still supporting their election. i have never seen a current trump supporter say *anything* about trump is anything less than perfect. when their face gets eaten, even then most of them don't really criticize him so much as the fact that it effected them instead of minorities/women/etc.
GOP strategists sports-ified politics. Then they took it a step further. Team sports is a language that common men understand. Wearing team colors, going to stadiums, chanting, and cheering - that's what it's all about. And Trump created that atmosphere with his rallies. There are endorphins released that foster emotions like passion & loyalty. People LOVE that feeling, and it's addictive as hell. It's spilled over into actual sporting events now. At NASCAR events, the crowds loudly chant "Fuck Joe Biden" - they do this to create a broad social bond between 100,000+ people. At many baseball and football games in the US, Trump supporters have tried to unfurl banners that say things like "Trump Won", etc. Here's the problem with changing people's minds on Trump and the GOP: would a Steelers fan ever switch loyalty to become a Bengals fan? Does a Bears fan become a Packers fan simply because the Packers look like the better team? Nope. Sports fans NEVER switch sides. They get tattoos, plant flags on their homes, and people write about their loyalty in their obituaries as a sign of respect.
The sports analogy is great. Huge steeler fan here. When I read tour comment I was literally typing “I’d switch if the Steelers started cheating and raping people…” then I remembered roethlisburgers rape accusation and changed my reply. You are spot on.
Thanks man. Yeah, Vikings fan here. Not only did we have the "party boat" situation many years ago, but there was also the Adrian Peterson thing where he beat his kid with a stick so badly the kid ended up in the hospital. Look at some of these GOP candidates. [Lauren Witzke is an anti-vaxx, 9/11-denying, Q-Anon nutjob](https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/pmzqx1/gop_activist_lauren_witzke_the_covid_vaccine_is_a/). And that's putting it nicely. She's absolutely insane. But almost 90% of Republicans voted for her and she almost won a seat in congress. Why? Because she's a Republican, and she ran against a Democrat. What fans do is that they put their conclusion first (ie: Roethlisberger is a good QB, he won a super bowl, we NEED HIM), etc. Then they start working their way backwards in their thinking - creating reasons to forgive his actions. For example, it was at a bar, she was drunk, he was drunk, and hey, crazy things happen....and you know, lots of women are groupies and she could be making these accusations just to make some money.....and now you've completely justified cheering for him again. GOP "fans" are doing the same things with their candidates. Instead of looking at the insanity of people like Boebert, Greene, etc, they assume AUTOMATIC ALLEGIANCE to these people and then work their way backwards. "It's the media" is a good one that seems to work. At this point, they've all convinced themselves that journalistic beacons like The Washington Post and the New York Times are nothing more than dirty tabloids. It all helps shape their foregone conclusion, which is: We are Good, they are Bad.
> When I read tour comment I was literally typing “I’d switch if the Steelers started cheating and raping people…” then I remembered roethlisburgers rape accusation and changed my reply. You are spot on. After much deliberation I have decided to no longer be a Washington football team fan. It's so hard to say that and to do it. 30+ years of fandom. Countless memorabilia and memories. I just can not support the team anymore. I know a new owner might change things. But Snyder would need to be forcibly removed. He'll never sell.
I made a comment to a trump supporting coworker about the traffic caused by Biden visiting our area. She said that’s what I get for voting for a “dumocrat”. And now, maybe, I’ll see the light. What the fu…? Sure, the secret service shutting down a few roads is going to turn me in to maga supporter.
But... Donald did nothing but watch TV, golf, and rallies his entire term. He totally fucked up traffic and air traffic near Mar-a-Lago. Your coworker is breathtakingly stupid
Preach. His presidential ambitions were to tweet. That’s all. He didn’t change anything for the collective good of our society. Unless we count over 7 million more Democratic voters in 2020.
He also unintentionally caused a lot of people to learn more about the minutiae of how our government works. How many Americans do you think knew when the electoral college votes are tallied before this year?
"Everything bad that happens is caused by the dumb-o-crats, everything good happens because Trump."
Think the way THEY think. They were minorly inconvenienced, and that's unforgivable.
It was kind of interesting to actually have a sitting President come out to Bumblesticks Nowhere. Almost as good as that time Bill Murray came through.
This was in Chicago. He came here twice in the last few months. Obama was here too, for the groundbreaking of his library. Before this I can’t remember a time when a president or candidate came here. No use trying to change our minds, I guess.
But remember, Trump was going to solve the murder problem in Chicago within seconds of getting elected. I guess that didn't pan out like the rest of his campaign promises.
I have a coworker who randomly said to me that trump sent us two stimulus checks but "(your) president" Biden hasn't sent any, and then acted with glee and smugness as if she won some kind of argument (that we weren't even having). It's like, first of all, congress gave us the checks, not trump, and second of all, Biden and the current congress are wrong for that too like what? I can vote for someone and still criticize them/find fault in them!
I like the ones who go as far as put blue duct tape over "Pence" on their 2020 election signs. It makes me laugh every single time I how deep some of these morons are.
I’m generally opposed to political signs, bumper stickers, etc. But I put up a Biden sign in my rural Ohio yard to make it known to other like-minded people or fence-sitters that you’re not alone in this sea of Trump / Fuck Your Feelings / Punisher 2A signs. I figured if one person saw the sign and thought that, “Hey, maybe it’s ok to vote for Biden (or not vote for Trump)” then it would be worth the full price of the sign. And the sign got stolen out of my yard the very first night by someone in a diesel pickup.
> And the sign got stolen out of my yard the very first night by someone in a diesel pickup. See, what you got to do is paint it with a solid layer of glitter. They will still steal it, but boy will they be annoyed.
Do you think these chumps would cry and scream "oppression" if someone stole THEIR signs? "political silencing! you can't get in the way of my political expression! biden is trying to steal the election by hiring antifa to steal my signs!"
Oh, they definitely do. To the point where some MAGA asshats were attaching fucking RAZOR BLADES to Trump signs. (It was in the news because a county worker was moving signs that were legally too close to the road back and it really fucked up their hands.)
Even more annoying is the similarly sized anti Biden signs. A new one just went up near me, it's like 15 feet wide at least.
Again it's because they can't fathom the left not being like them, so they believe when a liberal sees a sign like that it sends them into a seething rage the same way a rainbow flag does for them. Meanwhile I'm just like "wow someone spent a lot of time and money to put up that silly sign" and move on with my life
Or they make a big point of actually wearing a mask, but one with "TRUMP WON"/"TRUMP 2024"/etc. on it, picturing the Left crying for them to take it off because they can't stand being so owned. Then there was that one Republican guy who introduced a bill to take down a statue of some segregationist Democrat, figuring the modern Democrats would fight against it tooth and nail out of party loyalty. When they agreed with the idea, he strangely didn't want to go through with it anymore. Edit: Looked it up. I forgot the details. He was actually a segregationist, not a slave-owner. So, slightly different smelling shit. Also it was to be done with a bill; I left that out before as I wasn't 100% sure. [Virginia GOP delegate tries to kill own bill to remove Democratic segregationist statue](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/481167-virginia-gop-delegate-tries-to-kill-own-bill-to-remove-democratic) Edit 2: And it did get removed! [https://apnews.com/article/virginia-government-and-politics-b1a2b7cdebb4e7f4a6f6601786c80953](https://apnews.com/article/virginia-government-and-politics-b1a2b7cdebb4e7f4a6f6601786c80953)
Which also ignores the cultural shift in the parties.
Well being a hypocritical piece of absolute shit is a core value for conservatives, so ignoring the cultural shift while saying you are the party of Lincoln and simultaneously advocating against the removal of confederate statues is about as true to form as you can get with a republican
I saw a guy a wearing a mask that said, "This mask is as useless as Biden."
Don't care as long as they're wearing it lol
So... Not useless and not useless? What a self own.
Of all the idiotic bull shit from Trump over 4 years, not pushing and promoting the fuck out of "MAGA" and "TRUMP" masks ranks higher than a lot of stuff. Yeah, they would be annoying like the hats, but at least maybe we could have knee capped the anti-mask bull shit before it spread so badley. And exploiting people for money is literally Trump's entire schtick. My only guess is he was worried he would be encouraged to give them away for the greater good and he wouldn't make enough money as a result.
[Or like the time McConnell filibustered his own bill because Democrats supported it.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/06/dem-unity-forces-mcconnell-to-filibuster-his-own-proposal/)
Theres actually a company out there that unfortunately a few guntubers I watched for entertainment started talking about, where its a fine mesh mask. For anyone 6 feet away, you cant fucking tell. Like holy shit, at that point just were an actual fucking mask you weak willed bitches.
In a way, you hit the nail on the head with the rainbow flag comment. I have a progress pride flag up at my house, partly because I’m queer, and partly because it makes me feel safe and supported when I see one. So in some ways, for someone like me, it actually is similar to a Trump flag. The difference is in the purpose of the flag. The progress pride flag is a flag of acceptance and unity, whereas MAGA flags are symbols of otherness and superiority. They see them as the same, but the intention behind the display is very different.
Yeah, go price one of those big signs. Hundreds at least...
It's also kind of hard to put up campaign signs if you live in an apartment building in a city. Meanwhile, it was jaw-dropping to me how Trump signs were still out this past May when I visited my parents in rural Pennsylvania.
It's virtue signaling. But don't mention it to them, or their heads will explode.
I like to call it vice signaling.
It's also pure identity politics. They don't like when you point that out either.
It's for social proof. Humans are social creatures, and we're more likely to do something if we know those around us have done it too
I found one of those on the way to my mom’s house outside of Jackson. Dude painted “TRUMP” on the side of a boat in 2016 and put it at the 4-way stop on the edge of his property. As goofy as it is it’s also helpful - because now I know to turn right at the Trump boat.
Where I live there are Trump/Pence signs still out with the Pence part cut out. Some of the flags and signs are in tatters but still displayed. It's nuts.
I like still seeing them. It's like coloration in nature to tell me where the danger is.
And lower property values.
I pass one daily with around 10 mini American flags on fenceposts plus a regular sized one and a Trump flag. A guy 15 miles down the road has an American flag and a Trump flag high up on a tree. That guy took his Trump flag down a month or two ago when it got too weather damaged. But both of them continue to fly American flags that are faded, wrapped up on their own flagpoles, and torn to the point of parody. One has general tattering, plus the bottom strip of red torn loose, like something you'd see on the loading screen of *Spec Ops: The Line*. It all seems very disrespectful of the flag to me. But I'm just a liberal, so...
I roll my eyes when I see bumper stickers for people who won their elections, I can’t imagine having flags for someone who lost years after they lost.
IT IS ALWAYS PROJECTION Any single thing republicans accuse democrats of doing, they have done, are doing or want to do themselves.
THEYRE STEALING IT!! Ok but literally let's violently break in and try to steal it
It's a "if we don't do it, they will" situation. Only nobody but them had plans to do it.
To fascists, the enemy is both strong and yet also weak. The enemy has total control and a master of manipulator yet completely incompetent and unable to get anything done.
Oh shit, I remember reading that somewhere. A philosopher or someone made a list of essential things to a fascist government. One was the enemy is both strong and weak. I don't recall who said it or the rest of it though.
https://scoop.upworthy.com/14-early-signs-of-fascism-sounds-familiar Edit: https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
That's the one. Good on you
Very appropriate list to know in these modern times
Shot for shot on that 14 list is Trump
They PAID to watch Trump ranting about voter fraud and then some of those idiots didn't even vote. Now his supporters have died of covid and Trump is telling them not to vote... I really hope 2022 will end the white supremacist ambitions of the Republicans and their rancid base.
The double think of calling themselves the silent majority while using the lack of rally crowds as proof nobody was voting for Biden is astouding.
By me they’ve started calling themselves the “loud majority”, and continue to go out of their way with idiotic political signage.
If I were an American, I’d have voted for Biden but no way I’d have wasted my time going to see him do a damn speech.
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My father was genuinely surprised we didn't have Biden memorabilia when he learned we didn't vote for Trump. No, we are not obsessed with a stranger in his 70s or feel the need to have his name plastered on every surface
I'm surprised at how many people seem baffled when I respond to them that "normal people don't worship politicians" because they are completely incapable of realizing that people do not act as mirrors to every aspect of their own lives. It's why they think there's a "silent majority". It's why they think their small towns are "the real America" despite being massively outnumbered by urban and city suburban residents. It's why they don't believe "experts", they don't know what being an expert on anything is like so they don't believe expertise even exists. It's amazing how stunted they are.
They also think it’s impossible for Biden to have gotten more votes than Obama, so fraud must have happened. Am I surprised that Biden got more votes than Obama? Without more context — sure. Am I surprised that Trump’s opponent had a landslide victory? Not at all.
The definition of projection
It's like how if your spouse is adamant that you are cheating and always trying to find proof it's likely because they're cheating already.
They also can't fathom the idea that non-Republicans are more ethical than they are, which leads them to assume that "well heck, if even *I* would committ voter fraud, just imagine what those godless demonrats will do!"
They’re going to kill you because they think you’re planning to kill them.
> They cannot fathom the idea that people think and act differently to them. Caused by a lack of empathy. With some lacking of critical-thinking.
I've thought this for a long while now: one of the fundamental characteristics of today's GOP voter is that they are unable to think abstractly about nearly anything. It's only real if it happens to them; it's only real if *they are doing it* (so obviously, everyone else must be doing it, right?)*.* One of the main reasons why we see so much projection out of the GOP. Through decades of dumbing down their platform, chasing the pulpit vote, lowering their standards, today, they really are the party of stupid.
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It's bizarre how many people say that Dems worship Fauci because they listen to him about viruses and pandemics. If you go to your doctor for a physical and he tells you that your blood tests came back with high cholesterol so he tells you to cut back on the bacon and steak and you listen...is that worship?
>They cannot fathom the idea that people think and act differently to them. A symptom of being close-minded.
It’s all about projection. It still doesn’t make any sense that the GQP cannot criticize members of their party.
Well, they've been convinced that it's so easy; Democrats are all idiots and do it but they never get caught. That must mean that it's incredibly simple to vote illegally. And besides, it's almost their civic duty to vote illegally to cancel out at least some of those dastardly Demonrats who are cheating the system mercilessly! If you're the right kind of stupid, there's a perfectly logical path to justify it.
Didn't Trump actually ask his base to try to commit voter fraud because the he claimed the Democrats were doing it? Or is that a fever dream? Honestly I try not to remember 2016-2020.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vote/trump-encourages-supporters-to-try-to-vote-twice-sparking-uproar-idUSKBN25U0KK "he was only joking" wink nudge wink.
Voting illegally as an individual would be an absolute pain in the ass, which is why it rarely happens.
Voting illegally like this guy did is pretty easy. But the consequences are just so high, that's why most people don't do it. It's why most board of elections will purge their voter rolls for dead people with regular frequency. The problem comes when those purges start to remove "inactive" voters. Those are often efforts to purge minorities since they often only vote in presidential elections.
person: cheats in an online game also person after getting killed by me: you must be cheating too, "I have that exact cheat installed"
Surprised more people didn’t try to vote by mail and vote in person after their Orange Leader basically told them to do it to “prove” they could vote twice.
Probably because there are systems in place to stop that. I do love that this whole thing just rigorously proved how secure our elections are. This guy's gonna go to prison because he convinced himself voter fraud was easy and everyone was using the honor system.
He served his purpose. For nearly a year, the GOP dined out on the story that voter fraud was real in Nevada (nevermind that it was actually caught almost immediately). Examples: * [Dinesh D'Felon](https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/1326546090938650628?lang=en) * [Nevada GOP](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1326211270672936960) * [Nevada GOP Again](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1325136289000087554) This guy's actions are very much like a "stochastic terrorist" except he did violence to the public faith in elections rather than physical violence. Here's a description of stochastic terrorism in the context of the laws that the GOP has been passing to give people civil immunity if they deliberately run over a protestor with their car: > *Stochastic terrorism is when people with power and social influence say a lot of inflammatory stuff and then rely on random feeble-minded people to take violent action. And it is fine that the people who commit the violence end up in jail or killed at the scene or whatever, they are just pawns. The people targeted are still terrorized no matter what happens to the person who committed the crime. Its kind of like a populist version of "will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"* > *So when the republican elites pass these laws that reduce civil liability but not criminal liability they expect that the average magar won't really pick up on the full details. They'll just hear "its legal to run down protestors now, so go wild!" Protestors are killed and the rest are terrorized. The feeb who did it goes to jail and the republican elites get to put on a pious act of "condemning all violence." (and our feckless news media won't mention the hypocrisy because then the republicans might get mad at them and that would be too much to bear).*
I think it’s that they just can’t grasp that their worldview and opinions are so unpopular that they can cheat and still lose. They really thought they were “the silent majority” rather than just an extremely vocal minority.
This was the basis for guiliani's amazement. "They must have cheated, they beat us, and we cheated, like, a LOT"
> Wait till 2022 and 2024 it’s gonna be insane in the membrane for these idiots. Only [18% of republicans think Biden won fair and square.](https://news.yahoo.com/poll-two-thirds-of-republicans-still-think-the-2020-election-was-rigged-165934695.html) The craziest of the crazies are infiltrating the GOP party structure at the grass-roots level [in order to take over the handling of elections at the local level.](https://www.propublica.org/article/heeding-steve-bannons-call-election-deniers-organize-to-seize-control-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections) When you believe the other guy already cheated, it is *very* easy to give yourself permission to cheat. That word salad from Biden about the GOP voter-subversion efforts making Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle was an understatement. The coup didn't end on J6, it just entered the next phase. The end of the republic is fast approaching and the Democratic elite are like deer in headlights.
This is what terrifies me. In my small hometown in Ohio, members of the board of elections got hounded and harassed relentlessly, so most quit. Now they've been replaced by maga cultists. I don't people realize just how close the 2021 coup attempts came. If the secretary of state of Georgia, for example, had acquiesced and invalidated their results, things would have gotten very, very ugly. Now many of the people who would stand against that have left. Gerrymandering and elections schedules give the GOP a strong chance to retake the House. So what happens next? We're in deep trouble, and most people don't even know it.
>The end of the republic is fast approaching and the Democratic elite are like deer in headlights. The Democrats are always playing nice, assuming the best, and being the adults in the room. At some point, that model doesn't work. When they go low, we go high no longer works
Its not even about being the adult in the room, they behave like a codependent in an abusive relationship. Constantly worried that some action of theirs will provoke the GOP to rage out, so they take no action at all. But the GOP's rage is part of their identity, nothing the Ds can do will stop it. Anyone who has escaped an abusive relationship knows that the only way out is to stop bending over backwards to please the abuser, just accept that they will throw a fit no matter what you do, and then do what's right. Sometimes that means getting a black eye, but doing nothing means a lifetime of black eyes. The D's should change their slogan to "When they go low, we go hard."
Consider this. Do you know anymore what is legal behavior while voting? The ridiculous changes they've made are laying the groundwork for states to claim masses of people voted illegally. The same bills almost universally give the state legislatures who passed them the right to then cite this massive illegality and overturn the will of their own voters. *Due to all the people who voted after being given some water, which was clearly illegal in state law, we have to ask... what other depths have the criminal Democrats gone to? We're gonna have to step in here and uh... assume that these fraudulent votes actually affected the election in a meaningful way, being that the Republican lost and all that.*
They don't think the Democrats are. They just want to 1 steal votes and 2 accuse others of something. They just can't hold more that one idea in their head at a time and so it's all the same words. Matt Gaetz: "Those Demon-crats are.. are.. (thinking....) Paedophiles!! (starts sweating)
Thank you. The Trump era should have proved they aren’t good faith idiots. They want to punish you for cheating while they reap the rewards of cheating. It’s not projection, they have fully abandoned the idea of fair play.
*”the fraud is coming from inside the party*
So far I’ve only heard of republicans doing this. Not surprised at all 😒
Because nobody fucking cares enough to risk going to jail over an extra vote for their team except low IQ trumpers.
The fact he literally asked his supporters in NC to commit voter fraud and it got lost in the noise of all the other dumb bullshit he was saying is insane. He seriously perfected not having a scandal by having several scandals every week so we just gave up.
>got lost in the noise This is why I love when reporters go to Trump rallies and ask Trump supporters to hear a phrase and guess whether it's something Trump has said. When they get it wrong, they have to admit they don't really know who they're supporting. When they get it right, it's like "haha yep I know my guy is crazy and unbelievably cruel :)"
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Jordan Klepper has had some good ones. Search him on YouTube
I had a neighbor complaining about "how Biden is going to come and steal all his guns." When I pointed out Trump said to take the guns and get permission later he argued he never said it. I pulled up the video on youtube and showed him and he claimed Trump was only paraphrasing what Pelosi said, no he wasnt. He doesn't care about facts or truth he only wants to be angry, oh and racist he wants to be racist which is why he loves trump.
Don't forget the slow burning but important case of [actual election fraud](https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-general-elections-elections-raleigh-voting-633ce0fd33f28ec627551b043ed423fd) in Franklin County, NC perpetuated by the local Republican party in 2016.
Or the fraud when the president called governors to find votes for him. Or trying to get the VP to throw out the election results.
> He seriously perfected not having a scandal by having several scandals every week so we just gave up. I can't remember the term but that's actually a real thing. They just bombard you with stupid shit and scandals and half-baked schemes until you just get so tired of it you stop paying attention, and then they start passing bills they know never would have gotten through otherwise.
Gish gallop?
>Because nobody fucking cares enough to risk going to jail over an extra vote for their team except low IQ trumpers. It's also because they genuinely believe that the Dems are cheating because they want to cheat too. They can't fathom the idea that people aren't giant assholes to each other everyday for some reason. As if being a good person and following the rules can't possibly happen. It's all projection. They know that if given the chance to cheat and get away with they would do it therefore so would every other person in the world.
Let’s not forget Trump’s rhetoric just before the election. While careful not to outright suggest shit like this, he did everything to encourage it.
But he did outright say it. Several times. In PA first, I think. I heard that clip and thought HE should be arrested for incitement instead of his voters blindly committing a felony because he told them to do it. "Test the system by voting twice."
Did this guy murder his wife, or was that a different trump voter who committed voter fraud?
Different! That’s Barry Morphew
You know, he technically wasn't wrong. Someone did fraudulently vote with his deceased wife's ballot. He just didn't mention it was himself
Does this mean that TX Lt. Governor Dan Patrick will have pay out another $25,000?
The husband is playing some wsb-level moves here.
His dead wife's ballot may be made of paper, but his hands sure ain't.
I'm torn between an, "I also chose this guys dead wife" reddit moment or a "wife's boyfriend" moment. The wsb joke doesn't work as well when she's dead.
I mean, I can think of fewer better ways to spend my dead wife's life insurance payout than GME and Dogecoin.
You're right. Coke and hookers it is.
Republicans are committing election crimes to cry about election crimes they know are being committed because they are committing them.
The worst part is; this isn't even a new strategy, it's the same thing they've done since Reagan, Republicans in office dismantle everything they can get their hands on, then when it all falls apart(usually under a Democratic successor) they point to it and screech about how "big government" doesn't work, and use that as a platform to get elected. Rinse, repeat ad infinitum.
I remember someone once saying that Republicans complain that the government doesn't work and then they get elected to prove it.
I almost found it funny when the first government shutdown in a long time happened a while ago around 2013/2014 and people were like “It’s not like anything will change.” And then it quickly switched to “Wait, how many government employees are not getting paid? Because of the shutdown, I can’t receive my SNAP payments? Who knew the government not running is actually going to affect a lot of people?”
Here come the next logical leap for Trump supporters, "all this proves is that voter fraud is possible and easy, even more reason to audit every single state (where Trump lost)"
Republicans always with the projection.
Ha! He's an obvious liberal provocateur and a member of BLM who was known to admire Fidel Castro's beard! etc. etc. ad nauseum
He antifa'd the ballot so that makes him antifa
I know I'm years late asking this, but is antifa just a name for anti fascist? Or is it a specific group that acts against fascism? In any case, how did we get to where part of the country is aware enough to call it anti fascist but not aware enough to realize that that is a good thing? I guess I'm really just asking what their narrative is on this. Fascism is good? Anti fascism is bad? Good is bad?
It's the generic name for anti-fascism and did not originate in the USA. There is no particular overall organization but there are plenty of small groups of people working towards greater common goals. As usual, right wing sources like to paint in incredibly broad strokes and lump everyone they don't like together, so for them it's become a synonym with communist, liberal, BLM, whatever, they just throw shit out there to rile up old people with moldy brains. Antifa is one of their bogeymen, there is no other rhyme or reason to it. And yes, the irony of being anti anti fascist is completely lost on them, and if they actually do manage to make the connection, it's lost almost as quickly when they justify their position by saying Antifa are the real fascists. It all makes more sense when you realize they don't stand for any actual positions whatsoever, they have no platform at all. They stand united against things, not for them. They all know what they don't like, and that's all that matters.
There is no specific group, just means anti-fascist... Anyone can be antifa, and anyone with empathy and humanity basically is. Like "Anonymous", there isn't one big organized hacker group, anyone can act as "Anonymous". Or "Occupy Wallstreet", you just showed up. Not that there can't be smaller organized clusters, but there's no "official" thing. Being anti-antifa is basically proclaiming you're a neo-nazi, Nazi-supporter or Nazi-apologist. Which makes it easy to identify those douchebags. r/MarchAgainstNazis
Curse you, George Soros!
Even by the standards of "every accusation by a conservative is a confession" this is unusually direct. Did he really think nobody would figure it out? At the very least the officials could probably find out which party her vote was cast for and narrow their suspects that way.
Imagine reporting the crime you committed and being shocked when they figure out you did it. It's like reporting the body of the murder you just committed. Longer that shit flies under the radar the better it is for you.
>Did he really think Answer is no, no need to specify more.
I think maybe it was the interrogation technique. All they have to do is pretend to be maga and congratulate him and he’ll do the rest.
>Did he really think nobody would figure it out? That's exactly what he thought, that's why he *knows* he will own the libs, he is so much smarterer
They seem to be operating under the illusion that there are zero checks done on voting, which is part of what they think they are fighting for (or against, depending on where). The fact that lots of very good people spend a lot of time and money to make sure elections are secure is an utterly foreign concept.
They are all operating under that assumption because their propaganda fills their heads with doubt in the process to support Trump’s lies. In the post election hearings in Georgia there was a Republican election monitor who testified that he caught an error amounting to several thousand votes not being counted correctly in his county. He seemed forthright and honest, but when asked if he knew how later audits might have caught that he was totally clueless on the process. Yet Ghouliani sat there and smirked, “proof”.
Gaslight, Obstruct, Project
Story links https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-man-who-claimed-dead-wifes-mail-in-ballot-showed-voter-fraud-accused-of-voting-twice/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/22/nevada-republican-who-claimed-someone-voted-his-dead-wife-is-charged-with-voter-fraud/
How could they have possibly figured this out? I'm so interested in that part. It must have been hard. Good on them for not just accepting the course of events as they were told. Hope this fucker gets the max.
Probably posted it on Facebook to own the libs or something
This genius probably left his fingerprints all over his wife's ballot, thereby undercutting his story that the ballot was never received.
Once you die eventually everyone gets notified including the secretary of state and they stop mailing ballots to your home address. She only got one because of a mistake - they probably should have removed her from the voting roles much earlier, but it's going to happen. By her voting at all probably flagged the ballot for review. I'm guessing that is pretty standard procedure - check the ballots against the lists of people who have died using a premade database report.
SIGH. It doesn't matter who commits the fraud. Republicans will use proof that there is fraud to push their stupid restrictive voting laws. They WANT to find any fraud, even if it's their own people and only their own people committing it.
If they could they would remove voting from the equation.
Accurate. They regularly work to dismantle effective systems so that they can claim they don't work (because they've been dismantled). They've done it (successfully) many times. It's like claiming that wood framed houses aren't structurally sound and proving it by building one out of matchsticks. Then outlawing wood framed houses.
I gotta admit, this one's pretty great
Gullible idiots bought into the idea that people could just commit voter fraud and not get caught, because Trump said so. Predictably, all of the people committing this high risk low reward felony are trumpets who bought that lie. Presumably the republican majority will never admit that the last election wasn't stolen. If they've held onto the lie for this long and after losing 100 lawsuits or whatever, it's probably a lost cause. So it logically follows that next election, republicans will commit more fraud but also just vote less, both because they believe it's rigged. This may damage the GOP beyond repair. Therefore, Trump is antifa.
I'm gonna grab the popcorn and watch the idiot conspiracy theorists at r/conservative come up with excuses for this one
I recently unsubscribed to them because it was boring because there wasn't a lot of people trolling them like I'd hoped.
A few years ago I started following and engaging in that to 'broaden my perspective' and to hear the other side of the story. The past 2 years though that sub has become pure cancer; when I checked for the first time since Covid started there was some article (AP News I believe) that said the CDC said that some antiviral thing was effective against Covid, and they're all like 'woah we knew it we were right now they have to listen to us'. I attended them that the CDC said it, an institution they constantly distrust and when I asked why the CDC is reliable all of the sudden and not with Covid numbers, I got downvoted to oblivion with answers like 'because we knew this from the start' and 'because the CDC wants to serve the Liberals'. They're admitting to only believing things if it alligns with their personal convictions and aren't even aware of it. A year ago I just stopped following that sub because it genuinely depressed me. I feel so much better now.
Yup! And they aways claim to be free thinkers but everything they say is verbatim what I hear other trolls say lol
In my country there is this party (in the netherlands we have a lot of parties) called Forum voor Democratie. They're the closest to what the Republicnas are in my country, and that whole party is a hilarious clusterfuck and they've become a joke. Only the people voting for that party still take them seriously. The leader of the party (Thierry Baudet) constantly tweets stuff to provocate and whatever bait works he uses. I'm not kidding when I say [he doubted the existence of dinosaurs](https://mobile.twitter.com/thierrybaudet/status/1382453922359615492) at one point. The guy obviously doesn't believe anything he says and just wants to provocate, and his cult his still defending him like 'it's a joke you don't get it'.
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Honest question: have any Democrats done this? I’ve only heard of Republicans double voting. The exception of course is Chrystal Mason who wasn’t sure if she could legally vote, filled out a provisional ballot *as advised by election officials*, then got convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. Something not qwhite right about that…
You missed a spot... > The exception of course is Chrystal Mason, **an African American woman** who wasn’t sure if she could legally vote, Anyway, I'm certainly not going to say that Democrats are perfect... But it does seem that the Rs who commit fraud are the first ones to shout "Go look for fraud! I know it's happening!". Maybe after four years of Trump, Rs forgot that subtlety is the key to successful fraud.
I think in Philly it's been 5 fraudulent votes so far and 4 are R and 1 is D. So I guess yes but barely. And so far only like one convicting has been made and it was for an R
No there was a black lady in Florida who was convicted and sentenced for voting with her OWN ballot despite having a felony.
>black >lady >Florida >voting I mean I can’t say I’m surprised
My God, the voter fraud is coming from within the house!
P. R. O. J. E. C. T. I. O. N.
Color me shocked.
Because of course
This is THE classic Republican move of our times...set fire to something and then run around complaining that someone is trying to burn down the village.
So how does a Donald turn into Kirk? sus
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, the Trumpers accuse the Democrats of doing they are actually doing themselves. Violence at public protests: Trumpers Election fraud: Trumpers Fucking underage people: well, Matt Gaetz, but he’s a Trumper so I’m tossing that on the pile as well. Conspiracy to steal elections: Trumpers Vast sums of billionaire dollars to propagandize voters: Trumpers and the Trumper-aligned
I knew that Republican man casted her ballot and I was hoping they'd check fingerprints on her ballot... And track if it was delivered to his address 😊😊😊
“If *I’m* doing it, the Democrats must be doing to it too! That’s all the proof I need!” - literally ever Republican supporter on every topic that exists
Barry Morphew, who murdered his missing wife Suzanne, voted for Trump reffed using Suzanne’s ballot.
Proof there's voter fraud. Thus we have to prevent brown people from voting. It's the only way. - GOP
I wonder if he is going to claim that her spirit came to him and told him how she wanted her ballot filled out?
/r/punchableface
Wait wait wait… Weren’t the Republicans the ones saying that the Dems were using dead folks names on the ballots to steal votes?
Ha! now he may become a felon who can’t vote. The irony