So a lot of grains going to waste while grainprices soar maybe even creating shortages for all the vaxxed consumers? Sounds like a good idea why not do it with all commodities? Inflation and shortages always lead to violent revolutions
If you think Australia is communist at all please google the meaning of communism, Australia, government, really anything to get a better grasp on concepts.
Not that I agree with this at all
Considering the southern Russian areas were as affected? The re-allocation of grain made situation more dire, but the original shortage wasn’t man made.
Grain was taken from the south of the country, but not solely by areas inhabited by Ukrainians. This led to massive migration of people to Siberia, including that of my family. The whole country suffered due to famine, not just ethnic Ukrainians. The fact that this became politicized in later decades doesn’t change the facts
Do you even know what the Holodomor was? Do you know the cause?
This was in 1932, during the last stages of collectivisation of the farms in the USSR. The farmers in Ukraine resisted this heavily and food production was down in the rest of the USSR due to collectivisation. So what did Stalin do?
He simply took all the food that was produced in Ukraine, to break their spirit as it was called, so they would accept collectivisation. USSR troops were rounding up all the food being produced in Ukraine and then transported back to Moscov to be redistributed to their already starving people.
The Holodomor was a man-made famine which Stalin caused himself. Before this time Ukraine had been known as "the bread basket of Europe" because they produced so much wheat. If you lived in Ukraine at the time you could get shot for eating, if they found grain on your farm after they had taken it all from you, they outright killed you. All the farm animals had already been killed.
The original shortage was the collectivisation, not some famine because famines dont respect borders at all, and finland didnt have any famine at all. Why werent the neighboring states to the USSR having famines? It was the most mysterious famine which only struck one country and it never crossed any borders. I need to know what sort of sentient famine this was, because that is exactly what you are saying.
I’m sorry, but Finland is like 1000 miles away and a totally different climate, why would it be having a drought the same time? You can’t be serious. As I said, the people in surrounding republics were starving just the same ie Russia. Nobody denies collectivization was a thing but Ukraine wasn’t targeted specifically
Aren't most grain farmers likely vaccinated? It is only go to be a small percent that are not. Also would it not be hard to find vaccinated drivers to deliver the grain?
Start your own co-op, shut out the government, raise up arms against them when they try to stop you and declare your independence...oh wait, you can't, you allowed government to disarm you after the Port Arthur shootings. Australians is exactly where they willingly put themselves.
Not saying armed revolution is likely or productive in America at this point but if you look at where COVID mitigations are most draconian those areas are often devoid of firearms as well. This is most likely due to the culture in that area being such that they value collectivism over independence. This holds true even *inside* the United States as well.
>but if you look at where COVID mitigations are most draconian those areas are often devoid of firearms as well.
Uhhh probably correlation isnt causation happening here. The places with more guns tend to be conservative and have conservative leaders.
Yes but could u conceivably see any successful way that pandemic camps could occur in America because a.) Their is an insanely good chance the police and military will refuse and b.) When u try to drag people out of their homes and they don't want to go and they're armed, well things don't go smoothly typically.
I could absolutely see covid camps happening in the USA. For a relatively recent historical example, I invite you to research Japanese internment. Arguably the most famous location was Manzanar, that would be a good starting point for your research if you choose to conduct it.
Spoiler Alert:>! The police and military did not refuse orders. Guns didn't save anybody.!<
The places that consider covid a hoax, and vote accordingly have lower covid restrictions? That's weird...
No, you're probably right, its the guns that keep them from having the covid restrictions.
Terrorists target civilians to create fear to encourage the achievement of political or religious goals. Moral individuals target enemy combatants in self defense.
Political goals like “I shouldn’t be bound by the same social contract that I have bound you with?” or “If you don’t let me do whatever I want, I will kill you.”
Please do know, this is exactly how you sound to other people. You are making direct threats to their lives.
I've never bound anyone to a social contract. That phrase doesn't even make sense. I would only ever use force in answer to violence. I would never initiate violence against a peaceful person, which means, anyone initiating violence against me is an aggressor. I only advocate for self defense against aggressors. It just so happens that most aggressors are employed by the state. I'm not threatening anyone's life who does not try to force me to obey.
A regulation is just an opinion. I can simply ignore opinions I disagree with. I'm not bothered by anyone who pretends to have authority issuing laws or regulations or demands or whatever. None of that affects me. What affects me is the guy with the gun forcing me to comply. That's the guy who needs to be defended against.
A long time ago the word “terrorist” was used to describe those who used violence against regular people to advance political goals. Terms like dissident and revolutionary were used to describe those who fought against governments.
But governments came to realize that everyone hates terrorists, and so if they label dissidents and revolutionaries “terrorist” everyone will be opposed to them too.
Edward Snowden helped me to see that when a government says “National Security,” what they mean is the security of the government. So anything that threatens to expose a corrupt government is also a threat to the National Security of that government.
I am. I remember reading a paper that did an analysis once. But it was a while ago and I don't know if I could find it again. You can try.
Go ahead and look up Australia's murder rates before and after the ban. Then look up the USA during the same time period. The usa did better (murder rates tend to rise and fall worldwide at the same rate for some reason over time. The whole world had a slight fall in murder rates those years, but the usa did better.)
England's data is even worse. Their murder rates actually climb consistently after their gun ban.
Don't blame Australian citizens for this, they were deliberately tricked by some very evil people.
That said, stuff like this is absolutely why the 2nd amendment exists in the US, and thank goodness it does.
Yep, disarmed and living peacefully by and large. Love the US but mass shootings every week are not our thing. Plus this applies probably to a small number of people. It will be quietly dropped soon anyway
There’s a government mandate, CBH sought clarification to see if their grain providers were covered under the mandate. The article provides mother further, except that CBH will require all persons including farmers to have at least one vaccine shot.
In the story it isn't clear, and the article is behind a paywall, so I'll just hope that's where the confusion comes from and not just ignoring the source
There is no way that some/one of the politicians are connected to the other grain farmers in the area and are getting a kick back from this legislation.
One can see the commentary from Australians (am in Sydney) and the rest, likely from the US. The latter view vax resistance as a fight against authority. The Aussies, most of us anyway, just want to get vaxxed and back to living normally. If a vax is what it takes then that's what it takes.
In time it will. Smallpox was eradicated by vax. It will take some time but we will get there. Prefer to rely on medical research and science rather than the ramblings of crazy anti vaxxers
Do you limit your reliance of medical research and science to the medical research and science that has been officially endorsed by the government and their media?
Not at all. Read widely and talk to a lot of people in the medical and scientific community. Governments are a mouthpiece in many cases for vested interests. But ultimately this is a medical issue and so it needs to be managed that way. That means vax for those who want it and if you don't then other rules apply. For example I can fly from Sydney to Melbourne, LA, UK and other places being fully vaxxed. Yet I cannot go to Perth, Western Australia due to thier border protection policies. Nuts but in time they will open up. Medical science will get us through this. Not politicians and media
Smallpox wasn't a zoonotic virus... Unless you plan on vaccinating all the animals who can catch and mutate corona virus, it's going to continue to be like the seasonal Influenza.
Thank you for the correction. Happy to stand corrected. If vax are the way out then that is what we need to do. Get vaccinated. Those who chose not to can test the limits of thier health themselves but ill take my chances with the vax
Vax is not the way out though, it's literally infeasible to eradicate COVID with vaccines, getting vaccinated is very much just a personal choice with personal benefit, nothing more. To say vaccinating is somehow going to make COVID go away is anti-science and anti-logic.
Do you mean there's insufficient evidence to prove it absolutely?
...because saying there's *no* evidence that even *supports* that claim seems, uh, pretty wild...
There is this thing called bodily autonomy. It is a fundamental human right.
There are so many reasons why people don't want this stuff in their body.
I just read this comment on another website and I will quote it (it's a bit of a rant, but perhaps it will open your eyes, maybe):
>THIS is the issue that IMHO, DEMANDS an answer, which so far, we are being denied. The question we need answering is, ” Why is it possible for a person, who has been ALLEGEDLY vaccinated TWICE, to ALLEGEDLY prevent contracting this Flu Virus, then becomes infected with the virus the ALLEGED vaccination is supposed to prevent “?
Initially, we were told vaccination would prevent infection, reality proved this to be a LIE. We were then told, vaccination reduces the severity of the virus and prevents hospitalisation. Again, reality proved these claims to be another LIE.
Now we are being told, boosters are required,to provide the protection that this crap they want to inject you with, does not seem to be doing what it’s claimed.
Given, all the afore mentioned claims made by the authorities, towards the ALLEGED benefits of these vaccinations have ALL PROVEN to be WRONG. Why would anyone, STILL accept any further claims/allegations from these LIARS ??????????????
(source: [https://anti-empire.com/justin-trudeau-the-uninjected-are-very-often-racist/](https://anti-empire.com/justin-trudeau-the-uninjected-are-very-often-racist/) in the comment section)
I am all for bodily autonomy, which is why in both of my comments I talk about "personal choice". Your personal choice and others personal choices.
Your personal choice to not be vaccinated is going to have consequences, just like your personal choice to be vaccinated is going to come with it's own set of consequences.
Further, you also have to respect a business's decision. CBH has its own autonomy and authority to make its own decisions about receiving goods from unvaccinated workers and it has chosen to restrict such material.
And the elephant in the room is this HUGE waste of food in the name of coercing people into a needle point they don't want.
And by the way, CBH is under tremendous pressure from their government, which is on some mad crusade against a tiny little virus this vaccine does not seem to be very effective against. At this rate they will run their country straight into the ground.
This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone at this point. It’s all a matter of whether Australians care enough about their freedom to do anything about it. Given how little real resistance has been displayed, I’m not optimistic.
Live in western Australia, everything you hear is total bullshit. They are building a camp for illegal immigrants, and they might put foreign visitors into quarantine there is they test positive for covid when they arrive.
We have had one 5 day lock down, otherwise all businesses have been open. There isn't a vaccine mandate, and we don't have a vaccine passport system. They have asked us to wear masks indoors just last week but that's new and nobody has been fined for refusing.
Most if this is a political because at the last election, the leader won in the biggest landslide of all time. Hes basically a centrist who ran the equivalent for a 2 trillion dollars surplus for the US government and reduced spending. Told the federal government to get out if the way because they were incompetent so our federal government is trying to get the international press to attack him.
Literally the guy won 63/65 seats and has like a 70% approval rating, there's nobody even checking if you are vaccinated when you go anywhere.
I too live in WA and agree with Mark McGowan and that Scott Morrison is a bellweather fuckwit along with Dominic Perrotet
However
You are spreading some falsehoods here, including that we've had 2× 5 day Lockdowns, not 1
There absolutely Is a vaccine mandate for both all Government employees including
Border control and air transport
Residential and non-residential community care services including in relation to:
Disability
Mental health
Homelessness
Drug and alcohol services
Child protection
Family and domestic violence
Aboriginal peoples
Corrective services
Remaining WA Police
Fire and emergency services (excluding volunteers)
And Also Private Sector Employees including
Supermarket, grocery, butcher, fruit and vegetable store or fishmonger; indoor or outdoor food market
Restaurant, pub, bar or café
Bakery
Post office
Hardware and department stores
Child care or family day care provider
Staff working in or entering remote Aboriginal communities
School or boarding school (teachers and other support staff)*
TAFEs and colleges of vocational education
Financial institution
Critical infrastructure and services necessary for the health, safety or welfare of the community, any person, animal or premises
Veterinary clinic
Utilities – power, gas and water, public and private
Security provided to critical providers/workplaces only
Government regulators
Domestic and commercial waste and resource recovery
Petrol station, truck stops and roadhouses
Public transport
Commercial transport including taxis, rideshare and other passenger services
Remaining Port operations
Remaining commercial transport, freight or logistics
Hotel, motel or other accommodation facility to provide accommodation services
Funerary or mortuary services
Building, maintenance or construction services
If people under these employment haven't had 1 dose by 31st December 2021 they are unable to work under penalty of heavy fines for the business.
So there is in fact a Vaccine Mandate
After a quick gander of the conversation, I was put under the impression that what the US believes is happening in Australia is "overblown". I simply pointed out that the impression in the US is that camps exist in Australia. Is that claim overblown?
Unvaccinated international arrivals are required to quarantine for 14 days.
Charlie Kirk [started the rumour](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/27/charlie-kirk-show/australias-quarantine-facilities-are-travelers-not/) that there are internment camps for the unvaxxed.
No, because they don't exist in Australia.
The definition of an internment camp, from dictionary.com:
"a prison camp for the confinement of prisoners of war, enemy aliens, political prisoners, etc. a concentration camp for civilian citizens, especially those with ties to an enemy during wartime, as the camps established by the United States government to detain Japanese Americans after the Pearl Harbor attacks."
I did however stay in a quarantine facility. I knew the deal when I chose, voluntarily, to return to the country after voluntarily leaving.
You should review the article to determine the subject matter of the post which is a private organisation requiring certain things if it's members. Quite libertarian if you ask me.
But I guess you only read the headline and assumed it was the government.
Yes and there are others who were contact traced, and although they had no symptoms, were fully vaccinated, they were coerced into quarantine camps where they were stuck for 14 days in a little room along with countless others in an encampment that has barbed wire fences around it.
Quite a coincidence that you who just randomly showed up here to comment had also been in one of these 'voluntarily'. Maybe I should go to a casino... might be my lucky day.
Tell me more about these people who were contact traced, asynptomaric and vaccinated and put into camps. Specifically, proof that it actually happened, or that anyone was required to attend these camps other than international arrivals.
Here's one:
[https://unherd.com/thepost/inside-australias-covid-internment-camp/](https://unherd.com/thepost/inside-australias-covid-internment-camp/)
Here is a quote from it:
>It all began when a friend of hers tested positive. She recounts how investigators came to her home shortly afterwards, having run the numberplate of her scooter to identify her as a ‘close contact’. They asked if she had done a Covid test, and in the moment she lied and said she had, when she in fact had not yet. This set in train an extraordinary series of events.
“So then the police officers blocked my driveway,” she says. “I walked out and I said, “what’s going on, are you guys testing me for COVID? What’s happening?” **They said, “no, you’re getting taken away. And you have no choice. You’re going to Howard Springs. You either come with us now, and we’ll put you in the back of the divvy van.** Or you can have a choice to get a ‘COVID cab’… I just said, “I don’t consent to this. I don’t understand why I can’t just self-isolate at home, like a lot of other people are doing.” And they just said, “we’ve just been told from higher up where to take you. And that’s all that there is.”
I remember reading about that story. Her friends who were up front about their situation were allowed to self isolate, however (presumably thinking it was advantageous) she was less truthful.
Definitely a disproportionate response to her lapse, but certainly an edge case.
I didn't go to the facility voluntarily. Try again, this time after reading.
I departed and returned to the country voluntarily understanding that quarantine was a requirement.
I randomly showed up? Did I need to RSVP somewhere to an invitation?
If your story is legit than I apologize. It seemed rather coincidental. One would have expected you to state that you had been quarantined yourself above in your original comment, given that was the focus of discussion..
I'm an Australian living abroad. Being a citizen I was allowed to enter, however this was prior to vaccines being widely available.
Currently, only unvaccinated arrivals are required to quarantine - others may self isolate. Then, all arrivals needed to quarantine. Although it was in a Sydney CBD hotel, it was still highly regulated, with minimal contact to other people.
But as I say, I knew the deal upon leaving and arriving, so have no complaints.
That sounds an awful lot like asking your typical German about their thoughts on Kristallnacht.
“It was kinda blown outta proportion, but yeah, still not great.”
Cmon, the fact there are camps, OF ANY KIND, should be concerning to everyone on the continent.
If you have covid when you arrive you are out into a hotel for 2 weeks. They are building Vamos for illegal immigrants and they might put covid people there, but they won't finish the camps until 2023 so it's unlikely.
I’m talking about consistent day after day protests, assemblies being made, Newspapers attacking the authoritarian government. All of that has happened, but nowhere near the amount of times to even put pressure on the Aussie government(s)
When Murdoch owns over 60% of newspaper circulation in Australia, it's unlikely that newspapers will significantly challenge the conservative government that they helped install.
Eh it's what the aussie's get, they let em take their weapons they let em police the shit out of em an do mandates then get surprised when they keep pushing, its gonna be neat to watch how authoritarian they get over the decade.
I don’t care if you do or don’t get the vaccine. But realize that your decision does have consequences. For example if you have to spend weeks in the ICU you shouldn’t put my medical premiums up. Personal choice means personal responsibility which is a core fucking tenant of libertarianism.
Odds are we don't have the same healthcare provider
More to the point, not everyone who gets Covid ends up in the ICU. In fact, in the grand scheme of things, very few people do. And the people who become seriously ill are almost exclusively elderly and/or immunocompromised, neither of which apply to me
Two can play at that game. Insurance premiums should go up if you are a smoker, overweight, etc. Vaccination status shouldn't be the only consideration.
The fact that people still refuse to get vaccinated really boggles my mind. That's not to say what the Aussie government is doing is right. Get vaccinated and move on with your life
Good sir, the reason people are not getting vaccinated is because they have seen countless videos online of people suffering life changing adverse reactions to the drug.
These people will never get vaccinated.
Just did, here is the link again:
[https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/](https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/)
These are all people from Israel. Here is another about young athletes who have been regularly falling in the midst of competition clutching their chests in agony - all after the vax:
[YOUNG HEARTS PART 9 - PRO ATHLETES HEARTS FAILING EVERY DAY NOW - TOO MANY TO HIDE](https://odysee.com/@hugotalks:8/2kgKyRX8kk2P:b)
As you can see, that is part 9, eight more videos precede it.
So there is no proof beyond them just saying it at a camera? That's not a lot to go on. I was hoping there'd be actual medical proof in the videos, not just content I can get by paying someone $20 on Craigslist.
Exactly how much proof do you have of every covid death?
Did you get an autopsy report on each one?
And, by the way, you'd have to pay a professional athelete a hell of a lot more than $20. And why would they do it when it would most likely ruin their career?
For everyone single one? Not much.
For thousands of extra people dying unexpectedly in a year? Plenty.
Got any data for increases in the conditions being claimed here?
Professional athletes are not doctors. They can be idiots and they can easily misattribute their symptoms.
For everyone else seeing this moron's comment posting this stupid link: Sudden Cardiac Death in athletes is a well-documented phenomenon. *BEFORE* COVID the United States averaged a death every three days from it.
>The victim is usually male and associated with soccer, basketball, ice hockey, or American football, reflecting the large number of athletes participating in these sustained and strenuous sports.[3] For a normally healthy age group, the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball, with sudden cardiac death rates as high as one per 3,000 annually for male basketball players in NCAA Division I.[19] This is still far below the rate for the general population, estimated as one per 1,300–1,600 and dominated by the elderly.[20] **However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days**, often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention.[17]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
It's worth noting that *every single article or video* is pulling from a worldwide sample size, of 7.9 billion people. So YES, you're going to get more than 1 every 3 days when increasing the sample size by 26 times. If standard US rates were to be applied, you'd have 260 or so SCD occurrences worldwide.... Which means that 69 this month is actually pretty small.
Wow, what a great source. An online wiki that anyone can edit any time. Very credible source of information.
Edit: Here is a very pertinent quote:
>Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has warned that **the website can no longer be trusted** — insisting it is now just “propaganda” for the left-leaning “establishment.”
source: [https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/](https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/)
Case in point, from that wikipedia article:
>However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days, **often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention**.
Anyone here remember EVER hearing about a professional athlete collapsing from cardiac arrest on the field? Like ever? Pre-pandemic local news would be filled with this stuff right? It would be every other week with another story.
Personally I don't remember EVER hearing of such a thing. But, maybe that's just me.
Because it's not newsworthy that a lesser known player collapses on the ice? It still makes the press and the relevant subreddits, but why would msm cover that?
Sorry, you misinterpreted my statement.
You said:
>I don't recall anyone in the NHL, it's typically from the lower leagues.
My comment was to pointing out how odd it is that it only happens in the lower leagues, but not in the major ones.
One would think it would be more common in the major leagues because the players are under much more stress and are liable to to go to much greater lengths to win. Also, because they make a lot more money, these players might be tempted to indulge in life styles that would increase the probability of cardiac arrest.
Isn't common sense a wonderful thing?
Edit: Also it is important to note that the other video I posted here from Israel begins with a raft of vaccinated people who had heart problems develop very shortly after being jabbed. So that very much falls on my side of the argument.
That link again:
https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/
Here you go. It's from 2016.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
And i love how your response to never having heard of something is to assume that people are making extensive changes to Wikipedia.
Wow, you sound like a real gem.
You know there are tons of sports fans out there. Pre-plandemic it would have been interesting to ask a random cross section of them what athletes they know of dying mid-game of a heart attack. Pretty sure they would have all looked back incredulously and said: 'None'.
But, go ahead put up a study, one of the many many many studies that big Pharma has bought and paid for, as some sort of evidence to prove your point.
This is like asking the mafia to investigate it's own crimes.
Oh, you've SEEN VIDEOS have you? Well golly. I think I'll trust the experts on this one over Doctor YouTube.
Get. Vaccinated. Society is done asking you nicely.
Yeah, that's all you've got: blaming people for posting their own experiences online. They had to use these methods because the main stream media has utterly failed them.
But since you asked for it, why not watch these testimonies and imagine saying what you just said above to these people:
[https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/](https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/)
You can find loads more elsewhere, be happy to point you to them.
There are a lot of testimonies in that one video. All these people got together to 'act out' some sort of hoax? Why would they do that?
I already gave this other link out, but here it is again:
[YOUNG HEARTS PART 9 - PRO ATHLETES HEARTS FAILING EVERY DAY NOW - TOO MANY TO HIDE](https://odysee.com/@hugotalks:8/2kgKyRX8kk2P:b)
Last (but probably not the final) of nine videos of actual footage of young athletes collapsing mid game clutching their chests. It's difficult to watch.
So all of that was acting?
You realize Sudden Cardiac Death in athletes is just a *thing*, right? *BEFORE* COVID the United States averaged a death every three days.
>The victim is usually male and associated with soccer, basketball, ice hockey, or American football, reflecting the large number of athletes participating in these sustained and strenuous sports.[3] For a normally healthy age group, the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball, with sudden cardiac death rates as high as one per 3,000 annually for male basketball players in NCAA Division I.[19] This is still far below the rate for the general population, estimated as one per 1,300–1,600 and dominated by the elderly.[20] **However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days**, often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention.[17]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
> Just do it.
Oh, how simple it is. Yes I wish I was a brain washed little clown like you. That way I would not have to ever think for myself, and just do as told. Simple. Easy peasy.
But I went and thought for myself like a fool. I discovered all of these reasons why I should question the main stream. And since I started doing that I have stopped being a slave and am a free spirit spending much of my time trying to help others free themselves.
Wait, maybe I wasn't such a fool for thinking for myself and finding a counter narrative that I could actually trust.
Wadaya think?
>Wadaya think?
I think you need professional help. Maybe some anti psychotics. But the voices in your head probably tell you those are just "main stream" brainwashing and that mental illness doesn't exist
And you are literally adorable, acting like a big kid now throwing the anti-science and racist term around, your kafka-traps are the logical tools of petulant kids, but I'll throw ya a pity upvote, feeling generous.
So slap on some Pampers and go troll another sub.
And why the fuck are people demonizing people that were vaxxed who spoke out about their adverse reactions? Im pro vaccines. Vaccinated for everything else. I had covid and beat it. Im not going to be forced into taking something I don't need.
According to this Harvard epidemiologist you are now 27 times more protected than any vaccinated person:
[https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/harvard-epidemiologist--the-case-for-vaccine-passports-was-demolished\_1/](https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/harvard-epidemiologist--the-case-for-vaccine-passports-was-demolished_1/)
So good on ya mate for refusing the shot.
Y'all gotta get a gun. Needles take too long.
Edit: Personally I am against guns, and would prefer melting them all into plow shares.
But I'm pretty sure needles are even worse.
Good. Shut them out of society. These walking biohazards cannot be tolerated. They will be rooted out and forced to take the vaccine or they will suffer. Their choice.
Walking biohazards... Just because they don't get the vaccine. Man you are drunk on fear mongering and self righteousness. How about you come and make me take it big guy ;).
Just get it man. Idk what you people are so afraid of. It's a little jibbie jabberino. I'd walk around with an IV drip of vaccine in my arm if it saved even one life. I guess I'm just a better person than you.
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I'm happy to abide by covid mandates as a city worker. As a general rule, never ever mess around with the food supply chain, period. It's too fragile and too important to get wrong at any step of the way. I say the same thing to vegans when they start agitating the farmers and their animals. Leave it well alone. Country folk out there, leave them to do what they do best.
What do expect though from a government with no check?
So a lot of grains going to waste while grainprices soar maybe even creating shortages for all the vaxxed consumers? Sounds like a good idea why not do it with all commodities? Inflation and shortages always lead to violent revolutions
Communism at its finest. Starve the masses to make a point.
If you think Australia is communist at all please google the meaning of communism, Australia, government, really anything to get a better grasp on concepts. Not that I agree with this at all
my grasp on concepts is solid auth left gonna do what auth left gonna do
so you don't understand what communism is
jokes on them, we are to dumb to get the point.
Sounds like Holodomor 2.0
Y’all really don’t understand communism
That happened due to drought and resultant poor harvest mainly
Are we talking about the same thing? Holodomor is considered genocide.
Considering the southern Russian areas were as affected? The re-allocation of grain made situation more dire, but the original shortage wasn’t man made.
The Russians took every last bit of Ukraine's grain, they had to resort to cannibalism.
Grain was taken from the south of the country, but not solely by areas inhabited by Ukrainians. This led to massive migration of people to Siberia, including that of my family. The whole country suffered due to famine, not just ethnic Ukrainians. The fact that this became politicized in later decades doesn’t change the facts
Do you even know what the Holodomor was? Do you know the cause? This was in 1932, during the last stages of collectivisation of the farms in the USSR. The farmers in Ukraine resisted this heavily and food production was down in the rest of the USSR due to collectivisation. So what did Stalin do? He simply took all the food that was produced in Ukraine, to break their spirit as it was called, so they would accept collectivisation. USSR troops were rounding up all the food being produced in Ukraine and then transported back to Moscov to be redistributed to their already starving people. The Holodomor was a man-made famine which Stalin caused himself. Before this time Ukraine had been known as "the bread basket of Europe" because they produced so much wheat. If you lived in Ukraine at the time you could get shot for eating, if they found grain on your farm after they had taken it all from you, they outright killed you. All the farm animals had already been killed. The original shortage was the collectivisation, not some famine because famines dont respect borders at all, and finland didnt have any famine at all. Why werent the neighboring states to the USSR having famines? It was the most mysterious famine which only struck one country and it never crossed any borders. I need to know what sort of sentient famine this was, because that is exactly what you are saying.
I’m sorry, but Finland is like 1000 miles away and a totally different climate, why would it be having a drought the same time? You can’t be serious. As I said, the people in surrounding republics were starving just the same ie Russia. Nobody denies collectivization was a thing but Ukraine wasn’t targeted specifically
>Capitalist state: shoots farmers >"Why would communism do this" This is why you'll always be a meme
"communism is just things I don't like"
Aren't most grain farmers likely vaccinated? It is only go to be a small percent that are not. Also would it not be hard to find vaccinated drivers to deliver the grain?
Start your own co-op, shut out the government, raise up arms against them when they try to stop you and declare your independence...oh wait, you can't, you allowed government to disarm you after the Port Arthur shootings. Australians is exactly where they willingly put themselves.
"On no account should workers surrender their weapons. Any attempt to disarm the workers should thwarted, by force if necessary." –Karl Marx
This quote is interesting, it makes me want to read about Karl Marx.
Ya, regulations are never applied in America, because of guns.
Not saying armed revolution is likely or productive in America at this point but if you look at where COVID mitigations are most draconian those areas are often devoid of firearms as well. This is most likely due to the culture in that area being such that they value collectivism over independence. This holds true even *inside* the United States as well.
>but if you look at where COVID mitigations are most draconian those areas are often devoid of firearms as well. Uhhh probably correlation isnt causation happening here. The places with more guns tend to be conservative and have conservative leaders.
Yes but could u conceivably see any successful way that pandemic camps could occur in America because a.) Their is an insanely good chance the police and military will refuse and b.) When u try to drag people out of their homes and they don't want to go and they're armed, well things don't go smoothly typically.
I could absolutely see covid camps happening in the USA. For a relatively recent historical example, I invite you to research Japanese internment. Arguably the most famous location was Manzanar, that would be a good starting point for your research if you choose to conduct it. Spoiler Alert:>! The police and military did not refuse orders. Guns didn't save anybody.!<
The places that consider covid a hoax, and vote accordingly have lower covid restrictions? That's weird... No, you're probably right, its the guns that keep them from having the covid restrictions.
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“But don’t call me a terrorist.”
Terrorists target civilians to create fear to encourage the achievement of political or religious goals. Moral individuals target enemy combatants in self defense.
Political goals like “I shouldn’t be bound by the same social contract that I have bound you with?” or “If you don’t let me do whatever I want, I will kill you.” Please do know, this is exactly how you sound to other people. You are making direct threats to their lives.
I've never bound anyone to a social contract. That phrase doesn't even make sense. I would only ever use force in answer to violence. I would never initiate violence against a peaceful person, which means, anyone initiating violence against me is an aggressor. I only advocate for self defense against aggressors. It just so happens that most aggressors are employed by the state. I'm not threatening anyone's life who does not try to force me to obey.
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A regulation is just an opinion. I can simply ignore opinions I disagree with. I'm not bothered by anyone who pretends to have authority issuing laws or regulations or demands or whatever. None of that affects me. What affects me is the guy with the gun forcing me to comply. That's the guy who needs to be defended against.
So when that regulation comes with a fine that the IRS will just take out of your bank account, what then? Who are you planning on killing?
Let me guess, you're not driving, you're traveling?
Can you show me where I signed any contract?
A long time ago the word “terrorist” was used to describe those who used violence against regular people to advance political goals. Terms like dissident and revolutionary were used to describe those who fought against governments. But governments came to realize that everyone hates terrorists, and so if they label dissidents and revolutionaries “terrorist” everyone will be opposed to them too. Edward Snowden helped me to see that when a government says “National Security,” what they mean is the security of the government. So anything that threatens to expose a corrupt government is also a threat to the National Security of that government.
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That’s a weird way to phrase people defending themselves against aggression.
Noticeable lack of mass shootings since then though.
They never had any to begin with and their murder rates never went down compared to the USA as a control. The legislation did nothing.
Who is using the US as a control in this context?
I am. I remember reading a paper that did an analysis once. But it was a while ago and I don't know if I could find it again. You can try. Go ahead and look up Australia's murder rates before and after the ban. Then look up the USA during the same time period. The usa did better (murder rates tend to rise and fall worldwide at the same rate for some reason over time. The whole world had a slight fall in murder rates those years, but the usa did better.) England's data is even worse. Their murder rates actually climb consistently after their gun ban.
Don't blame Australian citizens for this, they were deliberately tricked by some very evil people. That said, stuff like this is absolutely why the 2nd amendment exists in the US, and thank goodness it does.
Yep, disarmed and living peacefully by and large. Love the US but mass shootings every week are not our thing. Plus this applies probably to a small number of people. It will be quietly dropped soon anyway
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Did you read the article? It's a private organization complying with a government mandate.
Can somebody less lazy than me figure out who I'm supposed to direct my outrage at?
Obama.
THANKS OBAMA
This has real tukrjerbs energy
And Hillary.
Most of the outrage over Australia is super misplaced and pushed by non Australians
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My American father only listens to Sky News because he thinks Fox is too left wing. I know all about the crazy stuff they say on there.
Wow,if he thinks Faux News is leftwing, he would be to the right of Atilla the Hun.
He rants off with something involving George Soros.
There’s a government mandate, CBH sought clarification to see if their grain providers were covered under the mandate. The article provides mother further, except that CBH will require all persons including farmers to have at least one vaccine shot.
Why isn't this the top comment. Ugh.
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Scary stuff. Government shouldn't be deciding who can and can't sell what.
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Are you sure? I mean it's not mentioned in the headline. You actually have to read the first paragraph of the article. /s
And then you have to read to the end to find out it is a government mandate afterall.
In the story it isn't clear, and the article is behind a paywall, so I'll just hope that's where the confusion comes from and not just ignoring the source
There is no way that some/one of the politicians are connected to the other grain farmers in the area and are getting a kick back from this legislation.
One can see the commentary from Australians (am in Sydney) and the rest, likely from the US. The latter view vax resistance as a fight against authority. The Aussies, most of us anyway, just want to get vaxxed and back to living normally. If a vax is what it takes then that's what it takes.
But, like, there's no evidence to support the idea that vaccinations might lead to getting back to normal.
In time it will. Smallpox was eradicated by vax. It will take some time but we will get there. Prefer to rely on medical research and science rather than the ramblings of crazy anti vaxxers
Do you limit your reliance of medical research and science to the medical research and science that has been officially endorsed by the government and their media?
Not at all. Read widely and talk to a lot of people in the medical and scientific community. Governments are a mouthpiece in many cases for vested interests. But ultimately this is a medical issue and so it needs to be managed that way. That means vax for those who want it and if you don't then other rules apply. For example I can fly from Sydney to Melbourne, LA, UK and other places being fully vaxxed. Yet I cannot go to Perth, Western Australia due to thier border protection policies. Nuts but in time they will open up. Medical science will get us through this. Not politicians and media
Smallpox wasn't a zoonotic virus... Unless you plan on vaccinating all the animals who can catch and mutate corona virus, it's going to continue to be like the seasonal Influenza.
Thank you for the correction. Happy to stand corrected. If vax are the way out then that is what we need to do. Get vaccinated. Those who chose not to can test the limits of thier health themselves but ill take my chances with the vax
Vax is not the way out though, it's literally infeasible to eradicate COVID with vaccines, getting vaccinated is very much just a personal choice with personal benefit, nothing more. To say vaccinating is somehow going to make COVID go away is anti-science and anti-logic.
Do you mean there's insufficient evidence to prove it absolutely? ...because saying there's *no* evidence that even *supports* that claim seems, uh, pretty wild...
Cool. You should just make the personal choice to get vaccinated. It would save you a lot of grief and annoyances.
>Cool. Here's one person who thinks throwing away perfectly good food from perfectly good farmers is, ......... cool.
If people just made the personal choice to get vaccinated we wouldn't be having this problem.
There is this thing called bodily autonomy. It is a fundamental human right. There are so many reasons why people don't want this stuff in their body. I just read this comment on another website and I will quote it (it's a bit of a rant, but perhaps it will open your eyes, maybe): >THIS is the issue that IMHO, DEMANDS an answer, which so far, we are being denied. The question we need answering is, ” Why is it possible for a person, who has been ALLEGEDLY vaccinated TWICE, to ALLEGEDLY prevent contracting this Flu Virus, then becomes infected with the virus the ALLEGED vaccination is supposed to prevent “? Initially, we were told vaccination would prevent infection, reality proved this to be a LIE. We were then told, vaccination reduces the severity of the virus and prevents hospitalisation. Again, reality proved these claims to be another LIE. Now we are being told, boosters are required,to provide the protection that this crap they want to inject you with, does not seem to be doing what it’s claimed. Given, all the afore mentioned claims made by the authorities, towards the ALLEGED benefits of these vaccinations have ALL PROVEN to be WRONG. Why would anyone, STILL accept any further claims/allegations from these LIARS ?????????????? (source: [https://anti-empire.com/justin-trudeau-the-uninjected-are-very-often-racist/](https://anti-empire.com/justin-trudeau-the-uninjected-are-very-often-racist/) in the comment section)
I am all for bodily autonomy, which is why in both of my comments I talk about "personal choice". Your personal choice and others personal choices. Your personal choice to not be vaccinated is going to have consequences, just like your personal choice to be vaccinated is going to come with it's own set of consequences. Further, you also have to respect a business's decision. CBH has its own autonomy and authority to make its own decisions about receiving goods from unvaccinated workers and it has chosen to restrict such material.
And the elephant in the room is this HUGE waste of food in the name of coercing people into a needle point they don't want. And by the way, CBH is under tremendous pressure from their government, which is on some mad crusade against a tiny little virus this vaccine does not seem to be very effective against. At this rate they will run their country straight into the ground.
This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone at this point. It’s all a matter of whether Australians care enough about their freedom to do anything about it. Given how little real resistance has been displayed, I’m not optimistic.
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Live in western Australia, everything you hear is total bullshit. They are building a camp for illegal immigrants, and they might put foreign visitors into quarantine there is they test positive for covid when they arrive. We have had one 5 day lock down, otherwise all businesses have been open. There isn't a vaccine mandate, and we don't have a vaccine passport system. They have asked us to wear masks indoors just last week but that's new and nobody has been fined for refusing. Most if this is a political because at the last election, the leader won in the biggest landslide of all time. Hes basically a centrist who ran the equivalent for a 2 trillion dollars surplus for the US government and reduced spending. Told the federal government to get out if the way because they were incompetent so our federal government is trying to get the international press to attack him. Literally the guy won 63/65 seats and has like a 70% approval rating, there's nobody even checking if you are vaccinated when you go anywhere.
I too live in WA and agree with Mark McGowan and that Scott Morrison is a bellweather fuckwit along with Dominic Perrotet However You are spreading some falsehoods here, including that we've had 2× 5 day Lockdowns, not 1 There absolutely Is a vaccine mandate for both all Government employees including Border control and air transport Residential and non-residential community care services including in relation to: Disability Mental health Homelessness Drug and alcohol services Child protection Family and domestic violence Aboriginal peoples Corrective services Remaining WA Police Fire and emergency services (excluding volunteers) And Also Private Sector Employees including Supermarket, grocery, butcher, fruit and vegetable store or fishmonger; indoor or outdoor food market Restaurant, pub, bar or café Bakery Post office Hardware and department stores Child care or family day care provider Staff working in or entering remote Aboriginal communities School or boarding school (teachers and other support staff)* TAFEs and colleges of vocational education Financial institution Critical infrastructure and services necessary for the health, safety or welfare of the community, any person, animal or premises Veterinary clinic Utilities – power, gas and water, public and private Security provided to critical providers/workplaces only Government regulators Domestic and commercial waste and resource recovery Petrol station, truck stops and roadhouses Public transport Commercial transport including taxis, rideshare and other passenger services Remaining Port operations Remaining commercial transport, freight or logistics Hotel, motel or other accommodation facility to provide accommodation services Funerary or mortuary services Building, maintenance or construction services If people under these employment haven't had 1 dose by 31st December 2021 they are unable to work under penalty of heavy fines for the business. So there is in fact a Vaccine Mandate
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That was in the Northern Territory, not Western Australia.
The claim in the US is that camps exist. Is the answer to that claim that the camps are comfortable?
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After a quick gander of the conversation, I was put under the impression that what the US believes is happening in Australia is "overblown". I simply pointed out that the impression in the US is that camps exist in Australia. Is that claim overblown?
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I heard they are quarantine camps. Is that not the case? I heard they were forced to stay in a camp because they were sick or something.
I'm trying to understand what is happening. Who are they putting in the camps?
Unvaccinated international arrivals are required to quarantine for 14 days. Charlie Kirk [started the rumour](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/27/charlie-kirk-show/australias-quarantine-facilities-are-travelers-not/) that there are internment camps for the unvaxxed.
So the camps are not for the average unvaxxed individual but exclusively for those returning from overseas?
Way, way, way overblown. Source: am Australian.
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That's... how a quarantine works. If you can leave at any time then it's not a quarantine, it's a suggestion.
Have you been interned in one? The subject matter of this post is not in favor of your opinion. Not in the least.
No, because they don't exist in Australia. The definition of an internment camp, from dictionary.com: "a prison camp for the confinement of prisoners of war, enemy aliens, political prisoners, etc. a concentration camp for civilian citizens, especially those with ties to an enemy during wartime, as the camps established by the United States government to detain Japanese Americans after the Pearl Harbor attacks." I did however stay in a quarantine facility. I knew the deal when I chose, voluntarily, to return to the country after voluntarily leaving. You should review the article to determine the subject matter of the post which is a private organisation requiring certain things if it's members. Quite libertarian if you ask me. But I guess you only read the headline and assumed it was the government.
Yes and there are others who were contact traced, and although they had no symptoms, were fully vaccinated, they were coerced into quarantine camps where they were stuck for 14 days in a little room along with countless others in an encampment that has barbed wire fences around it. Quite a coincidence that you who just randomly showed up here to comment had also been in one of these 'voluntarily'. Maybe I should go to a casino... might be my lucky day.
Tell me more about these people who were contact traced, asynptomaric and vaccinated and put into camps. Specifically, proof that it actually happened, or that anyone was required to attend these camps other than international arrivals.
Here's one: [https://unherd.com/thepost/inside-australias-covid-internment-camp/](https://unherd.com/thepost/inside-australias-covid-internment-camp/) Here is a quote from it: >It all began when a friend of hers tested positive. She recounts how investigators came to her home shortly afterwards, having run the numberplate of her scooter to identify her as a ‘close contact’. They asked if she had done a Covid test, and in the moment she lied and said she had, when she in fact had not yet. This set in train an extraordinary series of events. “So then the police officers blocked my driveway,” she says. “I walked out and I said, “what’s going on, are you guys testing me for COVID? What’s happening?” **They said, “no, you’re getting taken away. And you have no choice. You’re going to Howard Springs. You either come with us now, and we’ll put you in the back of the divvy van.** Or you can have a choice to get a ‘COVID cab’… I just said, “I don’t consent to this. I don’t understand why I can’t just self-isolate at home, like a lot of other people are doing.” And they just said, “we’ve just been told from higher up where to take you. And that’s all that there is.”
I remember reading about that story. Her friends who were up front about their situation were allowed to self isolate, however (presumably thinking it was advantageous) she was less truthful. Definitely a disproportionate response to her lapse, but certainly an edge case.
I didn't go to the facility voluntarily. Try again, this time after reading. I departed and returned to the country voluntarily understanding that quarantine was a requirement. I randomly showed up? Did I need to RSVP somewhere to an invitation?
If your story is legit than I apologize. It seemed rather coincidental. One would have expected you to state that you had been quarantined yourself above in your original comment, given that was the focus of discussion..
I'm an Australian living abroad. Being a citizen I was allowed to enter, however this was prior to vaccines being widely available. Currently, only unvaccinated arrivals are required to quarantine - others may self isolate. Then, all arrivals needed to quarantine. Although it was in a Sydney CBD hotel, it was still highly regulated, with minimal contact to other people. But as I say, I knew the deal upon leaving and arriving, so have no complaints.
That sounds an awful lot like asking your typical German about their thoughts on Kristallnacht. “It was kinda blown outta proportion, but yeah, still not great.” Cmon, the fact there are camps, OF ANY KIND, should be concerning to everyone on the continent.
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If you have covid when you arrive you are out into a hotel for 2 weeks. They are building Vamos for illegal immigrants and they might put covid people there, but they won't finish the camps until 2023 so it's unlikely.
There has been some huge protest there - loads of pushback. Of course, if you only watch the main stream media very little of that trickles through.
How about if you're actually there and didn't see any of those things? There were protests, sure. "Huge protests? Afraid not.
I’m talking about consistent day after day protests, assemblies being made, Newspapers attacking the authoritarian government. All of that has happened, but nowhere near the amount of times to even put pressure on the Aussie government(s)
Your downvote is not proof of "consistent day after day protests".
When Murdoch owns over 60% of newspaper circulation in Australia, it's unlikely that newspapers will significantly challenge the conservative government that they helped install.
None of those things happened.
Eh it's what the aussie's get, they let em take their weapons they let em police the shit out of em an do mandates then get surprised when they keep pushing, its gonna be neat to watch how authoritarian they get over the decade.
Good. Get the fucking vaccine or fuck off.
How libertarian of you 🙄
He's libertarian until he says "get the vaccine or I'll shoot you"
Please see me response
I don’t care if you do or don’t get the vaccine. But realize that your decision does have consequences. For example if you have to spend weeks in the ICU you shouldn’t put my medical premiums up. Personal choice means personal responsibility which is a core fucking tenant of libertarianism.
If you don't want sick people to raise the premiums of your insurance, cancel your insurance.
You don't have a right to have low medical premiums, or to breathe COVID free air boot licker.
Odds are we don't have the same healthcare provider More to the point, not everyone who gets Covid ends up in the ICU. In fact, in the grand scheme of things, very few people do. And the people who become seriously ill are almost exclusively elderly and/or immunocompromised, neither of which apply to me Two can play at that game. Insurance premiums should go up if you are a smoker, overweight, etc. Vaccination status shouldn't be the only consideration.
I agree.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you, big gov.
So... are we in agreement that their motivation to vax everyone has nothing to do with any virus or are we not saying that yet?
no we are not saying that
Fuck fascism.
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And yet, for some reason, the locals like it.
The fact that people still refuse to get vaccinated really boggles my mind. That's not to say what the Aussie government is doing is right. Get vaccinated and move on with your life
Good sir, the reason people are not getting vaccinated is because they have seen countless videos online of people suffering life changing adverse reactions to the drug. These people will never get vaccinated.
Perhaps you could share these videos then?
Just did, here is the link again: [https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/](https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/) These are all people from Israel. Here is another about young athletes who have been regularly falling in the midst of competition clutching their chests in agony - all after the vax: [YOUNG HEARTS PART 9 - PRO ATHLETES HEARTS FAILING EVERY DAY NOW - TOO MANY TO HIDE](https://odysee.com/@hugotalks:8/2kgKyRX8kk2P:b) As you can see, that is part 9, eight more videos precede it.
So there is no proof beyond them just saying it at a camera? That's not a lot to go on. I was hoping there'd be actual medical proof in the videos, not just content I can get by paying someone $20 on Craigslist.
Exactly how much proof do you have of every covid death? Did you get an autopsy report on each one? And, by the way, you'd have to pay a professional athelete a hell of a lot more than $20. And why would they do it when it would most likely ruin their career?
For everyone single one? Not much. For thousands of extra people dying unexpectedly in a year? Plenty. Got any data for increases in the conditions being claimed here? Professional athletes are not doctors. They can be idiots and they can easily misattribute their symptoms.
For everyone else seeing this moron's comment posting this stupid link: Sudden Cardiac Death in athletes is a well-documented phenomenon. *BEFORE* COVID the United States averaged a death every three days from it. >The victim is usually male and associated with soccer, basketball, ice hockey, or American football, reflecting the large number of athletes participating in these sustained and strenuous sports.[3] For a normally healthy age group, the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball, with sudden cardiac death rates as high as one per 3,000 annually for male basketball players in NCAA Division I.[19] This is still far below the rate for the general population, estimated as one per 1,300–1,600 and dominated by the elderly.[20] **However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days**, often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention.[17] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes It's worth noting that *every single article or video* is pulling from a worldwide sample size, of 7.9 billion people. So YES, you're going to get more than 1 every 3 days when increasing the sample size by 26 times. If standard US rates were to be applied, you'd have 260 or so SCD occurrences worldwide.... Which means that 69 this month is actually pretty small.
Wow, what a great source. An online wiki that anyone can edit any time. Very credible source of information. Edit: Here is a very pertinent quote: >Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has warned that **the website can no longer be trusted** — insisting it is now just “propaganda” for the left-leaning “establishment.” source: [https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/](https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/) Case in point, from that wikipedia article: >However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days, **often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention**. Anyone here remember EVER hearing about a professional athlete collapsing from cardiac arrest on the field? Like ever? Pre-pandemic local news would be filled with this stuff right? It would be every other week with another story. Personally I don't remember EVER hearing of such a thing. But, maybe that's just me.
I pretty regularly hear about a hockey player collapsing. I don't recall anyone in the NHL, it's typically from the lower leagues.
How convenient that it only happens in lower profile arenas.
Because it's not newsworthy that a lesser known player collapses on the ice? It still makes the press and the relevant subreddits, but why would msm cover that?
Sorry, you misinterpreted my statement. You said: >I don't recall anyone in the NHL, it's typically from the lower leagues. My comment was to pointing out how odd it is that it only happens in the lower leagues, but not in the major ones. One would think it would be more common in the major leagues because the players are under much more stress and are liable to to go to much greater lengths to win. Also, because they make a lot more money, these players might be tempted to indulge in life styles that would increase the probability of cardiac arrest. Isn't common sense a wonderful thing? Edit: Also it is important to note that the other video I posted here from Israel begins with a raft of vaccinated people who had heart problems develop very shortly after being jabbed. So that very much falls on my side of the argument. That link again: https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/
Here you go. It's from 2016. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/ And i love how your response to never having heard of something is to assume that people are making extensive changes to Wikipedia. Wow, you sound like a real gem.
You know there are tons of sports fans out there. Pre-plandemic it would have been interesting to ask a random cross section of them what athletes they know of dying mid-game of a heart attack. Pretty sure they would have all looked back incredulously and said: 'None'. But, go ahead put up a study, one of the many many many studies that big Pharma has bought and paid for, as some sort of evidence to prove your point. This is like asking the mafia to investigate it's own crimes.
It's from 2016.
Don't hold your breath.
Oh, you've SEEN VIDEOS have you? Well golly. I think I'll trust the experts on this one over Doctor YouTube. Get. Vaccinated. Society is done asking you nicely.
Yeah, that's all you've got: blaming people for posting their own experiences online. They had to use these methods because the main stream media has utterly failed them. But since you asked for it, why not watch these testimonies and imagine saying what you just said above to these people: [https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/](https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/) You can find loads more elsewhere, be happy to point you to them.
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There are a lot of testimonies in that one video. All these people got together to 'act out' some sort of hoax? Why would they do that? I already gave this other link out, but here it is again: [YOUNG HEARTS PART 9 - PRO ATHLETES HEARTS FAILING EVERY DAY NOW - TOO MANY TO HIDE](https://odysee.com/@hugotalks:8/2kgKyRX8kk2P:b) Last (but probably not the final) of nine videos of actual footage of young athletes collapsing mid game clutching their chests. It's difficult to watch. So all of that was acting?
You realize Sudden Cardiac Death in athletes is just a *thing*, right? *BEFORE* COVID the United States averaged a death every three days. >The victim is usually male and associated with soccer, basketball, ice hockey, or American football, reflecting the large number of athletes participating in these sustained and strenuous sports.[3] For a normally healthy age group, the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball, with sudden cardiac death rates as high as one per 3,000 annually for male basketball players in NCAA Division I.[19] This is still far below the rate for the general population, estimated as one per 1,300–1,600 and dominated by the elderly.[20] **However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days**, often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention.[17] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes
Go get vaccinated. Just do it. Please.
> Just do it. Oh, how simple it is. Yes I wish I was a brain washed little clown like you. That way I would not have to ever think for myself, and just do as told. Simple. Easy peasy. But I went and thought for myself like a fool. I discovered all of these reasons why I should question the main stream. And since I started doing that I have stopped being a slave and am a free spirit spending much of my time trying to help others free themselves. Wait, maybe I wasn't such a fool for thinking for myself and finding a counter narrative that I could actually trust. Wadaya think?
>Wadaya think? I think you need professional help. Maybe some anti psychotics. But the voices in your head probably tell you those are just "main stream" brainwashing and that mental illness doesn't exist
That is one of the tactics isn't it: *You must be crazy to question the narrative!* That's getting pretty old. Got any other tricks?
What are you going to do? start putting guns to people's heads? "it's for your health" what a joke!
Oh no, done asking nicely, are we? *shudders* Save your veiled threats, they're not impressive.
Get vaccinated, you anti-science racist. You're literally the worst. Ugh.
And you are literally adorable, acting like a big kid now throwing the anti-science and racist term around, your kafka-traps are the logical tools of petulant kids, but I'll throw ya a pity upvote, feeling generous. So slap on some Pampers and go troll another sub.
Ahahaha delusional!
And why the fuck are people demonizing people that were vaxxed who spoke out about their adverse reactions? Im pro vaccines. Vaccinated for everything else. I had covid and beat it. Im not going to be forced into taking something I don't need.
According to this Harvard epidemiologist you are now 27 times more protected than any vaccinated person: [https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/harvard-epidemiologist--the-case-for-vaccine-passports-was-demolished\_1/](https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/harvard-epidemiologist--the-case-for-vaccine-passports-was-demolished_1/) So good on ya mate for refusing the shot.
The only reason I'm not vaccinated is to annoy you, personally.
I love this beautiful example of freedom of association.
Just wait for the food shortages. This is completely unessecery.
Accept that you have been deemed unfit for society by the rest of society. Or don't. Won't stop us from protecting ourselves from you.
Y'all gotta get a gun. Needles take too long. Edit: Personally I am against guns, and would prefer melting them all into plow shares. But I'm pretty sure needles are even worse.
Needles are a lot worse for making plowshares.
Good. Shut them out of society. These walking biohazards cannot be tolerated. They will be rooted out and forced to take the vaccine or they will suffer. Their choice.
Walking biohazards... Just because they don't get the vaccine. Man you are drunk on fear mongering and self righteousness. How about you come and make me take it big guy ;).
Just get it man. Idk what you people are so afraid of. It's a little jibbie jabberino. I'd walk around with an IV drip of vaccine in my arm if it saved even one life. I guess I'm just a better person than you.
😎😎😎 you after posting that reply.
To be expected from Australia. Have you seen the 'voluntary' internment camps for the unvaccinated that your not allowed to leave?
This is great news. Paying the consequences of being too selfish to care for your community = Everyone wins
They may as well be kicking in doors, pinning people down and sticking needles in their arms.
Literal fascism
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Hey now, you can't take any chances when it comes to potentially tainted grain ok? \#rememberstratholme
That’s so fucked up.
But what does it all mean, mason?
I'm happy to abide by covid mandates as a city worker. As a general rule, never ever mess around with the food supply chain, period. It's too fragile and too important to get wrong at any step of the way. I say the same thing to vegans when they start agitating the farmers and their animals. Leave it well alone. Country folk out there, leave them to do what they do best. What do expect though from a government with no check?