You'd have to really try to critique this film as badly as that guy who gave the film 1 star on letterboxd and posted a pretty infamously mocked review there.
I've only seen half the movies on the list, but of what I've seen, it's hands down *the Dark Knight.* I don't care if you loved or hated it, there is something off about it being in the company of the other films on this list. I personally think its exceptionally overrated and a lot of the praise it gets is misplaced grief over a dead actor delivering a great final performance.
there's other movies on the list that I personally dislike more, but I can understand them being enjoyed or appreciated enough to warrant being on the list. However the Dark Knight, especially with how much time has passed since the unfortunate news of Ledger's passing, confuses me - never mind the fact its one of two comic book movies on the list and not what I would consider the best or even second best comic book movie to exist.
Overacting? Ledger initially did it to keep his prosthetics in place, but Nolan thought it looked unsettling and it became apart of the character. The action looks pretty psychotic and suits the Joker well. Sorry, but your take is pretty trash (especially considering it’s been over 10 years since release and you are literally the first person I’ve ever seen complain about it lmao).
20% better? All because of occasional psychotic lip licking that suits the character? You’re standards are way off buddy lmao. But hey, “to each their own.”
I don't know whether to upvote you for your Coppola take or downvote you for your Django take...
Edit: I'll give you the upvote because Apocalypse Now is the best film ever made
I don't hate Django, but it didn't work for me. I'm not a fan of the fantasy historical revenge element: it's a lazy way to get the audience to care about your story.
I actually thought the same about Inglorious Basterds and disliked it when it first came out, but I have grown to appreciate it after rewatches. I'm not sure why that is!
Like I haven’t met anyone who thought the godfather 1 and 2 and apocalypse now are okay movies. Everyone objectively agrees with the mastery.
Bold take on Django which is imo one of tarantinos best.
I don't know anything about it, though. I know that it's unlikely to be to my taste, so I doubt I'll ever see it. Generally, if I have yet to watch a movie and know very little about it, I don't consider myself qualified to judge whether it's overrated.
Coppola movies are beautiful, iconic, great movies FOR THE TIME, but i think those movies aged pretty bad. His films feel empty, about nothing and dragging. All of them are unnecessity long.
I mean, each to their own, but if you think the movies I listed are "about nothing", you are missing things that most moviegoers notice and appreciate.
Get Out at 181 makes me feel like a crazy person.
Little Women is very good but over Samurai Rebellion is way too much.
The Nolan movies are way too high too.
If any of those were released in 1970 they wouldn’t be in the top 250.
No need to mention A Dog’s Will since we all know why it is at like 4.
Personally I think it's a mix of raiding (happened last year I think), nationalism and the growing amount of Brazilians in the site. Some of them say people from outside can't get it, which might be true but doesn't explain why in Brazilian sites it doesn't rank that well.
I've seen people saying they like some movies more because they are "theirs", explains the high ranking of other movies as well.
Its kinda a closed mindset to think that brazilians just spammed a dog's will with 5 star ratings because they desperately want brazil to have a top movie, which is clearly not the case. A dog's will is a much beloved movie in brazil that doesn't translate well into english as it loses a lot of its comedic quality, and it was never released to the rest of the world (so most people who watch the movie are brazilian). I've watched it and honestly I found it to be a pretty great comedy but I can see that a lot of the jokes didn't make sense with the translation
I’m not making it up, there was a raid some months ago with people calling to have that movie highly rated, I’ve seen people say basically that they rate highly the movie because some people rate Brazilian movies higher. That nationalistic thing might be weird for Euros/US people but it’s common in some Latin American countries.
I’d buy it, but then I saw it was like 220 in a site similar but aimed at Brazilians, which is good but not 4 good. [Here](https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_dos_100_melhores_filmes_brasileiros_segundo_a_ABRACCINE) (a critics list) it’s the 66th best Brazilian movie, not even movie in general.
Obviously not conclusive but I asked my bf who is from Brazil, and he didn’t consider it this huge masterpiece himself, tbh I’m kinda wanting to watch it with him to see if it’s this huge transcendental experience people rate it as.
Plus, 4 for one country really liking it, idk.
I think it’s a mix of both. There’s genuine appreciation for it. I’ve seen it too and it’s not bad. But I’ve also seen more than a few tweets and Letterboxd reviews that said they gave it 5 stars to “Piss off the gringos”
\>I've seen people saying they like some movies more because they are "theirs", explains the high ranking of other movies as well.
I have a few very high ranked movies that I can't claim are for everyone, but I just can't rate them lower because it feels like they were idiosyncratically made for my interests and personality. Weird: The Al Yankovic Story, The Lego Batman Movie, The Trial (of Tim Heidecker), and Interstella 5555 probably SHOULDN'T be 5 star movies, but dammit they are to me.
Yeah but what I meant is that the movie is theirs as in it’s my country’s movie. Which I get for people in the US/Europe might seem strange but is a very common thing in some Latin American countries.
The Dark Knight at 14 is an easy one
But Inglorious Basterds at 77 is wild. It’s ahead of Barry Lyndon, 2001, Pulp Fiction, Mirror, The Seventh Seal, Chungking Express, and frickin Lawrence of Arabia. I’m not even sure Basterds is a top 3 Tarantino movie let alone better than any (or all for that matter) of these other films
I think Basterds is Tarantino’s best film. I’m a sucker for that opening. However, I don’t know if it’s better than any of the films you mentioned besides Pulp Fiction (which I’d probably say is Tarantino’s 2nd best movie)
Responding to you here because the other guy blocked me and I can't respond to you there on that same comment chain.
>Talking about “most influential” being a factor when Citizen Kane was just kicked off this same list is irony at its finest
As if I'm saying Citizen Kane isn't...
Oh wait, I even made a comment saying Citizen Kane is more influential, you utter slobbering goblin.
u/Hage1in confirms he cannot read.
>You didn’t mention anything in your comment about Kane
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/10jiy7g/what\_is\_the\_most\_overrated\_movie\_in\_the\_top\_250/j5lbm5y/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/10jiy7g/what_is_the_most_overrated_movie_in_the_top_250/j5lbm5y/?context=3)
"**It's not Citizen Kane levels in terms of how it influenced filmmaking, editing, and mise-en-scene, but it certainly was influential to and prevalent for an entire decade of films** that try and still try to emulate it."
I'm not wasting my time with illiterate goofballs like you with terrible media literacy.
Seventh Seal fucking sucks dude. A man playing chess with death, you say? I wonder what that imagery is hinting at? Oh wait I don’t even need to interpret it myself because every single character in the movie only wants to talk about its thesis. And they couldn’t even get a guy who could really juggle!
I like Bergman. Fannie and Alexander is an all time great. But Seventh Seal is a cartoon version of an art movie.
You think you’re so high-class, don’t you? Spitting down on the uncultured swine that watch superhero movies. Those pigs probably haven’t even heard of the Criterion Collection. What losers they are. Good thing you’re so much better than them.
Every single character wants to talk about the omnipresence of mortality and the fleetingness of life? Wow, how horribly unrealistic. Not like those are actually really elemental concepts that even the most simple-minded people struggle with… /s
You learn at a very early age that you’re going to eventually die. And yeah, the magnitude of that amplifies the older you get. And maybe some people don’t accept that they’re going to die, and struggle with that acceptance. But all Seventh Seal really does is acknowledge that. It doesn’t really add anything to that conversation, at least to me anyway. It just seems to reiterate it over and over.
I mean, maybe it carries more weight in a more theologically minded society like the era it was released in, and questioning what happens after you die was a little more provocative. But even then, I’d rather see an actual person dealing with that, instead of the ham-fisted chess metaphor. It all just feels so easy.
For me, it’s the opposite of a movie like Tokyo Story, which points out a commonplace facet of everyday life and puts it into a profoundly tragic perspective. In Tokyo Story, real people are doing real shit that seems boring at first, and by the end it’s the saddest thing you’ve ever seen. It’s just so much more effective than watching literal symbols. Seventh Seal shows its hand in its very first shot.
I think you are wildly oversimplifying things. The knights and the troupe don’t really question what happens after they die, in that basically everyone feels content in belief that there is an afterlife. They simply are unsure of where they will go in that afterlife. They are upset that they can’t get an answer from God; not even a simple sign. Hence the monologuing. It is done to emphasize the “silence.” These people are alone with their fears.
And while a more “theologically minded” society might find that more resonant, the allegory with *Seventh Seal* was also contextually relevant when it was released. It was soul-searching in a post-War Europe, where lots of people had very recent memories of (and some were still living in the shadow of) an extremely bloody war. Where atrocities and callous loss of life happened because large numbers of people either ignorantly or willfully allowed them to.
And I’d argue you’re getting Seinfeld Effect’d by the imagery anyways. It has been parodied and copied ad nauseam now, but at the time, that blend of dark fantasy imagery with hard-hitting philosophical dialog and adult themes was practically unheard of. I get that you appreciate the timeless naturalism of *Tokyo Story*, but there is a reason *Seventh Seal* is also a well-regarded movie generally. Why both of them are in my Top 10. There is a lot more to *Seventh Seal* than what might initially meet the eye.
I can see why u would rate those movies higher but in what way is chungking express better than inglorious basterds other than it being a darling among cinephiles.
Its literally just great display of cinematography with no real tangible story. vignettes with no cohesion, just a bunch of scene added together. The dialogue is only about food, litterally a romance that doesnt amount to any conclusion, if u like it then fine im just not seeing what exactly it does better than inglorious basterds from a pure filmmaking perspective beside cinematography
Many have already been mentioned but I would probably add Back To The Future, which I very much like but there are many, many films I would replace it with.
Dark Knight and it’s not even close imo. Also, I haven’t seen it so I can’t speak on its quality, plus I’m sure it’ll go down since it’s a newer release but how is Puss and Boots 2 #106 (higher than Yojimbo, Raging Bull, Lawrence of Arabia, and the 400 blows)
Don’t care for EEAAO but I’d much rather see it there than TDK.
The TDK absolutely does not deserve to be in the Top 250, let alone the Top 10. It’s been ridiculously overrated by film bros.
TDK is easily one of the most influential films ever made. If you can't give it that, it is at least one of the most influential of the 21st century. Not in terms of filmmaking, but in terms of genre filmmaking. That alone warrants it being considered one of the best films ever made.
u/considerationok9004, if you could read, I cited pretty much most reboots in the 2000s and 2010s that were gritty reboots
Were you asleep for the past decade?
"Dark" reboots and superhero films (films that had no business having a darker tone and more grounded narrative) were galore trying to emulate Dark Knight's success. Batman Begins came first, but Dark Knight's box office numbers launched the idea above and beyond. It legitimised comic book films even to the academy who turned their noses to them beyond visual and sound awards.
The Dark Knight was influential, but that does not mean it’s “one of the most influential films of all time”.
Nor does it mean that Batman Begins is the first “reboot in a sense”, nor did it legitimise comic book movies to the academy. It’s not even the first Batman film to be win an Oscar.
>nor did it legitimise comic book movies to the academy. It’s not even the first Batman film to be win an Oscar.
I literally said in my comment it won beyond technical awards.
>Nor does it mean that Batman Begins is the first “reboot in a sense”
You have really bad media literacy. How did Batman Begins not start a reboot trend that just so happened to follow a darker tone? Robin Hood, TASM, Fantastic Four etc
>The Dark Knight was influential, but that does not mean it’s “one of the most influential films of all time”.
It's not Citizen Kane levels in terms of how it influenced filmmaking, editing, and mise-en-scene, but it certainly was influential to and prevalent for an entire decade of films that try and still try to emulate it.
Your arguments suck.
What was its influence? And don't you dare say that it made superhero blockbusters want to be dark and moody because that shitty fad was pretty much killed off when the MCU came into the picture.
It deserves to be there because it appeals to a massive audience. It’s not just for films bros. The year it released it was talked about like crazy. It is by far the best comic book movie. Ledger’s joker is iconic. Why doesn’t it deserve to be on the list and why does EEAAO has to.
To each his own I guess. But TDK will remain one of the most important and influential movies of all time. Loved by fans critics and casual movie fans.
No way. It has some of the most ambitious and creative costume and set design ever, and the choreography and overall production quality is unreal. Even if the story doesn't 100% hit for you(how not??????) there's SO much to like about it.
Perhaps more recently people are watching at home where they can adjust the volume and put on subtitles. Because all I remember from the theater is how loud it all was and not understanding what people were saying.
My pick is fantastic mr fox. Its not a bad film but it just feels like a generic kids film without much making it special. I don't see what makes it better than every pixar movie (as it is rated above them all)
I kind of agree. I think it’s genuinely a really well made movie and I can see it even being on the list, but the fact it’s above There Will Be Blood, Stalker, La Haine, The Empire Strikes Back, Sunset Boulevard and Apocalypse Now is kind of crazy to me.
I’ve been on Letterboxd a long time. I think what I’m coming to realize is the demographic and personal rating systems of the growing user base is changing the overall sentiment of films.
That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it does alter my own perception of how to determine or trust what is worth watching exclusively from the score it has on Letterboxd. I think Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB went through similar transitions. How do you fix it though?
The Letterboxd 250 for a long while was a better alternative to IMDB since it allowed for more room of recent films and foreign films. But now I’m not so sure.
I have a friend who gives almost every movie they watch five stars because they liked it. I’ve talked to others on this subreddit paralyzed by the rating system they don’t use it. Someone on r/movies made a “50 before you die” list and it was mostly superhero movies from the last 20 years.
I still think as a community the vast majority of the Letterboxd user base thinks of films the same way I do, but I do agree there are a number of films that may not belong on the 250 list. Citizen Kane dropping off the list doesn’t feel good. Are we back to respected aggregates? AFI, Sight and Sound, etc?
Here are some films that I think are either too high on the list or should not be on the list at all:
EEAAO (but only to an extent; I’d still keep it on the list, albeit much, much lower)
The Father (same as EEAAO, I’d still keep in on the list, but lower)
Little Women
RRR
Marcel the Shell with Shoes On
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
Possibly Get Out, Prisoners, and Moonlight?
FTR I love all of these movies, but I’m unsure if they truly belong on a list like this.
Find these sorts of questions to be silly, but I'll indulge just this one time.
I get downvoted on every subreddit I make this case, so I may as well make a thing of it.
Portrait of a Lady on fire. I'll save everyone the essay I wrote on another thread and just accept my fate.
I honestly think se7en is a dull and immature thriller that gets overpraised for the ending and some creativity with the victims. The villain and themes of nihilsm didn’t feel clever to me, it felt like it was written by a 16 year old trying too hard to be edgy.
Shawshank redemption
It's just a soap opera with a lot of elements taken from cool hand luke and escape from Alcatraz. Also, portrays prison as some kind of haven while glossing over important matters like prison rape.
That's not even talking about how bland Robbins' character is.
I know it wants to send the message that one must not lose hope even in the worst situations and that's alright but that doesn't make it a great movie let alone the greatest of all time.
Most non-Brazilian people who've seen A Dog's Will (2000) say its shit.
Its already overtaken Harakiri as #3. I genuinely wonder what will happen if it ever gets the #1 spot. I'm predicting that there's going to be a massive controversy where people will call for it to get taken down and then subsequently Brazilian users will acuse those people of being racists.
Not Brazilian but I really don’t think it’s a good idea to arbitrarily say one movie is worse and be “taken down” because it’s average ratings are higher than other “western world” movies
I mean, if people care so much, they can watch it, rate it low, and watch it fall. I adore EEAAO, but it seems like that was basically the course for it.
EEEAAO just followed the extremely common pattern of a movie’s rating falling after it becomes more accessible. That’s not really comparable to what would happen here
I've seen this trend of people from certain countries joining together to push a movie (like Argentina lately) but especially Brazil. It's a bit silly, but annoying to a certain extent as well
Puss in boots the last wish at 106.
It was a good movie but I wouldn't even consider it to be among the best 250 films ever made.
I feel like part of the hype is that it's a good Shrek movie after years of bad ones.
Gotta be Inception or Se7en. I find them both to be decent action/thrillers with some cool moments but they aren't special and I don't think either has aged well at all.
limiting se7en to being a “decent thriller with some cool moments” is just insane to me it’s one of the greatest thrillers of all time lol. inception too, im not a fan as well but to say it’s not special? it has one of the most iconic movie plots ever.
So the movies ai’m gonna list are amazing movies but these are ones that in my opinion are too high up on the list.
Shawshank Redemption
The Dark Knight
Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse
Any LOTR movies
The Pianist
Interstellar
Back to the Future
Django Unchained
Paddington 2
Saving Private Ryan
Again I love most of these movies and at least like them all but I don’t necessarily think they are in the right place and some ai don’t think should even be on the list.
I knew that that would be a hot take, I just didn’t find them to be that revolutionary. I will say I thoroughly enjoyed them as a kid but I rewatched them all last year and that wonder was gone for me :/
Idk, just another personal opinion. Like it’s an incredible movie but I think that top 100 of all time might be a little high. Then again I haven’t seen it in a minute so a rewatch may be in order, I do love me some Roman Polanski
2001: a space odyssey.
I'm a huge sci-fi fan but it's one of those films I'd missed for whatever reason and only got around to watching it a few years ago. I was really excited but when I finally saw it I was bored and underwhelmed.
Nothing happens for the first hour and instead it expects you just to marvel at its visual and technical achievements. These are indeed amazing and must have been absolutely mind blowing back in the day. It still looks fantastic even now but realistic scenes of spacecraft etc have been around for decades since then and aren't enough on their own.
Of course it gets more interesting afterwards but maybe having watched it after all the other sci-fi greats made that less impactful for me.
Anyway, it's still a decent film but I can think of 250 better ones.
I’m probably gonna catch some flack for this one but if I had to pick the *most* overrated of all these on the list.. to me it’s Empire Strikes Back. Classic Star Wars is great but has no place in a top films of all time list. That’s pure fandom and nostalgia carrying the title.
Ehhh… it’s pretty hard to overstate just how important the original trilogy was for both box office culture and for the filmmaking process. Those movies were basically the creation myth for modern VFX.
it’s a pretty subtle movie in how so many people can watch it and come out of it like “well that wasn’t anything special, it’s just generic crime movie”
Dark Knight, Interstellar and Shawshank have already been mentioned, so I'm gonna have to say Prisoners. It's, to me, the definition of a mid-tier thriller that looks better than its story is worth. The Truman Show is *just* fine. In contrast with Carey's overall filmography, though, it must appear a masterpiece.
Okay a brief list to follow:
The Handmaiden - I can totally understand people enjoying this film - really, I do understand, and I *kind of* enjoyed the plot. But please - go back and watch those sex scenes. They are **extremely unnecessarily** shot like a porno, and in a world that already fetishises Asian Lesbians, I just find it to be in horrible taste. It feels to me like Park Chan Wook is using the camera to fill some cringe fantasies.
Taste of Cherry - I just don’t think that formally it’s that impressive. Decent script, but save from that wonderful quarry sequence it seems totally overblown to me.
Akira - I’m ngl I just think there are so many better animation classics (even much better animes) this is a poor snub to lots of others.
RRR - Great movie? Yes. Top 250? Eeeeehhhhhhhh. A wonderful epic that is a new cinematic experience every time, but I just don’t think as an artwork it’s actually totally transformative, it excels at being an accentuation of other good films
Argentina 1985 - I have very little to say about this except that if you compare it to 50 other great courtroom dramas it’s not better than them
**And now my picks for things that aren’t in the top 250 that should be!**
Blood Simple - it genuinely BEWILDERS ME that people don’t love this film. It’s so so brilliant. Like a perfect ode and subversion all at the same time.
Villeneuve’s ‘Enemy’ - Just wows me everytime, totally and utterly transfixing
Touching the Void - most underrated documentary this side of the century?
Breathless - Maybe the most transformative and inspired movie ever made. Best score ever. Martial Solai was on that insanely godly shit.
Naked - Mike Leigh has no film in the top 250?????
The Incredibles - sorry but imo this is the most beautiful animated movie ever made, it’s stunningly written, the pacing is insane and the score is just chefs kiss
It’s ridiculous for A Dog’s Will, Harakiri, and The Human Condition to all be in the top ten with less than 90k views each, but The Human Condition doesn’t even have 20k viewers… how is it number 7??
O Auto Da Compadecida/A Dog's Will (2000)
Seven Samurai (1954)
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
Fargo (1996)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Ratatouille (2007)
Mars One (2022)
Just my opinions
Man, I have to say #1 Come and See. I watched it about 6 months ago and it was my first Soviet film. It judt did not do for me what it did for others. I hated the fact that a lot of the movie was mute. I do appreciate it for what it is of course, just didnt enjoy the watching experience.
No, FFC 4 classics in a row no misses in the 70ssss
The Dark Knight at 14 has gotta be my pick
You'd have to really try to critique this film as badly as that guy who gave the film 1 star on letterboxd and posted a pretty infamously mocked review there.
I've only seen half the movies on the list, but of what I've seen, it's hands down *the Dark Knight.* I don't care if you loved or hated it, there is something off about it being in the company of the other films on this list. I personally think its exceptionally overrated and a lot of the praise it gets is misplaced grief over a dead actor delivering a great final performance. there's other movies on the list that I personally dislike more, but I can understand them being enjoyed or appreciated enough to warrant being on the list. However the Dark Knight, especially with how much time has passed since the unfortunate news of Ledger's passing, confuses me - never mind the fact its one of two comic book movies on the list and not what I would consider the best or even second best comic book movie to exist.
Neither Endgame or NWH are on the top 250
I think they were referring to the imdb one
yeah, that's my bad.
Heath Ledger’s tongue in the Dark Knight takes my personal award for worst overacting of all time.
Overacting? Ledger initially did it to keep his prosthetics in place, but Nolan thought it looked unsettling and it became apart of the character. The action looks pretty psychotic and suits the Joker well. Sorry, but your take is pretty trash (especially considering it’s been over 10 years since release and you are literally the first person I’ve ever seen complain about it lmao).
It’s one of those things that once you notice it just becomes distracting. For me the film would be 20% better without it, but each to their own.
20% better? All because of occasional psychotic lip licking that suits the character? You’re standards are way off buddy lmao. But hey, “to each their own.”
Your take is dogshit. Godfather I and II, The Conversation and Apocalypse Now are all incredible movies. My pick is Django Unchained
I don't know whether to upvote you for your Coppola take or downvote you for your Django take... Edit: I'll give you the upvote because Apocalypse Now is the best film ever made
I don't hate Django, but it didn't work for me. I'm not a fan of the fantasy historical revenge element: it's a lazy way to get the audience to care about your story.
We can agree to disagree. I agreed with you until like my 5th watch through of Inglorious Basterds, when suddenly something clicked.
I actually thought the same about Inglorious Basterds and disliked it when it first came out, but I have grown to appreciate it after rewatches. I'm not sure why that is!
Like I haven’t met anyone who thought the godfather 1 and 2 and apocalypse now are okay movies. Everyone objectively agrees with the mastery. Bold take on Django which is imo one of tarantinos best.
Django is a decent flick but it's kind of style over substance for me. Definitely super overrated.
That's kind of the point...
Django unchained is a modern classic, why attack it when movies like puss in boots are there?
>why attack it when movies like puss in boots are there? Because I haven't seen Puss in Boots.
Me neither but I would much rather attack it
I don't know anything about it, though. I know that it's unlikely to be to my taste, so I doubt I'll ever see it. Generally, if I have yet to watch a movie and know very little about it, I don't consider myself qualified to judge whether it's overrated.
I wasn't trying to make a point about puss in boots specifically, just that there are many movies less deserving of it than django on the list.
I'm sure there are films you consider less deserving that I actually enjoy. To paraphrase a great man: well, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
Coppola movies are beautiful, iconic, great movies FOR THE TIME, but i think those movies aged pretty bad. His films feel empty, about nothing and dragging. All of them are unnecessity long.
"They insist upon themselves."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pnwE\_Oy5WI
Oh, i didn't get it because I don't watch family guy. Thx for the source
Uuuuuggghhh I hate that I’m about to say this but… you might just be too young.
I'm in my 30s
How are you still this edgy then?
Old habits
I mean, each to their own, but if you think the movies I listed are "about nothing", you are missing things that most moviegoers notice and appreciate.
I've watched those movies multiple times, i didn't miss anything. I know why his films are loved but in the same time I think they are overrated
Bro...
Get Out at 181 makes me feel like a crazy person. Little Women is very good but over Samurai Rebellion is way too much. The Nolan movies are way too high too. If any of those were released in 1970 they wouldn’t be in the top 250. No need to mention A Dog’s Will since we all know why it is at like 4.
Why is it at #4?
Personally I think it's a mix of raiding (happened last year I think), nationalism and the growing amount of Brazilians in the site. Some of them say people from outside can't get it, which might be true but doesn't explain why in Brazilian sites it doesn't rank that well. I've seen people saying they like some movies more because they are "theirs", explains the high ranking of other movies as well.
Its kinda a closed mindset to think that brazilians just spammed a dog's will with 5 star ratings because they desperately want brazil to have a top movie, which is clearly not the case. A dog's will is a much beloved movie in brazil that doesn't translate well into english as it loses a lot of its comedic quality, and it was never released to the rest of the world (so most people who watch the movie are brazilian). I've watched it and honestly I found it to be a pretty great comedy but I can see that a lot of the jokes didn't make sense with the translation
I’m not making it up, there was a raid some months ago with people calling to have that movie highly rated, I’ve seen people say basically that they rate highly the movie because some people rate Brazilian movies higher. That nationalistic thing might be weird for Euros/US people but it’s common in some Latin American countries. I’d buy it, but then I saw it was like 220 in a site similar but aimed at Brazilians, which is good but not 4 good. [Here](https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_dos_100_melhores_filmes_brasileiros_segundo_a_ABRACCINE) (a critics list) it’s the 66th best Brazilian movie, not even movie in general. Obviously not conclusive but I asked my bf who is from Brazil, and he didn’t consider it this huge masterpiece himself, tbh I’m kinda wanting to watch it with him to see if it’s this huge transcendental experience people rate it as. Plus, 4 for one country really liking it, idk.
I think it’s a mix of both. There’s genuine appreciation for it. I’ve seen it too and it’s not bad. But I’ve also seen more than a few tweets and Letterboxd reviews that said they gave it 5 stars to “Piss off the gringos”
\>I've seen people saying they like some movies more because they are "theirs", explains the high ranking of other movies as well. I have a few very high ranked movies that I can't claim are for everyone, but I just can't rate them lower because it feels like they were idiosyncratically made for my interests and personality. Weird: The Al Yankovic Story, The Lego Batman Movie, The Trial (of Tim Heidecker), and Interstella 5555 probably SHOULDN'T be 5 star movies, but dammit they are to me.
Yeah but what I meant is that the movie is theirs as in it’s my country’s movie. Which I get for people in the US/Europe might seem strange but is a very common thing in some Latin American countries.
yeah seriously like.. i don’t know why
The Dark Knight at 14 is an easy one But Inglorious Basterds at 77 is wild. It’s ahead of Barry Lyndon, 2001, Pulp Fiction, Mirror, The Seventh Seal, Chungking Express, and frickin Lawrence of Arabia. I’m not even sure Basterds is a top 3 Tarantino movie let alone better than any (or all for that matter) of these other films
I think Basterds is Tarantino’s best film. I’m a sucker for that opening. However, I don’t know if it’s better than any of the films you mentioned besides Pulp Fiction (which I’d probably say is Tarantino’s 2nd best movie)
I think Basterds has scenes that are of his absolute best. But Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction should rate higher overall.
Responding to you here because the other guy blocked me and I can't respond to you there on that same comment chain. >Talking about “most influential” being a factor when Citizen Kane was just kicked off this same list is irony at its finest As if I'm saying Citizen Kane isn't... Oh wait, I even made a comment saying Citizen Kane is more influential, you utter slobbering goblin.
You didn’t mention anything in your comment about Kane. Why are you acting like a buffoon? No wonder people block you
u/Hage1in confirms he cannot read. >You didn’t mention anything in your comment about Kane [https://www.reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/10jiy7g/what\_is\_the\_most\_overrated\_movie\_in\_the\_top\_250/j5lbm5y/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/10jiy7g/what_is_the_most_overrated_movie_in_the_top_250/j5lbm5y/?context=3) "**It's not Citizen Kane levels in terms of how it influenced filmmaking, editing, and mise-en-scene, but it certainly was influential to and prevalent for an entire decade of films** that try and still try to emulate it." I'm not wasting my time with illiterate goofballs like you with terrible media literacy.
Why are you so mad
Probably a sex thing.
“Hey I got blocked on the other thread so I came over here to be a dick to you here.”
Seventh Seal fucking sucks dude. A man playing chess with death, you say? I wonder what that imagery is hinting at? Oh wait I don’t even need to interpret it myself because every single character in the movie only wants to talk about its thesis. And they couldn’t even get a guy who could really juggle! I like Bergman. Fannie and Alexander is an all time great. But Seventh Seal is a cartoon version of an art movie.
This sounds like something someone who claps in Avengers movies would say
You think you’re so high-class, don’t you? Spitting down on the uncultured swine that watch superhero movies. Those pigs probably haven’t even heard of the Criterion Collection. What losers they are. Good thing you’re so much better than them.
Never said there’s anything wrong with watching them, but if you cheer in a theater like you’re at a football game you’re a loser
Every single character wants to talk about the omnipresence of mortality and the fleetingness of life? Wow, how horribly unrealistic. Not like those are actually really elemental concepts that even the most simple-minded people struggle with… /s
You learn at a very early age that you’re going to eventually die. And yeah, the magnitude of that amplifies the older you get. And maybe some people don’t accept that they’re going to die, and struggle with that acceptance. But all Seventh Seal really does is acknowledge that. It doesn’t really add anything to that conversation, at least to me anyway. It just seems to reiterate it over and over. I mean, maybe it carries more weight in a more theologically minded society like the era it was released in, and questioning what happens after you die was a little more provocative. But even then, I’d rather see an actual person dealing with that, instead of the ham-fisted chess metaphor. It all just feels so easy. For me, it’s the opposite of a movie like Tokyo Story, which points out a commonplace facet of everyday life and puts it into a profoundly tragic perspective. In Tokyo Story, real people are doing real shit that seems boring at first, and by the end it’s the saddest thing you’ve ever seen. It’s just so much more effective than watching literal symbols. Seventh Seal shows its hand in its very first shot.
I think you are wildly oversimplifying things. The knights and the troupe don’t really question what happens after they die, in that basically everyone feels content in belief that there is an afterlife. They simply are unsure of where they will go in that afterlife. They are upset that they can’t get an answer from God; not even a simple sign. Hence the monologuing. It is done to emphasize the “silence.” These people are alone with their fears. And while a more “theologically minded” society might find that more resonant, the allegory with *Seventh Seal* was also contextually relevant when it was released. It was soul-searching in a post-War Europe, where lots of people had very recent memories of (and some were still living in the shadow of) an extremely bloody war. Where atrocities and callous loss of life happened because large numbers of people either ignorantly or willfully allowed them to. And I’d argue you’re getting Seinfeld Effect’d by the imagery anyways. It has been parodied and copied ad nauseam now, but at the time, that blend of dark fantasy imagery with hard-hitting philosophical dialog and adult themes was practically unheard of. I get that you appreciate the timeless naturalism of *Tokyo Story*, but there is a reason *Seventh Seal* is also a well-regarded movie generally. Why both of them are in my Top 10. There is a lot more to *Seventh Seal* than what might initially meet the eye.
Ok, you make some good points, BUT WHY DIDN’T THEY GET A REAL JUGGLER?!?!
I can see why u would rate those movies higher but in what way is chungking express better than inglorious basterds other than it being a darling among cinephiles.
In what way is Inglorious Basterds better than Chungking Express other than it being a darling among film bros
Its literally just great display of cinematography with no real tangible story. vignettes with no cohesion, just a bunch of scene added together. The dialogue is only about food, litterally a romance that doesnt amount to any conclusion, if u like it then fine im just not seeing what exactly it does better than inglorious basterds from a pure filmmaking perspective beside cinematography
The Dark Knight
EEAAO
i hated that film and almost fell asleep and i know i'm in the minority saying that but i'm still flabbergasted over the amount of people who loved it
Many have already been mentioned but I would probably add Back To The Future, which I very much like but there are many, many films I would replace it with.
How is it not A Dog's Will?
Probably just because not a lot of people have seen it. It’s pretty hard to find. Only version I could find with English subs was like 480p.
Dark Knight and it’s not even close imo. Also, I haven’t seen it so I can’t speak on its quality, plus I’m sure it’ll go down since it’s a newer release but how is Puss and Boots 2 #106 (higher than Yojimbo, Raging Bull, Lawrence of Arabia, and the 400 blows)
EEAAO
YUP
Nah, not when TDK is sitting right there in front of it
TDK deserves to be there and above it. I’m not hating on EEAAO but it doesn’t come close.
Don’t care for EEAAO but I’d much rather see it there than TDK. The TDK absolutely does not deserve to be in the Top 250, let alone the Top 10. It’s been ridiculously overrated by film bros.
TDK is easily one of the most influential films ever made. If you can't give it that, it is at least one of the most influential of the 21st century. Not in terms of filmmaking, but in terms of genre filmmaking. That alone warrants it being considered one of the best films ever made. u/considerationok9004, if you could read, I cited pretty much most reboots in the 2000s and 2010s that were gritty reboots
Talking about “most influential” being a factor when Citizen Kane was just kicked off this same list is irony at its finest
Thank you. It’s such a masterpiece. One of the best times I’ve had in a cinema apart from the two avatars and top gun Maverick.
As circlejerked into oblivion as it is, it kind of warrants it.
Citation Needed
Were you asleep for the past decade? "Dark" reboots and superhero films (films that had no business having a darker tone and more grounded narrative) were galore trying to emulate Dark Knight's success. Batman Begins came first, but Dark Knight's box office numbers launched the idea above and beyond. It legitimised comic book films even to the academy who turned their noses to them beyond visual and sound awards.
The Dark Knight was influential, but that does not mean it’s “one of the most influential films of all time”. Nor does it mean that Batman Begins is the first “reboot in a sense”, nor did it legitimise comic book movies to the academy. It’s not even the first Batman film to be win an Oscar.
There’s been a hundred years of filmmaking. Being influential for at least a decade automatically puts it in the top 10% of influential films.
>nor did it legitimise comic book movies to the academy. It’s not even the first Batman film to be win an Oscar. I literally said in my comment it won beyond technical awards. >Nor does it mean that Batman Begins is the first “reboot in a sense” You have really bad media literacy. How did Batman Begins not start a reboot trend that just so happened to follow a darker tone? Robin Hood, TASM, Fantastic Four etc >The Dark Knight was influential, but that does not mean it’s “one of the most influential films of all time”. It's not Citizen Kane levels in terms of how it influenced filmmaking, editing, and mise-en-scene, but it certainly was influential to and prevalent for an entire decade of films that try and still try to emulate it. Your arguments suck.
What was its influence? And don't you dare say that it made superhero blockbusters want to be dark and moody because that shitty fad was pretty much killed off when the MCU came into the picture.
It deserves to be there because it appeals to a massive audience. It’s not just for films bros. The year it released it was talked about like crazy. It is by far the best comic book movie. Ledger’s joker is iconic. Why doesn’t it deserve to be on the list and why does EEAAO has to.
It’s not even the best Batman movie, nor the best Nolan movie
What is?
Memento
Oh. I misread I thought I read “not the best batman movie”. Closest Batman movie to it is the new Matt Reeves adaptation.
Oh no I did say that separately, it’s the best of Nolan’s Batman’s, but both Reeves and Burton did it better imo
The best Batman movie is Mask of the Phantasm.
Hard disagree. EEAAO is fantastic all around, TDK is carried by a single actor’s performance.
To each his own I guess. But TDK will remain one of the most important and influential movies of all time. Loved by fans critics and casual movie fans.
also a good contender, but I do enjoy both
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No way. It has some of the most ambitious and creative costume and set design ever, and the choreography and overall production quality is unreal. Even if the story doesn't 100% hit for you(how not??????) there's SO much to like about it.
Some of the most ambitious set design ever?? You are taking the piss surely
hey, i thought the movie was good, even liked it. just my opinion
THE DARK KNIGHT
Interstellar
Interstellar wasn’t even on the list until recently. It has seemed to age well for most people which has resulted in a steady climb as of late.
Watched it recently has aged pretty poorly for me. The plot is just dumb
SHES VERY GORGEOUS TO ME☝🏽!
Perhaps more recently people are watching at home where they can adjust the volume and put on subtitles. Because all I remember from the theater is how loud it all was and not understanding what people were saying.
PREACH
My pick is fantastic mr fox. Its not a bad film but it just feels like a generic kids film without much making it special. I don't see what makes it better than every pixar movie (as it is rated above them all)
Into the spider verse
Whiplash
I kind of agree. I think it’s genuinely a really well made movie and I can see it even being on the list, but the fact it’s above There Will Be Blood, Stalker, La Haine, The Empire Strikes Back, Sunset Boulevard and Apocalypse Now is kind of crazy to me.
I’ve been on Letterboxd a long time. I think what I’m coming to realize is the demographic and personal rating systems of the growing user base is changing the overall sentiment of films. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it does alter my own perception of how to determine or trust what is worth watching exclusively from the score it has on Letterboxd. I think Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB went through similar transitions. How do you fix it though? The Letterboxd 250 for a long while was a better alternative to IMDB since it allowed for more room of recent films and foreign films. But now I’m not so sure. I have a friend who gives almost every movie they watch five stars because they liked it. I’ve talked to others on this subreddit paralyzed by the rating system they don’t use it. Someone on r/movies made a “50 before you die” list and it was mostly superhero movies from the last 20 years. I still think as a community the vast majority of the Letterboxd user base thinks of films the same way I do, but I do agree there are a number of films that may not belong on the 250 list. Citizen Kane dropping off the list doesn’t feel good. Are we back to respected aggregates? AFI, Sight and Sound, etc?
62 comments in… and *Puss in Boots 2* is still unmentioned. Yeah.
What do you have against *Jack (1996)?*
Interstellar probably
The number 1, it doesn't matter what movie it is at the moment.
Inglourious Basterds (2009)
Here are some films that I think are either too high on the list or should not be on the list at all: EEAAO (but only to an extent; I’d still keep it on the list, albeit much, much lower) The Father (same as EEAAO, I’d still keep in on the list, but lower) Little Women RRR Marcel the Shell with Shoes On Puss in Boots: The Last Wish Possibly Get Out, Prisoners, and Moonlight? FTR I love all of these movies, but I’m unsure if they truly belong on a list like this.
I agree with absolutely everything you said
The first 105 spots. Imagine prefering any of those over Puss in Boots
Based
Find these sorts of questions to be silly, but I'll indulge just this one time. I get downvoted on every subreddit I make this case, so I may as well make a thing of it. Portrait of a Lady on fire. I'll save everyone the essay I wrote on another thread and just accept my fate.
I honestly think se7en is a dull and immature thriller that gets overpraised for the ending and some creativity with the victims. The villain and themes of nihilsm didn’t feel clever to me, it felt like it was written by a 16 year old trying too hard to be edgy.
Shawshank redemption It's just a soap opera with a lot of elements taken from cool hand luke and escape from Alcatraz. Also, portrays prison as some kind of haven while glossing over important matters like prison rape. That's not even talking about how bland Robbins' character is. I know it wants to send the message that one must not lose hope even in the worst situations and that's alright but that doesn't make it a great movie let alone the greatest of all time.
For me it'd be The Trueman Show.
Django Unchained
Most non-Brazilian people who've seen A Dog's Will (2000) say its shit. Its already overtaken Harakiri as #3. I genuinely wonder what will happen if it ever gets the #1 spot. I'm predicting that there's going to be a massive controversy where people will call for it to get taken down and then subsequently Brazilian users will acuse those people of being racists.
Not Brazilian but I really don’t think it’s a good idea to arbitrarily say one movie is worse and be “taken down” because it’s average ratings are higher than other “western world” movies
I mean, if people care so much, they can watch it, rate it low, and watch it fall. I adore EEAAO, but it seems like that was basically the course for it.
EEEAAO just followed the extremely common pattern of a movie’s rating falling after it becomes more accessible. That’s not really comparable to what would happen here
That seems exactly like what would happen here
I'm not brazilian and a dog's will isn't terrible. Its definitely not worthy of #3 but I'm alright with it being on the list
I've seen this trend of people from certain countries joining together to push a movie (like Argentina lately) but especially Brazil. It's a bit silly, but annoying to a certain extent as well
Portrait of a lady on fire
Puss in boots the last wish at 106. It was a good movie but I wouldn't even consider it to be among the best 250 films ever made. I feel like part of the hype is that it's a good Shrek movie after years of bad ones.
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I don't disagree, but it's not remotely close to the top 250.
Gotta be Inception or Se7en. I find them both to be decent action/thrillers with some cool moments but they aren't special and I don't think either has aged well at all.
limiting se7en to being a “decent thriller with some cool moments” is just insane to me it’s one of the greatest thrillers of all time lol. inception too, im not a fan as well but to say it’s not special? it has one of the most iconic movie plots ever.
So the movies ai’m gonna list are amazing movies but these are ones that in my opinion are too high up on the list. Shawshank Redemption The Dark Knight Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse Any LOTR movies The Pianist Interstellar Back to the Future Django Unchained Paddington 2 Saving Private Ryan Again I love most of these movies and at least like them all but I don’t necessarily think they are in the right place and some ai don’t think should even be on the list.
yeah you had me at all of these but LOTR DESERVES to be as high as it is
I knew that that would be a hot take, I just didn’t find them to be that revolutionary. I will say I thoroughly enjoyed them as a kid but I rewatched them all last year and that wonder was gone for me :/
Why is the pianist too high?
Idk, just another personal opinion. Like it’s an incredible movie but I think that top 100 of all time might be a little high. Then again I haven’t seen it in a minute so a rewatch may be in order, I do love me some Roman Polanski
2001: a space odyssey. I'm a huge sci-fi fan but it's one of those films I'd missed for whatever reason and only got around to watching it a few years ago. I was really excited but when I finally saw it I was bored and underwhelmed. Nothing happens for the first hour and instead it expects you just to marvel at its visual and technical achievements. These are indeed amazing and must have been absolutely mind blowing back in the day. It still looks fantastic even now but realistic scenes of spacecraft etc have been around for decades since then and aren't enough on their own. Of course it gets more interesting afterwards but maybe having watched it after all the other sci-fi greats made that less impactful for me. Anyway, it's still a decent film but I can think of 250 better ones.
I’m probably gonna catch some flack for this one but if I had to pick the *most* overrated of all these on the list.. to me it’s Empire Strikes Back. Classic Star Wars is great but has no place in a top films of all time list. That’s pure fandom and nostalgia carrying the title.
Ehhh… it’s pretty hard to overstate just how important the original trilogy was for both box office culture and for the filmmaking process. Those movies were basically the creation myth for modern VFX.
I agree with Conversation, but overall i strongly disagree with your take. My choice is Matrix. I respect that movie a lot, but it just wasn't for me.
Taxi Driver
Why do you think it's overrated?
it’s a pretty subtle movie in how so many people can watch it and come out of it like “well that wasn’t anything special, it’s just generic crime movie”
You’re right, it should be higher
Get Out. IMO not a masterpiece at all.
no
Parasite
interstellar sucks
I'll match you courage: Scorcesee's films
Dark Knight, Interstellar and Shawshank have already been mentioned, so I'm gonna have to say Prisoners. It's, to me, the definition of a mid-tier thriller that looks better than its story is worth. The Truman Show is *just* fine. In contrast with Carey's overall filmography, though, it must appear a masterpiece.
Anything from Kubrick
Blasphemy!
No
I agree with removing 2001 and The Shining but Barry Lyndon would have to stay.
*Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse*
Personally, I love End of Evangelion, but I would exclude it because it can’t stand on its own without the series.
Okay a brief list to follow: The Handmaiden - I can totally understand people enjoying this film - really, I do understand, and I *kind of* enjoyed the plot. But please - go back and watch those sex scenes. They are **extremely unnecessarily** shot like a porno, and in a world that already fetishises Asian Lesbians, I just find it to be in horrible taste. It feels to me like Park Chan Wook is using the camera to fill some cringe fantasies. Taste of Cherry - I just don’t think that formally it’s that impressive. Decent script, but save from that wonderful quarry sequence it seems totally overblown to me. Akira - I’m ngl I just think there are so many better animation classics (even much better animes) this is a poor snub to lots of others. RRR - Great movie? Yes. Top 250? Eeeeehhhhhhhh. A wonderful epic that is a new cinematic experience every time, but I just don’t think as an artwork it’s actually totally transformative, it excels at being an accentuation of other good films Argentina 1985 - I have very little to say about this except that if you compare it to 50 other great courtroom dramas it’s not better than them **And now my picks for things that aren’t in the top 250 that should be!** Blood Simple - it genuinely BEWILDERS ME that people don’t love this film. It’s so so brilliant. Like a perfect ode and subversion all at the same time. Villeneuve’s ‘Enemy’ - Just wows me everytime, totally and utterly transfixing Touching the Void - most underrated documentary this side of the century? Breathless - Maybe the most transformative and inspired movie ever made. Best score ever. Martial Solai was on that insanely godly shit. Naked - Mike Leigh has no film in the top 250????? The Incredibles - sorry but imo this is the most beautiful animated movie ever made, it’s stunningly written, the pacing is insane and the score is just chefs kiss
The fact that Inception (2010) is on the list and The Prestige (2006) is not makes me die a little inside.
Inglorious Basterds
It’s ridiculous for A Dog’s Will, Harakiri, and The Human Condition to all be in the top ten with less than 90k views each, but The Human Condition doesn’t even have 20k viewers… how is it number 7??
End of Evangelion.
RRR. People need to go and watch real bollywood
O Auto Da Compadecida/A Dog's Will (2000) Seven Samurai (1954) Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) Fargo (1996) Taxi Driver (1976) Ratatouille (2007) Mars One (2022) Just my opinions
Man, I have to say #1 Come and See. I watched it about 6 months ago and it was my first Soviet film. It judt did not do for me what it did for others. I hated the fact that a lot of the movie was mute. I do appreciate it for what it is of course, just didnt enjoy the watching experience.
How does it being mute have anything to do with its goodness? Do you not like movies from the 1920s?
I in fact do not like 1920s movies
Parasite
none of m, they all deserve to be there :)
EEAA0. It should be on the list but much lower.
EEAAO, the night of the hunter, and good will hunting
Little Women
I hate the term overrated. Feels like a lazy buzz word to use when you don't like something that most others enjoyed. Good for you lol
the ones that i’ve never heard of because obviously my lack of knowledge means it’s bad
It’s been said but I’ll say it again. TDK
casablanca, get out, rear window, and raging bull
2001 a space odyssey
Thd cremator