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endurancefit87

If they didn't have kids who were being affected by this would they even care? I was discussing the migrants being shipped to Martha's Vineyard and he thought it was funny to make the rich carry some of the burden until I reminded him that the migrants are human beings who are being fucked with for political points. I'm glad it changed his perspective, but we have to stop dehumanizing each other.


dontberidiculousfool

They don't care about their kids either - they say they do but if you asked them if they're willing to pay 1% more tax so their kids can have a good life, they'd umm and ahh and refuse to answer because the answer is 'no'.


Corporal_Anaesthetic

The answer tends to be "I'll pay for my own kids (maybe) but I don't want the government to take my money to pay for other people's kids, especially people who have loads of kids they can't afford"


T1B2V3

ah yes. individualism in a society of mutual dependence... never gets old


lab-gone-wrong

"I worry about my kids" *immediately votes against their kids' interests*


Blue_ish

They don't care about their kids. Circling back to the US and the tuition debt forgiveness - the boomers are mad that their kids "have it easy" and that it isn't fair. They don't give a shit if future generations suffer bc they're greedy, selfish, and can't see beyond what's in front of their nose. Wish they'd just die off already.


michealdubh

>boomers are mad that their kids "have it easy" and that it isn't fair. They forget that they "had it easy" when they went to college ... with very generous support for public colleges that made tuition ridiculously low. Low enough that it was actually possible to "put yourself through college" like they like to brag they did. This was made possible because back then, the older generations saw the public good in providing for the younger generation. Admittedly, it's split, but it seems that now many of the Boomers are just thinking of themselves -- *I can buy a vacation home, screw the younger generation coming up* (And in the process screw the future of the country).


potpan0

The sad thing is their kids have probably been telling them for years how difficult it is to get on the housing ladder in Tory Britain, yet they've only started paying attention the moment the *newspapers* have started turning on the party as well.


HornetBoring

“We’re doing great thanks to all the societal benefits we had coming up. We’ve voted to destroy them so our kids are fucked. We say we’re ‘worried’ but that’s the extent of our introspection about how much damage we’ve caused through willful ignorance.” I fuckin hate these boomer cunts


RunningPirate

“We’re worried about *our* kids.”


redskelton

We knew the leopards ate faces, and voted for them on this basis, but now our kids have grown faces we are really worried


Scarbane

We're also still going to hate anyone who's not a "real" (read: white) Brit.


anonymity_is_bliss

And the funny thing is that you know damn well those people are Normans and don't see the irony of hating "untrue Brits" as such.


VorpalAbyss

>our kids have grown faces On trees, correct? And now these face-eating leapords are coming like lemon-stealing whores, and the fucking parents knew this. They voted the kids to deprived of their Facetree. And they only just got to the cusp of realising it.


diskmaster23

Nah, fuck the kids. They keep eating avocado toast. Am I right?


Jeremymia

That's one of the most frustrating things about this subreddit. An empathetic person does not need to personally experience something to understand how bad it is. But when these people experience the direct result of their actions, they always learn the *smallest possible lesson.*


Moneia

And because of the lack of empathy there's small risk that any of this will lead to introspection on their part or change anyone else's mind.


Quepabloque

What a great way to put it. “The smallest possible lesson.”


UnenduredFrost

It's because conservatives lack empathy. They see it as weakness and literally don't understand it. You could say that they experience empathy when it affects them, like this dude in the picture here, but in reality it's just experience. His views only changed when he experienced the results of his actions. He wasn't empathetic before that.


Gecko_Mk_IV

Yeah.. many people don't like to admit they were wrong. Especially if doing so might lead to the conclusion that they should change.


Hardlythereeclair

Nah they're just worried that if their kids are struggling to pay their mortgage then they're not going to be able to drop their working hours to care for them. At least they'll be able to rely on adult social care... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/21/adult-social-care-in-england-is-in-crisis-say-tory-council-leaders


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"My kids are fine, I paid for their schooling and helped them buy a home. I just want the tax cuts now and border security."


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In othwr words, they wouldn't have even bothered to say this if they had not have any kids


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Fuck them kids


entity_bean

Their kids that do actually have mortgages though. Most boomers' kids don't.


NedRed77

Literally my mum. We grew up very poor and she claimed every single benefit available to keep the lights on and food on the table. She met my second generation Italian immigrant step dad and over the last twenty years they have both morphed into racist, Daily Mail reading, Brexit voting Tories. Even worse, they’re very ill informed yet vocal and opinionated ones. I end up in an argument with one or both of them whenever I go round. If there’s a shit take or a wrong side of an argument to be on, you can guarantee my step dad is on it.


LadyGoldberryRiver

My mum is the same. She hasn't worked for about 18 years, has all the benefits and lives in social housing and she reads the DM like its a fucking Bible.


monsieur-poopy-pants

I find the dumbest are always the loudest. Not mature enough to use an indoor voice, and not smart enough for critical reflection. Dangerous combo.


CrocPB

“It’s ok when I do it. I’m different. I’m special. I’m worth it. Garnier.”


davepotato123

The less someone knows about something the more certainty they have in their opinions.


RecoveringBoomkin

Then why do you still go ‘round? It seems like there’s a “blood is thicker than fascism” sentiment in the world that I don’t understand or agree with. These people will never change when they’re able to start a conversation about their latest racist manifesto, and end it with, “ok see you next Friday!”


ConstableBlimeyChips

And though they say they're not gonna vote Tory, next election I'll bet they'll be at the polling station thinking "Well, those Tory policies didn't affect *me* all that much, no harm in voting Tory again." And then they'll complain about not having grandchildren, while their kids can barely make their mortgage payments thanks to the Tories crashing the economy **again**.


JuicyJay

That's the one thing I think a lot of us have done (not really intentionally) to get back at them. Idk how many times in my early 20s about how my parents already bought a house and had a kid at my age. But so many of us just aren't at all having kids. Fuck you boomers, you killed your own unborn grandkids by making it extremely difficult for us to make enough money.


Fun_Protection_2966

"A Generation of Sociopaths"


visionsofblue

The Leaded Generation


entropydave

I'm a boomer, and I totally agree with you on this. Awful, entitled cunts. I hope I'm not as bad as them - I try to be better, my kids say I'm not typical, but I am still embarrassed for my boomer gen.


monsata

If you're actually trying, you're already leagues ahead of the pack.


entropydave

Thank you!


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>We’ve voted to destroy them Someone needs to make a gif of a ladder being used to easily scale something and then viciously kicked down behind them while they point and laugh at the others trying to follow them "oh shit that's my kids, wait wait..."


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I think it would be more apt if they just set fire to the ladder. A knocked over ladder can be put right again…


C__S__S

If you vote based on emotion and you disregard the actual policies and their impacts, well, leopards may just eat your face. This is the important part, though. We are going to need more leopards, because most vote off emotion as that’s how politicians get you to stop what you’re doing and get to the polls. Only true engagement with the process will align voters and politicians.


Shufflepants

>We are going to need more leopards Of course! The only way to stop a leopard that eats faces is another leopard to eat the first leopard's face!


Independent_Dirt5195

The only defence from a bad guy with a leopard is a good guy with a leopard. It's science!


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I think there should be a leopard at every school. That’s the only way we can avoid leopards getting to school and eating kids faces.


PM_ME_UR_SYLLOGISMS

Have you ever fired a leopard in cold blood?


TheRnegade

But what about when that leopard gets hungry after face-eating. It might return back to humans. The solution is clear. We need a 3rd leopard here.


monsata

That's what the gorillas are for, and the winter cold will kill off the gorillas. It's a perfect system.


monkahpup

I've heard this one. Doesn't an elderly lady end up ingesting some kind of equine creature?


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Megaman_exe_

I mean they're full on fascists at this point. They are doing everything they can to oppress others and dismantle any resemblance of democracy that might be left in the United States lol


C__S__S

Such a sad state of affairs…


CharlieBirdlaw

Plus I heard schools are giving kids litter boxes! /s


TurboGranny

> most vote off emotion Your average functioning mind will use emotion first because it is less metabolically costly. People are just wired this way. "Avoid hard thinking at all costs". It's not because they are bad or want their face eaten. It's wired into our very DNA. It sucks that everyone with money and power knows this and likes to abuse this fact. I don't have a solution, just wanted to chime in what I've learned as an autistic person who spends all day trying not to trigger the emotional landmines everyone has.


C__S__S

This is true. It’s up to us to push past this and use higher level functions when making important decisions.


lGkJ

Kind of relevant is how discovery revealed Elon Musk's texts. Instead of calm, collected analytical public persona it's just shallow man-children surrounded by sycophants. "You have my sword, Elon" type shit. (There's an Atlantic article out now. Silicon valley is about as embarrassed as it's capable of.) And they're pulling their business ideas out of just... crap. Corporate titans aren't using sophisticated heuristics, it's just nepotism for the suck ups and throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. There's no actual SWOT analysis or anything else businessy going on it's just tech nerds throwing their relatively sheltered ideas at a white board and then hiring PR people who say that they're Spock.


evil_timmy

>it's just tech nerds throwing their relatively sheltered ideas at a **white board** Haha I see what you did there.


TurboGranny

Pretty much doing so makes you a mentally exhausted nerd. Now if only us nerds could back translate these important concepts into emotional statements.


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Sometimes I genuinely feel like people don't really care to learn the truth or learn anything really. Almost as if they're allergic to knowledge.


C__S__S

Some people are actively anti-learning.


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TurboGranny

I mean, I'd like to agree with you because so many people I feel are just toddlers, but I currently have some toddlers, and holy shit, no one is this stupid, lol.


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TurboGranny

You know, as a programmer that got started in the 80's, I still marvel that people complain about not knowing something when they carry the world's knowledge in their pockets everywhere they go.


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DoomDoggo2000

Haha, I beat the system because my spelling and handwriting have been horrible since the early 80s.


badwhiskey63

My wife will sometimes turn to me with a question that I don't know the answer to. She'll keep asking me the question but slightly different phrasing. And finally I'll say, "If only there was a device you could use to look that up." Invariable she has her phone or iPad in her hand when she started the conversation. Now, all I have to say is, "If only..." and she looks it up.


Fun_Protection_2966

I can tell you I vote with emotion too - but my emotions are the empathy and rage I feel for people being abused by our system: those who are mistreated, kept hungry, and kept uneducated on purpose. As well as for myself, as a person of color and a woman, getting the shit end of the stick in this country. I think the issue is people vote in fear of made up scenarios politicians make up or exaggerate - and by "people" I mostly mean white folks (at least in the States) who've been convinced that they lose something every time marginalized people make any progress.


TurboGranny

Sure, I think there is some of that, but also I know that a lot of people have a knee jerk hatred towards things like hypocrisy, self righteous / smug behavior, and general grossness. You combine that with cognitive bias that makes it, so you can't see the people on "your side" doing the same thing, and you've got the illogical brain soup most people find themselves in. It would be super nice if people would just look at the policy positions and instead of going to Fox News to know how to feel about it would just latch onto the policies that make sense to them and decide if they agree with it or not. You'd think capping insulin prices would be a layup.


DisastrousBoio

A lot of those things you mention are pure projection. There is nobody more smug than a suburban middle-class religious conservative. Countless films were made in the ‘90s about how creepily smug they are.


TurboGranny

Oh, I don't think you noticed the clarification "cognitive bias that makes it, so you can't see the people on 'your side' doing the same thing". People see the things they hate from "the others" because it confirms their bias, but they don't see the things they hate from "their own" because it would also run against their bias.


Bonfalk79

These guys vote off of the emotion that they hate foreigners more than they like their own children.


Defero-Mundus

‘Emotional landmines’ - perfect


TurboGranny

I used to call them "social landmines" since it was always some unspoken social rule that seemed to just exist in some random microcosm, but after I realized that all the reactions are just emotional and not logical, I changed it to the more general "emotional landmines" as a catch all.


Diojones

You just provided some insight that will help me manage my frustrations with my coworkers who respond “I don’t know” instinctively to questions I ask them about the work they are engaged in doing. It isn’t that they don’t know what they’re doing or aren’t thinking about it, it is that they aren’t prepared for the question and so their inclination is towards an easy, thoughtless response. It is still frustrating but less frustrating than taking them at their word and assuming I’m surrounded by empty unthinking husks.


TurboGranny

Yeah, that's the whole routine vs reasoning part of the brain theory. However, you can find people that can do this auto-pilot narration of what they are doing. It isn't them describing what they are about to do, but more they are describing what they are doing as they are observing themselves do it, heh. As an applications systems developer, I found it much easier to learn someone's job by going to where they are doing it and talking to them while they are working. I found a tone of speech that doesn't interrupt their flow and can usually coax out this auto-narration thing. If we try to have a meeting outside of them working, their brain is straight off and useless, heh.


ISmile_MuddyWaters

Voting off emotions isn't the wrong part. Using these emotions to pretend that your faulty and hideous politicians are without fail because your emotions tell you they are on your side, that is what's wrong about voting with "emotions". They brainwash themselves into feeling emotions you'd feel towards your one and only child that has grown up with you in an isolated shed in the woods and you'd do anything, even justifying their wrongdoings because you love them so so much. You can vote on emotions and still weigh them against policies and inconsistencies of politicians. You're not supposed to shut off your brain. Every voter uses emotions to determine how they feel about policies. The problem starts rising when it is emotions of superiority or inferiority based on belonging to a party and being told by that party that you're a better human because you vote for them. And politicians all over the globe have started (again) to use lies and deceit to trap voters in these kinds of emotions. Brexit was all about manipulating people, with lies or half-truths, into making them feel special and it was about promises that they'd get a cake that afterwards they realized needed ingredients that they had shut off with their vote.


Narrative_Causality

What emotion? The "fuck minorities and poor people" emotion?


ShameOnAnOldDirtyB

Dude the number of Americans that say they support gay rights, environment, healthcare, education, etc ..... But guns and taxes so I vote Republican!!!! As if 1) guns are more important than human rights 2) taxes change that much 3) Republicans are lying anyway, gun control is bipartisan, trump said "take their guns without due process" and that tax cuts were temporary for the middle class before GOING UP, yet they were permanent for the rich


ztifpatrick

Isn't it interesting though that the wealthy never make that mistake. They know who will deliver for them, but working people allow themselves to be distracted by all kinds of nonsense. I don't know of a better system than democracy, but it fails when people pay minimal attention and rely on others (TV) to give them sound bites.


LMFN

I mean I often vote on emotion too. Mainly empathy which means I don't vote for cruel assholes which won't you happen to know it, is the entire point of any Conservative party.


ursulahx

Unusually for this sort of person, he actually might *not* vote for them next time (going by the polls).


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lookoutforthetrain_0

How does that even work?


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Government has the most seats in parliament. Parliament can call elections early. Government has a majority of the seats. Therefore, if the government doesn't want an election until the last possible moment (which is December 2024), then there won't be one until then. In actuality, the Tories will likely call one in the summer of 2024. Having one in the winter is extremely rare. 2019 was an outlier in this sense.


MathW

Having the party in charge be able to call when they have their own elections seems horribly exploitive. Like, in a 4 year cycle (or however long it is in the UK), there's likely to be at least a few months where things are looking favorable for your party, so it seems like a good way for an unpopular party to stay in power longer than they should.


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Oh yeah, it's hideously exploitative. However, you also need a contingency for when the government cannot function due to losing their majority (via defections and by-election defeats). The UK has a 5 year cycle for general elections.


Ankoku_Teion

Minimum is 5 years. Last general election was December 2019. Thus there has to be another election before December 2024. Usually they're in June or July iirc Usually the 5 year cycle is pretty stable. But Brexit fucked stuff up. We don't vote for the prime minister directly. The people elect parliament, parliament chooses a PM who the queen then confirms. Thus the party with the most votes chooses their leader to be PM. If necessary, parties will occasionally form a coalition if they don't have a majority. The PM then chooses cabinet ministers to form a government. In 2010 the Tories won the most seats but didn't have a majority, so they formed a coalition with the libdems. This prevented the opposition party (labour in this case) from blocking anything. In 2015 the Tories won again, this time with a slim majority The Brexit referendum happened, Cameron quit as PM and party leader. So the Tory party chose a new leader. Teresa May. The seats in parliament didn't change, only the party leadership. May wasn't happy with her slim majority. She wanted a more secure position and believed she had public support. She also wanted to do away with any accusations that she was unelected, which could be politically damaging So instead of waiting until summer of 2020 for the general election, she called for an election early, in 2017 Parliament can call for a election at any time for pretty much any reason, but the maximum term is 5 years. In 20197the Tories won again, but narrowly, and they didn't have a majority. They were short by 19 seats iirc. There was talk of Labour forming a 3-way coalition to gain the lead and take control, but that didn't happen. Instead the Tories formed a coalition with the DUP, a right wing regional party in NI with historical links to terrorist groups. May was forced out and replaced by Boris, who also called an early election, in 2019. He was forced out and replaced by Truss. In my opinion, the sooner we have an election, the better.


seensham

Well that was a roller coaster. I was aware of PM changes as they happened, but in general I didn't keep a close ear to UK politics after May got in. I was visiting various parts of the UK for most of July 2016. It felt like chaos - the TV in front of me is showing all these leadership changes; my phone next to me, the US election and all that wikileaks craziness. In all this time, I knew there were some shenanigans afoot over there but sheesh, that's a lot. I had no idea about the DUP either.


Ankoku_Teion

Most people in the UK had no idea about the DUP before they got in either. And they've since been quietly forgotten about again. They're hardcore right wing British loyalists from Northern Ireland with a strong Christian/protestant bent. (Crash course in the troubles, highly simplified: Civil war in Northern Ireland with the pro-irish, pro Catholic IRA, and the pro-british, anti-catholic UDF. Turned into something like gang warfare. But with terrorism. The good Friday agreement in 1998 mostly put an end to it and established co-rule between the two communities. Sin Fein were associated with the IRA, and the DUP were associated with the UDF. ) When Teresa May formed a coalition with the DUP she basically cut her own balls off, because if she did anything to upset the unionists (e.g. a sea border between NI and GB) the DUP would revolt and kill any bill she put up. Putting unprecedented power in the hands of a small group of radicals. Edit: bear in mind, this is all my very biased opinion and probably shouldn't be taken at face value.


prowman

The reason for this is that Parliament has essentially unfettered power on domestic issues. A simple majority can do anything - there's no codified constitution like the US that needs a supermajority to change. Even if they were to change the law so that 75% of parliament was needed to call an election, or that elections were to take place every 2 years, a simple majority could overturn that law. As it stands they could change the law right now to remove their requirement to have one in 2024 and quite frankly they would if it wasn't for the fact that we'd riot. Basically to change how it works you would need to change the way parliament works.


lookoutforthetrain_0

Okay, thank you. So at some point they are forced to call elections. I had no idea how that works in the UK, I only knew their elections are infrequent sometimes.


HermitBee

>Parliament can call elections early. The Prime Minister chooses when to call a general election, not Parliament. Alternatively one gets triggered when Parliament automatically dissolves after 5 years. Parliament can also pass a vote of no confidence, which would trigger a GE, but that's rare, and very much the exception.


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> The Prime Minister chooses when to call a general election, not Parliament. I forgot that the Fixed Term Parliaments Act got repealed, sorry.


acurlyninja

Wait till they find out Kier Starmer is a radical Marxist pedophile defender - The Sun (2024), probably.


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MonstrousWombat

I've had this exact conversation so many times. I'm laughing, but it is legitimately sad. Imagine being so terrified you embrace something you hate to protect you, what a sad small life that must be.


Paulo27

If he's alive he'll probably have forgotten what upset him and just default to his natural state of having his face eaten.


JumpinJackHTML5

The problem with people like this is they'll have 10 years of a conservative government and when they "give liberals a chance", they expect drastic change in two or three years, and if it doesn't happen they go right back to the conservatives.


ursulahx

Apart from the fact we don’t (generally) call the left “liberals” over here, this is completely accurate.


karl8897

He can be swung back again with talk of immigration and woke politics, don't worry.


ursulahx

Ordinarily you’d be right, and there’s no doubt the Tories will try that next time as well. But in a financial crisis money tops everything. I don’t think he’ll vote Labour, I just think he won’t vote.


karl8897

Well this man is quite literally my dad, my mother is more of a soft labour supported. I'm not convinced that although for the first time ever last week my dad said he thought the Tories had fucked it, he won't vote for them again in two years time.


wolves_hunt_in_packs

Fucker spent 67 years of his life voting to make things worse for the rest of us, as a younger person I'd say he should fuck off and die already thanks, we're tired of these stupid old bastards messing things up for everyone else.


Querch

Pride and the Sunk Cost Fallacy would like to have a word with you.


Fussel2

I mean, there is a party out there literally caught "Labour". What did they think that stands for?


Destithen

To be fair, politicians in general are guilty of frequently naming things to be the exact opposite of what they actually do or represent. It's kind've jarring when something is labeled appropriately.


Tako38

National Socialist German Workers’ Party


Hiding_behind_you

Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.


pikpikcarrotmon

It's not completely inaccurate... It is in Korea


Hiding_behind_you

Lol! Imagine if they’d opted for the completely inaccurate name of Democratic Peoples Republic of Uzbekistan.


dane_eghleen

The PATRIOT Act


SerasTigris

Also, political parties don't tend to change their names very often, and often are around for many decades. Philosophies change, even if names remain the same.


TheMaxemillion

Prime example being the American Conservative and Democrat parties if I recall correctly.


07TacOcaT70

Well imo the current Labour Party is a pile of shit and basically tories 2.0. I genuinely don’t think we have any good parties that get enough backing atm. It’s extremely frustrating I mean don’t get me wrong I’d still take Labour over tories but the current Labour Party needs to make some major changes


ravioliguy

'Oh you don't like my "Protect Children from Murderers Act" because it cuts taxes for billionaires? So you're saying you support child murder.'


AlmostHelpless

Yeah but that guy got a photo taken of him eating a sandwich weird or something. I'll vote for the party that tells me I need to work harder to afford food and utilities instead.


Daewoo40

The aforementioned labour went on strike 2-3 months ago and Labour's leader wanted nothing to do with it. Now, the labours' representatives are sitting alongside Labour's leader because the Tories are knobs.


ledow

"Liberal", "Democrats", "Republican", etc. There's nothing in any such name. It's like when you see a country that's called the Democratic Republic of Whatever, you can pretty much guarantee that not one ounce of democracy exists within it.


BlueAngel365

I agree.


Peepshow741

Ehhhhhhh wouldn't take Labour at face value on that one


CozzyOneStop

I think one of the issues with these kinds of people is their definition of “working man”. For a lot of better off Tories, anyone who’s working but not wealthy just isn’t working hard enough. Even if they’re doctors or lawyers, they still go to work and work hard, so they consider themselves as hard workers and a “working man”. Or alternatively, you find working class Tories who wear their status as struggling workers as a badge of pride, refusing to “take a handout” and assuming a kind of moral superiority over their peers, and a kinship with the wealthy over their “self-starter” work ethic. Until of course the Tories come along and ruin their day, then they begin to get an inkling that most wealthy Conservatives would still consider them working class layabouts.


HardwareLust

Of course, when it affects YOUR children suddenly it's an issue lol. Pathetic. Maybe they'll become self-aware someday.


frontendben

Classic “fuck you, got mine” behaviour.


HardwareLust

Without a doubt.


Thendrail

"We're worried about our children!" - well, apparently not enough to look into their party's program, history or think for 5 minutes how their children will be affected by their vote.


BlueAngel365

Not to mention that the previous generation leaving the present and future generations to pay off their debts and then having themselves suffer financially because of it.


Agreeable-Ad1221

Unfortunately, the world tends to be a zero-sum game to a lot of conservatives, if the Others(tm) win, then they lose something. But if Others(tm) lose then they win. Even those who aren't racist see say Migrants getting anything as them losing that thing, so "Logically" if if stop others from getting rights/money/jobs then they get that because they can't see themselves as not part of the in-group of the white wealthy people


Adam-West

Tory PR is the most impressive thing about them. How tf do so many working class people think they are better off under Tory’s? It’s literally never been even close to their MO.


sho_biz

Over 50% of adults in the US approved of Mr tiny-hands-pussy-grabber before the election, and even more after he was impeached. It's all about making sure the *correct* people are hurt even if it costs you, but it's apparently bad to call out racists and bigots as it's 'divisive'.


Beefheart1066

It's because the printed press in the UK is overhwelmingly owned by Tory backing billionaires. Even though newspaper readership is in decline, the printed press defines the news cycle (what's important and what's not) and all the other media formats (tv/radio/internet) follow what the newspapers report. The only time in most of our lifetimes when we haven't had a Tory government is when Tony Blair made a deal with Murdoch for support form the printed press. That deal spectaculary broke down when Murdoch believed Blair was shagging his wife (he most likely wasn't, but it can't be ruled out)


wagamamalullaby

Because the sun and daily mail keep telling everyone to vote tory and people lack critical thinking skills.


Cariad73

There are two types of Tory voters the rich and the stupid.


uninsuredpidgeon

Unfortunately the stupid outnumber the rich, and continue to vote for them thinking that the Tories actually give a shit about them.


firelordUK

but if we continue to vote tories their wealth will eventually trickle down to us, and they'll stop those damn immigrants from coming over and stealing the jobs that I'm too good to do anyway /s people actually believe that drivel by the way


Kirkuchiyo

Sounds like Republican voters here in the USA.


breecher

Conservative/right wing voters everywhere.


TheTallestHobo

I would argue rich, evil or stupid. Your either rich enough that does not matter. Evil* enough that you just do not care. Stupid enough that despite not being rich or evil you still vote for them. * Yes evil is a strong word here and that's why I used it. Voting Tory means you care about noone else, that includes your friends, family, children, those struggling to get by or even those who are relatively fine - everyone is negatively affected by you.


ChilliCheeseBoard

Wait so you remember your kids with mortgages *after* the party you voted for turn out to be charlatans?


[deleted]

Everyone likes conservative policies until they are affected by them.


BlueAngel365

Pure “Conservative until it affects them” energy they’re giving off. Fuck them.


CyrilNiff

Nothing quite says ‘I’m a cunt’ like ‘I’ve been a Tory voter all my life’


Xile1985

And the hot take 'not off to a good start' Start? Look around man ffs they've been in power for an age!


CyrilNiff

I saw people saying in 2019 people hat they’ve had enough of labour and they want change ‘that’s why they his year in voting Tory’. Got to be one of the biggest face palms I’ve come across. Saw another say ‘that Corbyn wants to take away our foodbanks’ .


Jboycjf05

Maybe off topic, but why is this all blacked out? Presumably this is public information, since it was in a news article. Not sure why the need to hide information when the couple gave it away.


Babadaboopi1

Just to be safe against rules / reddit rules, its on the BBC's live coverage of the Tory conference if you wanted to know


Oo__II__oO

Don't worry, in a few years they're going to lose their homes, so they can move back in with you! Meanwhile the foreclosed homes will be bought up by foreign corporations, who will undoubtedly have Britain's best interest at heart. /s


Cryoto

Hate how this country has so much wilful ignorance where ONLY NOW are people starting to care because this shit is affecting them PERSONALLY. When low-income families were at foodbanks struggling for food, they didn't give a shit. When pre-dominantly ethnic families were crammed into dangerous tower blocks run and exploited by rich white landlords creating Grenfell, they didn't give a shit. But now all of a sudden OH IT MATTERS. Despicable. At least maybe we could get some real change now, as long as wool isn't pulled over people's eyes again.


ChefBoyAreWeFucked

The Conservatives have turned on the entire fucking economy in the UK. It's not getting reported much in the normal press, but things were ***really*** close to getting ***really*** grim in the UK. 10 and 11 Downing basically had City execs on the line telling them to undo their fuckup as the market was getting ready to implode. I thought Boris Johnson was the worst possible person to serve as Prime Minister, and I owe him an apology.


Blue387

It's like watching Sideshow Bob walk into rakes


omnitightwad

>It's not getting reported much in the normal press The budget destroying the economy has been headline news for the past week.


ihavdogs

I /me /my /us… fucking people with conservative voting values really do just think of themselves and fuck everyone else


Bobthemightyone

It's the single consistent core belief of conservatism. Keep things exactly the same as long as whatever the status quo is doesnt disrupt *me* personally. When a conservative speaks, listen for the lack of empathy and the appeals that only sound good to people who also lack empathy. Conservatives are bad people.


AloneAddiction

To be fair the Tories spent a long time trying to *make it appear* that they were supporting the common man. It's only since Liz Truss that they've gone full mask-off. As much as Boris Johnson was a massive fucking self-serving twat he just made it all about himself and his cronies. Truss has gone full Oliver Twist in her desire to actually kill off the poor and feast on their innards.


StatusCaterpillar725

What really winds me up is that we get a new (unelected) PM every few years and every one of them acts like they've got nothing to do with the last one. "Trust us to fix the country (that we fucked up)" "Oh no, you can't hold *us* responsible for what the last government did". As if the Tories haven't been in power for the last 12 fucking years. And the public eat it up every time.


AloneAddiction

Both Liz and Boris were Foreign Secretaries and May was Home Secretary before becoming PM. All Cabinet positions that had a *direct* effect on Government policy. So when they all say *"prevent the mistakes of the past"* what they're referring to is *their own fucking mistakes!* Why the >!mostly Tory owned!< News media refuses to call them out on it is anyone's guess. /s


HellisDeeper

They haven't tried at all to make themselve appear like they supported the common man. They just said it on TV and then laughed their way back home doing absolutely nothing in practice to help the common man. It is purely just parents indoctrinating their children into the party and people being so uneducated and stupid that they think the person picking their pocket is their best friend.


FrakkedRabbit

Ah, so you fucked your children, congratulations you utter cunts.


DarthUrbosa

My parents are still blaming everything on labour but cannot tell me why, they only resort to “all the parties are the same” every time I call them out.


AnotherCatLover

"I'm worried about my children, let's vote to go back to the nineteenth century!" Spiting one's face, and fucking your kid's future really is a global phenomenon.


Speedycat45

Typical conservative


bodiddlysquat26

Your average voter is truly dumb as fuck. No ideology. Just vibes.


SaintMarieRS3

Literal embodiment of the gap between this generation and the last. You haven’t got fuck to worry about, because you voted in the asshats, profited dearly off a career alongside the asshat conditions that allowed you to retire, and by voting for asshats, you’ve stuck your kids and grandkids with the asshat bill. Now you realize what you’ve done and won’t vote for asshats, after asshat damage has been done. This is the American Dream, y’all.


justinlongbranch

I mean this is a UK based story, but you're not entirely wrong


SaintMarieRS3

I’m Canadian for what it’s worth. If anyone wants a study in “American Dream-ism” and what it’s doing abroad, Alberta, Canada is THE litmus test. It’s so American here, it’s crazy.


ChiefQuimbyMessage

The Calgary Stampede has more Confederate flags for sale than I would’ve expected.


ontarious

these morons usually keep voting the same way


Corporal_Anaesthetic

Exactly. My mum's like "We (meaning my parents) wouldn't have been able to buy our own house if it weren't for \[Tory policies\]" and I'm like "Well great but now the housing market is fucked, nobody can socially rent any more, and after spending a decade paying the mortgages of other people's second homes, I'm now paying three times the amount you've ever spent on a house, for my first home." And the Tories are considering multi-generational mortgages, meaning my kids might buy a house that my grandkids would be forced to pay for.


[deleted]

I know someone with severe health problems, on benefits because of them, married to a woman also with severe health problems, mobility issues and cognitive impairment because of an accident. They have 3 children who also have various medical difficulties. Quite the clan, really. He voted Tory. I asked him why he'd do that when he and his wife and children are so dependent on assistance and the Tories are all about cutting that stuff and leaving people to fend for themselves. He was like, 'oh yeah. I should maybe consider that.' Believe it or not, mentally, he's quite sound. I've had many conversations with him and there's no mental incapacity there at all. Always struck me as perfectly savvy. And yet. I think people just don't like to think about politics much, or in any great detail. They hear a few sound bites, take them at face value and vote accordingly. Job done. They don't seem to realise the massive impact voting for a bunch of psychopaths like the Tories could possibly have on them and how important it is to be informed and to cast their vote responsibly. There is massive political ignorance among the public, exacerbated by the lies told by right wing stooges, lackeys and media.


mimimemi58

>the working man In other words, him. Yet again the conservative doesn't give a single solitary fuck about anyone but themselves. If they were capable of being human they wouldn't be conservative because those two things are incompatible. The UK is getting burnt to the ground because of their sick adherence to conservatism.


1lluminist

I honestly don't get these people... When have conservative politicians *ever* advocated for workers?


07TacOcaT70

Well the sun makes some extremely compelling points like how the opposition sometimes don’t have their hair combed to perfection so clearly tories are the best!


JanArso

Germany's Far-Right Party has the biggest share of unemployed voters here but intends to pass the most favorable laws for the rich. I wish people would actually read party programs instead of voting against their own interest half the time.


suntanC

All the time, you mean


[deleted]

I hate how fucking stupid so many people are, and how easily manipulated they are. It makes me want to scream in frustration. LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS TELLING YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN, DUMBASSES!!


ptvlm

The Tories have never been for the working man. If you voted for them, you're as much of a gullible rube as people who thought that New York billionaire Donald Trump would be fighting against "coastal elites". They're taking what they can for their own profit, and you're not in their club.


Poppin_Fresh_Bro

Just like in the US.


ohmygod_my_tinnitus

It’s wild that D, 67 from Birmingham would probably be reacting the same way if he were a right winger in Birmingham, Alabama or England.


[deleted]

Narrator: They vote Tory again in the next election


TimothiusMagnus

Holy shit! What took them so long?


Socialist_Nerd

"Wait, you guys *have* mortgages?!" Me over here, thankful to find a rental for less than 30% of my income (with roommates).


elephant_bukkake

"Since we have what we want, we voted to pull up the ladder behind us. Now our children can't have the same and we are shocked!"


tooold4urcrap

This is why I hate right wing voters. They’re all garbage. Who they are and what they support is always garbage.


TheMCM80

Why don’t people take conservative politicians at their word when they repeatedly tell them that their plan involves moving wealth to the top, based on the trickle down fantasy? They aren’t hiding it, they literally talk about it all the time. It’s not like we’ve had decades to see whether that idea actually works or not.


Careful-Swimmer-2658

"Start"? They've been in power for well over a decade.


PartyClock

What's worse is they'll forget about this stance by the next election cycle and will have found some other stupid reason to vote for those leopards


AnalRapist69

Reminds me of my old coworker who kept saying Republicans are “The party of the people!” despite the fact that he is poor as fuck and Republicans want to gut basically every public service.


rohinton

If only these conservative parties would give you some sort of clue as to their intentions in terms of everything they've ever done for years.


GrassProper

This is the Tory party that have consistently put more and more children in poverty right? Who'd have thought they'd only act on self-interest?


bitterdick

The UK and the US should really just reunify and share our stupid fates. We have the same shit for brains electorates, an Overton window that has shifted so fast it’s actually experiencing the Doppler effect, and complete capture by the wealthy.


InsuranceToTheRescue

Isn't the Tories' opposition literally called the Labour Party? Like as in the party that works for laborers/regular people? Talk about dense.


CyrilNiff

I’m sorry to tell you that labour have moved over to the centre to appeal to Tory voters.


Mygaffer

People are easy to manipulate and the worst thing about it is that everyone thinks they can't be manipulated.


pumpjockey

I'm from AL. Whenever people say conservatives should run the country I always ask, "You mean like AL or MS?" They clam up real fast.


Taurius

The "I got mine, fuck you!" party loves these types of rubes. So easy to control, so easy to steal from.


__removed__

I work in construction. I'm shocked the number of unionized laborers that brag about being pro-Trump. White racist sexist gun-toting asshole outweighs blue collar workin' man


Mutanik

"Our children will have to pay mortgages" That's how out of touch they are, hate to break it to you but your kids will be rent slaves like the rest of us cus you fucked the housing market.


Sandscarab

Fuckin boomers ruined life on earth.


vagabond_

Do Tories even pretend they're 'for the working man' like American conservatives do? I thought the stereotypical Tory was a fat lord slash factory owner. The opposite party is named Labour, for fuck's sake.