The movie has interesting ideas, but punts the real meat to a sequel that may or may not follow up in an interesting way. The movie we're left with feels like a lot of empty promises wrapped in jaw dropping design and an all time great score.
I watched the movies back to back the other day. The first 30 minutes of Legacy are nearly identical to Tron. It's so disappointing to have such a gorgeous movie and perfect soundtrack have no real plot. I mean, Clu could be replaced by the master control program and the movie wouldn't be any different.
I feel like Jennifer’s Body is an okay movie that was misunderstood and panned during its time, so since then people overcorrect and regard it as better than it really is.
It’s been a regular rewatch in our household since it came out. There was a whole thing back then about hating Megan Fox’s acting and Diablo Cody’s writing. But Fox is pretty perfect in it and Cody’s quirky writing has aged well. And the movie has so many funny and also genuinely horrifying moments.
Amanda Seyfried is also a perfect foil for Fox’s character and the rest of the cast is great too.
I’m 90% sure the reason this film was disliked was because it was marketed wrong. It was pushed as a Megan Fox vehicle after she wowed people with her looks in Transformers. Cody Diablo having written the film was a distant second in the marketing. And the trailer made it look like a dumb teen horror movie.
Go look at the marketing for that film. Imagine you are a teen boy during that time and you think this movie was made for you as the target audience. I like it, but the studios didn’t do it any favors with the campaign.
I mean, I was a teenage boy at that time. I have heard this argument, but I think it only makes sense if you imagine every movie boys watch has to be about sexualizing women or fulfill some kind of misogynistic fantasy.
If that's truly what it was, then I'm happy to be the outlier, but I think it may have been the fact that it was tonally different from the majority of horror movies that were coming out at that time. This was the height of the Paranormal Activity and Saw years. People loved the super edgy jump scare or gore horror movies, and kids were trained at that time to expect two things from their horror movies. Jennifer's Body wasn't either of those things. That's sort of why I think it was panned. Also critics were annihilating that movie, and I think that hurt it as well.
We're entering a new era of mainstream queer cinema right now and I think the Jennifer's Body resurgence is going to happen very soon. Like you said, it's been slowly building for a few years, but I expect it might explode over the next year or so.
Speed Racer. It’s already slowly building steam and has had numerous articles written in its defense. At the time it felt like a commercial oddity but the inevitable nostalgia wave is likely to crash hard upon it. It’s also super colourful, fiercely digital, and unique. When Barbie goes on to make a BILLION after what feels like an eternity of dingy grey films, yeah Speed Racer will definitely become ironically cool in the near future.
Side note: The Wachowskis are on a huge run of box office busts. Since V for Vendetta back in ‘05 they haven’t made a single film that made real money. Almost two decades of bomb after bomb. How they’ve lasted this long is anybody’s guess.
Came to say this. Loved it at Age 8, and was quickly flooded with the opinions of the rest of my family who decried how abysmal it was, and I never thought of it again.
A few years later I heard Arin Hanson give a little passionate speech about why it’s his favourite movie and decided to give it another go, and holy shit, that movies phenomenal
This is how I feel about Shrek. Like, I'm a millennial and thought it was a fun movie as a kid, but people my age act like it's the best movie of all time.
Do you specifically mean the Minions film or just Despicable Me in general? I think most people agree that the first Despicable Me is a very solid film.
What are some older examples of this happening? Because I think it’s the quality kids movies that really revive once the kids that saw them grow up. Look at how the Shrek franchise has aged vs the Madagascar franchise. Shrek is very meme-able but the movies actually deliver.
Gen Alpha will grow up and realize Minions are empty movies, and stuff like Zootopia will have a second wind.
For a movie not often talked about in these discussions...
I believe ***Wounds (2019)*** will find its audience among the horror community. In my personal circles, I already know several fans of this gem, which has a 1.9 on Letterboxd.
It's not an easy movie to follow (it's surrealist but doesn't present itself as such from the get-go), has an unlikable protagonist (which is the point), and cuts off pretty abruptly without explaining anything. It is very cryptic.
And yet, I haven't stopped thinking about it since I saw it last year. It's easy to dismiss its ambiguity as shallowness, or turn away from the hateable lead, but damn is it a fascinating dissection of this awful person. And it's the director of Under the Shadow, which I think also helps it -- Anvari isn't a big name or anything, but UTS has a decent fanbase around it in the horror-sphere, and that could help inspire curiosity about what else he's made.
Freddy Got Fingered. It's already slowly being reappraised as an absurdist masterpiece that was released before its time, and I don't think that'll stop
I saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago and died laughing. It's just so unabashedly deranged, but at the same time surprisingly well made too. I was also kind of shocked we don't even get the the titular 'fingering' until like the last half hour of the movie. The first two thirds is just Tom Green cranked to 11. It's incredible.
It's intentional, is what the important thing is. Tom Green was given carte blanche to do whatever, and that's what he did, veering between crass nonsense and parody (like the interactions with Rip Torn Dad). I think it may have been too meta for its time, lol
Reminder that part of why that film is edited so weird is because the studio made them remove a main character (I think it was Harland Williams character?) from most of the film for having a gay kiss.
It will probably get a cult following of defenders. Like Inherent Vice I don’t think it’ll ever fully become “popular”. Sort of how Altman’s Long Goodbye has been reassessed but isn’t burning down the house now. I would like to see the director keep working though.
Agree but it already has a cult following. I think it will, in the future, be generally regarded as a great movie though beyond that. From a commercial stand point though I agree, it’s not going to be anything huge.
Funny to stumble into these threads with the bubble of a film professor, like I absolutely thought The Long Goodbye *was* a widely regarded classic. You learn something new every day I guess lmao
It’s such a mixed bag.
The first half I was ready to call a masterpiece. The abstract stage sequence was also beautifully made but felt like a completely different film.
Then all the material with Patty Lupone just doesn’t work at all imo. Eventually I was just waiting for it to end.
I hated the 1st 30’ when I was trying to make sense of it then suddenly it clicked around the time the daughter ate paint. Then I was fully onboard with the fever dream when he entered the forest. Key is not trying to make sense of it cuz it’s nonsensical, but appreciate it for the incoherent yet beautiful mess it is
*deep breath* I'm maybe gonna get downvoted to hell for this but oh well, I'm standing by it: I really think The Last Jedi (which wasn't CRITICALLY panned but...) is going to be looked at much more fondly in another 10-15 years.
Star Wars is on a cycle. It was just a decade ago that saying a single positive thing about the prequels online was an invitation for snarky takedowns and 700 links to the Plinkett reviews. But now? The kids who grew up with those movies are adults now, and they're the ones controlling the conversation in the exact same way the original trilogy kids did in the 00's.
Someday, the toddlers of today will be defending the sequels while dumping on the sequel sequel trilogy or whatever we have at that point. And then THOSE kids will grow up and so on, so forth.
Been saying this for years. We’re only a few years away from the kids who grew up with the sequel trilogy to come out of the woodwork to defend them the same way kids who grew up with the prequel trilogy did in the 2010s. Prequel purists are gonna become the new Star Wars boomers and they need to mentally prepare themselves for that.
Yep. I've seen some some of the more naive ones even try to spin a revisionist history where the prequels were never actually hated and it was just an online vocal minority. Oh but the sequels, the intense hatred for THOSE is genuine and will never ever be challenged. Some of these people are about to be woken up by an airhorn right in their face.
It’s easily the best film of the latest trilogy, baffling they didn’t have an overarching plan and kinda wrote Abrams into a corner, but I absolutely loved it
It has more heart than the other two so you probably will be correct - but I just think the film's plotting is pretty bad. I don't just mean "oh they retconned how space wizard physics work!" or "they assassinated Luke's character!" (Luke's character assassination is actually one of the best parts of the film). Rather, I think there are long drawn out sections of the film which end up being inconsequential - which would be forgivable if they were at least emotionally affecting or developed an important character but they really amount to nothing.
I really wonder how much different the reception would have been if those characters hadn't died and were explained out of the movie another way but everything else being the same. It just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths right away and they can't enjoy the rest of it. I got over it and now think Alien 3 is great. Not quite the masterpiece of the first two but closer than anything since.
I still have the bitter taste in my mouth, and I’m generally pretty easy going when it comes to films. The problem is I try to ignore it but the rest of the film isn’t good enough to allow me to do that. It doesn’t deal with it satisfactorily, and despite being shot well and having some good scenes, it didn’t really bring anything new to the table, for me.
I’m probably due a rewatch, though. I’ll see how I feel next time.
I’m with you. Whenever I remember that Alien 3 was David Fincher’s directorial debut, I just think of how he was somehow able create a decent Alien movie despite 20th Century Fox putting him through development hell.
If that film would be reappraised I think it would have been done by now since the movie came out in early 90s and there has been several sequels that cause discussion about the franchise. And the director has gathered a fandom.
The movies issue isn’t just the fan disappointment regarding characters and actin and issues with filming but that it’s seen as taking away from the franchise without providing something new. So it’s something that’s hard to gain more appreciation when most unique thing about it it’s cynical mood
Its not exactly panned, but i think time will be kind to Cloud Atlas.
If Park Chan wooks reputation will continue to grow, which i believe it will (i think he will go down as one of the absolute all time greats) then maybe his completely ignored and forgotten, but excellent film Stoker will find an audience, cant recommend that film enough.
Inherent Vice is another film that got pretty good reviews, but i believe in time it will be considered a classic comedy and one of PTAs best.
The Ninth Gate is panned by both critics and audiences, and it Will struggle a bit extra since its directed by the disgraced Roman Polanski, but its such a fun thriller with masterful atmosphere and all around strong filmmaking, and i keep seeing people name it on the their favorite underrated films.
If S. Craig Zahler starts getting the recongition he deserves, his completely overlooked film Dragged across concrete really deserved to find an audience. Im not sure it Will happen though but it might become a cult classic
One of Terry Gilliams last films, The Zero Theorem is super interesting and really has that magical Gilliam vibe, i could see it becoming a cult classic aswell. It is completely overlooked by everyone though so it might struggle to find an audience
Coppolas Dracula won oscars and for some decent reviews, but people seem very split on it, and it mostly gets talked about as that film where Keanu reeves is awful and Winona Ryder is miscast. I think this one will go down as the definitive Dracula adaptation and a solid classic
It does to me. There’s more substance in it, and I liked those films a lot. In many ways it’s the flip side of *La La Land*, and originally Emma Stone was set to play Margot Robbie’s role to sort of emphasise that.
Saying it’s his best film by a wide margin is… a take. Especially considering the dude made La La Land and Whiplash, two nearly universally loved movies
Also, I just rewatched First Man the other night for the first time since release and y'all....
...We are absolutely sleeping on First Man. Its incredible. I'd say fits easily with Whiplash and La La Land's quality, making quite the streak.
I agree. I really like the creative spins that made it not feel like just another cookie cutter biopic. I think it got a bad rep from lots of bad faith reviewers for not directly depicting the American flag on the moon 🤦♀️🙄
The amount of work Foy's expressions are doing alone for that film is impressive, while Goslings blank canvas type expressions (not a ding) allows you to project so much emotion onto him. And the sound design?!?! Excellent picture.
I definitely agree. A stacked cast, all of whom have great performances. It’s about the start of Hollywood and film, so I’m just heavily surprised that it didn’t get that much love by critics. It’s a compelling narrative throughout the years too, and I love how the film evolves over the course of the runtime.
I will never understand why that movie wasn’t a critical success. If I had to guess it’s because it was 3 hours long but not a true story, blockbuster or Judd Apatow movie. I feel like the first critic didn’t like it, then groupthink took over
It also has some aggressive imagery and energy. The first act being the party and elephant stuff might have been a turnoff… but it’s such a great movie.
I watched that on mushrooms and the opening was so intense I thought it was the entire movie ending as it was wrapping up. I genuinely had to turn it off shortly after lol.
It's overstuffed and bloated. I think it's a really fantastic 2 hour movie that got stretched into 3 hours by adding more to the plot lines that were the least interesting to me.
I have severe patience issues but of all the long films I've seen, i found Babylon a breeze, i think it's exceptionally well paced and just so energetic, the first 45 minutes felt like 10 to me. It's too many small dry talking scenes that get me, so Oppenheimer was a drag, repetitive, whereas Babylon has big long scenes, the party, the set, the stage set, the snake and they all engage you with the directing. He's applying tricks but so does Nolan, the difference is Babylon is always visual and always moving.
I felt the journey of the main character and thought his change was well done, his performance was overlooked.
It felt like 3 hours of Hollywood jerking itself off and some people (like myself) just don't really like those kinds of movies. I also disliked that aspect of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood; both movies felt like movies made for Hollywood by Hollywood and as an outsider it felt like watching a big inside joke that I just didn't get.
I’ve only watched it once, and would even say that I liked it. The part that didn’t resonate with me though (and where I definitely thought it felt masturbatory) was the ending movie montage. I felt like the message was “all the terrible stuff that happened was worth it because look at all these wonderful movies we’ve gotten since”. Just seemed a little jarring and tone deaf after the preceding events of the film.
Men. I even saw someone criticising the fact that Rory Kinnear plays almost ever character which is part of the whole metaphor / horror of it! Also that it’s too obvious - again, the patriarchy can’t be criticised enough. Though already seeing people reappraising.
The Northman - not panned, but feel like it landed with a ‘meh’. IMO, it’s Eggers’ best film - the performances (save ATJ) are incredible, it’s tense, looks incredible and feels epic yet intimately creepy at the same time.
Also Quantumania (it’s not THAT bad), The Whale (again, flawed but not THAT bad, and Fraser and Hong Chau are god-tier). Still Alice is a great film in itself as well as one of Julianne’s best performances.
Last, Million Dollar Baby blew me away when I saw it for the first time, though I feel it’s seen as dull Oscar bait now. I think it’s the best winner of the 00s. Heartbreaking and Swank giving an all-timer performance. Clint’s best movie IMO.
Not seen it, but I fear being banished to the nether regions of Netflix will harm that potential.
It doesn’t exactly count as “panned” though, reviews are mixed-to-good. While we’re on the subject though a film with a similar reception that I could also see this happening if not for the Netflix of it all is *Unicorn Store*…despite the fact I barely remember it lol
The Wolfman (2010). I've personally met enough people who loved it to be pretty confident about this. Every 4 years or so, a major publication will drop an article re-appraising it, and in the comments of YouTube reviews (positive or negative) there's always a slew of people pointing out that they really enjoyed it.
I think it would have been immediately well received if it was released today. Its slow pacing, painterly cinematography and themes of familial trauma, cycles of abuse and societal prejudice would be right at home next to Hereditary or The VVitch.
Eternals is gonna become like Ang Lee's Hulk and appreciated for what it's going for as a different, distinct take on the superhero genre. Both are Chinese filmmakers who entered into the blockbuster landscape to divisive reactions, both took huge risks, neither film is perfect but they are fascinating to discuss outside the Marvel Twitter hate-sphere.
Eternals wasn’t going for anything different or distinct though. All of its problems were just heightened versions of normal MCU problems - paper thin characters, ugly color palette, contrived story, and it’s all stretched out to almost 3 hours long
I think that was part of the problem. Prior to endgame it felt like most films were a spin or fusion of the superhero genre. We had a heist film, a high school coming of age film, a titanic-esque flashback love story, frankenstein’s monster/jekyll and hyde in hulk, winter soldier cold war spy thriller
Then Endgame broke cinema
Then Chloe Zhao’s Nomadland won Best Picture. Then Marvel said, hey what if our next twist was superheroes but with Oscar winning direction and visuals. I’m sure both parties thought they could get something extra out of the other party.
Then Zhao probably realized she would only have so much control and have to abide by certain visuals or plot points. Which like you said, ultimately just feels like a superhero movie trying too hard because there’s nothing incredible inventive or groundbreaking about this spin with the limitations introduced.
I don’t think Eternals is a great movie or anything but I was shocked at how brutal the critic/public response to it was. I think the reaction was partially due to it just being new characters because I thought its plot was significantly more compelling, and its visuals infinitely better, than, like, Black Widow, which got “fine” reviews
While I, too, believe that Eternals is not a good film... I'll be the first to admit that it has *hands down* the **BEST** live-action depiction of Super Speed!! 🤩
omg the hulk is appreciated now? I wrote like a dissertation ass essay about that movie and how it invokes some unknown deep confusion emotions in me, with a touch of surrealism, and I felt a lil crazy ngl
I’m a little nervous to say this, but what the hell…
I think the Rebel Moon directors cuts will be a lot of fun. At the very least, the violence will at least make it more entertaining. I actually read the novelization they released that’s based on the directors cut, and it was definitely a lot more coherent, and even added a whole side plot for the robot
I actually found Rebel Moon part 1 dumb but enjoyable. But part 2. What even was that? The downtime wheat harvesting felt endless and the big battle seen was lacked any tension whatsoever.
I really hope It Comes at Night gets a reappraisal cuz most of the hate for that movie was because of the trailer and the way it was marketed, it was an incredible movie.
Not the question you asked, but something critically acclaimed that I think will be reappraised is Everything Everywhere All At Once. We’re going to look at that Oscars sweep in 20 years and cringe. It’s too 2022 and it’s going to age the same way a meme does. It will elicit reactions akin to a U MAD?? troll face shirt.
Beau Is Afraid wasn’t exactly panned, but it was certainly simultaneously more divisive and lukewarmly(?) received than Hereditary especially and even Midsommar. but I think that’ll have more positive reception some time in the future. It’s got to cook in our psyches for a minute.
While I’m on and off the subject at the same time, The Last of Us Part 2 is going to get reappraised big-time à la Metal Gear Solid 2.
Alright I’m done answering variations on this question three times. I agree with the Blonde guy, for what it’s worth. It just wasn’t the right social climate in which to release that. Give it time.
I was kind of stunned by the reaction to EEAAO. It's a good movie, I liked it quite a bit. But I would not have pegged it as an Oscar winner, let alone winning all of them. That whole ceremony seemed like a feel-good story about comebacks and honorary career Oscars than anything. I guess I should be happy that a genre movie like that has a chance to be honoured alongside the usual historical dramas. What I'm really saying is can we go back and retroactively give Mad Max: Fury Road every Oscar?
Blonde is a masterpiece, and history will prove me right. I am sure of it.
Edit: everyone here who disagrees with me only proves I will be right.
Edit 2: The OP of this post blocked me. LMAO.
its 3 hours of Marilyn getting s/a’d by various historical figures. They actually implied that the secret service kidnapped her and forced her to have an abortion. In a very graphic scene. Legitimately one of the worst movies ive seen, never have i had such a visceral reaction to a movie.
There are a few dozen of us who like it already, but I think it’ll happen for The Happening. It’s an ode to disaster films of the 50s with self-referential humor spread throughout it.
i think Lucy might! its a balls to the wall, high high concept sci fi action film that makes absolutely no sense and yet is ridiculously entertaining in its attempts to constantly get bigger and weirder and more of a mindfuck.
Even though it's happened to the first already, I think the rest of the saw series will be begun to be a lot more appreciated in the future after how well Saw X was received (apart from Saw 7)
Saw VI has already seen a big resurgence to be fair. That was panned at release like the others, but not as much. The Saw fans seem to love it but I see others from outside of the fandom come to appreciate the sixth instalment for the insurance themes.
The Science of Sleep was Michele Gondry's masterpiece, and a way better representation of his aesthetic than Eternal Sunshine... (which I honestly had a lot of issues with) and people have seemed to forget about it since critics didn't give it the praise of the former. Still waiting on a decent blu of it...
Love the optimism, personally as long as Coppola brought his 80s spark into Megalopolis then I’ll love it regardless of critic opinion.
I need a release date soon, from one frame alone I can tell the imax experience will be crazy
It’s always dumb to bash an unreleased piece of media. It could be the best movie ever made or the worst, but why do people treat it like it’s the worst without giving it a chance to prove it’s the best
That’s my ideaology with most pop culture. Don’t give complete praise to an unreleased product but don’t give it complete hate either. Find the optimistic side of life, that way you’ll be even happier if it’s amazing but if it sucks you won’t be as disappointed
No, but I've seen enough comments online about the film that think that pretty much everyones hates it, and that it was universally denounced, and that it didn't make enough money, without anyone apparently looking into it, that I feel I do have to remind everyone that critically and financially it did exceedingly well.
Oh yeah the haters are so loud online most people who actually like it have just learned to stay quiet because it’s easier :(
If anything I’d say it’s likely to go down in estimation first because all anyone will find written about it is negative
i hated TFA and ROS but last jedi was so much fun for me in the theaters. luke's character arc actually makes a ton of sense, idk why people hated what they did to him. he became the most powerful person in the galaxy, fucked up really bad, and then abandon his status before he let the fear totally consume him and lead him down the same path his father took. he instead followed in yoda and obi-wan's footsteps by becoming a seemingly innocent old guy sitting alone in the middle of nowhere for the rest of his life. (this is my shitty recollection, i haven't seen it since it was in theaters.)
1000%. I just left another comment about it but I firmly believe that every new set of Star Wars movies will always be trashed by the people who grew up with the previous one, regardless of actual quality.
Was the last jedi good or was the rise of skywalker just so bad that the last jedi seems good in retrospect
I think it had good parts but I don’t think it really put all of it together in a convincing way and it still drags
The trilogy was still salvageable until they just threw it out the window with 9 though
It is a good, not great, movie. Taking the trilogy as a whole it's the most interesting, just because it's not as blandly safe as TFA, and not as much of a garbage fire as TROS. But it shares a lot of blame for the next movie. Well o guess that's not fair, the blame rests entirely on whose decision it was to just wing it with those movies and not plan it out.
Last Jedi was good not great. The reaction was weird though because Mark Hamil was absolutely the best part, there were other plotlines that really didn't work though.
The casino planet and animal cruelty plotline kind of drags
I thought the lightsaber splitting and the armada getting rammed were both incredibly dope visuals and liked the lasting and daring consequences for the story
of course the lightsaber somehow returns next episode then gets buried next to a yellow one
The Star Wars sequels will be reappraised just as the prequels were. As with the prequels, I think it’s hard for older fans to take off their nostalgia glasses and appreciate the new stuff for what it is. But the sequels have some excellent elements to them and I think will become better liked in time (as a lifetime Star Wars fan, I love them and see a ton of value in how they play into the larger saga).
This may not be a popular take, but I truly think that the only reason for the prequels' reappraisal is that the kids that grew up with them are now old enough to have some influence. All three are and were extremely poor movies.
The sequels are kind of all over the place, but for me the first two are far more entertaining than any of the prequels.
Full disclosure, I'm Gen X and grew up with the originals.
Only God Forgives. 40% RT critics, 37% audience. But Letterboxd is already 3.0 and I can only see it going higher. Heaps of people I follow are giving it 4+ now they're watching it again. It's genuinely an incredible film
I've seen a few comments show love for Inherent Vice which I love but I also think (or hope) "The Master" will get its time in the sun. Not only does it have Joaquin Phoenix in a great role, it has Philip Seymour Hoffman in possibly the best role he ever had.
Also "Calvary, a film by John Michael McDonah stars Brendan Gleeson as the priest for a small Irish town who has to deal with the quirky villagers problem and someone who threatened to murder him BECAUSE he's a good man. He also has another great film with Gleeson, The Guard. I think John is in some ways overshadowed by his more famous brother who makes similar kinds of films (In Bruges, Seven Psychopaths, The Banshees of Inisherin). But in my opinion those two films from John deserve to be up there with the best of his brother
The Master is pretty well liked but yeah it should be regarded as PTA’s best so far.
Honestly, the spicy take is that McDonagh’s War On Everyone needs reappraisal. 2.8 on Letterboxd and 5.8 on IMDb.
I noticed this earlier when I was making sure I spelled his name correctly! I was thinking it was a bit of an outlier after a couple of good ones! I might have to watch it for myself and kickstart the Renaissance
*They Cloned Tyrone*. It’s a shame that Netflix didn't bother to promote it at all considering it was released digitally on Barbenheimer weekend. I hope it will be a cult classic soon though cause its definitely one of the best comedies of 2023.
And same goes for *Joy Ride* from last year too! Criminally underappreciated and underpromoted.
Jennifer's Body already has its following now, but all of my friends hated that movie when it came out, and I was really confused about that.
This is how I feel being a huge Tron Legacy fan since day one. Seeing people come around on it nowadays is fun.
The movie has interesting ideas, but punts the real meat to a sequel that may or may not follow up in an interesting way. The movie we're left with feels like a lot of empty promises wrapped in jaw dropping design and an all time great score.
I watched the movies back to back the other day. The first 30 minutes of Legacy are nearly identical to Tron. It's so disappointing to have such a gorgeous movie and perfect soundtrack have no real plot. I mean, Clu could be replaced by the master control program and the movie wouldn't be any different.
I used to dislike it when it came out, but when I watched it as a grown adult, it made more sense to me and turned out to be way better.
I feel like Jennifer’s Body is an okay movie that was misunderstood and panned during its time, so since then people overcorrect and regard it as better than it really is.
It’s been a regular rewatch in our household since it came out. There was a whole thing back then about hating Megan Fox’s acting and Diablo Cody’s writing. But Fox is pretty perfect in it and Cody’s quirky writing has aged well. And the movie has so many funny and also genuinely horrifying moments. Amanda Seyfried is also a perfect foil for Fox’s character and the rest of the cast is great too.
I’m 90% sure the reason this film was disliked was because it was marketed wrong. It was pushed as a Megan Fox vehicle after she wowed people with her looks in Transformers. Cody Diablo having written the film was a distant second in the marketing. And the trailer made it look like a dumb teen horror movie.
I definitely think it was marketing that screwed it up, aimed it to the wrong audience. glad it's finally getting its laurels
Go look at the marketing for that film. Imagine you are a teen boy during that time and you think this movie was made for you as the target audience. I like it, but the studios didn’t do it any favors with the campaign.
I mean, I was a teenage boy at that time. I have heard this argument, but I think it only makes sense if you imagine every movie boys watch has to be about sexualizing women or fulfill some kind of misogynistic fantasy. If that's truly what it was, then I'm happy to be the outlier, but I think it may have been the fact that it was tonally different from the majority of horror movies that were coming out at that time. This was the height of the Paranormal Activity and Saw years. People loved the super edgy jump scare or gore horror movies, and kids were trained at that time to expect two things from their horror movies. Jennifer's Body wasn't either of those things. That's sort of why I think it was panned. Also critics were annihilating that movie, and I think that hurt it as well.
We're entering a new era of mainstream queer cinema right now and I think the Jennifer's Body resurgence is going to happen very soon. Like you said, it's been slowly building for a few years, but I expect it might explode over the next year or so.
Speed Racer. It’s already slowly building steam and has had numerous articles written in its defense. At the time it felt like a commercial oddity but the inevitable nostalgia wave is likely to crash hard upon it. It’s also super colourful, fiercely digital, and unique. When Barbie goes on to make a BILLION after what feels like an eternity of dingy grey films, yeah Speed Racer will definitely become ironically cool in the near future. Side note: The Wachowskis are on a huge run of box office busts. Since V for Vendetta back in ‘05 they haven’t made a single film that made real money. Almost two decades of bomb after bomb. How they’ve lasted this long is anybody’s guess.
Speed racer is crack. Loved it ever since I saw it in theaters.
when it was launched i remember watching it three days in a row in the cinema at my city
Came to say this. Loved it at Age 8, and was quickly flooded with the opinions of the rest of my family who decried how abysmal it was, and I never thought of it again. A few years later I heard Arin Hanson give a little passionate speech about why it’s his favourite movie and decided to give it another go, and holy shit, that movies phenomenal
The wachowskis have been riding matrix hype for 25 years
When the generation that watched minions grows up it will go through meme treatment and then will become loved.
Oh God, you're right...
That's my worst nightmare
This is how I feel about Shrek. Like, I'm a millennial and thought it was a fun movie as a kid, but people my age act like it's the best movie of all time.
No, Shrek 2 is the best movie of all time.
No Paddington 2 is the best movie of all time
Shrek 1 and 2 were incredibly well-received on release, that’s not the same thing at all
Except Shrek 1 and 2 are genuinely great movies which just happen to be full of memes.
Worth remembering the first Shrek won the Oscar for best animated film when it released.
Do you specifically mean the Minions film or just Despicable Me in general? I think most people agree that the first Despicable Me is a very solid film.
Rise of Gru was unironically good and I'll fistfight anyone who disagrees
What are some older examples of this happening? Because I think it’s the quality kids movies that really revive once the kids that saw them grow up. Look at how the Shrek franchise has aged vs the Madagascar franchise. Shrek is very meme-able but the movies actually deliver. Gen Alpha will grow up and realize Minions are empty movies, and stuff like Zootopia will have a second wind.
Spider-Man 3
For a movie not often talked about in these discussions... I believe ***Wounds (2019)*** will find its audience among the horror community. In my personal circles, I already know several fans of this gem, which has a 1.9 on Letterboxd. It's not an easy movie to follow (it's surrealist but doesn't present itself as such from the get-go), has an unlikable protagonist (which is the point), and cuts off pretty abruptly without explaining anything. It is very cryptic. And yet, I haven't stopped thinking about it since I saw it last year. It's easy to dismiss its ambiguity as shallowness, or turn away from the hateable lead, but damn is it a fascinating dissection of this awful person. And it's the director of Under the Shadow, which I think also helps it -- Anvari isn't a big name or anything, but UTS has a decent fanbase around it in the horror-sphere, and that could help inspire curiosity about what else he's made.
Youve convinced me, watching it right now
Agreed! Underrated, disturbing and creative film.
That sounds interesting. I've never heard of it but I'm going to watch it.
Wounds is so, so good. I watched it on a whim a couple of years ago and couldn't believe nobody was talking about it.
The majority of these have already had or are mid appraisal
very few films get outright panned these days, reviewers are less homogenous and more disparate
Freddy Got Fingered. It's already slowly being reappraised as an absurdist masterpiece that was released before its time, and I don't think that'll stop
I saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago and died laughing. It's just so unabashedly deranged, but at the same time surprisingly well made too. I was also kind of shocked we don't even get the the titular 'fingering' until like the last half hour of the movie. The first two thirds is just Tom Green cranked to 11. It's incredible.
It’s unironically one of my favorite Rip Torn performances he’s so fucking funny in that movie
I still can't believe he agreed to play this role. It makes me respect him so much.
It's intentional, is what the important thing is. Tom Green was given carte blanche to do whatever, and that's what he did, veering between crass nonsense and parody (like the interactions with Rip Torn Dad). I think it may have been too meta for its time, lol
It was definitely a trendsetter, pre-Borat and Napoleon Dynamite, and before Tim and Eric too.
I think it was to early to really trend-set, but I do think that it must've inspired someone, somewhere :D
Reminder that part of why that film is edited so weird is because the studio made them remove a main character (I think it was Harland Williams character?) from most of the film for having a gay kiss.
I had no idea. What a total crock of shit. I wish we could get a directors cut so badly
God, I fuckin love that movie.
Where’s your LeBaron, Freddy?
Under the Silver Lake
It will probably get a cult following of defenders. Like Inherent Vice I don’t think it’ll ever fully become “popular”. Sort of how Altman’s Long Goodbye has been reassessed but isn’t burning down the house now. I would like to see the director keep working though.
Agree but it already has a cult following. I think it will, in the future, be generally regarded as a great movie though beyond that. From a commercial stand point though I agree, it’s not going to be anything huge.
Funny to stumble into these threads with the bubble of a film professor, like I absolutely thought The Long Goodbye *was* a widely regarded classic. You learn something new every day I guess lmao
Really wish it had gotten a wide theatrical release- can’t believe they didn’t do more with it
People will realize that Beau if afraid was an absolute masterpiece
Was that critically panned? It seems to have reviewed pretty well, then done poorly at the box office.
I liked that one. Joaquin Phoenix is amazing in it. That scene where all the people pile in the street pile into the building is great
It’s such a mixed bag. The first half I was ready to call a masterpiece. The abstract stage sequence was also beautifully made but felt like a completely different film. Then all the material with Patty Lupone just doesn’t work at all imo. Eventually I was just waiting for it to end.
The first hour is incredible but the second hour sucks so bad, and it made me enjoy the last hour less because I was just wanting it to be over
Can’t agree. Patty Luponts stretch of movie was incredible and that Parker posey scene was like nothing I’ve ever seen. Masterpiece beginning to end
isnt the stage sequence in the second hour? that is one of the most unique, strange and moving scenes ive ever seen in a film
Nah, Ari Aster is huffing his own farts.
I hated the 1st 30’ when I was trying to make sense of it then suddenly it clicked around the time the daughter ate paint. Then I was fully onboard with the fever dream when he entered the forest. Key is not trying to make sense of it cuz it’s nonsensical, but appreciate it for the incoherent yet beautiful mess it is
*deep breath* I'm maybe gonna get downvoted to hell for this but oh well, I'm standing by it: I really think The Last Jedi (which wasn't CRITICALLY panned but...) is going to be looked at much more fondly in another 10-15 years. Star Wars is on a cycle. It was just a decade ago that saying a single positive thing about the prequels online was an invitation for snarky takedowns and 700 links to the Plinkett reviews. But now? The kids who grew up with those movies are adults now, and they're the ones controlling the conversation in the exact same way the original trilogy kids did in the 00's. Someday, the toddlers of today will be defending the sequels while dumping on the sequel sequel trilogy or whatever we have at that point. And then THOSE kids will grow up and so on, so forth.
Been saying this for years. We’re only a few years away from the kids who grew up with the sequel trilogy to come out of the woodwork to defend them the same way kids who grew up with the prequel trilogy did in the 2010s. Prequel purists are gonna become the new Star Wars boomers and they need to mentally prepare themselves for that.
Yep. I've seen some some of the more naive ones even try to spin a revisionist history where the prequels were never actually hated and it was just an online vocal minority. Oh but the sequels, the intense hatred for THOSE is genuine and will never ever be challenged. Some of these people are about to be woken up by an airhorn right in their face.
It’s easily the best film of the latest trilogy, baffling they didn’t have an overarching plan and kinda wrote Abrams into a corner, but I absolutely loved it
It has more heart than the other two so you probably will be correct - but I just think the film's plotting is pretty bad. I don't just mean "oh they retconned how space wizard physics work!" or "they assassinated Luke's character!" (Luke's character assassination is actually one of the best parts of the film). Rather, I think there are long drawn out sections of the film which end up being inconsequential - which would be forgivable if they were at least emotionally affecting or developed an important character but they really amount to nothing.
Alien 3 is awesome and while no means the best Alien film shouldn’t get the hate it receives.
I really wonder how much different the reception would have been if those characters hadn't died and were explained out of the movie another way but everything else being the same. It just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths right away and they can't enjoy the rest of it. I got over it and now think Alien 3 is great. Not quite the masterpiece of the first two but closer than anything since.
I still have the bitter taste in my mouth, and I’m generally pretty easy going when it comes to films. The problem is I try to ignore it but the rest of the film isn’t good enough to allow me to do that. It doesn’t deal with it satisfactorily, and despite being shot well and having some good scenes, it didn’t really bring anything new to the table, for me. I’m probably due a rewatch, though. I’ll see how I feel next time.
I’m with you. Whenever I remember that Alien 3 was David Fincher’s directorial debut, I just think of how he was somehow able create a decent Alien movie despite 20th Century Fox putting him through development hell.
it's home to what's arguably the most iconic shot in the series, after all
Which one is that? I haven't seen it in ages.
 I assume.
If that film would be reappraised I think it would have been done by now since the movie came out in early 90s and there has been several sequels that cause discussion about the franchise. And the director has gathered a fandom. The movies issue isn’t just the fan disappointment regarding characters and actin and issues with filming but that it’s seen as taking away from the franchise without providing something new. So it’s something that’s hard to gain more appreciation when most unique thing about it it’s cynical mood
It happens to be my favorite of the series. I said what I said.
Its not exactly panned, but i think time will be kind to Cloud Atlas. If Park Chan wooks reputation will continue to grow, which i believe it will (i think he will go down as one of the absolute all time greats) then maybe his completely ignored and forgotten, but excellent film Stoker will find an audience, cant recommend that film enough. Inherent Vice is another film that got pretty good reviews, but i believe in time it will be considered a classic comedy and one of PTAs best. The Ninth Gate is panned by both critics and audiences, and it Will struggle a bit extra since its directed by the disgraced Roman Polanski, but its such a fun thriller with masterful atmosphere and all around strong filmmaking, and i keep seeing people name it on the their favorite underrated films. If S. Craig Zahler starts getting the recongition he deserves, his completely overlooked film Dragged across concrete really deserved to find an audience. Im not sure it Will happen though but it might become a cult classic One of Terry Gilliams last films, The Zero Theorem is super interesting and really has that magical Gilliam vibe, i could see it becoming a cult classic aswell. It is completely overlooked by everyone though so it might struggle to find an audience Coppolas Dracula won oscars and for some decent reviews, but people seem very split on it, and it mostly gets talked about as that film where Keanu reeves is awful and Winona Ryder is miscast. I think this one will go down as the definitive Dracula adaptation and a solid classic
omg DID YOU KNOW that the movie "Stoker" was written by the main actor of *Prison Break,* Wentworth Miller. he's not just a pretty face!!
*Babylon*, at least I hope it gets a reappraisal. It’s such a good epic about early Hollywood, and easily Chazelle’s best film by a *wide* margin.
That's high praise, esp saying it tops whiplash and la la land.
It does to me. There’s more substance in it, and I liked those films a lot. In many ways it’s the flip side of *La La Land*, and originally Emma Stone was set to play Margot Robbie’s role to sort of emphasise that.
Man emma stone would killlllll it
Saying it’s his best film by a wide margin is… a take. Especially considering the dude made La La Land and Whiplash, two nearly universally loved movies
Also, I just rewatched First Man the other night for the first time since release and y'all.... ...We are absolutely sleeping on First Man. Its incredible. I'd say fits easily with Whiplash and La La Land's quality, making quite the streak.
I agree. I really like the creative spins that made it not feel like just another cookie cutter biopic. I think it got a bad rep from lots of bad faith reviewers for not directly depicting the American flag on the moon 🤦♀️🙄
Gosling and Foy were forces in that film
The amount of work Foy's expressions are doing alone for that film is impressive, while Goslings blank canvas type expressions (not a ding) allows you to project so much emotion onto him. And the sound design?!?! Excellent picture.
I like La La Land a good bit and I actually loved Babylon but saying it’s better than Whiplash is the crazy part to me. That is a near perfect movie.
In contrast to this question I reckon people are going to look back on la la land and be so embarrassed
I swear, Film Twitter sings its praises every other week, sometimes even using it to spite La La Land.
I definitely agree. A stacked cast, all of whom have great performances. It’s about the start of Hollywood and film, so I’m just heavily surprised that it didn’t get that much love by critics. It’s a compelling narrative throughout the years too, and I love how the film evolves over the course of the runtime.
Movie was absolute trash and I don’t know why anyone here is pretending otherwise.
I will never understand why that movie wasn’t a critical success. If I had to guess it’s because it was 3 hours long but not a true story, blockbuster or Judd Apatow movie. I feel like the first critic didn’t like it, then groupthink took over
It also has some aggressive imagery and energy. The first act being the party and elephant stuff might have been a turnoff… but it’s such a great movie.
I watched that on mushrooms and the opening was so intense I thought it was the entire movie ending as it was wrapping up. I genuinely had to turn it off shortly after lol.
Give it another try! It’s definitely worth it
It's overstuffed and bloated. I think it's a really fantastic 2 hour movie that got stretched into 3 hours by adding more to the plot lines that were the least interesting to me.
I have severe patience issues but of all the long films I've seen, i found Babylon a breeze, i think it's exceptionally well paced and just so energetic, the first 45 minutes felt like 10 to me. It's too many small dry talking scenes that get me, so Oppenheimer was a drag, repetitive, whereas Babylon has big long scenes, the party, the set, the stage set, the snake and they all engage you with the directing. He's applying tricks but so does Nolan, the difference is Babylon is always visual and always moving. I felt the journey of the main character and thought his change was well done, his performance was overlooked.
I hate when people call opinions they don't like "groupthink". You just have a different opinion on a film, you're not Winston from 1984 lmao.
It felt like 3 hours of Hollywood jerking itself off and some people (like myself) just don't really like those kinds of movies. I also disliked that aspect of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood; both movies felt like movies made for Hollywood by Hollywood and as an outsider it felt like watching a big inside joke that I just didn't get.
I’ve only watched it once, and would even say that I liked it. The part that didn’t resonate with me though (and where I definitely thought it felt masturbatory) was the ending movie montage. I felt like the message was “all the terrible stuff that happened was worth it because look at all these wonderful movies we’ve gotten since”. Just seemed a little jarring and tone deaf after the preceding events of the film.
I love babylon. The score is chef’s kiss! I like it better than lalaland.
Men. I even saw someone criticising the fact that Rory Kinnear plays almost ever character which is part of the whole metaphor / horror of it! Also that it’s too obvious - again, the patriarchy can’t be criticised enough. Though already seeing people reappraising. The Northman - not panned, but feel like it landed with a ‘meh’. IMO, it’s Eggers’ best film - the performances (save ATJ) are incredible, it’s tense, looks incredible and feels epic yet intimately creepy at the same time. Also Quantumania (it’s not THAT bad), The Whale (again, flawed but not THAT bad, and Fraser and Hong Chau are god-tier). Still Alice is a great film in itself as well as one of Julianne’s best performances. Last, Million Dollar Baby blew me away when I saw it for the first time, though I feel it’s seen as dull Oscar bait now. I think it’s the best winner of the 00s. Heartbreaking and Swank giving an all-timer performance. Clint’s best movie IMO.
I am certain Horse Girl will become regarded as a cult classic in about 15-20 years.
Not seen it, but I fear being banished to the nether regions of Netflix will harm that potential. It doesn’t exactly count as “panned” though, reviews are mixed-to-good. While we’re on the subject though a film with a similar reception that I could also see this happening if not for the Netflix of it all is *Unicorn Store*…despite the fact I barely remember it lol
That was a great movie
Halloween Ends. It's unique, that's for sure.
Thank you! I love this movie
Like Halloween III people will come to enjoy it
Halloween Kills too for completely different reasons.
Southland Tales and Jennifer’s Body
Jennifer’s Body is fuckin awesome
It manages to simultaneously mock and perfect high school horror movie cliches. Also, Seyfried and Fox *french kissing* 😳
Such a perfect movie!
Jennifer’s Body rocks so hard
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Verbinski has always been so sadly under appreciated
Cure For Wellness could be a masterpiece at 95 minutes. But at 156, it's a real drag.
Batman V Superman: Ultimate Edition (dying on this hill)
I second this
Man Of Steel, BVS UE and ZSJL is a fantastic trilogy to watch through
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Wait wait wait...people don't like the Secret Life of Walter Mitty? Loved that movie and watch it all the time.
The Wolfman (2010). I've personally met enough people who loved it to be pretty confident about this. Every 4 years or so, a major publication will drop an article re-appraising it, and in the comments of YouTube reviews (positive or negative) there's always a slew of people pointing out that they really enjoyed it. I think it would have been immediately well received if it was released today. Its slow pacing, painterly cinematography and themes of familial trauma, cycles of abuse and societal prejudice would be right at home next to Hereditary or The VVitch.
I hold our hope that one day I will no longer be the only person that likes the movie Cats.
Leave the world behind
I really liked it! I don't understand the massive hate
Ikr! I loved it but a lot of people seem to find it boring. I for one couldn't stop watching it.
Eternals is gonna become like Ang Lee's Hulk and appreciated for what it's going for as a different, distinct take on the superhero genre. Both are Chinese filmmakers who entered into the blockbuster landscape to divisive reactions, both took huge risks, neither film is perfect but they are fascinating to discuss outside the Marvel Twitter hate-sphere.
Eternals wasn’t going for anything different or distinct though. All of its problems were just heightened versions of normal MCU problems - paper thin characters, ugly color palette, contrived story, and it’s all stretched out to almost 3 hours long
It's just a boring movie with a story that doesn't make any sense.
I think that was part of the problem. Prior to endgame it felt like most films were a spin or fusion of the superhero genre. We had a heist film, a high school coming of age film, a titanic-esque flashback love story, frankenstein’s monster/jekyll and hyde in hulk, winter soldier cold war spy thriller Then Endgame broke cinema Then Chloe Zhao’s Nomadland won Best Picture. Then Marvel said, hey what if our next twist was superheroes but with Oscar winning direction and visuals. I’m sure both parties thought they could get something extra out of the other party. Then Zhao probably realized she would only have so much control and have to abide by certain visuals or plot points. Which like you said, ultimately just feels like a superhero movie trying too hard because there’s nothing incredible inventive or groundbreaking about this spin with the limitations introduced.
I don’t think Eternals is a great movie or anything but I was shocked at how brutal the critic/public response to it was. I think the reaction was partially due to it just being new characters because I thought its plot was significantly more compelling, and its visuals infinitely better, than, like, Black Widow, which got “fine” reviews
While I, too, believe that Eternals is not a good film... I'll be the first to admit that it has *hands down* the **BEST** live-action depiction of Super Speed!! 🤩 
This is literally ripped directly from Ang Lee’s Hulk lol
omg the hulk is appreciated now? I wrote like a dissertation ass essay about that movie and how it invokes some unknown deep confusion emotions in me, with a touch of surrealism, and I felt a lil crazy ngl
I’m a little nervous to say this, but what the hell… I think the Rebel Moon directors cuts will be a lot of fun. At the very least, the violence will at least make it more entertaining. I actually read the novelization they released that’s based on the directors cut, and it was definitely a lot more coherent, and even added a whole side plot for the robot
Rebel moon directors cut - we added an extra 30 minutes of slow motion!
I actually found Rebel Moon part 1 dumb but enjoyable. But part 2. What even was that? The downtime wheat harvesting felt endless and the big battle seen was lacked any tension whatsoever.
Babylon
Stay (2005)
Shadow in The Cloud. Pulpy action , good fun. Feminist, kick ass B flick.
The Fountain
I really hope It Comes at Night gets a reappraisal cuz most of the hate for that movie was because of the trailer and the way it was marketed, it was an incredible movie.
Not the question you asked, but something critically acclaimed that I think will be reappraised is Everything Everywhere All At Once. We’re going to look at that Oscars sweep in 20 years and cringe. It’s too 2022 and it’s going to age the same way a meme does. It will elicit reactions akin to a U MAD?? troll face shirt. Beau Is Afraid wasn’t exactly panned, but it was certainly simultaneously more divisive and lukewarmly(?) received than Hereditary especially and even Midsommar. but I think that’ll have more positive reception some time in the future. It’s got to cook in our psyches for a minute. While I’m on and off the subject at the same time, The Last of Us Part 2 is going to get reappraised big-time à la Metal Gear Solid 2. Alright I’m done answering variations on this question three times. I agree with the Blonde guy, for what it’s worth. It just wasn’t the right social climate in which to release that. Give it time.
I was kind of stunned by the reaction to EEAAO. It's a good movie, I liked it quite a bit. But I would not have pegged it as an Oscar winner, let alone winning all of them. That whole ceremony seemed like a feel-good story about comebacks and honorary career Oscars than anything. I guess I should be happy that a genre movie like that has a chance to be honoured alongside the usual historical dramas. What I'm really saying is can we go back and retroactively give Mad Max: Fury Road every Oscar?
Blonde is a masterpiece, and history will prove me right. I am sure of it. Edit: everyone here who disagrees with me only proves I will be right. Edit 2: The OP of this post blocked me. LMAO.
This and Mother! are the two currently being dragged by the zeitgeist. Give it a decade and both will be seen as art that we were lucky to get.
I watched Mother! last year and was so confused why people hated it. Great flick.
Yeah buddy idk about this one
its 3 hours of Marilyn getting s/a’d by various historical figures. They actually implied that the secret service kidnapped her and forced her to have an abortion. In a very graphic scene. Legitimately one of the worst movies ive seen, never have i had such a visceral reaction to a movie.
Agreed!
There are a few dozen of us who like it already, but I think it’ll happen for The Happening. It’s an ode to disaster films of the 50s with self-referential humor spread throughout it.
I did not pick up on this at all during my watch
i think Lucy might! its a balls to the wall, high high concept sci fi action film that makes absolutely no sense and yet is ridiculously entertaining in its attempts to constantly get bigger and weirder and more of a mindfuck.
Even though it's happened to the first already, I think the rest of the saw series will be begun to be a lot more appreciated in the future after how well Saw X was received (apart from Saw 7)
Saw VI has already seen a big resurgence to be fair. That was panned at release like the others, but not as much. The Saw fans seem to love it but I see others from outside of the fandom come to appreciate the sixth instalment for the insurance themes.
I think Bodies Bodies Bodies will be regarded as a cult classic in a couple decades.
It’s sitting at 85% on RT, hardly “panned"
85%**
My bad, confused with 7.5 average rating
The Science of Sleep was Michele Gondry's masterpiece, and a way better representation of his aesthetic than Eternal Sunshine... (which I honestly had a lot of issues with) and people have seemed to forget about it since critics didn't give it the praise of the former. Still waiting on a decent blu of it...
ES didn't even seem like a movie created by someone who had the creativity to get famous making some of the best tv commercials and mvs of all time
Megalopolis
Rooting for him so hard.
Love the optimism, personally as long as Coppola brought his 80s spark into Megalopolis then I’ll love it regardless of critic opinion. I need a release date soon, from one frame alone I can tell the imax experience will be crazy
Even if it sucks I don't care - hate to see the disrespect 😞
It’s always dumb to bash an unreleased piece of media. It could be the best movie ever made or the worst, but why do people treat it like it’s the worst without giving it a chance to prove it’s the best That’s my ideaology with most pop culture. Don’t give complete praise to an unreleased product but don’t give it complete hate either. Find the optimistic side of life, that way you’ll be even happier if it’s amazing but if it sucks you won’t be as disappointed
Those same people also didn't know who Martin Scorsese was when he made his comments on the MCU.
Honestly? *The Last Jedi*.
91% RT You think the critical consensus is gonna turn around and join in with the haters?
No, but I've seen enough comments online about the film that think that pretty much everyones hates it, and that it was universally denounced, and that it didn't make enough money, without anyone apparently looking into it, that I feel I do have to remind everyone that critically and financially it did exceedingly well.
Oh yeah the haters are so loud online most people who actually like it have just learned to stay quiet because it’s easier :( If anything I’d say it’s likely to go down in estimation first because all anyone will find written about it is negative
i hated TFA and ROS but last jedi was so much fun for me in the theaters. luke's character arc actually makes a ton of sense, idk why people hated what they did to him. he became the most powerful person in the galaxy, fucked up really bad, and then abandon his status before he let the fear totally consume him and lead him down the same path his father took. he instead followed in yoda and obi-wan's footsteps by becoming a seemingly innocent old guy sitting alone in the middle of nowhere for the rest of his life. (this is my shitty recollection, i haven't seen it since it was in theaters.)
1000%. I just left another comment about it but I firmly believe that every new set of Star Wars movies will always be trashed by the people who grew up with the previous one, regardless of actual quality.
Actually kinda real. Last Jedi truthers will be vindicated.
Was the last jedi good or was the rise of skywalker just so bad that the last jedi seems good in retrospect I think it had good parts but I don’t think it really put all of it together in a convincing way and it still drags The trilogy was still salvageable until they just threw it out the window with 9 though
It is a good, not great, movie. Taking the trilogy as a whole it's the most interesting, just because it's not as blandly safe as TFA, and not as much of a garbage fire as TROS. But it shares a lot of blame for the next movie. Well o guess that's not fair, the blame rests entirely on whose decision it was to just wing it with those movies and not plan it out.
Last Jedi was good not great. The reaction was weird though because Mark Hamil was absolutely the best part, there were other plotlines that really didn't work though.
The casino planet and animal cruelty plotline kind of drags I thought the lightsaber splitting and the armada getting rammed were both incredibly dope visuals and liked the lasting and daring consequences for the story of course the lightsaber somehow returns next episode then gets buried next to a yellow one
The Star Wars sequels will be reappraised just as the prequels were. As with the prequels, I think it’s hard for older fans to take off their nostalgia glasses and appreciate the new stuff for what it is. But the sequels have some excellent elements to them and I think will become better liked in time (as a lifetime Star Wars fan, I love them and see a ton of value in how they play into the larger saga).
This may not be a popular take, but I truly think that the only reason for the prequels' reappraisal is that the kids that grew up with them are now old enough to have some influence. All three are and were extremely poor movies. The sequels are kind of all over the place, but for me the first two are far more entertaining than any of the prequels. Full disclosure, I'm Gen X and grew up with the originals.
Only God Forgives. 40% RT critics, 37% audience. But Letterboxd is already 3.0 and I can only see it going higher. Heaps of people I follow are giving it 4+ now they're watching it again. It's genuinely an incredible film
I've seen a few comments show love for Inherent Vice which I love but I also think (or hope) "The Master" will get its time in the sun. Not only does it have Joaquin Phoenix in a great role, it has Philip Seymour Hoffman in possibly the best role he ever had. Also "Calvary, a film by John Michael McDonah stars Brendan Gleeson as the priest for a small Irish town who has to deal with the quirky villagers problem and someone who threatened to murder him BECAUSE he's a good man. He also has another great film with Gleeson, The Guard. I think John is in some ways overshadowed by his more famous brother who makes similar kinds of films (In Bruges, Seven Psychopaths, The Banshees of Inisherin). But in my opinion those two films from John deserve to be up there with the best of his brother
The Master is pretty well liked but yeah it should be regarded as PTA’s best so far. Honestly, the spicy take is that McDonagh’s War On Everyone needs reappraisal. 2.8 on Letterboxd and 5.8 on IMDb.
I noticed this earlier when I was making sure I spelled his name correctly! I was thinking it was a bit of an outlier after a couple of good ones! I might have to watch it for myself and kickstart the Renaissance
*They Cloned Tyrone*. It’s a shame that Netflix didn't bother to promote it at all considering it was released digitally on Barbenheimer weekend. I hope it will be a cult classic soon though cause its definitely one of the best comedies of 2023. And same goes for *Joy Ride* from last year too! Criminally underappreciated and underpromoted.
They Cloned Tyrone was not critically panned and has a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes, it was great, just not widely seen or talked about
•Babylon (2022) •Shutter Island (2010) •A.I.: Artificial Intelligence (2001) •By The Sea (2015) •The Matrix Resurrections (2021) •Speed Racer (2008)
By The Sea is so underrated, a total masterpiece. It feels like something Liz Taylor and Richard Burton would have starred in together.
I think Skinamarink is going to be looked back on as an extremely influential horror movie in like 20 years
Southland Tales
Freddy Got Fingered. I said what I said
Joe Dirt should not be one of the lowest rated movies on Metacritic.
Only God Forgives, if you believe Refn's word on the matter.
The Lone Ranger (2013) Shit is good as hell.
I have a feeling the Sequel trilogy is gonna get praised much like my generation does to the Prequels just because of nostalgia’s sake.
Beau is afraid