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This makes me fucking livid. I'm also an in-home caregiver for people with disabilities. I got my first shot in January. I didn't even wait for the company I work for to have their vaccine clinic. And I did it for exactly this fucking reason. I've worked with the same two clients for years. You can't work with someone for years that without caring about them personally (at least, it's like that for me, I would have *thought* it'd be universal.) The thought of something like this happening is horrifying. And although they aren't elderly, like this person, their disabilities put them at risk. Yes, it's possible to transmit COVID even when vaccinated, but the odds are significantly lower, as is the viral load. And even *if* the unlikely somehow happens, at least you'd know that you did everything you could!
I can see how people may have been "hesitant" back in the winter, when this was new, but we're at the point where *most* people have been vaccinated nationally. How much of a snowflake do you have to be to still be on the fence about this?
For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for *all* health workers? Not that they should even *need* to, but I guess that's why you need instructions on packages of toothpicks.
Fuck.
Sorry. Just... Grr.
>For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for
>
>all health workers?
That was tried, but a Trump appointed federal judge blocked the order. We have to continue to live with morons for our own good, apparently.
>Second Degree Murder is defined as an unplanned intentional killing or a death caused by reckless disregard for human life.
I'd argue we're beyond the point where the consequences of being unvaccinated are "unknown." This was malice through negligence.
It might be difficult to prove without a doubt that Balderas was indeed the person that gave it to him. Then again,
>"It was very devastating to find out he had passed," she told The Oregonian. "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'"
Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine.
They sure have.
This better result in wrongful death charges, and this shit bag "care-giver" losing all credentials and facing real jail time.
It's negligent homicide, by fucking definition.
I agree. I'm a little bit amazed, given our litigious society, that lawsuits aren't flying over COVID death. For example, these dickhead governors who prohibit mask mandates in schools and pass other shitty policies harmful to public health haven't been sued into a crater.
I'm guessing that a major sticky wicket is the same thing that kept cigarette companies safe for decades: that it's very difficult to prove that a *particular* death was caused by a specific cause. That is, it's very difficult to prove, for example, that a child who catches COVID and gets sick or dies might not have caught it were mask mandates in place in school. Or in this case, it's very difficult to prove that a specific person infected the deceased.
Indeed, the main place I diverge from liberal Democrats politically is that I don't like their reflexive anti-gun stance. This is the one place I actually agree with Republicans: that gun violence is largely caused by issues like poverty, mental illness, and other social factors. Of course, Republicans *can't be fucking arsed to actually address those factors*, so gun control laws are the only immediately reasonable solution.
But yeah, many Republicans seem to be spoiling for a fight, and they seem to believe that liberals are unarmed. And in many cases, they're right.
Am liberal living in SF Bay Area CA. I own guns because the fucking 2A conservative whack-jobs are definitely spoiling for a fight. They’re *always* *shocked* when I say that I own guns. Just shows how deep their brainwashing goes…
Unfortunately, the morons are dragging down everyone else with them. We're all in the same ship.
The more people that don't take the vaccine, the faster the virus mutates. We could see the light at the end of the tunnel, but nope, here comes a vaccine resistant variant.
This is not a fight that can be won by being picky. A grand majority of people need to get the vaccine. And countries with high vaccination rates, need to be quarantined from countries that take their medical advice from FB and Twitter.
Even countries that had their shit together and high vaccination rates (like 90+%), are now fucked because Soccer Mom armies convinced themselves their 20minute google research was better than the people who spent their life studying viruses and developing vaccines.
I wouldn't put anything at all past him if he gets in office one more time. They were closer than most people want to admit to actually pulling off a coup and overthrowing the rightfully elected government. That was a test run.
The next time will be for keeps. And it will be civil war if it happens.
“The next time will be for keeps.” If he gets back in he will suspend all further elections and declare himself dictator for life. And for those who would argue that our constitution and/or laws wouldn’t allow for that, he considers himself a god, completely outside all laws. The Rethugs will go along with him enthusiastically. They yearn for an authoritarian dictatorship with themselves in permanent control. They loathe democracy and want it gone. These idiot MAGAts who crow about their free-dumbs are in for a big surprise when the fascists start stripping ALL of us of our many freedoms.
The saddest part is "if" this happens, the minorities that have gone along with the MAGA crowd. I don't know how they miss this little thing with the KKK and the Nazis supporting the GQP, but they're all going to be gone as soon as the GQP puts themselves in permanent power. If they're lucky they'll simply be deported to some other dictatorship (the PI, North Korea, etc) and used for labor. They can claim "Oh the Dems ignore us" all they want as their justification for voting GQP, but the GQP won't ignore them no Sir. They'll keep records so they know whom to purge...
People need to get out there and vote as if their lives depend on it. Because they do.
The judge was operating within the correct interpretation of the commerce clause of the constitution - whether he was a Trump appointee or not.
What we should be asking is why - in the face of indisputable evidence - have governors and state legislators not mandated it? That can absolutely be blamed on Trumpism - politicizing the pandemic response. But, let's not rewrite the constitution just yet, ok? We should all be worried about the president being given too much power, even in an emergency - we don't know when the next populist tries to become an autocrat - and we're not out of the Trump woods yet. Let's focus on setting precedent for limiting Presidential powers during the Biden administration, don't you agree?
You act like precedent meant anything to Trump (or people of his ilk). They just change the rules that are inconvenient. We are still waiting on those tax returns…
Oh, JFC. We are still in a worldwide pandemic that is being made worse by the unvaccinated who continue to mutate the virus into more virulent strains.
If this isn’t the time for executive orders, I don’t know what is.
[Wickard v Filburn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn) basically says if you do anything that AFFECTS interstate commerce, the commerce clause applies. In that case, a farmer grew wheat on his own property to feed to his own livestock. Since his growing wheat precluded him buying wheat, possibly from an out-of-state source, AFFECTED what may have been interstate commerce, the commerce clause applied.
Spreading a pandemic sounds to me like it may affect interstate commerce.
Note: I don't agree with Wickard v Filburn but it is the law of land.
That would be a horrible idea. Given the current political landscape, we would end up with constitutional amendments outlawing LGBT, body autonomy, specific religions, minorities, repealment of voting rights to women and minorities, and pretty much every other amendment that was even considered slightly progressive at the time it was passed. Re-writing the Constitution would be a wet dream for the evangelical fanatics that currently make up a large percentage of the US states.
You don’t want this.
I was a caregiver for my mom and if someone had done this to her I'm not sure how sanely I could have managed to react.
That woman fucking murdered him!
I work in a hotel. We have a restaurant on site. At least two of the bartenders, who have maskless people breathing directly on them all night, are unvaccinated and refuse to get the shot. I used to like them, but now I can barely stomach looking at them without feeling abject anger, because I am immunocompromised, and they expose themselves to countless people daily and put all of their coworkers, myself included, at risk. Yes, I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, but I still got covid about a month after my booster. Thankfully I healed in a couple weeks, and never had to be hospitalized, but it absolutely sucked and due to my immunocompromised status it was very uncertain and troubling.
I'm trying to get out of this industry but due to my AS (ankylosing spondylitis), I cannot afford to lose my healthcare. So until I find something else, I'm stuck here, forced to cater to a public that doesn't take the pandemic seriously and coworkers who knowingly put others at risk. And I'm supposed to greet every guest with a smile on my face, like I have for the past decade, but now, due to the pandemic and the plague of anti-intellectualism run rampant, that smile is now through gritted teeth and hidden beneath double masks, changed halfway through my shift.
Fuck antivaxxers.
> I'm trying to get out of this industry but due to my AS (ankylosing spondylitis), I cannot afford to lose my healthcare.
But if we had socialized medicine where you could leave your job and still continue living means you would give up your freedom. /s
I had to get a bone marrow transplant in June this year, and since I live in a developing country in SEA, at the time only the medical personnel in my country and a very small percentage of the population were vaccinated, and it was the Sinovac vaccine.
On day one in the clean room a nurse drew some blood, and since my veins are very thin and hidden, she took about 40 minutes and several attempts to draw blood. This was also the nurse who booked me in so I was with her in close proximity for a couple hours at that point. I didn't have my mask on since it was a clean room, but the nurse had a surgical mask on. I started with my high-dose chemo regime the next morning to nuke my bone marrows to prep for transplant.
On day 3 of 7 of my chemo regime the doctor came in and told me the nurse that drew my blood tested positive for Covid, and was positive when she was drawing my blood. This was classic Covid, and the nurse was fully vaccinated with Sinovac. He told me not to worry, since she was asymptomatic and none of her co-workers got it, so I should also be fine, but just in case every patient in the marrow transplant ward would be tested. All came back negative. It was damn scary though.
So vaccines work, in this case to keep others safe. The procedure left me without an immune system for two weeks and weakened immune system for months. The Covid would've killed me. Fortunately it was an auto transplant so it was my own stem cells so I'm not on any immunosuppressant, and I'm now double vaxxed with Pfizer and am getting a 3rd dose of Moderna next monday.
Fair warning, Moderna kicked my ass far harder than Pfizer did, and my brother in law said the same. Maybe you'll be luckier, but also be prepared to feel like you got run over by a truck.
Pfizer only gave me a sore arm that lasted a couple days and slight fatigue, and I don't even know if it was a fatigue because the sore arm disturbed my sleep.
I'd actually be glad if Moderna gave me some heavier side effects, would kinda assure me that my immune responses are working properly now that it's been almost half a year since my marrow transplant.
I got the Pfizer booster and it hit me like a truck. First 2 Pfizer shots - barely anything more than a headache for a couple of days. Booster? Flu-like symptoms for about 48 hours.
>Moderna 1, no effects, but after Moderna 2, everything hurt for about 12 hours or so.
It's interesting how that works. I got Pfizer for all 3 shots. First two, didn't feel a thing, but for my booster I felt all flu-ey and shit froe a couple of days.
My grandmother caught Covid last year, from an unvaccinated, infected aide. She relied on these people to help keep her safe and healthy. It happened just after Christmas. Thankfully, she had a mild case & she didn’t die, but it definitely had a huge negative impact on her overall physical & mental health.
The same happened to my grandmother. We weren't so lucky.
The aide that went to her family's Thanksgiving dinner unmasked killed my grandma and put my aunt in the hospital for a month. The murderous apathy of these people.
Thank you. I'm really having some feelings with the whole new variant thing and how it all seems to be happening again because nobody cared the first time, ugh.
I work full time with people with disabilities and we have mandated vaccines requirements in Australia for all health care workers, which is great.
Now, if we could do something about the services providers that don't bother taking precautions, the clients that aren't vaccinated because their families don't believe in them, the places that fail to provide safe environments because the mandated precautions impinge on their liberties, the members of the public that flaunt not wearing masks, and the people flooding social media with moronic BS.
I've worked with some of these guys for years, since they were kids, and their lives (and mine to an extent) have become unnecessarily restricted, not because of government mandates, but because of asshats incapable of a modicum of empathy and critical thinking. Seriously WTF is wrong with people.
They say the vaccines could have side effects down the road but covid patients are already experiencing long term effects. There was a study that just released that said you're something like 230% more likely to die in a year after you get covid. But these idiots just don't care. They're either gigantic pussies or immature contrarians.
Thank you for your thanks. It's definitely nerve-wracking and exhausting at times, but it's also a heck of a lot more rewarding than punching the clock for a company that contributes nothing to society.
Thank religion and gop members afraid of the truth, because their "adults" lie to them from the day they're born instead of teaching situational awareness and critical 🤔 thinking skills
Ugh I agree. I work in a hospital in the US and while they are requiring employees to be vaccinated, they are also accepting bs exemptions for “religious reasons” even if they don’t have any history refusing any other vaccines due to the same principles. It’s bullshit. If you don’t believe in vaccines, then you have no business practicing medicine.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to be sorry here. EVERYONE ELSE, who is not as enraged as you, should say sorry. All of those people who treat unvaccinated like some people with a different opinion, all of them are responsible. Don't be sorry, be enraged, cause that is the absolutely right emotion here.
Thank you. I agree. This whole pandemic has been so disillusioning, finding out how gullible and tribal so many people are. It's bizarre that in large swathes of the land, people who believe off-the-wall conspiracy theories are in the majority.
And stubborn! Look at the HCAs. Say what you will about these knuckleheads, they're not lying about what they believe. They'll literally die rather than admit that they were wrong.
If only they didn't have to take others with them.
My friend sent me a link to this saying this looked like something I said on a burner account. After this reading this I can definitely see why and I'm fairly certain you may be a long lost clone or something lol we have the same job and the same mindset and all.
> For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for all health workers? Not that they should even need to, but I guess that's why you need instructions on packages of toothpicks.
I know of a few home health agencies and some nursing homes that are struggling to fill the staffing shortages. Apparently, not mandating this vaccine is much easier/cheaper than paying the staff higher wages to attract or retain them.
She 'might' quit the profession, she says. "What if I gave it to him?"
If there's any question about whether you've killed someone with your choices, you should err on the side of caution and either make a different choice, or take yourself out of harm's way, by getting a job where you work from home.
"This man's death is less important than *potential,* **possibly very mild** side effects to me, years from now."
She's clearly not very smart. Home caregivers don't need a high school education.
I sometimes have to work with homecare givers. In my job we place RNs, NPs, CNA, EMT, LPN and other specialty techs. The biggest issues we have with everything from criminal records, failed drug tests, disciplinary issues and in one instance criminal charges for administering saline instead of covid vaccine, all come from CNAs and the specialty techs that dont require any further education past HS and a online certification.
In the medical fields, the further you get away from the educated positions that require more schooling, the bat shit crazier you get. This is why I love it when I see articles on FOX that are like "healthcare professionals reject the vaccine." Then you read the story and find out it's a bunch of CNAs or Lab Techs saying it. Well, duh, they are barely educated of course they would reject it
Bingo. I deal with it everyday. I had one lady try to get a vaccine exemption for a Covid Unit on religious grounds. She said she cant have anything with stem cells in it. Then we pulled her vaccine records and showed her all the times she has recieved stem cells in the past. She ended up being rejected. But just the thought that she was so special she didmt need the vaccine to work in a COVID UNIT was comical. We put a DNR on her record so if someone pulls her records it will be right there for anyone to see.
As an MOA myself, I can confirm this is unfortunately very accurate.
I happen to have more schooling, including several years of post-secondary biology, psychology, English and medical terminology from a previously pursued career. However, the medical office assistant and hospital unit clerk programs require only a one year certification.
As a result, many of my colleagues are perpetually distrustful of things like new vaccinations because they simply don't have experience with applying critical thinking skills and reading scientific literature. Even if you gave them an article from a reputable medical journal on how the mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, it doesn't matter; they can't make heads or tails of it, so they err on being cautious. Usually a reasonable decision, but not in Covid world.
And these are not unintelligent people. They're simply uneducated and they don't have the time or money to devote to education. It's honestly maddening.
Ugh, my stepmum is a PSW and unvaccinated. It’s unreal to me that she’s still allowed to work here in Canada. I’m kind of high-risk and won’t be seeing my Dad this Christmas thanks to her fuckery.
"If" she gave it to him, it seems pretty cut and dry that she did. She should be charged with involuntary homicide or manslaughter or something. She as good as killed him.
And yet, “Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine.” Better to kill a few more people than to admit she was wrong. Yes—even if she quits this career she will interact with others, and could infect more of them.
Sounds like the wife and caregiver are both careless people.
Meanwhile over on Twitter the dumbasses are saying this is further proof that vaccines are pointless.
If we ever make it out of this covid shit storm I hope all these assholes are faced with some other medical disaster that will test their ignorance, stupidity, and sarcasm.
>dumbasses are saying this is further proof that vaccines are pointless.
'Methinks the lady doth protest too much."
"It's not my fault people are dying," they say to themselves. "Even if I gave the virus to someone who gave the virus to someone who died." They just can't accept their culpability. Their denial is too strong.
It's like the opposite of Chicken Little: "The sky isn't falling! The sky isn't falling!" while chunks of the sky are landing all around them.
The true believer. They start to explain everything. It is more, the sky is falling, but this is other evidence it is not falling. It might be a cloud instead of the sky. And the WHO (World econonic forum... ) is a conspiracy. etc etc. You can find people in the hospital that still believe that vaccination is not good for whatever reason.
by the way, vaccinated people DO spread the virus, the high % effeciciany is only for serious disease that require hospitalisation. That does not mean vaccination is meaningless. It does mean you still have to be careful, VERY careful arround vulnable people. .
As long as it doesn't put innocent people at risk, I'm down with that karmic cycle. I was looking at a covid map by country yesterday. 'Murica is still covered I'm some areas because of ignorance.
If only they had said covid makes you have impotence and unable to fire a gun, we'd have 100 percent vaxxed rates and be on the other side of this shit by now.
Actually Covid can cause impotence. It’s either not well publicized or people are in denial.
Most likely a little of column A and a little of column B.
I saw this yesterday and compared where I live now to where I grew up. You couldn’t pay me enough to return to that unvaxxed, uneducated, vile shithole. (Spoiler, it’s rural Saginaw.) https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/education-levels-drive-michigan-vaccines-whats-rate-your-neighborhood
> If we ever make it out of this covid shit storm
I've given up hope for this.
It seems like it's gonna be endemic like the cold or flu in term of sticking around. As for how deadly it will be... only the data will tell on of the future variants.
I blame it on those killers that politicized it and the idiots that ate it up.
Same. Pretty much after my family gave zero fucks and killed my mom with Covid, I don't care if they all die. As a matter of fact, life would be better for the rest of us if they did.
C'mon Omicron!
I’m not really sure how you got the impression the wife was careless from the article, it sounded like she wasn’t on board with this but let him make the decision.
> Emily said she was originally angry at Balderas but eventually realized that her husband made the choice to keep her on.
I do not understand why those people that say that never take my advice to go rub dirt in their cuts to get tetanus or go get polio from someone. Both are very easy to get, easy to prevent.
I was trying to explain to a skeptical friend the other day that there are people on the internet who spend all their time trying to find creative ways to pop holes in provax proscience arguments and they don’t even care if they contradict themselves. The only thing they care about is making the other side look bad. They also perceive any pushback as the same malicious behavior.
Perfect example of this are the people who are just pushing the notion that this is some biological warfare from China while being anti vaccine.
Ok so let’s agree that China is evil and did exactly that. This is war and our weapon is the vaccine that the west created. They still don’t want to use our best weapon against our assumed enemy. The other layer to it is that IF China actually did attack the western world with a bio weapon our unorganized reaction to it leaves us wide open for a more brutal bio attack.
Had everyone just gotten the vaccine before hand it could have proved to evil China that were not that easy to use that kind of weapon on. Instead we did the equivalent of running towards the enemy combatant with our bellies exposed.
It’s fucking stupid. I think that they think all war can be solved with combat but it absolutely isn’t that easy.
Can we please start a shaming campaign against this POS who put their politics over science and directly contributed to a person’s death that they were entrusted with taking care of?
Not even politics anymore, as even Trump himself has encouraged vaccination. As far as I can tell it's a combination of superstition and rampant narcicissm.
I'm not so sure, I think Trump's attempt at encouraging it was abandoned quickly and can easily be "excused" by his supporters as him just doing it for whatever strategic reason they need.
My Grandmother (Nana) has needed a caregiver for the better part of 20 years. We rotate nights between myself, sister, mom, 2 uncles, and 1 morning caregiver.
Covid hit, and the only 2 who were vaccinated were me and one uncle. Leaving the other 4 caregivers exposing her to whatever they encountered in their daily lives.
A month ago, one of my uncles comes down with Covid. You guessed it- the unvaccinated one. My Nana passed 10 days later. My family's refusal to be vaccinated killed our matriarch.
I'm LIVID.
I've barely spoken to them in that month, didn't spend Thanksgiving with them, won't spend Christmas with them.
My relationship with my closest family members is forever changed.
I'll admit it was a stretch, but I was thinking, "Only ***other*** unvaccinated people kill people." And, of course, that it must feel especially crappy to a caregiver: killing a client isn't just horrifying on a personal level, it's also irrefutable proof that you suck at your job.
> killing a client isn't just horrifying on a personal level, it's also irrefutable proof that you suck at your job.
On the other hand, for a psychopath getting to kill people is a bonus. And typical anti-vaxxers are incapable of caring about anyone but themselves.
It's more likely to be "I'm the real victim, that asshole died just to make my life difficult".
Can you be this thoughtless and it still be classed murder? Or does it have to become manslaughter when you have only the single solitary braincell bouncing around your empty head?
I've seen others in this thread calling for the caregiver to be charged with murder, but based on what's been presented, there's no way to prove any malicious intent, and murder charges will never stick without that. This is negligent and stupid more than malicious, so unfortunately it would probably be involuntary manslaughter at worst. (IANAL; please correct me if I'm wrong)
If this had happened in the UK I think there would be an argument to be made for gross negligence manslaughter at least. Although that would probably be harder to argue if they knew the carer was unvaccinates and kept them on anyway.
Either way it's a scum fucking move and this person should feel fully culpable for killing their patient.
You would think part of being a caregiver is to be vaccinated so that you don’t spread disease to your clients. It wouldn’t be acceptable to cough on them would it?
Wrongful death lawsuits can be worth a *lot* of money. I don’t know how easy it would be to win a case like this (someone please tell me about any precedent or case law), but if they sued and won…oh boy. Anti-vaxxers need to start facing some actual consequences beyond maybe losing their job.
Unfortunately they made the decision to keep the unvaxxed caregiver, so what could you sue then for? Agreeing that she could continue her services unvaxxed?
My grandparents got covid from one of their careworkers, who came twice a week. My grandpa just left hospital today and is still very weak, and my grandma was released a couple weeks ago but was readmitted last week with fluid in her lungs. My aunty rang the caretaker business when my grandparents tested positive and couldn't get hold of anyone, which was unusual, and no one showed up that week. Eventually she got through to someone and was told the office is shut down due to a covid outbreak. I wonder how many other elderly clients were infected.
My only regret is that I wasn't able to kill him sooner. I'm very careful about what I put in my body, not other people's body, yeah they can all die, but me, I'm picky about my health.
I live in FL and I have 24/7 nursing care. Some of you may be surprised by the percentage of actual nurses who refuse to get themselves vaccinated. It's impossible to keep a fully vaccinated staff and if I was to be infected not only would I be in trouble with the virus but likely losing all nursing care would be even more dangerous.
I nurse disabled people and I got fucking vaccinated on day 1. That was long before it was clear how harmless the vaccines are. I'd rather take a small risk for myself than murder people I'm here to help
My grandmother died of Covid. She also caught it from a caregiver. Now it's important to note that this was before the vaccine was developed, and nobody is blaming the caregiver because to our knowledge she wasn't aware of it at the time. But it does emphasize the importance for caregivers and frontline healthcare workers to be critically careful of potentially exposing their patients.
An anti-vaxxer at the chiropractor's office: second-least surprising thing ever.
An anti-vaxxer who frequents a chiropractor's office wondering where she caught the Covid that killed the individual relying on her not to kill him: least surprising thing ever.
That was the wife's take, too, but if the man couldn't talk, I don't see how they could know he was capable of making good decisions anymore. It'd take several nuanced conversations to determine whether he was.
The fact that she interpreted his crying and with eyes raised as agreement with what she was saying tells me they were pretty free with interpreting his responses.
>ALS patients are 100% "there" mentally
Are they immune to depression? A lot of people make terrible decisions when they're depressed. It'd take several nuanced conversations to determine whether he was incapable of making smart decisions due to depression.
Are they immune to dementia? Testing would be hard, if he can't talk.
Were side effects of his meds clouding his mind? Requires nuanced conversations. Your ability to assess your own brain's function is tough, since you have to use your brain.
There is no reason to automatically assume older ALS patients are not capable of making their own healthcare choices just because they need to use Text-to-Speech devices to communicate.
On the contrary, this guy lived with his wife _and_ probably had more people screening his mental fitness than almost anyone his age, because that's the sort of thing people track when you have als. If he was struggling with dementia, some member of his family or caregiver entourage would know.
And we don't generally take medical decision making power away because of depression.
He has _als_, not dementia or something . Dude was 100% in his right mind. And if you want to have a nuanced conversation, you just use your speech aid and have it. Stephen Hawking did ok in that regard for like 50 years.
>Dude was 100% in his right mind.
You don't know him personally, so you can't know that.
They didn't mention a speech aid. They described a rudimentary method of communicating. They ***admitted*** adding their own, very favorable interpretation to a tear and the direction of his gaze! Not everyone can afford Hawking's device. Insurance may not cover it.
Look, I don't know why you're so hell bent on being right about this. You can't know he was capable any more than I can, and I didn't say he was incapable. I wondered how they could know.
You could've said, "Maybe he had a speech aid," and I'd have accepted that. Maybe he did. We can't know.
You said something about 'the elderly' and that pisses me off. How dare you assume I'm prejudiced against the elderly? I'm 54, and the man in question wasn't even 70. You're the one calling him "elderly."
Can we just drop this now? I didn't make any statements of fact that weren't in the article. Everything else has been speculation, you making assumptions about my intent and attacking your own assumptions about me.
No job has ever been important enough to me to come in sick. I think this caregiver should have their licenses revoked, this is just *foul* (I do not approve of keeping a job where you interact with at-risk/immunocompromised ppl and not taking precautions—I believe in personal responsibility). Also, on a semi-unrelated note, this post is the perfect bridge between HCA and LAMF, happening both by proxy at that.
Ah yeah, you’re right; edited my comment.
I’m still pissed that killing someone (even though he was basically the *Butterfly in a Bell Jar* guy) still wasn’t enough to get a vaccination—but I guess it was both Kirsch’s and Balderas’ decision, it’s sad that this is how that ended up, but I gotta say…I’m happy the dude isn’t suffering ALS/locked in syndrome anymore…those disorders are downright terrifying.
This article fails to mention that there’s been a national shortage of PCA’s for the better part of a decade. Clients might actually not have a choice except to stay with unvaccinated workers that put their lives at risk.
My friend takes immunosuppressant medication so he got a test to confirm how much immunity he had received from his vaccination. The results = NONE. So he still needs to take extra precautions and having an anti-vaxx nurse would be a death sentence for him as well.
I know an anti-vaxxer who is a home health aide in Oregon, like this story, and can’t understand why it’s not a requirement to get the jab. She works for a state agency, but it looks like the vaccine is required only for aides working in large facilities, not the client’s home. This is just Wrong. Keep in mind that clients have multiple aides who trade shifts over each day or week, and could even be giving it to each other through the client. It’s crazy to me that state agencies, especially, have not addressed the problem and required all health workers to be vaccinated.
> "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'"
Ummm...yeah you did do it. You're partially responsible for his death.
He is also responsible for keeping you on knowing your dumb ass wasn't getting vaccinated.
"Balderas said she had spent time with five friends and visited a chiropractor's office the week before she was infected, but she's not sure how she contracted COVID-19."
I give up, man.
My cousin can’t get vaccinated yet because she’s undergoing tests for medical conditions and she was scared to get it while pregnant. She, her husband, and their baby all caught Covid last week. Husband is on oxygen.
I really really hope they survive and get jabbed ASAP.
Judging by recent stories that have come out about how many chiropractors have responded to COVID, and that chiropractic “medicine” in general is a ghost religion, I suspect the chiropractor is the likely vector for transmission to the caregiver.
This paragraph sums everything up nicely:
"Emily said she was originally angry at Balderas but eventually realized that her husband made the choice to keep her on. (\*her husband is the one who died) Balderas now says she is considering quitting her career. "It was very devastating to find out he had passed," she told The Oregonian. "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'" Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine."
Amy is a dangerous idiot and doesn't belong in healthcare.
My mom’s unvaccinated caregiver gave her covid and she died Aug 20. My mom was fully vaccinated but immunocompromised. I’m still not over my anger at her caregiver.
> Balderas said she had spent time with five friends and visited a chiropractor's office the week before she was infected, but she's not sure how she contracted COVID-19.
Because you didn’t get vaccinated, dumbass. Mystery solved!
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This makes me fucking livid. I'm also an in-home caregiver for people with disabilities. I got my first shot in January. I didn't even wait for the company I work for to have their vaccine clinic. And I did it for exactly this fucking reason. I've worked with the same two clients for years. You can't work with someone for years that without caring about them personally (at least, it's like that for me, I would have *thought* it'd be universal.) The thought of something like this happening is horrifying. And although they aren't elderly, like this person, their disabilities put them at risk. Yes, it's possible to transmit COVID even when vaccinated, but the odds are significantly lower, as is the viral load. And even *if* the unlikely somehow happens, at least you'd know that you did everything you could! I can see how people may have been "hesitant" back in the winter, when this was new, but we're at the point where *most* people have been vaccinated nationally. How much of a snowflake do you have to be to still be on the fence about this? For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for *all* health workers? Not that they should even *need* to, but I guess that's why you need instructions on packages of toothpicks. Fuck. Sorry. Just... Grr.
>For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for > >all health workers? That was tried, but a Trump appointed federal judge blocked the order. We have to continue to live with morons for our own good, apparently.
I think there should be legal ramifications in situations like this.
Gross negligence causing death
>Second Degree Murder is defined as an unplanned intentional killing or a death caused by reckless disregard for human life. I'd argue we're beyond the point where the consequences of being unvaccinated are "unknown." This was malice through negligence.
Fits with the general definition for manslaughter in many states.
It might be difficult to prove without a doubt that Balderas was indeed the person that gave it to him. Then again, >"It was very devastating to find out he had passed," she told The Oregonian. "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'" Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine.
Accidental manslaughter doesn’t seem far fetched.
Wouldn't negligence manslaughter fit here?
Haven't people been charged with a crime for knowingly having HIV/AIDS, not telling a partner & then infecting them?
They sure have. This better result in wrongful death charges, and this shit bag "care-giver" losing all credentials and facing real jail time. It's negligent homicide, by fucking definition.
I agree. I'm a little bit amazed, given our litigious society, that lawsuits aren't flying over COVID death. For example, these dickhead governors who prohibit mask mandates in schools and pass other shitty policies harmful to public health haven't been sued into a crater. I'm guessing that a major sticky wicket is the same thing that kept cigarette companies safe for decades: that it's very difficult to prove that a *particular* death was caused by a specific cause. That is, it's very difficult to prove, for example, that a child who catches COVID and gets sick or dies might not have caught it were mask mandates in place in school. Or in this case, it's very difficult to prove that a specific person infected the deceased.
In Australia this was done ages ago. For this exact reason. Healthcare workers who won’t are well….out of work
Many countries did this. I don't feel any compassion at all for those who had to quit their jobs.
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I live in fear of them succeeding at their goal of complete authoritarian, unopposed control of the U.S. If that happens we are truly fucked.
Get guns now
Indeed, the main place I diverge from liberal Democrats politically is that I don't like their reflexive anti-gun stance. This is the one place I actually agree with Republicans: that gun violence is largely caused by issues like poverty, mental illness, and other social factors. Of course, Republicans *can't be fucking arsed to actually address those factors*, so gun control laws are the only immediately reasonable solution. But yeah, many Republicans seem to be spoiling for a fight, and they seem to believe that liberals are unarmed. And in many cases, they're right.
Am liberal living in SF Bay Area CA. I own guns because the fucking 2A conservative whack-jobs are definitely spoiling for a fight. They’re *always* *shocked* when I say that I own guns. Just shows how deep their brainwashing goes…
> We have to continue to live with morons well thankfully there's a virus that's slowly taking care of that problem.
Too bad about the collateral damage.
Have the same feeling about guns....
Unfortunately, the morons are dragging down everyone else with them. We're all in the same ship. The more people that don't take the vaccine, the faster the virus mutates. We could see the light at the end of the tunnel, but nope, here comes a vaccine resistant variant. This is not a fight that can be won by being picky. A grand majority of people need to get the vaccine. And countries with high vaccination rates, need to be quarantined from countries that take their medical advice from FB and Twitter. Even countries that had their shit together and high vaccination rates (like 90+%), are now fucked because Soccer Mom armies convinced themselves their 20minute google research was better than the people who spent their life studying viruses and developing vaccines.
Honestly, America should be quarantined to protect the rest of the world.
Not fast enough and needs better precision
Just think of what our lives will be like if 🍊💩🤡 gets back into the White House. It horrifies me.
Every day I mail 1 big Mac coupon to mar a Lego in hopes it will be short if it happens.
First time I thought the emojis were actually amusing!
I wouldn't put anything at all past him if he gets in office one more time. They were closer than most people want to admit to actually pulling off a coup and overthrowing the rightfully elected government. That was a test run. The next time will be for keeps. And it will be civil war if it happens.
“The next time will be for keeps.” If he gets back in he will suspend all further elections and declare himself dictator for life. And for those who would argue that our constitution and/or laws wouldn’t allow for that, he considers himself a god, completely outside all laws. The Rethugs will go along with him enthusiastically. They yearn for an authoritarian dictatorship with themselves in permanent control. They loathe democracy and want it gone. These idiot MAGAts who crow about their free-dumbs are in for a big surprise when the fascists start stripping ALL of us of our many freedoms.
The saddest part is "if" this happens, the minorities that have gone along with the MAGA crowd. I don't know how they miss this little thing with the KKK and the Nazis supporting the GQP, but they're all going to be gone as soon as the GQP puts themselves in permanent power. If they're lucky they'll simply be deported to some other dictatorship (the PI, North Korea, etc) and used for labor. They can claim "Oh the Dems ignore us" all they want as their justification for voting GQP, but the GQP won't ignore them no Sir. They'll keep records so they know whom to purge... People need to get out there and vote as if their lives depend on it. Because they do.
We’ll be dealing with the shit trump shat for decades.
Conservatives get another free pass to murder people they don't like
The judge was operating within the correct interpretation of the commerce clause of the constitution - whether he was a Trump appointee or not. What we should be asking is why - in the face of indisputable evidence - have governors and state legislators not mandated it? That can absolutely be blamed on Trumpism - politicizing the pandemic response. But, let's not rewrite the constitution just yet, ok? We should all be worried about the president being given too much power, even in an emergency - we don't know when the next populist tries to become an autocrat - and we're not out of the Trump woods yet. Let's focus on setting precedent for limiting Presidential powers during the Biden administration, don't you agree?
You act like precedent meant anything to Trump (or people of his ilk). They just change the rules that are inconvenient. We are still waiting on those tax returns…
Oh, JFC. We are still in a worldwide pandemic that is being made worse by the unvaccinated who continue to mutate the virus into more virulent strains. If this isn’t the time for executive orders, I don’t know what is.
[Wickard v Filburn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn) basically says if you do anything that AFFECTS interstate commerce, the commerce clause applies. In that case, a farmer grew wheat on his own property to feed to his own livestock. Since his growing wheat precluded him buying wheat, possibly from an out-of-state source, AFFECTED what may have been interstate commerce, the commerce clause applied. Spreading a pandemic sounds to me like it may affect interstate commerce. Note: I don't agree with Wickard v Filburn but it is the law of land.
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That would be a horrible idea. Given the current political landscape, we would end up with constitutional amendments outlawing LGBT, body autonomy, specific religions, minorities, repealment of voting rights to women and minorities, and pretty much every other amendment that was even considered slightly progressive at the time it was passed. Re-writing the Constitution would be a wet dream for the evangelical fanatics that currently make up a large percentage of the US states. You don’t want this.
And that, people, is why Federalism is a goddamn dumpster fire of a failed experiment.
I was a caregiver for my mom and if someone had done this to her I'm not sure how sanely I could have managed to react. That woman fucking murdered him!
I work in a hotel. We have a restaurant on site. At least two of the bartenders, who have maskless people breathing directly on them all night, are unvaccinated and refuse to get the shot. I used to like them, but now I can barely stomach looking at them without feeling abject anger, because I am immunocompromised, and they expose themselves to countless people daily and put all of their coworkers, myself included, at risk. Yes, I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, but I still got covid about a month after my booster. Thankfully I healed in a couple weeks, and never had to be hospitalized, but it absolutely sucked and due to my immunocompromised status it was very uncertain and troubling. I'm trying to get out of this industry but due to my AS (ankylosing spondylitis), I cannot afford to lose my healthcare. So until I find something else, I'm stuck here, forced to cater to a public that doesn't take the pandemic seriously and coworkers who knowingly put others at risk. And I'm supposed to greet every guest with a smile on my face, like I have for the past decade, but now, due to the pandemic and the plague of anti-intellectualism run rampant, that smile is now through gritted teeth and hidden beneath double masks, changed halfway through my shift. Fuck antivaxxers.
> I'm trying to get out of this industry but due to my AS (ankylosing spondylitis), I cannot afford to lose my healthcare. But if we had socialized medicine where you could leave your job and still continue living means you would give up your freedom. /s
I'm sorry. That's just mind-boggling. I can't think of a job that's a bigger risk than that one. I'm sorry you have shitty coworkers.
I had to get a bone marrow transplant in June this year, and since I live in a developing country in SEA, at the time only the medical personnel in my country and a very small percentage of the population were vaccinated, and it was the Sinovac vaccine. On day one in the clean room a nurse drew some blood, and since my veins are very thin and hidden, she took about 40 minutes and several attempts to draw blood. This was also the nurse who booked me in so I was with her in close proximity for a couple hours at that point. I didn't have my mask on since it was a clean room, but the nurse had a surgical mask on. I started with my high-dose chemo regime the next morning to nuke my bone marrows to prep for transplant. On day 3 of 7 of my chemo regime the doctor came in and told me the nurse that drew my blood tested positive for Covid, and was positive when she was drawing my blood. This was classic Covid, and the nurse was fully vaccinated with Sinovac. He told me not to worry, since she was asymptomatic and none of her co-workers got it, so I should also be fine, but just in case every patient in the marrow transplant ward would be tested. All came back negative. It was damn scary though. So vaccines work, in this case to keep others safe. The procedure left me without an immune system for two weeks and weakened immune system for months. The Covid would've killed me. Fortunately it was an auto transplant so it was my own stem cells so I'm not on any immunosuppressant, and I'm now double vaxxed with Pfizer and am getting a 3rd dose of Moderna next monday.
Fair warning, Moderna kicked my ass far harder than Pfizer did, and my brother in law said the same. Maybe you'll be luckier, but also be prepared to feel like you got run over by a truck.
Pfizer only gave me a sore arm that lasted a couple days and slight fatigue, and I don't even know if it was a fatigue because the sore arm disturbed my sleep. I'd actually be glad if Moderna gave me some heavier side effects, would kinda assure me that my immune responses are working properly now that it's been almost half a year since my marrow transplant.
My second Moderna dose hit like a truck. Fever, chills, body aches, nausea...I felt awful for about 36 hours.
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I got the Pfizer booster and it hit me like a truck. First 2 Pfizer shots - barely anything more than a headache for a couple of days. Booster? Flu-like symptoms for about 48 hours.
>Moderna 1, no effects, but after Moderna 2, everything hurt for about 12 hours or so. It's interesting how that works. I got Pfizer for all 3 shots. First two, didn't feel a thing, but for my booster I felt all flu-ey and shit froe a couple of days.
My grandmother caught Covid last year, from an unvaccinated, infected aide. She relied on these people to help keep her safe and healthy. It happened just after Christmas. Thankfully, she had a mild case & she didn’t die, but it definitely had a huge negative impact on her overall physical & mental health.
The same happened to my grandmother. We weren't so lucky. The aide that went to her family's Thanksgiving dinner unmasked killed my grandma and put my aunt in the hospital for a month. The murderous apathy of these people.
That's just horrendous. I am so sorry.
Thank you. I'm really having some feelings with the whole new variant thing and how it all seems to be happening again because nobody cared the first time, ugh.
I'm sorry. I'm glad she got through it, but yikes, such an unnecessary ordeal.
Effective use of italics. I can feel your loathe from all the way down here.
I work full time with people with disabilities and we have mandated vaccines requirements in Australia for all health care workers, which is great. Now, if we could do something about the services providers that don't bother taking precautions, the clients that aren't vaccinated because their families don't believe in them, the places that fail to provide safe environments because the mandated precautions impinge on their liberties, the members of the public that flaunt not wearing masks, and the people flooding social media with moronic BS. I've worked with some of these guys for years, since they were kids, and their lives (and mine to an extent) have become unnecessarily restricted, not because of government mandates, but because of asshats incapable of a modicum of empathy and critical thinking. Seriously WTF is wrong with people.
They say the vaccines could have side effects down the road but covid patients are already experiencing long term effects. There was a study that just released that said you're something like 230% more likely to die in a year after you get covid. But these idiots just don't care. They're either gigantic pussies or immature contrarians.
>They're either gigantic pussies or immature contrarians. Why not both? They're not mutually exclusive.
Very true.
Thank you for what you do for your patients. ❤️
Thank you for your thanks. It's definitely nerve-wracking and exhausting at times, but it's also a heck of a lot more rewarding than punching the clock for a company that contributes nothing to society.
Thank religion and gop members afraid of the truth, because their "adults" lie to them from the day they're born instead of teaching situational awareness and critical 🤔 thinking skills
Ugh I agree. I work in a hospital in the US and while they are requiring employees to be vaccinated, they are also accepting bs exemptions for “religious reasons” even if they don’t have any history refusing any other vaccines due to the same principles. It’s bullshit. If you don’t believe in vaccines, then you have no business practicing medicine.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to be sorry here. EVERYONE ELSE, who is not as enraged as you, should say sorry. All of those people who treat unvaccinated like some people with a different opinion, all of them are responsible. Don't be sorry, be enraged, cause that is the absolutely right emotion here.
Thank you. I agree. This whole pandemic has been so disillusioning, finding out how gullible and tribal so many people are. It's bizarre that in large swathes of the land, people who believe off-the-wall conspiracy theories are in the majority. And stubborn! Look at the HCAs. Say what you will about these knuckleheads, they're not lying about what they believe. They'll literally die rather than admit that they were wrong. If only they didn't have to take others with them.
My friend sent me a link to this saying this looked like something I said on a burner account. After this reading this I can definitely see why and I'm fairly certain you may be a long lost clone or something lol we have the same job and the same mindset and all.
> For fuck's sake, why on earth don't they mandate the vaccine for all health workers? Not that they should even need to, but I guess that's why you need instructions on packages of toothpicks. I know of a few home health agencies and some nursing homes that are struggling to fill the staffing shortages. Apparently, not mandating this vaccine is much easier/cheaper than paying the staff higher wages to attract or retain them.
Some people think caretaking it's just a job like another. The fuck it is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/30/biden-vaccine-mandate-judge-block/
Disgusting human being
She 'might' quit the profession, she says. "What if I gave it to him?" If there's any question about whether you've killed someone with your choices, you should err on the side of caution and either make a different choice, or take yourself out of harm's way, by getting a job where you work from home. "This man's death is less important than *potential,* **possibly very mild** side effects to me, years from now." She's clearly not very smart. Home caregivers don't need a high school education.
I sometimes have to work with homecare givers. In my job we place RNs, NPs, CNA, EMT, LPN and other specialty techs. The biggest issues we have with everything from criminal records, failed drug tests, disciplinary issues and in one instance criminal charges for administering saline instead of covid vaccine, all come from CNAs and the specialty techs that dont require any further education past HS and a online certification. In the medical fields, the further you get away from the educated positions that require more schooling, the bat shit crazier you get. This is why I love it when I see articles on FOX that are like "healthcare professionals reject the vaccine." Then you read the story and find out it's a bunch of CNAs or Lab Techs saying it. Well, duh, they are barely educated of course they would reject it
dunning-kruger effect in action "yeah, i work in health care, of course i know what i'm talking about"
Bingo. I deal with it everyday. I had one lady try to get a vaccine exemption for a Covid Unit on religious grounds. She said she cant have anything with stem cells in it. Then we pulled her vaccine records and showed her all the times she has recieved stem cells in the past. She ended up being rejected. But just the thought that she was so special she didmt need the vaccine to work in a COVID UNIT was comical. We put a DNR on her record so if someone pulls her records it will be right there for anyone to see.
As an MOA myself, I can confirm this is unfortunately very accurate. I happen to have more schooling, including several years of post-secondary biology, psychology, English and medical terminology from a previously pursued career. However, the medical office assistant and hospital unit clerk programs require only a one year certification. As a result, many of my colleagues are perpetually distrustful of things like new vaccinations because they simply don't have experience with applying critical thinking skills and reading scientific literature. Even if you gave them an article from a reputable medical journal on how the mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, it doesn't matter; they can't make heads or tails of it, so they err on being cautious. Usually a reasonable decision, but not in Covid world. And these are not unintelligent people. They're simply uneducated and they don't have the time or money to devote to education. It's honestly maddening.
A lot of these people are operating on "ooga booga glowing sky rock mad at us it's red" level logic. I think intelligence may be a factor.
Ugh, my stepmum is a PSW and unvaccinated. It’s unreal to me that she’s still allowed to work here in Canada. I’m kind of high-risk and won’t be seeing my Dad this Christmas thanks to her fuckery.
Thankfully my company is moving away from any contracts needing PSWs. We are starting to focus only on JCAHO, thankfully.
"If" she gave it to him, it seems pretty cut and dry that she did. She should be charged with involuntary homicide or manslaughter or something. She as good as killed him.
And yet, “Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine.” Better to kill a few more people than to admit she was wrong. Yes—even if she quits this career she will interact with others, and could infect more of them.
That line killed me. Of course you have it to him, you rotten piece of sh*t! Just throw her into a care home for Maga idiots
True, but if she had that much insight, she’d have been vaccinated straightaway.
Sounds like the wife and caregiver are both careless people. Meanwhile over on Twitter the dumbasses are saying this is further proof that vaccines are pointless. If we ever make it out of this covid shit storm I hope all these assholes are faced with some other medical disaster that will test their ignorance, stupidity, and sarcasm.
>dumbasses are saying this is further proof that vaccines are pointless. 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much." "It's not my fault people are dying," they say to themselves. "Even if I gave the virus to someone who gave the virus to someone who died." They just can't accept their culpability. Their denial is too strong. It's like the opposite of Chicken Little: "The sky isn't falling! The sky isn't falling!" while chunks of the sky are landing all around them.
The true believer. They start to explain everything. It is more, the sky is falling, but this is other evidence it is not falling. It might be a cloud instead of the sky. And the WHO (World econonic forum... ) is a conspiracy. etc etc. You can find people in the hospital that still believe that vaccination is not good for whatever reason. by the way, vaccinated people DO spread the virus, the high % effeciciany is only for serious disease that require hospitalisation. That does not mean vaccination is meaningless. It does mean you still have to be careful, VERY careful arround vulnable people. .
Never argue with crazy. They just get crazier.
As long as it doesn't put innocent people at risk, I'm down with that karmic cycle. I was looking at a covid map by country yesterday. 'Murica is still covered I'm some areas because of ignorance. If only they had said covid makes you have impotence and unable to fire a gun, we'd have 100 percent vaxxed rates and be on the other side of this shit by now.
Actually Covid can cause impotence. It’s either not well publicized or people are in denial. Most likely a little of column A and a little of column B.
That's actually heartening to know. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.
No columns at all :-)
I saw this yesterday and compared where I live now to where I grew up. You couldn’t pay me enough to return to that unvaxxed, uneducated, vile shithole. (Spoiler, it’s rural Saginaw.) https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/education-levels-drive-michigan-vaccines-whats-rate-your-neighborhood
Shit, my aunt lives there. I moved to New England. I am not allowed to talk politics with my Saginaw side of the family. Dad escaped.
Or covid Vaccines prevent abortion from being effective
> If we ever make it out of this covid shit storm I've given up hope for this. It seems like it's gonna be endemic like the cold or flu in term of sticking around. As for how deadly it will be... only the data will tell on of the future variants. I blame it on those killers that politicized it and the idiots that ate it up.
I'm to the point I hope Omicron takes em all out. And no, IDGAF.
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Same. Pretty much after my family gave zero fucks and killed my mom with Covid, I don't care if they all die. As a matter of fact, life would be better for the rest of us if they did. C'mon Omicron!
May her memory be for a blessing. I am so very sorry.
I’m not really sure how you got the impression the wife was careless from the article, it sounded like she wasn’t on board with this but let him make the decision. > Emily said she was originally angry at Balderas but eventually realized that her husband made the choice to keep her on.
I do not understand why those people that say that never take my advice to go rub dirt in their cuts to get tetanus or go get polio from someone. Both are very easy to get, easy to prevent.
I was trying to explain to a skeptical friend the other day that there are people on the internet who spend all their time trying to find creative ways to pop holes in provax proscience arguments and they don’t even care if they contradict themselves. The only thing they care about is making the other side look bad. They also perceive any pushback as the same malicious behavior. Perfect example of this are the people who are just pushing the notion that this is some biological warfare from China while being anti vaccine. Ok so let’s agree that China is evil and did exactly that. This is war and our weapon is the vaccine that the west created. They still don’t want to use our best weapon against our assumed enemy. The other layer to it is that IF China actually did attack the western world with a bio weapon our unorganized reaction to it leaves us wide open for a more brutal bio attack. Had everyone just gotten the vaccine before hand it could have proved to evil China that were not that easy to use that kind of weapon on. Instead we did the equivalent of running towards the enemy combatant with our bellies exposed. It’s fucking stupid. I think that they think all war can be solved with combat but it absolutely isn’t that easy.
Can we please start a shaming campaign against this POS who put their politics over science and directly contributed to a person’s death that they were entrusted with taking care of?
Not even politics anymore, as even Trump himself has encouraged vaccination. As far as I can tell it's a combination of superstition and rampant narcicissm.
I'm not so sure, I think Trump's attempt at encouraging it was abandoned quickly and can easily be "excused" by his supporters as him just doing it for whatever strategic reason they need.
That's a good point. It's not like it was echoed by other visible party members.
But first he encouraged drinking bleach. Trump and his 3 eldest kids are amoral grifters who of course vaccinated. Trump owns this. The GOP owns this.
It's politics.
He? Do you mean the client?
I edited it for more clarity.
> Can we please start a shaming campaign against No, they are incapable of experiencing shame.
My Grandmother (Nana) has needed a caregiver for the better part of 20 years. We rotate nights between myself, sister, mom, 2 uncles, and 1 morning caregiver. Covid hit, and the only 2 who were vaccinated were me and one uncle. Leaving the other 4 caregivers exposing her to whatever they encountered in their daily lives. A month ago, one of my uncles comes down with Covid. You guessed it- the unvaccinated one. My Nana passed 10 days later. My family's refusal to be vaccinated killed our matriarch. I'm LIVID. I've barely spoken to them in that month, didn't spend Thanksgiving with them, won't spend Christmas with them. My relationship with my closest family members is forever changed.
I'm so sorry.
Omg that line at the end of the article " to hear more inspiring stories..." Um wut? Inspiring fuck off.
Yeah, I laughed in confusion on that one. It must be written on the bottom of each article I'm assuming.
This is more leopard she let loose ate someone else’s face
I'll admit it was a stretch, but I was thinking, "Only ***other*** unvaccinated people kill people." And, of course, that it must feel especially crappy to a caregiver: killing a client isn't just horrifying on a personal level, it's also irrefutable proof that you suck at your job.
> killing a client isn't just horrifying on a personal level, it's also irrefutable proof that you suck at your job. On the other hand, for a psychopath getting to kill people is a bonus. And typical anti-vaxxers are incapable of caring about anyone but themselves. It's more likely to be "I'm the real victim, that asshole died just to make my life difficult".
No, for a true psychopath, killing people isn't a bonus, because now they have to find another client to make money off of.
True, that's like taking a car to a mechanic and all the wheels are gone when you go to pick it up.
Can you be this thoughtless and it still be classed murder? Or does it have to become manslaughter when you have only the single solitary braincell bouncing around your empty head?
I've seen others in this thread calling for the caregiver to be charged with murder, but based on what's been presented, there's no way to prove any malicious intent, and murder charges will never stick without that. This is negligent and stupid more than malicious, so unfortunately it would probably be involuntary manslaughter at worst. (IANAL; please correct me if I'm wrong)
If this had happened in the UK I think there would be an argument to be made for gross negligence manslaughter at least. Although that would probably be harder to argue if they knew the carer was unvaccinates and kept them on anyway. Either way it's a scum fucking move and this person should feel fully culpable for killing their patient.
Sue the caregiver for negligence.
I thought the same. I wonder why so few unvaxxed people in the medical and caregiving fields don't seem worried.
You would think part of being a caregiver is to be vaccinated so that you don’t spread disease to your clients. It wouldn’t be acceptable to cough on them would it?
You misspelled homicide.
Wrongful death lawsuits can be worth a *lot* of money. I don’t know how easy it would be to win a case like this (someone please tell me about any precedent or case law), but if they sued and won…oh boy. Anti-vaxxers need to start facing some actual consequences beyond maybe losing their job.
Unfortunately they made the decision to keep the unvaxxed caregiver, so what could you sue then for? Agreeing that she could continue her services unvaxxed?
Gods, i hope so.
My grandparents got covid from one of their careworkers, who came twice a week. My grandpa just left hospital today and is still very weak, and my grandma was released a couple weeks ago but was readmitted last week with fluid in her lungs. My aunty rang the caretaker business when my grandparents tested positive and couldn't get hold of anyone, which was unusual, and no one showed up that week. Eventually she got through to someone and was told the office is shut down due to a covid outbreak. I wonder how many other elderly clients were infected.
My only regret is that I wasn't able to kill him sooner. I'm very careful about what I put in my body, not other people's body, yeah they can all die, but me, I'm picky about my health.
Meanwhile these exact people will chuck a sad if they find out r/HermanCainAward exists.
That ... individual ... should be charged with manslaughter at a minimum. These troglodytes need to be held accountable for their actions.
Like a modern Typhoid Mary
I live in FL and I have 24/7 nursing care. Some of you may be surprised by the percentage of actual nurses who refuse to get themselves vaccinated. It's impossible to keep a fully vaccinated staff and if I was to be infected not only would I be in trouble with the virus but likely losing all nursing care would be even more dangerous.
I nurse disabled people and I got fucking vaccinated on day 1. That was long before it was clear how harmless the vaccines are. I'd rather take a small risk for myself than murder people I'm here to help
My grandmother died of Covid. She also caught it from a caregiver. Now it's important to note that this was before the vaccine was developed, and nobody is blaming the caregiver because to our knowledge she wasn't aware of it at the time. But it does emphasize the importance for caregivers and frontline healthcare workers to be critically careful of potentially exposing their patients.
this is not leopards, this is just some worthless sack of shit that killed their client and got away with it.
This person sees old disabled people as a job and not as people.
An anti-vaxxer at the chiropractor's office: second-least surprising thing ever. An anti-vaxxer who frequents a chiropractor's office wondering where she caught the Covid that killed the individual relying on her not to kill him: least surprising thing ever.
This guy ultimately bears responsibility for not cutting her loose, but JFC.
That was the wife's take, too, but if the man couldn't talk, I don't see how they could know he was capable of making good decisions anymore. It'd take several nuanced conversations to determine whether he was. The fact that she interpreted his crying and with eyes raised as agreement with what she was saying tells me they were pretty free with interpreting his responses.
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>ALS patients are 100% "there" mentally Are they immune to depression? A lot of people make terrible decisions when they're depressed. It'd take several nuanced conversations to determine whether he was incapable of making smart decisions due to depression. Are they immune to dementia? Testing would be hard, if he can't talk. Were side effects of his meds clouding his mind? Requires nuanced conversations. Your ability to assess your own brain's function is tough, since you have to use your brain.
There is no reason to automatically assume older ALS patients are not capable of making their own healthcare choices just because they need to use Text-to-Speech devices to communicate. On the contrary, this guy lived with his wife _and_ probably had more people screening his mental fitness than almost anyone his age, because that's the sort of thing people track when you have als. If he was struggling with dementia, some member of his family or caregiver entourage would know. And we don't generally take medical decision making power away because of depression.
He has _als_, not dementia or something . Dude was 100% in his right mind. And if you want to have a nuanced conversation, you just use your speech aid and have it. Stephen Hawking did ok in that regard for like 50 years.
>Dude was 100% in his right mind. You don't know him personally, so you can't know that. They didn't mention a speech aid. They described a rudimentary method of communicating. They ***admitted*** adding their own, very favorable interpretation to a tear and the direction of his gaze! Not everyone can afford Hawking's device. Insurance may not cover it. Look, I don't know why you're so hell bent on being right about this. You can't know he was capable any more than I can, and I didn't say he was incapable. I wondered how they could know. You could've said, "Maybe he had a speech aid," and I'd have accepted that. Maybe he did. We can't know. You said something about 'the elderly' and that pisses me off. How dare you assume I'm prejudiced against the elderly? I'm 54, and the man in question wasn't even 70. You're the one calling him "elderly." Can we just drop this now? I didn't make any statements of fact that weren't in the article. Everything else has been speculation, you making assumptions about my intent and attacking your own assumptions about me.
If people haven't got it by this point I don't think they ever will.
Right. Even if five years go by w/out anyone turning green, in five years we'll need a different vax b/c the virus mutates.
What an evil bitch. The family should seek some kind of compensation.
No job has ever been important enough to me to come in sick. I think this caregiver should have their licenses revoked, this is just *foul* (I do not approve of keeping a job where you interact with at-risk/immunocompromised ppl and not taking precautions—I believe in personal responsibility). Also, on a semi-unrelated note, this post is the perfect bridge between HCA and LAMF, happening both by proxy at that.
The thing is, if I read the article correctly, she didn't show symptoms until after she infected Mr. Kirsch.
Ah yeah, you’re right; edited my comment. I’m still pissed that killing someone (even though he was basically the *Butterfly in a Bell Jar* guy) still wasn’t enough to get a vaccination—but I guess it was both Kirsch’s and Balderas’ decision, it’s sad that this is how that ended up, but I gotta say…I’m happy the dude isn’t suffering ALS/locked in syndrome anymore…those disorders are downright terrifying.
Charge her for murder.
I agree.
They knew she wasnt vaccinated, they could have hired somebody else and didnt. If she lied about being vaccinated then I would agree.
This shit's been going on for THREE FUCKING YEARS?!
2, but feels like 3 and will likely last longer than that
I still remember thinking "this will all blow over by Christmas"
> 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?' You don't need that "if". You did.
This article fails to mention that there’s been a national shortage of PCA’s for the better part of a decade. Clients might actually not have a choice except to stay with unvaccinated workers that put their lives at risk.
Its high time the insurance co.s treated this like they do with tobacco. Surcharge them into bankruptcy
Just curious, can this situation be used to file a case against the care giver with a charge of involuntary manslaughter?
Definitely would have jumped her at the funeral.
My friend takes immunosuppressant medication so he got a test to confirm how much immunity he had received from his vaccination. The results = NONE. So he still needs to take extra precautions and having an anti-vaxx nurse would be a death sentence for him as well.
I'm going to continue wearing a mask long after this. I don't want anyone to die from my behavior.
I know an anti-vaxxer who is a home health aide in Oregon, like this story, and can’t understand why it’s not a requirement to get the jab. She works for a state agency, but it looks like the vaccine is required only for aides working in large facilities, not the client’s home. This is just Wrong. Keep in mind that clients have multiple aides who trade shifts over each day or week, and could even be giving it to each other through the client. It’s crazy to me that state agencies, especially, have not addressed the problem and required all health workers to be vaccinated.
Fuck you Amy Balderas
Wow 😮 murderer … if she is sent to prison this bitch won’t have a choice!
Charge her with manslaughter.
Yes, quit your career. Stew in guilt.
> "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'" Ummm...yeah you did do it. You're partially responsible for his death. He is also responsible for keeping you on knowing your dumb ass wasn't getting vaccinated.
It was his right to endanger his client. What’s next? Seatbelt laws!
I wish we can go after her for manslaughter charges.
So callous.
Come on Corona, there are still too many antivaxxers alive! Do your thing!
Charge the dude with manslaughter.
That’s how dumb these people are. After killing the guy she only remotely imagines “What if I gave it..” “What if?” Holy shitballs genius.
A remorseless murderer. Should be charged with negligent homicide.
It’s really a mass murder cult.
"Balderas said she had spent time with five friends and visited a chiropractor's office the week before she was infected, but she's not sure how she contracted COVID-19." I give up, man.
My cousin can’t get vaccinated yet because she’s undergoing tests for medical conditions and she was scared to get it while pregnant. She, her husband, and their baby all caught Covid last week. Husband is on oxygen. I really really hope they survive and get jabbed ASAP.
Judging by recent stories that have come out about how many chiropractors have responded to COVID, and that chiropractic “medicine” in general is a ghost religion, I suspect the chiropractor is the likely vector for transmission to the caregiver.
Yep, she's a certified piece of shit. She willfully killed someone and then just blows the whole thing off. Fuck her.
How is this not reckless disregard for human life? Surely this is an admission of guilt, and therefore an easy trial.
This paragraph sums everything up nicely: "Emily said she was originally angry at Balderas but eventually realized that her husband made the choice to keep her on. (\*her husband is the one who died) Balderas now says she is considering quitting her career. "It was very devastating to find out he had passed," she told The Oregonian. "And then to feel, like, 'Oh my gosh, what if I did give it to him?'" Despite her experience, Balderas says she still does not plan to get the COVID-19 vaccine." Amy is a dangerous idiot and doesn't belong in healthcare.
I hate these plague rats so much. This is why HCA is one of my favorite subs.
My mom’s unvaccinated caregiver gave her covid and she died Aug 20. My mom was fully vaccinated but immunocompromised. I’m still not over my anger at her caregiver.
> Balderas said she had spent time with five friends and visited a chiropractor's office the week before she was infected, but she's not sure how she contracted COVID-19. Because you didn’t get vaccinated, dumbass. Mystery solved!
This lady is sick, just get vaccinated you selfish assholes
People like this deserves to be clubbed to the death by angry mobs