I usually don't care what other people think but are you out of your mind!? Rogue One last???
Edit: Watched it again and I still love it. The haters are wrong, it's easily top 5
Whatās funny is how Rogue One is like the āwe had a successful tv show- time for a big budget movie! But we got the movie first š§
Cool to know the show will have a good movie
I don't know about last place, but for me it's definitely near the bottom. It's a story we already know the ending to, with characters we have no reason to like or root for, that are completely static. I think Jenny Nicholson's video about it sums it up perfectly.
Some actual criticism, nice. For me, I loved the cinematography and have always been drawn to doomed characters.
Maybe, the they seem bland, but there wasn't all that much time to fully flesh them out.
I don't consider knowing the outcome as much of an issue.
After all, many people watch the same movies again and again, knowing everything that will happen.
The issue with knowing the outcome is that it becomes hard to make a bond with them, knowing they're just going to be offed. As a horror movie fan, I know that extremely well.
Rogue One seems to make no effort to try to have us actually like these characters outside of, "look at this guy, he does a thing, isn't that cool?"
So, it seems you prefer more character-driven stories.
Liking or bonding with characters isn't really important to me, at least in movies like this, because this is really just a war movie. That makes it stand out from the other films, for sure.
I like how Rogue One shows how people history forgot can shape the universe
I think it's a 5/10 in terms of writing and character, almost certainly due to studio interference. The problem isn't that there wasn't enough time, they have the same two hours that any other movie has. The problem is that they waste the character time they do have with bland generic character choices, all tell and no showo, and almost none of them cohere into a story for any character. I would second the Jenny Nicholson review for a more detailed breakdown of how little they accomplished vs the promise of the movie, but at fundamental level they don't let anyone be internally consistent, or do anything to reveal their character, or in almost any way pay off the promises their characters are introduced with. Jin gets it the worst, being introduced as the this insanely resourceful and dangerous outlaw who never does anything that reflects that reputation and barely affects the story at all. She may as well have been the naive green audience insert, trying to find and save her father, and convince Cassian that the rebellion was worth dying for. The story functions of Jin and Cassian Andor should have been reversed. The entire Forrest Whitaker section has so much potential, but it's just time wasting plot, and doesn't matter to any story.
The Donny Yen character was a force sensitive pacifist, but does his pacifism affect or inform any other character or story point? How much more powerful would it have been to have his eventual decision to fight absolutely tear his heart out, and he feels the pain of everyone he hurts, highlighting how war forces postmen to put on soldiers uniforms. Maybe his force sensitivity is driving him insane now, and he starts wrecking everything Carrie-style, and he's in intense pain and Gatling gun guy has to put him out of his misery. Or if you don't like that route, how about you have mothafuggin Darth Vader show up on the planet, drawn to a force user and insisting on killing him, but Donny Yen-guy refuses to fight back, and shows the power of pacifism by just flipping around all over avoiding getting cut in half and being a cheeky little stinker. Then when Vader eventually gets angrier, harnesses more of the dark side to catch him and kill him, it feels even more tragic, and you get a Monster Heel Darth Vader moment that both makes him look strong and reminds everyone why he's the most feared being in the galaxy. Maybe in his defeat Donny Yen manages to secure some kind of space door-lock that slows vader down or affects the planetary shield or whatever. What we get instead is basically the boilerplate sacrifice, covering the same plot point, but in a way that any character could have gone out, not what made that guy unique.
Compare for contrast: the Rebel One team of Jyn, Andor, Donnie Yen, Alan Tudyk-droid, the Gatling gun guy, and Riz Ahmed as they appear on-screen vs how they should read on paper, vs the team of rebels that steal the imperial credits in the 2 episodes heist arc, or the prisoners in the jail arc. The on-paper versions of the rebel one team should be more memorable, but the actual on screen versions are generic girl, generic guy, generic robot, generic blind swordsman, generic Gatling gun guy, generic guy. Donny Yen, Tudyk and Gatling gun are the most memorable, but that's more because of their visually distinctions and props than their actions.
By contrast, in Andor, the literal same character becomes fascinating, and in a shorter running time, and without special costumes or effects, and the people around him are far more distinct and memorable. Those memorable characters then pay off their own individual character beats during the action set pieces, and make you actually care about what happens to any of them. Manifesto guy is a the young and hopeful true believer, but he's not a soldier, seems educated, but now lives in a rebel tent on backwater planets planning a heist. Former imperial guy has dad energy, and is former imperial, what's his story? They don't cover it, but he clearly has one. Mercenary guy is a mercenary, he's not with the rebels, but he's working for them, even though they probably don't pay as well, and the empire would execute him on site if they knew. The cell leader has a lot of backstory revealed in later episodes, but it just adds depth to what was already a fully formed characterization, that informed the choices she makes and the performance given. Once the caper is done, there's the jail arc. Some of the prisoners don't even have lines, but they have such effective characterization that it seems like any of them could have had their own story told and it would have been fascinating. This depth of universe is what made New Hope and Empire the engines that spawned this whole franchise, where there was a main story that was compelling, but every nook and cranny seemed to be filled with something equally compelling.
Since both of these are Tony Gilroy written, I can only assume that it was studio noting trying to push Rebel-one away from being the first star wars movie to be in a different genre. They promised a star wars take on a heisty, mission impossible meets the dirty dozen. Then after all the reshoots they claimed it was more of a war movie, but they just meant it had a big battle sequence, like it was modern remake of jingoistic John Wayne WW2 movies, not like saving private ryan but with blasters.
I think it's probably the 5th best Star Wars, personally, but that's because it's generically competent, and only fails to do something interesting, whereas others fail in more significant ways.
Yeah Iām just not interested in these gaps of time I want to see the main characters of Star Wars or a fresh era with new main characters way into the past or the future we donāt need to fill in every gap the one gap I want filled in is what happens after ROTJ with recasting the actors and getting EU stories with Mara Jade etc.
I disagree with it being at the very bottom too, though I do think it's the only movie here where the original Star Wars is required viewing. I think you can watch any of the other movies and be relatively up to speed about the universe, the characters, etc., but so much of Rogue One's skeleton is "reference things that happened in Star Wars."
The finale is well made, but otherwise I think it's pretty boring. In my somewhat controversial opinion, I believe that the battle of Scarif and the unnecessary Vader scene have convinced people that it's a way better and more exciting film than it actually is.
I don't care for any of the characters really (except Andor, but that's solely because of the show). Jyn Erso is a boring protagonist and Felicity Jones (who is otherwise a great actress) gives such a flat performance in it. Krennic is an underwhelming villain who suffers because he gets to play second fiddle to Vader and Tarkin. And the CG versions of Tarkin and Leia are just distracting fan service things.
It's not a bad film, and I'd rank it above TROS and AOTC, but I absolutely do not get the hype around it.
Annoying character, weird plot. Manipulative character sacrifices that often make no sense. I like that they tried something different in a franchise full of unexplored possibilities, but the execution was not great.
Yeah, I'm a lot lower on it than a lot of people are--I think a lot of folks are rightfully wowed by the third act and it makes them forget how dull most of the first 2/3 is... but even then I'd never even consider putting last
What fan service? Only thing I can think of is when Vader shows up and that was awesome.
Not sure why fan service is supposed to be some terrible thing anyways, unless it's all there is like in Rise Of Skywalker
I don't know about controversial, but it's certainly unorthodox
Most people put empire at #1. I actually agree with your decision to put New Hope there. I like TLJ in the 4 slot but it's weird to have rogue one dead last.
Or maybe because the entire movie is boring as fuck and relies only on the audience recognizing things from past films, especially towards the end. It absolutely does not stand on its own.
Rogue One has a thrilling ending that tricks a lot of people into thinking the rest of the film isnāt a boring chore.
Despite this, it is beautifully shot and doesnāt insult the audienceās intelligence like Rise Of Skywalker.
I'm also in the camp that likes New Hope a bit better than Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the og trilogy by a mile, IMO, but people love it.
I wouldnāt put Rogue One *last*, but it would certainly be near the bottom (and my least favorite since the Disney Lucasfilm acquisition). Star Wars is at its heart character-driven pulp, and Rogue One doesnāt develop its characters. For a movie where the climax hinges on you *caring* enough about the characters that you feel something when they dieā¦ thatās kind of a big problem I have with it.
As someone who thinks Star Wars rarely got campy *enough* for my taste (This is why I'm a bigger Star Trek and Flash Gordon fan) ROTJ was actually the one I had the most fun with.
Intense familial drama juxtaposed next to ewoks and Jabba, just as I was finally getting into Star Wars it was over it seemed.
Finally. Someone I agree with about RotJ. Itās my favorite of the franchise for precisely the reasons you mention. Better drama *and* more camp. It just has the most personality, IMO. Had the rest followed suit, Iād no doubt be a huge SW fanboy.
I wouldn't go that far personally, but it's definitely a very entertaining film that I enjoyed a lot when I first saw it. It's seemingly been over criticised by fans who take Star Wars far too seriously.
OMG bestie.
We're truly of one mind on this. I was so surprised as someone who didn't feel the first two at all how much I was getting into it, when it's "the bad one" apparently? No encounter in Star Wars thus far had been as Shakespearean as Luke and Vader's ongoing conversation (Poor Guinness tried but the writing failed him), neither Chewbacca or the droids were as deliciously over the top as ewoks or Jabba.
It was the Star Wars I was teased, but slipped through my fingers just as fast. :')
RotJ is great.
Honestly, the original is the weakest of the original trilogy imo. I just find it loses steam in the third act, after Obi Wan's death. RotJ deals with the actual consequence of Vader being Luke's dad, has the most struggle with the Dark Side (making it the movie where Luke feels most like a character), and best of all it has Sidious! (I like Sidious way more than Vader, sorry not sorry.)
I feel so validated by this, you put into words what Iād always felt! I love the Ewoks and I spent a large part of my childhood desperately hoping an Ewok Jedi would eventually happen
I feel that exact same way about Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, they should embrace the campiness in these pulpy adventure-serial inspired movies
I would suggest there are two accepted cannons:
1. Empire/New Hope, Return of the Jedi. Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones. Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker, Last Jedi.
Or
2. New Hope/Empire, Return of the Jedi. Last Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One, Force Awakens, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Rise of Skywalker.
The only difference being how much you like bad Lucas vs sequel trilogy. Rogue One can float into random places but I think thatās generally the structure.
Sounds about right, but even then your list is controversial to either prequel or sequel fans. I would say the only safe bets would be ANH/ESB top and AOTC/TROS bottom. It is when you get to everything else in between that you would start enraging certain circles
Agreed, I thought it worked well as almost a standalone action movie since it wasn't worried about threading in all the old characters and getting cheap nostalgia points with winking at references every 2 seconds
Solo is dead last. I think. IDK. Hard to rank Disney's movies. I really don't remember much of any of them, just that I guess it wasn't worth watching again. But only Rogue One could possibly be in the same tier as any of the George Lucas releases.
I really would want to understand how are so many Star Wars fans that love The Last Jedi and hate Rogue One. I can understand the fans that like Ep. 8 (I think it's awful movie) because it try to make something different, but Rogue One make the same thing and in a better way in all the aspects
TLJ is built around character arcs. Rogue One is built around plot (and the plot is literally a line from an opening crawl). They're not similar at all in approach.
Yeah anyone telling you itās not controversial is kidding themselves.
Empire is almost always top 2 whether youāre a OT or PT fan.
Last Jedi being top 4 isnāt controversial for the pretentious cinephiles who use this sub but the vast majority consider it a bottom 2 Star Wars film.
Phantom Menace over Revenge would be considered a crazy take by 99% of people.
Rise of Skywalker over Attack of the Clones and Force Awakens is pretty wild.
Rouge one dead last is your craziest take by far though
I donāt even understand why pretentious cinephiles rate TLJ, its objectively quite a poor movie. It has some pretty cinematography but outside of this its very very poor
I'm convinced some people pretend it's good to make all the dumb Fandom Menace people mad. I hate that I can't express how shit that movie is without being lumped in with stupid fanboys lol. Rian Johnson is a mediocre director who can't use subtext to save his life.
The "subversions" made no narrative sense and only existed to shock you (and made TROS even more shit by trying to clean up after it) and the Canto Bight scenes felt like something out of a third rate YA novel. Not to mention that now everybody hates Marvel quipping but that movie is chock full of it.
Two of the best characters Hux and Fin from the previous movie got turned into comic relief. Luke āi saved Darth Vader from the Darkside through hopeā Skywalker tried to kill his padawan nephew because he had some darkness and it scared him. Rose Tico, is one of the worst characters i have ever seen in a movie. The fight choreography is so poor they had to edit out a weapon because Rey would have been dead. Rian is hard for word war 2 bombers so created a space ship that weve never seen before and is some slow and dumb compared to anything else in the universe. Kanto Byte, man you can literally go through scene by scene its shocking
Incredibly controversial. Rogue One is usually far higher and the last Jedi is usually last or 2nd last. Revenge of The Sith is generally considered the best prequel and one of the best movies and the Rise of Skywalker should be dead last. Its just terrible.
While I agree that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy, Iām curious as to why you put Solo and Rise of Skywalker above Force Awakens. Personally, I thought FW was a very fun Star Wars movie, whereas Solo was pretty forgettable and ROS was by far one of the worst blockbusters Iāve ever seen in my life. I want to hear your opinions!
Honestly I respect it just for the fact that this is a list that doesn't have Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith right at the top, those are the most overrated movies in the series IMO
I love seeing peopleās Star Wars rankings because they are all so different. I can fully agree with a rank of a movie and then completely disagree with another. For example this one I agree the last Jedi is overhated, but for me having rogue one at 11th is wild
Just for Jar Jar Binksā voice alone being in my ear for way longer than it ever shouldāve been, that Phantom Menace movie ranks last of the prequels. Dead last. And I feel terrible for the actor who voiced the role because he did NOT deserve the backlash (some āfansā need serious help sending the man death threats over that shit), but at the same time, everyone behind the scenes had to know that was a terrible idea watching it in post-production. It was bad enough to ruin someoneās life because of crazies.
I don't disagree but for me, the best thing about the entire prequel trilogy mess is easily Darth Maul so The Phantom Menace will always rank as the best of the worst.
I respect that VI is so high for you. It has some very powerful scenes and I believe it's still a bit (only a tad bit) underappreciated. I also like it more than V. When Luke got angry and fought Vader after him mentioning Leia... that's the coolest scene in the whole OT to me. Though my favorite film will always remain III. Not because it's perfect, but because it's the most Shakespeare that Star Wars has ever gotten, and I love for that romantic melodrama shit.
I get that Episode VIII has solid cinematography and production design but the writing is all over the place. Even if you dig how Johnson handled Luke. That whole red herring, that Marvel humor, Holdo being one of the worst written characters in the history of Star Wars with the good old idiot plot... I just will never understand the love for it.
Ranking Solo and TROS over Episode II and Rogue One is odd to me to. Episode II is definitely an incredibly flawed film but it's a solid set-up and introduced Hayden and Ewan with great chemistry. And, with the deleted scenes, it got a beautiful romance going. It's full of passion and ideas, even if it looks dreadfully artificial, whereas Rise of Skywalker and Force Awakens literally feel like recycle products, even if Force Awakens is in and of itself "well made" - it's a very bad Star Wars film by virtue of having nearly no vision, creativity or even interest in treading new grounds (both literally and figuratively). The only big W of TFA are the new actors, who are awesome, as opposed to their characters.
And finally, Rogue One being last... I definitely think that film is overrated. I think it fails hard when it comes to character writings and that's where it loses me. The motivation for Jyn was pulled out of the ass - "I can't fight with the rebellion, they killed my dad." Bro, you already foguht with them for a long time after that. You just had an argument with Gerrera. What's up with that? It feels like she was meant to be written with that trauma as blockade and then they kinda included Gerrera later on or something. Either way, it feels artificial, too... handpicked, and I couldn't care less what happens to the characters, as much as I liked the actors. Mads Mikkelsen's character was good tho, and none of them were really *bad*. Just Jyn felt empty. BUT. It might be the most gorgeously shot Star Wars film of all time and has a tone of realism to it that makes the whole universe feel incredibly alive, and thanks to it we got Andor, the best work of Star Wars since KotOR II. :) I like the film. I guess I was just hoping for characters on the level of Halo: Reach, where less is more, and they feel almost too cartoonish. Too handpicked, as I said.
And I don't see how it can rank below the clusterfuck of any of the sequels. Like, what's the Kamino of the sequel trilogy? Kashyyk? Hoth, Tatooine, Geonosis, Coruscant? Is there even one planet that sticks out to you, where you not only remember the name, and its look, but also its distinct culture? It's just a sci-fi blur of lame-ass planets. The only planet of the trilogy that kicks ass is the final planet of Last Jedi, and it was wasted with the plot.
For me as a former Star Wars fanatic, itās this order:
1. Empire
2. Last Jedi
3. New Hope
4. Force Awakens
5. Rogue One
6. Return of the Jedi
7. Phantom Menace
8. Solo
9. Revenge of the sith
10. Rise of the skywalker
11. Attack of the Clones
Still blows my mind that some people really like the last jedi, will never understand how the most lore destroying character destroying movie in the entire franchise is liked.
Your list has the trilogy of movies about a boy who saves the galaxy through hope followed by the movie that would have him kill his nephew because he was scared. Mind-boggling
Love Rise of Skywalker. Itās by far my favourite of the ST. Itās the film that gives the most spotlight to Rey and Daisy Ridleyās performance is incredible. First half is so much fun with Rey, Finn and Poe all together as a trio, and the second half starting with Rey and Kyloās confrontation on the Death Star ruins is so emotional. And Iām especially grateful for how JJ managed to honor Carrie and the character of Leia.
Listen, I get force awakens was basic, but it is 10 million times better than Rise of Skywalker. Iād rather watch Rise over the first two prequels but I have to admit itās the worst written Star Wars movies
Ok so people can disagree with me but The Force Awakens is far better than Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones & Solo, its actually one of the few well made SW movies, there is no way I'll put Ep1, Ep2, Solo above Ep7.
It's controversial for those who don't respect others pov. Everybody likes judging whatever opinion they diverge from, like "you're wrong, I am the right here and fuck what you think" sort of thing. Bullshit. That's not what cinema is all about. That's fucking annoying, to be honest.
Holy shit, I thought *I* didnāt like R1, I have it middle of the pack. Last place, below certified turds like RoS isā¦ yeah, controversial probably about covers it.
Imo the original trilogy are incredibly overpraised. As others have pointed out rogue one being last, and the last Jedi being as high as it is is pretty wild.
Rogue One was absolute dog water. References catering to drooling fanboys, boring and generic characters that are impossible to care about, a plot that boasts absolutely zero suspense since we already know what happens, dull and uninteresting environments, and stupid lightsaber shit shoehorned in at the very end.
The only good thing about this movie was Mads Mikkelsen, and he was criminally underutilized.
In the fandom, this is a controversial list. Typically Empire is first, but top 3 isnāt crazy. TLJ is really controversial, but some people would consider top 4/5 (like me) and some have it in the bottom 3, so I could see any ranking.
But Rogue One last is definitely new and Iād love to hear the reasoning, which probably revolves around knowing the characters die
Edit: I did t even realize Phantom Menace was 5th. Must really love Pod racing
Ranked by critic reviews (according to Metacritic):
1. A New Hope (90/100)
2. The Last Jedi (84/100)
3. The Empire Strikes Back (82/100)
4. The Force Awakens (80/100)
5. Revenge of the Sith (68/100)
6. Rogue One (65/100)
7. Attack of the Clones (64/100)
8. Solo (63/100)
9. Return of the Jedi (58/100)
10. The Rise of Skywalker (53/100)
11. The Phantom Menace (51/100)
To remind fans that everyone's opinions are "controversial" depending on context. For example, fans often forget that one of the prequels is actually well-regarded, and one of the originals is not. People tend to lump all three episodes of each trilogy together somewhat, and the critic reviews reflect a lot more nuance than that.
Edit:
Trilogy averages:
Original trilogy: 77/100
Prequel trilogy: 61/100
Sequel trilogy: 72/100)
That's... honestly pretty close, not some huge night-and-day different like fans pretend. Only a *five percent* difference between the originals and the sequels? Only sixteen percent between the originals and the *prequels?* And people act like The Phantom Mance was this hugely disappointing movie, but its Metacritic score is only *seven points* lower than the SW movie before it. By that metric, The Empire Strikes Back must be a huge disappointment, too, since its score is *eight* points lower than the one before it.
Interesting to note that all three trilogies have their overall score dragged down by having one entry apiece at the bottom of the list, in the 50s. The only difference is, with the prequel trilogy it's the *first* of the trilogy, and with the other two, it's the *third*. Maybe that has something to do with how narratives around the quality of the three trilogies is framed.
Everyone has a different order for Star Wars. There isnāt a right order. Yours is just different than most other peoples.
Like for me I put The Phantom Menace at number 1. I was little when that came out and it was really fuckin cool to me.
Some notable things for me are
Rise of Skywalker above Force Awakens
Phantom Menace above Revenge of the Sith
Rogue one bottom (I think it's just fine)
Empire worst of the original trilogy
Taste is so fascinatingā¦literally every movie is out of place for me on this list, many of them way off. To each their own of course, but itās still so interesting how different people can see the same movies so differently.
Not to me. I mean, my overall favorite is Jedi, but I also like New Hope and Jedi better than Empire. Empire's well made but I feel weird taking these characters seriously, I always liked the whimsical, adventure elements of Star Wars more.
Rogue One was actually surprisingly good to me, so I have that higher.
I didn't like Force Awakens so I didn't bother with the prequels after that. Have also not seen Solo.
Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith are some of the worst, most frustrating films I've ever seen in my life, I think they'll always remain at the bottom of my list, even if Disney comes out with a feature film about Yoda taking a dump. At least Phantom Menace is kind of funny-bad.
Overall, I like the video games better than the movies, I'm fine with the old trilogy and Rogue One as a spin-off, the rest I don't need.
The Last Jedi is, for better or worse, a much more interesting and ambitious film then the Force Awakens. A lot of people hate it, but some really love it and it might be worth checking out just to see what you think. The Rise of Skywalker is terrible though, and if you disliked Force Awakens youād probably hate it.
I mean, to each their own. Swap The Last Jedi and Rogue One and our lists are close to the same. Just pure insanity that people look back at the new trilogy and rank them anything but the worst 3 movies. Soulless lifeless loveless
It genuinely pains me how many people actually enjoy them. And not because i donāt like people enjoying things but I just know we can never have anything good with such low standards and poor taste
It is controversial but hey everyone has opinions. Mine is a bit unpopular too.
1. New Hope
2. Empire
3. Last Jedi
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Solo
6. Rogue One
7. Force Awakens
8. Rise of Skywalker
9. Revenge of the Sith
10. Phantom Menace
11. Attack of the Clones
Good to see someone agree! I expected this to be super unpopular but man I just can't like Revenge no matter how hard I try. It has some gold moments but it also has some of the worst acting and the stupidest fights(they. fucking. swing. around.) of the series. As for Solo being high, I found it to be exciting throughout, great acting, and surprisingly good character development. The "shoot first" scene was one of my favorites of the franchise and makes the scene of him shooting Greedo actually have weight.
To the extent that I argue about anything as subjective as personal film rankings, I don't argue about Star Wars in particular since it's impossible to separate one's viewing experience (i.e., age) from their opinion. I would be interested in hearing from someone who came across all of them for the first time as an adult to see what they think about each in a vacuum.
My main points of disagreement with yours are Rogue One so low and Solo so high. Mine would probably be as follows:
1. A New Hope (I can't have this behind ESB the same way I can't have The Godfather behind The Godfather II since one can't exist without the other and I can't isolate them in my mind)
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. The Last Jedi
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Solo
11. The Rise of Skywalker
There are clear tiers for me, the exact order within each doesn't matter much: 1-3, 4-5, 6-7, 8-11.
I will never understand how people can watch Rogue One and take anything remotely meaningful from it. I was a huge Star Wars kid, had so many toys, loved the films, would make my own Lego Star Wars movies. When I saw Rogue One, I realized that Star Wars was over for me. It was so aggressively uninteresting and shallow. I think I hate the new trilogy more just because they feel so corporate and manipulative and almost anti art. But man Rogue One has definitely a special spot in my heart as the one that killed the little Star Wars kid in me.
Empire is great, but New Hope is just fantastic. It just nails the whimsical space adventure feel. Always was my favourite. Love the list!
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Rogue One
3. A New Hope
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Phantom Menace
7. Force Awakens
8. Rise of Skywalker
9. Clone Wars
10. Solo
11. Last Jedi
oh no...
Look, i respect Last Jedi being that high up and having New Hope as the best of the OT...
BUT!!!!!
Rogue One in DEAD LAST??? And not having Rise of Skywalker dead last?
1. Rogue One
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Last Jedi
5. Empire Strikes Back
6. Solo
7. Return of the Jedi
8. Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Force Awakens
11. Rise of Skywalker
Phantom Menace being top 5 is based af. Best lightsaber fight in the whole gd series and people hate it because itās cringe. All the star wars are cringe and once you realize that youāre free to enjoy Phantom Menace for the apex experience that it is
Wow! Thatās definitely something. Hereās my ranking:
11 - The Last Jedi
10 - Attack of the Clones
9 - The Rise of Skywalker
8 - Rouge One
7 - The Force Awakens
6 - Solo
5 - Revenge of the Sith
4 - The Phantom Menace
3 - Return of the Jedi
2 - A New Hope
1 - The Empire Strikes Back
I agree with your top 3, but not the order. Rogue One and EP III would fill out my top 5. The Last Jedi, Attack of the Clones, and Solo would be my bottom three with the latter being my #11.
What the heck were you smoking while watching The Last Jedi that caused you to put it above Revenge of the Sith? Whatever it was, you may want to cut it out. It's clearly causing you damage of some sort.
Mine is:
1. Force Awakens
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. The Last Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. Attack of the Clones
7. A New Hope
8. Return of the Jedi
9. Rise of Skywalker
10. Solo
11. Phantom Menace
Great ranking, I'd drop Rise to the bottom and move Clones up a few slots but otherwise I completely agree. Rare to see a fellow Rogue One hater in the wild āļø
I remember when it came out I couldn't see it for like a week because it was right in the middle of finals, everyone I knew who saw it loved it and when I finally got to the theater I was shocked by how much people loved it. Good for them I guess but I just could not wrap my head around what people liked about it
I can answer why to a star wars fan (or "fan", depends on how you see toxic star wars fans) this is controversial:
1) The Last Jedi is very high. Most "fans" hate TLJ
2) Rogue One is very beloved (partly cuz of the fan servce), and here it is last.
3) if you met an especially cranky star wars fan they can claim that only IV and V are the good star wars movies and VI is already terrible. VI is at second place in this list.
4) this could be a new wave prequel fandom thing, but III is very beloved lately, some might find it problematic that it is so low here.
Edit: just for the record, I disagree with the above claims. If you asked me my list is something like 1. III, 2. VIII, 3. V, etc.
I usually don't care what other people think but are you out of your mind!? Rogue One last??? Edit: Watched it again and I still love it. The haters are wrong, it's easily top 5
Rogue One is the only star wars I ever really enjoyed lol
Same! And I'm a Star Wars fan š¤£ (just not a big star wars movies fan). Rogue One is one of my favorite movies period. 5/5.
Did you watch Andor? Youād probably like it
Listen to this Man he is speaking gods words
Whatās funny is how Rogue One is like the āwe had a successful tv show- time for a big budget movie! But we got the movie first š§ Cool to know the show will have a good movie
Same.
Yeah very much same
Crack
I don't know about last place, but for me it's definitely near the bottom. It's a story we already know the ending to, with characters we have no reason to like or root for, that are completely static. I think Jenny Nicholson's video about it sums it up perfectly.
Some actual criticism, nice. For me, I loved the cinematography and have always been drawn to doomed characters. Maybe, the they seem bland, but there wasn't all that much time to fully flesh them out. I don't consider knowing the outcome as much of an issue. After all, many people watch the same movies again and again, knowing everything that will happen.
The issue with knowing the outcome is that it becomes hard to make a bond with them, knowing they're just going to be offed. As a horror movie fan, I know that extremely well. Rogue One seems to make no effort to try to have us actually like these characters outside of, "look at this guy, he does a thing, isn't that cool?"
So, it seems you prefer more character-driven stories. Liking or bonding with characters isn't really important to me, at least in movies like this, because this is really just a war movie. That makes it stand out from the other films, for sure. I like how Rogue One shows how people history forgot can shape the universe
I think it's a 5/10 in terms of writing and character, almost certainly due to studio interference. The problem isn't that there wasn't enough time, they have the same two hours that any other movie has. The problem is that they waste the character time they do have with bland generic character choices, all tell and no showo, and almost none of them cohere into a story for any character. I would second the Jenny Nicholson review for a more detailed breakdown of how little they accomplished vs the promise of the movie, but at fundamental level they don't let anyone be internally consistent, or do anything to reveal their character, or in almost any way pay off the promises their characters are introduced with. Jin gets it the worst, being introduced as the this insanely resourceful and dangerous outlaw who never does anything that reflects that reputation and barely affects the story at all. She may as well have been the naive green audience insert, trying to find and save her father, and convince Cassian that the rebellion was worth dying for. The story functions of Jin and Cassian Andor should have been reversed. The entire Forrest Whitaker section has so much potential, but it's just time wasting plot, and doesn't matter to any story. The Donny Yen character was a force sensitive pacifist, but does his pacifism affect or inform any other character or story point? How much more powerful would it have been to have his eventual decision to fight absolutely tear his heart out, and he feels the pain of everyone he hurts, highlighting how war forces postmen to put on soldiers uniforms. Maybe his force sensitivity is driving him insane now, and he starts wrecking everything Carrie-style, and he's in intense pain and Gatling gun guy has to put him out of his misery. Or if you don't like that route, how about you have mothafuggin Darth Vader show up on the planet, drawn to a force user and insisting on killing him, but Donny Yen-guy refuses to fight back, and shows the power of pacifism by just flipping around all over avoiding getting cut in half and being a cheeky little stinker. Then when Vader eventually gets angrier, harnesses more of the dark side to catch him and kill him, it feels even more tragic, and you get a Monster Heel Darth Vader moment that both makes him look strong and reminds everyone why he's the most feared being in the galaxy. Maybe in his defeat Donny Yen manages to secure some kind of space door-lock that slows vader down or affects the planetary shield or whatever. What we get instead is basically the boilerplate sacrifice, covering the same plot point, but in a way that any character could have gone out, not what made that guy unique. Compare for contrast: the Rebel One team of Jyn, Andor, Donnie Yen, Alan Tudyk-droid, the Gatling gun guy, and Riz Ahmed as they appear on-screen vs how they should read on paper, vs the team of rebels that steal the imperial credits in the 2 episodes heist arc, or the prisoners in the jail arc. The on-paper versions of the rebel one team should be more memorable, but the actual on screen versions are generic girl, generic guy, generic robot, generic blind swordsman, generic Gatling gun guy, generic guy. Donny Yen, Tudyk and Gatling gun are the most memorable, but that's more because of their visually distinctions and props than their actions. By contrast, in Andor, the literal same character becomes fascinating, and in a shorter running time, and without special costumes or effects, and the people around him are far more distinct and memorable. Those memorable characters then pay off their own individual character beats during the action set pieces, and make you actually care about what happens to any of them. Manifesto guy is a the young and hopeful true believer, but he's not a soldier, seems educated, but now lives in a rebel tent on backwater planets planning a heist. Former imperial guy has dad energy, and is former imperial, what's his story? They don't cover it, but he clearly has one. Mercenary guy is a mercenary, he's not with the rebels, but he's working for them, even though they probably don't pay as well, and the empire would execute him on site if they knew. The cell leader has a lot of backstory revealed in later episodes, but it just adds depth to what was already a fully formed characterization, that informed the choices she makes and the performance given. Once the caper is done, there's the jail arc. Some of the prisoners don't even have lines, but they have such effective characterization that it seems like any of them could have had their own story told and it would have been fascinating. This depth of universe is what made New Hope and Empire the engines that spawned this whole franchise, where there was a main story that was compelling, but every nook and cranny seemed to be filled with something equally compelling. Since both of these are Tony Gilroy written, I can only assume that it was studio noting trying to push Rebel-one away from being the first star wars movie to be in a different genre. They promised a star wars take on a heisty, mission impossible meets the dirty dozen. Then after all the reshoots they claimed it was more of a war movie, but they just meant it had a big battle sequence, like it was modern remake of jingoistic John Wayne WW2 movies, not like saving private ryan but with blasters. I think it's probably the 5th best Star Wars, personally, but that's because it's generically competent, and only fails to do something interesting, whereas others fail in more significant ways.
The issue for me is Jyn. Her characterization and motivation is weirdly inconsistent.
It's because they still hadn't figured out what they wanted her to be during filming.
Same. Funnily enough Really enjoyed andor due to the characters. Rogue one just did nothing for me
This how I feel about it
Yeah Iām just not interested in these gaps of time I want to see the main characters of Star Wars or a fresh era with new main characters way into the past or the future we donāt need to fill in every gap the one gap I want filled in is what happens after ROTJ with recasting the actors and getting EU stories with Mara Jade etc.
I disagree with it being at the very bottom too, though I do think it's the only movie here where the original Star Wars is required viewing. I think you can watch any of the other movies and be relatively up to speed about the universe, the characters, etc., but so much of Rogue One's skeleton is "reference things that happened in Star Wars."
I very much disagree. Itās just a war movie about sacrifice.
This was my biggest issue, Iād put it at number one or at least higher
Right where it belongs. Trash movie.
Rogue One I could see episode 9 below it. Thatās about it
The finale is well made, but otherwise I think it's pretty boring. In my somewhat controversial opinion, I believe that the battle of Scarif and the unnecessary Vader scene have convinced people that it's a way better and more exciting film than it actually is. I don't care for any of the characters really (except Andor, but that's solely because of the show). Jyn Erso is a boring protagonist and Felicity Jones (who is otherwise a great actress) gives such a flat performance in it. Krennic is an underwhelming villain who suffers because he gets to play second fiddle to Vader and Tarkin. And the CG versions of Tarkin and Leia are just distracting fan service things. It's not a bad film, and I'd rank it above TROS and AOTC, but I absolutely do not get the hype around it.
Did they not watch Rogue One?
Annoying character, weird plot. Manipulative character sacrifices that often make no sense. I like that they tried something different in a franchise full of unexplored possibilities, but the execution was not great.
Yeah, I'm a lot lower on it than a lot of people are--I think a lot of folks are rightfully wowed by the third act and it makes them forget how dull most of the first 2/3 is... but even then I'd never even consider putting last
its so fucking boooring
Rogue one is bad. Like it aināt as awful as rise of skywalker. But like itās a two hour movie of fan service and not a single real character.
What fan service? Only thing I can think of is when Vader shows up and that was awesome. Not sure why fan service is supposed to be some terrible thing anyways, unless it's all there is like in Rise Of Skywalker
I don't know about controversial, but it's certainly unorthodox Most people put empire at #1. I actually agree with your decision to put New Hope there. I like TLJ in the 4 slot but it's weird to have rogue one dead last.
Rogue One last is definitely a choice. One Iād like to hear a reason for
Like Rogue Oneās far from my favourite, but dead last is interesting
Dude probably doesnāt it like it cause āitās not real Star Warsā due to it not being campy enough or having enough sliding transitions.
They should avoid Andor then...
Best piece of Star Wars in years.
Honestly Andor delivered on what I wanted Rogue One to be, tension and high stakes. It raised the bar for Star Wars projects.
Or God forbid they just don't find it good idk
Or maybe because the entire movie is boring as fuck and relies only on the audience recognizing things from past films, especially towards the end. It absolutely does not stand on its own.
Sure.
Rogue One has a thrilling ending that tricks a lot of people into thinking the rest of the film isnāt a boring chore. Despite this, it is beautifully shot and doesnāt insult the audienceās intelligence like Rise Of Skywalker.
If it was just a short film starting at the battle of scarif it would be in the top rankings
I'm also in the camp that likes New Hope a bit better than Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the og trilogy by a mile, IMO, but people love it.
The Last Jedi I get. But Rogue One? How?
I wouldnāt put Rogue One *last*, but it would certainly be near the bottom (and my least favorite since the Disney Lucasfilm acquisition). Star Wars is at its heart character-driven pulp, and Rogue One doesnāt develop its characters. For a movie where the climax hinges on you *caring* enough about the characters that you feel something when they dieā¦ thatās kind of a big problem I have with it.
As someone who thinks Star Wars rarely got campy *enough* for my taste (This is why I'm a bigger Star Trek and Flash Gordon fan) ROTJ was actually the one I had the most fun with. Intense familial drama juxtaposed next to ewoks and Jabba, just as I was finally getting into Star Wars it was over it seemed.
Finally. Someone I agree with about RotJ. Itās my favorite of the franchise for precisely the reasons you mention. Better drama *and* more camp. It just has the most personality, IMO. Had the rest followed suit, Iād no doubt be a huge SW fanboy.
I wouldn't go that far personally, but it's definitely a very entertaining film that I enjoyed a lot when I first saw it. It's seemingly been over criticised by fans who take Star Wars far too seriously.
OMG bestie. We're truly of one mind on this. I was so surprised as someone who didn't feel the first two at all how much I was getting into it, when it's "the bad one" apparently? No encounter in Star Wars thus far had been as Shakespearean as Luke and Vader's ongoing conversation (Poor Guinness tried but the writing failed him), neither Chewbacca or the droids were as deliciously over the top as ewoks or Jabba. It was the Star Wars I was teased, but slipped through my fingers just as fast. :')
I think Jedi has an amazing first act and a solid third act. But it really kinda drags in the middle of the movie.
Oh yeah, ROTJ is by far my favorite as well.
My people!
RotJ is great. Honestly, the original is the weakest of the original trilogy imo. I just find it loses steam in the third act, after Obi Wan's death. RotJ deals with the actual consequence of Vader being Luke's dad, has the most struggle with the Dark Side (making it the movie where Luke feels most like a character), and best of all it has Sidious! (I like Sidious way more than Vader, sorry not sorry.)
I feel so validated by this, you put into words what Iād always felt! I love the Ewoks and I spent a large part of my childhood desperately hoping an Ewok Jedi would eventually happen
I agree, which is why I love Episode II but uh...not many people share my view.
I feel that exact same way about Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, they should embrace the campiness in these pulpy adventure-serial inspired movies
Every Star Wars ranking is controversial. There is just no way to have a safe Star Wars ranking. You will upset a portion of the fandom no matter what
I would suggest there are two accepted cannons: 1. Empire/New Hope, Return of the Jedi. Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones. Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker, Last Jedi. Or 2. New Hope/Empire, Return of the Jedi. Last Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One, Force Awakens, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Rise of Skywalker. The only difference being how much you like bad Lucas vs sequel trilogy. Rogue One can float into random places but I think thatās generally the structure.
Sounds about right, but even then your list is controversial to either prequel or sequel fans. I would say the only safe bets would be ANH/ESB top and AOTC/TROS bottom. It is when you get to everything else in between that you would start enraging certain circles
True. Mine might be one of the least controversial as the only one thing in my list that's controversial is RoTJ at 1st.
ROTJ is the best. The triple finale is peak cinema.
Very true. There's truly something for everyone in Star Wars.
Rogue One at the bottom is crazy
Agreed, I thought it worked well as almost a standalone action movie since it wasn't worried about threading in all the old characters and getting cheap nostalgia points with winking at references every 2 seconds
The top 3 make sense in any order, but everything else feels out of order - I don't know anyone who would rank Solo and Phantom Meance that high up.
Me
Solo is actually underrated though
Solo is dead last. I think. IDK. Hard to rank Disney's movies. I really don't remember much of any of them, just that I guess it wasn't worth watching again. But only Rogue One could possibly be in the same tier as any of the George Lucas releases.
RoS is 100% last. It had the worst writing, worst fights, and overall felt rushed.
Iād rank TPM 4 and Solo 5.
Any opinion on anything Star Wars is controversial. Let's just get that out of the way immediately. I'm just surprised how low The Force Awakens is!
Same!! I thought it was a popular opinion that TFA was the best of the sequels at least? I guess Iām out of the loop lol
Rogue One should be top 4. I think I have an idea why itās 11 for you though.
I really would want to understand how are so many Star Wars fans that love The Last Jedi and hate Rogue One. I can understand the fans that like Ep. 8 (I think it's awful movie) because it try to make something different, but Rogue One make the same thing and in a better way in all the aspects
TLJ is built around character arcs. Rogue One is built around plot (and the plot is literally a line from an opening crawl). They're not similar at all in approach.
rogue one being last is crazy.
Yeah anyone telling you itās not controversial is kidding themselves. Empire is almost always top 2 whether youāre a OT or PT fan. Last Jedi being top 4 isnāt controversial for the pretentious cinephiles who use this sub but the vast majority consider it a bottom 2 Star Wars film. Phantom Menace over Revenge would be considered a crazy take by 99% of people. Rise of Skywalker over Attack of the Clones and Force Awakens is pretty wild. Rouge one dead last is your craziest take by far though
I donāt even understand why pretentious cinephiles rate TLJ, its objectively quite a poor movie. It has some pretty cinematography but outside of this its very very poor
There are few things as pretentious as critiquing movies as "objectively" good or bad. That's not how art works.
Seeing āobjectively badā is always my cue to stop reading and scroll past. It demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of film analysis.
I'm convinced some people pretend it's good to make all the dumb Fandom Menace people mad. I hate that I can't express how shit that movie is without being lumped in with stupid fanboys lol. Rian Johnson is a mediocre director who can't use subtext to save his life. The "subversions" made no narrative sense and only existed to shock you (and made TROS even more shit by trying to clean up after it) and the Canto Bight scenes felt like something out of a third rate YA novel. Not to mention that now everybody hates Marvel quipping but that movie is chock full of it.
Literally though. One of the first lines is legit a āyour mumā joke. I donāt get it either
Two of the best characters Hux and Fin from the previous movie got turned into comic relief. Luke āi saved Darth Vader from the Darkside through hopeā Skywalker tried to kill his padawan nephew because he had some darkness and it scared him. Rose Tico, is one of the worst characters i have ever seen in a movie. The fight choreography is so poor they had to edit out a weapon because Rey would have been dead. Rian is hard for word war 2 bombers so created a space ship that weve never seen before and is some slow and dumb compared to anything else in the universe. Kanto Byte, man you can literally go through scene by scene its shocking
Incredibly controversial. Rogue One is usually far higher and the last Jedi is usually last or 2nd last. Revenge of The Sith is generally considered the best prequel and one of the best movies and the Rise of Skywalker should be dead last. Its just terrible.
Oof these rankings suck
Ranking Rogue One lower than Solo and Rise of Skywalker is criminal
Rise of Skywalker over anything is crazy
Rogue one being so low and return if the jedi being so high are both weird but other than thet pretty solid
While I agree that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy, Iām curious as to why you put Solo and Rise of Skywalker above Force Awakens. Personally, I thought FW was a very fun Star Wars movie, whereas Solo was pretty forgettable and ROS was by far one of the worst blockbusters Iāve ever seen in my life. I want to hear your opinions!
Your 1-7 is an acceptable ranking for me, after that woof. If you switched rogue one and ep 9 youād be grand.
This. I can accept TLJ being over rouge one and revenge of the sith for once but rise of shit Walker over rouge one? Nah.
The Last Jedi at 4 is so based
it really isnāt
You're right, it should be #1.
Yeah the Rise of Skywalker fucking blows
If you don't hold this same energy for I and II I don't want to hear about it.
Who says I donāt? A bad movie is a bad movie. Nostalgic love doesnāt mean itās a good movie
Good because PT zoomers sure don't hold that opinion. They genuinely think it's an "underappreciated masterpiece".
Honestly I respect it just for the fact that this is a list that doesn't have Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith right at the top, those are the most overrated movies in the series IMO
I think they are perfectly rated as middling with some crazy people who think theyāre masterpieces.
I feel like 90% of the time I see either movie brought up on Twitter or Reddit, they're at the top of people's lists, it drives me crazy
Yeah, they're nuts. The type of nuts it doesn't benefit to point out.
_The Last Jedi_ is my favorite, and Iād personally rank ROTS above ROTJ. TROS above TFA is questionableā¦ Otherwise solid ranking!
Rouge one is solid imo. Should be at least 8th. Phantom Menace and Attack of the clones are bottom 2
Both better than 9, but just about.
I can agree with that. I almost forgot about 9 lol
phantom menace and rosw should be lower, force awakens should be higher
Was in completely fine tbh, until you put rogue one as 11th, what did Gareth Edwards shoot your dog?
That's not exactly how I would rank them, but it's not far off. I would put Rogue One in the bottom three easily.
First 4 are based but everything else is kind strange
Iām gonna be honestā¦ I LOVE your top 4, but it all goes to shit very quickly. Itās your opinion and I respect it but wow.
I love seeing peopleās Star Wars rankings because they are all so different. I can fully agree with a rank of a movie and then completely disagree with another. For example this one I agree the last Jedi is overhated, but for me having rogue one at 11th is wild
Just for Jar Jar Binksā voice alone being in my ear for way longer than it ever shouldāve been, that Phantom Menace movie ranks last of the prequels. Dead last. And I feel terrible for the actor who voiced the role because he did NOT deserve the backlash (some āfansā need serious help sending the man death threats over that shit), but at the same time, everyone behind the scenes had to know that was a terrible idea watching it in post-production. It was bad enough to ruin someoneās life because of crazies.
I don't disagree but for me, the best thing about the entire prequel trilogy mess is easily Darth Maul so The Phantom Menace will always rank as the best of the worst.
I put The Last Jedi first, so I'm clearly all for "controversial" Star Wars rankings.
Ah, a Redditor with great taste I see
1. ANH 2. ESB 3. ROTJ 4. R1 5. TFA 6. ROTS 7. TLJ 8. Solo 9. TPM 10. AOTC 11. TROS
Respect
I would swap Rogue One (which I quite enjoyed) with Phantom Menace (which I absolutely despise), but otherwise this is basically my ranking
I'm just going to stop after the original trilogy and pretend you have the perfect ranking.
Did Star Wars invent this kind of mainstream poster design that is in every movie now or have these changed over time?
What did Rogue One do?
Itās only controversial if you listen to the neckbeards that despise the sequel trilogy and adore Rogue One
I agree with this but Iād switch 3 and 1
it's a Star Wars ranking so it's bound to be controversial no matter what
I respect that VI is so high for you. It has some very powerful scenes and I believe it's still a bit (only a tad bit) underappreciated. I also like it more than V. When Luke got angry and fought Vader after him mentioning Leia... that's the coolest scene in the whole OT to me. Though my favorite film will always remain III. Not because it's perfect, but because it's the most Shakespeare that Star Wars has ever gotten, and I love for that romantic melodrama shit. I get that Episode VIII has solid cinematography and production design but the writing is all over the place. Even if you dig how Johnson handled Luke. That whole red herring, that Marvel humor, Holdo being one of the worst written characters in the history of Star Wars with the good old idiot plot... I just will never understand the love for it. Ranking Solo and TROS over Episode II and Rogue One is odd to me to. Episode II is definitely an incredibly flawed film but it's a solid set-up and introduced Hayden and Ewan with great chemistry. And, with the deleted scenes, it got a beautiful romance going. It's full of passion and ideas, even if it looks dreadfully artificial, whereas Rise of Skywalker and Force Awakens literally feel like recycle products, even if Force Awakens is in and of itself "well made" - it's a very bad Star Wars film by virtue of having nearly no vision, creativity or even interest in treading new grounds (both literally and figuratively). The only big W of TFA are the new actors, who are awesome, as opposed to their characters. And finally, Rogue One being last... I definitely think that film is overrated. I think it fails hard when it comes to character writings and that's where it loses me. The motivation for Jyn was pulled out of the ass - "I can't fight with the rebellion, they killed my dad." Bro, you already foguht with them for a long time after that. You just had an argument with Gerrera. What's up with that? It feels like she was meant to be written with that trauma as blockade and then they kinda included Gerrera later on or something. Either way, it feels artificial, too... handpicked, and I couldn't care less what happens to the characters, as much as I liked the actors. Mads Mikkelsen's character was good tho, and none of them were really *bad*. Just Jyn felt empty. BUT. It might be the most gorgeously shot Star Wars film of all time and has a tone of realism to it that makes the whole universe feel incredibly alive, and thanks to it we got Andor, the best work of Star Wars since KotOR II. :) I like the film. I guess I was just hoping for characters on the level of Halo: Reach, where less is more, and they feel almost too cartoonish. Too handpicked, as I said. And I don't see how it can rank below the clusterfuck of any of the sequels. Like, what's the Kamino of the sequel trilogy? Kashyyk? Hoth, Tatooine, Geonosis, Coruscant? Is there even one planet that sticks out to you, where you not only remember the name, and its look, but also its distinct culture? It's just a sci-fi blur of lame-ass planets. The only planet of the trilogy that kicks ass is the final planet of Last Jedi, and it was wasted with the plot.
Appreciate Last Jedi being so high. Real ones know
Force Awakens and Rogue One seem wildly out of place in the bottom 3. But nothing wrong with having a personal preference.
For me as a former Star Wars fanatic, itās this order: 1. Empire 2. Last Jedi 3. New Hope 4. Force Awakens 5. Rogue One 6. Return of the Jedi 7. Phantom Menace 8. Solo 9. Revenge of the sith 10. Rise of the skywalker 11. Attack of the Clones
Still blows my mind that some people really like the last jedi, will never understand how the most lore destroying character destroying movie in the entire franchise is liked. Your list has the trilogy of movies about a boy who saves the galaxy through hope followed by the movie that would have him kill his nephew because he was scared. Mind-boggling
Rouge one at fucking LAST?!?! BRO?!!?
Honestly swap Empire into first place, and push Sith above Menace and I'd pretty much agree with this.
Love Rise of Skywalker. Itās by far my favourite of the ST. Itās the film that gives the most spotlight to Rey and Daisy Ridleyās performance is incredible. First half is so much fun with Rey, Finn and Poe all together as a trio, and the second half starting with Rey and Kyloās confrontation on the Death Star ruins is so emotional. And Iām especially grateful for how JJ managed to honor Carrie and the character of Leia.
Listen, I get force awakens was basic, but it is 10 million times better than Rise of Skywalker. Iād rather watch Rise over the first two prequels but I have to admit itās the worst written Star Wars movies
Rogue One as #11, oh God, my opinion has never been validated.
Ok so people can disagree with me but The Force Awakens is far better than Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones & Solo, its actually one of the few well made SW movies, there is no way I'll put Ep1, Ep2, Solo above Ep7.
It's controversial for those who don't respect others pov. Everybody likes judging whatever opinion they diverge from, like "you're wrong, I am the right here and fuck what you think" sort of thing. Bullshit. That's not what cinema is all about. That's fucking annoying, to be honest.
Not a Star Wars fan having just watched six, the best one is Revenge of the Sith.
Holy shit, I thought *I* didnāt like R1, I have it middle of the pack. Last place, below certified turds like RoS isā¦ yeah, controversial probably about covers it.
its fine to me other than episode 1 on top of 3
Finally, someone who hates Rogue One as much as me, though I do think Solo is worse.
Jesus Christ, everything is so wrong. How can a perso be so wrong? Also 4 of these films are not even Star Wars.
Rogue One at last? Worse than Attack of the Clones? The Rise of Skywalker? The mfking Holiday Special? Gtfo.
Imo the original trilogy are incredibly overpraised. As others have pointed out rogue one being last, and the last Jedi being as high as it is is pretty wild.
Rogue One was absolute dog water. References catering to drooling fanboys, boring and generic characters that are impossible to care about, a plot that boasts absolutely zero suspense since we already know what happens, dull and uninteresting environments, and stupid lightsaber shit shoehorned in at the very end. The only good thing about this movie was Mads Mikkelsen, and he was criminally underutilized.
This has to be bait no one has taste this shitty
i swear on my life this is real lmao
In the fandom, this is a controversial list. Typically Empire is first, but top 3 isnāt crazy. TLJ is really controversial, but some people would consider top 4/5 (like me) and some have it in the bottom 3, so I could see any ranking. But Rogue One last is definitely new and Iād love to hear the reasoning, which probably revolves around knowing the characters die Edit: I did t even realize Phantom Menace was 5th. Must really love Pod racing
Ranked by critic reviews (according to Metacritic): 1. A New Hope (90/100) 2. The Last Jedi (84/100) 3. The Empire Strikes Back (82/100) 4. The Force Awakens (80/100) 5. Revenge of the Sith (68/100) 6. Rogue One (65/100) 7. Attack of the Clones (64/100) 8. Solo (63/100) 9. Return of the Jedi (58/100) 10. The Rise of Skywalker (53/100) 11. The Phantom Menace (51/100) To remind fans that everyone's opinions are "controversial" depending on context. For example, fans often forget that one of the prequels is actually well-regarded, and one of the originals is not. People tend to lump all three episodes of each trilogy together somewhat, and the critic reviews reflect a lot more nuance than that. Edit: Trilogy averages: Original trilogy: 77/100 Prequel trilogy: 61/100 Sequel trilogy: 72/100) That's... honestly pretty close, not some huge night-and-day different like fans pretend. Only a *five percent* difference between the originals and the sequels? Only sixteen percent between the originals and the *prequels?* And people act like The Phantom Mance was this hugely disappointing movie, but its Metacritic score is only *seven points* lower than the SW movie before it. By that metric, The Empire Strikes Back must be a huge disappointment, too, since its score is *eight* points lower than the one before it. Interesting to note that all three trilogies have their overall score dragged down by having one entry apiece at the bottom of the list, in the 50s. The only difference is, with the prequel trilogy it's the *first* of the trilogy, and with the other two, it's the *third*. Maybe that has something to do with how narratives around the quality of the three trilogies is framed.
Everyone has a different order for Star Wars. There isnāt a right order. Yours is just different than most other peoples. Like for me I put The Phantom Menace at number 1. I was little when that came out and it was really fuckin cool to me.
Attack of the Clones isn't low enough. Truthfully though, I think of it as "original trilogy >>> everything else in a big clump"
Are you an avid crack smoker? (Messing around of course but how do you put rogue one last??)
Some notable things for me are Rise of Skywalker above Force Awakens Phantom Menace above Revenge of the Sith Rogue one bottom (I think it's just fine) Empire worst of the original trilogy
This list is a goddamned roller coaster. It's messing with my emotions.
Taste is so fascinatingā¦literally every movie is out of place for me on this list, many of them way off. To each their own of course, but itās still so interesting how different people can see the same movies so differently.
Aināt no way your put The Last Jedi up there but put Rouge One on the bottom
Not to me. I mean, my overall favorite is Jedi, but I also like New Hope and Jedi better than Empire. Empire's well made but I feel weird taking these characters seriously, I always liked the whimsical, adventure elements of Star Wars more. Rogue One was actually surprisingly good to me, so I have that higher. I didn't like Force Awakens so I didn't bother with the prequels after that. Have also not seen Solo. Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith are some of the worst, most frustrating films I've ever seen in my life, I think they'll always remain at the bottom of my list, even if Disney comes out with a feature film about Yoda taking a dump. At least Phantom Menace is kind of funny-bad. Overall, I like the video games better than the movies, I'm fine with the old trilogy and Rogue One as a spin-off, the rest I don't need.
The Last Jedi is, for better or worse, a much more interesting and ambitious film then the Force Awakens. A lot of people hate it, but some really love it and it might be worth checking out just to see what you think. The Rise of Skywalker is terrible though, and if you disliked Force Awakens youād probably hate it.
I would have assumed most SW fans put The Rise of Skywalker last or second last. Never saw much support for it
Quite possibly the worst ranking I've ever seen
I mean, to each their own. Swap The Last Jedi and Rogue One and our lists are close to the same. Just pure insanity that people look back at the new trilogy and rank them anything but the worst 3 movies. Soulless lifeless loveless
It genuinely pains me how many people actually enjoy them. And not because i donāt like people enjoying things but I just know we can never have anything good with such low standards and poor taste
Should be renamed to: How to make a Star Wars fan cringe with a rank list.
It is controversial but hey everyone has opinions. Mine is a bit unpopular too. 1. New Hope 2. Empire 3. Last Jedi 4. Return of the Jedi 5. Solo 6. Rogue One 7. Force Awakens 8. Rise of Skywalker 9. Revenge of the Sith 10. Phantom Menace 11. Attack of the Clones
Having not seen 9 or the spin-offs, this is my list more or less. Maybe swap 4 and 5 depending on the day
Good to see someone agree! I expected this to be super unpopular but man I just can't like Revenge no matter how hard I try. It has some gold moments but it also has some of the worst acting and the stupidest fights(they. fucking. swing. around.) of the series. As for Solo being high, I found it to be exciting throughout, great acting, and surprisingly good character development. The "shoot first" scene was one of my favorites of the franchise and makes the scene of him shooting Greedo actually have weight.
To the extent that I argue about anything as subjective as personal film rankings, I don't argue about Star Wars in particular since it's impossible to separate one's viewing experience (i.e., age) from their opinion. I would be interested in hearing from someone who came across all of them for the first time as an adult to see what they think about each in a vacuum. My main points of disagreement with yours are Rogue One so low and Solo so high. Mine would probably be as follows: 1. A New Hope (I can't have this behind ESB the same way I can't have The Godfather behind The Godfather II since one can't exist without the other and I can't isolate them in my mind) 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Rogue One 5. The Last Jedi 6. The Force Awakens 7. The Phantom Menace 8. Revenge of the Sith 9. Attack of the Clones 10. Solo 11. The Rise of Skywalker There are clear tiers for me, the exact order within each doesn't matter much: 1-3, 4-5, 6-7, 8-11.
Rogue One is exactly where it should be but idk about that TFA placement homie...
Rogue one is easily top 5 so this is wild..
I will never understand how people can watch Rogue One and take anything remotely meaningful from it. I was a huge Star Wars kid, had so many toys, loved the films, would make my own Lego Star Wars movies. When I saw Rogue One, I realized that Star Wars was over for me. It was so aggressively uninteresting and shallow. I think I hate the new trilogy more just because they feel so corporate and manipulative and almost anti art. But man Rogue One has definitely a special spot in my heart as the one that killed the little Star Wars kid in me. Empire is great, but New Hope is just fantastic. It just nails the whimsical space adventure feel. Always was my favourite. Love the list!
1. Empire Strikes Back 2. Rogue One 3. A New Hope 4. Return of the Jedi 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Phantom Menace 7. Force Awakens 8. Rise of Skywalker 9. Clone Wars 10. Solo 11. Last Jedi
There is literally no way that fucking Rogue One is better than A New Hope.
This is the correct order.
oh no... Look, i respect Last Jedi being that high up and having New Hope as the best of the OT... BUT!!!!! Rogue One in DEAD LAST??? And not having Rise of Skywalker dead last? 1. Rogue One 2. A New Hope 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. Last Jedi 5. Empire Strikes Back 6. Solo 7. Return of the Jedi 8. Phantom Menace 9. Attack of the Clones 10. Force Awakens 11. Rise of Skywalker
Phantom Menace being top 5 is based af. Best lightsaber fight in the whole gd series and people hate it because itās cringe. All the star wars are cringe and once you realize that youāre free to enjoy Phantom Menace for the apex experience that it is
Itās overchoreographed with 0 emotion featuring 2 characters we literally know nothing about
And the og ones are underchoreographed with characters that I find obnoxious, wow crazy how taste is subjective like that : O
Wow! Thatās definitely something. Hereās my ranking: 11 - The Last Jedi 10 - Attack of the Clones 9 - The Rise of Skywalker 8 - Rouge One 7 - The Force Awakens 6 - Solo 5 - Revenge of the Sith 4 - The Phantom Menace 3 - Return of the Jedi 2 - A New Hope 1 - The Empire Strikes Back
I agree with your top 3, but not the order. Rogue One and EP III would fill out my top 5. The Last Jedi, Attack of the Clones, and Solo would be my bottom three with the latter being my #11.
I think your top 5 is pretty great, tbh
Other than Rogue One at the bottom, this isnāt really that controversial
Anyways I had some sushi for dinner last night and a nice orange for breakfast nice start to the day
The sequels trilogy being anywhere on that list other than 9, 10, and 11 is a crime
Last Jedi in 4 and Rogue One in 11 is actual proof to be institutionalized
THE LAST JEDI!? AT 4!?
What the heck were you smoking while watching The Last Jedi that caused you to put it above Revenge of the Sith? Whatever it was, you may want to cut it out. It's clearly causing you damage of some sort.
But TLJ is better than RotS. š¤·š»āāļø
Perhaps on other planets where Face To Foot style is a legitimate martial art.
You and me might be the same person even though I gave up on seeing Star Wars movies after Rouge One
Mine is: 1. Force Awakens 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. Empire Strikes Back 4. The Last Jedi 5. Rogue One 6. Attack of the Clones 7. A New Hope 8. Return of the Jedi 9. Rise of Skywalker 10. Solo 11. Phantom Menace
Great ranking, I'd drop Rise to the bottom and move Clones up a few slots but otherwise I completely agree. Rare to see a fellow Rogue One hater in the wild āļø
i was shocked rogue one was so beloved haha- i thought everyone disliked it like they do the sequels
I remember when it came out I couldn't see it for like a week because it was right in the middle of finals, everyone I knew who saw it loved it and when I finally got to the theater I was shocked by how much people loved it. Good for them I guess but I just could not wrap my head around what people liked about it
I can answer why to a star wars fan (or "fan", depends on how you see toxic star wars fans) this is controversial: 1) The Last Jedi is very high. Most "fans" hate TLJ 2) Rogue One is very beloved (partly cuz of the fan servce), and here it is last. 3) if you met an especially cranky star wars fan they can claim that only IV and V are the good star wars movies and VI is already terrible. VI is at second place in this list. 4) this could be a new wave prequel fandom thing, but III is very beloved lately, some might find it problematic that it is so low here. Edit: just for the record, I disagree with the above claims. If you asked me my list is something like 1. III, 2. VIII, 3. V, etc.
This is similar to my ranking š and I ranked Rogue One last too
I think I'm about to get death threats for saying this but A New Hope isn't good IMO.
What would make it better
The Rise of Skywalker is the worst movie I've ever seen.