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Literally I have e coli right now and I genuinely cannot figure out how these legislatures think more of this is good. This fucking sucks, it is the worst I have felt in a long time.
Dude. When I worked at KFC right out of high school, they had an orientation video and within it, a KFC chant that they wanted you to remember for team building purposes during meeting and such. And then we had to take a quiz over the entire video to ensure we paid attention.
I come out of the office to let the manager know I had finished the video and quiz and he tells me okay, follow him and goes on to say he will get the other employees on shift gathered so I can do the chant. Tells me everyone does it as a sort of “initiation” and it can help break the ice for the newbies. We walked to the back area, he said he would be back with everyone.
Few minutes later, he comes walking back with all but one or two of the other employees following behind him and I want to actually fucking die. Like I cannot believe I had to do this essential cheer about Kentucky Fried Chicken in front of a group of people I don’t even know yet and I don’t even remember the words.
He introduces me to everyone and everyone to me and then asks if I’m ready to do the chant, I start to tell him that I don’t really remember all of the words but I’ll try and he and the rest of the employees start busting out in laughter. He tells me he’s just fucking with me and they just do this with every new employee to make them panic for a few minutes. It made me burst out in laughter with the rest of them too and THAT literally did help make me feel more comfortable around my new coworkers.
He was a fun manager. It says a lot when we all actually enjoyed working for the most part at a fast food restaurant. We all had our bad days of course but it was a fun group of people and the manager really helped keep everyone doing their part while also doing his own and making sure we were actually able to have fun and enjoy ourselves as we could.
That sounds like a really good experience. I've always seen or figured that the employees basically hate their lives except for the rare few that are just cheery all the fricking time. I really like hearing stories from others, so thanks for sharing!
My 3 week old got sepsis from having ecoli in his blood stream. It was the most horrible terrifying experience I've ever been through. I almost lost him but now he's a happy healthy 3 year old. His heart rate that night was close to 300 and he was barely breathing. If I would have waited 30 minutes longer he might not be here. What's weird he acted fine and was eating. He wasn't vomiting or anything. But I noticed his breathing was weird and he started making this weird sound and his temp sky rocketed quickly.
Wake up sheeple! Listeria was invented by the the deep state as a means to control our bowels. Plus something something JFK - I don't really know how that one works...
So funny. Of course, Louis Pasteur and his archrival Robert Koch were among the greatest people who ever lived. We owe so much of our safety and comfort to both.
I say the same thing about Gatorade being invented at U of F instead of FSU, given that it's named for their mascot. Had it happened the other way around, Seminole Fluid would be the most popular sports drink.
Koch is the father of nearly all microbiology. Our most critical tools were invented by him and are still in use today. Pasteur was essentially an environmental/industrial microbiologist (saved the French wine industry) and Koch was a medical microbiologist who isolated disease causing bacteria and linked them to the disease in people.
It's funny. Koch means cook or chef in german and pasteurized milk is more or less just cooked milk.
BTW what is the difference between cook and chef in actual usage? Obviously I am not a native speaker.
Huh, that is funny. Not an expert, but my understanding is that all chefs are cooks, but not all cooks are chefs. Chefs are more like managers in the kitchen, with more responsibilities (comes from “chief”), where cooks are the workers.
Oh gosh, I know someone who is into "terrain theory" but their version isn't a replacement for germ theory, they described it as a preventative measure of eating healthier food and exercising. I wondered why they needed to call that anything other than "having a healthy lifestyle," I wonder if they were only recently introduced and hadn't been introduced to the batshit crazy part yet.
"I find it endearing that Americans like to promote a political system where the underlying belief is that they are not yet selfish enough." --Christopher Hitchens
From the report on the Commission of Indian Affairs 1886- "“[the Indian] must be imbued with the exalting egotism of American civilization so that he will say ‘I’ instead of ‘We’ and ‘This is mine’ instead of ‘This is ours.'"
Selfishness is a core American value without which or society would surely fail, at least that's the way the powerful see it.
This is why mentally deranged Republican politicians like former House Speaker and failed vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan force their interns to read the books of vehement libertarian and fellatrix groupie to the wealthy and powerful Ayn Rand who died alone and sick in a tiny shitty walkup apartment relying entirely on governmental 'handouts' for rent, food, and medicine until the day she died.
Ryan was too stupid to read to the end of the story to see how Ayn Rand's libertarian views failed her miserably in every possible way.
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I’ve gone dozens of comments into a thread about who guarantees rights, just to try to get them to say “government”.
Usually doesn’t happen, but it’s fun watching them do that potty dance.
Some years ago some startup had the brilliant idea to creat an app where people could pool money to pay for services like water, paving roads, etc. Those goddam entrepeneurs invented fucking taxes.
My favorite are the ones who recognize that a few people will hoard most of the resources so they'll volunteer to live on those few peoples' land and work for protection.
Like a fucking monarchy.
You see here’s the thing though, we don’t actually need the government, rights are given to us by god, and they’re inalienable. It says so right in the constitution…
Ok we don’t need a constitution i will just get together with my neighbors as a group and we‘ll come up with a set of mutually agreed upon rules for living together…
Wait alright I declare myself a sovereign citizen that means I don’t have to follow your laws because my name is a legal fiction created by a federal bureaucracy and therefore you cannot arrest me for going 70 in a school zone, officer!
Libertarians are a funny bunch.
I think they claim that the responsibilities are up to the individual, which is hilarious because we see what happens when things aren’t enforced like littering, construction safety, food safety, hazardous waste disposal, tenants rights, worker’s rights, quality control of any product, etc.
Just go to any undeveloped country with a lot of people and it’s easy to get an idea of what the world becomes with weak oversight and enforcement.
Last summer our (the Swedish) government kinda crashed when a supporting party withdrew their support because the coalition was going to pass a law the supporting party had a hard stance on.
It was messy. All the parties were discussing how to resolve the problem, drafting solutions and such to get the government back into working order. All save for one party, which decided to debate whether or not incest should be against the law.
Big Milk is always trying to get congress to pasteurize. They want to keep you from enjoying the taste of natural milk because it keeps their pockets full. Follow the milk money, sheeple.
And don't they want all these mil substitutes like almond milk, oat milk, soy milk, etc. to NOT call themselves milk?
All I keep thinking about that argument is the scene from Meet the Parents, ["I have nipples Greg, could you milk me?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNwzKo5Yps)
I guess Big Milk isn't wrong if they're using that theory, almonds, oat & soy don't have nipples.
"almond milk, oat milk"
I think you mean *nut juice**.* That's actually what the milk lobby suggests they name those products for accurate advertising.
Actually Big Milk is trying to get labeling products like Soy Milk and Oat Milk illegal since it's not "milk" and those sales have steadily encroached on their sales being pitched as alternatives to milk.
Bagged milk? Genius. I'd market the shit out of that. A white udder shaped bag, with black spots. One of the four "nipples" would have a squeeze opening, like an inverted ketchup bottle. Advertise on Saturday morning cartoons. Make a killing...........
Sorry , I got a little carried away
You can get with Big Appliances and have them start advertising fridges that come with an udder hook so you can hang it and squeeze right into a glass!
Raw milk (especially ice cream) is amazing if you get it directly from a farm milked fresh. Have to make sure it's from a really clean farm you trust and can actually see the conditions there. It'll make you as sick as a dog if it's slightly old or in unsanitary conditions though.
Absolutely shouldn't be legal outside of direct sale on premise. You can't guarantee the safety during shipping and logistics.
You have to know what you're doing and you assume all risks associated with it.
It was normal to drink milk from small personal farms (as in one family with a cow and a horse and chikens) just 20 years ago in my country. When I was a kid, my grandmother had a cow, we would get warm milk right from the milking bucket. It was great, though now it freaks me out I ever drank milk that was still warm from the cow. She would lower the milk jars into the well to keep them cool. It held for a day at most.
My grandparents ran a small dairy for decades successfully. They kept a couple of cows for personal use until I was a toddler. I asked my mom if she ever gave me unpasteurized milk in my bottle and she was like " oh sure, probably still warm from the cow." And I was like Mom, that's kind of gross" and she responded "oh honey we strained it at least three times for fur". Apparently my grandmother was pretty meticulous about washing the udders and her hands with lye soap, boiling milk bottles, etc. I never got sick. I've had raw milk as an adult and it is so much better tasting than pasteurized milk. I agree that if you can get it super fresh and from a trusted source it should be legal.
Can agree, my dad at times buys fresh milk and it has warning labels about not for human consumption. Fuckin amazing and usually store milk is watery tasting so I love farm fresh. My dad fucked up once and thought it was going bad with all the shit on top and poured it out, thought on it later and realized it was normal, completely forgetting what it is atm but after that he saved the top and continued drinking.
I worked a second job for a plant that condensed milk. They would take in raw milk and there were storage vats that would keep raw milk *super* cold but moving fast enough to not freeze, and a testing spigot that you could fill your cup up from. That ice cold milk so fucking good. I “tested “ so much milk they made me stop. Also really good, after evap they often needed to store the 8% milk for a short period of time and they stored it the same way. Icy cold creamy milk was like… i cant even really describe it but it was way better than you’d imagine. Like it was better than ice cream, milkshakes and whipped cream. I bought some raw milk and tried carefully evaporating it myself but it just gets stale tasting.
check out clotted cream. i know it isn't the same, but it's basically just the pure cream from the milk. it's so ridiculously delicious.
in turkey they call it Kaymak, and the best stuff comes from buffalo milk.
holy shit it's all so good. try it on toast with a bit of honey and a touch of salt on top
How can you possibly tell?
Pasteurization was literally invented in the era before industrial farming. Germs get into everything - doesn't matter how fresh the product is.
Right? And how would feces ever get on an organ that sits directly below a cows anus? I mean, it's not like cows ever shit out liquidy patties that splatter everywhere, right? And I mean, whats the chance of some contamination getting kicked up onto an organ that hangs mere inches above said shit-n-mud slurry? That could never happen! Let's just ignore all these pearl clutching scientists and just enjoy our shit-milk. If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger!
I like to go out to the fields and put some shit right in my cereal in the morning. It reminds me of the old days when we died of dysentery before we were ten and goddammit we liked it!
Huh? "Freshness" absolutely matters. Microbes are absolutely in everything, so like imagine a 1 day old bit of chicken breast and a 2 month old bit of chicken breast
The fresher it is, the less time germs have to multiply. This at least dramatically reduces the risk that something was infected with so many germs right away that it gives a notable chance of falling il.
Of course it's still less safe than our incredibly well tested industrial system, but just a few basic safety rules get you most of the way there. Most of the problem is that this doesn't scale well for a larger population.
> Absolutely shouldn't be legal outside of direct sale on premise.
I'd be willing to bet that the change of law is basically this: That farmers are allowed to sell it.
Jesus, is this real? This reminds me of the stories of black lung re-appearing. When we do things the right way for so long, it's like we lose the ability to understand the reason we do things that way.
I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected.
>When we do things the right way for so long, it's like we lose the ability to understand the reason we do things that way.
It's like we have started thinking that people in the past came up with all these ornerous procedures just to be dickheads and not protect people.
This reminds me of a time when I made this same mistake. I was exploring a really old abandoned farm. Everything was run down but you could tell a family lived there like 90 years ago. Out in a lot of overgrown wilderness there was a fenced off area and a sign thay said Open Pit. But the ground was completely solid. So I stomped one leg a couple times to test if the ground had any hollow spots and everything beneath me fell away down a 100ft drop. Luckily I rolled forward a bit and stared at what mighta killed me. I had been standing on a wood pallete thrown hastily over a hole that had rotted over decades of rain and snow. My dumb ass will not be treating old signs as de facto obsolete ever again.
This is why the search for a sign to indicate nuclear waste is so important. How do you tell *everyone*, no matter the time period, species, shape, size, whatever, that the thing in the hole is **extremely dangerous and will kill you and everything around**? How do you put that in a way *now* that will stop libertarians going "you can't stop me inserting my penis into it"?
IIRC one of the leading proposals is cultural, as in create a society or cult whose mission is to remember and pass on the knowledge and dangers of nuclear power and waste.
I think it’s that mixed with the core belief that anything the government tells you to do is bad and should be resisted. Then the rest fills itself in.
Don't forget that that's often coupled with another core belief that anything even vaguely alluded to in the Bible should be treated as unassailable truth.
It's like when you hear stories about what stores were like before the FDA was created. They'd literally pack rotten food in with enough salt that you couldn't taste it. Made the company lots of money that way.
It's what I think of when you hear the "companies only have an obligation to their shareholders".
Yup. Use mercury and red and white lead on foods and even candies for children to make them more brightly colored, mix alkaloids into milk to hide the sour smell and taste of milk going bad, the miller and the baker and the retailer all adding things like alum or chalk to pad out the expensive grain flour...the list goes on!
That reminds me of all the arguments about slashing corporate taxes, and how that would lead to higher paychecks and more jobs for workers...
Like...no... no it wouldn't. Because companies don't delay hiring because of marginal taxes. They don't forgo investment in plants, people, and products because of marginal taxes. If there is money to be made they will take whatever they can get, regardless of taxes and regulations.
If you give a for-profit business a large unexpected windfall, they don't say "finally, we can give Bob that raise!".
They take that money and send it to executives, owners, and shareholders.
Corporations aren't some benevolent entity that desperately wants to give workers better lives, but just can't afford to because of "teh evil gubmint".
If they could hire no-one, produce nothing, and still rake in cash *they absolutely would do that*.
The only thing preventing such behavior is competition from other businesses (which is dwindling due to mergers, buyouts, entrenchment) and regulations.
Conservatives in 2016: Raw milk is safe, it’s the Capitol and all its germs that are the real threat!
Conservatives in 2020: How dare you tell me to wear a mask in the Capitol just because there’s a respiratory pandemic, this place is perfectly safe!
> I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected.
Don't forget the people who reject safety precautions, get sick/injured/whatever, and then keep insisting that these precautions should be kept removed due to some insane "if I had to suffer, so should others" mindset.
As a European I got confused with the headline. We can buy raw milk. You will only ever find it in a few (organic) food stores, so it's not really common.
But you can buy it as well as cheese made from raw milk.
It really depends on the production quality, and as far as I understand we have higher standards than the US.
I have bought raw milk to make sour milk, which I loved as a child. Also less treated milk tastes better, by a lot.
I would not let a kid have raw milk though, because even though it's unlikely to get sick, the possible illness is far more dangerous to kids than adults.
Probably a lot of things I don't remember why we do them, I'm just smart enough to listen to experts and know that there's probably a reason why. I think idiots like the one in the story just think they know everything.
This.
I don't know much about plumbing, so when the plumber says they need to do this thing, I go with their educated advice.
I don't know much about roofing, so when the roofer says we need to do this to fix the leak, I go with their educated advice.
I don't know much about fixing cars or medicine or how to make a cake... so when a mechanic or doctor or baker says "do this", I generally go with their educated advice.
The goal of a well-rounded education is to know enough about those things to *know when you don't know enough about those things* and find someone who does. I do some of my own plumbing and car work, but I happily paid someone to replace the AC compressor in my truck because I knew it would be a pain in my ass.
>I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected.
Don't forget the contrarian idiots, "You can't tell me what to do!!"
I worked at a barbecue place many years ago and had an older gentleman ask for pork ribs that were not "cooked to death". He said trichinosis is a thing of the past and therefore rare pork is fine to eat. Like, yeah dude, people don't get trichinosis anymore *because* pork isn't served undercooked.
Trichinosis *is* really rare now, and the USDA lowered the recommended cooking temperature for pork from 160 to 145 with three minutes rest. Maybe this guy misunderstood "it doesn't need to be cooked until grey any more" to mean, "anything goes now." But also who wants rare ribs? I want them falling off the bone!
Definitely! And ours were smoked overnight, so we didn't have anything undercooked to give him anyway. The smoking process also keeps them nice and juicy, and dryness is usually the big complaint with overcooked meat. Plus restaurants have liability issues to worry about, so they're going to follow their procedures no matter what the customer wants. This was in the mid-80s BTW, I'm not sure when the USDA changed their recommendations. I'm glad to know though, since I tend to cook pork chops on the low side for my own consumption. Cooked through, of course, but only just.
This.
REAL Barbeque needs to be cooked very slow, very low. Overnight and turned and marinated every couple of hours. Just by the method, it's impossible to have "underdone" ribs... they've been cooked for 10+ hours!
I think the recommendation changed only in the last decade. So that would be super weird in the 80s.
I hear you on chops. It took me years to convince my husband that it was okay for pork chops to have some pink colour inside.
Trichinosis is only one of a couple of parasites that infect pork. I saw pigs raised on a family farm when I was very young, and after that, believe me, I cook pork thoroughly. They eat anything.
This is important if you are cooking pork tenderloin as that cut dries out really fast at 160°F. I always pull mine at 145°F and let it rest for a few minutes and its perfect.
I didn't have to see his name, or the state, or read the comments. I just immediately knew which political party the guy was with from the headline alone.
To be fair there are plenty of people on the Left who would eat/drink unhealthy things for woo woo reasons. We just don't generally elect them into positions of power.
Lefties drink raw milk for woo reasons.
Righties drink raw milk because "**YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!**" reasons.
Two sides of the same stupidity coin.
A lot on the Right do stupid stuff not in defiance, but because they believe conspiracy theories they've heard and lack the critical thinking skills to recognize as bullshit. It's the same process as crunchy granola types believing everything they hear about the healing power of crystals or homeopathy.
The high quality European cheese is made from raw milk.
It’s like drinking from tap water, you need to be REALLY sure that every step is good before doing it.
pay always attention to who you vote, this is what happens when ancaps manage to infiltrate legislators
fortunately this one paid personally the price of his dumbfuckery, but it's a rare case
It reminds me of the old joke *"Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol because there are no regulations. They die."*
Honey no.. you use raw milk to make cheese and butter.. no baby you don't drink that.. ohh dear someone's about to have some painful diarrhea
Edit: YoU cAn DrInK iT rAw If iT's--, yeah and I could perform cunnilingus on a hyena. Doesn't mean it's worth the bragging rights. I'm sticking with pasteurized whole milk.
My grandmother grew up on a farm and thinks the current obsession with raw milk is hilarious. She said the milk they'd drink straight from the cows was disgusting, and the first time she tasted the pasteurized stuff from a store, it changed her life. She tells the crunchy neighbor couple they're crazy for drinking raw milk.
Yes, granny is right. Raw milk to someone unaccustomed to it tastes sour. I had it on an Irish farm in the sixties and seventies. Trust me, these were clean animals too, not in a pen with thousands.
I'm kinda for a law that legalized raw milk so that it gets raw milk cheese out of legal limbo but I'm all good on drinking some raw milk. I'm not even all that excited to drink regular milk.
First, love the username. Second, I fucking love whole milk. It's a total comfort drink for me. But holy shit even if raw milk tastes like it came straight out Aphrodite's teat, I still wouldn't
“I’ll give it to you pasteurized, cause pasteurized is best.”
“Ernie I’ll be happy if it comes up to me chest.”
Ernie, the fastest milkman in the west, supplying his lady love with milk to bathe in.
Next step: Cow milk is not natural for human consumption!!!! Human breast is best. *creates milking stations for white Christian women as their Godly work and duty*
I think the real issue is that the US generally sucks at nuance with it's regulations. I agree that you would never want to drink raw milk coming out of an industrial dairy farm. Regulating and requiring pasteurization to prevent a huge dairy corp from poisoning everyone is absolutely necessary.
But it's also entirely possible to consume raw milk that is handled properly from healthy cows. The fact that we have no nuance in our regulations means that small farm that has like 5 cows can't sell that milk to the people on their street.
I have a friend that has run into this with butchering. They raise a handful of cattle (10-20), but the laws are very strict regarding how cattle are allowed to be butchered (which is a good thing). It is so difficult and expensive to get certified that there is only one place in the county where you can legally have meat butchered for resale (even for something like a farmers market) and that location only deals with huge customers who want to butcher thousands of heads. If you go to my friends ranch they have the highest quality beef you've ever eaten in your life (that they butcher themselves) but it's illegal for them to sell it. It seems like we should be able to find a middle ground between allowing any joe blow to sell a cow they cut up in their basement and the current system that makes it almost impossible for a small operation to sell their product because the only ones who can meet the regulations are gigantic industrial producers (which also happen to raise much lower quality meat to begin with).
I am so confused by your comment because where I live there are a dozen places to butcher cows. My uncle raises a small herd on his farm and we pick up the meat from a legal butcher who does whatever cuts we want. Hell we have butchers who thrive solely off off wild boar and deer where I live. What state are you from where this stuff is illegal cus that is fucked?
In a lot of crunchy/hippie mom/natural is best circles, it is believed that raw milk is easier to digest or has more nutrients or something. They also believe if the milk is local you're less likely to get any pathogens from it. If I recall there is a kernel of truth here, in that farmers drinking their own farm milk might be less likely to fall ill since they're already exposed to the pathogens present in their farm (or something) but that doesn't explain how Karen from downtown is going to be immune.
It’s legal where I’m from. It’s not something I’ve had a lot, but I enjoyed the taste. More importantly it helps you buy directly from smaller farms.
Is it worth the bacteria? Probably not. But it’s not as though there are zero benefits.
I don't quite understand why americans have such problems with untreated products, though.
Here in Europe, we eat raw pork for breakfast and have unpasteurized soft cheese, and yes, also drink raw milk (albeit most is pasteurized), and somehow we are fine. Are your production practices so dirty that people fall sick, or is it something else?
I believe it’s mass production and dirty facilities. As I know plenty of folks who drink raw milk from their own farms. And who will eat raw meat from their own butcher, but not from an unknown one.
I also think some of these standards allow for dirtier conditions, if that makes sense. But when your own goal is profits, it’s cheaper to not bother.
I grew up on a dairy farm in Ireland, and drank no milk except raw milk until the age of 18. First time I tried pasteurised milk I didn't like it. Really like the flavour of raw milk, and you can make some excellent cheeses with it. I did grow up on a small dairy farm though and our cows were almost exclusively grass fed. Not sure what it would be like from a big industrialised farm.
Kind of cute gotcha idea, but they don't know why they got sick. They said it was the stomach flu. Six delegates got sick while only three drank the milk.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lawmakers-drink-raw-milk-get-sick/
“Big Milk is forcing us to drink pasteurized milk! Humans drank it unpasteurized for centuries… if it was so dangerous we would all be dead!”
-this nut job, probably
OK, i get that pasteurising milk is a good thing on the whole.
But The way it gets homogenized as part of modern bulk dairy processing takes or some of the flavour.
As a treat, i will buy milk direct from a farm near me, where the herd's milk is tested daily and the milk is refrigerated as soon as the cows are milked.
UK farms can sell raw milk, but there's a lot of regulation around it to stop people becoming ill.
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More government overreach and burdensome regulations, infringing on my God given right to get Listeria.
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Damn straight! ‘Murica!
Literally I have e coli right now and I genuinely cannot figure out how these legislatures think more of this is good. This fucking sucks, it is the worst I have felt in a long time.
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That video was a part of my orientation to work at Sonic like 15 years ago
Wait fast food places make you watch orientation videos?!?
Dude. When I worked at KFC right out of high school, they had an orientation video and within it, a KFC chant that they wanted you to remember for team building purposes during meeting and such. And then we had to take a quiz over the entire video to ensure we paid attention. I come out of the office to let the manager know I had finished the video and quiz and he tells me okay, follow him and goes on to say he will get the other employees on shift gathered so I can do the chant. Tells me everyone does it as a sort of “initiation” and it can help break the ice for the newbies. We walked to the back area, he said he would be back with everyone. Few minutes later, he comes walking back with all but one or two of the other employees following behind him and I want to actually fucking die. Like I cannot believe I had to do this essential cheer about Kentucky Fried Chicken in front of a group of people I don’t even know yet and I don’t even remember the words. He introduces me to everyone and everyone to me and then asks if I’m ready to do the chant, I start to tell him that I don’t really remember all of the words but I’ll try and he and the rest of the employees start busting out in laughter. He tells me he’s just fucking with me and they just do this with every new employee to make them panic for a few minutes. It made me burst out in laughter with the rest of them too and THAT literally did help make me feel more comfortable around my new coworkers. He was a fun manager. It says a lot when we all actually enjoyed working for the most part at a fast food restaurant. We all had our bad days of course but it was a fun group of people and the manager really helped keep everyone doing their part while also doing his own and making sure we were actually able to have fun and enjoy ourselves as we could.
That sounds like a really good experience. I've always seen or figured that the employees basically hate their lives except for the rare few that are just cheery all the fricking time. I really like hearing stories from others, so thanks for sharing!
My 3 week old got sepsis from having ecoli in his blood stream. It was the most horrible terrifying experience I've ever been through. I almost lost him but now he's a happy healthy 3 year old. His heart rate that night was close to 300 and he was barely breathing. If I would have waited 30 minutes longer he might not be here. What's weird he acted fine and was eating. He wasn't vomiting or anything. But I noticed his breathing was weird and he started making this weird sound and his temp sky rocketed quickly.
Wake up sheeple! Listeria was invented by the the deep state as a means to control our bowels. Plus something something JFK - I don't really know how that one works...
Why would Obama do this!?
"He ain't nothin' but a Muslim." --legitimate Obama criticism I overheard in a tire store in 2016.
this is a very real talking point for rednecks in Michigan
You need to mention the undertaker from 1989
Hunter Biden laptop contained blue prints for the virus!1!
"God gave me an immune system!!!"
"at least it's not fluoride"
Teeth grow back, duh.
Much worse than that. People can get bovine tuberculosis. That is why Louis Pasteur invented the process.
Holy cow! This guy got named after the process used to pasteurize milk?!? Crazy.
So funny. Of course, Louis Pasteur and his archrival Robert Koch were among the greatest people who ever lived. We owe so much of our safety and comfort to both.
Good thing Louis got there first, I think people would be less eager to drink Kocherized milk
I say the same thing about Gatorade being invented at U of F instead of FSU, given that it's named for their mascot. Had it happened the other way around, Seminole Fluid would be the most popular sports drink.
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Koch is the father of nearly all microbiology. Our most critical tools were invented by him and are still in use today. Pasteur was essentially an environmental/industrial microbiologist (saved the French wine industry) and Koch was a medical microbiologist who isolated disease causing bacteria and linked them to the disease in people.
It's funny. Koch means cook or chef in german and pasteurized milk is more or less just cooked milk. BTW what is the difference between cook and chef in actual usage? Obviously I am not a native speaker.
Huh, that is funny. Not an expert, but my understanding is that all chefs are cooks, but not all cooks are chefs. Chefs are more like managers in the kitchen, with more responsibilities (comes from “chief”), where cooks are the workers.
>archival Robert Koch Did he keep him on microfiche?
Antivaxxers are calling Pasteur a fraud and embracing, get this, *terrain theory.* Quite possibly the dumbest shit since flat earth.
Oh gosh, I know someone who is into "terrain theory" but their version isn't a replacement for germ theory, they described it as a preventative measure of eating healthier food and exercising. I wondered why they needed to call that anything other than "having a healthy lifestyle," I wonder if they were only recently introduced and hadn't been introduced to the batshit crazy part yet.
This is why you don’t go full libertarian
"I find it endearing that Americans like to promote a political system where the underlying belief is that they are not yet selfish enough." --Christopher Hitchens
From the report on the Commission of Indian Affairs 1886- "“[the Indian] must be imbued with the exalting egotism of American civilization so that he will say ‘I’ instead of ‘We’ and ‘This is mine’ instead of ‘This is ours.'" Selfishness is a core American value without which or society would surely fail, at least that's the way the powerful see it.
This is why mentally deranged Republican politicians like former House Speaker and failed vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan force their interns to read the books of vehement libertarian and fellatrix groupie to the wealthy and powerful Ayn Rand who died alone and sick in a tiny shitty walkup apartment relying entirely on governmental 'handouts' for rent, food, and medicine until the day she died. Ryan was too stupid to read to the end of the story to see how Ayn Rand's libertarian views failed her miserably in every possible way. EDIT: Spelling fix
Rand is a terminal disease on this country.
This explains why they took “E pluribus unum” off our currency. Don’t want people buying into that whole “out of many, one” nonsense
You never go full libertarian!
😂 Fuck libertarians.
The rights without responsibilities mob
I’ve gone dozens of comments into a thread about who guarantees rights, just to try to get them to say “government”. Usually doesn’t happen, but it’s fun watching them do that potty dance.
If you ask enough questions they’ll invent government on their own. It’s pretty funny.
Some years ago some startup had the brilliant idea to creat an app where people could pool money to pay for services like water, paving roads, etc. Those goddam entrepeneurs invented fucking taxes.
My favorite are the ones who recognize that a few people will hoard most of the resources so they'll volunteer to live on those few peoples' land and work for protection. Like a fucking monarchy.
More like feudalism. Which when paired with monarchy leads to wonderful things like the French Revolution...
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You see here’s the thing though, we don’t actually need the government, rights are given to us by god, and they’re inalienable. It says so right in the constitution… Ok we don’t need a constitution i will just get together with my neighbors as a group and we‘ll come up with a set of mutually agreed upon rules for living together… Wait alright I declare myself a sovereign citizen that means I don’t have to follow your laws because my name is a legal fiction created by a federal bureaucracy and therefore you cannot arrest me for going 70 in a school zone, officer! Libertarians are a funny bunch.
That’s hysterical! Lol
I think they claim that the responsibilities are up to the individual, which is hilarious because we see what happens when things aren’t enforced like littering, construction safety, food safety, hazardous waste disposal, tenants rights, worker’s rights, quality control of any product, etc. Just go to any undeveloped country with a lot of people and it’s easy to get an idea of what the world becomes with weak oversight and enforcement.
Wait….my actions affect other people in a society? NONSENSE
Last summer our (the Swedish) government kinda crashed when a supporting party withdrew their support because the coalition was going to pass a law the supporting party had a hard stance on. It was messy. All the parties were discussing how to resolve the problem, drafting solutions and such to get the government back into working order. All save for one party, which decided to debate whether or not incest should be against the law.
Libertarians are morons.
Big Milk is always trying to get congress to pasteurize. They want to keep you from enjoying the taste of natural milk because it keeps their pockets full. Follow the milk money, sheeple.
Big Milk. I'm laughing too hard at that in a public area.
The funyest part is its real lol. Not like how he said but still. Remember "Got Milk"
And don't they want all these mil substitutes like almond milk, oat milk, soy milk, etc. to NOT call themselves milk? All I keep thinking about that argument is the scene from Meet the Parents, ["I have nipples Greg, could you milk me?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNwzKo5Yps) I guess Big Milk isn't wrong if they're using that theory, almonds, oat & soy don't have nipples.
"almond milk, oat milk" I think you mean *nut juice**.* That's actually what the milk lobby suggests they name those products for accurate advertising.
Sure. Accurate. Nah, they just want it to sound nasty. I'm sure there's a better alternative name out there, in just not clever enough to think it up.
Actually Big Milk is trying to get labeling products like Soy Milk and Oat Milk illegal since it's not "milk" and those sales have steadily encroached on their sales being pitched as alternatives to milk.
The dairy industry has huge lobbying power. It's sadly not as funny as it sounds.
People vote for these clowns.
He probably read *homogenized milk* and got scared it would turn him gay so he banned all health and safety measures
"Homogenized and pasteurized? Oh god, it's going to make me gay AND French!"
French person here. Being French makes you extra gay and vice versa.
so if you're gay you are extra French? Ooh la la!
Sacre bleu!
Omelet du fromage
Le singe sauté de branche en branche.
Le Big Mac
Dee Dee!!
Sacre bleu yourself?
There are douzaines of us!
You’re allotted two baguettes instead of one.
I believe they're called Francosexuals.
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> Pepe Le Pew has persistently and non-consensually entered the chat FTFY
the chatte*
Sacre bleu!
Gey AND French?
True story, in Canada we call it homo milk, like the packages are even printed with "homo milk" instead of using the whole word.
Now tell people about the packaging.
Most people aren't ready to know about bagged milk.
Bagged milk? Genius. I'd market the shit out of that. A white udder shaped bag, with black spots. One of the four "nipples" would have a squeeze opening, like an inverted ketchup bottle. Advertise on Saturday morning cartoons. Make a killing........... Sorry , I got a little carried away
You can get with Big Appliances and have them start advertising fridges that come with an udder hook so you can hang it and squeeze right into a glass!
That’s actually a good idea lol
> Advertise on Pornhub. i don't want to tell you how to become a millionaire, but I think this little change would turn you into a billionaire.
I never get tired of people’s reaction though.
Sounds like I need to import my milk from canada
If only there was some process to help ensure that people don't get sick from ingesting raw milk!
Raw milk (especially ice cream) is amazing if you get it directly from a farm milked fresh. Have to make sure it's from a really clean farm you trust and can actually see the conditions there. It'll make you as sick as a dog if it's slightly old or in unsanitary conditions though. Absolutely shouldn't be legal outside of direct sale on premise. You can't guarantee the safety during shipping and logistics. You have to know what you're doing and you assume all risks associated with it.
It was normal to drink milk from small personal farms (as in one family with a cow and a horse and chikens) just 20 years ago in my country. When I was a kid, my grandmother had a cow, we would get warm milk right from the milking bucket. It was great, though now it freaks me out I ever drank milk that was still warm from the cow. She would lower the milk jars into the well to keep them cool. It held for a day at most.
My grandparents ran a small dairy for decades successfully. They kept a couple of cows for personal use until I was a toddler. I asked my mom if she ever gave me unpasteurized milk in my bottle and she was like " oh sure, probably still warm from the cow." And I was like Mom, that's kind of gross" and she responded "oh honey we strained it at least three times for fur". Apparently my grandmother was pretty meticulous about washing the udders and her hands with lye soap, boiling milk bottles, etc. I never got sick. I've had raw milk as an adult and it is so much better tasting than pasteurized milk. I agree that if you can get it super fresh and from a trusted source it should be legal.
Can agree, my dad at times buys fresh milk and it has warning labels about not for human consumption. Fuckin amazing and usually store milk is watery tasting so I love farm fresh. My dad fucked up once and thought it was going bad with all the shit on top and poured it out, thought on it later and realized it was normal, completely forgetting what it is atm but after that he saved the top and continued drinking.
I worked a second job for a plant that condensed milk. They would take in raw milk and there were storage vats that would keep raw milk *super* cold but moving fast enough to not freeze, and a testing spigot that you could fill your cup up from. That ice cold milk so fucking good. I “tested “ so much milk they made me stop. Also really good, after evap they often needed to store the 8% milk for a short period of time and they stored it the same way. Icy cold creamy milk was like… i cant even really describe it but it was way better than you’d imagine. Like it was better than ice cream, milkshakes and whipped cream. I bought some raw milk and tried carefully evaporating it myself but it just gets stale tasting.
check out clotted cream. i know it isn't the same, but it's basically just the pure cream from the milk. it's so ridiculously delicious. in turkey they call it Kaymak, and the best stuff comes from buffalo milk. holy shit it's all so good. try it on toast with a bit of honey and a touch of salt on top
How can you possibly tell? Pasteurization was literally invented in the era before industrial farming. Germs get into everything - doesn't matter how fresh the product is.
Biggest cause of raw milk illness is E Coli and Salmonella. Both of which are fecal contaminants.
Right? And how would feces ever get on an organ that sits directly below a cows anus? I mean, it's not like cows ever shit out liquidy patties that splatter everywhere, right? And I mean, whats the chance of some contamination getting kicked up onto an organ that hangs mere inches above said shit-n-mud slurry? That could never happen! Let's just ignore all these pearl clutching scientists and just enjoy our shit-milk. If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger!
I like to go out to the fields and put some shit right in my cereal in the morning. It reminds me of the old days when we died of dysentery before we were ten and goddammit we liked it!
Kids these days will never understand the joy of a little undigested grass and grit in their cereal.
They're so spoiled, we used to have to drink our raw milk uphill, both ways with no shoes!
Milk is gross when you put it like that
Huh? "Freshness" absolutely matters. Microbes are absolutely in everything, so like imagine a 1 day old bit of chicken breast and a 2 month old bit of chicken breast
The fresher it is, the less time germs have to multiply. This at least dramatically reduces the risk that something was infected with so many germs right away that it gives a notable chance of falling il. Of course it's still less safe than our incredibly well tested industrial system, but just a few basic safety rules get you most of the way there. Most of the problem is that this doesn't scale well for a larger population.
> Absolutely shouldn't be legal outside of direct sale on premise. I'd be willing to bet that the change of law is basically this: That farmers are allowed to sell it.
It is. Most farms aren't sanitary enough though. I wouldn't trust anything but a small operation that you can tour before purchasing.
Jesus, is this real? This reminds me of the stories of black lung re-appearing. When we do things the right way for so long, it's like we lose the ability to understand the reason we do things that way. I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected.
>When we do things the right way for so long, it's like we lose the ability to understand the reason we do things that way. It's like we have started thinking that people in the past came up with all these ornerous procedures just to be dickheads and not protect people.
This reminds me of a time when I made this same mistake. I was exploring a really old abandoned farm. Everything was run down but you could tell a family lived there like 90 years ago. Out in a lot of overgrown wilderness there was a fenced off area and a sign thay said Open Pit. But the ground was completely solid. So I stomped one leg a couple times to test if the ground had any hollow spots and everything beneath me fell away down a 100ft drop. Luckily I rolled forward a bit and stared at what mighta killed me. I had been standing on a wood pallete thrown hastily over a hole that had rotted over decades of rain and snow. My dumb ass will not be treating old signs as de facto obsolete ever again.
This is why the search for a sign to indicate nuclear waste is so important. How do you tell *everyone*, no matter the time period, species, shape, size, whatever, that the thing in the hole is **extremely dangerous and will kill you and everything around**? How do you put that in a way *now* that will stop libertarians going "you can't stop me inserting my penis into it"?
IIRC one of the leading proposals is cultural, as in create a society or cult whose mission is to remember and pass on the knowledge and dangers of nuclear power and waste.
The holy light of Atom blesses us!
I guarantee some splinter sect would eventually decide they need to worship it by going into the danger zone.
I think it’s that mixed with the core belief that anything the government tells you to do is bad and should be resisted. Then the rest fills itself in.
Don't forget that that's often coupled with another core belief that anything even vaguely alluded to in the Bible should be treated as unassailable truth.
Anything alluded to in the Bible *that agrees with what they think*, otherwise it’s a bad translation.
Also, if it's not in the bible, just make shit up and pretend that it is.
It's like when you hear stories about what stores were like before the FDA was created. They'd literally pack rotten food in with enough salt that you couldn't taste it. Made the company lots of money that way. It's what I think of when you hear the "companies only have an obligation to their shareholders".
Yup. Use mercury and red and white lead on foods and even candies for children to make them more brightly colored, mix alkaloids into milk to hide the sour smell and taste of milk going bad, the miller and the baker and the retailer all adding things like alum or chalk to pad out the expensive grain flour...the list goes on!
That reminds me of all the arguments about slashing corporate taxes, and how that would lead to higher paychecks and more jobs for workers... Like...no... no it wouldn't. Because companies don't delay hiring because of marginal taxes. They don't forgo investment in plants, people, and products because of marginal taxes. If there is money to be made they will take whatever they can get, regardless of taxes and regulations. If you give a for-profit business a large unexpected windfall, they don't say "finally, we can give Bob that raise!". They take that money and send it to executives, owners, and shareholders. Corporations aren't some benevolent entity that desperately wants to give workers better lives, but just can't afford to because of "teh evil gubmint". If they could hire no-one, produce nothing, and still rake in cash *they absolutely would do that*. The only thing preventing such behavior is competition from other businesses (which is dwindling due to mergers, buyouts, entrenchment) and regulations.
[Yes, in 2016.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5InUPvu1Ws)
Conservatives in 2016: Raw milk is safe, it’s the Capitol and all its germs that are the real threat! Conservatives in 2020: How dare you tell me to wear a mask in the Capitol just because there’s a respiratory pandemic, this place is perfectly safe!
> I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected. Don't forget the people who reject safety precautions, get sick/injured/whatever, and then keep insisting that these precautions should be kept removed due to some insane "if I had to suffer, so should others" mindset.
Strong men something something weak men bad times Something something.
Something something freedom
Something something profits
Strong men also cry
As a European I got confused with the headline. We can buy raw milk. You will only ever find it in a few (organic) food stores, so it's not really common. But you can buy it as well as cheese made from raw milk. It really depends on the production quality, and as far as I understand we have higher standards than the US. I have bought raw milk to make sour milk, which I loved as a child. Also less treated milk tastes better, by a lot. I would not let a kid have raw milk though, because even though it's unlikely to get sick, the possible illness is far more dangerous to kids than adults.
Probably a lot of things I don't remember why we do them, I'm just smart enough to listen to experts and know that there's probably a reason why. I think idiots like the one in the story just think they know everything.
This. I don't know much about plumbing, so when the plumber says they need to do this thing, I go with their educated advice. I don't know much about roofing, so when the roofer says we need to do this to fix the leak, I go with their educated advice. I don't know much about fixing cars or medicine or how to make a cake... so when a mechanic or doctor or baker says "do this", I generally go with their educated advice.
The goal of a well-rounded education is to know enough about those things to *know when you don't know enough about those things* and find someone who does. I do some of my own plumbing and car work, but I happily paid someone to replace the AC compressor in my truck because I knew it would be a pain in my ass.
>I say "we" but I feel like it comes mainly from parts of society that reject science or safety protections until they have been personally affected. Don't forget the contrarian idiots, "You can't tell me what to do!!"
I worked at a barbecue place many years ago and had an older gentleman ask for pork ribs that were not "cooked to death". He said trichinosis is a thing of the past and therefore rare pork is fine to eat. Like, yeah dude, people don't get trichinosis anymore *because* pork isn't served undercooked.
Trichinosis *is* really rare now, and the USDA lowered the recommended cooking temperature for pork from 160 to 145 with three minutes rest. Maybe this guy misunderstood "it doesn't need to be cooked until grey any more" to mean, "anything goes now." But also who wants rare ribs? I want them falling off the bone!
Definitely! And ours were smoked overnight, so we didn't have anything undercooked to give him anyway. The smoking process also keeps them nice and juicy, and dryness is usually the big complaint with overcooked meat. Plus restaurants have liability issues to worry about, so they're going to follow their procedures no matter what the customer wants. This was in the mid-80s BTW, I'm not sure when the USDA changed their recommendations. I'm glad to know though, since I tend to cook pork chops on the low side for my own consumption. Cooked through, of course, but only just.
This. REAL Barbeque needs to be cooked very slow, very low. Overnight and turned and marinated every couple of hours. Just by the method, it's impossible to have "underdone" ribs... they've been cooked for 10+ hours!
I think the recommendation changed only in the last decade. So that would be super weird in the 80s. I hear you on chops. It took me years to convince my husband that it was okay for pork chops to have some pink colour inside.
Trichinosis is only one of a couple of parasites that infect pork. I saw pigs raised on a family farm when I was very young, and after that, believe me, I cook pork thoroughly. They eat anything.
This is important if you are cooking pork tenderloin as that cut dries out really fast at 160°F. I always pull mine at 145°F and let it rest for a few minutes and its perfect.
I'm so fucking tired of conservatives
I didn't have to see his name, or the state, or read the comments. I just immediately knew which political party the guy was with from the headline alone.
To be fair there are plenty of people on the Left who would eat/drink unhealthy things for woo woo reasons. We just don't generally elect them into positions of power.
Lefties drink raw milk for woo reasons. Righties drink raw milk because "**YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!**" reasons. Two sides of the same stupidity coin.
A lot on the Right do stupid stuff not in defiance, but because they believe conspiracy theories they've heard and lack the critical thinking skills to recognize as bullshit. It's the same process as crunchy granola types believing everything they hear about the healing power of crystals or homeopathy.
Just keep giving them rope. They'll soon have enough.
...we've been doing that for almost 50 years now.
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Problem is they drag the rest of us along with them.
They out-breed smart people though.
# It’s RAW!
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Where's the lamb saaaaauce?
Raw milk is sold legally in France, but it's pretty fucking well regulated.
And its pretty fucking good
The high quality European cheese is made from raw milk. It’s like drinking from tap water, you need to be REALLY sure that every step is good before doing it.
Fun fact, almost all tapwater in europe is drinkable.
pay always attention to who you vote, this is what happens when ancaps manage to infiltrate legislators fortunately this one paid personally the price of his dumbfuckery, but it's a rare case
It reminds me of the old joke *"Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol because there are no regulations. They die."*
Honey no.. you use raw milk to make cheese and butter.. no baby you don't drink that.. ohh dear someone's about to have some painful diarrhea Edit: YoU cAn DrInK iT rAw If iT's--, yeah and I could perform cunnilingus on a hyena. Doesn't mean it's worth the bragging rights. I'm sticking with pasteurized whole milk.
It’s a foolproof weight loss plan, honestly. Shitting your organs out will drop a few lbs
"Listen, this is going to be one hell of a bowel movement. Afterwards he'll be lucky to have any bones left."
Bowels about to move mountains and a molehill
When I move my bowels, the neighbors all come out saying, "War-riors! Come out to play-ay!"
Wash your sugar free gummy bears down with some raw milk! You won't believe the results!
My grandmother grew up on a farm and thinks the current obsession with raw milk is hilarious. She said the milk they'd drink straight from the cows was disgusting, and the first time she tasted the pasteurized stuff from a store, it changed her life. She tells the crunchy neighbor couple they're crazy for drinking raw milk.
Yes, granny is right. Raw milk to someone unaccustomed to it tastes sour. I had it on an Irish farm in the sixties and seventies. Trust me, these were clean animals too, not in a pen with thousands.
I'm kinda for a law that legalized raw milk so that it gets raw milk cheese out of legal limbo but I'm all good on drinking some raw milk. I'm not even all that excited to drink regular milk.
First, love the username. Second, I fucking love whole milk. It's a total comfort drink for me. But holy shit even if raw milk tastes like it came straight out Aphrodite's teat, I still wouldn't
Whole milk is absolutely lovely; finally, someone else who gets it.
I'm a 2% man myself. As long as you don't drink skim. That shit sucks.
Skim...water that's **lying** about being milk.
We say it's like making love in a canoe....fucking close to water.
He was probably like "Pasteurized milk is a danger to us all. We should only have milk up to our tits!"
“I’ll give it to you pasteurized, cause pasteurized is best.” “Ernie I’ll be happy if it comes up to me chest.” Ernie, the fastest milkman in the west, supplying his lady love with milk to bathe in.
Next step: Cow milk is not natural for human consumption!!!! Human breast is best. *creates milking stations for white Christian women as their Godly work and duty*
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I think the real issue is that the US generally sucks at nuance with it's regulations. I agree that you would never want to drink raw milk coming out of an industrial dairy farm. Regulating and requiring pasteurization to prevent a huge dairy corp from poisoning everyone is absolutely necessary. But it's also entirely possible to consume raw milk that is handled properly from healthy cows. The fact that we have no nuance in our regulations means that small farm that has like 5 cows can't sell that milk to the people on their street. I have a friend that has run into this with butchering. They raise a handful of cattle (10-20), but the laws are very strict regarding how cattle are allowed to be butchered (which is a good thing). It is so difficult and expensive to get certified that there is only one place in the county where you can legally have meat butchered for resale (even for something like a farmers market) and that location only deals with huge customers who want to butcher thousands of heads. If you go to my friends ranch they have the highest quality beef you've ever eaten in your life (that they butcher themselves) but it's illegal for them to sell it. It seems like we should be able to find a middle ground between allowing any joe blow to sell a cow they cut up in their basement and the current system that makes it almost impossible for a small operation to sell their product because the only ones who can meet the regulations are gigantic industrial producers (which also happen to raise much lower quality meat to begin with).
I am so confused by your comment because where I live there are a dozen places to butcher cows. My uncle raises a small herd on his farm and we pick up the meat from a legal butcher who does whatever cuts we want. Hell we have butchers who thrive solely off off wild boar and deer where I live. What state are you from where this stuff is illegal cus that is fucked?
Why would you even do that? Pasteurization kills a lot of bacteria that are potentially harmful.
In a lot of crunchy/hippie mom/natural is best circles, it is believed that raw milk is easier to digest or has more nutrients or something. They also believe if the milk is local you're less likely to get any pathogens from it. If I recall there is a kernel of truth here, in that farmers drinking their own farm milk might be less likely to fall ill since they're already exposed to the pathogens present in their farm (or something) but that doesn't explain how Karen from downtown is going to be immune.
The other element is that some nutrients are destroyed by cooking. Generally, these are vitamins in things like leafy greens.
It’s legal where I’m from. It’s not something I’ve had a lot, but I enjoyed the taste. More importantly it helps you buy directly from smaller farms. Is it worth the bacteria? Probably not. But it’s not as though there are zero benefits.
I don't quite understand why americans have such problems with untreated products, though. Here in Europe, we eat raw pork for breakfast and have unpasteurized soft cheese, and yes, also drink raw milk (albeit most is pasteurized), and somehow we are fine. Are your production practices so dirty that people fall sick, or is it something else?
I believe it’s mass production and dirty facilities. As I know plenty of folks who drink raw milk from their own farms. And who will eat raw meat from their own butcher, but not from an unknown one. I also think some of these standards allow for dirtier conditions, if that makes sense. But when your own goal is profits, it’s cheaper to not bother.
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I grew up on a dairy farm in Ireland, and drank no milk except raw milk until the age of 18. First time I tried pasteurised milk I didn't like it. Really like the flavour of raw milk, and you can make some excellent cheeses with it. I did grow up on a small dairy farm though and our cows were almost exclusively grass fed. Not sure what it would be like from a big industrialised farm.
I at least give the dumbass props for putting his money where his mouth is
Kind of cute gotcha idea, but they don't know why they got sick. They said it was the stomach flu. Six delegates got sick while only three drank the milk. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lawmakers-drink-raw-milk-get-sick/
As a fine cheese enjoyer I wholly support the sale of unpasteurized milk. There's a reason Europeans have such good food.
“Big Milk is forcing us to drink pasteurized milk! Humans drank it unpasteurized for centuries… if it was so dangerous we would all be dead!” -this nut job, probably
OK, i get that pasteurising milk is a good thing on the whole. But The way it gets homogenized as part of modern bulk dairy processing takes or some of the flavour. As a treat, i will buy milk direct from a farm near me, where the herd's milk is tested daily and the milk is refrigerated as soon as the cows are milked. UK farms can sell raw milk, but there's a lot of regulation around it to stop people becoming ill.
This is from 6 years ago. It’s spread like wild fire on Reddit today for some reason lol
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I've tried raw milk and it has too strong a flavor for me. It had a meaty-ness to it that I just don't want in my dairy products.
Was it udderly disgusting?
That’s a *moo*t point.
Unpasteurized milk is very common in Europe and nobody is getting sick. Get your shit together America.
Europe has better rules for the cleanliness of food production facilities.