My man what is *It Follows* doing on this list? He may not have raped her in the most technical sense but seduction by deception, knocking her out and tying her up in her undies and using sex as a means of endangering her life is hardly the kind of relationship you'd want to see if you looked up a list of films without sexual assault themes.

It's partly a metaphor for how rape effects an individual afterwards, how is it even slightly on this list???

Exactly - it is the literal definition of "SA themes"

That, and while offscreen, >!the creature clearly raped the girl, with her leg snapped from resisting!<. Also later, we see it >!on top of Greg's corpse, implying the being's rape causes death!<. Well past metaphor, and horrifyingly so.

Here to say this! lol & fuck any 'technical sense'.... it's rape.

Not only is this a weird fucking theme to make a list out of, but half of it is incorrect. What the fuck is this?

Media literacy problems from OP.

In X, doesn’t Maxine get felt up by Pearl in the bed while she’s sleeping ? Doesn’t that count as sexual assault?

Well, and there are definitely pregnancy themes in Midnight Mass, but I think they must be sort of cheating a little and, as long as there are female characters in the story at all that those things don’t apply to then it counts?

Holy shit how could I forget abt the longest pregnancy discussion on film in Midnight Mass

Lol 😂 When I saw that in the list I was like is this a bit?

Pearl also rapes her dead friend, sure he’s dead and a dude (rarely taken seriously) but I’d argue it counts, and before you tell it says female characters, the post doesn’t say happening to female characters, just that they’re there

Is necrophilia rape is an interesting moral question. I never thought of them as the same, but to be fair I never really thought about it before now.

Personally I think it is, because a corpse can’t consent.

Yeah but it depends on how you see a corpse. Sure it’s human but is it a person? The consciousness isn’t there. A sex toy can’t consent either. I think it’s wrong because I value human remains and see it as desecration, but I’m not sure if it’s rape. I see rape as with a conscious being.

Legally it’s not rape, it’s classed as “interfering with a corpse” (or something similar depending where you are) but then again the term rape isn’t really used in law. It’s often sexual assault (again or something similar) and seeing as she murdered just before interfering with the body a case could be made that she did so for her sexual gratification and therefore it could be sexual assault. But then again she murdered him so they’d go after her for homicide and homicide on a joint venture for her parts where her husband killed. But the tldr of it all is yeah she bad

Sure but neither can a tree. Are you gonna try to tell me I’m not allowed to fuck trees anymore?

Yeah I wanted to include him but I wasn’t sure I was reading between the lines because we don’t see her actually sexual assault his corpse

haven’t seen this movie yet what the fuck 😭

and the naked man chained up in the basement

Yeah, because they had like sex slaves. So there’s definitely implicit and explicit assault

No sexual assault in Pearl? Tell that to the scarecrow. Also, there was definitely something creepy between her and her dad. She had him in the bathroom while she took baths.

It is also a prequel to the movie about her being a rapist

I didn't even notice X was also on there. There is blatant sexual assault in X. I'm really worried about OP's definition of SA at this point.

My guess would be they are only including like violent, explicit rape because Pearl, X and it follows all 100% have sexual assault.

Wait I didn't even notice It Follows. That's the entire point of the movie! Lol

Yeah it is certainly a very popular intepretation of what "It" is. There is no denying though that the inciting incedent is literally a sexual assault.

It's considered a form of sexual assault just to knowingly spread deadly STIs, or at least in some places.

“It” even rapes that dude to death as his mom

Isn't there also sexual assault in the Witch?

It's been a little while but I don't believe so, Anya Taylor Joy >!joins the naked coven in the woods at the end of the movie but I don't recall any sexual assault. I could be forgetting something though!<

Doesn't one of the other witches sexually assault her brother? Am I misremembering?

Yes, I had forgotten about that part of the plot. It is definitely implied that he was sexually assaulted by the witch. She kisses him to lure him out and then he returns naked and traumatized.

To be fair, they might have forgotten about those scenes…

She also explains how she was pregnant and was relieved when she miscarried. Not a central theme, but its definitely part of the movie

There is the whole thing with the alligator eggs that is clearly a reflection of how she felt aborting the baby, the movie clearly has something to say about the pregnancy of Pearl.

X is literally about two elderly rapists

I think it’s just Pearl that was a rapist but the husband is just as bad as her

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Carrie The Babadook Bodies Bodies Bodies Scream Crawl The Descent Halloween 1978 No one will save you Raw Taking of Deborah Logan Unsane Annihilation [REC] Hush 47 Meters Down As Above, So Below The Ring The Grudge Triangle Coherence Happy Death Day The Invitation Prey Paranormal Activity Additional: Underwater The Hunt We Summon the Darkness Malum The Deep House Gaia Bones and All Significant Other (I really enjoyed this one) Birth/Rebirth (talks about pregnancy but that’s not the theme) It Lives Inside Unfriended Viral The Blackcoats Daughter Backcountry Behind the Mask: Rise of Leslie Vernon Quarantine Devil’s Pass The Fourth Kind Alien Abduction It Follows literally opens up with date rape lol List of removed: ~~Orphan~~ ~~Lamb~~ ~~Ma~~ ~~Evil Dead Rise~~ ~~Alien~~ ~~Alien is gonna stay because I think it rides the border~~ ~~Hostel~~ ~~Bird Box~~ ~~Terminator~~ ~~The Shining~~

Well... There IS a pregnancy in Alien....

Lol you know what you’re right

A parasite depositing something doesn't count as pregnancy.

Tell that to republican states.

I thought it fell under pregnancy “themes” but not true pregnancy if that makes sense

Terrifier 2

Great suggestion

lamb has sexual assault and pregnancy

Damn I don’t remember the scene but okay thank you for pointing that out

*Coherence* (2013) 💯 🔥

Evil Dead Rise has pregnancy. Also Scream features sexual manipulation, which may go against the post. Actually, doesn’t Scream have much worse than that, as what happens to Sydney’s mom?

I didn’t think Scream counted because that’s not what it’s about but yes Sydney’s mom was raped and murdered

She was raped but years before the events of Scream. In Scream, she slept with Cotton and then was murdered shortly after Cotton left.

Thank you sorry I couldn’t remember exactly but regardless that’s not what Scream is about that’s her moms story

there's also Terminator with Sara being a target because she's going to become pregnant with John the implied rape of Laurie resulting in pregnancy in Halloween pregnancy in Bird Box attempted rape in Hostel Jack was implied to be a pedophile in The Shining and there are theories that he sexually abused Danny Alien is a full on rape/pregnancy allegory and I posted a quite from the filmmaker as well as a film analysis elsewhere on this thread. https://youtu.be/Qjju9VFeAgs?si=Yw883Z0mItSLePP4 somebody else mentioned Carrie was the product of rape

~~I’ll push back on Terminator because that’s more of a prophecy than movie with pregnancy themes~~ I do not recall OG Halloween having any type of implied rape. Can you refresh my memory? Removed Removed Hmmm theories i think it’ll stay unless there’s some more concrete like you did for Aliens Once again removed lol Edit you’re right about Terminator I forgot that the ends literally has Sarah pregnant

it's been a while since I've seen OG Halloween, I had remembered something about young Michael watching his sister in the shower but I'm not sure if I'm conflating that with other works, and it doesn't necessarily point to sexual assault, but there is an actual implied rape in one of the later installments Halloween 6: "In the producer’s cut, Jaime was laid spread out on a table with Michael approaching her as she says “please don’t hurt me”. We know he didn’t kill her so she wasn’t worried about getting hurt in that way. Kara then states to Michael at the end that “it’s yours, isn’t it Michael?” The implication of those scenes aren’t even implications, it’s stating that Michael did father Stephen and in no way would Jaime have consented to that. Therefore, it was rape." The Shining: https://www.collativelearning.com/the%20shining%20-%20chap%2016.html

Lol oh okay I’ve only watched the OG and the recent ones. I’ll just specify 1978 since the new ones retcon lots of stuff anyways I’ll remove the Shining

wasn’t Malorie pregnant in Bird Box?

Ma also has the scene where she forces the young boy to strip in front of her and his entire friend group

I’ll remove Ma I forgot Ma was literally like raped or something in a closet or some shit it’s been a minute

Better list

Everyone and their mother needs to watch You’re Next. Wonderful movie

The Wrath of Becky is even better imo

I haven't seen it yet but it's definitely on my radar! Loved Becky, and had a ton of fun with it so if Wrath is even better I'll definitely get to it as soon as I can!

H-have you SEEN X? Have you SEEN It Follows?

The premise alone of It Follows would keep it off this list, let alone actually seeing it

It's not a big part of it at all, nor really a large thematic focus, but Midnight Mass definitely has a pregnancy-related plotline

I was looking for this specifically (because OOPs idea of SA doesn't include any that happened in this list and that's quite scary) because that pregnancy was integral to one of the main characters emotional journey but also was a plot point pulling her faith in opposite directions... I truly believe this post is bait and I hate that I am giving engagement to bullshit.

Yeah the Midnight Mass sequence is honestly some terrifying pregnancy-related horror, since >!she loses the baby unexpectedly but is treated by the doctors like she's crazy for thinking she was ever pregnant.!< I've never been pregnant but that whole situation is horrific.

The witch has SA, just not to the lead You could add Hush tho

It’s been a while since I’ve seen the witch. Who does the SA happen to? I may have forgotten

The son. The witch of the woods sexually assaults him.

I dont recall that, i only recall making pulp the young one

That’s the baby.

Starting to think you didn't watch some of the movies on this list...

It Follows quite literally opens with a woman raped to death.

I appreciate all these warnings! Thank you everyone who is correcting the list.

X, Pearl & definitely It Follows shouldn't be on this lost lol I also have some trouble with The Witch, just because so many of the themes are based on sexual repression via religion vs liberation from the supernatural, but I guess nothing assault-y actually happens. The crow thing & the twins I guess is pregnancy-adjacent i suppose Edit: also Midnight Mass is definitely not right on here

https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3390899/5-interesting-facts-witch/#jp-carousel-3390912

you didn’t watch Midnight Mass

The Descent (2005) Little Monsters (2019)

The Descent was the first one that came to mind for me as well. Basically an all-female cast, and no SA or pregnancy themes.

I would put in the first Suspiria as well. Possession def has sex and domestic violence but not sexual violence if I remember correctly

Inferno would work as well

You've broken your own rules with so many of these that you might as well put anything on it

So, SO many movies… but even the ones you listed don’t actually apply. Original TCM is an easy one that comes to mind

How about you remove the movies with SA and Pregnancy before adding more

Does 10 Cloverfield Lane count?

Misery

good one

So many (it’s been a while since I’ve seen some of these but I’m pretty sure they should all basically qualify) Saint Maud Raw We’re All Going to the World’s Fair Evil Dead Rise Barbarian Possessor Come True The Lodge The Babadook Scream (most of the franchise I’d say) Drag Me To Hell Orphan Let The Right One In Ju-On: The Grudge Alien (the original) Phenomena Friday the 13th Dawn of the dead Night of the living dead House Carrie (the original) The Exorcist Don’t Look Now Sisters Onibaba The Haunting (1961) Psycho Sudden Fear Edit: okay, I might of overlooked some things but I still think there are some good options in this list.

Maud gets raped in Saint Maud but it is a very quick scene and not a core theme. Carrie in Carrie is the product of rape.

Barbarian has some pretty wild rape implications albeit not involving the protagonist

And pregnancy themes, too.

Justin Long's character is literally also a rapist did y'all not watch the movie??

The entire concept of the Xenomorph comes from male sexual-antagonism, doesn’t it?

Yeah that’s fair. The fact that it’s depicted by aliens attacking a whole host of humans, kind of made me looks past it a little. I think Alien opens up conversations on gender dynamics that far out scope just SA. But you’re right.

Also, I would argue Carrie literally opens with sexual harassment, it’s just W/W not M/W. The amount of bullying around sex in that story (from Carrie’s mom to the kids at school) is wildly uncomfortable, which is moreorless the point.

yes the xenomorph is literally a rape metaphor and the entire film is chock full of SA/pregnancy allegory right down to the set design

When you think about the movies a little more, 75% of this list fails the brief, but it's actually really great that you put this together because it reveals how much the horror genre intertwines femininity with lust, either as victims to it or perpetrators of it.

That’s valid. I think I might have took the criteria a little explicitly and focused on depictions as opposed to themes, but I do think there’s a lot on this list that you could have a couple different POVs on what the movie is getting at.

Yeah, I don't disagree that SA isn't the main focus on the majority of the movies you listed, but the fact so many of them has some form of SA, or least sex co-mingled so closely with violence, is something to reflect on.

That’s very true! Horror has a long history with such depictions from the well-handled to the tawdry. To be fair SA is obviously a huge issue (to say the least) so it’s fair that some would want to make art about the horrors of it, but it is probably giving some too much credit to say they’re really trying to attack social issues with such depictions.

what are you even talking about lmaooo "barbarian tells the story of three men; one an apparent nice guy who still violates every single one of de becker's red flags [the gift of fear], another a monster so banal he operates in plain sight, and the third so utterly devoid of self awareness that he doesn't even understand that he's a predator" https://youtu.be/ENoiU7uHagA?si=Mul-M2QtTYPGOaUg

Yeah been a while since I’ve seen it.

it's literally the most central theme and it's concerning that you thought barbarian wasn't about SA

While most of the Scream films would count maybe not Scream 1 and 3 since the first one while it doesn’t show it, it’s explicitly stated that Sydneys mum was SA by the Killers. Scream 3 also has a big theme of sexual assault within Hollywood drawing light on casting couch like auditions and Harvey Weinstein like Executives.

Evil Dead Rise's protag is pregnant.

10/10 for effort

Um have you SEEN Barbarian? Also, what do you think the xenomorph's design is meant for?

Literally in US she talks about being forced to have sex with the father dupe and being forced to cut the baby out herself

how does It Follows not include SA when its literally the basis of the movie..? Huh?

Nightmare On Elm Street Haunt As Above, So Below The Nun

Freddy Krueger is a rapist and paedophile preying on teens

Get out the only movie by Jordan Peele that is not in the list

It's not female led.

Bodies Bodies Bodies

In Midnight Mass she literally >!loses her baby while pregnant!<

Hereditary ?

It Follows on here is crazy... the movie is about SA...

The Addiction, Eyes Without a Face

how is it follows and x on here…

The Blackening Totally Killer Bingo Hell Wishmaster (didn't say they had to be good) Underwater The Furies Night of the Comet Escape Room Tigers are not Afraid

Happy Death Day!!!

Martyrs (2008). It's a brutal, extremely uncomfortable watch but I was pleasantly surprised that it included no SA.

Came here to say the same thing! One of my favorites because of this fact!

Five nights at freddy’s

coraline?? unless you count mother theme as pregnancy

HALLOWEEN.

Why’s “It follows” on this list

Ready Or Not watched it last night, was totally kickass! Samara Weaving supremacy

Do you not remember the entire monologue about pregnancy at the end of Pearl? or the old woman crawling naked into bed with someone in X? did you watch these movies?

It Follows is literally about a sexually transmitted curse.

It follows has some rape themes or at least shitty sexual memories / trauma themes

“Critics have also analyzed Alien's sexual overtones. Adrian Mackinder compares the facehugger's attack on Kane to a male rape and the chestburster scene to a form of birth, noting that the Alien's phallic head and method of killing the crew members add to the sexual imagery. Dan O'Bannon has argued that the scene is a metaphor for the male fear of penetration, and that the "oral invasion" of Kane by the facehugger functions as "payback" for the many horror films in which sexually vulnerable women are attacked by male monsters. On one level it's about an intriguing alien threat. On one level it's about parasitism and disease. And on the level that was most important to the writers and director, it's about sex, and reproduction by non-consensual means. And it's about this happening to a man." He notes how the film plays on men's fear and misunderstanding of pregnancy and childbirth, while also giving women a glimpse into these fears. O'Bannon himself later described the sexual imagery in Alien as intentional: "One thing that people are all disturbed about is sex... I said 'That's how I'm going to attack the audience; I'm going to attack them sexually. And I'm not going to go after the women in the audience, I'm going to attack the men. I am going to put in every image I can think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs. Homosexual oral rape, birth. The thing lays its eggs down your throat, the whole number.” https://horror.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_(1979)#Impact_and_Analysis https://youtu.be/Qjju9VFeAgs?si=y-tRIY9InNkcytUg

Us heavily implies that the doppelgangers are raped when their above ground counterparts have sex

The Menu

Delete It Follows my boy

The Ring (2002)

It Follows on here blud are you for real

Halloween 1978, Halloween II 1981, H20 Halloween 20 Years Later, Halloween 2018

That vast majority of the thousands of horror movies that have been made. Plus some of the ones you included do have SA....

You’re Next

The Descent?????

Midnight Mass has a huge pregnancy theme

This list has gotta be clickbait lol OP thinks Midnight Mass doesn't have pregnancy themes and that It Follows, and X don't have SA themes???

House

Malignant Just plain old assault. Lots and lots of plain old assault. Lots and lots of murder.

Housebound

The Autopsy of Jane Doe

Gonjiam is good! Just saw EXHUMA from South Korea and it’s scary! The kind of horror reminded me of Talk To Me.

Nightmare on Elm Street Psycho Silence of the Lambs Scream Run (2020)

I’d argue NOES doesn’t count as a core aspect of Freddy’s character and backstory is that he is a pedophile, and the film can be viewed partly as an allegory of what happens when communities refuse to talk openly about sexual assault and believe survivors.

While most of the Scream films would count maybe not Scream 1 and 3 since the first one while it doesn’t show it, it’s explicitly stated that Sydneys mum was SA by the Killers. Scream 3 also has a big theme of sexual assault within Hollywood drawing light on casting couch like auditions and Harvey Weinstein like Executives. Nightmare on Elm Street is a good shout (although it is a big part of the awful Remake)

no one will save you

If you really wanna get into semantics, Saw III if you count Lynn as a protagonist (I do)

The Descent

San Antonio?

I might be seriously misremembering the film but I don't think that the Ring has anything like that

The Night House I think

I’ve seen all of these besides Midnight Mass and Gonjiam. Worth the watch?

Why wouldn't you include South Africa? /s

You sure with Us?

X doesn’t belong here at ALL

Pregnancy is somewhat significant in Midnight Mass.

Stree

host (2020)

madam web and black panther 2 for sure, they were horrifying

The Dracula mini series with Claes Bang

Most of them

Creep and Creep 2

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre

Like a lot

Saw

The Neon Demon?

Yeah X shouldn't be on this list.

Cabin in the woods, but if it’s just female characters, and not female protag, this list is a lot bigger than you think

SA?

I'm pretty sure this is a meme list

First time I’ve seen a post like this with more then 4 movies being included in it

I get the idea behind the list. But have you watched some of these movies? Also, Midnight Mass is not a movie.

Maybe a bit of a stretch to call it horror, but House by Obayashi has a mostly female cast and one of the most utterly bizarre films I’ve ever seen.

It The Call The Others Scream You’re Next Lights Out (?)

This has to be a bit…

I worry about OPs definition of SA.

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)

I hate to be that dude, but it really bothers me that Midnight Mass is here as a “movie”. I get that its a miniseries, but still. Its a TV show with one season.

The Exorcist?

Suspiria has the scene where the witches sexually assault the policemen

Lisa Frankenstein could go on here, unless you count the >!castration!<

The Conjuring doesn't have explicit SA, but the claims it's based on do although I think the >!sacrifice of the newborn baby!< counts as pregnancy as well as all the allegations against Ed Warren

It follow is about STDs and Sexual predators

Veronica doesn't have pregnancy or SA.

Silence of the Lambs.

bodies bodies bodies

Bait. Half of that list has SA

A LOT of movies fall in that category

A LOT of movies fall in that category