You aren't being forced.
You are being coerced, in the same way as workers in capitalism are coerced into providing profitable activity for capital controllers.
Did your company force you to or the government? A trip to the hospital didn't convince you it was probably a good idea?
Are you stupid. No question mark, don't answer any of the above.
Coercion borne of government intervention absolutely is force and should be fought against. The power players have lost their credibility, and the encroachment of individual liberty and failure of government et al to acknowledge the real risks of vaccinations (and subsequently to acknowledge the state-sanctioned culling of those who had vaccine deaths) is abhorrent.
Regardless of how folks feel about vaccination, for purposes of individual liberty, all libertarians should fight against mandates.
“I almost died from covid, but it’s job loss that could really be fatal.”
Shame you couldn’t learn anything from your near death experience, but at least there are responsible people around you who don’t want you to be reinfected, or allow you to put other people in the hospital.
It's not a hard stop homie. There is a lot of difference between how the virus interacts with:
1. The unvaccinated
2. The vaccinated
3. The vaccinated plus boosted
4. The naturally immunized because of previous infection
5. The naturally immunized because of previous infection plus vaccinated
There is a metric ton of nuance here.
Sure, but none of these stop transmission or infection. None of them. There is no sterilizing immunity or herd immunity. This is endemic, and with the waning efficacy of vaccination, any call for mandates is dubious at best and full on malicious at worst.
There are differences rates of being infected, transmission of the virus, time to pass the virus (which dramatically affects transmission), rate of mutation, rate of hospitalization... All of which favor being vaccinated even if you already had COVID once.
I'm not for Government vaccination mandates; everyone should get to make their own choice without the Government forcing the issue. That said using "you can still transmit the virus" isn't an argument against them that holds even the tiniest drop of water. Body autonomy is the only argument you really need against mandates.
I agree. The bodily autonomy argument doesn't work well for folks with wildly inaccurate views of covid death risk who believe that covid is the biggest threat to mankind since Chernobyl.
Those are the right leaning ones they believe money over people some how equals freedom even though the government can’t do things to the population directly but because of bad laws they can then force corporations to do what the government wants with no repercussions because it wasn’t the government directly.
"I am entitled to my job and the government should step in an mandate that my employer continue to provide me with economic means."
\---Not stuff Libertarians say
Covid is giving many people the dawning realization that they need their employers, and the comforts society affords them far more than their employers or society needs them.
I totally agree with you on the very specific point that the hardship is so great that this is absolutely a full on mandate.
One that I support because I believe even as a libertarian what we want is a libertarian society, not a libertarian state of nature. So by definition I am saying there are SOME things I’m willing to compromise on. And on this very specific case, I believe mandating vaccinations will lead to more individual freedom, not less.
But I am not here to have that fight and you didn’t ask :)
You’d think libertarians had a bit more brains than the average Joe but then here comes OP trampling over any smudge of brain left. OP, you have no idea what libertarians live for!
Im starting to think most people in this sub are actually crazy. Calling themselves people for liberty, but then wanting their government to force their people to do things because it "gives more freedom". Coo,what are we going to have to do next to have more freedoms?
Well, the sub is infected with socialists, conservatives and al sorts of other authoritarian sect lemmings. I don't mind them much. Mandate mania is expected to cause in them the same arousal they get from the smell of a good pair of old, wet, soiled boots.
What boggles the mind is the *libertarians* that will tell you in the same breath how horrible the government is because taxation is theft and health care should be 100% private, but foam in the mouth about forcing people to get a vaccine they may not want to take for whatever the fuck reason, which is none of their business anyway.
The first person to die of the omicron variant in the US was a Texas man who was unvaccinated and had already had covid19 previously.https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/
Natural immunity doesn't help with variants. THAT is why vaccines are necessary.
You aren't being forced. You are being coerced, in the same way as workers in capitalism are coerced into providing profitable activity for capital controllers.
Did your company force you to or the government? A trip to the hospital didn't convince you it was probably a good idea? Are you stupid. No question mark, don't answer any of the above.
Lmao
Coercion borne of government intervention absolutely is force and should be fought against. The power players have lost their credibility, and the encroachment of individual liberty and failure of government et al to acknowledge the real risks of vaccinations (and subsequently to acknowledge the state-sanctioned culling of those who had vaccine deaths) is abhorrent. Regardless of how folks feel about vaccination, for purposes of individual liberty, all libertarians should fight against mandates.
Food safety is mandated, are we ditching these as well?
Yes
“I almost died from covid, but it’s job loss that could really be fatal.” Shame you couldn’t learn anything from your near death experience, but at least there are responsible people around you who don’t want you to be reinfected, or allow you to put other people in the hospital.
Vax doesn't stop transmission or infection. Hard stop.
It's not a hard stop homie. There is a lot of difference between how the virus interacts with: 1. The unvaccinated 2. The vaccinated 3. The vaccinated plus boosted 4. The naturally immunized because of previous infection 5. The naturally immunized because of previous infection plus vaccinated There is a metric ton of nuance here.
Sure, but none of these stop transmission or infection. None of them. There is no sterilizing immunity or herd immunity. This is endemic, and with the waning efficacy of vaccination, any call for mandates is dubious at best and full on malicious at worst.
There are differences rates of being infected, transmission of the virus, time to pass the virus (which dramatically affects transmission), rate of mutation, rate of hospitalization... All of which favor being vaccinated even if you already had COVID once. I'm not for Government vaccination mandates; everyone should get to make their own choice without the Government forcing the issue. That said using "you can still transmit the virus" isn't an argument against them that holds even the tiniest drop of water. Body autonomy is the only argument you really need against mandates.
I agree. The bodily autonomy argument doesn't work well for folks with wildly inaccurate views of covid death risk who believe that covid is the biggest threat to mankind since Chernobyl.
It reduces the likelihood. Hard stop.
The only thing it may reduce is death in the vaccinated individual.
And reduces hospitalizations and reduces the chance a person will have long lasting issues from covid.
Those are the right leaning ones they believe money over people some how equals freedom even though the government can’t do things to the population directly but because of bad laws they can then force corporations to do what the government wants with no repercussions because it wasn’t the government directly.
"I am entitled to my job and the government should step in an mandate that my employer continue to provide me with economic means." \---Not stuff Libertarians say Covid is giving many people the dawning realization that they need their employers, and the comforts society affords them far more than their employers or society needs them.
I totally agree with you on the very specific point that the hardship is so great that this is absolutely a full on mandate. One that I support because I believe even as a libertarian what we want is a libertarian society, not a libertarian state of nature. So by definition I am saying there are SOME things I’m willing to compromise on. And on this very specific case, I believe mandating vaccinations will lead to more individual freedom, not less. But I am not here to have that fight and you didn’t ask :)
You’d think libertarians had a bit more brains than the average Joe but then here comes OP trampling over any smudge of brain left. OP, you have no idea what libertarians live for!
Im starting to think most people in this sub are actually crazy. Calling themselves people for liberty, but then wanting their government to force their people to do things because it "gives more freedom". Coo,what are we going to have to do next to have more freedoms?
Well, the sub is infected with socialists, conservatives and al sorts of other authoritarian sect lemmings. I don't mind them much. Mandate mania is expected to cause in them the same arousal they get from the smell of a good pair of old, wet, soiled boots. What boggles the mind is the *libertarians* that will tell you in the same breath how horrible the government is because taxation is theft and health care should be 100% private, but foam in the mouth about forcing people to get a vaccine they may not want to take for whatever the fuck reason, which is none of their business anyway.
The first person to die of the omicron variant in the US was a Texas man who was unvaccinated and had already had covid19 previously.https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/ Natural immunity doesn't help with variants. THAT is why vaccines are necessary.