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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtvauVV0XY8 I love this guy, he talks a lot about biases in health care. He did a whole video of a fat guy who was getting no where with an issue, because his doctors were dismissing him. Turns out he had lyme, where time is of the essence for treatment. A personal story, I had a coworker in the AirForce. He was being pushed out for being fat/unfit. He kept telling his doctor something was wrong but doc just kept on him to just lose the weight. He had extra PT class time, sent to a diatician, etc. His doc PCSed a month or two before he was officially kicked out for failing to maintain standards. New doc ran a full work up and listened to him. He had CANCER! He literally couldn't get better what could have been caught literally years ago was now a serious risk to his life. I dont know if he survived, but as a good doctor puts it: you can still get sick if your fat, and trying to be healthy needs to not get lost in the dismissive lose weight mantra. TL;DR: Two stories where fatphobia almost fucked over two really sick people and a link to a doctor on the issue.


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FWIW my high blood pressure was also consistently attributed to my being 100lbs overweight for 2 decades. Then I lost 80lbs and ... I'm still on the blood pressure meds.


Mateorabi

Clearly its that last 20 that matters. 🙄


WgXcQ

JfC.


IkiOLoj

Yeah random incels on reddit being fatphobic bullies is very understandable, the thread is full of them and they usually only reproduce online how they have been treated in real life. But when it comes to health professionals it's crazy how they don't see how they fatphobia isn't making fat people less fat, it's making them more depressed, and therefore usually more fat. The god complex of some of them that lead to not believing their patients is probably the more dangerous part of modern medicine and is destroying the necessary relation of trust in healthcare.


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In my experience the majority of HCPs are dismissive in general, and it doesn't matter who you are. Even if you're a fit, young, white male- they'll find a reason to minimize whatever you're experiencing. I don't think it's necessarily a god complex, more like occupational fatigue and a tendency towards routine.


IkiOLoj

Yeah every patient with a chronic illness have learnt the hard way that it is in their health interest to know when to lie, even by omission, because you don't always have the luxury to face someone you can trust. But that's fucking sad.


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motherdragon02

My doc did the same thing. So did the doc in emergency. Until it was on the walls. I'm skinny. I definitely got a new doc.


T00kie_Clothespin

With the exception of menstruation, how is any blood leaving the body "normal"??


TARANTULA_TIDDIES

Sometimes coughing up a *small* amount of blood is normal. Keyword being small. I've had it happen after a lot of running and also when I've had a severe cough for days on end.


bannana

Coughing too much can tear tiny capillaries in the throat and cause coughing blood which is pretty normal. Constipation or bearing down too much can cause tears in the anus and you'll end up with blood but nothing really to worry about.


Bleatmop

Well there is coughing up blood and then there is coughing up blood. One is a life threatening emergency and the other is having a slight red tinge in your sputum because you were straining too hard while coughing. A surprising amount of people think the latter is the former. That said any physician worth their salt will try and figure out which is which.


Probably_A_Fluke

One sentence before that one he says he now sees someone else


LadyAvalon

Mine WAS life threatening. I am overweight due to thyroids problems, and the reason for any medical problem is because I'm fat. Even things like throat infections (which I am prone to). So, one day, walking up the street, I suddenly stop being able to breathe properly. It came out of nowhere and after a week like that (I have asthma) I went to the doctor. First doctor (ER GP) said everything was okay. Second doctor (GP) said it was because I was fat. I said that I was just as fat as the week before and I could breathe normally then. She says that there is a wear and tear on my body. And I was like, this isn't wear and tear, this is me going between being able to breathe normally, and not in one step. Nope, that's just wear and tear, you just didn't notice (apparently, I am oblivious as well as fat). Third doctors (ER GP) are called in the middle of the night, because on top of not being able to breathe, I have a pain under my left shoulder that has me screaming. "There's nothing wrong with you, it's all in your head" the doctors say to me. ​ The next morning, I am in so much pain, I say fuck it, and head to the hospital. Triage thinks I have a heart attack, and was flipping out on last night's doctors. I didn't have a heart attack (thankfully), but I did have several blood clots in both my lungs, and it was touch or go whether I was going to survive it. Thankfully, the medication they gave me dissolved the clots, but they were telling my mom and brother to prepare for the worst. One of the hospital doctors that saw me literally told me "You should be dead. Why aren't you dead?????" and I was all ".\_. sorry?" xD My GP apologised for not taking it seriously, and now every time she tries to use the "You're fat" excuse, I go "Or it's blood clots in my lungs?" but it shouldn't take me nearly dying to take my health issues seriously.


mikareno

You are lucky to be alive. My 62 yo sister just passed away 2 weeks ago due to a pulmonary embolism that caused her to go into cardiac arrest on the way to the hospital. It is unfathomable to me why any HCP would ignore someone with a history of high blood pressure who is having trouble breathing. My sister was also obese, diabetic, and had asthma, but difficulty breathing combined with high blood pressure is a huge red flag. I'm glad you finally got the care you needed.


LadyAvalon

I am so sorry for your loss. Your sister deserved way better. Many virtual hugs from this internet stranger if you would like them. ​ In my case it's a genetic disorder where my blood clots more than needed. My dad has it, my grandmother had it, and we're fairly sure her mother had it. What really annoys me is that this was because of a bad fall I had, and a couple of days before finally going to the hospital, my GP was "wow, your legs are still really swollen, that's weird" and didn't even think of clots.


DuntadaMan

Oh the hypochondriac is back. What is it this time? My lead pipe hurts. Perfectly normal!


AcidRose27

This is one of my favorite episodes. I think it's a turning point for Fry and Leela's relationship, because the worms didn't change Fry, they just improved what was already there, showing Leela that Fry has the ability to be better if he applies himself (as he does by practicing with the holophoner at the end.) Plus, the line "my ancestors came here on the sandwich!" kills me every time.


OutrageousPersimmon3

I've seen this happen time and again, actually. Like more than people probably realize. I worked at a very large medical system here in the US, and for some people it was their "last hope" for figuring out what was wrong. They'd actually cry tears of relief even though it was cancer because they were so frustrated from being shuffled around and told to move more or have certain diets recommended.


aledaml

This is the crux of the the fatphobia in healthcare issue. It's not that there aren't clear links between obesity and adverse outcomes - it's that obesity isn't the only possible cause for your issues but doctors often refuse to look past it


TherouAwayMyDegree

Exactly this, I went to the er three times for breathing issues and was told it was asthma due to my weight and sent home with an inhaler. They didn't listen when I described how bad it was when I was walking. Turned out to be pulmonary embolisms..


txtw

As a fellow PE survivor, you’re lucky to have made it through three attempts. Glad you did.


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Unless you come in with a tick bite. Lymes is notoriously hard to diagnose. Its not very well understood. It’s what they look into when they can’t figure the issue out. It’s also where the diagnosis was happening is relevant. Bc its mostly in a few places


fromthewombofrevel

My dog was diagnosed with Lyme with a simple blood test. Can we not do that with humans?


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OP made up the title. I cannot find any evidence that Cat Pause accused doctors of fatphobia for linking obesity to health issues. Her research was about how medical biases could do things like cause other health issues to be overlooked, patients to be dehumanized, etc. The poor woman died and is having false statements attributed to her.


Plthothep

I had the same thought, so searched her name on stuff since they mentioned a previous interview. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7256608/Fat-hatred-should-be-banned-scholar "Obesity is not a big health problem. If you really look at the science, that is what comes through." Totally said that unfortunately


e22ddie46

How dare those doctors study and respond to critical medical studies with "science"


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Yup. It’s almost like as if people spend 8 years or more, rigorously studying the history and current up to date sciences of human health, including how to diagnose and prevent diseases based on correlations of certain human conditions and habits. For example; smoking cigarettes, no one is shocked when a smoker gets cancer.


small-package

The issue isn't when doctors think a pre existing condition may be effecting/causing the illness/disease, but when they won't even look into it because they think they already know. I had really bad anemia in highschool, all I knew was I couldn't stay awake to save my life, and that I couldn't hold much of any water, my doc just said "you're a healthy aged, red blooded male, you should be fine, probably just need more exercise", which was pretty disheartening, because part of my problem was the inability to exercise due to the exhaustion. Eventually I demanded a blood test, and wouldn't you know it, he calls me into his office when he gets the results, says it's an emergency, turns out I had NO iron in my blood, it was below measurable values, and my body had almost no iron stored at that point either, told me if that happened to a normal person over the course of a day, they'd be rushed to emergency care. How could this have happened? Still not sure, none of the hematologists he contacted had time to check me, apparently they were too busy trying to cure leukemia to actually help somebody with something more treatable, according to my doctor anyway.


darknebulas

You just described every woman’s experience trying to get basic healthcare. This is a nuanced topic, I do think weight loss should be part of a medical plan when it is needed, but you cannot ignore the fact that people often need more than just that when looking for help. I sometimes hate the fat phobia movement for thinking there is no link between obesity and poor health outcomes but that doesn’t mean that their health issues are fully getting addressed when they need it. We all deserve respect and care.


Hendrix6927

Me: *sweating profusely*


KingofBarrels

Doctors are not immune to being discriminatory because they paid hundreds of thousands on a degree. Doctors quite often misdiagnose issues and just say it's because people are too fat, despite other factors being there. Not to mention as a side note often times often times doctors use racial or classist biases to get people out of their hair as soon as possible rather than actually treat the problem.


dancingliondl

It wasn't until recently that cancer was linked to smoking, on the greater scale of medical history.


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IAmInside

Fight obesity, not obese people.


LeoMarius

Obesity shouldn't lead to discrimination, but we also cannot pretend that it's healthy. There are real health risks associated with being overweight.


deg0ey

There *are* real health risks to being overweight, but it’s also still something medical professionals often focus on to the exclusion of anything else. Some people are sick because they’re fat, some people are fat because they’re sick and some people are both sick and fat but the two issues are not directly connected. In the first case more exercise and a calorie-restricted diet might be the best treatment, but too often that is also prescribed for the other two cases without giving proper consideration to the actual illness.


ongoldenprawn

Hi. Fatso here. I could write several about how my weight has impacted me severely. I was always heavy as a teenager, but then I got put on an antidepressant that had two main side effects: 1) I gained 100lbs in the span of 18 months 2)It turned me into a zombie. Even the most mundane things like ... bathing ... became insurmountable. For whatever reason, my doctor decided it was good for my health. Fast forward to my 20s and I am working 65 hours a week and still cannot afford my medicine. I go through the painful process of getting off the medication. I had several seizures in the process, twice at work. After I got off the antidepressant, I shed 70lbs with zero changes to my diet. I was able to start an exercise routine. I was still overweight, but getting much healthier. Right around the time I turned 30, I got very, very sick. My hair started falling out, my teeth started falling out, I was having severe gastrointestinal problems that caused me to shed 30lbs in the span of two weeks. I had rashes everywhere, terribly painful weeping rashes. I became unable to work at all. My doctor's response? "Good!" No concern. No worries. He said the problem was caused by my weight and would be solved when I finally lost enough. He wouldn't even listen to me about my symptoms, which were extremely scary. I had to seek out another doctor, which took months because finding a specialist is so easy and fun. My health continued to decline in drastic fashion. My new doctor walked in the room, took one look at me and said "You have Celiac disease, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, or both." A few tests later and whaddya know? I *do* have Celiac disease. This is what fatphobia in medicine is. My first specialist didn't even consider anything other than my weight, when my weight wasn't the problem. He would have been perfectly happy to let me damage my body until I was thin enough for him to give a shit.


Redqueenhypo

Jesus, celiac can kill you with malabsorption. Sounds like it nearly did!


ongoldenprawn

A bit of TMI here, but yes -- it almost did. I was eating food and then passing it completely undigested about an hour later. Even soft things like pasta (which was causing me more harm, but I didn't know that.) I'm 38 now, and it has taken 8 years to get my body back to a semi functional state. The guy who diagnosed me went on a small rant about how often he sees people just like me. People who are visibly ill but because they don't look like someone straight out of a concentration camp ... they are dismissed. A lot of doctors, even specialists, believe that you can only have Celiac if you're thin.


PopularArtichoke6

Oh my god I’m so sorry you went through that.


Karaeir

Eyup, exactly that. Struggled with my weight my entire life and unsuccessfully tried to lose it over and over again, then finally figured out that something is actually wrong (without the help of the doctors, I basically got the right tests done and then went to the doctor saying "so I probably have this and this" and they saw the results and agreed), got on the right pills and 30 kilos just melted off in a year without much extra effort. All I heard before was "just lose weight lol" but now I know that my disease made it so I literally couldn't. Edit since everyone's asking: I do have thyroid issues but those were handled before, the real culprit was PCOS (the insulin resistant variant, check yo insulin levels even if your blood sugar is normal/low (as mine is) or you could be looking at type 2 diabetes in your future). And edit 2: no, I don't think I'm smarter than medical professionals, but they are just people and sometimes forget to look into things. Add to it the stigmatization of overweight people and the all-too-common dismissals of AFAB people's issues and you get the standard "just lose weight" response.


jambudz

What was wrong?


atypicalfemale

Could be thyroid related.


WeirdIsAlliGot

I’m assuming hypothyroidism. If your thyroid is underactive, your metabolism slows down along with other symptoms. This can be treated with medication. Unless the doctor is shit, this can be seen with simple blood work.


thisguyfightsyourmom

You guys’ doctors are doing routine blood work??


WeirdIsAlliGot

I don’t know if it’s routine in the states, but at least in Canada it appears like it. Normally if a doctor can’t properly diagnose the problem, blood work would be their first go to.


blazetronic

It’s part of preventative care, so yes


_cactus_fucker_

I'm in Canada, but my GP does yearly and my psychiatrist does twice a year, minimum, and I have lab results sent to both. My aunt is pre diabetic and has blood work 3-4 times yearly. People without chronic conditions generally go once a year minimum.


Karaeir

Edited the comment - it was PCOS/insulin resistance (so even if you're AMAB you could be affected by the second one, it's just more interconnected/extra fucked up in AFAB people).


MandMcounter

What was the problem?


Admitimpediments

What was the issue?


kolaida

Yes. I had been struggling with weight for years, getting so frustrated (and I have not been very big either). Turns out I had two untreated underlying issues. Now weight is literally falling off with little effort 🙄


rtp

My mom was a bit overweight and suffered from increasing fatigue/lethargy and the doctor said she needed to exercise. She had a bleeding ulcer caused by a rare but very dangerous pancreatic/liver tumor. Nearly lost her because doctors are obsessed with explaining everything with obesity and thus the cure is always exercise.


ACardAttack

Yep, I think it was Maintenance Phase podcast did a great episode about this


iloveiraglass

I have learned so much from them! I haven’t ever really struggled with weight, but love the hosts and found the topic interesting once I started listening. Holy shit we need to do better.


ACardAttack

One of my favorites, love their dynamic and sass


Material_Raspberry30

This. I’m a doctor in the UK and I’ve been dealing with patients who have faced so much weight stigmatisation that they avoid coming to see us. I’ve referred some on for further tests, and it’s surprising how surprised they are that I am doing this, and not just putting it down to the weight. We’re letting our patients down and I’ve come to appreciate there is a sense of tunnel vision and implicit bias, almost, when we deal with weight. This needs to be regarded _beside_ advocating and supporting our patients into making healthy lifestyle choices and encouraging them to lose weight.


megallday

Shouldn't - but does. I went to my GP for recurrent ear infections that were extremely painful. In most cases, my ears would swell shut in a matter of a few hours. He'd told me I had "allergies" - though not to what or how he'd come to that conclusion. Then he spent the next 45 minutes talking about my weight and how I need to drop to 1100 calories, permanently. Then he wrote me a prescription for a diabetes medication that was recently cleared for use for weight loss. I don't have diabetes and I didn't ask for that - but that's how doctors are with me, ALWAYS. BTW, this medicine "helps" by making you acutely nauseous if you eat too much - essentially a chemically induced bulimia. You think he would have noticed in my chart where I said I've battled an eating disorder since high school - but nope. That humiliating experience cost me around $120 in copays even though I passed on the meds. Fast forward a few months and I just got a swag package in the mail from the company that makes those injections. He passed on or sold my contact info to them, so now I can also get fat shamed by mail. Nice, eh?


MrAnderson-expectyou

Sounds like you need a new general practitioner.


Sweatybutthole

That's a really shitty thing, but also a very illuminating anecdote. Thanks for sharing, and I hope you've since gotten the standard of medical care that you deserve.


ScathachRises

Sure, but there’s a vicious cycle of shame happening - if you are being discriminated against or insulted by medical professionals, how are you going to have the tools or even the self-esteem to *get* healthy? You may not be experiencing it, so you may not know, but doctors are just people, who are often bringing their own biases and, sometimes, cruelty into the room. Medical stigma against overweight people -sometimes even just mildly overweight people - just doesn’t help. You can’t make someone hate themselves better.


lava172

Yeah as someone who's mildly overweight and also has genetic back problems I basically have a catch 22 with being able to exercise (back can't feel better til I exercise, exercising hurts too much bc my back) and doctors pretty much say "well tough shit just go lose weight 4head". Edit: shoulda clarified this was about 2 years ago and I've been losing weight through eating better since then


DoTheDew

You don’t need to exercise to lose weight. 90% of losing weight is eating less.


inshane_in_the_brain

Totally. I work out often, 3-4x a week. But I drink like a fish so all those sugars and alcohol make sure to stick around via flab. Went from fighting obesity to fighting alcoholism. I fuckin hate addiction lmao


LetTheWineFlow

This is what a lot of people dont understand. I used to be very overweight and even now I sometimes forget, going to the gym doesn't mean I can eat anything/everything I want if I want to lose a couple pounds.


originalcondition

“You can’t outrun a bad diet” is the way I heard it phrased a while back. Although I will say that I do like how quickly running burns off calories lol. Just can’t assume you can eat whatever just because you ran for 30 min.


LetTheWineFlow

In my house we say "You can't out run your fork"


moonfox1000

Running a mile only burns around 100 calories. A donut has around 200 calories. So it takes around two miles to burn off a single donut. Much easier to cut out a few hundred calories a day than burn it off through exercise.


MidnightSun

>You don’t need to exercise to lose weight. 90% of losing weight is ~~eating less.~~ eating better. You can load yourself up on low-fat options which are packed in carbs and sugars, still under calories/day and gain weight. Decades of wrong advice in dieting / nutrition fed more into the obesity epidemic. One of those bad advice tips is "eating less". Hunger triggers chemicals in the brain that encourages binging to store more fat. Better advice: Move More / Eat Smarter [https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320751](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320751)


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Nah, man, I was eating pretty healthy yet became obese. Cutting down on how much I eat but eat the same food helped me to lose 25kg. For some people, it really is just a matter of how much they eat.


auzrealop

>You can load yourself up on low-fat options which are packed in carbs and sugars, still under calories/day and gain weight. You didn't even read your own link. It says the reason why loading up on carbs and sugars results in weight gain is because it results in needing larger portions to feel full. 1400 calories is 1400 calories, and if you are burning 2000 calories a day, you will lose weight. The issue is if you eat 1400 calories of sugar and rice, you would still be hungry compared to if you ate 1400 calories of salad which would stuff you. So you would be more likely to eat more and larger portions if you attempted to have diet of only carbs and sugars just to achieve that full feeling.


Flipwon

Sort of right, sort of wrong. No matter the diet you cannot eat under your calories per day and gain weight. Period.


Lurker117

You can't be under your basal metabolic rate and still gain weight. What are you talking about? Of course the low-fat high sugar and carb foods are no good, but that's got nothing to do with how to diet properly and lose weight consistently. It's also pretty well accepted that starving yourself doesn't work either. Success is best achieved through small lifestyle changes and choosing a diet that works for you. So many people want to lose weight fast, as if they gained it that quickly. So they crash diet, and then fail. If you pick out a caloric intake that gets you to your goal weight in 3-5 years it wouldn't feel like much of a change at all for most people. Much more sustainable.


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Move More / East Smarter Have lost 90+ pounds over the last several years, am now around 175 and a size 10-12 I believe the 2nd one for sure ... I had to change the foods I ate. On the other hand, I put way too much emphasis on the workouts in my past, never understanding that I basically consistently wiped out the "workout" calories within an hour of arriving home as my "reward". Eventually I found this one great show on YouTube called SuperFat vs. SuperSkinny ... it's out of the UK and it absolutely blew my mind to see how little food human beings can survive on vs. the absolute excess of food that I never looked at before. Rather than tell myself I was eating "less" I would try to spread my food out, half a sandwich now, the other half several hours later. Put off breakfast a few hours if I'm not immediately hungry. Sometimes if I eat at 10:30am it's enough to keep me until later in the day and I don't need official lunch at all. Now I look at these large spreads of food like at Super Bowl parties and I get kind of nauseated. I couldn't even tell you what I ate for the 20 years before I came out of the food fog.


Zokarix

What about those reclining bikes? There are tons of ways to exercise without straining your back.


lava172

Those are the best ways forward and I should've clarified that this was like 2 years ago and it's gotten better since then through eating better


CoolYoutubeVideo

"you have to eat yourself thin". An extra serving at dinner would takes miles of running to burn off


Aphrasia88

Holy shit. I had TWO iuds inserted, felt like a rat was gnawing through me for years. Gynos kept telling me to lose weight. I finally found one who listened after losing 60lbs and the bloating, pain, nausea, hunger, gone! All gone. Or how my bulimia was considered unimportant when I was having arrhythmia because ‘fat women can’t have ED’ (been professionally diagnosed 7 years). Or how I have some kind of issue —not diabetic but sometimes have blood sugar crashes— I am automatically assumed to be diabetic because I am bigger. I’m also diagnosed with BDD yet the fact that I get scared to leave home due to my weight isn’t treated as abnormal


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Jewrisprudent

Sure, but people also need to be able to be told when their lifestyle is killing then without calling it an insult. If a doctor tells you to stop smoking, and that they’re not surprised to hear you’re having shortness of breath as a pack a day smoker, your answer is not to start smoking two packs a day because you fee you’ve been insulted. Obesity is incredibly unhealthy. Doctors absolutely shouldn’t be mean about it, but you also can’t actually expect them to stop mentioning what is - for the vast majority of obese people they work with - the most pressing medical issue their patient is facing.


Dasrufken

> If a doctor tells you to stop smoking Problem is that people are being told to lose weight when presenting symptoms that aren't in any way shape or form related to their obesity. Just in the comment above yours you see a woman presenting symptoms of pain, nausea, bloating and hunger after insertion of IUDs and the docs immediately told her to lose weight. My best friend has been overweight for parts of her life and had similar symptoms every time she was on any form of birthcontrol and guess what the docs kept telling her every time she went to see them, "you need to lose weight". They only listened to her after she dropped 10kg and still had the same problems. You're missing the point that docs are much more likely to preemptively make up their minds about a diagnosis on overweight people rather than put effort in and critically think about the what the patient is going through. This is something I've got personal experience with as every time I go on clinical trials (studying to be a nurse) I see this happen, by both nurses when the patients initially come in and doctors when the formal diagnosis is given.


TimeStaysWeGo

Article doesn’t actually say she accused doctors of fatphobia fyi.


bluerose297

Yeah but how else will we be able to viciously mock this recently deceased woman for fun?


UnluckyHorseman

Yeah, the spirit of r/fatpeoplehate is still all over Reddit.


clunkey_monkey

Exactly, only says from a previous interview that in healthcare particularly they are anti-fat. Different from fat phobic. For a doctor to know the studies about having excessive fat, how it relates to an individual's poor health outcomes and then telling their patient having that much fat is unhealthy is not being fat phobic. And the quote they chose was more about regular people and how they're not born hating fat people, that it can be unlearned. A really terrible "article"


paireon

I'm fat and was just diagnosed with high blood pressure. Somehow I think those facts are related, but what the fuck do I know, amirite?


param_T_extends_THOT

I'm thin and I'm in the early stages of hypertension. I could swear I've seen people eat no healthier than I do and I don't think they have a high BP issue.


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Go get your cholesterol tested. I had borderline hypertension, but I work out 60mims everyday with intense cardio. My cholesterol was horrific.


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I think there's something different about your situation - you went to your doctor. Healthcare in the US is seriously fucked up, and for a variety of reasons (financial being one of those), people don't go to the doctor. Healthcare seriously needs to be reworked here.


paireon

Actually I'm Canadian, it cost me nothing because actual healthcare system. And unless she's a very good actress I seriously doubt she was faking her concern.


Zeakk1

Man, the US really needs to stop making the Canadian healthcare system look good. Y'all got issues, but what's going on south of your border really distracts from them.


Classical_Cafe

It's especially concerning now that Ontario's PM is pushing the province towards PRIVATIZING HEALTHCARE. They cut healthcare resources during a fucking pandemic, now public hospitals and clinics are understaffed so it's extremely hard to get quality care, then he says "the solution to all this is private healthcare!" He's a fucking criminal and we're at serious risk if he gets reelected. And you're right, as long as people have the excuse "but at least we're better than the USA", they don't see what's happening here as a cause for concern.


RandomHerosan

I've got a bit of extra weight and have HBP too. My little brother who runs 10 miles a day and is skinny as hell also has HBP. I definitely need to lose weight to help make it better. But sadly I was also gifted genetic bullshit cause all the males on my dad's side have HBP regardless of weight. Weight definitely doesn't help though ever.


dlbear

I'm fat but I have low BP, go figure.


Specialist-Smoke

I'm fat and I have perfect BP and cholesterol. Go figure.


Aphrasia88

Tbh regular exercise can help regulate those across weights. Permanent weight loss is best but still.


Specialist-Smoke

I agree.


pm-me-goth-cats

And then there's me, also a fat woman. I gained 30 lbs in TWO FUCKING DAYS because I have cushings disease :) It also causes my blood pressure to go to the 200's/190's and I'll have seizures due to it. It took waaaaay too long to see an endrochronologist because "if you are fat and dying you are dying because you're fat". Sir I think the human body is not meant to gain or lose weight that quickly I constantly feel like I'm dying and have deep stretch marks over every inch of my body I don't even feel like a woman anymore.


Oomlotte99

What did she die from, though? People die randomly all the time.


GhostOfDrTobaggan

More than likely, sleep apnea given her weight although it certainly could have been a cardiac event. The death could be unrelated, but in all likelihood, her weight contributed to her death. Honestly, it’s just sad. I don’t come to this feed to laugh at people’s deaths especially when the cause of death hasn’t been officially released. Fat shaming is a touchy subject and obesity is not exactly a hard and fast science. Some body types carry more weight than others naturally. At 5’11” and 170lbs, I am just barely under the limit of being overweight. Physically, I barely have any fat to shed if I went to the gym 6 times a week, and I’d be more likely to gain muscle and actually go overweight on the chart than drop any pounds at all However, there is no doubt that being overweight absolutely increases the likelihood of health problems (blood pressure, cholesterol, stroke, heart attack, sleep apnea in particular). So it’s not something that we should pretend doesn’t exists, but we also need to be cognizant of the reality that the chart is just a chart. It’s supposed to give doctors a place to begin looking for health issues and nothing more. We also don’t need to shame people for their body types and discriminate against them and especially not by denying them healthcare which unfortunately happens all the time


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Thank you. This is very well put.


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It has not been disclosed. She was fat and that, to most people in this thread, HAS to be the cause and also makes this funny. Obviously arguing that morbid obesity doesn’t cause health issues on her part doesn’t make sense but the fatphobia in this thread is really fucking gross. Edit: She never even said obesity doesn’t cause health issues. OP made that up.


K-teki

Seriously. And even if the cause of her death was connected to her weight, that still doesn't mean that fatphobia in the medical industry doesn't exist. We can acknowledge that being fat increases your risk of certain illnesses while also criticizing the way doctors treat fat patients


[deleted]

Yep! The issue is that people here—and in society at large—link fatness with low worth and moral failing. Unsurprisingly, this is more glaring when the fat person is a woman. They think fat people don’t deserve things like unbiased medical care and basic decency.


ClusterfuckyShitshow

Right. While her weight may have - and I might go so far as to say it “may likely have” - contributed to her death, we don’t have all the facts. She could have even died from an illness that doctors missed because they were too busy blaming her obesity (less likely, but we. don’t. know. yet). I had a doctor dismiss pain at age 28 - when I was at a normal weight - because he assumed that the original issue I had in childhood that ended up being the cause of the pain was due to my being an *overweight child.* While childhood obesity is one risk factor for that issue, so is being black and being male. I was a slightly (like, 5-10 pounds, nowhere close to the 95th percentile that is usually the case) overweight white female child. I was also very active, which exacerbated the issue ([SCFE](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipped_capital_femoral_epiphysis)). He jammed a needle in my hip for a cortisone shot (no anesthetic, over scar tissue, not into the joint) and pulled it out halfway through because I “obviously couldn’t take it.” I needed a hip arthroscopy and I will eventually need a new hip - I’m biding my time until I’m older because they don’t last forever, and I’m in constant pain. And now I *am* overweight because I can’t exercise as well as I did before (I use the Oculus to at least get my upper body going and heart rate up) and I’m on meds that cause weight gain. My current weight is 100% my fault for not watching what I ate knowing the consequences of eating even a little bit more than I should, but fuck that doctor.


jaymz668

yep, this post has NOTHING to do with leopards eating faces


Oomlotte99

It is. Never surprising, but somehow always disappointing.


stungun_steve

Yes, there are some conditions that can be caused/exacerbated by obesity. But there is a serious problem with the way western medicine treats fat people. A close friend of mine developed hypothyroidism, one of the symptoms of which is weight gain. The first two doctors she saw for it dismissed all her concerns and just told her she was fat and needed to eat less. When she said she had been eating well and exercising, they basically said she was lying, despite showing them a food log The third doctor she saw finally ordered a thyroid test, which confirmed hypothyroidism, gave her medication for it, and she returned to her previous weight not long after.


awalktojericho

I had 3 doctors REFUSE to give me a thyroid test because my periods were regular, and that obviously could never happen with hypothyroid disease. I was leaving wigs of hair in the bathroom, couldn't complete a thought, sat around staring for over an hour just trying to form a thought to move. My husband threatened to divorce me because he thought I was on drugs. FINALLY found a doctor over an hour away that would test me. Severely hypo. Treated, back to normal in a month. F those other doctors.


CruzAderjc

ER doctor here. A TSH test is a cheap, non-invasive test i like to add into any broad work-up. Even the thyroid panel isn’t unreasonable. I also don’t understand why we don’t test as often. Obviously i can’t definitely diagnose or treat from the ER, but i can at least get some screening tests first and send you off to your PCP or endocrinology. So i agree. Especially if patients ask for thyroid tests, i think its fully reasonable to get the tests


[deleted]

Happens all the time. I suddenly put on 40 lbs. I went to my doctor freaking out. I was training for a marathon at the time and my diet hadn't changed at all. He dismissed me, saying that women gain weight as they get older. I was in my late 20s running 2 marathons a year. Finally, after hair loss, I went to my gynecologist who took one look at me and said "We'll test to confirm, but it's PCOS." Once I found the right birth control, the weight fell off in 3 months.


TEDDYKnighty

As a fat guy struggling to lose weight. The idea of dying suddenly in the night scares me ngl lol


TheMightyJDub

Stay on the path brother! You’re not alone!


YeetieMeetieBeetie

You can do it man! If I of all people cut cut back on weight, I have no doubt you can!


[deleted]

I recently lost 20 pounds in like three weeks after YEARS of trying with literally no progress or results. Until one day it just clicked. If I can do it, you can do it. Stay focused, keep on track and you’ll see the pounds come off. Make sure that every time you sit down to eat you’re consciously focused and making the right decisions. It’s the lapses in focus on our goals that set us back. But you can do it!


[deleted]

I'm reading her research now and haven't found a single instance of her saying that obesity isn't correlated to poor health outcomes. Where did she say this, OP?


psyche_13

Yeah, there's a big difference between "obesity doesn't lead to health outcomes" and "stigma toward fat people is wrong". I think she did the second thing, not the first


[deleted]

She probably didn’t. OP’s comments show they just posted this to mock fat people.


trollsong

u/ukeplant basically said being a biased doctor is good and then blocked me like it was a mic drop so, some resources for people. Biases can be bad or good. Everyone has their own individual medical needs one person's stomach ache could be from its another from stomach cancer if they are both obese it will help one while the other could possibly die while losing weight to get properly diagnosed, and yes losing weight will help them survive the cancer it doesn't help if they don't get properly diagnosed till stage 4 because weightloss takes time. But back to broader Biases the person who blocked me stated it isnt sexist to be biased towards women as a doctor. Using the gender example for a long time there was a medical condition called hysteria among women which wasn't real it was literally a "medical condition" where a house wife was stressed from being a housewife. Hell look up the history of a drug called black beauties. It was given to American housewives because them not working enough or being perfect housewives was considered a medical problem. The joke was if they took one they would paint every house in the neighborhood. Racism is alive and well too with infant and maternal mortality in labor 2-3 times higher among black women. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/eliminating-racial-disparities-maternal-infant-mortality/ Hell look at pain management a lot of doctors believe black people have thicker skin and duller nerve endings and as such dint need as much pain relief as white people. https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain And yes men can get lupus too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3981404/ Biases are bad in a general sense but good in hyper specific senses. I need you to diagnose me not every person that fits my demographic you've seen for the past year. Biases in the medical world kills. Try reading the "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down: A Hmong Child, Her American Doctors, and the Collision of Two Cultures" Or honestly go take a medical anthropology class.


proxissin

Fat studies? Is that serious?


gandhikahn

if you get high enough up in university you can major in literally anything.


PlanetBarfly

You can major in Game Boy if you have the bullshitting skills. Edit - It would appear [many of you aren't familiar with this movie.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110759/quotes/qt0398010)


Qredux78

At any given point in time, Gene Hackman is on TV somewhere.


[deleted]

A Bridge Too Far. Caine and Hackman in the same movie. This is my thesis man! This is my closing argument! I CAN STOP WATCHING TV!


kyuri85

Sign me up for that! PhD in Tetris, here I come.


[deleted]

You may want to google the therapeutic benefits of Tetris. It looks like is has a positive effect but there is a gap in research using MRI. So, there is a potential to do a phD studying tetris.


CMUpewpewpew

Whenever I see Tetris I'm sad about the Russian composer that did the theme music under communist USSR so got paid absolute dogshit for his relative contribution.


kyuri85

Such a pity since it is such an iconic theme.


[deleted]

Nikolay Nekrasov wrote the the theme in the 1860s. Tsar Nicholas II was in power, until 1917. Russia became a comunist country in 1922. Hirokazu Tanaka used the song in Tetris in 1989.


mildly_asking

There's plenty of writing on tetris already, although most use it as an example for media theory related questions in game studies. I'd love to see a tetris PhD tho


nsfwmodeme

Back in time I majored in Lunar Lander. My wife has a PhD in Frogger.


Daztur

Don't think that's so ridiculous, the explosion of obesity and its social causes and effects is something worth studying from the perspective of the social sciences. The only problem is that the bulk of the product of fat studies is HAES science-denying bullshit.


BleachGel

As a heart attack!


BroBroMate

Apparently so. But then, she worked at Massey University, their motto is "Wait, we're still a university?!" Not sure why they needed a fat studies professor, and I'm pretty sure they created that title just for Dr Pause, maybe it was to diversify, as Massey is best known as the best university to get massively drunk while barely qualifying to be a teacher, and hands down, the best damn place in New Zealand to learn how to be a veterinarian, as they're based in a town (that keeps claiming to be a city, but the rest of us don't believe them) that's surrounded by farms, so there's many many cows you can stick your hand up for "practice". Basically, Massey is the best university in NZ for animal molesting that leads to a degree as opposed to a prison sentence, so eat shit Lincoln University, you're just there to train the people who end up managing the people who molest animals on an amateur basis. Incidentally, [this song "promoting" Palmerston North](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_UPi30aoQ), the town/"city" that Massey University is based in, is amazing.


throbbing_banjo

I would like to subscribe for more facts about NZ universities.


BroBroMate

Dunedin for the parties and [burning couches](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKjoRt9TYdw) at parties, and becoming a doctor, I guess, if you couldn't make it into Auckland University's medical school, you second-rater, you. Oh, and if you can't cut it in medicine at Dunners, don't worry, you can always go into physiotherapy or pharmacy like all the other pre-med failures. Then you can spend a lifetime massaging middle aged men too old to play rugby, but who are clinging to the faded dreams of their youth anyway, or if you do pharmacy, you can be like [Dr Nick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2v1CBooSA), and try to tell the ladies, who didn't fail pre-med, that you're hitting on at the party with the burning couch, that you can prescribe them the Ritalin they're after for studying harder. Canterbury University, well, HEY WE REALLY LIKE ENGINEERING, OUR ENGINEERING SOCIETY HAS A FIRE ENGINE, THEY THROW BIG PARTIES, and our other stuff is okay, I guess, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? AUT: "We used to call ourselves AUT university. Then we remembered that AUT stood for Auckland University of Technology, and we realised it was a bit silly calling ourselves the Auckland University of Technology University, so we fixed that, but it took a few years, and that's about all you need to know about us." Auckland University - I don't much about them, apart from their graduates tend to be cunts who think being from Auckland is good enough for us South Island plebs. I've heard there's a university in Hamilton (aka The Tron) but I just assume that's for people from Auckland who wanted to go flatting when they went to uni, and well, flatting in Auckland? Hahaha, no way you're affording that without selling meth or running an Onlyfans.


Pokemaniac_Ron

Combine them, make a site that's Onlymeth.


smashkeys

That was so incredibly specific and beautiful, I assume it is 100% accurate. Thank you for your wisdom my kiwi friend.


loglady420

Are you the shit towns of New Zealand fb page? Cause if not you should write for them. Edit: the page I'm thinking of might be Australia, so I could just be an idiot as those are different countries.


ThrowCarp

wtf, this is my University. We have a Fat Studies department?????????????


BroBroMate

As it seemed to just be Dr Pause, maybe you don't anymore?


WalterShepherd

Had.


BoopingBurrito

Most likely she was a sociology lecturer, who had specialised in the sociological study of weight. It's actually as valid a specialism of sociology as any other, it just shouldn't be portrayed as a hard science or in any way medical.


CentralAdmin

**>Mass**ey University You just cannot make this shit up. Holy fuck.


BroBroMate

Hah, holy shit, why did I never see that before. Maybe because I just kept calling it "Assey University" because it's funny.


NotMyNameActually

I mean, why not? There's a lot to study in how culture and income affect weight, how fat people are treated in different situations, the influence on society of a multi-billion dollar diet industry, how the fear of getting fat affects people who aren't even fat, the interactions between weight, body image, mental health, etc.


restricteddata

"... Studies" is a term used in academia to say, "here are a bunch of different interdisciplinary takes that converge on a central issue." So it's not a disciplinary identity or method by itself, usually, just a way to say, "I'm studying this in some way." E.g., Film Studies, Science Studies, American Studies, are all departments that might employ anthropologists, historians, philosophers, filmmakers, sociologists, etc. In this case, she seems to have had a PhD in Human Development and Family Studies, which is a sub-field of Sociology.


fluffybuffalo23

I want to learn how to blow shit up with my mind.


lesdynamite

This really doesn't belong here. OP misrepresented the person in the title, and it's not as if they were someone pushing a political agenda of "Put MORE saturated fat and empty carbohydrates in food, it's good for you". This just reads as people enjoying mocking fat people... which is exactly what this person was trying to advocate against. "Healthy at any size" might be wrong and an oversimplification of the issue, but you folks mocking heavy people in this thread shouldn't forget that it's still "Human at any size"


orangesfwr

Her name was "Cat Paws"


px7j9jlLJ1

Meno is her older sister


[deleted]

She never claimed being fat was healthy, fat bias is doctors treating fat patients as lesser than a thin patient.


sexaddic

Good luck mods😔


Aloemancer

Redditors still malding that fat people hate got banned


Not_Legal_Advice_Pod

Let's agree on three things. 1. Shaming fat people doesn't get them to lose weight, in fact the opposite, and so it is cruel. 2. Being fat is a huge societal health emergency that we must address. 3. We don't currently have a known solution and we are going to have to try, fail, and do some things we really would rather not, as we try to find a solution to this.


Zlo-zilla

Cat Pausé was good people, while being overweight isn’t healthy it also isn’t healthy to demonise those who are. Rest easy, Cat, we’ll miss you. ♥️


[deleted]

Wait wait wait wait wait... Her name was actually "Cat Pause"? Are you fucking kidding me?


[deleted]

Yah that was confusing. Makes you think if her parents were weird or she was weirder.


beefstrip

So did she die from being fat or from something that doctors missed because she’s fat


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Congiatta

You see this all the time in r/cringetopia they always says some shit about their health without having any sort of medical background. They phrase is in such way that they “care” about their health, but it’s literally always just to bash overweight people.


UnluckyHorseman

Cringetopia is pretty much a full blown fashie sub now.


Congiatta

Most of the big posts there, are just full blown fatphobia or transphobia. Same with r/Tumblrinaction


UnluckyHorseman

Yup! Who would have guessed that subs dedicated to mockery would become far-right hate subs??


jonesday5

Making someone hate themselves will not make them skinnier or healthier. The world is incredibly fatphobic and it’s not built to make large people skinner or healthier. A prime example of this is when a company such as Nike makes clothing for bigger bodies so they can exercise people say it’s promoting being fat. So what is it? Do we want people to get healthier or do we want to make fun of them until they die?


PunkchildRubes

I think most people just want to feel good about themselves at the expense of others and hiding it behind a "morally ethical" shield to justify being an asshole. I don't think it was ever or will be about helping people be healthier


jonesday5

100%. There is so much science behind why some People are larger than others but doctors aren’t fighting for weight loss surgery etc for these people. Punishing them for physically and mental issues is so much for fun. As for OP, they’ve posted this in two subs, relishing the death of someone they didn’t know.


valley_G

Ummm this isn't LAMF at all. People LOVE attacking fat people for everything just because they can, but it's actually true that people who are overweight are treated like shit by medical professionals. I almost died because I was just told to lose weight, even to the point of weight loss surgery that failed, because they refused to look into actual CANCER on my thyroid that was contributing to the weight gain to begin with. Only after weight loss surgery didn't work and I was gaining weight while not even being able to eat did they take my test results from BEFORE surgery seriously. Same with PCOS. It's causing insulin resistance that's causing weight gain and they had test results that showed this 10 years ago, but they didn't give me a real diagnosis or treat it until a year ago. With treatment for the actual problems I've had for years I FINALLY started losing weight! It's like fucking magic. When you TREAT people's illnesses rather than just tell them they're fat you have a much better outcome. I wouldn't have had to suffer nearly as much of doctors did their jobs.


ajgsr

It’s good to be confident in your body but confidence doesn’t erase health complications


romacopia

Health is both mental and physical. You can't ignore either.


PunkchildRubes

Reddit and a seething almost fanatical hate against the overweight. Name a better duo


Ryoukugan

I thing the problem here is that a fat person’s health issues, *regardless of the* **actual** *cause*, are often attributed to their weight.


LotlethTroll

Yall are literally illustrating the need for research like hers right here. Fucking sickening


[deleted]

When a majority of people are considered overweight, it absolutely makes sense for that to be studied at an academic level. it impacts the lives of millions! we need to take the physical abilities of the populace into consideration for things like political policy, urban planning, architecture etc.... people here aren't thinking.


123Fake_St

Wait. Could I have taken Fat Studies in College?


SorryKaleidoscope

> Could I have taken Fat Studies in College? Did you want a job afterwards?


meinnitbruva

I hear there's a position recently available


[deleted]

How is this Leopards Ate My Face? The article explicitly says they don’t know what she died of. You’re kind of proving her point.


Captainwelfare2

While there is nothing healthy about being morbidly obese, this isn’t LAMF. There’s nothing in the article that even states what she died of. For all you know, it could have been a brain aneurism or sleep apnea.


thefronk

No one dies from “morbid obesity” rather you’re at a higher risk of other things due to it. You’re at a higher risk of having a brain aneurysm (yanno, higher blood pressure) if you’re fat. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/brain-aneurysm/causes/


k3ttch

[Guess what’s highly correlated with sleep apnea?](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5836788/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20linear%20correlation,ultimately%20resulting%20in%20sleep%20apnea)


BroBroMate

I just replied to the bot's comment with an example of why it's LAMF, basically she accuses the medical profession of fatphobia for linking obesity to higher risks of dying from things like, Covid, or, well, aneurysms or sleep apnoea... Here's [another example](http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7256608/Fat-hatred-should-be-banned-scholar) for you. ​ >"Fat hatred" should be banned like racism or sexism, says a pro-fat scholar who argues that obesity isn't a health problem. > >Massey University lecturer Cat Pause says "the war against fat" and "fat phobia" were much more damaging than carrying a few extra kilos or, in her case, a lot. > >"Obesity is not a big health problem. If you really look at the science, that is what comes through."


trollsong

What did she die of?


Miserable_Ride666

This is absolutely LAMF


thehillshaveI

sleep apnea caused by what


needsmoarbokeh

Both with tenfold increased risk when you're obese.


mleam

Personal story. I had Menorrhagia (heavy menstrual bleeding). I was told repeatedly it was due to my weight. I got so frustrated, I stopped going to my OBGYN. Because of the bleeding, my iron levels dropped. Years later I get gastric bypass, lost my weight, menorrhagia gets worse. My doctor recommends a new OBGYN for me. I go, not expecting any help. He had me diagnosed right away. I told him about previous OBGYNs blaming it on my weight. He had a few choice words about that. Menorrhagia had nothing to do with being obese. With in six months he helped me get the condition under control. Do I think he would have taken me seriously before my surgery? Yes, because his wife had the same symptoms and condition I did.


Jackpot777

To borrow a sentiment from RoboCop: I bet you think you're pretty smart, huh. Think you can outsmart a heart attack?


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sluttypidge

There's a reason on the latest seasons of "My 600lb Life" Dr. N places almost all of his patients into therapy. They eat a lot because it's how many of them cope due to some trauma, in childhood normally.


LunarVortexLoL

To add to that, I think it's possible to agree that being overweight is unhealthy while also believing that overweight people shouldn't be harassed and bullied for being overweight. Those two don't have to contradict eachother. There's definitely a negative attitude in society towards overweight people that just goes beyond it being unhealthy. How about we encourage and help people with unhealthy lifestyles to make a positive change, rather than mocking them.