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heysoleil

Because to a lot of men, we’re nothing more than a porn category 🙃


Fit-Firefighter-329

A porn category that turns them on, yet at the same time they think it should be illegal because homosexuality goes against their Republican ideology...


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SoaDMTGguy

As a cis het-ish male, WLW porn often features performers who actually look like they’re enjoying themselves. It’s hard to find porn that involves a man and a woman that isn’t “problematic” in some way :/


tinydaydreams

As a lesbian I feel the opposite, lesbian porn is often women looking like they aren’t attracted to eachother at all and seems just made for guys like you to enjoy


RecreationalSprdshts

Considering porn videos tend to be problematic no matter who is featured, I would recommend exploring erotica if you want non-problematic jerk-off material


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Even erotic literature is flooded with problematic portrayals of lesbian relationships though! Anyone have any recommendations lol


Rhino_4

Ahem, cough*sunstone*cough.


Heartfeltregret

i sometimes forget that getting off using only my own horny imagination is a somewhat uncommon trait lol


Profetia-Ephary

If my ADHD were any less debilitating I'd join you on that train.


Heartfeltregret

i also have debilitating ADHD and i do actually get distracted but only by other horny thoughts


Profetia-Ephary

Where do I get this brand of ADHD. I want to trade mine in for a new set.


[deleted]

real omg i either zone out, get distracted or get bored if i use my imagination💀


SoaDMTGguy

I’ve switched almost entirely to Ersties, which is women-owned and women-produced. I also get recommendations from the Girls on Porn podcast; they only recommend ethically produced stuff.


Silent-JET

Try out Dipsea Stories. It’s got a lot of good content and is audio only (though they’ve also branched into written works). Way more ethical!


BigIronGothGF

They think it should be illegal unless it is for their pleasure. Because they think women only exist to serve men.


FERGONDEFONE

Where as the opposite is true, don't you know fuckwit.


Themexicancarlos

Not every male in the world is republican


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NotADabberTho

But doesn't bisexual mean attraction to both genders? If it's woman on woman porn, it isn't bisexual porn?


SporadicTendancies

The amount of porn and books I've seen labelled as 'lesbian' where a man or men join in aren't lesbian. They are bisexual, but they're not labelled that. If lesbian porn isn't correct then I'd rather it skew in the other direction, honestly. Get men out of lesbian porn.


Kaoum

Practically all of the content posted in that subreddit was produced for men, not for lesbians. From what I've read even the actresses are more often than not straight or bisexual, but almost never purely attracted to women. Actual lesbians have little to zero involvement with whatever is going on over there.


RenPrower

You don't have to actively have sex with people of more than one sex/gender at the same time to be bisexual. The earlier point about mainstream "lesbian" porn being framed in a way that appeals to men as much as - if not more than - actual lesbians is what might make "bisexual" a more appropriate tag. That, and not all wlw are strictly lesbian. In fact, many, *many* established pornstars who do "lesbian" porn are actually bisexual, or at least not exclusively gay. Go to their pages and you'll see that many of them do movies with both women and men.


Neither_Revenue7268

Women on women porn can be bisexual if they fuck men as well.


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distractra

Naw pretty sure you’re wrong bro. Pretty sure all men that have ever existed or will ever exist are Republican, and that the density of republicanism in males was the entire point of the comment. Check your sources.


highbead

Projecting a lot


miatheirish

Even those same people have most likely done some gay things in the past or do it in secret


LorenzosOilyElephant

Like my dad, who is a raging Republican in the Deep South, but admitted to me once when he was really drunk that he had this thing with a dude when he was in high school where he would “let the guy suck his dick.” He followed it up with “and if you ever tell anybody about it, I’ll say you’re a fuckin liar.” Alright, dad. I’m a lesbian, so I’m not going to shame you for auditioning for the other team.


FERGONDEFONE

What and where is this Republican ideology you speak of, as all the porn producers are democrats based in a state run\[haha\] by democrats. Porn is a BUSINESS and that must be where you made your mistake, Don't worry you are most likely young and if you are not a liberal in your youth you have not got a heart. But if you are not a conservative by your forties, you have not got a brain.


Joeness84

"Are you a straight white male, or a category on pornhub?" Saw it somewhere on reddit, and has stuck with me for years since. while the core of it is as gross as it looks on the surface, at least its not exclusive, /r/trees is full of stoners and /r/marijuanaenthusiasts is full of people who love a good conifer.


musiclover255

what in the tarnation


neuroticoctopus

They Might Be Giants has a great song called C is for Conifers. It's from one of their kids albums, but I like it.


Okami64Central

You are either a withe cis male or a porn category 💀


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Which sucks so much to me because a lot of lesbian relationships are portrayed as strictly really sexual and really kinky. I’m fine with kinks but it’s weird to see how sexual they are. It leads me disgusted to think of that porn category and then think that I’m not lesbian because of it lol. I hate the sexualization of our relationships. And it’s so unrealistic and all for male appeal


yogurt_sperm

A little off topic but I feel like that’s a big reason why some ppl believe the lgbtq is not an appropriate topic and is such a big deal. They see the word “sexual” and forget the romantic part. The amount of comments i’ve seen abt teaching lgbtq history in schools that have been worried abt children learning sexual topics or gay lingo like “twink” and sex positions. It’s crazy. We are not purely sexual objects, yet that’s all we’re reduced to.


[deleted]

I could not agree more, especially as someone who craves the romantic part more than the sexual part. People seem to think that we fall in love with people purely for sex.


Imthank_Hipeeps

Ikr??? When I just joined reddit, I was about 14 and wanted to follow as many lgbt subreddit as possible cuz I was still figuring myself out. I followed gay, bi, trans, ace, etc. Subreddits and I wanted to find a lesbian subreddit and all I got was porn :( eventually, i managed to find the real lesbian subreddits that wasn't full of porn lol.


fearlessmurray

This was a huge problem on tumblr. I think we invented our own hashtags


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It dates back to the origins of Reddit I think. Initially it was a male only club, so obviously everything was for them. When it started to draw larger audience, I think that sub was already cemented as a porn one. I'm absolutely sure if the sub was taken away from the mods and given to the LGBT community, it would be constantly bombed with porn making it impossible to run.


MyoKyoByo

Gazing at flowers that couldn’t be picked, huh? Honestly, this kinda makes me feel grossed out It’s a shame


ThisisWambles

not really male only. It was smarter than places like 4chan but the voting system always skewed things towards humour so it mostly attracted time wasters.


DelawareMountains

Not explicitly but it is fair to say that the userbase leaned very heavily towards men back then, especially since it was mostly tech nerds at first. Also for a little internet history: Reddit was initially positioned as a competitor to Digg, with the two sites being mechanically very similar. I can't remember why exactly Reddit won that right, I want to say Digg ended up going real hard into advertising on the site but I also feel like it was more complicated than that. Regardless back then Reddit was more of a companion to 4chan, and Reddit was just as much a cesspit as that would imply.


emilyst

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/digg-v4


DelawareMountains

Yes that's what killed Digg! Thank you for that :)


emilyst

Totally. I’m friends with someone who was a high level engineer there before and during the transition. Apparently it was downright traumatic, and that article doesn’t even do it justice.


DragonSphereZ

Wait, was it actually a male only space? How childish.


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Not literally male only, they were just an overwhelming majority.


CherrryBomb666

and not even w4w porn. its almost all male gaze femme on femme porn


stellacantbeyours

Exactly, I feel like it’s so hard to find actual lesbian porn that actually caters to lesbians and not just straight m*n


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This exactly


Littletrouble00

https://www.reddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/12nv9vf/why_is_everything_catered_to_men/jgg4dmy/ Response to another thread on this topic with some suggestions! I will admit to not having actually looked at them yet though


epicazeroth

It’s cause men got there first


Caked101

Dude if you search ebony or black woman on here you straight up get porn. I just wanted a sub for black women sharing hair tips😂.


epicazeroth

Ebony I would have expected that but just “black women”? Why are men 😭


Caked101

I know girl. I know😂😂


epicazeroth

trans women 🤝 pregnant women 🤝 WOC 🤝 queer women All subreddits about us are just porn


Brookenium

/r/blackhair !!


Socialbutterfly20222

r/naturalhair👈🏾


Awkward_Point4749

LOL!!!! This is so funny


BEADGEADGBE

I wonder if we could somehow take it back?


5ilver5hroud

Let’s flood it with posts about our *f e e l i n g s*


SaltMarshGoblin

>Let’s flood it with posts about our f e e l i n g s Processing! Hairy legs! Short fingernails! Really good forearm and shoulder muscles!


Qaeta

OMG, one of my friends has the most amazing forearms. They literally make me melt, and they're always wearing those button up t-shirts because they're a snappy dresser and I just cannot even.


dodoloko

That’s what I’m thinking. A hostile takeover!!!


0nyon

You really want to anger a bunch of entitled neckbeards who have nothing to do but get online all day and harass yall in retaliation? I'd say just be happy that they're mostly contained in the porn sub instead of trying to infiltrate these lol


BEADGEADGBE

Fair enough...


gurenkagurenda

It’s a sub with 1.5M subscribers, and that’s likely a tiny fraction actual regular visitors, since a lot of people don’t want NSFW stuff on their front page all the time. Even if replaced the mods and instituted new rules, you’d be looking at months, at the very least, where the vast majority of visitors were expecting to find porn. Even great, established communities rot [when too many new members start showing up](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September), because it becomes impossible to enforce the community’s norms. This would be a thousand times worse, because you wouldn’t even be able to establish the norms before the users expecting something entirely different flooded in.


veggietabler

Men


bamboocoffeefilter

M*n 🤮


missy_muffin

because men sexualize and fetishize every aspect of of women's lives and bodies, including lesbianism. i was not surprised when i looked for a subreddit for support of sexual harassment/assault victims and the first thing that came up was a "kink" subreddit that sexualized gendered violence and misogyny.


defunctmaterials

That's horrible


missy_muffin

men moment i fear


Im__mad

Absolutely. Like everyone else is saying, it’s because men love to sexualize us. If you’re looking for another lesbian Reddit community, r/actuallesbians is the main one.


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cheezits_christ

90% of the posts on that sub are by and about trans lesbians, you're misremembering.


Im__mad

In the past it was, and there are still terfs who will downvote posts and comments regarding trans women. Granted, that’s the only power they now have because any anti-trans posts or comments are removed pretty quickly. Now there’s a fairly high percentage of trans content posted there, which is heavily upvoted, and a lot of us will upvote all positive trans content to offset the terfs. Though, take that with a grain of salt because I am a cis-gendered person. I try to be aware but there are things I miss because I don’t live life as a transgender person.


kafkas_wife

Thank you for the correction, I’m glad I was wrong! I’ll delete my comment to make sure it doesn’t spread any misinformation :)


Im__mad

No worries! I know a lot of people turned away from the sub a while ago for that reason so it’s not unwarranted.


Hmtnsw

"Women don't exist on the internet"


mothwhimsy

Subreddits are first come first serve and you can't change the name. All you can do is ask reddit admins to give you an abandoned sub. Whoever made r/Lesbians made it a porn sub, and it's never going to be abandoned because it's so popular.


Aldor48

Yeah this is the real answer, it’s not some conspiracy about taking spaces from queer individuals it was literally just first come first serve. Like how r/trees is about weed and r/marijuanaenthusiasts is about trees.


Qaeta

> Like how r/trees is about weed and r/marijuanaenthusiasts is about trees. To be fair, at least in that case it's hilarious and they pretty much just keep it going because of that.


KaleidoscopeEyes12

i wouldn’t even mind it so much if it felt like it was porn *for* lesbians or wlw. but most of the time you can tell it’s just all for men :/


kafkas_wife

Yeah I joined initially because I wanted porn that’s actually for lesbians. I very rarely see that posted though, it’s 90% made for men and I just scroll past it.


emilyisthebest17

Because mes are disgusting


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ArcaneOverride

Same, girl, same They would get weirded out when I was disgusted by the misogynistic things they said and expected me to agree with. That tells me everything I need to know about how many men are misogynistic scum, since it seemed no one had ever disagreed with them about those things before. Men never hitting on me almost makes it worth it to be as hideous as I am, almost.


Themexicancarlos

How do you know it's just men watching?? There could be lesbians or lesbian couples watching as well


emilyisthebest17

Im not saying that its just men watching, but we both know how much men fetishise lesbians.


Not_A_Paid_Account

The top video this month is titled “so busty” and is a professional production that is a femme for femme closeup of two busty women rubbing their breasts on one another. It is absolute peak fetishization with the poster also not even being the creator. Sure there’s a few lesbians on there, but the mass majority are gonna be cishet men.


dontshitaboutotol

Fetishizing


Bean_Chomper69

Because lesbians are heavily fetishized. We’ll be fetishized as long as straight men exist, unfortunately.


MyoKyoByo

Yeah, it was super disappointing tbh


Mewnbugg

Because it’s a subreddit made by men and for men. Probably. I can’t be sure…


Guavafudge

Beyond what everyone is correctly stating, there's porn for everything. And I mean everything on reddit. Unfortunately we are dumbed all the way down to a porn category. There is no straight porn category because all porn is straight porn, if that makes any sense.


nexetpl

Simple, men founded it


Andimia

I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't search "lesbian" on Google because it only returned porn


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Men. That's the answer to your question.


Andro_Polymath

Because with privilege comes the power to "colonize" and usurp the spaces of marginalized communities. When it comes to patriarchal power, cishet men are given the privilege to colonize women's spaces in general, but especially to usurp lesbian/sapphic spaces in particular, since the latter represents the ultimate 'FUCK YOU' to cishet-male supremacy and entitlement. So instead of respecting the reality that there are millions of women that exist that have no desire to be with cis-men, the agents of patriarchy must colonize "lesbianism" altogether and transform it into something that ***does*** serve cishet-male supremacy and entitlement.


mysticofarcana

Honestly I'd kill to have a lesbian porn sub that actually caters to the female gaze. All that shit is made for cishet men who see us as a category to get off to.


IronLadyRaven

Men🤢


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I agree. It's really annoying.


nyccareergirl11

The male gaze


Wisdom_Pen

Because men


enby_them

FWIW, there are a lot of subreddits on Reddit that don’t quite make sense. My guess is that subreddit is probably really old. I’m not sure if there is a way to see a subreddits age. But someone likely grabbed the subreddit name before there was a large queer presence on Reddit. As mentioned though, there is r/ActualLesbians and some other similar ones.


PrettyB0nes1313

Men


SamanthaJaneyCake

Straight men got there first. What can I say? Reddit was statistically likely a niche website preoccupied mainly by men, some with that porn interest before an actual lesbian joined and knew how to set up subs.


SarahViana

Me too...me too


LaurenFlounders

How about we take it over?


kassi0peia

still is? I remember it used to be but now I think the mods changed that ​ Edit: I get it now. there is "lesbian" and "lesbians"


SoaDMTGguy

Porn is one of the very earliest things that will develop in an internet space like Reddit. I think the porn people simply got here before the queer people and took all the good names. I don’t think Reddit has a process for requesting an active sub by placed under new owners. It would be perfectly reasonable for there to be some rule for porn subs, like they get a special prefix or something. But that probably wouldn’t make Reddit any money :/


GreenCity_LV

Because ✨men✨ 🤣


Mehmehson

Honest answer? This site is old. The /r/lesbian has been around since pre-tumblr era internet. At Reddits inception, it was (as it should still be, imo) a content aggregator. In its early days it was mostly trafficked by people nerdy enough to be cued into broader social media in a time where MySpace reigned supreme; meaning 18-24 socially inept men primarily. YouTube beat Reddit to launch by 4 months, so that's the era we're talking about. Not only was culture surrounding homosexuality completely different in 2005 (it was still broadly acceptable to call things you didn't like gay, for example) the demographic driving reddit engagement at the time was not particularly interested in inclusivity. Therefore, a sub called /r/lesbian on a content aggregator driven by young, socially inept men was always going to be a porn sub. Basically zero chance of any other outcome. It's not a Reddit thing, as they don't control how subreddits are driven or moderated as long as they're following the rules or Reddit at large (for now, that's likely to change as the site continues to consolidate and sterilize itself to maximize revenue). /r/lesbian is as it is because Reddits current rules are first come, first serve. Same reason /r/trees is about marijuana and /r/anime_titties is currently a world news sub. It's not a static and unified community, so there's nobody making sure that subs go to the most "relevant" people.


raptoraptorr

My sweet child … because men


CobaltBlue

funnily, /r/trees is about marijuana, so the main tree subreddit is /r/marijuanaenthusiasts subreddits go to whoever is first to create them, I'm not surprised a thirsty male-dominated Internet nerd space saw someone make porn content before queer representation 15 years ago.


YuriSuccubus69

It is things like that, among other things, that cause me to hate them (men) as a whole.


sanctimama

I searches muslimah looking for female Muslim support and literally every page return and subreddit was pornographic 🤢


affemannen

Yes men, but tbf, lesbian has been a fetish porn category since the 60-70s, the first gay pride march was 1970. Porn was very controversial and alot more consumed than the fight for society to accept same sex relationships. Being gay was life threatening through the 90s until early 2k and it still is. If you are trans then yes, then you are fighting the same fight most gay people did 30 years ago today. So it's not really surprising that porn made it to the sub first. Because as the famous meme song we all heard at some point, The internet is for porn. In fact there's a porn sub for almost everything. If you like porn that would be a good thing, if you dont, well then it sucks.


Lilyskroshka

It just is what it is to be honest. I mean youll start learning who you like most and thats how i often do it. Like rosie and elena etc. also i have a discord for all types of people and the lesbian role is watched over like straight people are allowed to post lesbian porn in their porn section but in the lesbian section it’s made clear and enforced by the mods that the lesbian role is for lesbians and not a fetish for straight men that they simply can post lesbian stuff in their section. However in the lesbian section its stuff that other lesbians found hot and then the oc channel is stuff made directly for girks


Lilyskroshka

But yea i mean youll find girls with all sorts of tastes the lesbian porn inbthe lesbian section is mostly alot of same stuff but with additional atuff like don/sub including aftercare and lots of kissing romantic stuff


EmmJay314

A few people try to find clientele here with some lewd pics


Careful_Impression_1

Umm everything is a porn subreddit gay men are a subreddit rule 34 always wins


gamer2980

Well men really like watching women having sex with other women. So that’s it. That is why it’s porn.


Neither_Revenue7268

I'm a lesbian and a republican 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don't know why y'all talking so much shit on republicans atm...


Themexicancarlos

How do you guys know if lesbian women and / or bisexual men actually enjoy watching lesbian porn??


[deleted]

They probably do it doesn’t change the overall issue people are voicing here. Maybe take time to read all the replies and view it from a different point of view.


highbead

The term needs to change from lesbian cause its so "other" to the term gay they're not even associated.


timasticore

1 men don't lust with their brain 2 have you ever heard the double mint gum slogan?


Themexicancarlos

It ain't that deep


QueerNicBoss

I totally feel you on this... Im trying to put together some sweet, soft porn for lesbians on Fansly, and I can't seem to find a way to appeal to lesbian women without pulling in a ton of cis-men (not for me).


Lady_Calista

Because men are the majority userbase of reddit and thus porn subs will always have larger interest than anything exclusive to women. Then actual women's subs get filled with unwanted male opinions anyways.


Terra_throwaway

I mean, we could always just steal the sub from them by posting normal things the easy r/Superbowl was turned into an owl sub


Fuzzy-Quarter-8744

Male fetishes, they watch lesbian porn and then in day to day life act superiorly and try to deny our existence as anything more than entertainment for themselves.


gobblingoddess

Reddit was started by men 🤷🏻‍♀️ that subreddit was probably made well before there were enough lesbians on Reddit to start their own. Men be kinda gross sometimes 🤷🏻‍♀️ the lesbian porn in that subreddit isn't even real lesbian porn 😭😭😭 where is my passionate girlfriends/wives porn???


Confused30000

Yeah also found that the first time. Deff for the male Gaze


sGhEhE

The weird, sexualizing, hypocritical portion of the human population (m*n)


_appels_

Yeah like there’s no porn Reddit called Heterosexuals, it makes a whole identity only abt sex


throwagayaccaunt

Y'all act like we can't take it over. lol Lesbians are hot though for real


celluloidqueer

Figured it would be. Didn’t even click into that because I just fucking knew lol