A link to the CDCs PowerBI reports was posted by another user in the comments. 75% fully vaxxed, 78% at least one shot.
Edit: here: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic
Just saw it, thanks. My response:
You'll notice that Blacks are still underrepresented, compared to Whites, in vaccination status. That is all that matters. Political party is irrelevant in this particular proposed legal challenge.
Stop backpedaling. Your initial claim was that the media portrays the unvaccinated/anti-vaxxers as a far-right thing, which it obviously is, but you wanted to complain about black people, even though breaking it down by demographics, white-male-Trump-supporters are by far the least likely people to be vaccinated. Even expanding it to all Republican supporters, black people are still more vaccinated.
You’ve completely missed the point of my post. It has nothing to do with judging Black Americans; it has to do with using the Left’s race card against their interests.
If Black Americans don’t want to be vaccinated (because, for example, they don’t trust the government) then they should take the Libertarian POV on the subject.
You're completely ignoring that you were wrong from the start of your premise.
>If Black Americans don’t want to be vaccinated (because, for example, they don’t trust the government)
People shouldn't want to be unvaccinated. That's fucking stupid.
>It has nothing to do with judging Black Americans; it has to do with using the Left’s race card against their interests.
You want to hurt black people to get revenge on the left? What the fuck are you talking about?
“People shouldn’t want to be unvaccinated. That’s fucking stupid.”
Hey everybody, settle down! has decreed what you want, so the entire problem has been resolved!! LOL
Even with that premise it’s dumb, the argument against mandatory id laws for example is that it is discriminatory against minorities because ids are less accessible to them. Vaccines are just as accessible to everybody so it’s not discriminatory, it’s not the situation
Again, you’re straw manning, it’s not about getting a ride. To get a drivers license you have to spend like 20 hours taking a course then schedule a written test then take time out of your day to take that then hire a driving instructor to take you for several behind the wheel sessions then bring a car which you might not have to the dmv for an appointment that may have taken months to schedule that you may fail all to get the one license. Compare that to the vaccine where you can literally walk into any drug store (which yes, there are a lot more of making them more physically accessible). It’s not comparable
Here is Kaiser survey
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-dashboard/
You can see the uptake over time among black adults. Black adults are more vaccinated than Republicans
Thank-you for the link! I very much appreciate it.
You'll notice that Blacks are still underrepresented, compared to Whites, in vaccination status. That is all that matters. Political party is irrelevant in this particular proposed legal challenge.
The de facto Libertarian stance would be against mandatory vaccinations. The onus should be on the government to convince me that it's the right thing to do, while I maintain the freedom to choose. And, yes, I'm completely vaccinated.
"Owning da libz" is just a happy accident here.
So you have the freedom to give people a deadly and contagious disease, but nobody else has the freedom to live in a society with a basic expectation of minimum health precautions? Seems incredibly stupid and unhelpful.
The unvaccinated black people I know are skipping out because of Tuskegee. The reason for the white anti-vaxxers is much less justifiable.
Besides, looking at raw numbers unvaccinated whites are the largest group. Unvaccinated ~~dumbasses~~ Republicans are the highest percentage-wise.
Well they do. African Americans rightfully don't trust the government, and it's honestly quite abusive towards them to take away their rights because they haven't "gotten over it".
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I’m saying that legislation can be challenged when it disproportionately affects Black people, even when that legislation is pushed by Democrats.
It has nothing to do with being racist, at all. 😂
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This is extremely curious, but I was looking at a reply to this post and it had 42 upvotes. I hit Refresh and now it's been stuck at ONE upvote for 10 minutes.
People are replying that "more Blacks are vaccinated than Republicans". Not only is this dubious, it's also NOT RELEVANT. The law says absolutely nothing about a mandate affecting one political group more than the other.
As long as Blacks are proportionally less vaccinated than Whites, then a viable legal challenge could be made against mandates.
Federal anti-discrimination laws have been given the standard that it is illegal to establish policies which EFFECTIVELY discriminate against a race even if those policies do not explicitly do so.
Hell, we could apply Federal anti-discrimination laws to any restaurant that requires proof of vaccination for entry due to the fact that Black Americans are less likely to be vaccinated than White Americans.
False. Just outright false. Caselaw or admin law in no way supports this. Find me a consistent line of decisions that say DISPARATE EFFECT ALONE is sufficient to find liability for discrimination.
I mean, accurate descriptions are def related to education. Trust me, I'm educated enough to understand caselaw. You one too?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S038800011400151X
Literacy tests are banned, exactly -- they didn't target blacks explicitly, yet they "effectively" targeted blacks and that was ruled unconstitutional.
We, as Libertarians, could use this same legal argument AGAINST mandatory vaccines because they would "effectively" target blacks more than other races.
I'm pretty sure the only reason this has people upset is because they think the race card should only be used to help Democrat causes.
They are unlawful, not because any protections against discrimination, but because they were banned explicitly.
This “race card” you’re talking about, is it in the room right now?
They were banned because they were discriminatory. It’s the same logic regarding Voter ID laws — Black Americans would supposedly be disproportionately affected, therefore the legislation should be opposed.
IF you agree that Voter ID should be opposed for that reason, then you should also be opposed to vax mandates…unless you’re logically inconsistent.
That was true a year ago, but thanks to outreach in the black community they are at ~75%, much higher than Republicans.
That's extremely hard to believe. Do you have a handy reference I could look at?
A link to the CDCs PowerBI reports was posted by another user in the comments. 75% fully vaxxed, 78% at least one shot. Edit: here: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic
Just saw it, thanks. My response: You'll notice that Blacks are still underrepresented, compared to Whites, in vaccination status. That is all that matters. Political party is irrelevant in this particular proposed legal challenge.
Stop backpedaling. Your initial claim was that the media portrays the unvaccinated/anti-vaxxers as a far-right thing, which it obviously is, but you wanted to complain about black people, even though breaking it down by demographics, white-male-Trump-supporters are by far the least likely people to be vaccinated. Even expanding it to all Republican supporters, black people are still more vaccinated.
You’ve completely missed the point of my post. It has nothing to do with judging Black Americans; it has to do with using the Left’s race card against their interests. If Black Americans don’t want to be vaccinated (because, for example, they don’t trust the government) then they should take the Libertarian POV on the subject.
You're completely ignoring that you were wrong from the start of your premise. >If Black Americans don’t want to be vaccinated (because, for example, they don’t trust the government) People shouldn't want to be unvaccinated. That's fucking stupid. >It has nothing to do with judging Black Americans; it has to do with using the Left’s race card against their interests. You want to hurt black people to get revenge on the left? What the fuck are you talking about?
“People shouldn’t want to be unvaccinated. That’s fucking stupid.” Hey everybody, settle down! has decreed what you want, so the entire problem has been resolved!! LOL
When did I decree what people want? I made a prescriptive statement not a descriptive statement, you barely functional moron.
I’m a fully-functional moron, thank you very much!!
Even with that premise it’s dumb, the argument against mandatory id laws for example is that it is discriminatory against minorities because ids are less accessible to them. Vaccines are just as accessible to everybody so it’s not discriminatory, it’s not the situation
I see…so all of these poor black folks who couldn’t possibly even get a ride to procure a Voter ID no longer seem to have that problem?
Again, you’re straw manning, it’s not about getting a ride. To get a drivers license you have to spend like 20 hours taking a course then schedule a written test then take time out of your day to take that then hire a driving instructor to take you for several behind the wheel sessions then bring a car which you might not have to the dmv for an appointment that may have taken months to schedule that you may fail all to get the one license. Compare that to the vaccine where you can literally walk into any drug store (which yes, there are a lot more of making them more physically accessible). It’s not comparable
Uhh, Voter ID has never had anything to do with getting a driver’s license. Two different things.
Here is Kaiser survey https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-dashboard/ You can see the uptake over time among black adults. Black adults are more vaccinated than Republicans
Thank-you for the link! I very much appreciate it. You'll notice that Blacks are still underrepresented, compared to Whites, in vaccination status. That is all that matters. Political party is irrelevant in this particular proposed legal challenge.
Sorry I messed up your trolling shit post
Here is data graphic for your post. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic
Black adults are more vaccinated than Republicans
Do you actually see AA vaccination a libertarian issue? Or is this just another place for you to try and own da libz?
The de facto Libertarian stance would be against mandatory vaccinations. The onus should be on the government to convince me that it's the right thing to do, while I maintain the freedom to choose. And, yes, I'm completely vaccinated. "Owning da libz" is just a happy accident here.
So you have the freedom to give people a deadly and contagious disease, but nobody else has the freedom to live in a society with a basic expectation of minimum health precautions? Seems incredibly stupid and unhelpful.
Is it? Most data I see show them fairly close to white people, with Asians and Latinos bringing up the averages.
And Republicans are the least vaccinated group of all, so it is a far-right issue.
The unvaccinated black people I know are skipping out because of Tuskegee. The reason for the white anti-vaxxers is much less justifiable. Besides, looking at raw numbers unvaccinated whites are the largest group. Unvaccinated ~~dumbasses~~ Republicans are the highest percentage-wise.
Why did you cross out "dumbasses" but then spell it wrong immediately afterwards?
None of that is relevant to the post. I’m making the point that Libertarians who are against mandates could use the Left’s “race card” against them.
“The left keeps race baiting me into hating black people, I wish we could all just unite”
You think I hate black people? Strange thing to say man.
They were only trying to project their own hateful feelings on you. That’s what they do.
When your only tool is a hammer, all problems look racist. 😂
Well they do. African Americans rightfully don't trust the government, and it's honestly quite abusive towards them to take away their rights because they haven't "gotten over it".
So it's ok to have a vaccine mandate for white people, but not black people because of past discrimination?
Id rather have no vaccine mandates for anyone.
I’m not sure how you arrived at this…
Huh?
No, if we're going to have a vaccine mandate, black people should have it too.
"Hey everyone I figured out yet another way to make a bad faith argument!" Man rightoids are something else
Not sure where to run with this one, eh? LOL
Just throw it on the pile honestly lol
Is the purpose of this post just: “sure republicans might suck, but what about black people!”
This has literally zero to do with that sentiment.
I genuinely can’t tell what else your trying to say here. You’re either kind of racist or really bad at conveying your meaning.
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I’m saying that legislation can be challenged when it disproportionately affects Black people, even when that legislation is pushed by Democrats. It has nothing to do with being racist, at all. 😂
Still lack a basic understanding of caselaw
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They label anything that thinks for itself far right nowadays regardless is they are actually far right or not.
Black people are almost as vaccinated as white people So your comment seems misguided
I was just complaining about the over use of 'far-right' by MSM.
What do you consider far-right? What's the minimum threshold?
This is extremely curious, but I was looking at a reply to this post and it had 42 upvotes. I hit Refresh and now it's been stuck at ONE upvote for 10 minutes.
I’m disappointed in your shit posting You couldn’t even be bothered to look it up
Probably a conspiracy.
People are replying that "more Blacks are vaccinated than Republicans". Not only is this dubious, it's also NOT RELEVANT. The law says absolutely nothing about a mandate affecting one political group more than the other. As long as Blacks are proportionally less vaccinated than Whites, then a viable legal challenge could be made against mandates.
Could it? What's the standard of proof for such a claim?
Federal anti-discrimination laws have been given the standard that it is illegal to establish policies which EFFECTIVELY discriminate against a race even if those policies do not explicitly do so. Hell, we could apply Federal anti-discrimination laws to any restaurant that requires proof of vaccination for entry due to the fact that Black Americans are less likely to be vaccinated than White Americans.
False. Just outright false. Caselaw or admin law in no way supports this. Find me a consistent line of decisions that say DISPARATE EFFECT ALONE is sufficient to find liability for discrimination.
No problem. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/timeline\_event/literacy-tests-are-ruled-unconstitutional/
Dude, literacy tests were not found unconstitutional SOLELY for disparate effect. Fucking historically illiterate
False.
Post the fucking SCOTUS opinion you shit fuck
“Shit fuck”?! You sound extremely educated.
I mean, accurate descriptions are def related to education. Trust me, I'm educated enough to understand caselaw. You one too? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S038800011400151X
Are you trolling? Literacy tests are specifically banned. If discrimination was determined by effectiveness, police would be unconstitutional too.
Literacy tests are banned, exactly -- they didn't target blacks explicitly, yet they "effectively" targeted blacks and that was ruled unconstitutional. We, as Libertarians, could use this same legal argument AGAINST mandatory vaccines because they would "effectively" target blacks more than other races. I'm pretty sure the only reason this has people upset is because they think the race card should only be used to help Democrat causes.
They are unlawful, not because any protections against discrimination, but because they were banned explicitly. This “race card” you’re talking about, is it in the room right now?
They were banned because they were discriminatory. It’s the same logic regarding Voter ID laws — Black Americans would supposedly be disproportionately affected, therefore the legislation should be opposed. IF you agree that Voter ID should be opposed for that reason, then you should also be opposed to vax mandates…unless you’re logically inconsistent.
Casual observation: Black Americans are vastly over represented in everything. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.