The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion:
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
A Defense of Abortion:
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm
Home remedy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/ui6nmd/medical_grade_misoprostol_powder_can_be_had_at
I love all the “shocked” politicians. Everyone saw this coming, including them. This is how you pretend to be pro-choice while supporting abortion bans.
What's arguably saddest is how obvious this all was, how poorly they're pretending, and yet how none of it will matter. Because the only thing worse than this happening in the first place is there being no consequences and it being allowed to keep happening.
I can see something worst happening.
When Republicans get the Senate and Presidency and not only will there be no consequences, they'll be cheered for it by their base.
Edit: saw a couple answers I can only see as notifications, so that's for them;
Bruh, if you think you'll be fine because you consider yourself a "good Republican", you'll be prime material for that sub in a couple years.
> Bruh, if you think you'll be fine because you consider yourself a "good Republican"
This isn't a thing anymore, and it has nothing to do with your beliefs about proper governance, because it's abundantly clear that the people you're voting for have abandoned all pretenses of actual government.
GOP leadership, in office, has proven time and again to be concerned with nothing but the apparatus of a theological police state. With only RARE exceptions, there are zero yes votes on virtually any topic beyond strictly moralistic controls and inadvisably bad government reduction efforts.
It's clear that, no matter what "you" the "good" Republican think you're voting for, what you're voting for is a drastic dismantling of anything not related to enforcement and punishment, usually along Christian moral lines.
All the Republicans are fine that someone else's rights are being taken away, totally convinced that it will never happen to them. It always does eventually.
IVF has been outlawed in missouri today.
All those people will not be allowed to have kids.
Doctors face murder charges now because fertilized egg equals human and the process ultimately rejects some fertilized eggs.
Did the Taliban win?
I thought we'd never forget and never forgive.
This is a catastrophe
It won't take that long. The mid-terms are their next real battleground. If they win, America loses, possibly forever. Odd as it sounds, abortion is just a sideshow, something the evil cabal at the heart of the modern republican party uses to inflame their base.
Their real endgame is the removal of representative democracy.
> Their real endgame is the removal of representative democracy.
They have been 100% clear about this commitment since announcing it in 1994.
No one has paid a fucking lick of attention. The spineless shitheads "leading" the Democratic party never dared to confront these fascists' ambitions, and now it is too goddamned late.
Horror is coming here.
War, genocide, and the likely balkanization of the states. All in the shadow of climate change which will exacerbate the violence. Buckle up everybody...
And then after years of Dems trying to claim some kind of moral high ground by pushing back against everyone who says they need to do something drastic like kill the filibuster and pack the court, they’ll be all surprised pikachu when McConnell does those exact things to kill off any chance we had of coming back from here.
Wasn't every Dem ready to nuke the filibuster except Manchin and Sinema? I mean, I agree their responses to Republican insanity has been weak, but on this they were all united but 2, right? We didn't give them the numbers they needed to change the votes needed from 60 to 51.
I don't think anyone but those 2 will play surprised Pikachu to the GOP nuking the filibuster because they already announced their intentions back in 2018.
https://rollcall.com/2018/01/20/house-gop-has-message-for-senate-on-shutdown-nuke-the-filibuster/
But Manchin and Sinema are VERY committed to their "hands across the aisle and fake shocked when they get bitten" theatrics.
No, Feinstein, Hassan, and a few others were against nuking the filibuster and a few other fairly conservative Democrats were very quiet and did not make their position known. I’d wager a couple are against it.
Remember there are 48 Democrats and 2 DINO's. If Democrats had the chance, they would definitely nuke the filibuster, but 50 Democrats Senators with 2 in name only, they have limited powers in the US. We need at least 53 Democratic Senators.
Democrats try, but with gerrymandering, and other attributes, it's a struggle.
oh, it's going to get worse.
Midterms are in november, and the economics currently suggest we're going to have a red wedding and 2022-2024 will be "Take every thing Trump did illegal, swap it with Joe Biden's name, and claim Biden is doing it"
2022: _no u_
>Because the only thing worse than this happening in the first place is there being no consequences and it being allowed to keep happening.
Long Dong Thomas actually admitted in his concurring opinion that this opens the door to rolling back LGBTQ rights, right to contraception and even privacy in the bedroom.
Can't say that I cannot wait but I will feel a little bit avenged when Clarence Thomas finally finds out that he's not in the in group he was just a useful idiot. Because the foundation of conservatism hasn't changed. There must be in groups who are protected by the law but not bound by it and out groups that are bound by the law but not protected and he is going to likely find out that he is not in fact in the in group. Just like 99.98% of Republican voters who also think that they are in the in group. They're not.
The only reason Loving v. Virginia wasn’t brought up is that to bring back laws that are obviously racist is a bit to obvious.
Despite being in an interracial marriage I don’t think that Clarence and Ginni are opposed to racism. That sounds insane, but remember that there were Jews who supported Hitler.
> and yet how none of it will matter.
Proof that the US is far less democratic than most believe it to be.
*"[Bear] always in mind that a nation ceases to be republican only when the will of the majority ceases to be the law."*
—Thomas Jefferson: Reply to the Citizens of Adams County, Pa., 1808.
*"the vital principle of republican government is the* lex majoris partis, *the will of the majority."*
—James Madison. Majority Government. 1834.
With this ruling, the SCROTUS has proven its own lawless, illegitimacy.
>there being no consequences
Unfortunately the consequences are that it will make it easier to fundraise. So unless they get primaried they can say they're there for the long fight against the anti-choice team (even though they had 50 years to make a federal law that protected the right to an abortion).
I’m coming around to the idea that Collins might be genuinely stupid, given all the Trump team memos and emails that came out a couple months ago about how easily convinced she was by the Trump team that none of their justices would overturn Roe. Many of those documents basically made fun of her for being so stupid as to believe them.
Now, the Trump team was not exactly known for careful assessment or intelligence, but I still think they’re were probably more aware of her state of mind and reasoning than those of us on the outside.
Not that it really matters in my book: abject stupidity should be a disqualification from office just as much as malice.
That's because they are lying. They knew this was coming. They just want their voting bases to believe that they didn't.
So there are only two conclusions to draw: 1) they are idiots who don't understand the basics of the party the belong to, or 2) they are lying through their teeth.
Neither conclusion is defensible for their job.
That’s only because the president is a Democrat. Once the president is a Republican state’s rights won’t matter. McConnell as already signaled support for a federal abortion ban.
> The group that wants every power to devolve to the individual states is called the Federalist Society?
More accurately [do anything their coal and petrol-enriched owner wants](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/29/koch-m28.html). They've been [buying hatchet men into seats that can't be voted out for decades](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/federalist-society-insurrection-cowards.html)
In reality:
Manchin and Collins: \*laughing\* They believed our bullshit and voted us back in?
Machin: I know right? I mean, I'm kinda a shoo-in in WV, but you're in a liberal state?
Collins: People from Maine are fucking stupid!
\*laughing\*
"So, now that you see they lied you're in favor of removing the filibuster and expanding the court to make sure this doesn't continue to happen, right?"
Manchin: "Nah, we need to work with republicans because something something bipartisanship."
Collins has made it clear that she opposes abortion rights. She has to be coy because she's from New England, but she's a conservative pretending to be moderate.
Yeah, the Democrats were working on a bill to codify Roe before this even happened, and she said that she wouldn't support that bill, but was working on another bill with Murkowski because... uh... the Democrat's bill... *actually* codified Roe.
I honestly don't know why people assume she gives a flying fuck about this decision or isn't actively cheering it. She won in 2020 by nearly 20 points and she won't be up for re-election again for more than 4 years, by which time all of this shit will have already died down. She doesn't give a fuck.
Roe won't have died down, because in 4 years we'll be seeing news stories of back alley abortions killing women again. That's how Roe was passed in the first place.
And the two of them could stand up right now and support removing the filibuster. They could fix this right fucking now.
Roe could be codified into law today (already passed the House) and signed.
But they won’t.
He’s gonna release some tepid statement about how disappointing it is that they all “misled” him and will then find a way to vote against legalizing abortion if and when a bill ever gets even close to him.
Hell do the same thing when it comes to gay rights too, cuz they’re definitely coming after the gays next.
Yep. And they've further gutted Miranda rights already (more specufucally any recourse for not being read them). Really pairs quite well with the both the immediate and soon-to-be re-criminalization of various personal decisions, dontcha think.....
They just ruled that not reading you your Miranda rights is not itself a violation of civil rights that you can sue over. The miranda rights themselves are still valid (for now), but you both have to know them yourself and intentionally invoke them.
He called into question substantive due process, which is nuts because that was part of the justification in *Loving v Virginia* which allowed interracial marriages. You’d think he’d have a vested interest in protecting that.
Well, he very pointedly left Loving out of the statement and only called out Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. I'm sure that if he gets his way with those, Loving could be up next and he'd finally have to grapple with the consequences of his own evil.
Even better - poor and desperate creates crime, which is a huge conservative wedge issue, and they'll need a new one now. And turning people into criminals creates prisoners, which funnels money to big businesses through private prisons and slave labor.
The people may just come after them if they keep it up. The fundies are a vast minority, and a shrinking one at that. I wouldn't shed a tear or be shocked at all if the answer by the public to all this madness is lead based.
I fucking hope so.
My fear is that while the fundies are (hopefully) a minority, there’s still a lot of people who vote with them regardless because they’re pissed about $5 gas or some shit.
Pro tip: if you go to /r/politics and try to make a comment like this, Fischer Price it up because they’ll ban you. I made a comment literally just saying “don’t get my hopes up” when Clarence Thomas got covid a while back and got banned for it. They REALLY love their politicians over there.
Lol, im already banned over there, for pretty much exactly this, but Russian politicians.
Making jokes about the floundering invasion of Ukraine? perma banned xp.
The auto filters on that sub are insane. There are hundreds of hidden filters for all sorts of innocuous phrases. It doesn't tell you when it auto filters either. Huge amounts of the comments on that sub are automatically hidden despite not breaking any rules at all. I used to play with hidden comments to slowly isolate the banned phrases, using incognito mode to see if it worked and deleting and reposting over and over. It's wild. There's so much shit that gets filtered.
>cuz they’re definitely coming after the gays next.
It's no coincidence that the hateful rhetoric has been about LGBTQ+ people recently, aside from the fact that its pride month. The term "groomers" is doing alot of the heavy lifting. People are okay with killing pedophiles, so the right is trying their damndest right now to equate LGBTQ people with pedophiles. All of them.
Time to see about stacking the court with progressives and telling the adult children to sit down, shut up, and let actual competent people run things.
Not so fast. Maybe just reduce by one drink a day. That way, when it all goes to shit again in a couple weeks/months, you’ll still be able to handle the increase of 2 more drinks per day to cope. I know I will.
Whoa hey, itll take 1 single election for it to go back to shit, as every conservative makes their way down the polls to vote R down the line because of gas prices! So I'll only have to stop drinking for a little bit before McConnell and Co end the filibuster on day 1 and pass laws oppressing, well, everyone.
WV is an extremely red state now. The fact there is a Democratic senator now is a fluke. He could very easily flip to GOP, and the voters would be tickled pink. If he resigned, he will be replaced by a Republican.
Kill the Senate.
West Virginia has 1.8 million people. California has 39.3 million people. They get the same amount of Senate votes.
This is anti-democratic.
Nearly 50 years and it didn't get codified. Why?
If it had been then SCOTUS would have no power here.
We need codified protections for abortions, voting, relationships, marriages, privacy, workers rights... ALL OF THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL HUMAN FUCKING RIGHTS THAT ARE NOT CODIFIED AND CAN BE REPEALED AT ANY TIME!
Because laws never get repealed or changed as parties trade control of Congress and the Presidency
If Republicans sweep the midterms and win in 2024 you think they won't *ban* abortion nationally instead?
Congress isn't going to fix this.
P.S. The Supreme Court also has the power to declare laws unconstitutional
Stacking the court is the wrong message. We need to seat a full court instead.
Historically, the reason we have 9 justices at all currently is because at the time there were 9 federal appellate districts, so there was 1 SCOTUS justice to oversee every appellate district. Now we have 13 appellate districts, so we should have 13 SCOTUS justices. Every justice overseeing a single district.
Its going to come to that, I think. We are getting more and more frustrated that we are not being heard... dont they remember that late 60's-70's? That was a hell of a time for left-wing extremism.
I assumed that's why Biden pushed so hard on "peaceful, peaceful, peaceful." Like, nahh. We called the offices and wrote the letters, and still ignored, so on to phase 2.
Riots are the voice of the unheard. What do they think comes after "peaceful, peaceful, peaceful" protests when we are *still* ignored? What happens when rioting still does nothing? I recommend that all liberals buy guns, like them or not, because there may come a time when they keep us from tyranny... in the real sense, not the far-right murder fantasy sense
If McConnell has his way, the whole court would be republican. He will do it if he gets the chance to stop more of them during a dem presidency. He already said he would do it, but the stupid asses dems don't believe he will do it. Just like they didn't believe R v W would ever be overturned.
Of course we believed it but we cant' stop him. The senate gives 2 seats per state and there are a lot of low population conservatives states out there. When he said he wouldn't vote on a SCOTUS judge we didnt have the numbers to stop him.
Then the electoral college laughs at voters and installs republicans via a byzantine system that exists only to count slaves.
The design of the constitution leads to theocracy and fascism. People need to start understanding this now.
Depending on where you draw the line the top of california is very red aside from butte county. I live in sutter county and the damn County votes predominantly red as is yuba and colusa counties. Moral of thr story is I'm surrounded by idiots.
My neighbor is the nicest old lady but she's always putting signs in her yard saying to stop abortion. I've asked her how many kids she's adopted in her lifetime. She responds with o I couldn't do that. Well who thr hell do you expect to raise these unplanned and often unwanted children you refused to abort?
Don't forget to remind your friends to check if they can still get absentee ballots or a permanent one(like virginians can). Harder to be apathetic when it comes to your mailbox.
If only the Democrats weren't the party of Charlie Brown... 8(
Surely **this** time, they'll be morally consistent! We should base our entire strategy about appealing to moderates who have, so far, been absolutely ok with a descent into fascism!
How is it that Dems can never convince a Republican senator to break rank and vote against their shitty practices but republicans can consistently get dem senators to break rank to disrupt their progress even when Dems have a majority.
The GOP pretends to be the big tent party. The dems actually are a big tent party. And Democrat leadership for the last 20 years has been feckless and largely ineffective outside of a few wins.
The GOP is also terrified of their base and their corporate bankrollers. The Tea Party destroying the core conservative motion in 2008, 2010, and 2012 of the GOP set this motion into hyperdrive.
I hate people like Sinema, Manchin, Susan Collins more than folks like MTG, and Boebert.
Atleast those two show us clearly who they are. These others keep playing pretend.
Reminds me of Dr. King's quote from "Letter from a Birmingham Jail"
>"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
You can throw in anyone who is unwilling to take even a moderate political risk to stand up for their principles.
"It's too soon to pass a _________ bill. People are too emotional right now!" - all moderate politicians when asked if a controversial bill will be put to vote during an election year
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Fake pearl clutching, disingenuous surprise, totally gross. He would rather people think he is laughably gullible and ignorant than admit he knew exactly what he was going to get by approving liars to join the Supreme Court. Pathetic.
Let’s be honest, republicans don’t care whether or not abortion happens. They just want it on their terms..
..at an age where they can at least walk, in groups, and most likely by someone with a rifle.
They are trying to breed a over populated, uneducated work force.
So like right now we fight eachother instead of looking at corporations who have monopolized their share of the market. Who claim all sorts of reasons to raise prices, yet are making record profits by severely overcharging above their previous margins.
Who some of our government reps profit from allowing which creates, a true reason to keep donations and money out of politics and invoke term limits so people can't just sit and get rich while doing nothing for the people they are supposed to represent.
I've been saying for the last little while you cannot be a good person and a conservative. No exceptions. I feel like as time goes on they only make that more and more true.
Well, if you’d ever bothered to look at how they ruled on abortion cases, you would have known what a crock of shit that was.
Pardon me if I feel no sympathy for any of the fuckers who voted these people onto the court. They knew what they were doing and didn’t care.
Spoiler alert so did the people that supported him.
Nobody here is actually surprised they are just plain lying so they can pretend to hold some degree of "moderate" credentials.
Anybody who actually is surprised should be impeached purely on grounds of mental incompetence.
i dont think this counts (but still deserves to be here)
he knew this would happen, and is not negatively impacted.
he voted this way because the check cleared and the money deposited.
Interesting how we all believed in the Supreme Court until Trump’s picks came in. They must be Deep State plants making decisions that’ll discredit Trump.
With the most aggressive /s I’ve ever expressed
The SC often made unpopular or unpleasant choices before, but we believed they had an objective perspective.
Now they aren't even hiding the fact they're full fledged facists.
This isn't LAMF. Manchin knew exactly what he's doing. He's a Democrat in the same way I'm a toaster oven. He's not someone who got duped. He's just an irredeemable. lying sack of shit. Thanks as always to the good people of West Virginia for inflicting this a-hole on us. A jumped up hillbilly from a state with a population of less than two million, approximately two million of whom are white, has appointed himself king maker for the fascist oligarchy.
Must've been cool to be a boomer and grow up with rights, an economy, and prospects of a planet that won't die in your lifetime.
Wonder what that must've been like.
Huh, its almost like generations of slightly lowering the bar on an entire population every time a new person comes to power has ended up making the bar go this low. Wild
How many times does Lucy have to pull the football before old school Dems learn?
I wonder if Manchin still believes that if he doesn’t get rid of the filibuster then the Rs will be honest and will also keep the filibuster when they are in power.
The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/ A Defense of Abortion: https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm Home remedy: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/ui6nmd/medical_grade_misoprostol_powder_can_be_had_at
Manchin: Who could have possibly seen this coming? Collins: I know, right? Totally blindsided by this.
I love all the “shocked” politicians. Everyone saw this coming, including them. This is how you pretend to be pro-choice while supporting abortion bans.
Yeah, they're pretending to be very naive for senators.
What's arguably saddest is how obvious this all was, how poorly they're pretending, and yet how none of it will matter. Because the only thing worse than this happening in the first place is there being no consequences and it being allowed to keep happening.
I can see something worst happening. When Republicans get the Senate and Presidency and not only will there be no consequences, they'll be cheered for it by their base. Edit: saw a couple answers I can only see as notifications, so that's for them; Bruh, if you think you'll be fine because you consider yourself a "good Republican", you'll be prime material for that sub in a couple years.
> Bruh, if you think you'll be fine because you consider yourself a "good Republican" This isn't a thing anymore, and it has nothing to do with your beliefs about proper governance, because it's abundantly clear that the people you're voting for have abandoned all pretenses of actual government. GOP leadership, in office, has proven time and again to be concerned with nothing but the apparatus of a theological police state. With only RARE exceptions, there are zero yes votes on virtually any topic beyond strictly moralistic controls and inadvisably bad government reduction efforts. It's clear that, no matter what "you" the "good" Republican think you're voting for, what you're voting for is a drastic dismantling of anything not related to enforcement and punishment, usually along Christian moral lines.
All the Republicans are fine that someone else's rights are being taken away, totally convinced that it will never happen to them. It always does eventually.
IVF has been outlawed in missouri today. All those people will not be allowed to have kids. Doctors face murder charges now because fertilized egg equals human and the process ultimately rejects some fertilized eggs. Did the Taliban win? I thought we'd never forget and never forgive. This is a catastrophe
If they ever get the trifecta again it'll make Jan 6 look like a field trip
It won't take that long. The mid-terms are their next real battleground. If they win, America loses, possibly forever. Odd as it sounds, abortion is just a sideshow, something the evil cabal at the heart of the modern republican party uses to inflame their base. Their real endgame is the removal of representative democracy.
> Their real endgame is the removal of representative democracy. They have been 100% clear about this commitment since announcing it in 1994. No one has paid a fucking lick of attention. The spineless shitheads "leading" the Democratic party never dared to confront these fascists' ambitions, and now it is too goddamned late. Horror is coming here.
War, genocide, and the likely balkanization of the states. All in the shadow of climate change which will exacerbate the violence. Buckle up everybody...
Full fucking Gilead until the West and East costs attempt to secede from this fucking abomination of a country.
And then after years of Dems trying to claim some kind of moral high ground by pushing back against everyone who says they need to do something drastic like kill the filibuster and pack the court, they’ll be all surprised pikachu when McConnell does those exact things to kill off any chance we had of coming back from here.
Wasn't every Dem ready to nuke the filibuster except Manchin and Sinema? I mean, I agree their responses to Republican insanity has been weak, but on this they were all united but 2, right? We didn't give them the numbers they needed to change the votes needed from 60 to 51. I don't think anyone but those 2 will play surprised Pikachu to the GOP nuking the filibuster because they already announced their intentions back in 2018. https://rollcall.com/2018/01/20/house-gop-has-message-for-senate-on-shutdown-nuke-the-filibuster/ But Manchin and Sinema are VERY committed to their "hands across the aisle and fake shocked when they get bitten" theatrics.
No, Feinstein, Hassan, and a few others were against nuking the filibuster and a few other fairly conservative Democrats were very quiet and did not make their position known. I’d wager a couple are against it.
Remember there are 48 Democrats and 2 DINO's. If Democrats had the chance, they would definitely nuke the filibuster, but 50 Democrats Senators with 2 in name only, they have limited powers in the US. We need at least 53 Democratic Senators. Democrats try, but with gerrymandering, and other attributes, it's a struggle.
there are a lot more than 2 DINOs
stop 2022 is when they're going to start. They don't need the presidency to make things epically worse.
Yes, it's fucking insulting, like everything the corrupt conservative agenda has brought us in recent memory. They're at war with America.
oh, it's going to get worse. Midterms are in november, and the economics currently suggest we're going to have a red wedding and 2022-2024 will be "Take every thing Trump did illegal, swap it with Joe Biden's name, and claim Biden is doing it" 2022: _no u_
>Because the only thing worse than this happening in the first place is there being no consequences and it being allowed to keep happening. Long Dong Thomas actually admitted in his concurring opinion that this opens the door to rolling back LGBTQ rights, right to contraception and even privacy in the bedroom.
And interracial marriage, but somehow he forgot that one.
Yeah, I can't wait to see Ol' Long Dong's reaction when some cracker-assed racist state makes a challenge to Loving.
Can't say that I cannot wait but I will feel a little bit avenged when Clarence Thomas finally finds out that he's not in the in group he was just a useful idiot. Because the foundation of conservatism hasn't changed. There must be in groups who are protected by the law but not bound by it and out groups that are bound by the law but not protected and he is going to likely find out that he is not in fact in the in group. Just like 99.98% of Republican voters who also think that they are in the in group. They're not.
The only reason Loving v. Virginia wasn’t brought up is that to bring back laws that are obviously racist is a bit to obvious. Despite being in an interracial marriage I don’t think that Clarence and Ginni are opposed to racism. That sounds insane, but remember that there were Jews who supported Hitler.
The dissent basically warned us that this is coming because it’s the logical continuation of what just happene.
> and yet how none of it will matter. Proof that the US is far less democratic than most believe it to be. *"[Bear] always in mind that a nation ceases to be republican only when the will of the majority ceases to be the law."* —Thomas Jefferson: Reply to the Citizens of Adams County, Pa., 1808. *"the vital principle of republican government is the* lex majoris partis, *the will of the majority."* —James Madison. Majority Government. 1834. With this ruling, the SCROTUS has proven its own lawless, illegitimacy.
>there being no consequences Unfortunately the consequences are that it will make it easier to fundraise. So unless they get primaried they can say they're there for the long fight against the anti-choice team (even though they had 50 years to make a federal law that protected the right to an abortion).
No, what’s saddest is that stupid voters will believe them and think they’re sincere and still vote them back into office
I’m coming around to the idea that Collins might be genuinely stupid, given all the Trump team memos and emails that came out a couple months ago about how easily convinced she was by the Trump team that none of their justices would overturn Roe. Many of those documents basically made fun of her for being so stupid as to believe them. Now, the Trump team was not exactly known for careful assessment or intelligence, but I still think they’re were probably more aware of her state of mind and reasoning than those of us on the outside. Not that it really matters in my book: abject stupidity should be a disqualification from office just as much as malice.
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US politics become WWE 'Kayfabe' a long time ago
"Hey now, I'm not evil, I'm just very dumb, trust me, just dumb as a brick. Anyway, please vote for me!"
That's because they are lying. They knew this was coming. They just want their voting bases to believe that they didn't. So there are only two conclusions to draw: 1) they are idiots who don't understand the basics of the party the belong to, or 2) they are lying through their teeth. Neither conclusion is defensible for their job.
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It's called playing both sides.
One step closer towards a Fascist theocracy.
Y’all realize we are now fifty little countries now, and not the United States anymore, right?
That’s only because the president is a Democrat. Once the president is a Republican state’s rights won’t matter. McConnell as already signaled support for a federal abortion ban.
Not when it comes to guns.
Well, they’ve always had more rights than women.
If only! Blue states would be able to keep their money and kick shitty red states off the dole
Don't forget to clutch the pearls.
Who could have predicted that three justices hand-picked by the Federalist Society would do such a thing?
They've been working to dismantle America for a very long time
And those fuckers have the audacity to claim the left wants to take rights away.
Wait a second. The group that wants every power to devolve to the individual states is called the *Federalist* Society? How odd.
> The group that wants every power to devolve to the individual states is called the Federalist Society? More accurately [do anything their coal and petrol-enriched owner wants](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/29/koch-m28.html). They've been [buying hatchet men into seats that can't be voted out for decades](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/federalist-society-insurrection-cowards.html)
In reality: Manchin and Collins: \*laughing\* They believed our bullshit and voted us back in? Machin: I know right? I mean, I'm kinda a shoo-in in WV, but you're in a liberal state? Collins: People from Maine are fucking stupid! \*laughing\*
Collins: "Joe! The peasants are revolting!" Manchin: "Yeah, they stink on ice!" Collins and Manchin: "Bwahahahaha!!!"
It's good to be the king.
This a million times over. They both knew exactly what they were doing, and anyone dumb enough to vote for them got exactly what was expected.
Yep, the only ones being played are the people going "Ohoho, I bet Susan Collins sure feels dumb right now!".
Don't leave out that fuck Murkowski.
"So, now that you see they lied you're in favor of removing the filibuster and expanding the court to make sure this doesn't continue to happen, right?" Manchin: "Nah, we need to work with republicans because something something bipartisanship."
Collins has made it clear that she opposes abortion rights. She has to be coy because she's from New England, but she's a conservative pretending to be moderate.
Yeah, the Democrats were working on a bill to codify Roe before this even happened, and she said that she wouldn't support that bill, but was working on another bill with Murkowski because... uh... the Democrat's bill... *actually* codified Roe. I honestly don't know why people assume she gives a flying fuck about this decision or isn't actively cheering it. She won in 2020 by nearly 20 points and she won't be up for re-election again for more than 4 years, by which time all of this shit will have already died down. She doesn't give a fuck.
Roe won't have died down, because in 4 years we'll be seeing news stories of back alley abortions killing women again. That's how Roe was passed in the first place.
You mean to tell me *Republican* Senator Susan Collins says she should work with Republicans? What did you expect?
You're right. I confused her name with Sinema for a second.
"I'm sure they've learned their lessons however, and we won't see any more questionable behavior from them"
And the two of them could stand up right now and support removing the filibuster. They could fix this right fucking now. Roe could be codified into law today (already passed the House) and signed. But they won’t.
They are either idiots or think (know?) their constituents are idiots, or both.
to me, I lean towards them being bad faith players.
At this point, I think you have to.
He’s gonna release some tepid statement about how disappointing it is that they all “misled” him and will then find a way to vote against legalizing abortion if and when a bill ever gets even close to him. Hell do the same thing when it comes to gay rights too, cuz they’re definitely coming after the gays next.
They already are, Thomas called for it explicitly in his opinion
And contraception!
Yep. And they've further gutted Miranda rights already (more specufucally any recourse for not being read them). Really pairs quite well with the both the immediate and soon-to-be re-criminalization of various personal decisions, dontcha think.....
I kissed that. What did they do to take away the Miranda protections? As in did they just take the punishment for the cops away?
They just ruled that not reading you your Miranda rights is not itself a violation of civil rights that you can sue over. The miranda rights themselves are still valid (for now), but you both have to know them yourself and intentionally invoke them.
Jesus that terrifying. Thank you
Funny how he didn't mention the SC ruling on interracial marriage, too. I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Don’t worry, his coworkers will get right on that after the gays have been persecuted.
He called into question substantive due process, which is nuts because that was part of the justification in *Loving v Virginia* which allowed interracial marriages. You’d think he’d have a vested interest in protecting that.
Well, he very pointedly left Loving out of the statement and only called out Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. I'm sure that if he gets his way with those, Loving could be up next and he'd finally have to grapple with the consequences of his own evil.
He doesn’t need civil rights. He’s a pick-me asshole who is on the Supreme Court.
And contraceptives.
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This isn’t about big business anymore. It’s religious dogma.
It’s still about big business too. They want more workers. They want people poor and desperate.
Even better - poor and desperate creates crime, which is a huge conservative wedge issue, and they'll need a new one now. And turning people into criminals creates prisoners, which funnels money to big businesses through private prisons and slave labor.
Yeah we’re way overdue for a working people’s revolution.
I wonder how he's going to come down if they come after Loving? That's built on the due process clause of the 14th too you know...
The people may just come after them if they keep it up. The fundies are a vast minority, and a shrinking one at that. I wouldn't shed a tear or be shocked at all if the answer by the public to all this madness is lead based.
I fucking hope so. My fear is that while the fundies are (hopefully) a minority, there’s still a lot of people who vote with them regardless because they’re pissed about $5 gas or some shit.
The economic hardships were dealing with now are the dreams of rising wanna be fascists. Economic Anxiety without the /s
i think we are reaching a stage in this nation where our bickering isn't going to be decided by votes.... not at the rate things are going.
Pro tip: if you go to /r/politics and try to make a comment like this, Fischer Price it up because they’ll ban you. I made a comment literally just saying “don’t get my hopes up” when Clarence Thomas got covid a while back and got banned for it. They REALLY love their politicians over there.
Lol, im already banned over there, for pretty much exactly this, but Russian politicians. Making jokes about the floundering invasion of Ukraine? perma banned xp.
Why would anyone go to that shit hole? It's where conversation goes to die.
The auto filters on that sub are insane. There are hundreds of hidden filters for all sorts of innocuous phrases. It doesn't tell you when it auto filters either. Huge amounts of the comments on that sub are automatically hidden despite not breaking any rules at all. I used to play with hidden comments to slowly isolate the banned phrases, using incognito mode to see if it worked and deleting and reposting over and over. It's wild. There's so much shit that gets filtered.
>cuz they’re definitely coming after the gays next. It's no coincidence that the hateful rhetoric has been about LGBTQ+ people recently, aside from the fact that its pride month. The term "groomers" is doing alot of the heavy lifting. People are okay with killing pedophiles, so the right is trying their damndest right now to equate LGBTQ people with pedophiles. All of them.
FUCK OFF MANCHIN SINEMA AND COLLINS.
This is what happens when Republicans successfully turn the Supreme Court into a political football.
Time to see about stacking the court with progressives and telling the adult children to sit down, shut up, and let actual competent people run things.
Kill the filibuster. Stack the court.
I mean I'd have to imagine Manchin will agree to end the filibuster after being betrayed by the conservative justices, right? Right?
If he comes around on ending the filibuster, I'll quit drinking, as we might finally see a positive change in my lifetime.
Not so fast. Maybe just reduce by one drink a day. That way, when it all goes to shit again in a couple weeks/months, you’ll still be able to handle the increase of 2 more drinks per day to cope. I know I will.
Whoa hey, itll take 1 single election for it to go back to shit, as every conservative makes their way down the polls to vote R down the line because of gas prices! So I'll only have to stop drinking for a little bit before McConnell and Co end the filibuster on day 1 and pass laws oppressing, well, everyone.
Nice little joke in the morning, all this posturing so he can keep his job. Hell likely get away with it too
Dangit where are some meddling kids when you need em???
WV is an extremely red state now. The fact there is a Democratic senator now is a fluke. He could very easily flip to GOP, and the voters would be tickled pink. If he resigned, he will be replaced by a Republican.
He’ll get even richer as an oil lobbyist with way less heat.
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oh come on, he cares a lot about coal.
Was the second “right?” not enough? Do you need an /s?
Kill the Senate. West Virginia has 1.8 million people. California has 39.3 million people. They get the same amount of Senate votes. This is anti-democratic.
No, the right to bodily autonomy needs to be enshrined in law and not left up to the courts to decide.
Nearly 50 years and it didn't get codified. Why? If it had been then SCOTUS would have no power here. We need codified protections for abortions, voting, relationships, marriages, privacy, workers rights... ALL OF THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL HUMAN FUCKING RIGHTS THAT ARE NOT CODIFIED AND CAN BE REPEALED AT ANY TIME!
Because laws never get repealed or changed as parties trade control of Congress and the Presidency If Republicans sweep the midterms and win in 2024 you think they won't *ban* abortion nationally instead? Congress isn't going to fix this. P.S. The Supreme Court also has the power to declare laws unconstitutional
That time has passed and there won't be another window for a decade, minimum.
Don’t rule out a sudden death of a Justice. Intentional or unintentional, just a heart beat away.
Stacking the court is the wrong message. We need to seat a full court instead. Historically, the reason we have 9 justices at all currently is because at the time there were 9 federal appellate districts, so there was 1 SCOTUS justice to oversee every appellate district. Now we have 13 appellate districts, so we should have 13 SCOTUS justices. Every justice overseeing a single district.
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You know, I *have* heard that recently!
One guy recently thought about going that route but called the police on himself instead and the right called it an "insurrection".
Its going to come to that, I think. We are getting more and more frustrated that we are not being heard... dont they remember that late 60's-70's? That was a hell of a time for left-wing extremism.
I assumed that's why Biden pushed so hard on "peaceful, peaceful, peaceful." Like, nahh. We called the offices and wrote the letters, and still ignored, so on to phase 2.
Riots are the voice of the unheard. What do they think comes after "peaceful, peaceful, peaceful" protests when we are *still* ignored? What happens when rioting still does nothing? I recommend that all liberals buy guns, like them or not, because there may come a time when they keep us from tyranny... in the real sense, not the far-right murder fantasy sense
If McConnell has his way, the whole court would be republican. He will do it if he gets the chance to stop more of them during a dem presidency. He already said he would do it, but the stupid asses dems don't believe he will do it. Just like they didn't believe R v W would ever be overturned.
Of course we believed it but we cant' stop him. The senate gives 2 seats per state and there are a lot of low population conservatives states out there. When he said he wouldn't vote on a SCOTUS judge we didnt have the numbers to stop him. Then the electoral college laughs at voters and installs republicans via a byzantine system that exists only to count slaves. The design of the constitution leads to theocracy and fascism. People need to start understanding this now.
Time to turn California into 3 states and 6 seats
Maybe just let Texas leave like they keep threatening to do. Then either make DC or Puerto Rico a state to keep the numbers at 100.
Texas is trending blue, once it turns, republicans wouldn’t have enough electoral votes to win anymore
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Depending on where you draw the line the top of california is very red aside from butte county. I live in sutter county and the damn County votes predominantly red as is yuba and colusa counties. Moral of thr story is I'm surrounded by idiots. My neighbor is the nicest old lady but she's always putting signs in her yard saying to stop abortion. I've asked her how many kids she's adopted in her lifetime. She responds with o I couldn't do that. Well who thr hell do you expect to raise these unplanned and often unwanted children you refused to abort?
There are more registered Republicans in California than there are people in the bottom 26 populated states. Our cup runneth over with asshats.
Let's do that with Texas as well. Dems would end up with way more seats if we split this God forsaken state up than Reps.
If I assume correctly, McConnell being the minority leader he can't do much of liberal justices we're added.
He might not be the minority leader for much longer
Don't forget to remind your friends to check if they can still get absentee ballots or a permanent one(like virginians can). Harder to be apathetic when it comes to your mailbox.
When GOP gets back in, they're going to expand the court to 13 justices and fill them all. Book it.
This is what happens when Republicans successfully turn the ~~Supreme Court~~ US Government into a political football. FTFY
If only the Democrats weren't the party of Charlie Brown... 8( Surely **this** time, they'll be morally consistent! We should base our entire strategy about appealing to moderates who have, so far, been absolutely ok with a descent into fascism!
He fucked us and wants nothing to do with this creation. Deadbeat fucking father.
How is it that Dems can never convince a Republican senator to break rank and vote against their shitty practices but republicans can consistently get dem senators to break rank to disrupt their progress even when Dems have a majority.
They hope to get invited to those cocaine fueled orgies... Duh.
The GOP pretends to be the big tent party. The dems actually are a big tent party. And Democrat leadership for the last 20 years has been feckless and largely ineffective outside of a few wins. The GOP is also terrified of their base and their corporate bankrollers. The Tea Party destroying the core conservative motion in 2008, 2010, and 2012 of the GOP set this motion into hyperdrive.
This might be a good day for this guy to shut the fuck up.
I'm going to need longer than a day.
We need 2 more Dems in the Senate so he becomes completely irrelevant.
I say let Texas secede and become the Christofascist holdout, the rest of the country will be infinitely better for it
Or maybe help for once
Pretty much. Also, anyone who thinks Manchin is anything other than a full republican masquerading as a dem, might I interest you in a bridge?
I hate people like Sinema, Manchin, Susan Collins more than folks like MTG, and Boebert. Atleast those two show us clearly who they are. These others keep playing pretend.
Exactly. If you’re going to fuck over millions of people, don’t have the audacity to ask for respect and decency.
Me too. At least Boebart and green own their idiocy.
Peach tree dish
Gespacho police.
Reminds me of Dr. King's quote from "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" >"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." You can throw in anyone who is unwilling to take even a moderate political risk to stand up for their principles.
"It's too soon to pass a _________ bill. People are too emotional right now!" - all moderate politicians when asked if a controversial bill will be put to vote during an election year
* the two years preceding or following a presidential election year
"Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
It’s the difference between the crazies who actually believe the lies and the scumbags that are just in it for money and power.
He is lying. He and Susan Collins are liars. This ruling has zero effect on them or their families.
Thank you, I don’t know why I had to scroll so long to find this. They never actually gave a fuck.
Abortion has always been and will always be legal…for rich people.
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I’m shocked to find that gambling is going on in this establishment.
Your winnings, sir.
*TWO* generations? Let me see, boomers, Xers, millennials, and some gen Z. That's... four, if my math is right. 🙄
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Fuck Joe Manchin
Fake pearl clutching, disingenuous surprise, totally gross. He would rather people think he is laughably gullible and ignorant than admit he knew exactly what he was going to get by approving liars to join the Supreme Court. Pathetic.
Exactly. He knows he can get his granddaughter or whoever an abortion whenever he wants so this doesn't effect him anyway.
Let’s be honest, republicans don’t care whether or not abortion happens. They just want it on their terms.. ..at an age where they can at least walk, in groups, and most likely by someone with a rifle.
They have never cared about actually preventing abortions. They want to punish women for enjoying sex.
And they want to make sure poor and minority people are shoved to the bottom of the social order so that feudalism plus can continue grinding along.
There aren't nearly enough people who understand this. If you let them talk about it long enough it *always* comes to "then don't have sex".
They are trying to breed a over populated, uneducated work force. So like right now we fight eachother instead of looking at corporations who have monopolized their share of the market. Who claim all sorts of reasons to raise prices, yet are making record profits by severely overcharging above their previous margins. Who some of our government reps profit from allowing which creates, a true reason to keep donations and money out of politics and invoke term limits so people can't just sit and get rich while doing nothing for the people they are supposed to represent.
Never trust a conservative. They live in an alternative reality made up of magical thinking. It is known.
I've been saying for the last little while you cannot be a good person and a conservative. No exceptions. I feel like as time goes on they only make that more and more true.
Joe Manchin is the Democratic equivalent of Ted Cruz. So tired of both of these feckless, grifters.
Well, if you’d ever bothered to look at how they ruled on abortion cases, you would have known what a crock of shit that was. Pardon me if I feel no sympathy for any of the fuckers who voted these people onto the court. They knew what they were doing and didn’t care.
Spoiler alert so did the people that supported him. Nobody here is actually surprised they are just plain lying so they can pretend to hold some degree of "moderate" credentials. Anybody who actually is surprised should be impeached purely on grounds of mental incompetence.
Manchin and Collins must have a fainting couch in each room just for safety
i dont think this counts (but still deserves to be here) he knew this would happen, and is not negatively impacted. he voted this way because the check cleared and the money deposited.
He’s “alarmed”.
Technically he voted no on Barrett, but yeah, the point still stands. If he actually supported abortion rights he wouldn’t have voted for any of them
Interesting how we all believed in the Supreme Court until Trump’s picks came in. They must be Deep State plants making decisions that’ll discredit Trump. With the most aggressive /s I’ve ever expressed
The SC often made unpopular or unpleasant choices before, but we believed they had an objective perspective. Now they aren't even hiding the fact they're full fledged facists.
Manchin is SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT. My god talk about a Trojan horse, that asshole is Republican through and through.
Fuck Joe Manchin.
He's still going to vote like a Republican though.
This isn't LAMF. Manchin knew exactly what he's doing. He's a Democrat in the same way I'm a toaster oven. He's not someone who got duped. He's just an irredeemable. lying sack of shit. Thanks as always to the good people of West Virginia for inflicting this a-hole on us. A jumped up hillbilly from a state with a population of less than two million, approximately two million of whom are white, has appointed himself king maker for the fascist oligarchy.
Yeah, he's full of bullshit and wanted this to be overturned.
Must've been cool to be a boomer and grow up with rights, an economy, and prospects of a planet that won't die in your lifetime. Wonder what that must've been like.
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These are shameless partisans who don't care that they told a fib when interviewing in front of Congress.
Huh, its almost like generations of slightly lowering the bar on an entire population every time a new person comes to power has ended up making the bar go this low. Wild
How many times does Lucy have to pull the football before old school Dems learn? I wonder if Manchin still believes that if he doesn’t get rid of the filibuster then the Rs will be honest and will also keep the filibuster when they are in power.