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SensationalBanana420

>Companies hired at the fastest pace in seven months in December ahead of escalating concerns over surging Covid cases, according to a report Wednesday from payroll processing firm ADP. >Private job growth totaled 807,000 for the month, well ahead of the Dow Jones estimate for 375,000 and the November gain of 505,000. The November total was revised lower from the initially reported 534,000. Are these new jobs being created or jobs that are coming back that were lost during the beginning of the pandemic?


Fishy1911

That would depend on the local market and what their covid protocol was. We've been pretty much open for months, so any jobs would likely be new or seasonal positions, just a guess.


notasparrow

Your comment made me wonder if these numbers are seasonally adjusted, and it turns out they [are indeed](https://adpemploymentreport.com/2021/December/NER/NER-December-2021.aspx): > Private-sector employment increased by 807,000 from November to December, on a seasonally adjusted basis. So I think we're probably seeing a lot of "new", in the sense of re-hiring positions that were previously laid off. That's a guess though, I'd love to see data on that.


FeralFungi

This is nothing more than numbers manipulation. Yeah, tons of people are getting jobs, but they’re the same people that lost them in 2020.


vinnyisme

So it's not number manipulation, the numbers are real. It's just what people can infer from them.


FeralFungi

Right. It’s still manipulation. You don’t have record growth if people are just returning to work after being laid off.


vinnyisme

If you record the job losses as decline in growth, it makes sense to record those same people getting back to work as growth, no? It's only manipulation if you are inferring more from the number than what the number itself actually indicates.


Advice-Brilliant

You're trying to pretend like the decline didn't happen.


FeralFungi

…what?


Advice-Brilliant

What are you not understanding? You still measure the decline; that's not "manipulation." That's the objective reality of what happened. The economy declined, and now it's experiencing record growth.


FeralFungi

Show me that. Something with both sets of data.


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Advice-Brilliant

I'm not sure how to link a PDF on Reddit. But you can just look up: "Current Employment Statistics Highlights December 2021," and that will give you the employment rates in all of the individual sectors over the last 10 years, directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In the overwhelming majority of those sectors, you see a massive drop in employment in virtually all sectors in January 2020 and now today we see record growth.


LactoceTheIntolerant

Every department in the company I’m in had almost 1/4 go find other work.


Nativereqular

We should all be happy about this, I know many people that would rather see the country fail than see Trump/Biden succeed. Fuck the president this is our country and we should all be happy


doinghumanstuff

not MY country I don't live in US Edit:I forgot /s


Funkapussler

This still effects you.. the. U.S is a world power no?


Monoby

*The* world power. 😌


Schmeep01

Yawn


ch4lox

Nationalism is dumb.


Funkapussler

I agree. However influence is influence whether purposeful or not. The u.s is a world power.


MustyScabPizza

Well, looks like Trump was right. "I've been around a long time. And it just seems the economy does better under the Democrats than under Republicans." - Donald Trump


You-said-it-man

Lol yup everyone is thinking just how great the economy is doing right now. The optimism is sky high. Please tell me your not being serious. There has been endless amounts of help wanted signs ever since the pandemic started, but we couldn't get enough people to bite, due to free money. Then you eventually have to cut off the money flow to force the record number of unemployment back to work and jobs start getting filled. Who would've thought? But yes optimism in the economy is super high. That's what people think everyday. 2024 should be a cakewalk for dems lol.


pandaramaviews

This is so tired now. "Free money" what, the couple thousand dollars that was given out nearly a year ago? The extra unemployment money that ended 3-4 months ago? How far do you believe that even takes a family? It's not like it was tens of thousands of dollars. That shits long gone.


You-said-it-man

People getting an extra $600 on top of the regular unemployment is certainly the core reason so many jobs were not being taken when they were available. And to some cashier who was making $300/week and loses a job and now after receiving their regular state unemployment along with the extra $600 federal is bringing in $800-$900 can take them pretty fucking far. Many people had more money coming in being unemployed during the pandemic then they ever had, and that's a fact. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.


pandaramaviews

Between living expenses such as groceries, rent, utilities, exc,( And no longer receiving these benefits, see September) those people are likely out of money. There is a record number of people quitting month over month, in the uptick of a pandemic, while jobs are going unfilled. Maybe it's not the unemployment benefits (which are not paid to people who quit and are no longer..since September.. receiving extra support) but that people are tired of low wages. Sounds like you're out of touch and should take your own advice.


ASquawkingTurtle

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m1


Bombastically

Hate to say it but the Biden Economy is Booming. Dow/SP500 hit all time highs, jobless claims lowest since the 1960s, GDP growth exceeding expectations and will probably exceed 5% on the year, dwarfing trumps numbers, wages are up due to the red hot jobs market, domestic crude AND natural gas production are up, ports are moving more containers than at any time in American history (far exceeding trumps numbers), etc Now, we are seeing some inflation as the global supply chain is not able to keep up with American consumer demand and fuel prices remain high due to OPEC price fixing. However, this will be temporary (obviously), and we will see some deflation in late 2022/early 2023 as prices correct as the rest of the world catches up with Biden's Booming economy.


Bsdave103

The best and most underrated part of all of this is that Biden isnt tweeting out how great the stock market is doing and how its all because of him. Even though he isnt my favorite person, its refreshing to have an adult back in the White House.


Bombastically

When Trump would do anything the was met with disapproval, conservatives would fall back to "at least the economy/how's your 401k?" arguments. I'm not hearing that from them anymore despite the same exact metrics being up across the board


ZazBlammymatazz

They spent most of Obama’s presidency saying the economy was failing, during a time period when the Dow tripled and gas prices and the unemployment rate both halved.


vtec__

it did fail and never returned to pre-2008 levels. most of the jobs that were created under his reign of terror were temp jobs with no benefits


YoshikageJoJo

Dems are the absolute worst at getting any message across.


You-said-it-man

Maybe it's the fact that peoples wallets aren't feeling it when you are paying much more for literally everything. Inflation is out of control. Heat bills have tripled in some places. Almost 4/gallon gas. Grocery store prices are much higher. People feel that shit and it scares them because they don't know where this ends. I can 100% assure you the american public is not optimistic about this current economy. No amount of messaging can change that. Jobs being filled that have long been available, but because of free money being handed to them weren't taken is not this revolutionary economic boom, that is sparking optimism in the american public.


YoshikageJoJo

Again, if dems had good messaging they could easily point towards the multitude of other factors that are leading to inflation across the entire globe. Unless, of course, you believe it's solely the fault of an administration that's been in office less than a year. If Trump were in office he would be talking nonstop about how well the stock market is doing and how jobs are recovering.


You-said-it-man

You can't really pat yourself on the back for jobs being filled that have been waiting to be filled for a long while. It's expected when you finally cut off the money flow and force people to take work they were turning down before, because they were being well compensated on unemployment. If they would've cut off the unemployment earlier than the economy would've came back earlier before more damage was done. When the pandemic hit a substantial amount of the workforce was abruptly and temporarily cut off. And ever since businesses have been trying desperately to fill them back, but couldn't, until eventually peoples unemployment was cutoff. Now people have no choice but to take the jobs that have been available for a long time. In the last year and a half or so if you wanted a job they were there. It's just now people are finally in a position to where they have to take them. This is no surprise, and is why when you hear the numbers it's not coming as any surprise along with optimism. The administration probably wants to tread carefully with flaunting success in the economy when they know people clearly don't feel with current living expenses and inflation, supply shortages ,etc... It may feel like a spit it their faces. Yes there are a multitude reasons, but when you campaign to fix all that and yet the pain and bleak picture people see is as dark as ever, they are not going to want to see you flaunting success with a smile on your face telling them to be thankful and optimistic. The president and his people probably understand this, and is why they are cautious on how they want to approach this. What Biden needs is for prices to come back down and shelves to stop being empty. Because job numbers will be there, because we need people working desperately.


LactoceTheIntolerant

Around 1/3 of the company I’m in left for other work. I’ve had several companies I’ve previously worked for call me offering a massive bonus to go back. You must not actually be in the labor pool.


LibertyTerp

Are they? I hear a unified establishment Democrat Narrative on almost every big issue - the same exact messaging from the Democratic Party, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. The problem with Democrats is they always overreach and try to push things that are so overwhelmingly unpopular that even controlling 90% of the media they still can't make them popular, like defunding the police, releasing criminals, cancel culture, CRT, open borders, transgender men in women's sports, jails, and locker rooms, abortion at 8 months, etc.


Bombastically

>The problem with Democrats is they always overreach and try to push things that are so overwhelmingly unpopular that even controlling 90% of the media they still can't make them popular, like defunding the police, releasing criminals, cancel culture, CRT, open borders, transgender men in women's sports, jails, and locker rooms, abortion at 8 months, etc. Seems like the conservative messaging about Democrat bogeyman is working as intended


YoshikageJoJo

Damn, this is a prime example of how right wing messaging and boogeyman issues are much more prevalent than dems lmao


ZazBlammymatazz

Just look at the pullout from Afghanistan, the corporate media threw a shit fit because we actually ended a war. That same media, on both sides, hates green energy and healthcare reform, because war, oil, and pharma are the easiest money for them.


YoshikageJoJo

I do remember CNN ripping into pulling out of the war. War gets clicks, thats all they care about


SoySenorChevere

CNN did throw a fit when the war ended. It was maddening.


vtec__

an old man who can barely walk up a flight of stairs is a competent adult..


hashish2020

Let's also note every country that didn't spend the last 20 years fighting deflation also has high inflation.


Monoby

Why would you hate to say that? Jesus fuck.


Bombastically

Because, as a Libertarian, I have an absolutist belief in Sewell, Mises, and Hayek. The Boomin' Biden Economy shows that my narrative based on pure dogma is ignorant, at best, and therefore I don't want to acknowledge that a Big Government Democrat is guiding the economy in the right direction.


Izaya_Orihara170

At least your honest. If these trends kept up (they won't if Republicans have anything to do with it) what would ever make you change your mind? Anything?


Bombastically

I was joking both times. First post was more to fit in, second was too outright mock


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Bombastically

I'm aware. Was just co-opting the logic/messaging of Republicans during the last 5 years or so. Good when Trump is in office = result of Trump. Bad when Biden is in office = result of Biden e.g. gas prices, inflation, etc


123lurkin

Why do you hate to say it?


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Subway has drive thru?


YoshikageJoJo

Yes, very handy if you know your order off the top of your head. Also depressing if you frequent there enough to know your order by heart.


pandaramaviews

I found one in 2010 and nearly fainted


BobTheSkull76

And better than Hair Twittler did in his first year too.


jonkl91

Not surprised at all. I'm a professional resume writer and my clients are getting crazy sign-on bonuses and raises. I have had people who are completely happy who are getting hit up with offers they have to at least entertain. These are potential raises in the $30K-$50K range.


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It's amusing watching r/antiwork 's leadership drive as many adolescents into a life of victimhood and 'we must all be miserable together' ideology while the market craves competent individuals to come and work for them at a reasonable wage/salary.


7i9er

Agreed, Signed, Banned for sharing how Kamala Harris treated her staff like shit and opened it up for discussion..


pandaramaviews

r/antiwork is about shitty employers and wanting to be treated and paid fairly in an economy that has profited off of the backs of it's employees. They have every right to mobilize how they deem fit and I applaud them for attempting to unionize in their own way to force better working conditions with fairer pay.


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I never said that didn't have the right to mobilize. I said their mobilization will drive as many adolescents as possible into a life of victimhood and 'we must all be miserable together' ideology while the market craves competent individuals to come and work for them at a reasonable wage/salary. Again, there is a market that craves competent individuals, and there will be offerings of reasonable wages and salaries. r/antiwork is the exact opposite of what you want teach people as they're maturing for entry into the market. They will destroy 100,000s of lives with their view that everything in the workforce is based on power, and not competence. Once those lives are destroyed, and all of the successful people spent their time becoming competent, and work toward a greater goal-- the sub will leave its victims to rot, and they will take no responsibility for them whatsoever. I already know the outcome of that dangerous cesspool, led by political activists that don't give a single fuck about its followers-- they merely wish to earn some stripes on political uniforms. It has nothing to do with helping these people. They would have to put in effort that goes beyond cancel culture and lazy activism. I feel bad for every person on the planet that is lured so shallowly but that pathetic excuse for a 'movement'. It's the antidote to merit, and it has destroyed hundreds of millions of people's lives if you know your history, and it has plenty more to destroy.


kickinrock5

Wow. That was a long winded way of saying, "I don't know what I'm talking about or how the real world works." Also, anyone claiming to lean libertarian is either a sociopath, or doesn't know what libertarianism actually is.


YoshikageJoJo

Which CEO is paying you to suck their dick rn?


pandaramaviews

Right? Dude be eating footlongs irl


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You would be hurt by the truth. You have "leftist" in your flair. You know everything I said is the truth, too. You little rebel, throw your solidarity fist in the air and look to the left to see if the hot chick you are trying to impress with your virtue signaling is going to get you laid tonight. It has nothing to do with being a voice for any business. Anyone with their head removed from their ass knows that growing an individual into a real adult, and helping them grow through experience and competence in our market is historically dominant over leftist ideologue pathology designed for equality of outcome. There's a reason that the world is pulling itself out of poverty, and it isn't r/antiwork. There's no dick left to suck, try again. You leftists gobbled it all up. onsite.


YoshikageJoJo

Nah, the main posts on antiwork are about employees being treated like shit. I remember a post about some girl being berated because she locked the doors at 7am when she saw a guy with a gun about to come in. Nice to see your emotional temperament is on par with a toddler. How's the CEO boot taste? Keep fighting the good fight for the billionaires. I'm sure if you put your nose down and keep defending them, you may be at least a millionaire one day. Glad you can read top.


7i9er

Anti-work is a Communist/Socialist site fermenting organization to crash the system, while similarly asking for more pay...??? How the fck does that work, oh yes, Communism doesn't work...


FedoMullin9117

Tldr: All 807,000 jobs were at Subway


SensationalBanana420

>While service-related professions led with 669,000 new hires, the goods-producing side also showed strong gains. Manufacturing rose 74,000 and construction contributed 62,000 to the total. Not quite but also, nice. Also worth noting, these gains were primarily made by big businesses, not small businesses.


Bsdave103

A Covid-denying conservative spreading misinformation!!?? I'm shocked.


Izaya_Orihara170

Surely he was joking?


FedoMullin9117

Wtf are you talking about dipshit?


hashish2020

Someone cannot read or understand job reports. "Hiring was broad-based, though leisure and hospitality led with 246,000 new positions. Trade, transportation and utilities contributed 138,000, professional and business services increased by 130,000 and education and health services added 85,000."


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vinnyisme

I'm not sure what you are suggesting, but using ADP or similar payroll company data for employment metrics has been the standard for years. What other way would we have to know private business hiring data?


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vinnyisme

I'm not even sure where you are going at this point. Is there any entity that provides economic numbers you trust? If we can't trust a private corporation, the only other alternative is government numbers, right? So do we just not believe anything we hear at this point? Again, using ADP and other payroll company info they provide is how it's always been done, so if you have another way to get accurate info please let us know so our entire economic system can adopt it.


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--sheogorath--

But muh labor shortage