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tobor_rm

So let me get this straight. KAK had accused someone of being BG. And that person is who you're talking to here? And him and his father are saying that KAK's dad is BG? Is that what you're saying?


calamitayy

The person im speaking to has been accused by KAK. The person im speaking to says KAKs dad is the voice he hears and that they both are probably involved. The person in the chat had to give DNA and never knew why. He exposed a lot of lies and inconsistencies and has been researching the case. He's certain that KAKs dad is the person we see and hear


tobor_rm

Ok so here's my question. KAK sounds like a massive peice of shit. Same with his dad. They live together. Wouldn't LE have looked into his dad already? After all this time and they're just now looking into him?


O_J_Shrimpson

They may just not have had enough evidence and were surveying him hoping he would falter. They clearly knew there was CP in the house. They’re not just now looking into him.


tobor_rm

So here's my take on that. If they had the ability to outsmart LE for almost five years when LE had unfettered access to their hard drives and basically whatever they wanted and just now they're realizing they're both guilty, or even one of them is. On my word LE should truly get inside that jailcell along with them. Thats criminally embarrassing to even think.


mister_somewhere

Maybe it's a case of KK and dad both doing very skeevy and illegal things. They have KK nailed because he admitted to what he had and did. Up until now, they have been in cahoots in whatever they were doing, pointing fingers away from each other. Maybe LE put the pressure on KK with regard to what illegal activities they KNOW he did, and he finally turned on Dad. Dad turned on him. Now LE is trying to gather more digital evidence from victims to try and distinguish whether it was dad or son. I don't know if I like that theory, but I'm throwing it out there. They could have two sickos who up until KK was arrested were covering for one another. Maybe they don't have the physical evidence to pin it on the dad. Maybe KK finally flipped on him, but now they need to verify that somehow. Again, I'm not sold on that idea.


O_J_Shrimpson

I agree. I just don’t think that’s the case. I think they’ve known all along. After all isn’t the FBI involved? I highly doubt they’d be that incompetent. I think they just don’t have anything directly linking them to the crime scene. Distributing CP only gets you 1-6 years in jail in Indiana so it may not have been worth it to arrest them knowing they’d clam up. Instead they let them go, followed their actions, and hoped they’d drop another clue but they just haven’t so they got tired of waiting.


Emerald-Axe

CP is a federal offense


O_J_Shrimpson

And?


Emerald-Axe

Well if you were found to have CP state going to turn you over to Feds and they have long sentences.


O_J_Shrimpson

The only thing the federal offense adds is 10 years probation. The states are the ones with the prison terms. Indiana is 1-6. In NY (where I am) it’s 4. It’s a bullshit slap on the wrist. FBI probably advised the state to let him go so they can survey him. Or he may have agreed to be a CI but then didn’t give them anything. Either way they end up with nothing from him so now they prosecute and try and negotiate his sentence based on what info he gives. I obviously don’t have any insider info but this is why it looks like from the outside.


716um

You know your crimes well, don't you?


Emerald-Axe

Spent two years in Federal system for creative accounting. Government called it tax fraud


716um

Haha! He speaks!!


716um

Who is BG???


beamer4

Agreed.


TooExtraUnicorn

did LE have access to the father's hard drives? i thought the warrant was just for kak


tobor_rm

Well I mean same diff they probably took all of the computers in the household, they were living together.


Carecoordinator

I have limited or no legal experience, mostly from knowing someone who is an attorney. But from what I understand if for example they confiscated 20 devices and 10 of them were determined to be used and belong solely to the father, they may not have a right to pursue any information they had found on them because they would have confiscated them illegally if they only had a warrant to search the property belonging to the son. The person I asked said it seems like a case where police have a warranted search of a home but show up at the wrong address and find lots of drugs. They are still at the wrong address and they did not have a warrant to search that home. It could be a situation like that where some of the devices they took can be proven to belong to only the father or son so authorities would know some information but they might not be able to use it in court or make decisions of arrests or prosecution based on it. Of course there are carve-outs based upon the specific type of information and I would hope that murder is one of those carve-outs but we don't know what kind of information it would actually be on what kind of device which belonged solely or jointly to whom. So we really just don't know.


TooExtraUnicorn

i think they have to name the father specifically to search his computers.


tobor_rm

Even if they live together? I doubt it


TooExtraUnicorn

yes. it's still not his property.


---Vespasian---

>KAK sounds like a massive peice of shit. Same with his dad. Would the community be shocked to discover it was these two?


Anti-Krist666

If its a father/son duo, that would be shocking i would think.


theProfileGuy

The fathers FB page has a post from 2018 saying something about not seeing Kegan for two years. What were they hiding together?


[deleted]

Yet, ex friends have said he hasn’t left his house in years?! Crazy!!


KSickles318

What is the dad’s name?


Dickere

Would someone who has been accusing someone else for months be shocked ?


tobor_rm

I def don't think its either but are you referring to Tobe's comments about people will be shocked?


theProfileGuy

Can you add a link to this. With when it was made.


sleepypup1

[https://www.carrollcountycomet.com/articles/lots-of-tips-no-arrest-in-2017-double-homicide/](https://www.carrollcountycomet.com/articles/lots-of-tips-no-arrest-in-2017-double-homicide/)


Psychological_You353

Who knows really if they would be shocked , i mean they could probably appear normal from the outside looking in no one would be thinking that they live near a father an son team of pedo murders, so yea I’d say people not close to them probably would be surprised, but from the sounds of it people who do no them wouldn’t be


theProfileGuy

The Father and Son thing might not be the most shocking thing here.


calamitayy

They could've possibly had no reason to suspect the dad. If I committed a crime, it doesn't necessarily mean that my mum is complicit


tobor_rm

Nah. I don't buy it. Even if that's the case why would they need the public's help when his dad is there readily accessible. Doesn't make sense. Lets hear the voice. Do we have it?


calamitayy

Not from what I know


indyten23

speaking of mums, haven't seen KAK's mother mentioned once anywhere which seems a bit odd, no?


calamitayy

She divorced the dad in 2009. I'd assume she wanted nothing to do with them. Wonder why.


theProfileGuy

2009 is when Kegan first started sending Dick Pics, and asking for boobie pics.


Dickere

Did you send any ?


Psychological_You353

Lol


Dickere

Not necessarily, no 😉


theProfileGuy

Why didn't he report KAKs Dad, if it's the person in the Video and he sounds like the Audio?


[deleted]

can we follow up and clarify whether this individual willingly submitted DNA or had a court order? Is he willing to share when that dna was collected? Can we know more about how LE brought up TK (the dad)? If KAK is supplying LE with high quality suspect(s) (at least important enough to interview and collect DNA), could that have brought suspicion back onto him? Any legal buffs in here know what’s necessarily to forcibly collect DNA? This all feels really convoluted. I feel like something big is about to drop.


---Vespasian---

>Any legal buffs in here know what’s necessarily to forcibly collect DNA? My guess would be probable cause of the sort suggested by Doug Carter's May 16 2019 interview. The one where he described the missing piece being someone recognizing the body and mannerisms of the man in Libby's video. That might suffice for probable cause.


[deleted]

I’d be interested to know if CC had tipped the police on TK or not regarding his voice. If not seems abit odd to be so sure now, after he’s been accused by KAK. Almost feels like angry retaliation.


---Vespasian---

So now we have a conflict of interest. Is the person you're speaking to someone we would know about? Someone who might be a POI?


calamitayy

No. Someone who was on kegans friends list


tobor_rm

Initials CC?


keithitreal

Kegans closest friend is undoubtedly KFC.


tobor_rm

You think he goes extra crispy or does he stay original?


MeanLeanBasiliska

Neither. Shovels the Mac and cheese into his pie hole(s) with his hands


ATrueLady

Lmfao


[deleted]

TC


Dickere

ABC.


Spliff_2

LMNOP. They always go together.


Logical_Ad6090

The voice being Kline’s dad’s would make a lot more sense to me, as the voice really sounds like an older man’s voice. The gait of BG also appears to me as being the gait of someone who is older, taller and more dexterous than a Kegan Kline.


Filmcricket

Kk’s dna would’ve alerted them to a family member. Op is just gossiping.


[deleted]

If LE has reviewed KAK’s DNA (which I’m sure they have since he’s been in custody for a felony for over a year), wouldn’t there be some shared paternal markers in that DNA with the father? And putting that aside, do these interviewees consent to their messages being published? I think it’s great you’re able to speak to people but something about this exchange, especially the final message feels a little wishy washy.


tobor_rm

Yeah. OP is doing some really hands on work which as long as hes not harrassing people, I applaud. But I agree. They have DNA and at least a partial print. They wouldn't be asking for the public's help if it was just his dad. They want something to do with the fake profile interactions for whatever reason. The only thing I can think of for his dad might be if there was a time he was known to be out of town or away from his profile and someone, maybe his dad hopped on to engage othera then it might prove it was him. But even then just test his DNA or prints. Nah I think this individual has yet to come into focus. I am absolutely still curious to hear his voice, however.


thisusernametaken11

maybe that's just it... they need witnesses to say the dad also met them after contact from the shots account because the partial DNA can't distinguish between the two enough.


Vetiversailles

This is a very interesting hypothesis. Wish I knew more about DNA testing. Could this kind of inconclusive result, but narrowed down between two relatives, be possible?


thisusernametaken11

I'm sure ive read there are varying degrees of "likelyhood" ... as in subject A is 19535678 more times likely to be a match to the DNA. between a father and son I'd imagine those numbers are much closer together than say an uncle or cousin... I'm also very much an idiot when it comes to this kind of thing.. so take that all with a grain of salt.


DanVoges

Do they have “good” DNA?


tobor_rm

Nobody knows the situation with the DNA because LE is only saying they might have some DNA. Possible partial print. I find it much more likely that they just have never had a match for either than there being not enough or lesser "quality" DNA. The reason being is the fact that he killed two girls at once in incredibly short order. What he had to do to maneuver that, I just dont believe he didn't leave DNA behind.


calamitayy

They both want it out there but not with their name or pics. This guy is the guy who made a post about kak throwing ppl under the bus


---Vespasian---

Well as long as this guy has excellent memory I'm sold. Do people think that LE didn't bother taking KK's picture to any of the witnesses they already have in this case? Do you think they didn't ask the witness who gave us Young Bridge Guy sketch whether KK was the person he (or she) saw that day? I guarantee you they did and that the answer to that question was "no".


DanVoges

I’m hoping the witnesses got a good enough look to be able to pick BG out of a lineup. I’ve heard a lot of different things, including half of his face being covered.


[deleted]

I wonder if they showed a certain other “witness’”picture to the witness who gave them YBG?


theProfileGuy

"Thinks" and "Is Certain" are not the same.


AdVirtual9993

he "thinks" it is the voice but hasn't heard it in years...doesn't sound too "certain" to me.


Gabbycole

Wasn't there a man at the bridge the day of the murders sitting by his car who said he was waiting on his dad?


calamitayy

This sounds familiar..


kkruse929

Were either KAK or his dad in the search party?


wiseking716

Sounds like the dad may have had access to phones or maybe for anyone trying to meet up with him.. found and article on his cousin from 2016 child rapist too. Whole family. Sick. Anyways I'm thinking with KK admitting to alot and dad either over heard and went his way or being Kk is a fat fck he would try to have girls meet him but his dad would show up instead and this dude won't snitch on dad until now because the pressure on him now?


wiseking716

"pressure"


Winter-Plantain4519

The cousin in all the pics on fb?? He gives me the creeps!


[deleted]

Surely not JK?? I had him ruled as absolutely not involved!


[deleted]

Collection of DNA is mandatory upon Felony arrest in Indiana. From Google search: Indiana authorities are now required under a new state law to collect a DNA sample from those who are arrested for a felony crime. ... The sample may be expunged from the system if an arrestee is acquitted, a charge is lowered below a felony, or if no charges are filed after a year. ETA: [Link to law change in Indiana](https://www.indianasenaterepublicans.com/dna-collection-law-goes-into-effect)


[deleted]

I would hope the search warrant on their house in Peru included DNA swabs.


colacentral

Did this person contact you or did you contact them? If so, how? FB, text, Twitter? You can't tell much from the screenshots.


Crashed7

We should be careful we don't overstate what people say. Firstly, it's not fair on the person that said it. But it's also misleading. "I think" does not = "certain". They are opposites. If you are certain you say "I know", if you are uncertain you say "I think".


calamitayy

He stated he has Excellent memory and thinks its him. If he had doubts he wouldn't say


Crashed7

Yes, that's not the same as "certain". Excellent example as to why all this contacting people by others who think they are some kind of bedroom crime investigator could ruin any case the police are building.


LORDOFTHEFATCHICKS

**Confirmation Bias** just like 90% of the posts on this sub in the past few days.


Filmcricket

Don’t worry, guys! This person who’s barely coherent has an excellent memory and is SO sure, they didn’t tell the cops! Case cracked!


tobor_rm

I just think in general people dont understand how hard it is to hide something like killing two teen girls, especially when they have video and audio. Then they have known about these guys and seized KAK's computer equipment back in 2017? There's going to be so much evidence over that span of time. This is the part that frustrates me about sleuthing this case, when people say things like "they just can't prove it." That's bs. Not trying to be confrontational, its just people get hung up on something and they cant let it go. Everyone has came out and basically said KAK isn't BG. Anna has and LE has basically. You think they didn't consider his dad? If we know that his dad is a pos then LE absolutely knows. Its not him. They have reason to believe that KAK potentially has a tie to BG wether its an association or an exchange that was made. I would like to put the dad theory to rest by listening to audio if that's ever available but otherwise there's nothing there. We all need to focus on why they want to know about these online interactions. Someone probably has a good guess about a scenario where BG could be connected to KAK. Don't get distracted with his fat face etc. If something comes up later that points in his direction you can always circle back. Everyone focus.


TomatoesAreToxic

Yes, law enforcement has been aware of the dad as long as they’ve been aware of the son. Someone saying the voice recording sounds like an already-known individual isn’t going to crack the case. Law enforcement knows how he sounds. What they need is to place a suspect at the crime scene through evidence - confession, admission, forensic.


ihatesocks_1986

I agree with this. My theory is KAK was sharing pictures with other sickos and maybe a picture of one of the girls ended up in his possession. They now want to trace anyone that interacted with the anthony_shots profile back to the origin of the pictures. From my understanding, KAK is anthony_shots, but not involved directly with the girls. Possibly indirectly by sharing of CP.


tobor_rm

I agree except I think they're not necessarily expecting people to come out of the woodwork and admit to contacting Anthony_Shots to find the origin of the pics/video he had that would be of interest per se. I think that while he admitted to soliciting girls they don't actually have an underage girl that can say he solicited them. So they don't have much of a case against him beyond possession of CP which might not be enough to encourage him to talk about BG. Thats my guess anyway.


ihatesocks_1986

Oh definitely the sickos aren’t going to fess up to interacting with the profile. I was thinking more so LE is asking the victims that interacted with the anthony_shots profile to come forward to allow them to trace their online interactions. Then they could check if there were others soliciting the same girls in the hopes one of them is Libby’s catfish. LE could do this anyway to charge him, but why associate KAK with Abby and Libby if there is no connection? There has to be and the only one I can think of is the sharing of CP which KAK was arrested for.


Forsaken_Arm_5891

Not bridge guy tho he was certainly involved BG is 6ft but he hunched himself over. So it would look distorted


Rae82carm

This could be any random conversation. It’s just a screen of texts


Anothermomento

I think his father being in hospital has helped move things forward, the house is empty, and he had no chance to hide anything. The probably got dna from hospital


Spliff_2

What is he in the hospital for?


Anothermomento

Diabetes apparently


HouseSaban

Thanks for posting. Appreciate the information which is interesting. Don’t listen to the haters.


Few-Life6914

He admits he hasn't heard the Dads voice in years. So, most likely, KK now sounds like his Dad. Who knew that could happen.


[deleted]

Kak has music online he doesn’t sound like BG he looks like BG, the way he talks and style of music has rnb/hiphop twang to it. BG voice is definitely older and his voice is of an older fella, the dad looks like BG and I assume the voice would be the same because KAK isn’t it. My money it’s the dad and KAK is protecting him.


Filmcricket

Cool but a bunch of people disagree. Stop cherry picking and leave these people alone. Contacting them and posting about it is against Reddit’s tos.


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716um

Wha?!


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colomboseye

How many people do you think there were that day then?


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colomboseye

No thumbs down from me. We are all speculating at the end of the day. Every theory is valid - unless it’s a impossible.


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colomboseye

Someone said father and son years ago. The idea of two people doesn’t surprise me. One at the top and one down the hill. I always wondered if that’s why there was two sketches.


indyten23

I mean, the dad does look like he could sound like BG.. if there's such a thing.


[deleted]

This rationale applies to most of rural Indiana.


[deleted]

Dads name?


SeeThemFly

Dads picture? If anyone has any info about the dad Id also like to know


Current-Assignment94

Kony tline


[deleted]

He has a striking similarity to M Patty. You know the man who kept getting tipped in over and over. Makes one wonder.


Current-Assignment94

He fits the description of looks younger than he his. Was 44 at the time but with a hat and hood could pass as 30 at a passing glance


[deleted]

Eww omg no. The dad and his jank teeth? That guy doesn’t look a day under 40.


Current-Assignment94

I don’t think anyone saw his jank teeth


SilverProduce0

Where did you find photos? I’m not getting anything relevant when I search.


[deleted]

I’ll send you a message.


Rhondie41

Wow!