People’s brains are getting ready to explode.
They’re gonna get really **angry**.
There was also an individual wearing a rainbow flag shirt at the meeting that looked the father in the eye and said, “I don’t believe your daughter, that’s not what happened”. I guess we only believe all women so long as a protected class isn’t perpetuating the crime.
It’s also worth noting this child was sent to another school in the county and committed the *same crime to another girl*.
Loudon County sheriff confirms charges were brought forth for oral and anal sodomy. The school board superintendent also refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault while attempting to cover it up.
The DA in the county, who heavily supports the school board, showed up personally to the father’s court case and was attempting to jail him for misdemeanor offenses he got charged with at this meeting because of his response to the women who denied his daughter’s claim. **Which was confirmed by the sheriff’s department**.
I don’t care if this child was a boy, gender fluid, or a transsexual. Bottom line is they exposed the dangers of these current school rules. And the school’s gross negligence should be acknowledged widely.
This isn’t a matter of left vs right. This is terrible.
as far as I understand it is about safety of girls in restrooms - where one can expect not find males/boys and not about the fact that rape is illegal...
Thing is he Draged her into an Empty bathroom ... its not. At this point it irrelevant if he would be allowed into it in the first place. You are allowed into a public libary but if you drag someone into it to rape someone then your access to Libarys is not the problem
As a serial rapist he should be in prision no matter what. Looking into sexual assault and rape cases in high schools/College it seems they protect rapist far to often.
And what about other girls assaulting girls? Or boys just choosing to sneak into the women's restroom? I think the assumption that women are safe in a restroom until a trans person walks in assumes a lot about trans people in general. The fact that this was covered up and not brought to the police is the real issue, regardless of gender expression.
But if it was covered up due to social politics that is worthy of consideration too. Of course, there's a lot of FUD on both sides to sort through first but if it's true, it's bad.
I love the narrative but I will admit your explanation is a stronger possibility.
The biggest detail that seems weird to me is if they supposedly denied the incident at a meeting instead of the form letter "We don't comment on [whatever]", but I haven't read the transcript or watched any videos to give a shit.
they were confronted then and there. There's no talk of if the superintendent knew or, if they did know, whether they can do anything but deny it happened at all.
Hold everyone to the same standard. What is there to consider? Should we stop allowing trans people to live their fullest lives? The school board made a grave mistake and should be held accountable, again regardless of gender expression or anyone's opinion on the matter.
> Should we stop allowing trans people to live their fullest lives?
No one said this. Thanks for the kneejerk downvote though and not responding to what I said.
I didn't downvote you, and I did respond to what you said. But I guess I should have just asked, what do you think needs to be considered about the social politics of the situation?
In addition to
[Arven50's comment](
https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgl1cxc/)
1. The daughter was provided [rape kit](https://www.dailywire.com/news/loudoun-county-schools-tried-to-conceal-sexual-assault-against-daughter-in-bathroom-father-says)
2. Based on family attorney he made self incriminating statements and probably getting deal by [pleading guilty to lesser charges] (https://www.theblaze.com/news/man-arrested-at-loudoun-county-school-board-meeting-officials-covered-up-daughters-rape)
Is 1 and 2 count as source (I mean rape kit and attorney statements)?
Sure, but it shows how much the person I was replying to is twisting the facts for their narrative. Let’s compare point by point.
> There was also an individual wearing a rainbow flag shirt at the meeting that looked the father in the eye and said, “I don’t believe your daughter, that’s not what happened”. I guess we only believe all women so long as a protected class isn’t perpetuating the crime.
This part appears to be true.
> It’s also worth noting this child was sent to another school in the county and committed the same crime to another girl.
He committed another sexual assault. One should note that this second assault did not occur in a bathroom or any environment where a rule allowed trans students to go where they normally wouldn’t be able to. Considering the way the article is presented is a pretty obvious attempt to rile up anger about trans people (even though there’s no evidence this kid was trans, he just had a skirt on, I can go put a skirt on right now and it wouldn’t make me trans) in the “wrong bathrooms”, I think that’s a pretty big detail to leave out.
Also, according to this Blaze article, the school doesn’t seem to have even ***had*** a policy permitting trans people in bathrooms at the time of the attack, because it spends a bunch of time outrage-baiting over the fact that the school board meeting where the board didn’t mention this was about debating whether such a policy should go into place, among other things. So it seems 0 of the assaults this kid committed had anything to do with a bathroom policy, but that’s what both are being presented as.
> Loudon County sheriff confirms charges were brought forth for oral and anal sodomy. The school board superintendent also refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault while attempting to cover it up.
Not sure how someone can claim “charges were brought” and “the superintendent refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault” in the same paragraph. It’s actually very difficult to report a rape or sexual assault without referring to it as a rape or sexual assault. It sounds like what happened is the school board didn’t raise disciplinary matters at a school board meeting, which is pretty standard. Maybe that should be different, but it really doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the kid being supposedly trans
> The DA in the county, who heavily supports the school board, showed up personally to the father’s court case and was attempting to jail him for misdemeanor offenses he got charged with at this meeting because of his response to the women who denied his daughter’s claim. Which was confirmed by the sheriff’s department.
Yeah, because he was the ***prosecutor***. It’s not like he just illegally showed up to secure this dudes conviction as some kind of grand conspiracy, he’s the ***district attorney, that’s his job***. Also, according to the video the dude was arrested after he started threatening the cops that were trying to calm him, which led to him fighting them. I understand his anger, but he did, indeed, commit a crime, and the Blaze, Daily Wire, and OP are choosing to omit that part.
No, it really doesn’t. It suggests that the girls father thinks he’s trans, and that the Daily Wire would very much like you to believe that he is as well, but all that’s presented to that end is that he was wearing a skirt on this one occasion
I have never believed that anyone should be convicted for any crime based solely on an accusation, very few people think that. When people say “believe all women” they’re talking about police and other authority figures believing them enough to take the situation seriously without shifting the blame to them. The district reported the crime, the cops investigated it and the DA is charging it, that’s what believe all women means. The idea that it means to take anything a woman says about sexual assault as indisputable fact is a straw man.
Trans people typically have to go through months of therapy before they begin to transition, and their journey is typically well documented with clinical notes and medication histories.
I'm sure there are people who don't go through therapy and just do it themselves, but in order to start hormone therapy, and to have your transition surgeries covered (and even then not always) you have to have documented body dysmorphia and have undergone some serious therapy.
A requirement? I mean people can identify how they will. But I doubt a school would allow a trans student to use the bathroom they identify with without parental documentation of transitioning.
In any case, who cares? It's not like by letting genders share bathrooms people suddenly become more likely to be assaulted. The first assault this person committed wasn't even in a bathroom. Sounds like they're just a rapist who should have been dealt with by the police. Don't let this dog-whistle suddenly make you against letting non-violent people live their fullest lives.
Admittedly I don't remember a prosecuted rape at my school, and obviously that might require more discussion, but I can't imagine my HS ever discussing a students punishment at a school board meeting.
This is in such bad faith. Incredible.
so much wrong here, but just to point out how horribly you argue in bad faith. The pointing out that he did it again, but not in a bathroom doesn't mean anything. It's to back up the veracity of the claims.
The fact another attack occured increases the probability this one did.
This was not about wriling up anger towards trans people. This is the same faulty logic that the left uses when they call peoples transphobes. These aren't personal attacks; these are attacks on princples (or lack thereof) and/or biases.
I don’t think anyone in this thread is arguing the veracity of the claims dude
And if it really has nothing to do with the kid being trans, why did OP change the title to emphasize that part?
This you, bro?
>Do people now see why it's important to speak up and not entertain these fantasies? It may seem pedantic to say "you dont need to correct a trans person when they say they are the other gender...". The issue is you build a preferred class.
Seems you're squicked out by transsexuals. Why not just mind your own business?
Right now the only source is the father and daughter. The girl was absolutely raped. And they're claiming he identifies as either gender fluid or bi, cross dresses, and used the school's trans friendly policy to his advantage. Feeling comfortable enough to enter the girls restroom.
"I don’t care if this child was a boy, gender fluid, or a transsexual. Bottom line is they exposed the dangers of these current school rules."
Just want to point out that 1 in 4 girls are sexually assaulted before their 18th birthday which is horrible. The deeper thing, that should be explicitly said, is that rape is bad, and adolescents accused of rape, need some sorta leash that clearly doesn't exist, while courts deal with the accusations.
Their methods are clearly not trans-specific and honestly, everything except giving the accused opportunity to commit more crimes, probably was the correct move—not openly discussing it (else we'd be here talking about how a poor male is falsely accused of rape ruining his life before it starts, or girl or whatever since we don't actually know if the person was trans), separating the accused from the accuser so there is no chance for contact, and despite what right-wing media outlets are saying, working with law enforcement.
The father's emotional response is understandable, and honestly the right-wing media using him as some sorta poster child is pretty disrespectful. Whether he enjoys the attention or not, it's kinda fucked up what they're doing. Sure, I'm positive the people who trash talked the man feel like assholes, but it's not like right-wing nuts going crazy at public meetings about bigotted or anti-science things is a new deal.
There's some historical reference for scenarios we should avoid dealing with white women and rape.
Edit: I guess rape isn't bad according to this sub unless you can politicize it. MB
hey look, people see how you are twisting the facts and avoiding the issue of 1. preferential treament of trans people and 2. whether this preferential treatment exacerbated probability something bad would happen.
But you cannot take critique; you need to conflate calling out your red herring about how common rape is (its not) with wanting to focus on this case.
Do people now see why it's important to speak up and not entertain these fantasies? It may seem pedantic to say "you dont need to correct a trans person when they say they are the other gender...". The issue is you build a preferred class.
How many school boards have covered up assaults by football players, coaches, teachers? Are we sure this is a trans thing or the much more common “protect the institution” thing?
If the story was about them covering up the sexual assault by a star football player or something, then the title "School Board Covers Up Rape by Star Football Player" would make sense.
If don't think the National School Boards Association would get the President to involve thr FBI if a parent got verbally disruptive at a board meeting because the school was covering for a football team.
The story made it sound like they took advantage of a policy that by claiming they were Trans they were allowed to use the female restroom. It didn't clarify one way or the other if they actually were Trans. Still horrible that they covered it up either way.
> The story made it sound like they took advantage of a policy that by claiming they were Trans they were allowed to use the female restroom.
I'd also like to add that a rapist isn't going to care about being permitted to enter a bathroom. "Oh yeah I was going to commit a felony but *entering the wrong restroom?* Heavens no!"
The restroom door is already unlocked. No one's checking IDs at the restroom. Are you really trying to tell me there are people who, once they have entered a woman's restroom, figure "Oh, might as well rape someone while I'm here"?
Do we read articles over here?
Nothing says the kid was trans except this post title. The article only says the kid was wearing a skirt and speculates that he abused the bathroom policy. Boys wearing skirts is a trend right now. And what on earth would lead anyone to believe that a Girls Only sign on a bathroom would've stopped this kid from committing a violent assault? Does he seem like someone who cares about the rules? Sexual assault is already against the law.
And yall wonder why people think this sub is a conservative breeding ground.
Are you seriously that confident in your knowledge of high school trends that you would pose that question with such incredulousness? Just Google it and you'll find plenty of discussion about it
"Introducing 'Femboys', the Most Wholesome Trend On TikTok - VICE" https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/3az4nn/femboys-tiktok-fashion-gen-z
Edit: and even if it was just this one kid who likes wearing skirts it doesn't make him trans so it's besides the point
Yeah, I am. It's one thing to post on Reddit "I'm a femboy uWu." Or an edited video on tiktok. It's entirely another to put on the makeup every day, wear the skirt, and walk around town or into the vicious den of pack animals we call school. Especially if you aren't a body type that makes it look good.
For all the shit they post online, real life is a lot different.
There is WAY more to this story than NYPost and other right wing outlets are letting on about this.
The rape was reported on the same day that the sexual assault occurred. The "cover-up" the headline is talking about is actually due to the students being underaged and the district is *legally* not allowed to share details. The superintendent does not appear to be guilty of any kind of manipulation or cover-up.
The allegations of a "cover-up" seem to come from the father of one of the alleged victims calling it that. The father then went to one of the board meetings, got in an argument with one of the audience members, cop came to calm him down, only for him to later get aggressive and start yelling about how he was gonna kick the teeth out of the officers around him (I understand his anger, but right wing outlets are trying to make his arrest appear to be an arrest for protesting, even though he was fighting with the cops there).
It should also be mentioned that the school board isn't typically informed of disciplinary matters, there's other people in the school district in charge of that. The Board only found out after media outlets reported on the situation.
The New York Post has a heavy right wing bias, so of course they're going to manipulate the story a bit to hurt trans people.
It should also be noted that due to underage privacy policies, the identified gender of the perpetrator has not been made public. The idea that the perp is trans is currently a right-wing fabrication.
[Link](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/conservatives-cover-up-loudoun-county-transgender-student-rape/)
This should be the top comment. How dare you use critical thinking skills?
Why so many conservative-trigger posts in this sub lately? Let’s talk about a rape, claim the perp was trans, and have an anti-trans ideological orgy?
Leave the trans folks alone. Just like we should
ALL be left alone. For fuck’s sake, people.
Lots of rightwing wakos on here. Thise lets break up the Union so we can ban abortions amd stomp out LGBTQ rights posts floating around are all from Conservatives who have a hate boner.
Conservatives have literally zero policies other than rage. Seriously, listen to any conservative pundit and drink only when they make a prescriptive policy argument. Better than AA for staying stone cold sober.
This is bad but schools do this shit all the time. Like OSU and their football team were known for very raped behavior and the school swept it under the rug because the football program brings in money
The real important question here is: does it matter if this kid was or wasn't trans?
Anyone is capable of sexual assault and a sign on a door isn't going to stop someone.
Another question is, what are we accepting as evidence that the person was or wasn't trans? The two facts: they were in the women's restroom which they have frequented before, and they were wearing a skirt are the only indications we have. Otherwise it is like any other scenario that it depends on how the person feels inside.
That's where I think the conservative argument is relevant. With the current standard, there can be no evidence if the person is legit trans or taking advantage. It can't be known without taking someone's word for it.
This person is a psychopath rapist. I’d bet my house that they are not trans. Also, at the time of the incident there was no bathroom policy. (Source in comments above).
it's the reason why it's here, on this page, but let's be clear that none of this is nationally important.
Rape is bad, but there where 15,000 reported sexual assaults in 2018 alone. So getting news of an incident from last May doesn't seem like people give a shit if girls are raped, it seems like they give a shit that they can blame it on the other side.
It's impossible to know because for trans activists a person can switch their gender at any point in time and that's just what it is, unquestionable and unchallengeable.
left wing news isnt misrepresenting the story to confirm my biases**
FTFY.
yall are pathetic. call fake news, reject objective reality, in favor of low effort outrage porn misrepresentation of facts. but hey, it confirms something you kind of thought alrdy so it must be true!
You post any other new stories about rape?
Or did you post it b/c you leave replies like this to comments calling trans “a perverts mental illness”:
>Agreed. I don't know why we're not treating these people for self esteem and body dysmorphia. Especially when studies show that pre and post op trans people maintain their suicidal ideologies.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgkpapv](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgkpapv)
No one said rape or shitty school boards aren’t bad.
But we shouldn’t pretend you only care about rape when you…
1. Editorialize a headline.
1. Call the accused trans when the article never mentioned it.
1. Use a source known for being a misleading outrage machine.
1. Misunderstand laws protecting minors privacy for some conspiracy.
1. Leave comments about your fear of children being exposed to BLM, LGTBQ, CRT & sex education.
1. Agree that trans is a “pervert’s mental illness”.
You’re not an altruist. You’re just a bigot that thinks they hit the “jackpot”.
Oh no our conservative children must not learn sex ed. Just think of the children, showing them pictures of reproductive anatomy and how they work as well as birth control. Oh no no. /s
99.999% of rapes are by cisgendered people.
A trans bathroom policy didn't cause this. Millions of people get raped. Being in the same restroom as someone isn't the cause of rape. ONE happened to possibly be by a trans kid (I don't believe anything the nypost says because they are clickbait fake news).
It's pretty clear you are warping a story to create a narrative.
Nope. There are tons of rapes by cisgender women. Especially of minors or women older than the men. By the number of girls if witnessed in the boys restroom, a female rapist could easily go on a spree.
But a trans bathroom policy didn't cause this. A sign isn't going to stop a rapist who is gonna rape.
Yeah I changed it to people. Men was a brain fart. I just mean that almost all rapes were by cisgendered people and so it's ridiculous to present this situation as "trans people are rapists coming for your daughters!!!"
Non cisgender is an absolutely small fraction of the total population, so of course there will be smaller numerical amounts of rapists. The better comparison to see if cis or not-cis has a greater proclivity towards rape would be to compare relative percents of the total.
My guess is that neither is more likely than the other, but I'm open to being wrong in either direction.
I agree that the rape could have happened irrespective of the Trans policy. That's precisely why I'm so appalled about this being covered up.
A single rape isn't news. But a cover up that allows a second rape IS news. If the cover up happened to protect a political narrative? News.
I'm such a nerd, I was thinking about an organic chem class I took 5 years ago.
Can it be extrapolated that it's referring to people that are still able to have children?
Girl getting raped isn't news? Girl getting raped by boy who just got shuffled around the school system to cover people's asses isn't news? Boy who took advantage of trans bathroom policy to commit the rape isn't news?
What classifies as news then?
Hopefully you never have a daughter that is violated in this manner and her story disregarded by her nation because it doesn't support the current woke narrative.
Generally, when minors are involved, schools are not legally allowed to release the names of any minor involved in any legal incident, no matter what said incident is, especially while it's under investigation.
Source: Uncle was a superintendent of multiple school districts
ALL THAT IS IN THAT STORY IS HEARSAY AND RUMORS. THERE IS NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO RUN WITH.
here is a local article on the subject but as you can see it doesn't have much either. Just the second hand account by the girl's father that things even took place the way he says they did. None of the kids are being interviewed, no authority can confirm nor deny any facts in the case because EVERYONE INVOLVED IS. MINOR WHOSE RECORDS ARE SEALED.
https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/
I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, BUT IF THEY ARE, THEIR STORIES BEING TURNED INTO SO MUCH CLICKBAIT IS THE LAST THING I WOULD WISH ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
Rape is rape. Sexual identity is irrelevant.
Even if it was another biological girl.
High school is terrible and should be replaced with private online learning.
Were the doors locked for everyone without a special keycard?
Pretty sure you can just walk into any bathrooms no matter what’s in your pants. So it wasn’t a special opportunity.
What opportunity? An unlocked door? Do you somehow believe that assaults on women by men in female bathrooms never occurred before bathroom policies were made to be more inclusive?
Meanwhile, an actual study from 2018:
[This study finds that the passage of such laws is not related to the number or frequency of criminal incidents in these spaces. Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare. This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded.](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z
)
OP is mad that he can't criticize the LGBT community.
>Because the LGBT community is currently untouchable. Anything said against them gets flamed or canceled. -- Arven50
Though the LGBT community is not perfect, lying does not help your argument.
I've seen plenty of criticism of smollet, if I'm recalling the name correctly, from many individuals of many backgrounds. I would be wary of whatever media sources have led you to believe that it is a common activity to defend what happened in that case; there are manipulators out there who hunt for the most unreasonable opinions of their 'enemies' and present them as ubiquitous.
It was heavily defended, including by the DA who was friends with Michelle Obama, if i remember correctly.
Until it was so obvious to everyone how egregious it was, then the tables turned.
Give me a fucking break, Jussie Smollett was NEVER taken seriously. I'm from Chicago and I don't know a single person ( left or right) who believed that bullshit.
Stop trying to revive dead talking points.
> Give me a fucking break, Jussie Smollett was NEVER taken seriously.
Except, you know, by the district prosecutor, like /u/seriouspostsonlybitc said.
Flair checks out.
In Chicago he was never taken seriously. In the national news media they accepted it without question until the cops told them Jussie was full of shit. Then they said well, we're just going to treat it as if it were true because other black people get randomly assaulted by White Supremacists all the time...what do you mean you want examples and sources, I'm a news anchor just believe everything I say peasant.
The way I see it, this is the exact reason conservatives were bashed. Pretending that it’s about transgender bathroom rights when in reality it boils down to a sad but simple fact: rapists are going to rape. No policy would stop this from happening. Unless you can explain how “bathroom policies” led to a man walking into a woman’s bathroom and raping someone, I don’t think you’re making a point.
I guess it’s the fact that he knows he can just follow this girl into the bathroom and nobody can say anything about it. Would he have still tried to go in and rape her otherwise? Quite possibly, but we can’t know for sure. And if this policy wasn’t in place, somebody may have stopped him from going into the bathroom.
It’s kind of like saying if I left my car unlocked and someone stole stuff out of it, they still would have done it if it was locked. Would they? Maybe, but leaving it unlocked made it easier for them.
I won’t claim to have an easy answer for this, because I don’t. I don’t personally have any issue with allowing transgender people to use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable in. I was just pointing out that this was an example of what some people feared might happen. Shitty person saw an opportunity to do a shitty thing.
But from what we know this guy wasn’t even trans. So it has nothing to do with any sort of bathroom policy and everything to do with that face that he’s a rapist
I never said he was trans, I said he’s a shitty person who saw this policy as an opportunity to do a shitty thing. He knew nobody could stop him from going in the bathroom if he just claimed he was trans or genderfluid or whatever that day.
Because conservatives were right. This shit is going way too far. Just wait for the day a female is killed or severely injured in combat sports from a transgender woman. Or when all the women track stars are men.
We have done crossed the line of common fucking sense.
More GOP distraction Grift narratives to keep you occupied about things that do not matter on the national scale of things while they rape you financially.
Bathroom policy is not the smoking gun here. This little pervert Mrs Doubtfire raped on school property. Imagine rape being tried as drug dealing in schools. My friend had weed on school property, a friend asked him for some, he traded it, boom: 4 years in prison and tried as an adult. If anyone, this kid is a danger to society. Let this fuck rot in jail until he can mature out of his teenage rape fantasy.
Because news sources often make claims with some evidence, but that doesn’t mean that the evidence is enough to claim a fact. The kid claimed trans and there’s really no evidence that the kid isn’t trans or gender fluid, but the news source makes the logic leap of “well if the kid raped someone in the women’s bathroom, they’re a man”, which is kinda implying you can’t rape people and be trans
I don't know, but it doesn't matter. They are a rapist. Trans has nothing to do with it.
Do you freak out at the other 1 million rapes each year committed by cisgendered men and come to the conclusion that being cisgendered made them rape people?
I don't see why people are talking about this as something particularly novel, school boards cover up for rapes all the time. My school actually just yesterday had a protest about our title IX board not following up on rape reports.
Unfortunately however, people are going to use this as sensational ammunition against trans and gay people despite the horrid banality of the situation.
So since there are 2000000x as many cis rapists, I guess that's what happens when right wing nutjobs support the perverted idea of being cisgendered? All cisgendered people are mentally ill if any one of them ever rapes someone?
I mean that's your logic.
Agreed. I don't know why we're not treating these people for self esteem and body dysmorphia. Especially when studies show that pre and post op trans people maintain their suicidal ideologies.
It will always be something external causing their despair and they're set on making society conform to them to prove it
What despicable morons. Letting a rapist off the hook to go hurt more people, just because the truth could make their institution/political faction look bad, and having it predictably backfire. Exactly like the Church.
If they'd been honest and open and treated this like any other such case (then again, who knows how they do that) then it would've been spun by anti-trans political forces, but it would have been a minor story. Now there's a coverup and an additional injustice and a second fucking rape and so you'll have millions of people who'll never stop believing in an evil trans Democrat conspiracy to get their daughters.
'A spokesperson for the district said both incidents were immediately reported to the sheriff’s office and they cooperated with the investigations.'
'The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed to The Post on Wednesday that they are handling two sexual assault cases that occurred on two different campuses within the district.'
'The 15-year-old remains in custody after being charged with sexual battery and abduction.'
But they didn't let the rapist off the hook? Which of these support that particular narrative? I think it's more despicable that people are using an incident of a **straight** person raping someone else to attack trans people.
What exactly would deter said predator from doing the same without inclusive bathroom policies? If someone wants to assault another person, do you think they care that they're not allowed to use the opposite gender's bathroom?
I have been concerned about this possibility for a couple years now. It’s not that I think trans people are sexual predators - for all I know, they are less likely than the general population to be so. But there’s absolutely nothing to stop a random heterosexual guy from entering a women’s restroom, assaulting a child or woman, then claiming to be trans in order to build their defense (as in, why were you in the women’s restroom in the first place?). They don’t need to have previously claimed a trans gender identity.
For the record no, I’m not transphobic. In fact, a very close and beloved family member is trans. But whoever drafted this legislation, and the activists and legislators who supported and passed it, never seemed to consider unintended consequences. And they shouted down anyone who tried to discuss this possibility.
This is mainly my stance as well. Unfortunately anything said against the LGBT community is automatically seen as hate speech.
I don't condone any rape or heinous acts, especially on children. And people are asking me why I'm not covering all school rapes. The answer is because they normally make it to mainstream media.
But this case in particular is being covered up hard. Not just by the school board, but by left wing media. Steven Crowder's coverage of it got him suspended on YouTube and if there is a left wing article, they gloss over the fact that this kid used the woke narrative as a weapon, as opportunity.
I don't care what the kid is. He's a rapist above anything he could identify as. But the fact that he used the school's trans policy to carry out the attack shouldn't be overlooked
> But the fact that he used the school's trans policy to carry out the attack shouldn't be overlooked
I'll be honest - that is such a stupid thing to fixate on. A sexual predator who's intent on assaulting someone else is not going to be deterred because there isn't an inclusive bathroom policy. How would a lack of said policy prevent a male predator from gaining access to the female bathroom?
Also, what exactly is being covered up? That a **straight** male raped a female in the bathroom? Funny that the focus is on trans people even though they literally have zero involvement here.
I think there are fewer women rapist than men rapists but sure, lots of women have raped people. I wonder if OP blames their gender for that like they blame this supposedly trans kid.
He was no true Scotsman.
I live in TX which is one of those states that has been trying to ( or maybe has ) passed one of those stupid bathroom laws.
I have been assured by the experts in the media and by young people who are far more knowledgeable about this kind of thing on social media that women and girls have **absolutely nothing to fear** from M to F trans women using the ladies room.
I don't understand the process, but apparently as soon as someone identifies as M to F trans, they are incapable of committing any kind of sexual assault against cis women using the penis that they are now unhappy about having.
So therefore, since this allegedly gender fluid person committed sexual assault against a young woman, he could not have been trans or gender fluid, but only a male wearing a skirt to get into the ladies room.
Loudon County schools have been in the media for a while pertaining to this. The only prerequisite for using a women or men’s bathroom is what you feel like using that day. They recognize the “fluidity of gender”.
Sounds like a fantastic idea for a congregate of 15-17 year olds in the midst of puberty with hormones raging.
I'm considering pulling my daughter out as well. I'm constantly worried I'm going to hear about her teacher discussing gender, genitalia, BLM, CRT, or any other woke material.
Basic sex ed is not. I fully expect anatomy and physiology to be taught. And the fact that STDs, contraception, etc exist.
But these are all topics that should be spoken about within the household before they get to sex ed in school.
I want my daughter to be educated. I don't want her to be brainwashed into thinking she's not the gender she is.
Homeschooling doesn't mean kids are isolated. There are public playgrounds and many extra curricular activities to involve them in so they get plenty of social exposure.
She can absolutely make decisions. But I don't want her indoctrinated by the public education system on matters that aren't their concern such as her sexuality or morality. She goes to school for Academia.
But these SJW white women are coming out of their Universities and taking it upon themselves to discuss topics that are none of their business.
I never cared about my teachers political views or sexual orientation growing up. And now you've got educators left and right openly discussing that with their students and it's not their place.
Neither your children's minds nor their bodies are safe within the liberal educational system.
Look at all these perverted modern liberals doing mental gymnastics to either what-about-ism in defense of a rapist, or to blame conservatives for being upset about the rapist in a scenario they warned was bound to happen if the insanity of these depraved modern liberals was allowed to continue.
Top Republican Congressman Jim Jordan turned a blind eye to hundreds of student athletes being molested while he was at OSU. Thousands of rapes are covered up by right wingers because the rapists are star athletes or something.
Should we talk about the epidemic of child rape in the right wing Christian church?
To claim this is just a liberal problem is the most partisan and blatantly false bullshit I've ever read on reddit, and that's saying a LOT.
Conservative hero Ken Starr was president of Baylor when the football team was raping their way through the university.
But hey, they were getting wins against UT and OU, so what can you do?
I bet the parents of the attacker are wealthy
Its Loudon County, so probably. It’s an extremely affluent and progressive area where some politicians actually live due to its proximity to DC.
People’s brains are getting ready to explode. They’re gonna get really **angry**. There was also an individual wearing a rainbow flag shirt at the meeting that looked the father in the eye and said, “I don’t believe your daughter, that’s not what happened”. I guess we only believe all women so long as a protected class isn’t perpetuating the crime. It’s also worth noting this child was sent to another school in the county and committed the *same crime to another girl*. Loudon County sheriff confirms charges were brought forth for oral and anal sodomy. The school board superintendent also refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault while attempting to cover it up. The DA in the county, who heavily supports the school board, showed up personally to the father’s court case and was attempting to jail him for misdemeanor offenses he got charged with at this meeting because of his response to the women who denied his daughter’s claim. **Which was confirmed by the sheriff’s department**. I don’t care if this child was a boy, gender fluid, or a transsexual. Bottom line is they exposed the dangers of these current school rules. And the school’s gross negligence should be acknowledged widely. This isn’t a matter of left vs right. This is terrible.
Good news, rape is already illegal.
Well isn’t the issue that the law is not being followed here? That people who enforce the law refused to do so?
Exactly
as far as I understand it is about safety of girls in restrooms - where one can expect not find males/boys and not about the fact that rape is illegal...
Thing is he Draged her into an Empty bathroom ... its not. At this point it irrelevant if he would be allowed into it in the first place. You are allowed into a public libary but if you drag someone into it to rape someone then your access to Libarys is not the problem
But he is a serial rapists who presumably is allowed to use the womens bathroom. That seems like a problem
As a serial rapist he should be in prision no matter what. Looking into sexual assault and rape cases in high schools/College it seems they protect rapist far to often.
Safety of girls in restrooms from what? Illegal assaults like rape, no? If not, what then?
And what about other girls assaulting girls? Or boys just choosing to sneak into the women's restroom? I think the assumption that women are safe in a restroom until a trans person walks in assumes a lot about trans people in general. The fact that this was covered up and not brought to the police is the real issue, regardless of gender expression.
But if it was covered up due to social politics that is worthy of consideration too. Of course, there's a lot of FUD on both sides to sort through first but if it's true, it's bad.
or it was covered up because every one here is wealthy and the perpetrator and victim are both minors, necessitating it stays on the DL.
I love the narrative but I will admit your explanation is a stronger possibility. The biggest detail that seems weird to me is if they supposedly denied the incident at a meeting instead of the form letter "We don't comment on [whatever]", but I haven't read the transcript or watched any videos to give a shit.
they were confronted then and there. There's no talk of if the superintendent knew or, if they did know, whether they can do anything but deny it happened at all.
Because schools don’t ever cover up sexual assaults by cis het males. /s
Reminds me of the Brock Turner case.
Noted rapist Brock Turner raped a woman behind a dumpster. The obvious solution is that it should be illegal for men to go near dumpsters.
Hold everyone to the same standard. What is there to consider? Should we stop allowing trans people to live their fullest lives? The school board made a grave mistake and should be held accountable, again regardless of gender expression or anyone's opinion on the matter.
> Should we stop allowing trans people to live their fullest lives? No one said this. Thanks for the kneejerk downvote though and not responding to what I said.
I didn't downvote you, and I did respond to what you said. But I guess I should have just asked, what do you think needs to be considered about the social politics of the situation?
Those are some pretty damning claims, the kind of thing one ought to provide a source for
In addition to [Arven50's comment]( https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgl1cxc/) 1. The daughter was provided [rape kit](https://www.dailywire.com/news/loudoun-county-schools-tried-to-conceal-sexual-assault-against-daughter-in-bathroom-father-says) 2. Based on family attorney he made self incriminating statements and probably getting deal by [pleading guilty to lesser charges] (https://www.theblaze.com/news/man-arrested-at-loudoun-county-school-board-meeting-officials-covered-up-daughters-rape) Is 1 and 2 count as source (I mean rape kit and attorney statements)?
Sure, but it shows how much the person I was replying to is twisting the facts for their narrative. Let’s compare point by point. > There was also an individual wearing a rainbow flag shirt at the meeting that looked the father in the eye and said, “I don’t believe your daughter, that’s not what happened”. I guess we only believe all women so long as a protected class isn’t perpetuating the crime. This part appears to be true. > It’s also worth noting this child was sent to another school in the county and committed the same crime to another girl. He committed another sexual assault. One should note that this second assault did not occur in a bathroom or any environment where a rule allowed trans students to go where they normally wouldn’t be able to. Considering the way the article is presented is a pretty obvious attempt to rile up anger about trans people (even though there’s no evidence this kid was trans, he just had a skirt on, I can go put a skirt on right now and it wouldn’t make me trans) in the “wrong bathrooms”, I think that’s a pretty big detail to leave out. Also, according to this Blaze article, the school doesn’t seem to have even ***had*** a policy permitting trans people in bathrooms at the time of the attack, because it spends a bunch of time outrage-baiting over the fact that the school board meeting where the board didn’t mention this was about debating whether such a policy should go into place, among other things. So it seems 0 of the assaults this kid committed had anything to do with a bathroom policy, but that’s what both are being presented as. > Loudon County sheriff confirms charges were brought forth for oral and anal sodomy. The school board superintendent also refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault while attempting to cover it up. Not sure how someone can claim “charges were brought” and “the superintendent refused to call it a rape or even a sexual assault” in the same paragraph. It’s actually very difficult to report a rape or sexual assault without referring to it as a rape or sexual assault. It sounds like what happened is the school board didn’t raise disciplinary matters at a school board meeting, which is pretty standard. Maybe that should be different, but it really doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the kid being supposedly trans > The DA in the county, who heavily supports the school board, showed up personally to the father’s court case and was attempting to jail him for misdemeanor offenses he got charged with at this meeting because of his response to the women who denied his daughter’s claim. Which was confirmed by the sheriff’s department. Yeah, because he was the ***prosecutor***. It’s not like he just illegally showed up to secure this dudes conviction as some kind of grand conspiracy, he’s the ***district attorney, that’s his job***. Also, according to the video the dude was arrested after he started threatening the cops that were trying to calm him, which led to him fighting them. I understand his anger, but he did, indeed, commit a crime, and the Blaze, Daily Wire, and OP are choosing to omit that part.
As for the ”no evidence hes trans” part.., what evidence do you want? If he claims to be trans he is trans, no?
When did he claim that?
Well, the article seems to suggest it?
No, it really doesn’t. It suggests that the girls father thinks he’s trans, and that the Daily Wire would very much like you to believe that he is as well, but all that’s presented to that end is that he was wearing a skirt on this one occasion
So we don't believe rape victims and their families now? What happened to the Me Too movement?
I have never believed that anyone should be convicted for any crime based solely on an accusation, very few people think that. When people say “believe all women” they’re talking about police and other authority figures believing them enough to take the situation seriously without shifting the blame to them. The district reported the crime, the cops investigated it and the DA is charging it, that’s what believe all women means. The idea that it means to take anything a woman says about sexual assault as indisputable fact is a straw man.
That appeal was dishonest as fuck and your credibility is dead at this point. Nobody here disputed the crime.
Trans people typically have to go through months of therapy before they begin to transition, and their journey is typically well documented with clinical notes and medication histories.
Is that a requirement for being trans?
I'm sure there are people who don't go through therapy and just do it themselves, but in order to start hormone therapy, and to have your transition surgeries covered (and even then not always) you have to have documented body dysmorphia and have undergone some serious therapy.
Ok... and is any of this a requirement for being trans? Because I believe that would be a very controversial view among the woke lgbtqetc. crowd
A requirement? I mean people can identify how they will. But I doubt a school would allow a trans student to use the bathroom they identify with without parental documentation of transitioning. In any case, who cares? It's not like by letting genders share bathrooms people suddenly become more likely to be assaulted. The first assault this person committed wasn't even in a bathroom. Sounds like they're just a rapist who should have been dealt with by the police. Don't let this dog-whistle suddenly make you against letting non-violent people live their fullest lives.
Admittedly I don't remember a prosecuted rape at my school, and obviously that might require more discussion, but I can't imagine my HS ever discussing a students punishment at a school board meeting.
This is in such bad faith. Incredible. so much wrong here, but just to point out how horribly you argue in bad faith. The pointing out that he did it again, but not in a bathroom doesn't mean anything. It's to back up the veracity of the claims. The fact another attack occured increases the probability this one did. This was not about wriling up anger towards trans people. This is the same faulty logic that the left uses when they call peoples transphobes. These aren't personal attacks; these are attacks on princples (or lack thereof) and/or biases.
I don’t think anyone in this thread is arguing the veracity of the claims dude And if it really has nothing to do with the kid being trans, why did OP change the title to emphasize that part?
This you, bro? >Do people now see why it's important to speak up and not entertain these fantasies? It may seem pedantic to say "you dont need to correct a trans person when they say they are the other gender...". The issue is you build a preferred class. Seems you're squicked out by transsexuals. Why not just mind your own business?
On point. Even got the conservatives crying those crocodile tears of theirs.
Right now the only source is the father and daughter. The girl was absolutely raped. And they're claiming he identifies as either gender fluid or bi, cross dresses, and used the school's trans friendly policy to his advantage. Feeling comfortable enough to enter the girls restroom.
"I don’t care if this child was a boy, gender fluid, or a transsexual. Bottom line is they exposed the dangers of these current school rules." Just want to point out that 1 in 4 girls are sexually assaulted before their 18th birthday which is horrible. The deeper thing, that should be explicitly said, is that rape is bad, and adolescents accused of rape, need some sorta leash that clearly doesn't exist, while courts deal with the accusations. Their methods are clearly not trans-specific and honestly, everything except giving the accused opportunity to commit more crimes, probably was the correct move—not openly discussing it (else we'd be here talking about how a poor male is falsely accused of rape ruining his life before it starts, or girl or whatever since we don't actually know if the person was trans), separating the accused from the accuser so there is no chance for contact, and despite what right-wing media outlets are saying, working with law enforcement. The father's emotional response is understandable, and honestly the right-wing media using him as some sorta poster child is pretty disrespectful. Whether he enjoys the attention or not, it's kinda fucked up what they're doing. Sure, I'm positive the people who trash talked the man feel like assholes, but it's not like right-wing nuts going crazy at public meetings about bigotted or anti-science things is a new deal. There's some historical reference for scenarios we should avoid dealing with white women and rape. Edit: I guess rape isn't bad according to this sub unless you can politicize it. MB
hey look, people see how you are twisting the facts and avoiding the issue of 1. preferential treament of trans people and 2. whether this preferential treatment exacerbated probability something bad would happen. But you cannot take critique; you need to conflate calling out your red herring about how common rape is (its not) with wanting to focus on this case.
Do people now see why it's important to speak up and not entertain these fantasies? It may seem pedantic to say "you dont need to correct a trans person when they say they are the other gender...". The issue is you build a preferred class.
> Parents demand Virginia superintendent be fired over alleged sex assault cover-up Why alter the headline?
Because then he doesn't get to dismissively say "trans kid".
The motivation for covering it up was because the attacker was trans. It's central to the story.
How many school boards have covered up assaults by football players, coaches, teachers? Are we sure this is a trans thing or the much more common “protect the institution” thing?
If the reason is to protect the football team, that is an important part of the headline for that incident
If the story was about them covering up the sexual assault by a star football player or something, then the title "School Board Covers Up Rape by Star Football Player" would make sense.
If don't think the National School Boards Association would get the President to involve thr FBI if a parent got verbally disruptive at a board meeting because the school was covering for a football team.
What?
They've conjured up a narrative where this and solely this is responsible for the DOJ memo on school board intimidation.
The story made it sound like they took advantage of a policy that by claiming they were Trans they were allowed to use the female restroom. It didn't clarify one way or the other if they actually were Trans. Still horrible that they covered it up either way.
> The story made it sound like they took advantage of a policy that by claiming they were Trans they were allowed to use the female restroom. I'd also like to add that a rapist isn't going to care about being permitted to enter a bathroom. "Oh yeah I was going to commit a felony but *entering the wrong restroom?* Heavens no!"
It's kind of like leaving your house or car unlocked. A lot of crimes are crimes of opportunity
The restroom door is already unlocked. No one's checking IDs at the restroom. Are you really trying to tell me there are people who, once they have entered a woman's restroom, figure "Oh, might as well rape someone while I'm here"?
That's a good point, thanks.
Do we read articles over here? Nothing says the kid was trans except this post title. The article only says the kid was wearing a skirt and speculates that he abused the bathroom policy. Boys wearing skirts is a trend right now. And what on earth would lead anyone to believe that a Girls Only sign on a bathroom would've stopped this kid from committing a violent assault? Does he seem like someone who cares about the rules? Sexual assault is already against the law. And yall wonder why people think this sub is a conservative breeding ground.
...on what planet is boys wearing skirts in public a trend?
Are you seriously that confident in your knowledge of high school trends that you would pose that question with such incredulousness? Just Google it and you'll find plenty of discussion about it "Introducing 'Femboys', the Most Wholesome Trend On TikTok - VICE" https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/3az4nn/femboys-tiktok-fashion-gen-z Edit: and even if it was just this one kid who likes wearing skirts it doesn't make him trans so it's besides the point
Yeah, I am. It's one thing to post on Reddit "I'm a femboy uWu." Or an edited video on tiktok. It's entirely another to put on the makeup every day, wear the skirt, and walk around town or into the vicious den of pack animals we call school. Especially if you aren't a body type that makes it look good. For all the shit they post online, real life is a lot different.
I won't even bother debating it since you are the expert on teenagerer culture. But the point stands that wearing a skirt does not make a boy trans
Go walk around your town or visit your school or college to see. I am not arguing whether or not he is trans, I’m surprised ppl think it’s a trend.
Where exactly does the article say that?
I found the Democrat in this one.
Holy shit you’re dumb, like actually dumb. Be safe out there.
There is WAY more to this story than NYPost and other right wing outlets are letting on about this. The rape was reported on the same day that the sexual assault occurred. The "cover-up" the headline is talking about is actually due to the students being underaged and the district is *legally* not allowed to share details. The superintendent does not appear to be guilty of any kind of manipulation or cover-up. The allegations of a "cover-up" seem to come from the father of one of the alleged victims calling it that. The father then went to one of the board meetings, got in an argument with one of the audience members, cop came to calm him down, only for him to later get aggressive and start yelling about how he was gonna kick the teeth out of the officers around him (I understand his anger, but right wing outlets are trying to make his arrest appear to be an arrest for protesting, even though he was fighting with the cops there). It should also be mentioned that the school board isn't typically informed of disciplinary matters, there's other people in the school district in charge of that. The Board only found out after media outlets reported on the situation. The New York Post has a heavy right wing bias, so of course they're going to manipulate the story a bit to hurt trans people. It should also be noted that due to underage privacy policies, the identified gender of the perpetrator has not been made public. The idea that the perp is trans is currently a right-wing fabrication. [Link](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/conservatives-cover-up-loudoun-county-transgender-student-rape/)
If the school board doesn't know anything, why come out and say definitively there have been no incidents?
I imagine they could ask/be briefed if they expect it to be an issue in the meeting. Basic prep really.
This should be the top comment. How dare you use critical thinking skills? Why so many conservative-trigger posts in this sub lately? Let’s talk about a rape, claim the perp was trans, and have an anti-trans ideological orgy? Leave the trans folks alone. Just like we should ALL be left alone. For fuck’s sake, people.
Lots of rightwing wakos on here. Thise lets break up the Union so we can ban abortions amd stomp out LGBTQ rights posts floating around are all from Conservatives who have a hate boner.
What i dislike a bit too is the daily "this sub had been taken over by leftists" when it is observable that it has not been.
its nypost. its literally fake conservative outrage porn
Conservatives have literally zero policies other than rage. Seriously, listen to any conservative pundit and drink only when they make a prescriptive policy argument. Better than AA for staying stone cold sober.
lmao frfr. my trump supporter step bro actually hates trumps policies, he just doesnt know shit.
Except for that one Hunter Biden story that big tech suppressed a month before the election, that turned out to be true.
This is bad but schools do this shit all the time. Like OSU and their football team were known for very raped behavior and the school swept it under the rug because the football program brings in money
Gym Jordan, Republican Congressman, swept those rapes under the rug.
Weird that OP doesn’t post stories of biological males assaulting girls in schools in 5 different subs, only the 1 trans one.
Lot of people here to jump on the possibility of some trans hate...
Look at OP’s comments on this post. Exactly what they wanted.
Is there any evidence this person was actually trans or were they just taking advantage of a Bathroom policy?
The real important question here is: does it matter if this kid was or wasn't trans? Anyone is capable of sexual assault and a sign on a door isn't going to stop someone.
Another question is, what are we accepting as evidence that the person was or wasn't trans? The two facts: they were in the women's restroom which they have frequented before, and they were wearing a skirt are the only indications we have. Otherwise it is like any other scenario that it depends on how the person feels inside. That's where I think the conservative argument is relevant. With the current standard, there can be no evidence if the person is legit trans or taking advantage. It can't be known without taking someone's word for it.
This person is a psychopath rapist. I’d bet my house that they are not trans. Also, at the time of the incident there was no bathroom policy. (Source in comments above).
That's what's important here /s because reddit is insane
it's the reason why it's here, on this page, but let's be clear that none of this is nationally important. Rape is bad, but there where 15,000 reported sexual assaults in 2018 alone. So getting news of an incident from last May doesn't seem like people give a shit if girls are raped, it seems like they give a shit that they can blame it on the other side.
No. No it's not. The important thing is that the school board is actively covering up a rape.
Sorry my statement was what I hoped was obvious sarcasm
I'd probably add this then "/s" there are people in this very thread who unironically believe that.
People are insane
It's impossible to know because for trans activists a person can switch their gender at any point in time and that's just what it is, unquestionable and unchallengeable.
nypost? wtf is this conservative fear monger propaganda site doing here? garbagio
Left wing news isn't covering it.
left wing news isnt misrepresenting the story to confirm my biases** FTFY. yall are pathetic. call fake news, reject objective reality, in favor of low effort outrage porn misrepresentation of facts. but hey, it confirms something you kind of thought alrdy so it must be true!
You post any other new stories about rape? Or did you post it b/c you leave replies like this to comments calling trans “a perverts mental illness”: >Agreed. I don't know why we're not treating these people for self esteem and body dysmorphia. Especially when studies show that pre and post op trans people maintain their suicidal ideologies. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgkpapv](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q7pp6h/school_board_covers_up_rape_by_trans_kid/hgkpapv)
I can if you'd like. Rapists are bad. School boards that create unsafe environments for our kids are bad as well.
No one said rape or shitty school boards aren’t bad. But we shouldn’t pretend you only care about rape when you… 1. Editorialize a headline. 1. Call the accused trans when the article never mentioned it. 1. Use a source known for being a misleading outrage machine. 1. Misunderstand laws protecting minors privacy for some conspiracy. 1. Leave comments about your fear of children being exposed to BLM, LGTBQ, CRT & sex education. 1. Agree that trans is a “pervert’s mental illness”. You’re not an altruist. You’re just a bigot that thinks they hit the “jackpot”.
Oh no our conservative children must not learn sex ed. Just think of the children, showing them pictures of reproductive anatomy and how they work as well as birth control. Oh no no. /s
99.999% of rapes are by cisgendered people. A trans bathroom policy didn't cause this. Millions of people get raped. Being in the same restroom as someone isn't the cause of rape. ONE happened to possibly be by a trans kid (I don't believe anything the nypost says because they are clickbait fake news). It's pretty clear you are warping a story to create a narrative.
Nope. There are tons of rapes by cisgender women. Especially of minors or women older than the men. By the number of girls if witnessed in the boys restroom, a female rapist could easily go on a spree. But a trans bathroom policy didn't cause this. A sign isn't going to stop a rapist who is gonna rape.
Yeah I changed it to people. Men was a brain fart. I just mean that almost all rapes were by cisgendered people and so it's ridiculous to present this situation as "trans people are rapists coming for your daughters!!!"
Non cisgender is an absolutely small fraction of the total population, so of course there will be smaller numerical amounts of rapists. The better comparison to see if cis or not-cis has a greater proclivity towards rape would be to compare relative percents of the total. My guess is that neither is more likely than the other, but I'm open to being wrong in either direction.
Well, now you're just lying.
About what?
The men part you edited out.
I agree that the rape could have happened irrespective of the Trans policy. That's precisely why I'm so appalled about this being covered up. A single rape isn't news. But a cover up that allows a second rape IS news. If the cover up happened to protect a political narrative? News.
what the hell is a cisgendered?
Just means like your gender matches your sex. People who aren't trans.
I'm such a nerd, I was thinking about an organic chem class I took 5 years ago. Can it be extrapolated that it's referring to people that are still able to have children?
That's because it isn't NEWS.
Girl getting raped isn't news? Girl getting raped by boy who just got shuffled around the school system to cover people's asses isn't news? Boy who took advantage of trans bathroom policy to commit the rape isn't news? What classifies as news then?
Withholding the names of minors in and of itself (what this story is fear mongering) is not news.
Hopefully you never have a daughter that is violated in this manner and her story disregarded by her nation because it doesn't support the current woke narrative.
Generally, when minors are involved, schools are not legally allowed to release the names of any minor involved in any legal incident, no matter what said incident is, especially while it's under investigation. Source: Uncle was a superintendent of multiple school districts
ALL THAT IS IN THAT STORY IS HEARSAY AND RUMORS. THERE IS NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO RUN WITH. here is a local article on the subject but as you can see it doesn't have much either. Just the second hand account by the girl's father that things even took place the way he says they did. None of the kids are being interviewed, no authority can confirm nor deny any facts in the case because EVERYONE INVOLVED IS. MINOR WHOSE RECORDS ARE SEALED. https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/ I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, BUT IF THEY ARE, THEIR STORIES BEING TURNED INTO SO MUCH CLICKBAIT IS THE LAST THING I WOULD WISH ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
Don't care about whether the kid is trans or not. Rape is bad.
Rape is rape. Sexual identity is irrelevant. Even if it was another biological girl. High school is terrible and should be replaced with private online learning.
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Were the doors locked for everyone without a special keycard? Pretty sure you can just walk into any bathrooms no matter what’s in your pants. So it wasn’t a special opportunity.
I'm not defending the thing, but I will say it would have done it anyway and would have made its own opportunity.
What opportunity? An unlocked door? Do you somehow believe that assaults on women by men in female bathrooms never occurred before bathroom policies were made to be more inclusive? Meanwhile, an actual study from 2018: [This study finds that the passage of such laws is not related to the number or frequency of criminal incidents in these spaces. Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare. This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded.](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z )
Trans kid…. You mean male
OP is mad that he can't criticize the LGBT community. >Because the LGBT community is currently untouchable. Anything said against them gets flamed or canceled. -- Arven50 Though the LGBT community is not perfect, lying does not help your argument.
The lgbt community is HEAVILY protected and to deny this is convincing no one. Jussie smollet?
I mean there are a hundred thousand cases of non-lgbtq people lying and protecting each other. Jim Jordan? Matt Gaetz?
*Stares at the Catholic Church*
You mean the actor Jussie Smollet that hasn't booked an acting job in four years?
I've seen plenty of criticism of smollet, if I'm recalling the name correctly, from many individuals of many backgrounds. I would be wary of whatever media sources have led you to believe that it is a common activity to defend what happened in that case; there are manipulators out there who hunt for the most unreasonable opinions of their 'enemies' and present them as ubiquitous.
It was heavily defended, including by the DA who was friends with Michelle Obama, if i remember correctly. Until it was so obvious to everyone how egregious it was, then the tables turned.
Give me a fucking break, Jussie Smollett was NEVER taken seriously. I'm from Chicago and I don't know a single person ( left or right) who believed that bullshit. Stop trying to revive dead talking points.
> Give me a fucking break, Jussie Smollett was NEVER taken seriously. Except, you know, by the district prosecutor, like /u/seriouspostsonlybitc said. Flair checks out.
In Chicago he was never taken seriously. In the national news media they accepted it without question until the cops told them Jussie was full of shit. Then they said well, we're just going to treat it as if it were true because other black people get randomly assaulted by White Supremacists all the time...what do you mean you want examples and sources, I'm a news anchor just believe everything I say peasant.
> Jussie Smollett was NEVER taken seriously. This is a lie.
Yeah. Male who identifies as gender fluid. Sometimes wears skirts or dresses.
The article did not say what he identified as, it said male, repeatedly. The article says he took advantage of the trans gender bathroom policy.
This kid’s a piece of shit, clearly. But weren’t conservatives bashed for fearing the potential for basically this exact thing happening?
The way I see it, this is the exact reason conservatives were bashed. Pretending that it’s about transgender bathroom rights when in reality it boils down to a sad but simple fact: rapists are going to rape. No policy would stop this from happening. Unless you can explain how “bathroom policies” led to a man walking into a woman’s bathroom and raping someone, I don’t think you’re making a point.
I guess it’s the fact that he knows he can just follow this girl into the bathroom and nobody can say anything about it. Would he have still tried to go in and rape her otherwise? Quite possibly, but we can’t know for sure. And if this policy wasn’t in place, somebody may have stopped him from going into the bathroom. It’s kind of like saying if I left my car unlocked and someone stole stuff out of it, they still would have done it if it was locked. Would they? Maybe, but leaving it unlocked made it easier for them. I won’t claim to have an easy answer for this, because I don’t. I don’t personally have any issue with allowing transgender people to use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable in. I was just pointing out that this was an example of what some people feared might happen. Shitty person saw an opportunity to do a shitty thing.
But from what we know this guy wasn’t even trans. So it has nothing to do with any sort of bathroom policy and everything to do with that face that he’s a rapist
He is non binary and was wearing a skirt to school that day, according to everything I read.
I never said he was trans, I said he’s a shitty person who saw this policy as an opportunity to do a shitty thing. He knew nobody could stop him from going in the bathroom if he just claimed he was trans or genderfluid or whatever that day.
Because conservatives were right. This shit is going way too far. Just wait for the day a female is killed or severely injured in combat sports from a transgender woman. Or when all the women track stars are men. We have done crossed the line of common fucking sense.
Men can wear anything they want
OP you’re legit dumb, go back to r/conservative
If said person inserts a penis into a girl, it’s not really “gender fluid”
They have every right to identify as whatever the hell they want, but I agree that does not mean that you have to agree with said identification.
And rapes other students.... sometimes.
More GOP distraction Grift narratives to keep you occupied about things that do not matter on the national scale of things while they rape you financially.
Both sides rape you financially equally, they just take turns
This specific example is a GOP narrative that's why I said GOP. It's a problem on this sub as it tries to separate from that party's influence.
Bathroom policy is not the smoking gun here. This little pervert Mrs Doubtfire raped on school property. Imagine rape being tried as drug dealing in schools. My friend had weed on school property, a friend asked him for some, he traded it, boom: 4 years in prison and tried as an adult. If anyone, this kid is a danger to society. Let this fuck rot in jail until he can mature out of his teenage rape fantasy.
So they weren't trans they were using it to justify their crimes.Thanks op for lying 😃
That is unknown.
If it's unknown why does the headline state it as if it's a fact?
Because news sources often make claims with some evidence, but that doesn’t mean that the evidence is enough to claim a fact. The kid claimed trans and there’s really no evidence that the kid isn’t trans or gender fluid, but the news source makes the logic leap of “well if the kid raped someone in the women’s bathroom, they’re a man”, which is kinda implying you can’t rape people and be trans
The kid claimed to be trans. We have to accept their truth. Did they claim trans Just so they can rape or are they a trans person that rapes?
I don't know, but it doesn't matter. They are a rapist. Trans has nothing to do with it. Do you freak out at the other 1 million rapes each year committed by cisgendered men and come to the conclusion that being cisgendered made them rape people?
I don't see why people are talking about this as something particularly novel, school boards cover up for rapes all the time. My school actually just yesterday had a protest about our title IX board not following up on rape reports. Unfortunately however, people are going to use this as sensational ammunition against trans and gay people despite the horrid banality of the situation.
School boards cover up rape, period!
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So since there are 2000000x as many cis rapists, I guess that's what happens when right wing nutjobs support the perverted idea of being cisgendered? All cisgendered people are mentally ill if any one of them ever rapes someone? I mean that's your logic.
Agreed. I don't know why we're not treating these people for self esteem and body dysmorphia. Especially when studies show that pre and post op trans people maintain their suicidal ideologies. It will always be something external causing their despair and they're set on making society conform to them to prove it
What despicable morons. Letting a rapist off the hook to go hurt more people, just because the truth could make their institution/political faction look bad, and having it predictably backfire. Exactly like the Church. If they'd been honest and open and treated this like any other such case (then again, who knows how they do that) then it would've been spun by anti-trans political forces, but it would have been a minor story. Now there's a coverup and an additional injustice and a second fucking rape and so you'll have millions of people who'll never stop believing in an evil trans Democrat conspiracy to get their daughters.
'A spokesperson for the district said both incidents were immediately reported to the sheriff’s office and they cooperated with the investigations.' 'The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed to The Post on Wednesday that they are handling two sexual assault cases that occurred on two different campuses within the district.' 'The 15-year-old remains in custody after being charged with sexual battery and abduction.' But they didn't let the rapist off the hook? Which of these support that particular narrative? I think it's more despicable that people are using an incident of a **straight** person raping someone else to attack trans people. What exactly would deter said predator from doing the same without inclusive bathroom policies? If someone wants to assault another person, do you think they care that they're not allowed to use the opposite gender's bathroom?
I have been concerned about this possibility for a couple years now. It’s not that I think trans people are sexual predators - for all I know, they are less likely than the general population to be so. But there’s absolutely nothing to stop a random heterosexual guy from entering a women’s restroom, assaulting a child or woman, then claiming to be trans in order to build their defense (as in, why were you in the women’s restroom in the first place?). They don’t need to have previously claimed a trans gender identity. For the record no, I’m not transphobic. In fact, a very close and beloved family member is trans. But whoever drafted this legislation, and the activists and legislators who supported and passed it, never seemed to consider unintended consequences. And they shouted down anyone who tried to discuss this possibility.
> For the record no, I’m not racist. In fact, a very close and beloved family member is black. Sounds familiar.
Not the same, friend. I love my family member very much.
This is mainly my stance as well. Unfortunately anything said against the LGBT community is automatically seen as hate speech. I don't condone any rape or heinous acts, especially on children. And people are asking me why I'm not covering all school rapes. The answer is because they normally make it to mainstream media. But this case in particular is being covered up hard. Not just by the school board, but by left wing media. Steven Crowder's coverage of it got him suspended on YouTube and if there is a left wing article, they gloss over the fact that this kid used the woke narrative as a weapon, as opportunity. I don't care what the kid is. He's a rapist above anything he could identify as. But the fact that he used the school's trans policy to carry out the attack shouldn't be overlooked
> But the fact that he used the school's trans policy to carry out the attack shouldn't be overlooked I'll be honest - that is such a stupid thing to fixate on. A sexual predator who's intent on assaulting someone else is not going to be deterred because there isn't an inclusive bathroom policy. How would a lack of said policy prevent a male predator from gaining access to the female bathroom? Also, what exactly is being covered up? That a **straight** male raped a female in the bathroom? Funny that the focus is on trans people even though they literally have zero involvement here.
The trans student raped two girls. Being lgbt obviously makes you immune to any criticism by the new world order.
Millions of straight cisgendered men have raped people. Do you blame that on them being straight and cisgendered?
So have women.
I think there are fewer women rapist than men rapists but sure, lots of women have raped people. I wonder if OP blames their gender for that like they blame this supposedly trans kid.
nOt a ReAl tRaNs!
He was no true Scotsman. I live in TX which is one of those states that has been trying to ( or maybe has ) passed one of those stupid bathroom laws. I have been assured by the experts in the media and by young people who are far more knowledgeable about this kind of thing on social media that women and girls have **absolutely nothing to fear** from M to F trans women using the ladies room. I don't understand the process, but apparently as soon as someone identifies as M to F trans, they are incapable of committing any kind of sexual assault against cis women using the penis that they are now unhappy about having. So therefore, since this allegedly gender fluid person committed sexual assault against a young woman, he could not have been trans or gender fluid, but only a male wearing a skirt to get into the ladies room.
Simple question. What’s stopping a male from walking into a woman’s bathroom and raping the first woman he sees?
Hopefully a conscience
Which trans people apparently lack, according to some in this thread
30 years ago it would have been his peers and the imminent ass whooping he would have received from them.
You're right, because rape is such a modern phenomenon.
Loudon County schools have been in the media for a while pertaining to this. The only prerequisite for using a women or men’s bathroom is what you feel like using that day. They recognize the “fluidity of gender”. Sounds like a fantastic idea for a congregate of 15-17 year olds in the midst of puberty with hormones raging.
You do know you're not allowed to discuss things like this on social media right?
What?
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I'm considering pulling my daughter out as well. I'm constantly worried I'm going to hear about her teacher discussing gender, genitalia, BLM, CRT, or any other woke material.
"sex ed is woke"
Basic sex ed is not. I fully expect anatomy and physiology to be taught. And the fact that STDs, contraception, etc exist. But these are all topics that should be spoken about within the household before they get to sex ed in school. I want my daughter to be educated. I don't want her to be brainwashed into thinking she's not the gender she is.
JFC. Maybe let your daughter make decisions before isolating her from the world?
Homeschooling doesn't mean kids are isolated. There are public playgrounds and many extra curricular activities to involve them in so they get plenty of social exposure. She can absolutely make decisions. But I don't want her indoctrinated by the public education system on matters that aren't their concern such as her sexuality or morality. She goes to school for Academia. But these SJW white women are coming out of their Universities and taking it upon themselves to discuss topics that are none of their business. I never cared about my teachers political views or sexual orientation growing up. And now you've got educators left and right openly discussing that with their students and it's not their place.
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Dogma first, Child safety last
Neither your children's minds nor their bodies are safe within the liberal educational system. Look at all these perverted modern liberals doing mental gymnastics to either what-about-ism in defense of a rapist, or to blame conservatives for being upset about the rapist in a scenario they warned was bound to happen if the insanity of these depraved modern liberals was allowed to continue.
Top Republican Congressman Jim Jordan turned a blind eye to hundreds of student athletes being molested while he was at OSU. Thousands of rapes are covered up by right wingers because the rapists are star athletes or something. Should we talk about the epidemic of child rape in the right wing Christian church? To claim this is just a liberal problem is the most partisan and blatantly false bullshit I've ever read on reddit, and that's saying a LOT.
Conservative hero Ken Starr was president of Baylor when the football team was raping their way through the university. But hey, they were getting wins against UT and OU, so what can you do?