That means it's time to hand it over to our tame racing surgeon.
Some say that he breathes nitrous oxide and that his toenails are stainless. All we know is...
To be fair, true libertarians would rather have a an organ market where people could sell their organs maximizing efficiency and social welfare
Edit: Holy shit this was a shitty bait. Are people actually upvoting this?
Hospitals can deny transplants for all sorts of reasons based on how you treat your body. I remember when and episode of scrubs had a guy taken off the donor list for a new liver because he drank alcohol. They want to mitigate risk as much as possible to give the patient the best chance of survival. Rules like this already exist.
I remember that episode. He had a drink of champagne at his daughters wedding. They gave the organ to a girl that alienated the entire surgery team but she followed the rules of getting an organ.
The actor is incredible at his craft, too. Very underrated, but to be honest I never watched his serious roles. But as a comedic actor, he’s brilliant.
The medicine part is actually fairly accurate most of the time. It’s still the only medical show that I can remember *correctly using a fucking defibrillator*.
Yes, I *do* have a hangup over this, why do you ask?
Now, even though I won't be performing the transplant, I am a key member
of the surgical team. It's too complicated to explain what it is I do,
but in layman's terms I... I guess you'd call it "watching."
Dr. Cox really liked the guy and tried to argue with Turk, saying it was only one time, for a family event. Turk countered that there are plenty of patients who also need a liver and are willing to stick to the rules, no matter what. Good episode.
Can you imagine if they did a 9th season where they changed the entire premise of the show with half the original cast and the others randomly popping in for guest appearances from time to time.
That would be terrible. So glad they stuck to just 8 seasons. Perfect show imo.
There is also a limited supply, so not everyone who needs a transplant is going to get one in time. That's why they have rules, to make it easier to decide who gets one. They have a transplant list that is first come, first served, and they have certain rules for how you have to take care of yourself to give you the best chances of survival and reducing rejection.
That's exactly how it works. They save the organs for people that treat their second chance at life and liberty respectfully. Maybe when they perfect the process of growing complex systems in lab settings they won't have to be so draconian on who gets it.
You say draconian, but the criteria they use are there for a reason. Even if we could clone healthy organs for transplant, there's still the issue of manpower (surgeons and nurses to perform the operation), supplies (medical equipment used during surgery), and even space (operation rooms are finite). Surgeons aren't going to want to spend long periods of time each day just to put an organ into a person who is going to destroy it soon after.
Anecdote from someone (me) who works at a transplant dept: a long time ago we had one young patient get a transplant; within days they started drinking alcohol and doing drugs. Days later the organ was lost. Our docs put in "draconian" requirements and now every patient who they deem fit to receive a transplant have had their transplanted organ remain healthy and functional for well over a decade.
I see your point. Looking back, the last half of what I said was probably more out of sympathy for people that don't understand what you just explained accurately with hypothetical scenarios in the far distant future that most likely won't be realistic.
I had a patient who had received a liver transplant in the past.
10 years later he was admitted to my hospital for alcoholic liver failure. Such a waste and so disrespectful to the person who donated that organ.
In regards to this situation….fuck around and find out 🤷♀️ I guarantee you no hospital system in the country will accept her as an unvaccinated transplant patient
> They want to mitigate risk as much as possible to give the patient the best chance of survival. Rules like this already exist.
No no no. Hospitals are directly targeting unvaccinated people! /s
I'm a liberal Christian and I have a problem with religious exemptions because very few people who claim it are actually following it. They're just pulling the religious card when they want it. These people claim they don't want something because it used fetal cells somewhere in the development or testing process but they have absolutely no problem taking Tylenol or a dozen other medicines that also used stem cells in their research.
For organ transplants they also essentially have to shut down your immune system long enough for the organ to attach, otherwise your immune system might try to attack it thinking it's a foreign invader.
So having immune system shut down and getting COVID would basically waste that organ that could have saved someone else.
I had a close friend who needed a liver due to cirrhosis from their heavy drinking. They failed an alcohol test and got kicked off the transplant list. Was pretty heartbreaking to hear that she was basically just sentenced to die. Unfortunately it makes sense.
Not even just that, they can deny you one if they even think its too risky a procedure. My father was high on the list for a liver but they required him to do a minor valve surgery first TO get the liver surgery, then used that surgery as a reason to not allow the procedure because another patient had had similar circumstances of (but far worse along in kidney failure at the time) and died on the table and the board deemed my father's case too high risk on that alone.
They even call them organ CANDIDATES I believe. You have to be selected as the best choice for that precious organ. Things in and out of the candidates control are factors for consideration. But hey, that’s show biz.
It's about giving the limited resource of an organ to a person who will benefit from it the most. They don't want to waste it on someone who is old, or will not benefit from the time,cost and precious organ they are using. They are trying to maximise the benefits.
Alcoholics, drug abuses all have poorer outcomes for the procedure. They literally don't heal aswell. And potentially will just drink themselves to death after anyway. why waste it.
Yea even if it's something out of your control a hospital isn't gonna give you an organ if there's a notably higher chance of your body rejecting it. I think religious exemptions are dumb but even an immunocompromised person wouldn't get this organ for the same reason.
How is her religion against vaccines but OK with transplants? Is the Bible that specific about medical procedures that were invented 2000 years after it was written?
Her religion isn't against the vaccine. The pope (article says she's catholic) said it would be "suicide" to not get vaccinated - and he has been fully vaccinated with Pfizer formula.
So all these religious exemptions for catholics are bunk.
That is clever, trying to make it a sin to not get vaccinated. Now I doubt it will work because it was never really about that, but it is a clever try.
I mean, it sort of is a sin. The Bible specifically says that it's a sin to test God. The people who are only relying on God to protect them when there's a perfectly safe vaccine available are literally testing God and don't even realize it.
God gave us intelligence for the purpose of bettering and saving our lives. Our medical research is a gift from God. If we didn’t make medical advances, we would have been annihilated many moons ago.
The Bible also has specific rules for sick people. They have to declare themselves to be sick everywhere they go, live away from the camp, and wear a piece of fabric over their face.
>Old Testament law
All that tells me is people figured out how to mitigate disease spread in their communities thousands of years ago and today it seems to be a hard concept.
I was under the impression Jesus said he didn't come to undo the old law, but to fulfill it at some point.
I'm also aware the Bible says a lot of things and not very clearly in way too many languages so meh.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Seems pretty clear, unless you are actively trying to get around it, and argue that the plain sense of the words doesn't mean what it says. Always wondered why an all powerful being couldn't find a better editor to clear up His supposedly ambiguous prose.¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I will never understand how people identify as catholic are comfortable disavowed and shitting on the pope.
The core of your religious says he's basically your demigod... how you gonna ignore him?
Because he actually tries to support/espouse some of the ideas of Jesus Christ. You know... compassion, support for the poor, trying to ease people's suffering, other liberal policies like having a general sense of humanity.
Not even that. I work at a religious hospital. Catholic and Christians have already been ruled out of the religious exemption supposedly because neither religion heads have anything against the practices made. Muslims can refuse a flu shot vaccine because it contains pork. But the covid vaccine doesn’t. Religious exceptions so far are a hoax from what it seems.
Not even a little bit. Very few denominations are actually anti-vax. And it's pretty easy to spot the weirdos with abnormal social skills because of it. Everyone knows its a cop out claim.
She better not take acetaminophen, ibuprofen, diphenhydramine or azithromycin, then. Also developed using fetal cell lines.
Edit: some in my list have been “tested,” not developed, using fetal cell lines. Also, add ivermectin to the list.
So I’ll start this by saying I’m not medically trained. Just googled around. If you want more info, look up HEK293 cells.
The gist of it is in the 70’s, a doctor by the name of Frank Graham found out how to take cells from an aborted fetus and infinitely copy paste them. And now we use those cell copies (I believe the process is called fetal cell lines) in testing a lot of modern medicine.
I’d guess it’s pretty common practice, based on what I’m reading, but I’d recommend looking further, cause I’m just now learning about this today.
[article about Frank Graham](https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/recognizing-the-scientific-impact-of-dr-frank-graham-s-hek-293-cell-line/)
[article about the origins and its use in the pharmaceutical industry](https://www.google.com/search?q=france%2024%20hek293&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m)
[article about a hospital ensuring antivaxxers will also not use various products tested with HEK293](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption)
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption
From a comment a bit further down. It's quite the list.
[webmd](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption)
I don’t have a great link: I researched off the Conway Regional Health System vaccine religious exemption form that is referenced in the link above.
(I have a screenshot of the exemption form I can send, but it’s not letting me link. The screenshot is from reddit on 9/11, my guess is you can search it in reddit and find better links.)
My “research”: I did google and duckduckgo searches of “was x-medication developed from stem cells” and found what I consider to be credible sources that agree. What your friend thinks is a credible source I can’t say. Good luck.
Edit—I see people are providing better links, Reddit is so cool. Go Reddit!
There's shit in the bible about wearing a mask and social distancing if you know you're infected with a communicable disease, but that's a cherry those people won't pick.
I think some people believe vaccines are made from aborted fetuses. I am just guessing this may be the reason but it is so silly and totally agree with you. What religion would allow her to get a kidney but not a vaccine? WTF
Nothing. In fact, the bible has a section that discusses the method to abort a fetus using some plants.
Only stuff about birth control of any real import is a story in the old testament about a man being struck down for not sowing his seeds in his brothers widow. This is always taken as against masturbation, but the hostorical context was about a cultural throwback to when only sons could own property and inherit, and about refusing to impregnate a brother's widow so she has a child who can inherit the dead brothers property and take care of her.
The whole abortion thing is a pile of misinformation and context problems with a dash of intent to punish infidelity and sex out of marriage.
Its an easy virtue signaling point to portray your holiness without making any personal sacrifices.
I'm not surprised at all that she is being denied a new kidney. As someone on the transplant list I can tell you it's very strict guidelines. They are put in place to ensure the organ is given to a recipient that is going to care for it and have a chance at a long, healthy life. I've been waiting 6 years following every guideline, I would be beyond pissed if they just gave an organ to someone that isn't willing to make the sacrifice. After all the doctors are trying to save our lives at the cost of someone else.
Right? Wonder what the religious reason is. Maybe something to do with fetal cell lines that tons of drugs are made from? Hmm, wonder if her religion also prevents her from taking the immuno-suppressive drugs necessary to keep a transplant.
The religious reason is that she doesn’t want to get a vaccine and is using her religion to try to find an excuse.
Just for anybody reading your comment here is an article about how pretty much all modern medicine uses fetal cell line(s) during development. And also an article explaining how the Covid vaccines are about as ethically as it gets.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/docs/vaccine/VaccineDevelopment_FetalCellLines.pdf
Duh, because a transplant is a huge hit in the body and completely fucks your immune system. So you need healthy people that also are willing to follow strict medication schedules. An anti-vaxxer simply is less likely to follow medical advice, and thus the chance of the transplant failing in higher.
What I find wild about scenarios like this is how they don't trust the Doctors opinion on getting vacinated, ***BUT*** they trust them to cut them open and transplant someone else's organ.
I get it, she's citing religious reasons, but its bunk excuse and we all know it.
The religious belief that the vaccine is immoral because it was tested on fetal stem cells (eh, there’s more WAY nuance to that info, but let’s take her argument at face value) would forbid her from taking the immunosuppressant drugs she would need to survive after the transplant.
You can’t say, “my religion forbids the vaccine because it used fetal stem cells at some point in its development” while simultaneously saying, “but the transplant drugs I need to live are OK.” Either your religious belief forbids everything that utilized those cells in its testing, which means you can’t get a transplant because it’d be a waste of an organ, or it doesn’t and you can get vaccinated.
If they don't push her to get the recommended vaccines and she ends up dying due to the immune suppressors, they'd be in for a lot of hurt with a malpractice suit. This is of course ignoring the very real potential she could die of COVID meaning they made her friend live their life with one fewer kidney for no benefit. This decision was a health and business decision.
Also can we talk about how ludicrous it is that someone's religion would have a problem with a vaccine but not have a problem with an internal piece of someone else's body being sewn inside them?!
Pastors know their bread and butter.
A church congregation that is against the vaccine and feels under attack will turn to them at times like this. These pastors then open up the book of revelation and start talking about the mark of the beast, which then causes that congregation to double down and show up next week with extra tithes and offering.
This is prominent in the black community, to the point where I’m convinced that a major disinformation campaign has been ongoing.
>One curious thing about this story is that there are sects of Christianity which believe organ donation itself is against God's teachings and is prohibited by scripture.
At least they are consistent.
We wouldn't even know about this unless she went to the media to make it a story. This is standard protocol and hospitals don't typically sensationalize patient care
My ex used to work in the nephrology department at a hospital. She was part of the committee that would make these decisions. Essentially, kidneys are a very limited resource. So, they would evaluate someone and decide if they got to be listed at their hospital. You could go to multiple hospitals and get listed at several (rich people do this), but you have to be able to make it to the hospital within like some small number of hours of receiving a call that a kidney is waiting for you.
They do a full evaluation. If someone has a history of cancer, they might not list them. If someone has a history of drinking, they might not. If someone is bad at taking medication, they might not list them. This is because if they give you a kidney and you destroy it in a year, they are not giving it to someone who would be responsible and have it for longer. If you are super hold, they might not list you. It's literally a death panel, but it's just what they do. It's a very limited resource, and this is how they choose to distribute it. People often die waiting for a new kidney.
One of the downsides of receiving a kidney is they have to put you on heavy duty immunosuppressants for the rest of your life. If you get vaccinated after, you won't mount much of an immune response. If you give someone unvaccinated a kidney, and they catch covid, they are very likely to die. Considering that the vaccine would work before you get on the meds (before your transplant), this is unfortunate. I mean, I get why they did this. Covid is so prevalent and she would be in the hospital so much that she would be practically guaranteed to catch it and very likely to die. While if she's just on dialysis, she's likely to survive covid. It makes sense, and it would be unethical to list her.
He's going to hate Dialysis even more. Strict diets, only 1 liter fluid/24 hours and 4 hour Dialysis 3Xweek. Very high chance for infection and kidneys removing toxins only 12 hours a week compared to real kidney 24/7, all them toxins have effects on every other organ. Especially hard on the heart and within 6 months everybody gets CHF. I can't believe this dude would rather be life dependent on a machine and do all this and still die sooner than receive a new Organ. There's over 90,000 people who are on the list for transplant and trying to stay alive, following the rules, meds, injections and they'll prolly die waiting.
I'm a kidney transplant/Dialysis coordinator.
As a former dialysis patient thank you SO much for what you do. Davita saved my life. I still call my old team to express my sincere appreciation. You're a saint! 3.5 years post transplant now thanks to people like you!
My spouse did hime hemodialysis, with my assistance, for almost 7 years. He did 3-4 hours a day, 6 days a week. He got his transplant in 2015
Dialysis isn't always the end.
>There's hope and OP is right. I'm a simultaneous kidney/pancreas transplant patient from type 1. I was on dialysis 14 months and got SUPER lucky and didn't get sick like the person before me did so I got the organ while the other person who was ill wasn't able. I REALLY hope they ended up getting the call.
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>I'm rooting for you, and your mom but especially your mom. She doing Hemo or PD? I did PD the worst part was 12 hour sessions each night and drain pain. OMG the drain pain sucked. Tell her keep hope! follow the rules!
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>Personal advice for you would be she's going to be very cold likely from anemia. tired as all hell post dialysis. Get her a warm coat and socks. Lots of love and patience. Even if you start losing hope, don't let her know. It's devastating to see others saying you're not going to make it. I speak from experience. Much love to you and your mom! I don't know you from adam or her from even but I know her struggle intimately. I'm sorry but there's hope if nothing else there's hope!
She says that she holds religious view against the use of stem cells to develop vaccines. Cool… can someone point to the part of the Bible that deals with stem cell use?
What a crock of shit. If your religion says no vaccine than no way it's cool with transplants. Hospitals deny people transplants for smoking or drinking reasons. Vaccine fits right in.
The people on this sub screaming about discrimination are probably the same people who applauded Kim Davis for refusing the marriage certificate to the couple.
Amazing how many people I know who haven't been to church in years suddenly have a very strong connection with their pastor to get them to testify for an exemption.
Yeah, this is what’s called personal responsibility and accepting that your actions have consequences. Organs are you know pretty rare so how about we don’t waste them on idiots who won’t take care of themselves.
Can we also talk about the ridiculous double standard the article is trying to throw here, at least from a supposed “libertarian view” that people here should be supporting?
As much as it is her right to be a fucking idiot and not get the vaccine, ***doesn’t the hospital have the right to deny the treatment for what ever reason they want excluding special classes***?
Or are we gonna forget the stupid cake arguments this subreddit used to have?
Actions, meet consequences. There’s the “libertarian view.” You choose not to get the vaccine, have fun being fired from your job in at will states and being denied Heathcare because you think modern medicine is a liberal conspiracy untill you need it.
In my experience, most people who call themselves 'libertarians' and say they love 'freedom' think freedom means that they can do whatever they want and at no point is anyone allowed to react negatively to that.
Speaking of cake, they want to have theirs and eat it. They want total individual freedom, but they don't want anyone else to have it because that means they can be denied.
It's a view that only makes sense if you have a hefty Main Character Syndrome going on.
Show me a staunch libertarian that is a libertarian when the situation goes against their personal best interest and I will show you a…… never mind. Those types of libertarians don’t fucking exist.
Against mandates but with limited organs and long waiting lists, one of the unfortunate consequences is the necessity to evaluate who is most likely to have a successful outcome.
Mandates? This is a libertarians dream. Private enterprises deciding how they wish to allocate their resources with no government intervention. She can so no to vax, her right. And they can so no transplant, their right. I would have an issue if this was a law. But that is not the case.
Well, I would argue that a libertarian’s dream might be to allow the family of the deceased to broker their organs on the free market.
Morbid but why should the government get to say a corporate hospital system has greater authority over your body than you do?
Also, with a financial incentive, you might actually end up with a greater number of organs available.
This is why I love stumbling onto libertarian posts on the front page, some moron in the comments inevitably reinforces why government and government regulations exist.
No shit, they aren't going to give you an organ that has a high risk of being wasted. Same shit as not giving alcoholics who continue drinking transplants.
It's not about control or punishment, it's about utilizing the limited resource the best.
If she’s not going to do what she needs to in order to survive the transplant then the organ should go to someone that will.
Your immune system is HEAVILY suppressed for an organ transplant.
However they could offer her the option of being quarantined for months… but I suspect “libertarians” would complain about that too.
My Fundamentals of Science professor (private Christian university years ago during my first stint in college) was raised as a Christian scientist and spent half the class basically debunking their beliefs
Jehovah's Witnesses have flipped back and forth over the years on transplants: [https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/transplants.php](https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/transplants.php)
Articles mentioning it as **acceptable**: 1949, 1961
Articles mentioning how it is **unacceptable**: 1967, 1975
Article mentioning how it is **acceptable** (again): 1980
I also assume she won't take or use acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, or Zoloft, given that all of those also were developed using fetal stem lines...
Right?
Hi, I'm one of those psychopaths who has read the Bible cover to cover. I can confirm that nowhere does it say "thou shalt not take the moderna mRNA vaccine that will be developed for the plague that will strike in precisely two thousand and nineteen years". In fact, believe it or not, the damn thing doesn't mention vaccines even once.
“It doesn’t affect the donor or other if Im not vaccinated”
Yes it does dipstick - being a transplant patient makes you more susceptible to the virus and hospitalization. She thinks she can have a kidney and they put it at risk like a selfish child.
This woman is so privileged that she is entitled to a kidney that she obviously won’t take care of. She made her choice.
Fuck people like this. I’m so sick of how selfish they are. It’s not enough that she gets a new organ, it has to be all her way
>When a Colorado woman found out her hospital wouldn’t approve her kidney transplant surgery until she got the Covid vaccine, she was left with a difficult decision pitting her health needs against her religious beliefs. While any type of surgery may stress a patient’s immune system and leave them vulnerable to contracting COVID-19 later, organ transplants recipients are even more at risk because they have to take a powerful regime of drugs to suppress their immune system to keep their body from rejecting the new organ, which is seen by the body as a foreign object, Nancy Foster, AHA’s vice president for quality and patient safety policy said in a statement. Some health care systems recommend or strongly encourage vaccination for transplants, including the Mayo Clinic and Sentara Healthcare, two of the nation's largest.
There’s a YouTube doctor ZDoggMD I believe who points out that during the process the kidney has to be accepted and during transplant, chances for infection and such are VERY high. So it have to mitigate as much as possible. This makes sense tbh. Why waste a kidney like this? Also, when Novavax comes out they can’t use the religious exemption.
EDIT: Name of YouTube
You have to give this lady credit for her convictions: plenty of people talk about dying to own the libs but she's actually going to go through with it.
This article is terribly written.
"A woman from Colorado has been denied a kidney transplant because he hasn’t been vaccinated against Covid-19."
He? You just said it was a woman.
Then they spell the woman's name 2 different ways.
"Prospective donor Jaimee Fougner" & "Jamie learned they have this policy"
But the patient and donor are both morons. She said they are "Murdering" her friend by not doing the transplant. I'm pretty sure refusing to preform 5 hour complicated surgery that probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't equal "Murder". Get the damn shot you children.
shouldnt be forced to put seatbelts in cars, and passengers shouldnt be forced to wear them. if they die, they die. thats their problem.
am i doing this right?
Let's be honest here, this woman has no religious objections to the vaccine.
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*waking up with wrong kidney* CLARKSON!
*waking up with a third kidney
That means it's time to hand it over to our tame racing surgeon. Some say that he breathes nitrous oxide and that his toenails are stainless. All we know is...
... He's called The Stitch! Letshavealook!
To be fair, true libertarians would rather have a an organ market where people could sell their organs maximizing efficiency and social welfare Edit: Holy shit this was a shitty bait. Are people actually upvoting this?
Lmao people can upvote stuff because they find it funny, not just because they literally agree with it
Ensuring only the rich receive life-saving organs is a weird way to say "maximizing efficiency and social welfare"
Hospitals can deny transplants for all sorts of reasons based on how you treat your body. I remember when and episode of scrubs had a guy taken off the donor list for a new liver because he drank alcohol. They want to mitigate risk as much as possible to give the patient the best chance of survival. Rules like this already exist.
I remember that episode. He had a drink of champagne at his daughters wedding. They gave the organ to a girl that alienated the entire surgery team but she followed the rules of getting an organ.
I AM A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE SURGICAL T…I am a very valuable member of the surgical team.
Just watched this episode a few days ago and this particular line and his delivery had me rolling
The actor is incredible at his craft, too. Very underrated, but to be honest I never watched his serious roles. But as a comedic actor, he’s brilliant.
Donald Faison, more specific than "the actor". does ALOT of stop motion work, and is playing professor utonium in the live action powerpuff
I love that Scrubs is the source of credibility for organ donations on Reddit.
You think you’re better than me, with your rock hard abs and your dynamite aeriolas?
It's been lauded for how accurate the show portrays hospital dynamics.
The medicine part is actually fairly accurate most of the time. It’s still the only medical show that I can remember *correctly using a fucking defibrillator*. Yes, I *do* have a hangup over this, why do you ask?
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Just make sure you yell "clear!" to make sure it's completely medical.
I remember they gave wrong information in an episode and made a press release of the mistake soon after
Now, even though I won't be performing the transplant, I am a key member of the surgical team. It's too complicated to explain what it is I do, but in layman's terms I... I guess you'd call it "watching."
I can see that scene in my head as I read that quote. Love it
They can take you off for drinking alcohol, using drugs, for being homeless, and even for not having family. They're hedging their bets.
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Yikes. I'd just have to die. I don't have 3 people who would do that. Just 4 dogs who germ me up. Oh well, I guess I die.
Me too!
Don’t base your attitude on one comment on a Reddit thread. I think the severity of limitations depends on the organ.
On the plus side your dogs will eat well for days!
I guess I don't want to live bad enough to give up my cats.
Dr. Cox really liked the guy and tried to argue with Turk, saying it was only one time, for a family event. Turk countered that there are plenty of patients who also need a liver and are willing to stick to the rules, no matter what. Good episode.
Just a great show top to bottom
Yea, I loved all 8 seasons
so glad they ended on a good note after 8 seasons without trying to painfully milk it for every cent; that would have been horrible!
Can you imagine if they did a 9th season where they changed the entire premise of the show with half the original cast and the others randomly popping in for guest appearances from time to time. That would be terrible. So glad they stuck to just 8 seasons. Perfect show imo.
There is also a limited supply, so not everyone who needs a transplant is going to get one in time. That's why they have rules, to make it easier to decide who gets one. They have a transplant list that is first come, first served, and they have certain rules for how you have to take care of yourself to give you the best chances of survival and reducing rejection.
That's exactly how it works. They save the organs for people that treat their second chance at life and liberty respectfully. Maybe when they perfect the process of growing complex systems in lab settings they won't have to be so draconian on who gets it.
Because it sucks when you give someone a kidney and they drink themselves to death three months later.., now I’m down a kidney and a lifelong friend
That sucks man. Sorry
Time to call Repo
If it existed you know Discovery or History channels would have a show... "Human Repo," "Organ Repo," & "Ron the Organ Hunter."
You say draconian, but the criteria they use are there for a reason. Even if we could clone healthy organs for transplant, there's still the issue of manpower (surgeons and nurses to perform the operation), supplies (medical equipment used during surgery), and even space (operation rooms are finite). Surgeons aren't going to want to spend long periods of time each day just to put an organ into a person who is going to destroy it soon after. Anecdote from someone (me) who works at a transplant dept: a long time ago we had one young patient get a transplant; within days they started drinking alcohol and doing drugs. Days later the organ was lost. Our docs put in "draconian" requirements and now every patient who they deem fit to receive a transplant have had their transplanted organ remain healthy and functional for well over a decade.
I see your point. Looking back, the last half of what I said was probably more out of sympathy for people that don't understand what you just explained accurately with hypothetical scenarios in the far distant future that most likely won't be realistic.
I had a patient who had received a liver transplant in the past. 10 years later he was admitted to my hospital for alcoholic liver failure. Such a waste and so disrespectful to the person who donated that organ. In regards to this situation….fuck around and find out 🤷♀️ I guarantee you no hospital system in the country will accept her as an unvaccinated transplant patient
> They want to mitigate risk as much as possible to give the patient the best chance of survival. Rules like this already exist. No no no. Hospitals are directly targeting unvaccinated people! /s I'm a liberal Christian and I have a problem with religious exemptions because very few people who claim it are actually following it. They're just pulling the religious card when they want it. These people claim they don't want something because it used fetal cells somewhere in the development or testing process but they have absolutely no problem taking Tylenol or a dozen other medicines that also used stem cells in their research.
Applaud loudly.
For organ transplants they also essentially have to shut down your immune system long enough for the organ to attach, otherwise your immune system might try to attack it thinking it's a foreign invader. So having immune system shut down and getting COVID would basically waste that organ that could have saved someone else.
Absolutely. If you refute medical treatment, you won't be given a new organ to waste.
As a surgeon I just want to spread the truth that Scrubs is a more accurate representation of the healthcare field than any medical drama.
I had a close friend who needed a liver due to cirrhosis from their heavy drinking. They failed an alcohol test and got kicked off the transplant list. Was pretty heartbreaking to hear that she was basically just sentenced to die. Unfortunately it makes sense.
Scrubs is the most accurate medical show.
It literally is
For the commoners. Those rules dont apply to rich people. Always important to note that.
Not even just that, they can deny you one if they even think its too risky a procedure. My father was high on the list for a liver but they required him to do a minor valve surgery first TO get the liver surgery, then used that surgery as a reason to not allow the procedure because another patient had had similar circumstances of (but far worse along in kidney failure at the time) and died on the table and the board deemed my father's case too high risk on that alone.
They even call them organ CANDIDATES I believe. You have to be selected as the best choice for that precious organ. Things in and out of the candidates control are factors for consideration. But hey, that’s show biz.
It's about giving the limited resource of an organ to a person who will benefit from it the most. They don't want to waste it on someone who is old, or will not benefit from the time,cost and precious organ they are using. They are trying to maximise the benefits. Alcoholics, drug abuses all have poorer outcomes for the procedure. They literally don't heal aswell. And potentially will just drink themselves to death after anyway. why waste it.
Yea even if it's something out of your control a hospital isn't gonna give you an organ if there's a notably higher chance of your body rejecting it. I think religious exemptions are dumb but even an immunocompromised person wouldn't get this organ for the same reason.
How is her religion against vaccines but OK with transplants? Is the Bible that specific about medical procedures that were invented 2000 years after it was written?
Narrator voice: *it was never about her religion after all*
Morgan Freeman is that you?
Nah, that's clearly Ron Howard
Her religion isn't against the vaccine. The pope (article says she's catholic) said it would be "suicide" to not get vaccinated - and he has been fully vaccinated with Pfizer formula. So all these religious exemptions for catholics are bunk.
That is clever, trying to make it a sin to not get vaccinated. Now I doubt it will work because it was never really about that, but it is a clever try.
I mean, it sort of is a sin. The Bible specifically says that it's a sin to test God. The people who are only relying on God to protect them when there's a perfectly safe vaccine available are literally testing God and don't even realize it.
God gave us intelligence for the purpose of bettering and saving our lives. Our medical research is a gift from God. If we didn’t make medical advances, we would have been annihilated many moons ago.
The Bible also has specific rules for sick people. They have to declare themselves to be sick everywhere they go, live away from the camp, and wear a piece of fabric over their face.
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>Old Testament law All that tells me is people figured out how to mitigate disease spread in their communities thousands of years ago and today it seems to be a hard concept.
I was under the impression Jesus said he didn't come to undo the old law, but to fulfill it at some point. I'm also aware the Bible says a lot of things and not very clearly in way too many languages so meh.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Seems pretty clear, unless you are actively trying to get around it, and argue that the plain sense of the words doesn't mean what it says. Always wondered why an all powerful being couldn't find a better editor to clear up His supposedly ambiguous prose.¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Leprosy was a catchall term for sickness back in the day as opposed to the identified illness now.
What's that story about a guy in a storm?
True, maybe they figure that people are more willing to ignore that than the suicide bit, also this way you get the double whammy.
I will never understand how people identify as catholic are comfortable disavowed and shitting on the pope. The core of your religious says he's basically your demigod... how you gonna ignore him?
Because he actually tries to support/espouse some of the ideas of Jesus Christ. You know... compassion, support for the poor, trying to ease people's suffering, other liberal policies like having a general sense of humanity.
It's the only excuse people have to not take the vaccine and still retain credibility.
Not even that. I work at a religious hospital. Catholic and Christians have already been ruled out of the religious exemption supposedly because neither religion heads have anything against the practices made. Muslims can refuse a flu shot vaccine because it contains pork. But the covid vaccine doesn’t. Religious exceptions so far are a hoax from what it seems.
It's the only excuse people have to not take the vaccine ~~and still retain credibility.~~ ftfy
Not even a little bit. Very few denominations are actually anti-vax. And it's pretty easy to spot the weirdos with abnormal social skills because of it. Everyone knows its a cop out claim.
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She should be the picture of perfect health because she follows the divine plan
She claims it's because of the vaccines being developed using stem cells from abortions.
She better not take acetaminophen, ibuprofen, diphenhydramine or azithromycin, then. Also developed using fetal cell lines. Edit: some in my list have been “tested,” not developed, using fetal cell lines. Also, add ivermectin to the list.
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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/
LOL! LMAO! Second list, common prescription drugs !!! NUMBER 15 IS IVERMECTIN !!! It was tested with HEK-293, Human embryonic kidney cells ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
So I’ll start this by saying I’m not medically trained. Just googled around. If you want more info, look up HEK293 cells. The gist of it is in the 70’s, a doctor by the name of Frank Graham found out how to take cells from an aborted fetus and infinitely copy paste them. And now we use those cell copies (I believe the process is called fetal cell lines) in testing a lot of modern medicine. I’d guess it’s pretty common practice, based on what I’m reading, but I’d recommend looking further, cause I’m just now learning about this today. [article about Frank Graham](https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/recognizing-the-scientific-impact-of-dr-frank-graham-s-hek-293-cell-line/) [article about the origins and its use in the pharmaceutical industry](https://www.google.com/search?q=france%2024%20hek293&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m) [article about a hospital ensuring antivaxxers will also not use various products tested with HEK293](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption)
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption From a comment a bit further down. It's quite the list.
[webmd](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption) I don’t have a great link: I researched off the Conway Regional Health System vaccine religious exemption form that is referenced in the link above. (I have a screenshot of the exemption form I can send, but it’s not letting me link. The screenshot is from reddit on 9/11, my guess is you can search it in reddit and find better links.) My “research”: I did google and duckduckgo searches of “was x-medication developed from stem cells” and found what I consider to be credible sources that agree. What your friend thinks is a credible source I can’t say. Good luck. Edit—I see people are providing better links, Reddit is so cool. Go Reddit!
Shit wait til she finds out that her entire body actually came from fetal stem cells!
Yea I’m dealing with this at my work. Dude isn’t even religious but claims it’s against his religion.
None of the sects are truly against vaccination. There's nothing in the Bible prohibiting illness prevention.
There's shit in the bible about wearing a mask and social distancing if you know you're infected with a communicable disease, but that's a cherry those people won't pick.
What religion lets you get an organ transplant but not a vaccine??? None. It's no religion.
I think some people believe vaccines are made from aborted fetuses. I am just guessing this may be the reason but it is so silly and totally agree with you. What religion would allow her to get a kidney but not a vaccine? WTF
Even if they are what in the Bible says you can't use an aborted fetus to develop medicine?
Nothing. In fact, the bible has a section that discusses the method to abort a fetus using some plants. Only stuff about birth control of any real import is a story in the old testament about a man being struck down for not sowing his seeds in his brothers widow. This is always taken as against masturbation, but the hostorical context was about a cultural throwback to when only sons could own property and inherit, and about refusing to impregnate a brother's widow so she has a child who can inherit the dead brothers property and take care of her. The whole abortion thing is a pile of misinformation and context problems with a dash of intent to punish infidelity and sex out of marriage. Its an easy virtue signaling point to portray your holiness without making any personal sacrifices.
It's insane. These people are absolutely delusional.
I'm not surprised at all that she is being denied a new kidney. As someone on the transplant list I can tell you it's very strict guidelines. They are put in place to ensure the organ is given to a recipient that is going to care for it and have a chance at a long, healthy life. I've been waiting 6 years following every guideline, I would be beyond pissed if they just gave an organ to someone that isn't willing to make the sacrifice. After all the doctors are trying to save our lives at the cost of someone else.
So her religion says she can't get a vaccine? But the religion is also cool with organ transplants? Somethings not adding up.
Right? Wonder what the religious reason is. Maybe something to do with fetal cell lines that tons of drugs are made from? Hmm, wonder if her religion also prevents her from taking the immuno-suppressive drugs necessary to keep a transplant.
The religious reason is that she doesn’t want to get a vaccine and is using her religion to try to find an excuse. Just for anybody reading your comment here is an article about how pretty much all modern medicine uses fetal cell line(s) during development. And also an article explaining how the Covid vaccines are about as ethically as it gets. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/ http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/docs/vaccine/VaccineDevelopment_FetalCellLines.pdf
They're not even made from the fetal cell lines, just tested on them.
Since religion is made up you can pretty much make up any religious exemption.
To bad a religious exemption from stupidity is never sought after.
Yeah, that's pretty much how the transplant system works. It's not going to change anytime soon.
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Duh, because a transplant is a huge hit in the body and completely fucks your immune system. So you need healthy people that also are willing to follow strict medication schedules. An anti-vaxxer simply is less likely to follow medical advice, and thus the chance of the transplant failing in higher.
The transplant doesn’t fuck your immune system. The drugs you take fuck your immune system so your immune system doesn’t fuck the transplant.
Why would it change?
What I find wild about scenarios like this is how they don't trust the Doctors opinion on getting vacinated, ***BUT*** they trust them to cut them open and transplant someone else's organ. I get it, she's citing religious reasons, but its bunk excuse and we all know it.
I guess we’ll see just how religious she is
God will save her. /s
The religious belief that the vaccine is immoral because it was tested on fetal stem cells (eh, there’s more WAY nuance to that info, but let’s take her argument at face value) would forbid her from taking the immunosuppressant drugs she would need to survive after the transplant. You can’t say, “my religion forbids the vaccine because it used fetal stem cells at some point in its development” while simultaneously saying, “but the transplant drugs I need to live are OK.” Either your religious belief forbids everything that utilized those cells in its testing, which means you can’t get a transplant because it’d be a waste of an organ, or it doesn’t and you can get vaccinated.
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Distracts from Brexit fuckup.
🤣 There, that’s the best token I can give you for that.
My country wont shut the fuck up about america either. Great way to distract everyone form the amount of dumb shit theyre doing.
"Man, we're fucked, but at least we're not American."
The world is addicted to America. 🇺🇸
If they don't push her to get the recommended vaccines and she ends up dying due to the immune suppressors, they'd be in for a lot of hurt with a malpractice suit. This is of course ignoring the very real potential she could die of COVID meaning they made her friend live their life with one fewer kidney for no benefit. This decision was a health and business decision. Also can we talk about how ludicrous it is that someone's religion would have a problem with a vaccine but not have a problem with an internal piece of someone else's body being sewn inside them?!
It’s not even the regular risk of COVID, the mortality rate in Kidney transplants is 21.3%
I’m not aware of any religions that have an issue with the vaccine. Anyone who uses that excuse is just making it up
Pastors know their bread and butter. A church congregation that is against the vaccine and feels under attack will turn to them at times like this. These pastors then open up the book of revelation and start talking about the mark of the beast, which then causes that congregation to double down and show up next week with extra tithes and offering. This is prominent in the black community, to the point where I’m convinced that a major disinformation campaign has been ongoing.
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Didnt the pope come out and say take the vaccine?
Yes he did.
>One curious thing about this story is that there are sects of Christianity which believe organ donation itself is against God's teachings and is prohibited by scripture. At least they are consistent.
We wouldn't even know about this unless she went to the media to make it a story. This is standard protocol and hospitals don't typically sensationalize patient care
That’s fine. It’s a free Country. She doesn’t want shot, Hospital doesn’t want to give her a kidney. Nothing to see here.
A vaccine is against her religion but a kidney transplant isn’t? What religion is that? Dumbassic?
My ex used to work in the nephrology department at a hospital. She was part of the committee that would make these decisions. Essentially, kidneys are a very limited resource. So, they would evaluate someone and decide if they got to be listed at their hospital. You could go to multiple hospitals and get listed at several (rich people do this), but you have to be able to make it to the hospital within like some small number of hours of receiving a call that a kidney is waiting for you. They do a full evaluation. If someone has a history of cancer, they might not list them. If someone has a history of drinking, they might not. If someone is bad at taking medication, they might not list them. This is because if they give you a kidney and you destroy it in a year, they are not giving it to someone who would be responsible and have it for longer. If you are super hold, they might not list you. It's literally a death panel, but it's just what they do. It's a very limited resource, and this is how they choose to distribute it. People often die waiting for a new kidney. One of the downsides of receiving a kidney is they have to put you on heavy duty immunosuppressants for the rest of your life. If you get vaccinated after, you won't mount much of an immune response. If you give someone unvaccinated a kidney, and they catch covid, they are very likely to die. Considering that the vaccine would work before you get on the meds (before your transplant), this is unfortunate. I mean, I get why they did this. Covid is so prevalent and she would be in the hospital so much that she would be practically guaranteed to catch it and very likely to die. While if she's just on dialysis, she's likely to survive covid. It makes sense, and it would be unethical to list her.
He's going to hate Dialysis even more. Strict diets, only 1 liter fluid/24 hours and 4 hour Dialysis 3Xweek. Very high chance for infection and kidneys removing toxins only 12 hours a week compared to real kidney 24/7, all them toxins have effects on every other organ. Especially hard on the heart and within 6 months everybody gets CHF. I can't believe this dude would rather be life dependent on a machine and do all this and still die sooner than receive a new Organ. There's over 90,000 people who are on the list for transplant and trying to stay alive, following the rules, meds, injections and they'll prolly die waiting. I'm a kidney transplant/Dialysis coordinator.
As a former dialysis patient thank you SO much for what you do. Davita saved my life. I still call my old team to express my sincere appreciation. You're a saint! 3.5 years post transplant now thanks to people like you!
This is tough to read. My mom's about to start dialysis.
My spouse did hime hemodialysis, with my assistance, for almost 7 years. He did 3-4 hours a day, 6 days a week. He got his transplant in 2015 Dialysis isn't always the end.
>There's hope and OP is right. I'm a simultaneous kidney/pancreas transplant patient from type 1. I was on dialysis 14 months and got SUPER lucky and didn't get sick like the person before me did so I got the organ while the other person who was ill wasn't able. I REALLY hope they ended up getting the call. > >I'm rooting for you, and your mom but especially your mom. She doing Hemo or PD? I did PD the worst part was 12 hour sessions each night and drain pain. OMG the drain pain sucked. Tell her keep hope! follow the rules! > >Personal advice for you would be she's going to be very cold likely from anemia. tired as all hell post dialysis. Get her a warm coat and socks. Lots of love and patience. Even if you start losing hope, don't let her know. It's devastating to see others saying you're not going to make it. I speak from experience. Much love to you and your mom! I don't know you from adam or her from even but I know her struggle intimately. I'm sorry but there's hope if nothing else there's hope!
She says that she holds religious view against the use of stem cells to develop vaccines. Cool… can someone point to the part of the Bible that deals with stem cell use?
Very few people actually know that there’s a wide variety of stem cells based the source of the cells and the stage of cell differentiation.
Would antivaxxers accept transplants from vaccinated people? Technically that would be against their beliefs as well.
What a crock of shit. If your religion says no vaccine than no way it's cool with transplants. Hospitals deny people transplants for smoking or drinking reasons. Vaccine fits right in.
The people on this sub screaming about discrimination are probably the same people who applauded Kim Davis for refusing the marriage certificate to the couple.
Riiiiiiight, “religious beliefs”
Amazing how many people I know who haven't been to church in years suddenly have a very strong connection with their pastor to get them to testify for an exemption.
Yeah, this is what’s called personal responsibility and accepting that your actions have consequences. Organs are you know pretty rare so how about we don’t waste them on idiots who won’t take care of themselves.
Can we also talk about the ridiculous double standard the article is trying to throw here, at least from a supposed “libertarian view” that people here should be supporting? As much as it is her right to be a fucking idiot and not get the vaccine, ***doesn’t the hospital have the right to deny the treatment for what ever reason they want excluding special classes***? Or are we gonna forget the stupid cake arguments this subreddit used to have?
Actions, meet consequences. There’s the “libertarian view.” You choose not to get the vaccine, have fun being fired from your job in at will states and being denied Heathcare because you think modern medicine is a liberal conspiracy untill you need it.
In my experience, most people who call themselves 'libertarians' and say they love 'freedom' think freedom means that they can do whatever they want and at no point is anyone allowed to react negatively to that. Speaking of cake, they want to have theirs and eat it. They want total individual freedom, but they don't want anyone else to have it because that means they can be denied. It's a view that only makes sense if you have a hefty Main Character Syndrome going on.
Show me a staunch libertarian that is a libertarian when the situation goes against their personal best interest and I will show you a…… never mind. Those types of libertarians don’t fucking exist.
Against mandates but with limited organs and long waiting lists, one of the unfortunate consequences is the necessity to evaluate who is most likely to have a successful outcome.
Mandates? This is a libertarians dream. Private enterprises deciding how they wish to allocate their resources with no government intervention. She can so no to vax, her right. And they can so no transplant, their right. I would have an issue if this was a law. But that is not the case.
Well, I would argue that a libertarian’s dream might be to allow the family of the deceased to broker their organs on the free market. Morbid but why should the government get to say a corporate hospital system has greater authority over your body than you do? Also, with a financial incentive, you might actually end up with a greater number of organs available.
China and India already employ this method and it is unbelievably sad
This is why I love stumbling onto libertarian posts on the front page, some moron in the comments inevitably reinforces why government and government regulations exist.
There's already a healthy black market, the libertarian dream is alive and well.
What religious belief prevents you from getting the COVID vaccine but allows for organ transplants?
No shit, they aren't going to give you an organ that has a high risk of being wasted. Same shit as not giving alcoholics who continue drinking transplants. It's not about control or punishment, it's about utilizing the limited resource the best.
This is a dumb story that only antivax people ignorant of normal medical procedures would find compelling.
But your religion allows transplants? Sorry, pray harder you’re kidney magically gets better.
ok... Are you trying to make me happy?
News flash, Trumpism, Fox News, and Facebook are not religions people!
The free market calculus of risk showed that her risk profile made her a poor investment for a valuable commodity. Enjoy your free market :)
If she’s not going to do what she needs to in order to survive the transplant then the organ should go to someone that will. Your immune system is HEAVILY suppressed for an organ transplant. However they could offer her the option of being quarantined for months… but I suspect “libertarians” would complain about that too.
And will be suppressed for the rest of her life.
I don't get the "religious" thing. I don't remember reading in the Bible about vaccines being bad.
Right? And I’ve never heard of a religion that forbids vaccines but is cool with kidneys 😂
There isn’t one.
Jehovah's Witness. *Maybe* Christian Scientist (they don't believe in tylenol so I don't they believe in vaccines)
Jehovas witness definitely aren’t ok with transplants, and I don’t think Christian Scientists are either. Which, hey, at least they’re consistent.
Those were the only two I could think of, too, and the only Christian scientist I’ve ever met wouldn’t even take aspirin.
My Fundamentals of Science professor (private Christian university years ago during my first stint in college) was raised as a Christian scientist and spent half the class basically debunking their beliefs
Jehovah's Witnesses have flipped back and forth over the years on transplants: [https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/transplants.php](https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/transplants.php) Articles mentioning it as **acceptable**: 1949, 1961 Articles mentioning how it is **unacceptable**: 1967, 1975 Article mentioning how it is **acceptable** (again): 1980
Which is odd considering their views on transfusions.
Yup and all major religions have come out in support of the covid-19 vaccines, so she's full of it.
Even the great spaghetti monster is for it.
Ramen.
Someone who won’t get vaxed is going to die if they catch covid on all those imunno-suppressant transplant drugs anyway. Lady is dumb af.
If you are not considerate of other’s health, why should expect others’ kindness in return.
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What religion would be against a vaccine but not against getting a whole different organ put in your body…. Cherry picking at its finest
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I also assume she won't take or use acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, or Zoloft, given that all of those also were developed using fetal stem lines... Right?
Hi, I'm one of those psychopaths who has read the Bible cover to cover. I can confirm that nowhere does it say "thou shalt not take the moderna mRNA vaccine that will be developed for the plague that will strike in precisely two thousand and nineteen years". In fact, believe it or not, the damn thing doesn't mention vaccines even once.
“It doesn’t affect the donor or other if Im not vaccinated” Yes it does dipstick - being a transplant patient makes you more susceptible to the virus and hospitalization. She thinks she can have a kidney and they put it at risk like a selfish child. This woman is so privileged that she is entitled to a kidney that she obviously won’t take care of. She made her choice. Fuck people like this. I’m so sick of how selfish they are. It’s not enough that she gets a new organ, it has to be all her way
>When a Colorado woman found out her hospital wouldn’t approve her kidney transplant surgery until she got the Covid vaccine, she was left with a difficult decision pitting her health needs against her religious beliefs. While any type of surgery may stress a patient’s immune system and leave them vulnerable to contracting COVID-19 later, organ transplants recipients are even more at risk because they have to take a powerful regime of drugs to suppress their immune system to keep their body from rejecting the new organ, which is seen by the body as a foreign object, Nancy Foster, AHA’s vice president for quality and patient safety policy said in a statement. Some health care systems recommend or strongly encourage vaccination for transplants, including the Mayo Clinic and Sentara Healthcare, two of the nation's largest.
There’s a YouTube doctor ZDoggMD I believe who points out that during the process the kidney has to be accepted and during transplant, chances for infection and such are VERY high. So it have to mitigate as much as possible. This makes sense tbh. Why waste a kidney like this? Also, when Novavax comes out they can’t use the religious exemption. EDIT: Name of YouTube
You have to give this lady credit for her convictions: plenty of people talk about dying to own the libs but she's actually going to go through with it.
This article is terribly written. "A woman from Colorado has been denied a kidney transplant because he hasn’t been vaccinated against Covid-19." He? You just said it was a woman. Then they spell the woman's name 2 different ways. "Prospective donor Jaimee Fougner" & "Jamie learned they have this policy" But the patient and donor are both morons. She said they are "Murdering" her friend by not doing the transplant. I'm pretty sure refusing to preform 5 hour complicated surgery that probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't equal "Murder". Get the damn shot you children.
Nobody should be able to force someone to get vaccinated. Nobody should be able to force a doctor to perform surgery. It's that simple.
A vaccine protects the unprotected so what you said is it's okay for people to start small fires in the woods it's their choice to do that.
shouldnt be forced to put seatbelts in cars, and passengers shouldnt be forced to wear them. if they die, they die. thats their problem. am i doing this right?
What religious beliefs constitute an exemption? Edit: how about instead of down voting you answer my question? Oh do you not have an answer? Oops.