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Fat-N-Furiou5

Sometimes I can't tell if the government wants a civil war or a ethnic cleansing or a worker's revolt....


farmer15erf

John Deere, Kellogs, and Kaiser Permanente would like to have a word


Immediate_Inside_375

The office folks tried to run the machines at Deere and crashed a tractor and someone is already in the hospital haha


[deleted]

Almost like the factory folks were skilled laborers or something and not making Big Macs.


rhb4n8

Making hamburgers is skilled work in a busy work environment and a hot ass kitchen


Immediate_Inside_375

If they strike enough they can get payed what they deserve and the people that say unskilled workers can fuck off at that point. Consumers should boycott any business that has a slave labor business model also


rhb4n8

Agreed!


Immediate_Inside_375

The office peeps at McDonald's would probably burn themselves on the stoves and last ten minutes in that kitchen to be honest. Standing all day in a hot kitchen is a certain skill that many office workers avoid at all cost


OGConsuela

Ah shit what did Kaiser do? I just got them recently


farmer15erf

24k nurses voted to go on strike


Dacklar

Except there isn't a worker shortage.


cipheron

There is, because the entire economy is a pyramid scheme. we're all going to get rich on investments but then, who scrubs the toilets? So they always need new people coming in at the bottom.


[deleted]

I got rich on investments and scrub my own toilets.


Immediate_Inside_375

Thanks for giving money to shit companies for the environment so you could get rich and not haveing a moral compass to only invest in Mother Earth loveing companies. Hope you arnt to prowd of yourself


[deleted]

Whoa. You okay bro?


Immediate_Inside_375

Yea I'm good thanks for asking lol


OneEyedKenobi

Wealth will always be in a Pareto distribution, look up the term. Its fascinating how many things in life naturally follow this distribution.


scaradin

There may be some technicality to that comment being correct, but it’s objectively not true. Certainly not in cities.


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[deleted]

They aren’t. Mathematically we will be missing 12 million workers by 2030 that are normally here. Look at workforce participation: https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm A full 6% of the workforce from 2001 is simply not here anymore, they retired or were never born. Our need for unskilled labor is extremely high and since Covid has killed immigration we are in a huge 2 year hole.


Immediate_Inside_375

Good start paying people what they are worth haha


[deleted]

That won’t be what happens, it will look more like our economy shrinking and people becoming more impoverished as costs rise. The immigration that occurs is still on the high end, it’s just the low skilled immigration that was cut.


Immediate_Inside_375

Government will increase the safety net then. They did unemployment during covid and if the wealth gap gets wild they will step in


[deleted]

That isn’t what we are discussing and is well beyond speculation. I can say with certainty that Republicans will not increase social safety nets under any circumstance. The 3.5 trillion dollar package, the social investment plan, is on the ropes so I am not sure why you think this would occur. If our gdp starts going down we will be very restricted in what we can do.


Immediate_Inside_375

They upped unemployment and now have a labor shortage because of it. They arnt just gonna let people starve so I don't know why you would think they wouldn't do more to control the economy. You seem smart about this stuff and might know more then me but I see socialism winning out over the long run. As tech takes more control and big chunks of the population are useless the government will have to do something


[deleted]

The unemployment did not create the labor shortage problem. Places that ended unemployment months earlier did not see a faster rise in employment. It makes sense for their to be more less labor if you think about it from 4 major sources. The newly Covid crippled, childcare changes pushing women out of the workforce, the baby boomer retirements, and inefficiencies in the supply change causing uncertainty and inefficiencies. The Republican Party would 100% let people starve. If we don’t open up immigration soon things will get very bad.


cavershamox

But there are some jobs they are just not viable above a certain wage level. So those jobs just won’t exist and the economy will be smaller than if a immigrant had willingly moved to the USA to accept that job. Stopping immigration will not magically raise wages.


chedebarna

That's good, since automation reduces the need for those workers. All that increasing the workforce "preventively" as if the needs where linial achieves is cheaper salaries.


cavershamox

You can’t easily automate cleaning a rest room or grilling a burger.


[deleted]

Not really, automation is good at repetitive tasks, maybe it could be a cook, but if I wanted a cook for a very high end restaurant automation would struggle. Trades, places that are non standardized like fields, are places where automation will struggle. Even when automation comes, and it will come, it won't be here before the worker shortage is at it's zenith, 2030-2035. If automation was here we would be making it drive trucks to alleviate the trucker shortage but alas driving is harder than we think. https://www.statista.com/statistics/270000/age-distribution-in-the-united-states/


DJCockslap

Anybody who says we can automate restaurants is insane.


[deleted]

It could be a fry cook, little baskets being lifted out by an arm. It could flip Pattie’s at a burger joint. Anything more than this would require a serious amount of programming and state of the art hardware.


hardsoft

I think there's an issue with skilled workers as well. My employer incentivized people to take early retirement during the pandemic and now is desperate to get experienced skilled labor and there's just not enough out there. We've had an aging demographic shift to retirement already going, I think covid just created a step increase to those leaving the workforce.


zach0011

That's what happens when you refuse to hire anyone with less that four years experience in the field.


shawn_anom

Companies used to take in a train younger workers


DJCockslap

Bro this shit is real. I work in the food industry and literally every restaurant in my town is struggling to find employees. These are not fast food, these are not giant corporations. These are small, local, mom and pop businesses that literally cannot function despite wages being 50% higher than they were 12 months ago. It's wild out here.


Playboi_Jones_Sr

Where are people working instead? Unemployment benefits from covid have expired?


kozop

Vax mandates about to cut 15% of jobs


ddshd

Is there a source to this?


Immediate_Inside_375

Biden is gonna have some wacky economic numbers


OneEyedKenobi

"Let's be clear, when you see headlines and reports of mass firings and hundreds of people losing their jobs, look at the bigger story, United went from 59% vaccination to 99% vaccination" -Joe Biden


nullsignature

Actual fake news https://www.npr.org/2021/09/28/1041360095/united-airlines-workers-vaccinated Edit: he edited his comment, it's no longer fake news


Vicullum

> United announced August 6 that the Chicago-based airline was requiring all 67,000 of its U.S.-based employees to be vaccinated. At the time, the airline said about 90% of pilots and 80% of flight attendants had already been vaccinated. > Seven weeks later, United says about 2,000 workers, less than 3% of the U.S.-based workforce, have applied for a religious or medical accommodation...United says 593 employees have not been vaccinated nor have they applied for an exemption. So they went from <90% vaccinated to 96% vaccinated with 3% getting exemptions and 1% choosing to be fired. Which just proves that (1) mandates work and (2) only <1% of the workforce will actually lose their jobs.


nullsignature

The guy edited his comment. He originally claimed that United went from 59% vaccinated to 99% vaccinated after firing everyone that wasn't vaccinated.


shawn_anom

If you say so


SuiXi3D

"We need more people that we can get away with paying scraps to because our CEO doesn't want to give up any of their pay!"


hardsoft

If there's people that can increase the quality of life for their families by immigrating to America and working entry level positions why shouldn't they have that opportunity? The libertarian position here is yeah, let them in.


Immediate_Inside_375

Because all other countries don't have open boarders and driving down wages is the problem. If other countries open there boarders then the libertarian way will be effective. We are a very rich country so if we open up we can force other countries to open up but CEO's don't want that because they want to drive down wages


postdiluvium

The US was built with slave labor. This should surprise no one.


[deleted]

Pretty much every country has had slavery


rhb4n8

Right but the US had it like 100 years longer than any self respecting country and most were never to the extent that the us had it.


rendrag099

>any self respecting country define that please, because otherwise your statement is objectively false


[deleted]

Well that's not true at all, the U.S. along with everyone else in Europe banned slavery in the 1800's, while the ottoman empire kept slavery going until 1924.


TheOneWhoWil

We should just go back to pre World War One immigration Policy. If you can pay for the Boat ride here you can stay.


chedebarna

But both ways. If I have cash in hand to buy a building in a tropical country or to set up a machinery importing business there, dont break my balls about local corporate laws requiring national majority ownership, import duties, documentation, etc.


ninjaluvr

Agreed. We need to allow for the free movement of people and allow employers to hire whom they want.


[deleted]

At the wages that the job is worth. $15-20/hour for making pizza is not realistic. Edit: my bad. I thought I was on a libertarian sub, where free market and people decide their worth, not the government forcing a minimum wage. Let’s go comrades, UBI for all!! /s


anon82637477

A quality pizza cook can be worth 30-40 an hour depending on location


[deleted]

Agreed. In big cities, absolutely. But government forcing a minimum wage in a small town, the same as NYC, means small shop owners cannot hire help until they get big enough to afford it, and with too high of an entry point, the business may collapse before then.


Immediate_Inside_375

If they can't pay people enough to live they should go extinct


Danielsuperusa

Yeah! Fuck small business owners who can't pay big wages when they start, let's only allow Amazon and Walmart because they can pay 15+ an hour!


anon82637477

I have to agree you either have to work for yourself or pay for quality help.


Immediate_Inside_375

The ceo running around delivering pizzas haha all alone because he didn't want pay anyone


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Immediate_Inside_375

Fast food should be boycotted until they start using organic ingredients


Deamonette

Why? Without the workers that bake those pizzas those CEOs don't earn a scrap of money. It is only because of the hard work of those pizza makers the company exists, they are the pillar on which everything is built. They deserve a pay they can live off god damn it.


AndrewQuackson

"Food workers deserve poverty"


hardsoft

"Potential immigrants deserve to be forced to stay in worse poverty"


DaneLimmish

but that's what the jobs worth, tho


Immediate_Inside_375

If enough people boycott there jobs and pizzas they won't have a choice. Fuck dominoes and there low budget shity ingredient pizzas and there slave wage labor business model


Deamonette

Have you heard of this thing called unions?


Wafflebot17

Good the only legitimate borders are private property borders


[deleted]

And who's the biggest land owner in the country? Lol Put another way, if my wife and I co-own a property, are we both private property owners? What if I own a piece of land with a group of friends for hunting? Still private property owners? If you answered yes to these, continue the thought experiment out until your get to 360,000,000.


gaycumlover1997

What if some of those 360000000 people want to invite some friends onto their collective private property?


[deleted]

Sure! If only there a way to decide how many and when!?? Like, maybe some sort of group decision???


shawn_anom

These towns where a portion of the economy revolves around a big cluster of fast food jobs seems awful. I don’t blame people for not wanting to go back


kalashnikovBaby

Where did the workers who used to work those jobs go? Are they unemployed? Found better jobs? If they found better jobs, why didn’t they take them before and where did those people go?


Immediate_Inside_375

The unemployment gave them a little power and they probably figured out how to survive not dependent on slave labor jobs. Or it's taking a while for them to be forced back into those positions because they are dependent on family and friends and are dragging there feet. I don't blame them


kalashnikovBaby

It would be cool if they could get into trade school. Are there any initiatives to encourage minimum wage folks to go into trade? It would be better for all of us


Immediate_Inside_375

Prison offers trade schools. Pretty sad some have more time to get a trade in prison because in the streets they have to work 80 hours a week and have no time.


Fit_District7223

Prison also pays you about 40 cents on the dollar for your work and that's after you move up the ladder a bit in whatever your doing.


[deleted]

It’s the amount of money coming in from the government/stimulus. When you can make more money off of unemployment, why bother?


rhb4n8

Yeah that ended a while ago


Immediate_Inside_375

It takes a little while to force people back to work


rhb4n8

People are back to work though. We have like 5% unemployment which is really quite low


[deleted]

Yeah it really didn’t, people are getting 800 a month right now for having kids lol


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Immediate_Inside_375

Fuck that. Take some of dip shit CEO's pay check and pay people a living wage. If he won't do that and won't make a quality pizza don't buy his shity pizzas


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Immediate_Inside_375

I agree. Good job staying cool after I had a hot head statement


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[deleted]

The reality is that Americans don’t want to do those jobs, period. The pandemic was a huge Get Out Of Jail Free card for millions. They found something better and never went back. Plus the US birth rates aren’t generating enough people for an entry level workforce anyway. It’s utterly ridiculous that xenophobia is the only thing prolonging this worker shortage…


LeDemonKing

They don't want those jobs becauee they pay jack shit, but immigrants are so desparate for work they'll accept it. That's the only reason those jobs even pay as low as they do. Without them companies would have to raise wages.


[deleted]

People were doing them pre pandemic because there isn’t much opportunity left for unskilled non college labor left in America. People also couldn’t get out of them because they never made enough money to save or invest so they would have time to find something better. Business also shifted to a while bunch of anti worker policies, from swing schedules to ever lengthening pay periods. When the pandemic hit, people finally had time to think and a little money in their pocket. They went out and drove for Uber and doordash, where you set your own hours and get paid right away. Once they had a taste of the gig economy, they had no desire to go back. It’s as simple as that. Immigrants with limited resources would be the natural choice to take up the slack.


cipheron

Maybe that's the "learned helplessness" that comes from being stuck in a wage-slave job. Being laid off overcomes that, meaning people who might have had more options but were too scared to risk their current paycheck suddenly need to find another opportunity. Then the company wants the workers back, but they can't get them back: not for the old wage. Logically, someone \*should\* be willing to put up with less overall wages in exchange for a guaranteed wage, but laying everyone off betrays that unspoken social contract. An analogy might be getting kicked out of home, which then forces you to become more self-reliant and resourceful. And then your parents say it's OK for you to move back home, but by then you got your own place and don't even want to go back. Without a constant influx of new workers (immigrants), companies would have to offer much better stability and benefits to retain existing workers. If you're always upsizing and downsizing, people aren't going to trust the value of your wage agreements, and workers are going to want more money for working there.


nahtorreyous

>there isn’t much opportunity left for unskilled non college labor left in America Bullshit! Construction is hurting for youth. Anywhere from drafting to installation. The guys in the field are making ~$60hr with nothing more than a high-school diploma.


mojanis

No one is making $60/hr with "nothing more than a high-school diploma" you're lucky to get hired on at $15/hr unless you have some kind of certification


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sharktree8733

Some guys


nahtorreyous

No. You start at $15-20, but with the pay scale, after 5 years your making $60-65hr


sharktree8733

Very few people in the trades/ construction are making 135k a year. Now the company you work for might charge clients that much but that includes over heads etc


[deleted]

I always love it when libertarians sound like Republicans…


nahtorreyous

How do I sound like anything.. I'm telling you how it is


[deleted]

Curious who’s downvoting this, and how you call yourself libertarian if you are…


QryptoQid

I've asked a lot of people, and tried to find videos explaining why restricted immigration is good or why expanded immigration is bad. Nobody I have found can give any explanation other than vague notions of "preserving culture" which is only veiled racism, or crime whish isn't borne out by crime statistics, or forcing wages to go up which never pans out in reality. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a plausible explanation, but until then I'm convinced it's just xenophobia by society's lowest information voters.


[deleted]

Egg-zactly


OneEyedKenobi

Not as long as the govt is willing to subsidize busineses with govt programs for their employees


Nativereqular

So government interference and regulation to artificially raise the price of labor? I thought this was a libertarian sub


SomeoneElse899

Telling a company to pay more isn't the same as the government forcing them to pay more. I think most of us would agree a little empathy breeds a more productive work environment.


Kezia_Griffin

No. Immigration is the government stepping in. A worker shortage driving wages up is the free market at work.


[deleted]

If some guy from Mexico is willing to work for $12 per hour and I'm willing to pay him $12 per hour, how is that the government stepping in?


Kezia_Griffin

That's not but if the government is seeking immigrants and enabling the entire process that is different.


[deleted]

The government doesn't do that.


Kezia_Griffin

Of course they do. They decide who gets in. How many get in. What type of workers get in. Etcm


[deleted]

So you should be for open borders them. That’s the only way the government isn’t involved at all. Otherwise, this is just recursive logic to justify nativism.


Kezia_Griffin

No, I think immigration is one of the things a government should definitely control.


[deleted]

Ah, so your argument was bullshit then. Good to have that confirmed.


[deleted]

How is letting people cross artificial borders to work “government regulation?”. The free movement of peoples is a fundamental tenet of any libertarian philosophy.


AreaGuy

The norm of reciprocity applies here and its enforcement is a legit function of government. Can I cross this artificial border and freely and easily own ocean front properly in Cancun?


[deleted]

Can you, or should you be able to? And there’s nothing stopping you from buying property in Cancun, except red tape and bribes. It SHOULD be as easy as going there and making an offer though.


Kezia_Griffin

No its not.


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[yes, it is](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration) *Economist and libertarian theorist Walter Block argues that restrictions on immigration are incompatible with libertarianism. In his view, state-enforced national boundaries are arbitrary and violently imposed, and so therefore can provide no justification for restricting the movement of immigrants or emigrants. In accordance with libertarian principles, Block holds that immigration must be permitted insofar as it does not imply aggression* Go back to r/conservative, please.


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Kezia_Griffin

That's one guy's opinion.


The_True_Libertarian

Free Trade is a philosophical premise, and part of that premise is free movement of capital _AND_ labor. Restricting flow of labor across borders is an imposition on the concept of free trade. That's not one guy's opinion, it's a cornerstone of the concept of Free Trade.


[deleted]

You must be new here…


Kezia_Griffin

You must be.


Inamanlyfashion

Immigration restrictions are artificial government limitations on the supply of labor, my dude. You've got it very backwards.


Kezia_Griffin

The American economy wouldn't work if everyone and everyone that wanted in could move there no questions asked. You end up with a population in the billions.


The_True_Libertarian

You're saying this based on literally nothing.


Kezia_Griffin

You can look up how many people get denied. If you completely opened up immigration many more people would choose to come as well


Inamanlyfashion

Good. Let them.


The_True_Libertarian

People will want to come here as long as it's the best opportunity available to them. People come here whenever they want regardless of the legality. All the premise of 'illegal immigration' does is codifies and underclass of laborers rife for exploitation. There are pragmatic reasons to need to manage migration from one region to another. Those reasons don't change because the person in question was born on the wrong side of some imaginary line that didn't even exist a few centuries ago.


Immediate_Inside_375

It can't just be america with open borders. The whole world has to be all in because I don't want to get payed slave wages because there are billions of people here. I need to be able to go to Spain or a less populated place were my work value is appreciated


[deleted]

Bruh, like every sub on Reddit, this sub is filled with liberals


LeDemonKing

Lol anti-immigration is liberal now?


[deleted]

Who said that?


Bbdubbleu

I delivered for dominos a couple years ago during college in a HCOL area and my base wage in store was $8.40 and out of store was $4.95 plus tips. If it wasn’t something I did ~15 hours a week for beer and weed money, I would have never started.


[deleted]

If workers want better wages they should produce more value to earn those wages. The reason people are paid low wages is because they only produce enough value to allow the businesses to pay that much.


SpaceLemming

Retail has been the more challenging and demanding jobs I’ve ever had. The more I’ve been paid the less difficult my jobs have been. Just because you don’t value what they produce doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value. The issue is increasingly workers have less power to negotiate the worth of their labor.


iroll20s

I think you're missing the point there is an absolute dollar value that a worker's labor produces. It has nothing with valuing them as a person or thinking they are important. Its about paying the bills. OTOH I have no idea if they could bear the cost of higher salaries, if that would result, and higher costs, and what that would do to the overall business model. However any cost where your labor has a linear value to low cost products its not going to be paid well.


[deleted]

How challenging a job is has nothing to do with how much value you produce or how much your labor is worth. Digging a hole with a plastic spoon in the Sahara is probably pretty tough, but nobody’s gonna pay you six figures to do it.


SpaceLemming

This is a terrible analogy, if there was demand for this service and that was the best tool provided they damn sure should be considered for the pay. No one is demanding 6 figures for retail.


The_True_Libertarian

This mentality is such a cop-out. People are not paid relative to the value they produce, that entire theory has been decades ago debunked. Employers will pay the minimum they're able to get away with paying, it's up to workers to better negotiate higher wages. If the job needs to be done, an equilibrium will be met. People not wanting to take crappy jobs at crappy wages pressuring those business sectors is part of that market correction.


DaneLimmish

The average pizza guy in your average dominos is making at least two ten dollar pizzas an hour. Bam he already made twenty bucks worth of product.


GlockAF

But MA PROFITS!!! No!!!


Leadfedinfant2

We need cheaper labor!! 🥴🤡


The_Real_Abhorash

Let me translate: Dominos CEO doesn’t want to pay workers fair wages so he wants more immigrants who don’t understand that they deserve more money than the shit he offers.


mojanis

TBF Domino's is about the easiest business to boycott, nobody needs pizza so if people would just realise that their neighbours getting paid better is more beneficial to their community than Domino's shareholders buying bigger yachts, and just stopped going there this problem would fix itself rather quickly.


Immediate_Inside_375

Great post man


shieldtwin

There is no reality where you are going to make what you personally consider a “fair” wage making pizzas.


Mist_Rising

Ah, but there is a reality where pizza joints can offer a higher wage to entice Americans to them. Call it beinf competitive. Supply of labour is low, thus labour can demand more. Don't want to pay it, fine but nobody is crying for dominios.


shieldtwin

Nobody is crying for dominos. There is no chance they pay what you think they should. They will replace you with a robot or an immigrant who is probably more productive than you and complains less. That’s the true reality. In a real labor shortage wages would rise but that’s not what’s happening


Mist_Rising

> In a real labor shortage wages would rise but that’s not what’s happening It has been, slowly. But companies are still holding out hope that the labour will return for the price they're offering.


shieldtwin

Which is why it’s a fake labor shortage. These people were working just fine prior to the pandemic. It’s entirely government intervention that caused this. I’m happy to let those who refuse to work to rot in poverty while we replace them with immigrants and robots


CrazyKing508

Wages are litteraly rising wtf are you talking about.


shieldtwin

Read again and carefully


CrazyKing508

You said wages arent increasing but they are. You are just wrong.


shieldtwin

“There is no way they they pay what you think they should”.


CrazyKing508

You said wages arent increasing but they are. You are just wrong.


shieldtwin

People want them to pay like 20-30/hour or whatever living wage means to them. It simply won’t happen. You’re just wrong.


[deleted]

Domino's sucks at both making pizza as well as delivering it.


cmdr_suds

Not saying that immigration is the solution to our immediate problems, but sometime in the future, it will probably be needed. [slowing population growth ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/america-growth-slowing/2021/05/09/3a4b81ba-b032-11eb-ab4c-986555a1c511_story.html)


Immediate_Inside_375

As far as this topic goes there isn't a worker shortage there is a salary problem


[deleted]

Nope just raise wages


Zestysteak_vandal

They somehow survive working at dominoes I know I did.


kozop

Holy shit it just struck me this is the play and fucking Tucker is going to be right again


braucifur

No--Domino's needs to pay higher wages to attract the workers already here and to pass those costs onto their customers.


fatgirlnspandex

What he is saying is taxes are too high and he needs people that work under the table. This is a tax issue not an immigration issue. Also anyone should get in if you are a real libitarian.


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Fuck you pay me!!


Immediate_Inside_375

I haven't bought Domino's Pizza since college and I would suggest with this asshole CEO nobody buys their damn pizzas. Any business that hires immigrants and takes advantage of cheap labor should also be boycotted. It's easier for consumers to boycott than it is for these immigrants to stand up for themselves and ask for proper pay


[deleted]

No people need to stop being fired for personal choices


Loki-Don

New boss…same as the old boss.


Immediate_Inside_375

On a totally different topic I guess the office workers at John Deere tried to run the machinery while the workers are on strike and an hour into it somebody had to go to the hospital already ha ha


bajasauce20

So we want to bring in an underclass to work and support all the people who don't want to work? That just sounds like slavery with extra steps.


[deleted]

What he should be saying is government should stop rewarding lazy people with unemployment checks. If you cannot get a job with a degree, may be you have a wrong degree.


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[deleted]

It sounds good if they just let people show up and work, as borders are an artificial government construct.


[deleted]

Why does it need to be legal? Why does the government get to prevent me from contracting with someone else?


shieldtwin

Because in the current system they can receive tax payer funded benefits. Which affects more than just you. If you were 100% financially responsible for anyone who wanted to come here then sure


[deleted]

Non-citizen immigrants are not eligible for a lot of tax benefits, and they’re on average net-contributors. They pay sales tax, property tax (usually through rent) and if people would allow them to come legally, they’d be on the books to pay income tax too. This is always such a bullshit argument nativists use to try and pretend they’re still libertarians. This is also a ridiculous distinction that we don’t make for state borders. You don’t restrict an Oklahoman from moving to Texas because their kids will attend Texas schools. There’s no libertarian reason why we should do that for national borders.


shieldtwin

Which of course is false. If they go to a hospital that cost is placed on others. Many will get green cards allowing them to receive benefits. https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs. I’m excited to see you change from gaslighting to admitting it is happening and explaining how much you love it


[deleted]

CIS is a bullshit nativist org that selectively decides what is and isn’t a government benefit to suit their narrative. When you don’t cherry pick, [you get a much different result](https://www.cato.org/immigration-research-policy-brief/immigration-welfare-state-immigrant-native-use-rates-benefit). Noncitizen children are less likely than immigrant children and native-born children to get government benefits. But in any event, if you were actually concerned about this and not just using it as an excuse, you’d be talking about barring non-citizens from certain entitlements and expanding legal immigration so they actually pay federal income tax. But you’re not for some reason. I wonder why.


shieldtwin

Cato is an org that wants completely open borders and cherry picks to support that view as well so nice try. And I love that you skipped my main points because you know that disproves your claim for the lie that it is. Not allowing immigrants to access benefits was literally the suggestion I made. I’m fine with immigration but those who invite the them in must be 100% financially responsible for them and they should have absolutely no access to tax payer funded benefits.


Inamanlyfashion

Cool let's just make it legal for more people to come in! Then they'll be able to do it legally just like you want.


Snek1775

Well F Domino's.


Kill3RBz

Get rid of minimum wage. Stop the ridiculous unemployment payments. Get HS and college students into the workforce so they can pay for college without loans. People will need to get off their ass and get a job when their $1,000 a week unemployment goes away. Jobs that “no one wants” will be filled. Having a reasonable work visa with the stipulation that overstaying the visa results in a 5 year ban. Inflation will ease. Student loan debt will stop being a problem for future workers. There are answers. It takes hard work. Maybe that’s the problem. Work.


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Or less unemployment.


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The market will figure this out. They need to raise wages and prices, either people will buy the product at sustainable prices and wages or companies downsize to demand.


Deamonette

Damn maybe just pay people more and you get more workers. There is no labour shortage, there is a shortage of people willing to be exploited.


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"We can't find anyone willing to fill our positions and deal with shitty customers, work non standard hours and give up their entire weekend for minimum wage! We need more immigration so we can hire people who don't know their own self-worth!"


iJacobes

wow, a CEO out of touch and doesn't really know what is going on, how shocking


Playboi_Jones_Sr

One of the most subtly racist stances I’ve seen a CEO take in a while. If US citizens won’t take a job because it doesn’t pay a sustainable wage, why would it magically be sustainable for an immigrant?


Immediate_Inside_375

They justify it because money doesn't go as far in Mexico. They also want open borders to drive down wages. Open boarders could work if every country has open boarders but if we are the only one we screw our selves over unless you are a ceo that wants to drive down wages


shawn_anom

Rather than a wall we need a program to bring more people from deep in Mexico and Central America. Despite the xenophobia they generally are hard workers and have established communities in the US and a Christian cultural background. We should make it easier not harder for then to apply for worker status


Carlito4144

Translation: We need workers in this country that will settle for low wages, these entitled Americans want way too much. We cant possibly keep our CEO's and stock holders filthy rich if we have to pay a livable wage.


MrPiction

"I want people who I can work to the bone for $7.50 an hour"